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Speaker 4: Amfest Week and.
Speaker 2: It Mfest twenty four hours.
Speaker 4: Basically, yeah, we start tomorrow tomorrow evening. Probably gonna do
Speaker 4: the show here from the studio tomorrow. I think I
Speaker 4: said that wrong earlier in the week, So it's doing
Speaker 4: the show here from the studio. Then we'll head on
Speaker 4: over to the convention Center Friday. We'll we're gonna be
Speaker 4: doing the show live from the Convention Center. You know,
Speaker 4: that's gonna actually be a really bittersweet moment for me
Speaker 4: because we've done the Charlie Kirkshow live from our events
Speaker 4: countless times, and the Real America's Voice team is going
Speaker 4: to be We're gonna be at that set. It's gonna
Speaker 4: be good, but without Charlie, it's gonna be a really,
Speaker 4: I think, just a tough moment. And but we you know,
Speaker 4: we're gonna do it and it's gonna be great, and
Speaker 4: we're grateful to our Real America's Voice team for helping
Speaker 4: with the production there and then and the whole media
Speaker 4: row is just like stacked, it's you know, stack, stack stacked,
Speaker 4: gonna be all the people's are gonna be there, and
Speaker 4: you know, I'm actually I'm actually yeah, well I'm actually
Speaker 4: in a point where like I feel like you know,
Speaker 4: we've got to get through this last little push and
Speaker 4: it's gonna be I mean, this is like the Super
Speaker 4: Bowl for turning point. And then I'm I'm really this year.
Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to some downtime during the holidays.
Speaker 4: I I hope, I pray, I hope. You know, I
Speaker 4: want to just like hang out with my kids, and
Speaker 4: I'm so anyways, hopefully we have a really big last
Speaker 4: finale to the year and then we get to enjoy
Speaker 4: our family and have some some some rest, which that was.
Speaker 2: The whole purpose. That's why he did amths when he did.
Speaker 5: He wanted that to be the finale of the year
Speaker 5: political and.
Speaker 4: Looking forward to the next, to the next. I mean,
Speaker 4: we've got Jesse Waters, Greg Gutfeld, We've got Tucker Bannon,
Speaker 4: We've got Megan Kelly.
Speaker 2: Who else do we got? We got a lot of
Speaker 2: people here.
Speaker 4: We've got Russell Brand, We've got Savannah Chris Lee, We've
Speaker 4: got here, there's our there's our speaker lineup, Erica kirk Oh.
Speaker 4: Of course jd Vance is gonna be our big finale.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Glenn Beck. How many other people could
Speaker 4: we go? Uh, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, all the folks.
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be it's it's gonna be a phenomenal,
Speaker 4: phenomenal time, and I hope you guys will either check
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Speaker 4: stream it on Rumble if you can't get tickets, And
Speaker 4: I wish I could just say, hey, you could still
Speaker 4: get tickets, which is usually the line, but this year
Speaker 4: is a little different because a little bit that we maxed
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Speaker 4: so we had to adjust and turn off the ticketing.
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Speaker 4: want to get tickets, you can get a discount a
Speaker 4: ticket for next year. So that's kind of the work round,
Speaker 4: the best we could do this year. So Amfest starting
Speaker 4: up tomorrow night. You're not gonna want to miss it.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of news here. We're gonna have Steve Dace,
Speaker 4: who's just a great friend become a great good friend,
Speaker 4: who's a good friend with Charlie before he's become a
Speaker 4: good friend of mine. He is going to be joining
Speaker 4: us for the second half of this uh this hour,
Speaker 4: and he's also he's in town for anfest, but he's
Speaker 4: got a show.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna do it remote. Let's talk about saving
Speaker 2: the West, yes, which it needs much saving. It needs
Speaker 2: much saving. I'm just checking now.
Speaker 5: They're still searching for that Brown University shooters. We may
Speaker 5: have targeted that conservative student. I want to get her
Speaker 5: name right, uh, Ella Cook, Ella Cook? Yes, yeah, and
Speaker 5: they're still looking for him. They've have enhanced footage. There's
Speaker 5: been rumors that it's a specific person. I don't want
Speaker 5: to name him because the police have not named him. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's all over the socials.
Speaker 4: Yes, and the person has a he they yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we don't.
Speaker 2: Know who is. We don't know, so we shouldn't say more.
Speaker 4: We're holding back, you know. So anyways, that's a terrible story.
Speaker 4: There's a blockade going on in Venezuela. There's a massive
Speaker 4: story from James Chuck Grassley up about the FBI.
Speaker 5: That's that's putting in something that I mean, Charlie cared
Speaker 5: a lot about, and it's that Chuck Grassley, the House team.
Speaker 5: They've uncovered more documents related to that raid, which gosh,
Speaker 5: that was three years ago. Wasn't it over three years ago?
Speaker 5: It feels that feels crazy to me. I remember the
Speaker 5: day that happened, but it's internal documents from the FBI
Speaker 5: as they're debating whether due to this raid on Marlago.
Speaker 5: To remind everyone, they all went there to find classified materials.
Speaker 5: They allegedly found them. Whether anything in there was really
Speaker 5: that important is up for debate, and of course the
Speaker 5: President also has the power to declassify things with his mind.
Speaker 2: So it was it was quite the bizarre case.
Speaker 5: And now we just have documents from the White House,
Speaker 5: from the Washington Field Office, and you.
Speaker 4: Got to where you got to remember this post image though,
Speaker 4: Blake the remember this where they where they laid them
Speaker 4: all out with the top secret covered sheet. But turns
Speaker 4: out they put the cover sheets. It was like they
Speaker 4: were filed away and then we have the image if
Speaker 4: you guys, it was very silly, but it wasn't like
Speaker 4: those they found those files with the top secret cover
Speaker 4: sheets on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But yeah, so this is the line.
Speaker 5: It's from assistant Special Agent in charge and they just write.
Speaker 5: Very little has been developed related to who might be
Speaker 5: culpable for mishandling documents from the interviews. Washington Field Office
Speaker 5: has gathered information suggesting there maybe additional boxes, but there
Speaker 5: is some concern that this information is single source, has
Speaker 5: not been corroborated, and maybe dated, And they basically say
Speaker 5: there's a lot of doubt that it reaches a probable
Speaker 5: cause standard.
Speaker 4: Which is wild. So so there was doubt. Let's sum
Speaker 4: this up. They're considering rating a president's home a former
Speaker 4: president's home of the United States. I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 4: it hasn't been done before. Yeah, they cross a rubicon
Speaker 4: in American political life that you know, we've thus far
Speaker 4: managed to not emulate the Third world on They do
Speaker 4: it even though there is a massive discussion in debate
Speaker 4: about probable cause.
Speaker 2: Do they have the probable probable cause to do so?
Speaker 5: Absent a witness coming forward with recent information about classified
Speaker 5: on site? At what point is it fair to table this?
Speaker 5: It is time consuming for the team and not productive
Speaker 5: if there are no new facts supporting probable cause. And
Speaker 5: then it says this feels like a sentence weighted with
Speaker 5: a lot of meaning. DOJ has appined that they do
Speaker 5: have probable cause, requesting a wide scope including residents, office
Speaker 5: and storage space.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is a you know again, Chuck Grassley,
Speaker 4: he's such a funny tweeter.
Speaker 2: By the way, the words he describing it it's a funny.
Speaker 4: He's a funny tweeter. Received shocking new docs today from
Speaker 4: DJ and FBI showing FBI did not believe it had
Speaker 4: probable cause to reid President Trump's mar A Lago home,
Speaker 4: but Biden DOJ pushed for it anyway. Based on the records,
Speaker 4: mar Al Lago raid was a mis carriage of justice.
Speaker 4: Read for yourself, and we have the we have the
Speaker 4: image of the document that he was delivered.
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is I mean, this is shocking.
Speaker 4: Stuff like this shows the level of animis that existed
Speaker 4: within the Biden DOJ for President Trump. The question that
Speaker 4: I have where my mind goes, is how coordinated was this?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: Like, how far does the conspiracy reach? Who was who
Speaker 4: was involved in it, who was advising this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we say conspiracy, but we have you know,
Speaker 5: they all said, our own point of view is that
Speaker 5: the president can order DJ to investigate something.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but if his own FBI is saying we
Speaker 4: don't have probable cause, that's a that's a bombshell, for sure,
Speaker 4: for sure a bombshell.
Speaker 5: You guys should all follow Chuck Grassley, by the way,
Speaker 5: because he's at nine hundred and ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Thousand x follows he needs nine hundred to get him
Speaker 2: over the top. Get nine hundred to get over the top. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we probably like that eight hundred and fifteen.
Speaker 5: I just looked one thousand followers for every year he's
Speaker 5: been in the Senate.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna follow check Gratzley Radio. I just did it.
Speaker 4: We also have this Venezuelan blockead. I want to at
Speaker 4: least prime the pump here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We have a new statement from President Trump on Venezuela.
Speaker 5: This has been building for weeks. It's I think we've
Speaker 5: been at ten different points where I thought, are we
Speaker 5: going to invade Venezuela tomorrow? But it keeps ratcheting up.
Speaker 5: And what the President announced yesterday is he sa. He
Speaker 5: says the largest armada in history, in the history of
Speaker 5: South America is surrounding Venezuelan out he says he's designated
Speaker 5: the Venezuelan government a terrorist organization, and he says they're
Speaker 5: doing a total blockade on oil tankers going in or
Speaker 5: out of Venezuela. That is noteworthy because historically a blockade
Speaker 5: is conventionally considered an act of war.
Speaker 4: So it's definitely not as it's not kinetic like dropping.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: It's not. This will get it gets brought up a
Speaker 2: lot because we of course blockaded.
Speaker 5: Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and that was a
Speaker 5: step they had to call it a quarantine instead of
Speaker 5: a blockade. They could say that it wasn't going to do that.
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Speaker 4: So here we go, so Venezuela. I want to play
Speaker 4: this clip of Senator Fetterman because this this the drug
Speaker 4: boats thing is It's like, I can't explain it, but
Speaker 4: the Democrats think this is like a political winner. And
Speaker 4: I love that they're picking this because massively popular to
Speaker 4: take out narco terrorists that are trying to deliver poison
Speaker 4: onto our shores. It is happening. And finally there's a Democrat,
Speaker 4: Senator Fetterman, who says, listen, the briefing we got yesterday
Speaker 4: from Rubio and Hegseth was amazing.
Speaker 2: Two thirty five.
Speaker 6: This idea is some things out in the media. It's
Speaker 6: kind of putting out this that that the military is
Speaker 6: just picking off, you know, any boat that comes across.
Speaker 6: That's just not true. I mean there's extensive intelligence, and
Speaker 6: they know exactly who's on that boat, and they know
Speaker 6: what's actually on that boat right now, and it's quite
Speaker 6: frequently they declined to take it and to move on
Speaker 6: those things. When they move on those kinetic kinds of strikes,
Speaker 6: you know, they have absolute confidence that who's on it
Speaker 6: and what's on it. And that's exactly what it's about.
Speaker 6: They're not just going around randomly just shooting boats in
Speaker 6: those things. That's just not the fact.
Speaker 5: You really find yourself wondering how many boats there must
Speaker 5: there are, because otherwise it seems like they would stop,
Speaker 5: because no one wants to just commit suicide.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: In that same interview, he did say that the majority
Speaker 4: of the actions that are being taken or just boat
Speaker 4: interdictions where they actually grab them on shore. I'm sure
Speaker 4: they process them, seize the drugs, all that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: So to your point, though we didn't read the true
Speaker 4: social yet.
Speaker 3: Did we did?
Speaker 2: We didn't read the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like someone long, Well, it's interesting because
Speaker 4: he says he so this is President Trump's true social
Speaker 4: two twenty one, throw it up. But he says, Venezuela's
Speaker 4: completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in the
Speaker 4: history of South America will only get bigger, and the
Speaker 4: shock to them will take will be like nothing they
Speaker 4: have ever seen before. So he's basically you're right, he's
Speaker 4: kind of employing almost like a medieval surround the castle
Speaker 4: block the resources going out.
Speaker 2: But in this in.
Speaker 5: Such time, yes, they returned to the United States of
Speaker 5: America all the oil land and other assets that they
Speaker 5: previously stole from US. And I don't think he means
Speaker 5: literal territory. I think it's land that US companies almost
Speaker 5: probably like Exon mobil.
Speaker 2: He nationalized a lot of things with socialism, so.
Speaker 4: They owned a lot of oil land that they were
Speaker 4: able to extract the oil, and that's typically how these
Speaker 4: things work. And it was nationalized, it was stolen from
Speaker 4: American companies, and he alleges, which I think is provably true,
Speaker 4: the Maduro regime is using oil from the stolen oil
Speaker 4: fields to finance themselves, drug terrorism, human trafficking, murder and kidnapping,
Speaker 4: for the theft of our assets, and many other reasons
Speaker 4: including terrorism, drug smuggling, human trafficking. Yeah, he says, therefore,
Speaker 4: I am ordering a total and complete blockade of all
Speaker 4: sanction oil tankers.
Speaker 5: Okay, so the question is will this be I think
Speaker 5: bombing the drug boat has been a win so far
Speaker 5: and it'll remain that way as as long as they
Speaker 5: don't blow up the wrong boat, then it's very bad.
Speaker 5: But does it remain a win if we end up?
Speaker 5: I mean, how how high can this go?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: I think I think President Trump seems to believe he
Speaker 5: could probably topple Venezuela quite easily. And I think it
Speaker 5: would be easier than Afghanistan or Iraq would be because
Speaker 5: I don't think you'd have it's not this ideological thing
Speaker 5: where you have this.
Speaker 4: It's also a navy, you know, sea fleet right that
Speaker 4: is blocking and they you know, Venezuela doesn't have a
Speaker 4: way to counter us in that way.
Speaker 2: There's nobody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the same thing with those other countries we still
Speaker 5: have spying them and having thousands of I don't think that's.
Speaker 2: Where we're going.
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna he's gonna basically choke the finances
Speaker 4: of the Maduro regime so that he is incentivized to
Speaker 4: flee and get out of there, so that somebody else
Speaker 4: can listen. I have to say, as against foreign invasions,
Speaker 4: and foreign abstractions and military operations. You know, we talked
Speaker 4: about this. Michael Knowles is going to be more patience
Speaker 4: with the base to do this right. And I'll explain why.
Speaker 4: First of all, there's been these Venezuelan gangs. You know,
Speaker 4: Aurora Colorado story lives in the memory of the of
Speaker 4: American citizens. It's one of the reasons President Trump won election.
Speaker 4: These Venezuelan gangs are being funded, propped up, or at least,
Speaker 4: you know, tacitly blessed by the Maduro regime to cause
Speaker 4: chaos in our borders. Okay, and by the mere fact
Speaker 4: that these drug boats continue setting off for the United States.
Speaker 3: You know that.
Speaker 5: Do we know that they're I know they say it
Speaker 5: a lot. Well, which part like that they're signing off
Speaker 5: on gangs doing something. I think Venezuela's just a crappy
Speaker 5: country and so as here.
Speaker 4: I think that that's essentially how Maduro keeps control. Is
Speaker 4: what I've read is that he has sort of these
Speaker 4: handshake wink wink agreements with these street gangs and they
Speaker 4: they they do his bidding and they go where he wants.
Speaker 5: And I feel like the best outcome we could have
Speaker 5: is they flee or get toppled. We get a you know,
Speaker 5: the El Salvador guy Kelly, and we got a Bukelly
Speaker 5: style government. We send all the Venezuelan and illegals back
Speaker 5: to Venezuela and they immediately send them to some Venezuelan
Speaker 5: hyper prison that they build for all of them, and
Speaker 5: we can pay them, pay them five billion dollars year.
Speaker 4: The number one export, his number one export is it's
Speaker 4: gonna be like prison systems. Like it's great, like everyone's
Speaker 4: if you look at the polls, everyone who neighbors Venezuela,
Speaker 4: they're like they say, we want that, I want that,
Speaker 4: and it great. If you got rid of probably in
Speaker 4: the United States, four hundred thousand criminals off the streets
Speaker 4: right now, we'd have paradise crime like zero crimes.
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Speaker 4: I'm very excited about our next guest, who I'm also
Speaker 4: going to be seeing this weekend. That's what we're trying
Speaker 4: to do here is get people that are going to
Speaker 4: be a part of our big weekend. That's of course
Speaker 4: Steve Dace, host of The Steve Day Show. Steve, welcome
Speaker 4: back to the show, my friend.
Speaker 3: Good to see you, guys. God blessed. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Merry Christmas. Excited to see you.
Speaker 4: Lots going on this week's go be jam packed or
Speaker 4: speaking to the crowd, do you want to give us
Speaker 4: a little teaser what you're you're thinking about talking about
Speaker 4: or uh uh.
Speaker 7: The number one thing I hope that we get out
Speaker 7: of this weekend is I've just never experienced in the
Speaker 7: kind of unity and seeds of revival like we had
Speaker 7: at Charlie's memorial and the immediate thereafter. And I am
Speaker 7: just hoping and praying in advance of this event that
Speaker 7: what this does is recaptures that going into the holidays,
Speaker 7: and then we come out of the new year with
Speaker 7: that kind of focus and drive and purpose and miss
Speaker 7: shared missiology and momentum again. And so everything I mean,
Speaker 7: you guys are keeping me busy this week. So everything
Speaker 7: that I'm going to be a part of, uh here
Speaker 7: at the convention Center in Phoenix is about is going
Speaker 7: to be about reinforcing that message, which is kind of
Speaker 7: weird for me. I mean, from from much of my career,
Speaker 7: I've kind of been the disruptor, insurgent guy. But you know,
Speaker 7: Charlie convinced in the last year plus that if we
Speaker 7: don't convince we don't keep this coalition together, we're doomed.
Speaker 3: And so now as I get older, I hmim into
Speaker 3: my fifties.
Speaker 7: Now, I kind of feel like I'm grandpa now and
Speaker 7: I'm trying to get everybody to stay on the same
Speaker 7: team for the first time in my career. So I'm
Speaker 7: gonna be harping on that a lot this week.
Speaker 4: Well, it kind of reminds me of that Elon Musk
Speaker 4: quote and I think it was right around the memorial
Speaker 4: where he says we must hang together.
Speaker 2: Or we shall surely hang separately. Yeah, and there really is.
Speaker 4: You know, I've been thinking a lot about this, Steve,
Speaker 4: and this isn't where we were planning to go with it,
Speaker 4: but I think it kind of all ties in with
Speaker 4: what we were planning on talking about on the show today.
Speaker 4: You know, there is a time for bringing coalitions together.
Speaker 4: Usually that's election years, right. Obviously, you have to you
Speaker 4: have to seed the ground before that happens, and you
Speaker 4: have to do the work before. But there can be
Speaker 4: a time where you've got to sort of there is
Speaker 4: a sifting. There can be a sifting that happens, and
Speaker 4: it's it's truly a difficult question when that time is,
Speaker 4: you know, how to who makes the call, who has
Speaker 4: the leadership to sort of lead the you know, the
Speaker 4: pruning and the you know, because you've got to prune
Speaker 4: every guard and you got to prune, prune every tree
Speaker 4: if it's going to grow healthy. And there is a
Speaker 4: point where that can be what what do you make
Speaker 4: of this? I mean, the most famous example is the
Speaker 4: Buckley in the in the in the Birth Society right
Speaker 4: in the that sixties or seventies, John Birch Society fifty sixties,
Speaker 4: fifty sixties. All right, I mean, so that's the most
Speaker 4: famous example. But what do you make of that as
Speaker 4: a as a larger question.
Speaker 7: I'm sure you guys have seen this meme that has
Speaker 7: gone around the last few months, and I have it
Speaker 7: here on my computer and I look at it like
Speaker 7: daily and I think about it a lot. And it's
Speaker 7: this meme where there's a giant dam and it's labeled
Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk and it's holding back this this this huge,
Speaker 7: you know, body of water essentially craziness, and the dam
Speaker 7: is between this crazy body of water and then how
Speaker 7: we can actually unite and win.
Speaker 3: And I think about that a lot.
Speaker 7: And I think people are just now seeing osthumously how
Speaker 7: much Charlie was respected in that role and precisely was
Speaker 7: thrust in that role because he did not seek it.
Speaker 3: I mean that that's the kind of respect.
Speaker 7: You can't appoint yourself an apostle, you can't appoint yourself
Speaker 7: a bishop, you cannot appoint yourself a leader.
Speaker 3: And most of the people that try to do that.
Speaker 7: You know, back in the day, when I was younger,
Speaker 7: we used to say, you can't gloss yourself, right, And
Speaker 7: so the guys that typically try to do that are
Speaker 7: anything but about that life. And typically that stuff is
Speaker 7: bestowed upon you organically by your peers. And I just
Speaker 7: think there was a there was a unique combination both
Speaker 7: of reverence for Charlie, respect for Charlie and his intellect,
Speaker 7: fear of Charlie's intellect and his platform, and then you
Speaker 7: know the fact that he was a good, decent human
Speaker 7: being at the same time that uniquely put him into
Speaker 7: that position. And I think what you're seeing now is
Speaker 7: there's various elements, these various factions within our movement. Now, Libertarians,
Speaker 7: you know what America for No, we're really America firsters.
Speaker 7: Maybe America onliers. You know, maybe we need to have
Speaker 7: a reconsideration of our relationship with Israel, maybe we can
Speaker 7: have a partnership with the Islamic world. Maybe we need
Speaker 7: to completely divorce ourselves from the Islamic world. The leaders
Speaker 7: of these various factions now are kind of coming to
Speaker 7: a head with their platforms to fill this void, and
Speaker 7: that has created a lot of the dissension and argumentation
Speaker 7: that you're seeing right now. And I think what we
Speaker 7: actually really need is a real debate. I think we
Speaker 7: need to have a real argument and in constructive ways
Speaker 7: so that people can legitimately feel as if their voices
Speaker 7: are heard. I said in the aftermath of the interview
Speaker 7: that Tucker did with Fuentes that a lot of people
Speaker 7: got worked up about, and I said this on my show.
Speaker 7: I said, listen, trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes will destroy
Speaker 7: our coalition on one end, trying to cancel Tucker because
Speaker 7: he brings up topics you don't like and in ways
Speaker 7: that all the time, frankly I don't even agree with,
Speaker 7: will destroy it in the other end. All right, so
Speaker 7: there's no win here by trying to cancel either side
Speaker 7: of this various conversation. Well, we really need to have
Speaker 7: our substantive debates, and I would urge the leaders of
Speaker 7: these various factions that want to have their views reconsidered
Speaker 7: now with this void left by Charlie's murder, then I
Speaker 7: would urge them, and I would try to be responsible,
Speaker 7: try to understand the collateral damage when you bring something
Speaker 7: up and disagree and be willing to have and let
Speaker 7: the leaders of the other side and the other factions question. You,
Speaker 7: go on one another shows, go on one another's platforms.
Speaker 7: You know, I know there's going to be lots of
Speaker 7: breakouts and stuff here this week in America fest. You know,
Speaker 7: this is really a time now that we need to
Speaker 7: come now and reason together, as the Bible says, and
Speaker 7: that's then the prophet Isaiah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm one thousand percent with you. I was
Speaker 4: on Ross Douthit's podcast and released last week and it
Speaker 4: was it was a great experience actually, and the reason
Speaker 4: I did it was because we had originally booked Charlie
Speaker 4: to be on Ross's show in October, and you know,
Speaker 4: lo and behold, he invited me to come out in December.
Speaker 4: So I was honored to take the endation and to
Speaker 4: do it. And one of the things we talked about
Speaker 4: was this this very thing, and I'm a proponent of
Speaker 4: let's have the debate. Let's have the debate. The key
Speaker 4: is is that in the online community it turns into,
Speaker 4: you know, this kind of feud culture, which is not productive.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what Charlie tried to avoid. We've been
Speaker 4: trying to avoid it. And I think, you know, it's
Speaker 4: if you can stay out of the personal mud slinging
Speaker 4: and you get into the debate the actual merits of
Speaker 4: the of the ideas, that's when that's the sweet spot.
Speaker 4: You should not be afraid of.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 4: The feud culture, the mud slinging, the personal animist that
Speaker 4: stuff can be really really distracting and and by the way,
Speaker 4: it's really seductive as well.
Speaker 5: The feud slinging and also just what they choose to
Speaker 5: focus on. You know, since you mentioned Fuentes and others,
Speaker 5: but that one of Charlie's best things is he really
Speaker 5: was almost entirely focused on very practical politics. So he
Speaker 5: was always he was always talking about the next race,
Speaker 5: not even the big but this off year elections. He
Speaker 5: would have been really hammering the Virginia New Jersey races,
Speaker 5: and that's why we tried to do the same, and
Speaker 5: or even Wisconsin's Supreme Court election, Tennessee by election. He'd
Speaker 5: get whipped up for these things, and he'd fixate on
Speaker 5: what could Congress be doing right now, what could the
Speaker 5: president be doing right now that will have an impact
Speaker 5: on the border, on your individual life, And when he
Speaker 5: wasn't talking about politics, he was talking about that individual
Speaker 5: life stuff. You should be going to church, you should
Speaker 5: be you know, observe the Sabbath, if you can do
Speaker 5: those things. And I do worry that a lot of
Speaker 5: what's happened with the weirder stuff that's come into the right,
Speaker 5: you know, arguing over I mean, let's be frank, a
Speaker 5: lot of the stuff the debate about Israel, for a
Speaker 5: lot of them, they really actually just want to hate
Speaker 5: on Jewish people. And besides the fact that I consider
Speaker 5: that generally morally wrong, it's also a huge distraction from everything.
Speaker 5: And it occurred to me that there was this big
Speaker 5: cancel battle going on in late October of this year,
Speaker 5: right before important elections, and there were a lot of
Speaker 5: people who weren't talking about that.
Speaker 2: They were talking about whether it was okay to attack
Speaker 2: world jewelry or not. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and you know, Steve, and I'll throw this to you,
Speaker 4: Charlie was always had this guiding north star. I think
Speaker 4: that kept him very clear minded about what was important,
Speaker 4: what wasn't and that was saved the West, Save America,
Speaker 4: Save the West. And you postulate that there's really only
Speaker 4: two ways we do that, what are those?
Speaker 2: Steve?
Speaker 7: I think one comes from above providence, and that's mass revival.
Speaker 7: When you see that two percent of France, less than
Speaker 7: two percent is evangelical. You see many of the old
Speaker 7: Catholic cathedrals now are mosques or strip malls or just
Speaker 7: barren buildings throughout much of Western Europe. We're beyond just
Speaker 7: you know, rezoning laws and many practical political solutions to
Speaker 7: that level of spiritual degradation. So we need mass, great
Speaker 7: awakening level revival. It's not a coincidence that we had
Speaker 7: great awakenings before we had you know, we had liberty
Speaker 7: in America, we had pastors like John Winthrop and Jonathan
Speaker 7: Edwards and others. So what can we do in the practicum,
Speaker 7: Because that comes from above, and in the practicum, I
Speaker 7: think we're doomed without a flat out, all out immigration moratorium,
Speaker 7: and I might even extend it.
Speaker 4: Hold on, ye say it again so they can hear
Speaker 4: you in the bag, Steve.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we might be doomed without an all
Speaker 7: out immigration moratorium at least five years. I'd say a
Speaker 7: decade something along the lines with my good friend Congressman
Speaker 7: Ship Roy is proposing right now with the Pause Act.
Speaker 7: But I'd make it even more draconian. And I hate
Speaker 7: saying this, guys. I mean, I put the fun in fundamentalism,
Speaker 7: you know it. I like thumping my Bible, man, I
Speaker 7: love it. Okay, but I'm not even sure how many
Speaker 7: Christian asylum cases we can take because a lot of
Speaker 7: them are going to come from countries that are dominated
Speaker 7: by Islam.
Speaker 3: So how do we know? How do we vet? How
Speaker 3: do we know?
Speaker 7: Because our current whatever the vetting system was around here
Speaker 7: for the last twenty plus years, suck all right. Since
Speaker 7: nine to eleven, we've taken in over three million people
Speaker 7: from Islamic dominated countries. That is absolute cultural suicide. Well,
Speaker 7: and I think we we've got to stop it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Steve, how many kids did they have?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 4: Okay, we took in three million, but are they having
Speaker 4: you know, four point seven children each each couple there,
Speaker 4: So is that really? Is that really closer to fifteen million?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: And you see what happened in Bondai Beach. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know this is we the West is sleep walking
Speaker 4: into cultural suicide. And there's many of us that are
Speaker 4: are clapping our hands, waving, jumping up and down, saying
Speaker 4: please wake up. Charlie was big on this, and there
Speaker 4: seems to be a faction within our own ranks that
Speaker 4: is I don't know more CosIng up to this idea
Speaker 4: that we can be friends with. Uh, you know Islamists
Speaker 4: that move into our into our own country. Yeah, there
Speaker 4: are fifty Muslim majority countries in the in the world.
Speaker 2: There's lots of options. You don't need to have them
Speaker 2: move to the West.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, this is this is my question when the
Speaker 4: West is insistent upon importing third worlders. By the way,
Speaker 4: Trump just expanded his travel restrictions in additional twenty countries
Speaker 4: and the Palestinian Authority doubling the number of nations affected
Speaker 4: by sweeping limits announced earlier.
Speaker 2: This travel ban, that's a very yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is you know, I'm totally okay with it.
Speaker 4: I think, to your point draconian, he's he's getting more
Speaker 4: serious about it. And by the way, when I talk
Speaker 4: to any of my friends that are connected to the administration,
Speaker 4: I just say, that is a popular policy. Please know,
Speaker 4: we got your back. If there's one thing that you
Speaker 4: is uniting right wing political online culture with political culture,
Speaker 4: it's immigration.
Speaker 2: So that's a good thing.
Speaker 7: I mean, look at the Prime Minister of Australia, not
Speaker 7: our hemisphere, but obviously it's a country that's founding, is
Speaker 7: mired in Western you know, values and philosophies. Right after
Speaker 7: what happened there, his immediate to call was for more
Speaker 7: common sense gun control, you know. And no one can
Speaker 7: rise above their own worldview. Worldview is destiny or the
Speaker 7: Bible says, as a man thinketh so is he right?
Speaker 7: And so if your worldview in response, you should be
Speaker 7: tempted to go so far the other way that we
Speaker 7: do have to say, hey, slow down, let's not just
Speaker 7: go ahead and mass you know, collectively, guilt people because
Speaker 7: of what happened here. Instead, the temptation is to double
Speaker 7: down on the very policies that lead to more and
Speaker 7: more of these tragedies. And when you're dealing with something
Speaker 7: like that, that to me is again immigration moratorium. We
Speaker 7: clearly cannot think this through right now. We need a
Speaker 7: full stop right.
Speaker 4: Now, and Steve, the only way you get that is
Speaker 4: with a filibuster. But even if you did a filibuster,
Speaker 4: if you nuke the filibuster.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 4: All right, So, Steve, if you're calling for an immigration moratorium,
Speaker 4: I am totally on board. I would do it for
Speaker 4: at least a decade, but I'll take what I can get.
Speaker 4: The question then becomes, how do you ave that political end?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: You're seeing today that four Republicans have broke in the
Speaker 4: House for Obamacare subsidies. That is a very clear indication
Speaker 4: that we do not have very tough people. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: have a bunch of Democrat lights in the House and
Speaker 4: probably in the Senate. You think Susan Collins, you think
Speaker 4: Lisa Murkowski, you think Ram Paul, you think who else
Speaker 4: you got? Mitch McConnell's still in there. Even if we
Speaker 4: nuke the filibuster, you'd have to presume two things, One
Speaker 4: that we have enough votes to do so, and secondly
Speaker 4: that once we do so, we'd have enough political will
Speaker 4: to accomplish the truly important critical pieces that will save America.
Speaker 2: And I don't think we have either.
Speaker 7: That's exactly why we need to try to do it though,
Speaker 7: so our people can see. Remember, the Dred Scott case
Speaker 7: is considered to be one of the key components that
Speaker 7: led to the end of slavery in America. We lost
Speaker 7: that case, but people got to see the US Supreme
Speaker 7: Court look at a black man and say that's not
Speaker 7: a person, it's property. And that clarifying that, that clarifier
Speaker 7: I the abolitionist movement in the next era to do
Speaker 7: what must be done to win. And so I think
Speaker 7: we need to try these things, even if they fail
Speaker 7: to spur on our people so that what comes after
Speaker 7: Trump then is even more zealous for the kinds of
Speaker 7: things we're talking about now that they fully know who
Speaker 7: and what it truly is that we are aligned with.
Speaker 4: Interesting, you might have just convinced me I've been really
Speaker 4: wavering on this. I think Blake, Blake you're probably a
Speaker 4: little bit on the other side of that argument, and
Speaker 4: I've just been I admittedly i've been in the mushy
Speaker 4: middle because I could see it going, like I'm gaming
Speaker 4: it out how we could do this, and I don't,
Speaker 4: but you might.
Speaker 2: Have convinced, Yeah, it's it's just tough. It's tough, very hard.
Speaker 4: We don't have the soldiers in the field right now.
Speaker 4: But there's a.
Speaker 5: Line like in science that science progresses one funeral at
Speaker 5: a time, and I feel like Republican courage progresses one
Speaker 5: retirement at a time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just had another retirement announce in Washington State. Okay,
Speaker 4: so we wanna get immigration done. We would all go
Speaker 4: in favor of an immigration moratory. How many votes? So
Speaker 4: let's set the filibuster nuking the filibusters side. Let's assume
Speaker 4: that we can do that. Let's assume we get fifty
Speaker 4: plus one. What happens next? How many US Senators would
Speaker 4: vote for an immigration moratorium right now?
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 7: I don't think there's any chance it would pass, but
Speaker 7: I think our people need to have this.
Speaker 2: How many do you think we get? Ten?
Speaker 3: You think I bet you get I bet you get it.
Speaker 7: I bet you get twenty or twenty five because now
Speaker 7: they're votes on the record, and you have to understand,
Speaker 7: the way the Republican Party establishment works is an incumbency
Speaker 7: protection racket, right, So they don't want a lot of
Speaker 7: these things to even come up for a vote because
Speaker 7: they don't want the base to know just truly how
Speaker 7: weak a lot of the people.
Speaker 3: That are voting for really are.
Speaker 7: And so this kind of clarifier, you're gonna get the
Speaker 7: people that were never with us, They're gonna get more
Speaker 7: emboldened to be So then you're gonna get some squishy
Speaker 7: people who don't want to be known that they're on
Speaker 7: the wrong side of history here that would like to
Speaker 7: keep collecting those pension points there in Washington, DC. So
Speaker 7: I would guess we'd probably get half the Republican Senators
Speaker 7: to vote for it.
Speaker 5: It's even more treacherous than that, Steve, because think of
Speaker 5: what happened with Obamacare, for example, where the Republicans would
Speaker 5: endlessly hold those symbolic votes to repeal and replace Obamacare
Speaker 5: because they knew it was not going to pass. So
Speaker 5: what was you have in our Senate? How many of
Speaker 5: them would vote for the full immigration moratorium as long
Speaker 5: as they had ironclad confidence it was not actually going
Speaker 5: to pass. And then if it seemed, oh, we have
Speaker 5: fifty eight Republican senators, we could conceivably pass it, Suddenly
Speaker 5: everyone gets shaky. There's problems with it. You have the
Speaker 5: ghost of John McCain possess somebody and say, oh, I'm
Speaker 5: actually going to vote with the Dems on this one.
Speaker 4: So well, and here's the thing. You could do a
Speaker 4: net zero immigration moratorium.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So the estimates are around two hundred to three hundred
Speaker 4: thousand people US citizens and immigrants. Foreign born residents leave
Speaker 4: the United States every year two to three hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: So it's not like you're not allowing some movement of humanity.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: You can bring in a new h one v if
Speaker 5: you spawn, if you get somebody else to.
Speaker 2: Live, and you have to pay one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: I'm just picturing like a tech company and maybe Microsoft
Speaker 5: or something, and they find refugees and they just say,
Speaker 5: we'll pay you fifty thousand dollars, will resettle you in
Speaker 5: this colony in a cheap country like Panama or something
Speaker 5: like Trump can stand up like that, you're dumping people
Speaker 5: there so they can bring in tech workers.
Speaker 3: Trump can stand up on jokers right now, he can.
Speaker 7: He can stand up like the joker, break the custick
Speaker 7: in half and say we're gonna have tryout, all right,
Speaker 7: all right, and so you've got to get before you.
Speaker 3: Can come in.
Speaker 4: This is yeah, I mean listen, but I actually think
Speaker 4: some of these ideas. So a lot of people look, okay, okay,
Speaker 4: Trump gold card, right that the Trump card or whatever?
Speaker 4: Five million dollars people, And you know, I posted something
Speaker 4: on on X and people are like something about how
Speaker 4: you know a piece of paper doesn't make you an
Speaker 4: American And they're like, yeah, we agree, what about the
Speaker 4: Trump card. It's like, okay, we have have to have
Speaker 4: a sum pragmatism in here. We have to look at
Speaker 4: you know, for example, I'm against h one B's, but
Speaker 4: I'm pro genius visas, so why can't they have more
Speaker 4: geniuses moving.
Speaker 5: At this point, I often just look at what China
Speaker 5: does because they're just a country that doesn't hate themselves,
Speaker 5: even if they're ideologically very different. And China has immigrants,
Speaker 5: they just have very few. They find a world class
Speaker 5: expert in something and they say, come here, we'll pay
Speaker 5: you a million dollars a year, two million dollars a year,
Speaker 5: and you have to teach these native Chinese everything, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine that.
Speaker 3: If you look at if you look at the H
Speaker 3: one B program.
Speaker 7: Guys, right now, there's about as many H one B
Speaker 7: visas in America as there are college educated people in
Speaker 7: the unemployment line. And so we keep being told that
Speaker 7: Americans cannot do these jobs. So let me repeat that
Speaker 7: there's about as many college degreed people in the unemployment
Speaker 7: line in America right now as we have H one
Speaker 7: B visas. I mean, if we're graduating from college and
Speaker 7: you cannot even do baseline H one B visa work,
Speaker 7: then I think we should seriously consider why we even
Speaker 7: have college, which is a universities. And in the first place,
Speaker 7: what are they other than learning how to become a
Speaker 7: gay race communist. What are they doing there?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Well, you know it kind of I hate to I mean,
Speaker 4: that's a funny line and I want to enjoy the moment,
Speaker 4: but for some reason it it made me think of
Speaker 4: poor Ella Cook at Brown University. You know, these the
Speaker 4: the radical environment that she was living around, and we're
Speaker 4: waiting on confirmation that she was indeed targeted. But I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be honest, like it's hitting me. Like, you know,
Speaker 4: the story didn't hit me as hard at first. It
Speaker 4: felt sad and sympathy and I said a prayer for
Speaker 4: her and her family. But as the days go on
Speaker 4: and I sit with this, it's hitting me hard. I'm
Speaker 4: like I'm having you know, it's hitting closer to home
Speaker 4: because I think, but what happened to Charlie, and it
Speaker 4: just is breaking my heart.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, these.
Speaker 4: Universities, they had a lot of federal funding, they get
Speaker 4: a lot of prop you know, they propped up and
Speaker 4: they're you know, you're indoctrinating your your children. You're you're
Speaker 4: playing Russian Roulette with their values. Steve Dace, we are
Speaker 4: going to see you this weekend, my friend.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4: That was a really fun conversation, Soky.
Speaker 2: Guys, we appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 7: We'll see it anytime I see you tomorrow, probably you
Speaker 7: bet God bless.
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