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Speaker 1: you all America. I'm Hugh Hewitt in Relief Doctors Studio

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Speaker 1: East inside the Beltway.

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Speaker 2: It's cold, and boyd we have.

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Speaker 1: We had win last night that I actually kind of

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Speaker 1: almost thought, may have to go to the basement. Didn't

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Speaker 1: quite sound like a train. That's what we were trained

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Speaker 1: in Ohio all those years. If it sounds like a train,

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Speaker 1: go to the basement. Wasn't quite like a train. But

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Speaker 1: they're trees down all over the place. Nobody that I

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Speaker 1: know is injured, so that's good news. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people got injured, batties, bad guys in Iran.

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Speaker 2: Actually they got killed yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I'm reading from Iran International English right now. The Israeli

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Speaker 1: Airstrak killed Iran's top security official Ali Laren. Johnny also

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Speaker 1: killed his deputy at the Supreme National Security Council Ali Batteri,

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Speaker 1: as well as Lara Janni's son, who served as his

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Speaker 1: sfessional assistant, in Formed sources told Iran International Kassim Korayashi,

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Speaker 1: deputy out of the besieged paramilitary organization, was also killed

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Speaker 1: in the Israeli strike on the besiege meeting. The sources

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Speaker 1: said the meeting was able to discuss how to confront

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Speaker 1: potential protests during the Persian Festival of Fireworks Wednesday, which

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Speaker 1: is now under way in Iran. Well, not many people

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Speaker 1: putting up their hand to replace Laren Johnny. I think

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Speaker 1: they've got to have someone. And I've said it. I

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Speaker 1: said it on Fox News two hours ago, and I'll

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Speaker 1: say it to you right now. There was a period

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Speaker 1: of time in the eighties when I was in the

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Speaker 1: Reagae administration when the Soviet leader would keep dying. Breizhnev

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Speaker 1: died then and Bop died, then Chernenko died. Then we

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Speaker 1: got Gorbachev. So maybe eventually we will get someone with

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Speaker 1: whom President Trump can deal, but not yet. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to the tape President Trump had the I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if he's the president. I think these Ireland's president Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Michael Martin and the Oval for our gaggle today

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Speaker 1: Cut number five.

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Speaker 3: We're not ready to leave yet, but we will be

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Speaker 3: leaving in the near future.

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Speaker 4: We'll be leaving in pretty much the very near future.

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Speaker 3: But right now they've been decimated from every standpoint. And

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Speaker 3: again we've had great support from countries in the Middle East,

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Speaker 3: great support, but we've had no support from essentially no

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Speaker 2: That's a very bad thing.

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham joined me today and casting into an eye

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Speaker 1: at NATO and saying, what have we been defend you

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Speaker 1: for for all these years? And maybe this is the

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Speaker 1: moment that the pivot really begins.

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Speaker 2: Europe. You're on your own. Take care of yourself.

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Speaker 1: You're no good to the world, You're no good to anybody.

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Speaker 1: Help the Ukrainians. We've got to take care of the

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Speaker 1: Pacific where the China threat is because the EU is

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Speaker 1: completely nuts and we're not getting any ships from anyone,

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Speaker 1: not even a symbolic mind sweeper from our special relationship

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Speaker 1: ally Great Britain. What a shame. Michael Martin. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I want to jump down this. There's a bust of

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Speaker 1: Winston Churchill in the Oval now, I don't expect Donald

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Speaker 2: But cu cut number twelve.

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Speaker 3: You see that man, Dad, You know that is Winston

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Speaker 3: the late Great Winston Churchill. And Barack Cusay Obama did

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Speaker 3: not want his bust in this office, did you know?

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Speaker 3: And Barack Cusain Obama sent that bus back to England.

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Speaker 4: They didn't want it.

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Speaker 5: There Winston Churchill.

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Speaker 3: And you know, unfortunately, here is not Winston Churchill.

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Speaker 1: Here is not an ouch, not even close to Winston Churchill.

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Speaker 1: Back to the joint gaggle, the President is asked about

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Speaker 1: how much Iran means to him, Cut number six.

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Speaker 4: Iran is just a military operation.

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Speaker 3: To me, Iran is something that was essentially largely over

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Speaker 3: We have all the There's nothing they can do right

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Speaker 4: And it was a decision I made.

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Speaker 3: Were discussed Pete Marco jd All of US Chris, we

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Speaker 3: discussed it. We can knock out their electricity in a

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Speaker 4: There's nothing they can do about it.

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Speaker 5: We can knock out their oil and carg Island.

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Speaker 3: The only thing we didn't take down was the role

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Speaker 3: because if we knock out I call them the pipes

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Speaker 3: for effort to rebuild, meaning whoever and hopefully it's a

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Speaker 4: But whoever it is, it's going to be running that and.

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Speaker 3: We're going to try to get people that are going

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Speaker 3: be a prosperous, wonderful place.

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Speaker 4: It used to be.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you go back, it used to be

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Speaker 4: And it used to be very successful.

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Speaker 5: Now it's a country run by fear.

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Speaker 4: It's a country where they.

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Speaker 3: Tell protesters don't go out because if you do, we're

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Speaker 2: He's right about that.

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Speaker 1: It used to be a very prospering country. It was

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Speaker 1: progressing well under the Shaw until he was deposed in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. Now I want to talk about a

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Speaker 1: I don't know Congressman Kent. He was a congressman for

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Speaker 1: come six Bronze stars, so he's a war hero. He's

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Speaker 1: Long War. So the man who sacrificed for the country.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to make fun of him. But he

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Speaker 2: Is just not right.

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Speaker 1: And he got asked the president got asked about Joe

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Speaker 4: Well, I read it say, but I always thought he

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Speaker 3: I didn't know him well, but I thought it seemed

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Speaker 3: because he said that Iran was not a threat. Iran

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Speaker 3: The question is whether or not they wanted to do

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Speaker 3: military scholars, are saying for years that presidents should have

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Speaker 3: taken out Iran because they wanted a nuclear weapon. They

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Speaker 3: ever made by Barack Hussein and Oboba. Remember when they

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Speaker 3: said Boeing seven fifty seven's over there, loaded with cash,

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Speaker 3: This was a wonderful they said. Hundreds of people forget that.

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Speaker 3: Does anybody remember, right? You remember hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 4: Seven fifty seven. I think that two of them loaded.

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Speaker 3: They took the seats out and they put cash, and

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Speaker 3: it was so much that there wasn't a bank in Virginia.

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Speaker 3: They stripped them of all their money, put it into place,

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Speaker 5: That's not going to happen with Trump. And nobody ever.

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Speaker 3: Did anything about it. Nobody ever said anything of it.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine if I did that. So they've been

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Speaker 3: he made, the Iran nuclear deal, you would have had

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Speaker 3: when somebody is working with us that says they didn't think.

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Speaker 4: Iran was a threat, we don't.

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Speaker 3: Want those people because and there are some people I

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Speaker 3: guess I would say that, but they're not smart people

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Speaker 5: Iran was a tremendous threat and virtually every.

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Speaker 1: I think they're very full of very very In fact,

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Speaker 4: Over not supporting you on this apercussion.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I just think that it's not good for

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Speaker 4: Not going to help.

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Speaker 3: As they say, what you did is a great thing,

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Speaker 2: You know, I cannot.

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Speaker 1: I've always been a big fan of NATO and believed

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Speaker 1: they're not so makes you wonder, really, NATO not too

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Speaker 1: sure about it.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned, America. I'm euculate. Welcome back, America. I'm here, Hewett.

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Speaker 1: Josh Holmes joins us from the Ruthless Podcast on the

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Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day. Not wearing green. That's dangerous to begin with,

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Speaker 1: mister Holmes. I hope you were wearing green this morning

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Speaker 1: when you take the Ruthless Podcast, were.

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Speaker 6: You, Hewett?

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Speaker 7: I neglected Micrane, I neglected Migraine. It was a huge oversight.

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Speaker 7: Josh Holmes, The moment that you stop having an intellectually

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 8: And it's not just politics that they have to focus on.

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Speaker 1: Josh Holmes. Happy Saint Patrick's Day, and we will be listening.

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Speaker 2: That's very funny. By the way, Tomorrow and Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Josh Holmes. Follow him at Josh Holmes followed

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: Drucker, senior political correspondent for The Dispatch. You should be

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Speaker 1: reading the Dispatch every day, David. It is month fifteen

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Speaker 1: How do you think the war has been conducted in

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Speaker 1: the eyes not of a partisan Trump hater, but of

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Speaker 1: an objected independent What do you think they're thinking right now?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't know if there's a thing is as

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Speaker 9: an objective independent. I think that I think that there

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Speaker 9: is a really good case to make that this has

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Speaker 9: been an extraordinarily successful military operation thus far. I think

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Speaker 9: one of the reasons why some people or many you know,

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Speaker 9: sort of rank and file voters may have a hard

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Speaker 9: time deciding whether this is a successful operation is because

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Speaker 9: the explanation for why we're there seems to shift from.

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Speaker 6: Day to day.

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Speaker 9: And you know, look, just as a political matter, I

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Speaker 9: think the President could have done a better job preparing

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Speaker 9: Americans for the possibility of war with Iran. And I

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Speaker 9: think it would do him a world of good politically

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Speaker 9: if he was just able to say, once in a while, listen,

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Speaker 9: weren't war. It's difficult, there may be some dark days,

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Speaker 9: but here are objectives, and here's why this is all

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Speaker 9: worth it his pension for just saying, hey, listen, man,

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Speaker 9: there's not much to worry about. This is easy, everything's fine.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if it's the real estate mogul in

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Speaker 9: him or what, but I just think I think Americans

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Speaker 9: understand that war is difficult and may not be great

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Speaker 9: every single day, and that they're inherent risks. And as

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Speaker 9: I told you, Hugh, there's a great case to make

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Speaker 9: that the risk of continuing with diplomacy after almost fifty

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Speaker 9: years was more risky than going to war at this point,

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Speaker 9: given everything we've experienced over the past couple of years

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Speaker 9: and what we know.

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Speaker 6: I just think the president likes.

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Speaker 9: To make everything sound like Venezuela, and this is not

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Speaker 9: like Venezuela. And so I think, you know, depending on

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Speaker 9: how he talks about this will determine how you know

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Speaker 9: that objective voter out there looks at it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Last night he said I could take Cuba whenever I want.

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Speaker 1: And by that I said on Special Report, I hope

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Speaker 1: he takes them to freedom. But Ben Rhoads of all

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Speaker 1: people nicknamed Hamas and Obama Whitehouse, Ben Rhodes went on

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Speaker 1: X to say, Venezuela, Iran, kibba, this is what an

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Speaker 1: authoritarian does in just this year. Authoritarians also do not

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Speaker 1: tend to abide by of the Supreme Court. That they

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Speaker 1: hate the decision and they're very angry about, but they

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Speaker 1: abide by the decision because they are a president in

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Speaker 1: a constitutional structure.

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Speaker 2: So I think Ben Roads is nuts.

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of the Democratic Party has

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Speaker 1: gone nuts on this. David, How can they not stand

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Speaker 1: with the people of Iran right now?

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Speaker 9: Well, listen, I mean I think it depends how you

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Speaker 9: look at it. If you talk to a lot of Democrats,

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Speaker 9: they will tell you that they think Iran is a

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Speaker 9: horrible regime and that they wouldn't, you know, shed any

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Speaker 9: tears of the regime was no more.

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Speaker 1: But they take issue with.

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Speaker 9: The President declining to go to Congress for an authorization vote,

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Speaker 9: and they think the administration has been too opaque in

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Speaker 9: explaining its objectives and why now. And you know, I

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Speaker 9: think there's a lot more nuanced democratic thought than coming

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Speaker 9: out of Ben Rhodse, who is reflexibly against these sorts

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Speaker 9: of things no matter who does it, and when they

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Speaker 9: do it, they.

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Speaker 1: Look a lot like always against Trump all the time,

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Speaker 1: no matter what the issue or the outcome.

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Speaker 2: It's not a good look. Will they open it? We

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Speaker 2: got forty five seconds.

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Speaker 1: Will they open DHS before we have a major terrorist

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Speaker 1: incident here?

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Speaker 6: David, I couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 9: It'll be interesting to see if there's more urgency on

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Speaker 9: this front.

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Speaker 2: Should they feel more urgency?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think they should.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, David M. Drucker on X. Thank

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Speaker 1: you great live shot outside. I don't know it looks

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Speaker 1: cold wherever you are, but thank you for joining us

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Speaker 1: from outside, mister Drucker. It's it got very cold very

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Speaker 1: quickly back in the Beltway. I came back on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: It was a breezy sixty and then last night some

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Speaker 1: front blew in and almost blew over all the houses,

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Speaker 1: lots of trees, and.

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Speaker 2: It just got as cold as can be. I got

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Speaker 2: my father in a mountain.

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Speaker 1: I did not gonna lie. I got it done. Don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere, America. I'm Hugh Hewett more coming up America

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Speaker 1: to the Uhwit Show. On Saint Patrick's Day. Byron York

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Speaker 1: joins me. Byron's probably English for the last name York,

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Speaker 1: so we'll overlook that. Byron Welcome, Senior writer for the

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Speaker 1: Washington Examiner, Fox News contributor extraordinaire. But I have a

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Speaker 1: column in the Examiner tomorrow morning arguing that the anti

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Speaker 1: military bias, which has existed in the Washington d c.

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Speaker 1: Press corps for decades, is really coming out big time

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Speaker 1: in the first seventeen days of the conflict with Iran.

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Speaker 1: Do you see it or am I imagining it?

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 11: I have interpreted all of this, and I'm sure we

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Speaker 11: would agree on all of this press coverage, but I

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Speaker 11: have interpreted it all as anti Trump. That there is

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Speaker 11: an anti Trump reflex that is so powerful it is

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Speaker 11: just going off and going off and going off. So

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Speaker 11: that Jake Tapper can say all the reporters, all the

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Speaker 11: reporters want the United States to succeed, and I believe that.

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Speaker 11: But I think if you sort of put them under

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Speaker 11: truth sermon, do they want Donald Trump to succeed? And

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Speaker 11: I think it would be a very very different answer.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years ago, Terry Moran, he was with ABC then,

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Speaker 1: he's gone now, but he was with ABC then, was

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Speaker 1: my guest, and we're talking about this.

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Speaker 2: This is a quote. There is, Hugh.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, a deep anti military bias in

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Speaker 1: the media, one that begins from the premise that the

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Speaker 1: military must be lying and that the American projection of

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Speaker 1: power around the world must be wrong. That's more than

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Speaker 1: a decade before Donald Trump came down the escalator. I

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Speaker 1: think it's deeply embedded in the media.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is.

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Speaker 11: And look, the military deserves scrutiny just like any other

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Speaker 11: part of government. The amounts of money that the taxpayer

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Speaker 11: money that's given to them is just unbelievable. So they

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Speaker 11: deserve all the you know, lots and lots of scrutiny,

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Speaker 11: especially over spending. But right now they're inaction, they're in

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Speaker 11: harm's way, and much as they did in Venezuela, they're

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Speaker 11: performing with incredible skill in preparation, and so you it

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Speaker 11: does seem that a number of people in the press,

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Speaker 11: and it's pretty far spread across the press, has kind

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Speaker 11: of a rooting interest in pointing out the likelihood of failure.

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Speaker 2: Of this.

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Speaker 11: Actor or that act.

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Speaker 1: But actually people saying, oh, dear goodness, we killed Lara

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Speaker 1: Jani and he was the moderate, he's the head of

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Speaker 1: the secret police.

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Speaker 11: Well look, you you could certainly have a political argument

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Speaker 11: about what's the right thing to do in this case.

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Speaker 11: I wish we had had a broader political argument before

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Speaker 11: the invasion of Iraq. I wish there had been more conservatives,

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Speaker 11: more Republicans who were skeptical, as people like George will were,

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Speaker 11: of invading Iraq. So that's okay, that just doesn't bother

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Speaker 11: me much at this point.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me switch subjects on you, because the talking

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Speaker 1: philibust jer is underway. We've carried Marshall Blackburn, We've carried

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. I'm not going to carry more of it

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Speaker 1: because it's going to be there tomorrow and next day

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Speaker 1: and the next day.

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Speaker 2: How does this end, Byron.

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Speaker 11: Well, I don't know. But if it ends in, if

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Speaker 11: it ends in voter ID. I think we all owe

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Speaker 11: the people who came up with this tactic and carried

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Speaker 11: it out.

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Speaker 6: Thanks.

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Speaker 11: I mean, because you have a situation in which you've

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Speaker 11: discussed it many times. Peugh says eighty three percent of

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Speaker 11: those polled favor photo voter ID to vote. That includes

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Speaker 11: seventy percent of Democrats, it includes people of all races.

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Speaker 11: It's just all across the line. Americans support voter ID.

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Speaker 11: You have one party that, for whatever it's reasons, is

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Speaker 11: wants to just throw its body across, you know, across

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Speaker 11: the rails to stop this, and if Republicans can come

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Speaker 11: up with a way to make it pass, I think

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Speaker 11: we should thank that people who did it.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: Now, I am in agreement with that up to a point,

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Speaker 1: which is Mike Lee has said online and I believe

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Speaker 1: senatively that the nuclear option will not be used at

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Speaker 1: any step in this process. Nuclear option is a disaster

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Speaker 1: for the Senate. Do you agree with me about that?

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Speaker 1: That the nuclear option? Okay, so do you understand it

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Speaker 1: as I understand it that the talking filibuster has.

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Speaker 2: Nothing to do.

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Speaker 1: They will never resort to the nuclear option to get

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Speaker 1: this thing, because what's going to eventually happen, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: get tired.

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Speaker 11: Well yeah, I mean, look that's what they say. So

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Speaker 11: but the I agree with you about the nuclear option,

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Speaker 11: and I think terrible things have been done basically killing

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Speaker 11: off other parts of the silibuster have been done with

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Speaker 11: the nuclear option. So I don't want to see it again.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this thing will go on and at the

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Speaker 1: end of it when there isn't a quorum, because that's

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Speaker 1: what will happen is the Democrats will call for a

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Speaker 1: quorum and the Republicans will be asleep and they won't

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Speaker 1: be able to get there whatever happens, because you can't leave.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone get blamed? Does John Thune? This is sort

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Speaker 1: of theater that the leader has to do because his

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Speaker 1: party wants to do it until he's doing it. How

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Speaker 1: long do they have to do it for for the

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Speaker 1: base to be satisfied.

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Speaker 11: I think they have to do it for a long time.

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Speaker 6: I have to do it.

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Speaker 11: They have to do it as if they believe. If

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Speaker 11: they believe it, what.

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Speaker 2: Is that though, I mean, we're running a war here

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Speaker 2: Byron this is and the DHS. You know, we can't

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Speaker 2: vote on the DHS appropriation.

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Speaker 11: I mean, well, you know listen. That's another thing. I've

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Speaker 11: just been writing this afternoon about this absolutely insane partial

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Speaker 11: government shutdown, which is just just an outrage, just a

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Speaker 11: complete outrage given what's going on in the world right now.

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Speaker 1: So if the Democrats came over and said, we'll vote

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Speaker 1: to reopen DHS, if you stopped the talking philiboust, would

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Speaker 1: you take that deal?

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Speaker 11: Boy? That's a that's an interesting idea. It's a it's

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Speaker 11: a very short term concession that they're probably going to

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Speaker 11: have to make anyway, you know, and you give up

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Speaker 11: the chants for actual voter id which would be a

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Speaker 11: major reform across the country. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, where do you think the Marines are going?

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Speaker 1: I opened up on Fox Newsday with them at John Roberts.

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Speaker 1: They could be going to Yemen. They might just be

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Speaker 1: floating off the coat. Marines can do a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: People should reacall signed chaos. Jim Madison's memoir General madis

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Speaker 1: they can do a lot of different things. What do

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Speaker 1: you think they're going to do?

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Speaker 11: I have no idea. I have no idea. I mean,

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Speaker 11: this has been first of all, the the US military

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Speaker 11: enforces have kept the element of surprise for me a

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Speaker 11: number of times. So when you you hew had asked me,

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Speaker 11: by York, what are the Marines going to do? My

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Speaker 11: correct answer is I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That is would that more people have the willingness to

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Speaker 1: step forward and say I haven't.

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Speaker 2: I'm a civilian.

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Speaker 1: I'm not in a chain of command, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: adjacent to the chain of command the Gang of Eight or.

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Speaker 2: Mark Rubio or the Vice Press. I have no idea

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Speaker 2: that would actually be that would be the.

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Speaker 1: Best thing for analysts to do, not a surprise that

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Speaker 1: Byron York said.

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Speaker 2: So Byron New York, thank you. Don't go anywhere America.

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Speaker 2: I'll be right back on the Hewits.

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Speaker 4: I love my glasses.

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Speaker 5: I got a crazy teacher. You wear stark glasses.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'ms you hear what that music means.

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Speaker 1: Lilyx is in the house, as in James Lylyx, as

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Speaker 1: in the proprietor of James Lylyx dot substack dot com

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Speaker 1: and the bleet James, A good, good Tuesday to you.

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Speaker 1: We've got to cover five things in eight minutes. The War, Cuba,

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Speaker 1: the world after the war, During the war, the pace

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Speaker 1: of events and the press.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to press you to the wall.

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Speaker 1: First of all, your assessment of the war as it

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Speaker 1: stands seventeen days in.

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Speaker 6: I'm a called we haven't won.

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Speaker 10: I think it's time to just absolutely tuck our tail

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Speaker 10: and realize that we are equal to the task and

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Speaker 10: go home.

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Speaker 6: As far as I can tell, is stocked.

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Speaker 10: Is well stocked, you might say, overstocked with opportunities, with

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Speaker 10: people that shouldn't be in government, with places that are

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Speaker 10: full of nasty things, and we seem to know where

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Speaker 10: they are and seem to be able to find them

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Speaker 10: with the surprising regularity reading today about it is really strike.

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Speaker 10: Where they were two guys that they wanted to get.

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Speaker 10: They waited until they were the bunker. Then they bombed

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Speaker 10: the entrance and bombed the secret exit, and then bunker

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Speaker 10: busted the place itself. You know, we keep doing this

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Speaker 10: and they keep saying we will fight, fight, fight, But

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Speaker 10: every once in a while you'll get something through from

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Speaker 10: somebody in Tehran who says that you know, it's just waiting.

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Speaker 10: That the guys who used to stand on the street

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Speaker 10: corner and pull us out of our cars and beat

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Speaker 10: us are now afraid because they figured that there's drone

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Speaker 10: with their names circling overhead. And after seventeen days, I

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Speaker 10: think the assessment is is that the damage has been tremendous.

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Speaker 10: The Iranians have been set back lord knows how long,

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Speaker 10: and I think it's going.

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Speaker 6: Good from here. But then I agree, I know, I

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Speaker 6: just I just continue as much.

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Speaker 2: As anyone else is. I'm inting on it. Number two, Cuba.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Hey, will you vacation in Cuba

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Speaker 2: of the day it's free?

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Speaker 12: I will, No, I think I'll wait a little bit

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Speaker 12: before the building Code inspectors get in there and shore

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Speaker 12: up some of his b andbs, because we're talking, we're

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Speaker 12: talking in urban infrastructure that, while poetic and romantic and

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Speaker 12: ruined in many.

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Speaker 10: Ways, still does go back a long way. And let's

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Speaker 10: just say Cuba hasn't invested a great deal in maintenance.

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Speaker 12: No, I would love to go back to see it

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Speaker 12: restored to what it was before, you know, in the

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Speaker 12: Batista days.

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Speaker 10: And if they're smart, they'll keep the old cars, they'll

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Speaker 10: fix them up to polish.

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Speaker 6: Them, they'll give they'll you know, drop a new trainee.

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Speaker 10: In them there and we will have sort of this

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Speaker 10: Ricky Ricardo Lucille ball era of nineteen fifties Cuba, where

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Speaker 10: people can go back and gamble and have great times

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Speaker 10: of the beaches.

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Speaker 2: I would just gave me a great idea.

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Speaker 1: They ought to have a karshow there and invite all

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Speaker 1: of the American car they're crazy, car collectors are crazy

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Speaker 1: to be in with. But then invite John Campbell and

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Speaker 1: all of his buddies to go down there and just

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Speaker 1: bit on every old clunker that's driving around because they

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Speaker 1: haven't had a new car there in decades.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 6: It'll be fascinating and I can't wait.

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Speaker 10: I was reading today that they're actually starting to burn

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Speaker 10: Communist Party headquarters because they've been out of power forever

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Speaker 10: and water forever and internet forever.

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Speaker 6: So that finally the I mean, when.

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Speaker 10: You have the government saying, yeah, we're going to talk

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Speaker 10: to the we're going to talk to the Yanks.

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Speaker 6: We're going to see what we can do there.

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Speaker 10: This is unprecedented, and it's it's only a matter of

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Speaker 10: weeks I think before something happens. And Trump is saying that,

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Speaker 10: you know, he can have it if he wants it, frankly,

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Speaker 10: you know, and he may indeed be right.

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Speaker 6: What amuses me is that I'm fining. Now what amuses me?

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Speaker 6: Ben Rhoades. The other day, I think on Twitter, Ben Rose,

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Speaker 6: the old.

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Speaker 10: Of Obama guy, was saying that first of Venezuela and

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Speaker 10: now Iron and then and then then Cuba, changes of

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Speaker 10: government three times in three months.

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Speaker 6: We are seeing.

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Speaker 10: I think you put a levels of authoritarianism that we

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Speaker 10: hadn't visited before. But it is authoritarian, mind you to dismantle, disabled, destroy,

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Speaker 10: get rid of oppressive governments that had been there are

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Speaker 10: people under the boot for some cases years, in another

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Speaker 10: cases decades.

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Speaker 6: But that is a definition of authoritarianism. By that definition, FDR.

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Speaker 6: You know, FDR only wanted to get rid.

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Speaker 10: Of two governments in Germany and Italy, so he wasn't

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Speaker 10: as bad as he was still bad.

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Speaker 1: You know what I like about the authoritarian thing, James.

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Speaker 1: The thing that makes Trump the most angry in the

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Speaker 1: last year and a half, for fifteen months since he's

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Speaker 1: been there, is that the Supreme Court overturned his chariffs

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Speaker 1: and he complied with the ruling, which isn't really how authoritarian.

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Speaker 1: They normally just arrest the judges, right, He's not an authoritarian.

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Speaker 1: Stupid Ben Rose went to Fidel Castro's funeral for goodness sake.

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Speaker 10: Really literally, an authoritarian would have said, the Marshal of

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Speaker 10: the Supreme Court is one of our accommentators called it

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Speaker 10: to arrest everybody or tried to pack the court or

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Speaker 10: something like that.

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Speaker 6: But he complied. We didn't hear him say how many

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Speaker 6: are you know? How many divisions of the Supreme Court have?

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Speaker 6: He went along with it. So yeah, bad, authoritarian.

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Speaker 1: Bad bad.

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Speaker 2: Now i't to talk to you about the world. In

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Speaker 2: the pace of the world.

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Speaker 1: In fifteen months, we've had Venezuela, Iran, the war, and

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Speaker 1: now the Cuban revolution within a revolution.

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Speaker 2: Can we keep up.

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Speaker 1: At this page for another two years and eleven months?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's not up to us, is it.

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Speaker 10: I mean, you have moment, you have pivotal times, and

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Speaker 10: when history seems to change in turn. I mean, there's

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Speaker 10: the old line about Lanta. There is decades when nothing happens,

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Speaker 10: and there are weeks when decades.

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Speaker 6: Happened, and this seems to be one of those.

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Speaker 10: I remember back in college when a friend of mine

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Speaker 10: was just enthused by what was happening in Nicaragua and

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Speaker 10: Cube and and Iran because the people were finally overthrowing

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Speaker 10: bad governments and having it And of course Nicaragua disaster,

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Speaker 10: Iran a disaster, but it was a mood of the time.

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Speaker 6: There was sort of this odd that people are rising

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Speaker 6: up and things are.

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Speaker 10: Changing, and periodically it swoops to various parts of the

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Speaker 10: world called our revolutions. Here you know, the Berlin Wall

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Speaker 10: falls there. But sometimes you feel as if there's a

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Speaker 10: geist to foot. There's a zeitgeist a foot in the land,

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Speaker 10: filling the sales in a way that we haven't seen before.

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Speaker 10: And when you have governments that nobody ever thought were

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Speaker 10: going to be changed. Nobody thought Cube was going to change,

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Speaker 10: Nobody thought Venezuela or Rand When all of a sudden

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Speaker 10: it seems that they're much more frangible than we thought.

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Speaker 10: Then who knows what it emboldens Elsewhere? The spirit does

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Speaker 10: not seem to be going against freedom and government that

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Speaker 10: is good to its people, and the reason for that

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Speaker 10: is muscular action by the United States to show how

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Speaker 10: it can be done, which also illustrates the paucity really

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Speaker 10: of effort that the end our adversaries, the Chinese and

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Speaker 10: the Russians can muster.

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Speaker 6: So between Ukrain hanging on for four years and the

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Speaker 6: rest of.

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Speaker 1: The think the Scandinavians can summon up the will to

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Speaker 1: revolt against the EU get out.

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Speaker 6: No, no, I don't believe so. No.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 10: I think frankly that they're too concerned about being very,

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Speaker 10: very nice and calm and having dry handshakes and nodding

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Speaker 10: in nice white rooms to ever do anything about the.

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Speaker 1: The last question the American media is not if it's

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Speaker 1: not defeats, it's least intent on demoralizing the people. It's

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Speaker 1: not working. It's not working at all because they're alternatives.

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Speaker 1: But what's wrong with those people?

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Speaker 10: Well, again, you know, if you ain't Trump so much

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Speaker 10: that you have to pose anything that he does, and

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Speaker 10: you cannot possibly regard anything that he does in a

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Speaker 10: positive light, then you have to grudgingly say, well, I'm

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Speaker 10: not on the site of the Mullas, but this is

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Speaker 10: there's the wrong way to go about it. We were

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Speaker 10: so close to a deal. We could have talked jaw

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Speaker 10: jaw better than a war, war, et cetera. The contrarians

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Speaker 10: who don't want, essentially, you know, Trump to be able

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Speaker 10: to claim that's part of it. The other part of

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Speaker 10: it is is this instinctive war bad So we can't

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Speaker 10: do anything.

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Speaker 6: We shouldn't do anything, we mustn't do anything.

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Speaker 10: And even then it's sort of bothered by the fact

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Speaker 10: that this isn't like an old style you.

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Speaker 6: Know, Dresden City's burning.

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Speaker 5: This is pretty pretty, pretty pretty.

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Speaker 10: Targeted, and you know, you think that they'd have less

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Speaker 10: reservations about it, But the people who go into journalism

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Speaker 10: are generally the sort who just believe that muscular, rot robust,

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Speaker 10: kinetic action on behalf of national interest is something that

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Speaker 10: you have to pull long faces about. I remember, we

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Speaker 10: remember you remember back in the days when we first

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Speaker 10: started talking that there was a song that we played

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Speaker 10: arms for the Love of America.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, great big patriotics, So for the love of America,

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Speaker 6: because that's what the popular culture was then.

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Speaker 10: I mean, part of it, of course, was you know,

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Speaker 10: guys in governments saying let's all get behind this, right,

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Speaker 10: But there was the spirits after, especially after we were attacked,

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Speaker 10: that America was good and America should prevail.

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Speaker 6: And those things.

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Speaker 10: America is good and America should prevail are sentiments that

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Speaker 10: some people are just very queasy about because they're sort

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Speaker 10: of allready living in the twenty fourth century where the

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Speaker 10: Federation and has got rid of individual governments, and we're

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Speaker 10: all living on replicator food and saying you know whatever.

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Speaker 1: Now next rake, like you know next week, we're bringing

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Speaker 1: back arms for the love of America if we can remember.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 1: looks like the dread pirate Randy. Right now, Randy, You're okay,

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Speaker 1: it's not permanent.

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Speaker 13: We'll hope not chance. The odds are great that it's

886
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Speaker 13: not permanent. But I'm gonna enjoy the look while it lasts.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: I got to begin by saying, when Felony Review arrived

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Speaker 1: on the West Coast, I forgot to bring it. I said,

890
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: how and when was Randy Barnett a prosecutor?

891
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: And so I looked it up.

892
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: You were a Cook County Prosecutor's office, And how and

893
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: when did you write this book? Because you just wrote

894
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: your autobiography and before that you wrote like ten case

895
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: books and treatises on all sorts of When did you

896
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: write Felony Review? And when were you in the Cook

897
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Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's office.

898
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Speaker 13: Well, I was in the office from seventy seven to

899
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Speaker 13: eighty one, and I wrote the book as a spin

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Speaker 13: off of my memoir. I had a section in the

901
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 13: memoir about being a prosecutor. But the book, my memoir

902
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 13: got very long, as you know, Hugh, and I decided

903
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Speaker 13: to take those chapters off because it was a bit

904
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Speaker 13: of a diversion from my course of my career that

905
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Speaker 13: led me to be a constitutional law professor and a

906
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Speaker 13: constitutional litigator. And then what I was able to do

907
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 13: is blow them up into a separate book. And I

908
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Speaker 13: wrote that book over the last year and a half,

909
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Speaker 13: in which I was actually able to do some more

910
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 13: background on the cases I worked. I was able to

911
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Speaker 13: do background on the people I worked with and include

912
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Speaker 13: more cases than I could have squeezed into the previous memoir.

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Speaker 8: And it stood alone as a book.

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Speaker 13: That's probably the most entertaining read of any of the

915
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Speaker 13: books that I've written, because it is a a story

916
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Speaker 13: of true crime and corruption in Cook County, which was

917
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Speaker 13: at its peak of corruption at the time I was there.

918
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Speaker 13: And it evolves a series of short vignettes so that

919
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Speaker 13: you can read it a little piece at a time, but.

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00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 8: It goes, it goes quite quickly. Yeah, Branny, I'm excited.

921
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Speaker 1: Every year I use your casebook in Josh Blackman's casebook

922
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: when I teach. Now, I'm taking the semester off this

923
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Speaker 1: spring because of obligations to Fox and other folks, so

924
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm not teaching the semester, so I'll be using Barnett

925
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Speaker 1: and Blackman, and every year in the first class con

926
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Speaker 1: Law won I teach them, don't be a prosecutor. You

927
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: don't want to be a prosecutor. Every prosecutor I know

928
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: gets burned out and ends up either being a judge

929
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: or retiring after twenty Don't be a prosecutor. You want

930
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: a better kind of client. Don't be a prosecutor. The

931
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Speaker 1: hours are long, it pays horrible. People yell at you,

932
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: Jery's are crazy, don't be a prosecutor. Now I have

933
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: to tell them that the man whose book I relied

934
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Speaker 1: on for the last twenty years was a prosecutor. So

935
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: why did you make that choice? And how am I

936
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Speaker 1: going to get out of this pickle?

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Speaker 13: Well, your advice is right and it's wrong. In a minute,

938
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Speaker 13: I'll tell you why it's right and why it's wrong.

939
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Speaker 13: But anyway, I became a prosecutor because that's how I

940
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Speaker 13: became a lawyer. A television show came on TV called

941
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Speaker 13: The Defenders in the sixties, starting E. G. Marshall and

942
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Speaker 13: as the father and Robert Reed as the son and

943
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Speaker 13: a father's son criminal defense firm, filmed on location in

944
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Speaker 13: New York in black and white, very gritty, and it

945
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Speaker 13: wasn't like Perry Mason, which was about solving murders. It

946
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Speaker 13: was about the practice of law, and it captured my

947
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Speaker 13: imagination at the age of ten. It's what made me

948
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Speaker 13: want to be a lawyer. And even when I went

949
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Speaker 13: to Northwestern then Harvard Law School, and all my classmates

950
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 13: were saying, well, aren't I worried about wasting my degree

951
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 13: by being a county prosecutor. And my answer was, I

952
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Speaker 13: went to law school to do what I wanted to do,

953
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Speaker 13: not to do what I don't want to do. I

954
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Speaker 13: don't want to work for a law firm. And let

955
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Speaker 13: me just say this, it was better than TV. I

956
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Speaker 13: was so worried that when I finally got into the

957
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Speaker 13: practice of criminal law, I'd be disappointed because it wouldn't

958
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Speaker 13: live up to TV.

959
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Speaker 8: And it's really better than TV.

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Speaker 13: Until the Wire came on HBO, They've just been unable

961
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962
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 13: down to earth the criminal justice system is. And that's

963
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Speaker 13: what felon a review tries to show.

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Speaker 1: So why am I right? And why am I wrong?

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Speaker 1: In my advice to the con law students.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I'll say you why you're wrong.

967
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Speaker 13: You're wrong because in fact, it's a fantastic job. And

968
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Speaker 13: if there's something you dream about doing, do not give

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970
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 8: It was, you know, it was.

971
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Speaker 13: I had the time of my life and it's one

972
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Speaker 13: of them, and I wrote a book because it's the

973
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Speaker 13: most memorable time in my life. You're right, insofar as

974
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Speaker 13: you need an exit strategy. When you go in, you

975
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Speaker 13: need to go in with an idea of what you

976
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Speaker 13: want to do when you go out. Now, you could

977
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 13: be a career prosecutor. That's possible. People do it, and

978
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 13: if that's what you end up doing, that's great. But

979
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 13: most people who go in, they come out and they

980
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 13: have to do something else. Now, I had no problem

981
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Speaker 13: because I knew what I wanted to be. I wanted

982
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983
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Speaker 13: getting the job. But I knew what I wanted to be.

984
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Speaker 13: My son, who followed in my footsteps and became a

985
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Speaker 13: prosecutor in King's County, which is Brooklyn, New York, he

986
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Speaker 13: had a problem because he did not want to be

987
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990
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,160
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Speaker 1: I'm coming right back with Randy Barnett, author of the

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt.

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Speaker 1: Brandy Barnett's one of the country leading con law authorities.

1037
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Speaker 1: His casebook is the one I recommend everyone use constitutional

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Speaker 1: law cases in context. He writes it with Josh Blackman.

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Speaker 1: He has a brand new book out, Felony Review, Tales

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Speaker 1: of True Crime and Corruption Chicago. You know, Randy Jack

1041
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: Goldsmith wrote a book. You know, He's written lots of books,

1042
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Speaker 1: but his best book, in my opinion, was his memoir

1043
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Speaker 1: of growing up the step son of the accused murderer

1044
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Speaker 1: of who's buried in Giant Stadium. You know, the labor

1045
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: leader Hackeman. Yeah, Hafa, and so Goldsmith is the step

1046
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: son of the guy who was for a long time

1047
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Speaker 1: considered the button man on Haffun proved that he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling.

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Speaker 2: Felony Review is going to.

1050
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Speaker 1: Be the most riveting of your books because it's going

1051
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: to be about real people and murderers and stuff like that.

1052
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, the book starts off with me in

1053
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 13: a police interview room at three am taking a court

1054
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 13: reported statement by one of four of the Latin kings

1055
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Speaker 13: who had slaughtered by stabbing to death three guys who

1056
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 13: came into Chicago to buy some marijuana and how that happened.

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Speaker 8: And I spent ten or twelve hours.

1058
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 13: With this one of them getting is the first confession,

1059
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 13: and again getting a court reporter confession, and finally at

1060
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 13: the end of that confession, asking him if he had

1061
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 13: it to do all over again, would he do it again?

1062
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 13: And his answer was, well, if it was a sure thing.

1063
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Speaker 13: And I said, but there's no such thing as a

1064
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 13: sure thing. And he said, well, a lot of Latin

1065
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 13: kings have killed people without getting caught.

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Speaker 8: And I said, I know, but you got caught. Would

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Speaker 8: you do it again? And he said, I'd have killed

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00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 8: the first guy for sure. I'm not sure about the

1069
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 8: other two. That's the kind of book. This is their

1070
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Speaker 8: story of have you taught criminal pro?

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Speaker 2: Have you taught crim pro?

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Speaker 13: I have not taught criminal procedure. Taught substance of criminal law,

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Speaker 13: but not criminal procedure.

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Speaker 1: Why I love crimpro From Jerry Israel. We're about to

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Speaker 1: tay mate Cherry Israel caught at Michigan and I just

1076
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Speaker 1: loved it. But I've only been in one criminal trial

1077
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Speaker 1: in my life as a defendant lawyer, and I had

1078
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Speaker 1: to ask the prosecute for help because it was the

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00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: son of a friend of mine who was in trouble,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't know what I didn't know where to stand,

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Speaker 1: I know what to do?

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Speaker 8: How was yourself like?

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Speaker 13: It sounds like my sounds like the plot. It sounds

1084
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Speaker 13: like the plot of my cousin Vinnie.

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Speaker 2: Very much was.

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Speaker 1: But I threw myself on the mercy of the court

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Speaker 1: and we got the kid into diversion. But how in

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Speaker 1: the world did you end up with a capital case

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00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: on your first day?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Well, that it was a because I was in felony review.

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Speaker 13: Let me tell everybody what felony review is, because it

1093
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Speaker 13: doesn't exist everywhere, and that is there's a deal between

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Speaker 13: the Chicago Police Department and the Cook County State's Attorney's Office,

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Speaker 13: two different governmental agencies, and that the Chicago Police Department

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Speaker 13: cannot file capital, cannot file crypt felony charges against the

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Speaker 13: suspect unless a prosecutor signs off on it, which means

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Speaker 13: that it had to be created a unit of full

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Speaker 13: time prosecutors called felony Review, in which you have your

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Speaker 13: offices in the police station, you have your own squad car,

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Speaker 13: you work twelve hour shifts day shift or night shift,

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Speaker 13: and you respond to the police area headquarters or just

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Speaker 13: where the cases being considered, and you interview the witnesses,

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Speaker 13: and you interview the cops and you try to get.

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Speaker 8: Confessions from the defendants if you can.

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Speaker 13: And that was one of the cases I worked at

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Speaker 13: Area six on the North Side, in which I took

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Speaker 13: the confessions from two of the four of the two

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Speaker 13: of the four gang members who committed this crime, and

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Speaker 13: it ended they both ended up on Jeff Rowe until

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Speaker 13: Governor Ryan commuted their sentence to life imprisonment.

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Speaker 1: When Randy Barnett walks into the precinct and he's what

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Speaker 1: twenty three years old, freshly scrubbed.

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Speaker 8: Four twenty five, Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 2: Probably ill fitting suit, bad tie. What are the cops?

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Speaker 2: I think of sport.

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Speaker 13: Sport, sport, sport code and genes. They can tell if

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Speaker 13: you're on their side or not. And I was on

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Speaker 13: their side. I mean I was there to decide whether

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Speaker 13: the whether the evidence was there, but I was there

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Speaker 13: to work with them, and they liked me, and I

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Speaker 13: like them, and they used me many type. For example,

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Speaker 13: there would be times in which they had all their

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Speaker 13: guys had taken a run at defendants, at suspects in

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Speaker 13: terms of getting confessions. They needed the to somebody fresh

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Speaker 13: to do the interrogation, and I would come in and

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Speaker 13: I would do another interrogation.

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Speaker 8: So it was great to work with them.

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Speaker 13: Now, there were moments in which they were not happy

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Speaker 13: with me, and I talk about those in Felony Review.

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Speaker 13: And I actually had a case on the far South

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Speaker 13: Side where the homicide sex detectives stuck around to escort

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Speaker 13: me out of the building after I was doing my paperwork.

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Speaker 13: I didn't even know they were sticking around. But I

1135
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Speaker 13: think what they were trying to do was shield me

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Speaker 13: from the tactical officers who had done the arrest and

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Speaker 13: I denied the charges.

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Speaker 8: There I let the guy go, and they were.

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Speaker 13: There to protect me, I think, from being intimidated by

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Speaker 13: these tack officers in the middle of the night. I

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Speaker 13: didn't realize that was happening until they walked me to

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Speaker 13: my car.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Randy, I got to get one con law question in.

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Speaker 1: But first, how do you go from Harvard law to

1145
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: Coke County prosecutor? What happened in between?

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Speaker 8: Well, you don't do it because you have a Harvard

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Speaker 8: law degree.

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Speaker 13: I'll tell you that because when I applied for a

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00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 13: clerkship there I got turned down. I got the clerkship

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Speaker 13: which got me the job when the prosecutor who prosecuted

1151
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 13: the armed robbery of my grandfather and my brother in Harvey,

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00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 13: Illinois went to bat for me, and then all of

1153
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 13: a sudden the state's attorney's office changed their mind and said, oh,

1154
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Speaker 13: we do have a place for you after all.

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Speaker 8: And that's where I got my foot in the door.

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Speaker 13: And then by doing a good job as a clerk,

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Speaker 13: I had all kinds of people going to bat for

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Speaker 13: me to get the job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as a as a law clerk. Long ago, Abner

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Speaker 1: was on the Dsy circuit. I didn't clerk for him,

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Speaker 1: but I was on the circuit at that time, and

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Speaker 1: he told the story to all the clerks. He showed

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Speaker 1: up to volunteer for a campaign and in Cook's County

1164
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: he said, who sent you? He said, nobody sent me.

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Speaker 1: We don't want nobody there. Nobody sent So I'm amazed

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Speaker 1: that you ended up in Cooks County. Randy my Conlock

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Speaker 1: question what President Trump is doing or ordering the military

1168
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Speaker 1: to do in Iran, I am perfectly happy with and

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Speaker 1: I believe it's within his authority as commander.

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Speaker 2: In chief, what do you think.

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Speaker 8: I tend to share that view.

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Speaker 13: I mean, we have a very long history of presidents

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Speaker 13: dating all the way back to Thomas Jefferson sending the

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Speaker 13: Marines to fight the Barbary Pie, which without a declaration

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Speaker 13: of war, declaration of wars half legal consequence. And that's

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Speaker 13: one reason why you want to get one if you can.

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Speaker 13: But I'm not sure they're absolutely necessary, especially when a

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Speaker 13: country has declared war on us for the last forty

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Speaker 13: seven years. Death to America means something if it's coming

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Speaker 13: from a country that has nuclear weapons on the top

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Speaker 13: of ballistic missiles, and.

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Speaker 8: That's what around as.

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Speaker 13: And you know, I think at some point, shouting death

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Speaker 13: to the other country and taking doing everything in your

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Speaker 13: power to see that you get the capability of bringing

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Speaker 13: death to that country and having the blood of countless

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Speaker 13: servicemen and other civilians on your hands, that's enough to

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Speaker 13: justify military action.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, okay, I just wanted to double check

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Speaker 1: with my authority. Back to Felony Review. When you put

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Speaker 1: this book out, we have one minute. How did you

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Speaker 1: expect it to sell to prosecutors, the law students, to

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Speaker 1: friends of Randy Barnett? How did you expect Felony Review

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Speaker 1: to sell.

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Speaker 13: Well, I expect everybody in your audience to buy at

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Speaker 13: least one copy. This morning, I was on the I

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Speaker 13: was on Chicago talk radio and the meeting.

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Speaker 8: I hung up the phone.

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Speaker 13: I heard from a circuit court judge Inago in Chicago

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Speaker 13: who was a prosecutor when I was there, just to

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Speaker 13: compliment me on my appearance and looking forward to reading

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Speaker 13: the book.

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Speaker 8: I think if you're.

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Speaker 1: Running Chicago again during drive time home tonight, right now,

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Speaker 1: you're talking to Chicago again, so you might get more.

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Speaker 1: Old friend, call Randy Barnett, Professor Randy Barnett, author of

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Speaker 1: so many great books.

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Speaker 2: And now a Fellony Review.

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Speaker 1: It's right to talk to your heel up and I'll

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Speaker 1: see you soon. Don't go anywhere in America.

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Speaker 6: I'm hug doing