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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Hi from the Salvation Army. You're listening to Words of Life.

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Speaker 3: These are the words of the Life.

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Speaker 4: Hey, and welcome back to Words of Life.

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 4: We're continuing with part three of a four part conversation

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Speaker 4: with some members of the Salvation Army's Southern Staff Band.

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Speaker 4: In October of last year, they had a chance to

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Speaker 4: spend ten days in South Africa, leading worship services and

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Speaker 4: touring Salvation Army facilities in the area. In this episode,

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Speaker 4: the team reflects some moments during this trip that humbled

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Speaker 4: them in ways they hadn't experienced before. Learn more about

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Speaker 4: Salvation Army music ministries at USS Music and Arts dot org.

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Speaker 2: But then there's more. You go to a camp. What

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Speaker 2: was the camp about? What was happening out there?

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Speaker 5: The camp is really the centerpiece of the trip. I

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Speaker 5: don't know how it all came together as to the planning,

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Speaker 5: but we were there for at least half, if not

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Speaker 5: more than half of our trip. We spent out of

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Speaker 5: the camp. And the Sava Charmi does not have a

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Speaker 5: camp in America. In our territory, every division has a

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Speaker 5: camp that the satvas Charmi owns. That is not the

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Speaker 5: case in South Africa. This is for their Southern Africa territory.

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Speaker 5: They haven't had a camp in a long time, and

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Speaker 5: that was one of the things that was told to

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Speaker 5: us ahead of time. But you can also feel it.

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Speaker 5: Everyone was very, very eager to be gathering. And I

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Speaker 5: don't know about you guys, that's new because for us

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Speaker 5: it's always been there, right. I think we're all products

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Speaker 5: of camps. I know we are actually sitting around this table,

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Speaker 5: and to have that be a special thing, it's always

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Speaker 5: a special thing. But they had to really work hard

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Speaker 5: to get to this camp. Like there was fundraising, there

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Speaker 5: was travel, there was all kinds of things that people

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Speaker 5: had to do just to be there, and that kind

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Speaker 5: of permeated at all where people really wanted to be

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Speaker 5: there and I mean more intentional about being there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a couple of kids that took twenty

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Speaker 6: hour bus rides from Cape Town or somebody from Namimbia

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Speaker 6: that like took like a twenty seven hour like drive

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Speaker 6: to hear these stories or nuts, like they like absolutely

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Speaker 6: crazy stuff where they're taking public transportation to get to

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Speaker 6: this camp. And it's not obviously it's not the same

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Speaker 6: as it is here in the States, but it was

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Speaker 6: the dedication of even saying that I'm going to spend

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Speaker 6: some of my last to come to this camp that

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Speaker 6: you know, was modest in the stuff that they had,

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Speaker 6: Like they were sharing bathrooms, like in sleeping quarters that

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Speaker 6: were not necessarily the best, but they all had spirit

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Speaker 6: of we're going to do this because we haven't done it.

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Speaker 6: And I think it was a decade I think it

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Speaker 6: was twenty fifteen or so the last time they had

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Speaker 6: a music camp in the South Africa territory. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: like it. It was incredible. It was incredible to see

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Speaker 6: all the young people that were there, and even people

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Speaker 6: who were kind of once removed from the Army but

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Speaker 6: heard about what was happening. But then we're coming back

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Speaker 6: into the Army's fold because of what they knew, what

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Speaker 6: they were expecting from us.

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Speaker 4: Hey, you're listening to the Salvation Army's words of life.

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Speaker 4: We're going to take a quick bad break and we'll

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Speaker 4: be right back.

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Speaker 2: But you all would have been teaching and preparing for

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Speaker 2: like an end of the week festival kind of thing

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Speaker 2: and maybe giving them a concert while you're there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you're also eating amongst the masses. I heard an

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Speaker 2: incredible story about that as well. Tell me a little

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the word I would use is feeling

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Speaker 5: convicted by it, and I don't mean that negatively. Like

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Speaker 5: Bethany said earlier, the hospitality for us was great the

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Speaker 5: entire time, and they really rolled the red carpet out

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Speaker 5: for us, and that manifested in meals of the camp

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Speaker 5: where they just gave us plates and we were eating

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Speaker 5: no complaining about that. That's just what they did. And

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Speaker 5: having utensils. People eating with their hands. Yeah, and without

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Speaker 5: any complaint, without any negativity towards it. But it was

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Speaker 5: a reminder of the situation. And again, like to that

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Speaker 5: word that I'm probably get eat too many times, but

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Speaker 5: the joy is still there, it doesn't go away. That

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Speaker 5: was moving for me throughout. That realization really kind of

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Speaker 5: hit you right in the middle of the chest, in

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Speaker 5: my opinion, and it stuck with me and will stick

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Speaker 6: Like I mean, I was completely emotional when I saw

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Speaker 6: or his bowl and his spoon to like one of

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Speaker 7: Like it took us a couple of days to see

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Speaker 7: that because of that hospitality, they would not eat until

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Speaker 7: we had eaten. Yes, they would wait until everyone of

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Speaker 7: the band went through the line. And so you know,

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Speaker 7: we took the plate they gave us that thank you.

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Speaker 7: By the way, the food was phenomenal. It was all

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Speaker 7: home cooked and these massive pots and it was this

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Speaker 7: concoction of stews and meats and squash and anyway, it

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Speaker 1: They had a team of women.

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Speaker 7: They must have spent all day in the kitchen, but

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Speaker 7: eat and then they'd say, okay, well, now the next

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Speaker 7: people are coming through, and we didn't move.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have seats, and.

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Speaker 7: They were just patient like they never mentioned anything, They

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Speaker 1: It was never this thing.

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Speaker 7: We slowly had to come to this realization that oh,

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Speaker 1: So it did take us a couple of meals.

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Speaker 7: To see this, this switch that happened because they would

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Speaker 1: Not have to see them or touch them.

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Speaker 7: But if you sat around and watched, whenever the people

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Speaker 1: They would go wash their plate in their cup and

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Speaker 7: And then they'd go put it back in their cabin,

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Speaker 7: but it was just such a humble way of serving

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Speaker 7: us so much more about true humility and true hospitality.

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Speaker 1: It was just a powerful realization for all of.

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Speaker 4: Us pray that you're enjoying and being blessed by this conversation.

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Speaker 4: We're going to take one more advrek and we'll be

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Speaker 4: right back.

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Speaker 1: Can I talk about their cabins.

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Speaker 7: We did not stay on camp, so we weren't in this,

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Speaker 7: but again an ongoing realization throughout the week as we're

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Speaker 7: building relationships with people and talking more and they're showing

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Speaker 7: us their rooms.

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Speaker 1: And all that.

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Speaker 7: All of the cabins were spaced around camp, and camp

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Speaker 7: was built into the landscape, so it's gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: There's beautiful trees and plants and these really loud birds

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Speaker 7: It was just this beautiful, lush landscape at this camp.

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Speaker 7: There were these steps that were so steep, I mean

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Speaker 7: But there's cabins built into the steps, and then there's

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Speaker 7: So these kids are squished in these small spaces up

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Speaker 7: as many people there as possible. And there's no bathrooms

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Speaker 7: have one hundred. Never once complained about I never heard

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Speaker 1: There was never a complaint.

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Speaker 7: It was just the slow realization of where it was

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Speaker 6: So Yeah, at the camp, it was set up like

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Speaker 6: a normal music camp like we do here in the state.

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Speaker 6: There were majors like band major. There was a vocal major,

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Speaker 7: It is a glorious, beautiful, wonderful percussive instrument with ribbons.

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Speaker 7: It's all about the ribbons, really, yeah, and it's something

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Speaker 7: we use in the Salvation Army to praise with the matures. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's like a tambourine with timbrels, so it's got like

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Speaker 7: they call it Salvation Army cheerleaders in some way, but

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Speaker 7: they take their timbrels very seriously.

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Speaker 1: In South Africa, I definitely do. It's great.

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Speaker 6: So there were brass majors as well, and I helped

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Speaker 6: actually led a jazz elective, which was awesome, so good.

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Speaker 6: It got bigger every day, which was weird because I

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Speaker 6: was wonder where all these kids were coming from. But

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Speaker 6: cool to see their enthusiasm to learn, especially in my

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Speaker 6: chalented kids, amazing artists and some of them are like

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Speaker 6: their own albums and stuff like that. It was a

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Speaker 6: wonderful time of just artistry from them. And then came choir,

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Speaker 6: which is this whole different thing because everybody sings like

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Speaker 6: on a whole different level. Even from the first rehearsal

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Speaker 6: that I was in and we didn't have a piano

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Speaker 6: they were able to learn musically, learn these things vocally

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Speaker 6: that were just incredible. From the gate, that was like, man,

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Speaker 6: can I bring all these people back home with me?

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Speaker 6: Because it just it was so powerful, like even in

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Speaker 7: I feel like in our music camps here we spend

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Speaker 7: some energy, but we never had to mention that. In

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Speaker 7: South Africa, it was full enthusiasm all the way. I

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Speaker 7: Darryl's jazz band, and so we had to speak very

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Speaker 7: Assumption that everybody had a computer. It's like, okay, you

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