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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court decision on birthright citizenship has produced a

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Speaker 1: national crisis, but not for the reason that most people think.

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Speaker 1: The crisis is not whether the Supreme Court, including its

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Speaker 1: Republican appointees, has been captured by the left. Nor is

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Speaker 1: it over whether illegals who have children in this country

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Speaker 1: can thereby confer citizenship on them.

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Speaker 2: Neither of those things, as I'll explain, is really the

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Speaker 2: core problem.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the Republican appointees on the Court are

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Speaker 1: not exactly rhinos or secret Democrats. Consider Amy Cony Barrett.

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Speaker 1: She voted to get rid of Robi Wade, she gave

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Speaker 1: She expanded gun rights, She ended special black and minority

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Speaker 1: voting districts in just a few days ago, voted against

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Speaker 1: the right of biological males to compete in women's sports. Now,

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Speaker 1: Barrett is, as Trump knew before he appointed her, a

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Speaker 1: political and cultural conservative. Even so, I see on social

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Speaker 1: media that Barrett voted the way she did because she's

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Speaker 1: a woman and women don't have the capacity to govern,

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Speaker 1: or she's a DEI appointed to the Court, or her

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Speaker 1: decision is based on the fact that she and her

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Speaker 1: husband adopted Haitian children. Now I'm dubious about all this.

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Speaker 1: Let's take up my second point. There are illegals who

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Speaker 1: have been in this country for twenty or even thirty years.

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Speaker 1: I am not happy about this because they two broke

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Speaker 1: the law. Even so, no one, not even Clarence Thomas,

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Speaker 1: a constitutional right to be US citizens. Why because the

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Speaker 1: relevant constitutional phrase is quote subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

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Speaker 1: It means subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,

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Speaker 1: and quite obviously a family living here for decades is

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Speaker 1: any other country. Moreover, one cannot pragmatically send these children

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Speaker 1: whose language they very often do not speak. Thomas alludes

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Speaker 1: to this in his dissenting opinion. So what are we

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Speaker 1: talking about here. We're talking about birth tourism, which is

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Speaker 1: to say, about people who come to this country in

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Speaker 1: order to have children so that their children can automatically

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Speaker 2: That's the core issue.

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Speaker 1: Does the Constitution a firm births tourism as a right,

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Speaker 1: and what, if anything, do we do about it. Let's

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Speaker 1: begin by noting that there's no good argument for birth tourism. Recently,

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Speaker 1: The New York Times had a long profile of a

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Speaker 1: child could be born in a Mayora. The profile was

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Speaker 1: intended to garner sympathy, and to some extent it does,

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Speaker 1: But even here it's quite obvious that birthright citizenship birth

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Speaker 1: tourism in this way should not be allowed. People should

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Speaker 1: do this, regardless of their long term aspirations for their children. Then,

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Speaker 1: on the darker side, investigative journalist Peter Schweitzer my friend Peter,

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Speaker 1: who has been profiled in more than one of my films,

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Speaker 1: Think about that, Given that we cannot give even a

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Speaker 1: is surpassingly strange that the Constitution seems to say that

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Speaker 1: this practice has continued in this country for a century

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Speaker 1: have affirmed that constitutional reading and that historical precedent. Sure,

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Speaker 1: we can scream about the decision, we make outrageous demands. Recently,

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Speaker 1: recognizing what the problem exactly is. So what is the problem?

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Speaker 1: real life example. Consider a nerdy college student who makes

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Speaker 1: Now, if this were to happen at an elite college

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Speaker 1: There are no rules. The dean basically looks at the

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Speaker 1: This is justice by principle and rule. There is some discretion,

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Speaker 1: no room for consequences for consequential reasoning in our constitutional law.

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Speaker 1: There is room for such reasoning and other types of law.

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Speaker 1: For instance, in the British common law, it's routine for

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Speaker 1: What will be the effects of me ruling this way

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Speaker 1: Notice that of the various opinions delivered by the Supreme

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Speaker 1: The Republicans because that's how today's Supreme Court decisions are decided. Now,

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Speaker 1: basically siding with birthright citizenship but offering a narrow legislative

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Speaker 1: Anyone born here is automatically eligible for citizenship. Sure, there

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Speaker 2: Subject to our laws.

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Speaker 1: Moreover, the majority camp of conservatives notes that birthright citizenship

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Speaker 1: Thomas and Alito take it on. Thomas and Alito basically

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Speaker 1: intentions of the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment. First, the

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Speaker 1: This was their clear purpose in enacting the constitutional change.

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Speaker 2: The slaves were brought here against their will.

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Speaker 1: They had no place else to go, no allegiance to

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Speaker 1: a related point, the Framers did not intend to give

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Speaker 2: To see this, let's do a thought experiment.

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Speaker 1: Let's imagine that the founders did intend to make birthright.

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Speaker 2: Citizenship a constitutional right.

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Speaker 1: Let's assume that in the nineteenth century, when the country

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Speaker 1: if anyone who comes here for any reason and has

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Speaker 1: now that we know what those guys really meant, we're

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Speaker 2: Of course not.

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Speaker 1: Our point is that the circumstances have changed. The country

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Speaker 1: In short, our opposition derives entirely from the consequences of birthrights, citizenship,

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Speaker 1: and birth tourism. I'm sure that dissenters like Alito and

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Speaker 2: Why is this, Well, it's.

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Speaker 1: Because of fifty years of conservative jurisprudence we have taught them.

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Speaker 1: We conservatives have collectively affirmed that it is not the

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Speaker 2: Once the judge has done that, his job is done.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that if you pressed a Chief Justice Robert

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Speaker 3: So look, I've always been a First Amendment I believe

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Speaker 1: I'm going to run them for city council. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to try to expand the number of Muslims and the Congress,

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Speaker 1: for example.

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Speaker 4: And our goal is.

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Speaker 1: Shari a law, but not surely a law. Now, Shari

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Speaker 1: a law when we're strong enough to insist upon it.

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Speaker 1: And again when we insist upon it, we won't insist

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Speaker 1: upon it like Sharia for the whole country.

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Speaker 2: It'll be well.

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Speaker 1: Listen, we need to have these no go zones where

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Speaker 1: keep the cops out keep the laws we'll have, sure

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Speaker 1: we form Muslims in those areas, and then you expand

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Speaker 1: outward from there.

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Speaker 4: In other words, what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Getting at is using the passport of our liberties to

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Speaker 1: take us to a destination that would crush those liberties.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I would be completely opposing that.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, these are what most people come here to live under,

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Speaker 3: which is the freedom that we have versus other countries.

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Speaker 3: So if there are groups, if there are Muslim groups

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Speaker 3: trying to do that, I think we have to oppose them.

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Speaker 3: We have, and this is why elections matter. This is

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Speaker 3: why people have to show up at elections if they're

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Speaker 3: organizing better and they can try to influence policy towards

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Speaker 3: that direction. I mean, if we're not fighting it, we

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Speaker 3: can definitely lose our country from inside. And certainly that's

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Speaker 3: not what I want and I would do everything I

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Speaker 3: could to fight that and oppose that. But that's why

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Speaker 3: Americans have to pay attention to what's going on, and

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Speaker 3: they can't just believe everything that the media feeds them.

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Speaker 3: They need to understand what's really going on.

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Speaker 1: The reason I think the sort of theological aspect is relevant.

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Speaker 1: And i'd like you as a lawyer to sort of

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Speaker 1: take stock of this. Is America's based on we the people,

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Speaker 1: and the fundamental idea is that the people are the

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Speaker 1: source of the laws. Islam is based on the idea

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Speaker 1: that the laws are handed down from on high. Allah

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Speaker 1: makes the law that's the meaning of Shariah, so that

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Speaker 1: the people have nothing to do with it. The people

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Speaker 1: are merely the instruments of Allah in like carrying out

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Speaker 1: those laws. And as I look at these two things,

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Speaker 1: they are kind of radically opposed to each other. Not

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Speaker 1: opposed on the edges, they're opposed fundamentally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do would disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: I think that sharial law is in direct conflict with

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Speaker 3: our constitution, with state law and some federal law. So

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Speaker 3: I think, yes, if you are promoting a separate system

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Speaker 3: of law that comes from Allah versus what comes from

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Speaker 3: the people, the people who elect their representatives to make

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Speaker 3: these laws, that's a real problem. And I consider that

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Speaker 3: a real problem.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible to say that Islam is the problem

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Speaker 1: not necessarily Muslims, And by that I mean you could

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Speaker 1: have a Muslim guy that is or is not in

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Speaker 1: sort of full conformity with the kind of deep down

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Speaker 1: doctrines of Islam. So the issue isn't the Muslim but

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Speaker 1: it is the ideology, which, as I said, is not

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Speaker 1: just a theology, but includes a philosophy and a jurisprudence

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Speaker 1: and really a comprehensive doctrine of society.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So if you're following that doctrine that we all have

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Speaker 3: to be under Sharia law, that somehow terrorism harming people

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Speaker 3: is is is okay because we have a greater goal here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a real problem.

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Speaker 3: And I think that if that is what is going

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Speaker 3: on in certain segments of Islam, that does not work

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Speaker 3: with our constitutional form of government. It does not even

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Speaker 3: work with the idea that we're free, because that's controlled

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Speaker 3: by a few people, not everybody.

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Speaker 1: How do you handle the politics of this. You're campaigning

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Speaker 1: for the Senate. There are Muslims in the state of Texas.

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Speaker 1: I assume you want at least some of them, maybe

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Speaker 1: a lot of them to vote for you. If the

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Speaker 1: Muslim goes, hey, listen, I'm a Muslim, so I subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the Quran, and whatever it says in the Quran,

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Speaker 1: I may not know everything in there, but whatever it

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Speaker 1: says I'm on board with. And you're telling me that

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Speaker 1: there's something wrong with my religion. How would you answer that?

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Speaker 4: First, I don't have to agree with anybody's religion. I don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I have my own faith.

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Speaker 3: It's different from many faith but that doesn't mean we

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Speaker 3: can't agree that certain people are better representing us in

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Speaker 3: the US Senate or in Congress. It's not based on

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Speaker 3: necessarily do I agree with every tenet of every religion.

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Speaker 4: I don't. I have known faith that is different than

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Speaker 4: many faiths.

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Speaker 3: But I have people from all kinds of faiths that

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Speaker 3: are willing to support me because they like the agenda,

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Speaker 3: the freedom agenda that we promote, one that is based

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Speaker 3: on the Constitution, that's based on the power coming from

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Speaker 3: the people and being accountable to them. And I would

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Speaker 3: assume that there are some Muslims that actually want that.

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Speaker 3: They came here for the freedom that we all experience,

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Speaker 3: and if you want something different, my push to them

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Speaker 3: would be, then go somewhere different.

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Speaker 1: Here's a hypothetical which is not that far from from

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Speaker 1: what's happening in Texas. So an Islamic group comes to you,

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Speaker 1: you're in the Senate, and they say, hey, we want

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Speaker 1: to buy five thousand acres of land in Texas. It's

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Speaker 1: the free market. We're going to pay with our own money.

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Speaker 1: We want to construct the largest mosque in Texas.

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Speaker 2: We want to create.

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Speaker 1: A madrasa school from Muslim boys. And yeah, we're going

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Speaker 1: to be teaching the Koran and we're going to be

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Speaker 1: teaching sure, real law. But you believe in free markets,

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Speaker 1: you believe in free speech, you believe in freedom of religion.

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Speaker 1: On what grounds would you oppose us? You should be

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Speaker 1: supporting us, because this is a conservative thing that we're doing.

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Speaker 1: What would you say.

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Speaker 3: I would say, you have every right to express your

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Speaker 3: religion however you want to. Whatch you don't have a

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Speaker 3: right to do is impose those laws on a segment

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Speaker 3: of the population that are different than the laws that

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Speaker 3: the overall population of that state or of the United

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Speaker 3: States has put in place. That you can't do that

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Speaker 3: in the United States. So you can talk about any

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Speaker 3: issue you want to. It can be very extreme, it

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Speaker 3: can be very as long as you're not promoting harming people.

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Speaker 3: You can have all the views you want that are

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Speaker 3: different than anything that I might think is right. It's

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Speaker 3: your right in this country to have different views, to

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Speaker 3: express those views, to worship however you want to, but

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Speaker 3: you cannot impose your own legal system that is separate

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Speaker 3: and apart from the legal system that we have in

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Speaker 3: this country.

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Speaker 4: That is unconstitutional and is not acceptable.

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Speaker 1: You just went through a bruising but ultimately highly successful

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Speaker 1: campaign against Cornin. Now people sometimes call Cornin a rhino,

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Speaker 1: but he wasn't a rhino in the sense that he

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Speaker 1: wasn't one of these guys who was constantly subverting the

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Speaker 1: Republican or the Trump or the MAGA agenda.

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Speaker 2: He claimed.

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Speaker 1: I think, with some justification, I'm mostly on board with Trump,

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Speaker 1: and yet you were able to challenge him, expose him,

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Speaker 1: and defeat him, and quite easily and decisively. How did

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Speaker 1: you do that?

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Speaker 3: I think just exposing his record that he did have

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Speaker 3: certain issues, whether it was Second Amendment, whether it was

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Speaker 3: the border, whether it's just being not in favor of

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Speaker 3: Trunk being elected.

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Speaker 4: Either time.

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Speaker 3: It's one thing to talk about, it's another thing to

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Speaker 3: show proof of that. And so I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: I always tell people look at the record, not the rhetoric,

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Speaker 3: and the record is oftentimes different than the rhetorican in

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Speaker 3: this case, I think that proved to be true.

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Speaker 4: So you know, we need to move on.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready to move on and focus on the next round.

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Speaker 3: We've got to unite all the Republicans, whether you've voted for.

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Speaker 4: Me or not.

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Speaker 3: We've got to defeat this guy, James tell Rico, who

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Speaker 3: is I think the most radical politician that has ever

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Speaker 3: run in Texas, and he's out in San Francisco right

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Speaker 3: now raising money from the people that he actually agrees with.

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Speaker 1: Making an important point here, I think, which is that

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Speaker 1: you actually need the corn in voters to come over

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Speaker 1: to your side, and you get them in part by

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Speaker 1: exposing how bad taal Rico is right.

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Speaker 3: And just because John and I had disagreements, they're not

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Speaker 3: the same kind of disagreements that I have with James Tealerrico.

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Speaker 3: Those are much Those are like as wide of a

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Speaker 3: chasm as you can get. John and I had disagreements

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Speaker 3: over certain issues, but it isn't like being I mean,

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Speaker 3: he was a Republican and so we do have some similarities.

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Speaker 3: And when you're in elections, you have to pick. You

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Speaker 3: only have two choices in selection. You have to pick

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Speaker 3: the one that you think is going to best represent you.

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Speaker 3: And in this case, you couldn't have a more diverse choice.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand this tallaryical phenomenon, because if I

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Speaker 1: were running the DNC or or the Democratic Party in Texas,

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Speaker 1: I would say, look, it's really important to get some

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Speaker 1: guy who is very centrist to run in Texas. It's

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Speaker 1: a red state. How on earth are we going to

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Speaker 1: beat a Paxton. We need a guy who's sort of

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Speaker 1: a rancher. We need a guy who's kind of like

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Speaker 1: a man's man. We need a guy who's sort of

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Speaker 1: right leaning, at least on certain issues.

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Speaker 2: They don't do that.

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Speaker 1: They go find this Tallarico character who you know, he

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Speaker 1: puts on a cowboy hat three times the size of

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Speaker 1: his head, and he has a photo of him in

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Speaker 1: a truck. But it seems to be a masquerade. And

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Speaker 1: my question is, why are the Dems going for a masquerade?

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Speaker 1: Why don't they try to find a real candidate.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they can't. Maybe they can't. I think that may

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Speaker 4: be the real problem.

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Speaker 3: So they're going with They're going with the personality as

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Speaker 3: opposed to real character that represents the values of Texas.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't have picked anybody worse to represent the values

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Speaker 3: of Texas.

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Speaker 4: So what do they do?

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Speaker 3: This is typical of them, they masquerade as somebody that

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Speaker 3: is different than what they actually are. So if you

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Speaker 3: look at James Talerico's actual views, he's running from all

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Speaker 3: of them, all the ones that he ran on in

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Speaker 3: the primary, all the ones that he supported in the

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Speaker 3: Texas legislature. Now suddenly he's adopting not just a little

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Speaker 3: different version, completely different version.

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Speaker 4: I am not that guy. What did he say?

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Speaker 3: I was taking his cringy comments and focusing on them.

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm taking your real positions on issues that

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Speaker 3: are very radical for Texas that would fit in San Francisco,

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Speaker 3: because that's obviously why he's there, because he knows those

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Speaker 3: people will write checks to him because they want him

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Speaker 3: to represent Texas, and they're using their money to make

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Speaker 3: that happen.

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Speaker 1: Tall Rico has a very well, he would call it

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Speaker 1: a progressive Christianity. It appears to be, at least for

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Speaker 1: traditional Christians, a very strange doctrine because he'll talk about

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Speaker 1: the fact that you know, Mary, in conceiving Jesus was

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Speaker 1: actually exercising the pro choice position, or he'll talk about

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Speaker 1: God being non binary. I mean, this is not normally

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Speaker 1: the stuff of politics, because it's getting into the issues

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Speaker 1: of theology. But how do you how do you respond

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Speaker 1: to this kind of exotica.

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Speaker 3: Say, it's it's he's deceptive, it's not the theology of Christianity,

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Speaker 3: of any kind of historical Christianity that he holds, And

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Speaker 3: it's it's dangerous because he's he's deceiving people about what

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Speaker 3: these scriptures actually say. There's very few historical Christians that

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Speaker 3: would agree with his view that that somehow abortion is

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Speaker 3: approved by Mary and the range between marry and God,

656
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Speaker 3: that God's non binary. You know that there are six genders.

657
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Speaker 3: That is not historical Christianity. That is a something else.

658
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Speaker 3: It's that I would consider antithetical to Christianity. It would

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Speaker 3: be it would be views that were actually opposed by scripture,

660
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Speaker 3: that are opposed by most Christians. So I think it's

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Speaker 3: it's a little scary that he is promoting himself as

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Speaker 3: a pastor and somebody that's an expert on the scriptures,

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Speaker 3: when in reality he has in his head what he

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Speaker 3: wants and he goes out and creates scriptural basis for

665
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Speaker 3: making up his own Bible.

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Speaker 1: And is your campaign strategy pretty simple, which is just

667
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Speaker 1: take these positions, these extreme positions theological political highlight them

668
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Speaker 1: kind of put it in people's faces, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to the ordinary text and is going to go, I'm

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Speaker 1: not on board with that. I mean, do you have

671
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Speaker 1: to do anything more than that in this right now?

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Speaker 4: That's it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 3: The campaign is let people know, because you know, no

674
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Speaker 3: one really knows James Seller here. What have he's been

675
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: in the sex legislature. What are his accomplishments He has

676
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Speaker 3: virtually none.

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Speaker 4: So what we have is his.

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Speaker 3: Promoting certain things, him voting against For instance, when they

679
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: tried to ban transitioning children, he.

680
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Speaker 4: Voted against him.

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Speaker 3: But now he says he's not for transitioning kids. Well,

682
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Speaker 3: then why did you vote that way? So it's really

683
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Speaker 3: easy for him to come back off of these issues

684
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Speaker 3: and say he's not.

685
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Speaker 4: He doesn't believe those anymore.

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Speaker 3: Those are just cringey issues that I took to use

687
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Speaker 3: against them. No, these are the things you promoted while

688
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: you were a representatives. You were doing interviews, promoting these views,

689
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: and now suddenly you know you can't win in Texas. California, yes,

690
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: San Francisco, yes, where you are now, but you cannot

691
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Speaker 3: win in Texas holding the views that James Tallerica holds

692
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Speaker 3: and So what does he do.

693
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Speaker 4: He runs from all of them.

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Speaker 3: Now, you know he was ahead of vegan campaign because

695
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: you know we're harming the environment by eating meat.

696
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 4: Now you see him doing videos eating meat.

697
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Speaker 3: He claimed that the flag was a complicated, you know

698
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: American symbol that you know has its issues.

699
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Speaker 4: Well, now he's wearing a flag is his shirt. So

700
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Speaker 4: he is.

701
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Speaker 3: Running away from almost every single position that he knows

702
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Speaker 3: Texans won't vote for him.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, I don't believe those anymore. Vote for me anyway.

704
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Speaker 3: We're going to put those back and say, wait a minute,

705
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Speaker 3: how do you justify what you said and how you

706
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: voted with what you're telling us now?

707
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Speaker 4: Are you a liar?

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Speaker 3: Or did you have a radical transformation when you won

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Speaker 3: the Democratic primary and now you're in a general what happened?

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Speaker 1: Well, seems to me he's in a trap because he

711
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Speaker 1: could say I have really undergone a conversion, sort of

712
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Speaker 1: like I used to be an atheist and now I'm

713
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Speaker 1: a Christian. I used to be a vegan now. But

714
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Speaker 1: usually people who have those transformations have got to give

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Speaker 1: a sincere and believable account of how they got from

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Speaker 1: here to there. I think the problem is that for

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Speaker 1: him he's got to convince the liberal billionaires who give

718
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Speaker 1: him money, no, I'm still with you. And at the

719
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Speaker 1: same time he's got to convince the Texans I'm with you. Right.

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Speaker 1: So isn't he forced to play this double game where

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Speaker 1: he speaks, as they used to say, with four kid tongue.

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Speaker 3: If he'd actually had a transformation, what he have spent

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Speaker 3: several days in San Francisco raising money, he had a

724
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Speaker 3: real transformation, he would be very vocal about that transformation.

725
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Speaker 3: And those people in San Francisco who are trying to

726
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Speaker 3: help him become the next US centator from Texas would

727
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 3: not be supporting him. Would They would be running from

728
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: him because if he was being honest then with them

729
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: about those views, they wouldn't support him. So he's playing

730
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Speaker 3: it both ways, right. He's raising money under the umbrella

731
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Speaker 3: of who he really is. He's running publicly in Texas

732
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Speaker 3: under the umbrella no, I'm not that guy, even though

733
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: I raise all my money from those people and I

734
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Speaker 3: tell them that I am that guy. Believe me, please,

735
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Speaker 3: I don't believe any of those views. Now that I'm

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Speaker 3: running for Texas senator, I'm out of the primary.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this save Act because one of the

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Speaker 1: actually I think master strokes of your campaign is you

739
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Speaker 1: at one point even declared, Hey, if the Senate will

740
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Speaker 1: pass the Save Act and if Cornyn and Thune will

741
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Speaker 1: push this through, I'll get out of the race. They

742
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Speaker 1: didn't do it, And my question is why didn't they

743
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Speaker 1: do it? I mean, this is a voter ID has.

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Speaker 2: Widespread public support. It's an eighty twenty issue.

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Speaker 1: As some people like to say, why on earth would

746
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Speaker 1: Republicans who know this and they can see the data

747
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: as well as you and I can. What's going on

748
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Speaker 1: with the Senate and with the sort of establishment that

749
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Speaker 1: you've been to some degree running against.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there apparently are Republican centers some who are

751
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Speaker 3: leaving that don't believe that's a worthy bill, and I

752
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 3: don't understand it. I don't think there is a more

753
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: worthy bill up there, because we do not protect our

754
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: elections with the photo ID, making sure that non citizens

755
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Speaker 3: are not voting, making sure that our mail in ballots

756
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: are not being used to defraud us, which they are

757
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 3: all over the country and they tried to do it here.

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Speaker 4: We none of our issues are going to matter.

759
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Speaker 3: So oh, yeah, you can protect the filibuster all you want,

760
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Speaker 3: but if we lose control of all of these states,

761
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Speaker 3: we're not going to have a Republican majority anyway, because

762
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Speaker 3: they're going to cheat in all these dates. They already

763
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: doing in most of the Democratic states. It's why we

764
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: can't win them. They why does it take? You know,

765
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Speaker 3: however many days count ballots in California, it takes a

766
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: little while to cheat.

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Speaker 4: And they are absolutely with mail in ballots. We don't

768
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Speaker 4: know who's voting. If you don't if you can mail

769
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Speaker 4: up mail, abust.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, and you have no idea through photo ID or

771
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Speaker 3: through at least a signature verification, who's sending him back.

772
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, there is fraud going on at a

773
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Speaker 3: massive level. And if we are not going to fix

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Speaker 3: that as Republicans, and we will, we have something to

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Speaker 3: count on in the future, which is a Democratic majority

776
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: that we can never unsea because once they rig the

777
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: elections in these states and we haven't fixed them in time,

778
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: that when we've lost our majority, game over none of

779
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: our issues matter anyway. So I don't know how you

780
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: defend a filibuster, as valuable as that might be to

781
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: stop bad legislation.

782
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Speaker 4: I do not disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: I like the filibuster from the standpoint being a minority,

784
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 3: but we are at a crucial stage in our history

785
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Speaker 3: that if we do not protect elections, the filibuster has

786
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Speaker 3: no meaning.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the reason that that Thune is

788
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Speaker 1: acting the way he is is he has thew you

789
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: kind of the Marquis of Queensbury rules, which is, hey, listen,

790
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Speaker 1: we need to protect the filibuster because we want to

791
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Speaker 1: make sure that they don't get rid of the filibuster.

792
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Speaker 1: But of course they the Democrats, if they were in

793
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: our position, would have done it anyway. And second of all,

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Speaker 1: they're getting ready to do it when they need to

795
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Speaker 1: when they're in power. So we are our side is

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Speaker 1: resting on a kind of gentleman's agreement, with no confidence

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Speaker 1: that we're dealing with gentlemen in the first place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think part of it is, you know,

799
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Speaker 3: if you look at the US Senate, he doesn't have

800
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Speaker 3: the member.

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Speaker 4: Votes to get it done. And that to me is

802
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Speaker 4: a problem.

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Speaker 3: That's a sad problem for the republic majority that cannot

804
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: govern because we don't have the wisdom to see what's

805
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: coming at us. And you know, they're going to hold

806
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: onto their seats for a little while longer, but eventually

807
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: they're not going to be able to maintain the majority

808
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: because if the elections are not fair and free of

809
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: most fraud, this idea that they're somehow protecting against being

810
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: a minority is just you know, it's a pipe dream.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna work out.

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Speaker 1: Taller Rico seems to me one of his weapons that

813
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Speaker 1: he's already started like unfurling against you, is he says,

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Speaker 1: I'm a straight lace guy. Ken has a very checker

815
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Speaker 1: and he's been impeached. He's got this, he's got accusations

816
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Speaker 1: of extramarrial affairs. Texans need to vote for the straight

817
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Speaker 1: lace tallar Rico and not the dubious Ken Paxton.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you'll know that when you are

819
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Speaker 3: fighting the fight, you know what happens. They come after you.

820
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Speaker 3: It's what happened to Donald Trump. Matter of fact, I

821
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: have a very similar history with him. I mean we've

822
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: both been impeached. He's been impeached twice, I've been impeached once.

823
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Speaker 3: We've both gone through indictments. He's had more indictments. But

824
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Speaker 3: when you're in the middle of the fight with the

825
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: left and even some of the establishment. They come after you,

826
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Speaker 3: and look, why does it not matter that they have

827
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Speaker 3: to prove what they actually are accusing you of, and

828
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: yet they go on accusing you as if you've.

829
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Speaker 4: Done it with no proof.

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Speaker 3: So what I would say is, these are people that

831
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Speaker 3: they don't want to talk about the issues.

832
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Speaker 4: They want to talk about personal stuff. They don't want to.

833
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: Talk about the issues because they know that if we're

834
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Speaker 3: talking about James Talerico's positions on boys and girls sports,

835
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Speaker 3: on transitioning children, on saying that you know he's running

836
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Speaker 3: a vegan campaign, on saying that God's non binary, the

837
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: list goes onto saying that you can't be Christian and

838
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: spoil the you know, oil and gas industry. These are

839
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: things that he doesn't want to talk about. So let's

840
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 3: make it personal. Let's not talk about all my bad

841
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: positions that will hurt the country.

842
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 4: Let's try to make him look like he's a bad guy. Well,

843
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: guess what.

844
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Speaker 3: The voters of Texas have spoken many many times. They've

845
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: been coming after me for over a decade. They came out,

846
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: They've come after Trump Trump for over a decade, and

847
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: the people of Texas will see through it.

848
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Speaker 1: Ken, what are some things that you did as Attorney

849
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Speaker 1: General to deal with the problem of the Islamification of Texas.

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Speaker 4: So my focus is always in the law.

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Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer, I represent the state, I represent all

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00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: the agencies of governor or legislature. So one we've defended

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00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: when the Muslim Brotherhood and Cares sued the governor when

854
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: he eliminated certain practices. But also when we've seen examples

855
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: of certain entities Islam related who are not following Texas law,

856
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 3: we've sued him or we've investigated him. So we've shut

857
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Speaker 3: down certain developments out in Coffin County. We've sued over

858
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Speaker 3: the Epic City over a couple of different issues. One

859
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: is violation of state security laws. We also think they

860
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: violiated federal securities laws. And then we also.

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Speaker 4: Think they did not appropriately manage the way.

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Speaker 3: The process is supposed to be done with open meetings

863
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Speaker 3: and the way those are supposed to be accomplished.

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Speaker 4: So we suit them over that.

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Speaker 3: So when you don't follow our laws, then we are going.

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Speaker 4: To address that.

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Speaker 3: As i SA said earlier, if you want to go worship,

868
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Speaker 3: you go worship the way you want. If you want

869
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Speaker 3: to exist in our society, you have to follow our state,

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Speaker 3: our federal and our constitution. That's where I come in

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Speaker 3: to try to focus on. If you're not doing that,

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Speaker 3: we're going to stop you.

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Speaker 1: Would it be fair to say that your position, even

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Speaker 1: where broadly can be summarized like this, that if there

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Speaker 1: are Islamic groups that are running a foul of the law,

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Speaker 1: you can count on the authorities, or you should count

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Speaker 1: on the authorities to be able to crack down on it.

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Speaker 1: But if you have a larger problem, let's say, you know,

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Speaker 1: you think that Islam is changing the cultural environment of Texas,

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Speaker 1: or there are too many mosques in the suburbs, then

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Speaker 1: guess what. It's your job as a voter to step

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Speaker 1: forward and be as active as the Muslims apparently are

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Speaker 1: in exercising your ballot and voting for the Texas that

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Speaker 1: you want.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, this is fundamental to a free society. It's fundamental

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Speaker 3: with the founder's envision was direct involvement of the people.

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Speaker 3: Put the power in the hands of the people. And

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Speaker 3: if you're not paying attention, if you're not paying attention

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Speaker 3: to the issues around you, whether positive or negative, and

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Speaker 3: you're not voting, then guess what. You can lose your

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Speaker 3: state We've seen it happen. You can lose your country.

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Speaker 3: We've seen other countries loss. We have a responsibility for

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Speaker 3: our children, for ourselves and for our grandchild to step up,

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Speaker 3: pay attention, vote and help the people that are doing

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Speaker 3: the things that we want done.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Big news coming out on silver right now. The US

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Speaker 1: just added silver to the Critical Minerals List.

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Speaker 2: What does this mean?

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Speaker 1: This is an important list of minerals that are considered

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Speaker 1: crucial for US security and economic viability. So when you

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Speaker 2: I'm now on substack.

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Speaker 1: It's a platform for articles and videos, and I've just

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Speaker 1: released a series of articles on the five key American Founders.

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Speaker 1: This is in honor of America's two hundred and fiftieth

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Speaker 1: anniversary and of course, in celebration of July fourth this week.

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Speaker 2: So who are these founders?

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin.

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Speaker 1: My idea is not to try and tell the life

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Speaker 1: big idea that each of them stood for their unique

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Speaker 1: count tribution to the founding of America and to the

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Speaker 1: America we live in now. I think you'll find my

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Speaker 1: go to Dinesh Desuza dot substack dot com. Guys, I

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Speaker 1: want to announce I have a new book coming out

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Speaker 1: in the Fall I'm very excited about. It's called The

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Speaker 1: Stones cry Out subtitle Biblical Archaeology, Prophecy and the Last Days.

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Speaker 1: The book outlines the greatest discoveries in Biblical archaeology that

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Speaker 1: affirm the Bible, confirm the presence of the Jews and

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Speaker 1: the Holy Land, and also support the twin foundations of

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Speaker 1: Western civilization, which are Athens and Jerusalem. The Stones cry

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Speaker 1: Out has rave review from archaeologists, from leading pastors, and

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