WEBVTT - Justice Is Coming! 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:07.840 I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.520 Mike Davis, the Viceroy, my colleague, got the Article three project, 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.280 will join us later in the program for a deep dive, 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.440 full ranging conversation about all the day's legal controversies. I'm 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.759 sure we'll talk about Ice and the Insurrection Act and 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.960 immigration more generally. Was to say about our nation's priorities 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:28.680 that many Democrats are objecting so strongly to the most foundational, 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.800 rudimentary notion that nation is only a nation because of 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.360 the borders. It enforces. All that and much more of 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.040 Mike Davis later on in this hour of The Josh 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.479 A. Hammer Show. But for now, I'm wanting to flag your attention. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.840 While we're on the topic of the law, while we're 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.199 on the issue of the courts, a big and I 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:50.320 mean big oral argument is happening today Tuesday, January twentieth, 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.920 at the US Corps Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.320 New Orleans, Louisiana. I know this court very well. Why 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.360 because I clerked on it. Because I clerk for the 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.400 Honorable Judge James C. Hoo, a Trump nominee to the 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.440 Fifth Circuit. I was one of Judge hosts First four 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.280 Law Clerks and the Fifth Circuit, which is historically and 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.479 still is one of the more conservative constitutionalist originalists appellate 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.759 courts in all of the federal juiciary. The Fifth Circuit, 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:21.200 which covers three states, namely Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, they say, 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.679 are hearing the consolidated oral argument out of two cases 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.600 with very similar fat patterns. That's why they've been consolidated 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.480 out of the states of Louisiana and Texas. Two of 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.240 the three states that the Fifth covers the basic fat 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.440 pattern in question is the state of Louisiana and then 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.120 the state of Texas, which did so just this past year. 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:46.479 In their twenty twenty five legislative session, they each passed 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:52.160 a law requiring some variation of the Ten Commandments the 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:57.040 Ten Commandment to be displayed in classrooms all throughout the state. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.640 Governor Jeff Landry of Louisiana signed that lawn to place 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.520 in Louisiana in twenty twenty four, two years ago, and 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.240 then Governor Greg Out of Texas signed a very similar 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:12.119 statute into law just last year in twenty twenty five. Now, 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.240 a lower court judge, a federal district court judge has 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.000 no doubt you're familiar by now they blocked it. This 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.640 notion of federal district judge is blocking these laws. We 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.600 discussed that at length. That's going to be an evergreen 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.880 topic for god knows how long here on the show. 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.880 But in this particular litigation, a federal district judge blocked 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:33.160 the Louisiana and Texas laws, respectively from coming into place. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.560 Three judges on the Fifth Circuit because normally appeals court 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.440 sits with three judges, So a three judge panel left 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.880 that flawed district court ruling in place. What followed then 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.320 was the judges of the Fifth Circuit then voting to 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.800 rehear this case in what is known as en banc fashion, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.320 meaning that all of the judges of the Fifth Circuit, 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.160 which again is one of the more right of center 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:00.360 courts in the country, they decided to hear all of 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.040 them today this case. And sure enough, that is exactly 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:09.840 what happened earlier today in New Orleans, Louisiana. Folks, this 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.960 question gets to the very heart of who we are 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:17.160 as a people. It cuts to the very core of 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.360 what it means to be part of the rule of law. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.680 Of whether American constitutionalism is ethereal, whether it is clouds 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.800 in the sky, whether it is tethered, whether it's anchored 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:33.320 in something deeper, something more transcendental, more natural, more biblical, 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:38.119 more godly. The argument that has been deployed by secularists 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.360 and leftists for longer than I've been alive to object 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.160 to public displays of things like the Ten Commandments is 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.600 they say that is prohibited by so called separation of 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:54.800 church and state. The problem, you will, no doubt notice, 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.240 is that those of you who've read the First Amendment, no, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:03:59.960 and for those of who don't know, I will inform 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.680 you know that particular verbiage is actually nowhere to be 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.640 found in the First Amendment to the Constitution. The First Ments. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:13.600 The Constitution reads in relevant parts as follows, quote Congress 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.240 shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:20.479 prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Those two clauses, respectively, are 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.680 typically referred to as the establishment clause and the free 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.880 exercise clause. The establishing clause is where you have leftists 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:32.560 and secularists who say that separation church and state is 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:37.840 codified as a principle, except it isn't. The actual text 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:43.320 says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.279 The actual history of the establishing clause, as just as 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.560 Clarence Thomas has explained in numerous Supreme Court opinions, and 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:57.120 as various constitutional law scholars such as Philip Hamburger have 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.120 explained as well in compelling and paints to makingly detailed 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:05.360 the meticulous legal scholarship, the Estallusian clause was actually a 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:10.559 federalism provision. In other words, it says that Congress shall 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.159 make no law respecting the establishment of religions, that the 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:20.000 states can do that, and sure enough they did. By 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.680 the time of the American founding, many, perhaps most, of 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:28.719 the colonies turned into nascent states, had established state churches. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.880 Think about it. Maryland was known as a place where 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.240 Catholics go. Pennsylvania was known as a place where Quakers go, 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:39.520 and on and on. Think about the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.280 which today is a leftist Bastian Senator Elizabeth Warren and 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.960 all that Massachusetts had an established church. It was the 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:50.720 Congregationalist Church. Well into the nineteenth century. It was eighteen 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.480 thirty three Massachusetts finally got rid of its established church. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:06:00.560 You see, America was a pluralistic society. No, it was 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.960 not a multicultural society. We'll get into the notion of 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.719 Somali fraud in Minnesota and what it means for immigration. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.840 I'm sure we're against that with the Viceroy Mike Davis 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.080 coming up shortly. But at the time of the founding 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:17.760 America was pluralistic necessarily when it comes to Somali's when 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.760 it comes to people from the Far East. Now, they're 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.960 pluralistic in the confines of the Biblical religions. Within the 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.640 confines above all Protestantism and to a lesser extent of 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:33.120 Judaism and Catholicism, and the various Protestant sects in particular 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.239 had to make sure that they were able to flourish 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.560 at a state level, Folks, this is a federalism provision. 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.599 So where you might ask does the notion of separation 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.120 of church and state come from, It comes actually from 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.719 a letter written by Thomas Jefferson when he was President 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.480 of United States in eighteen oh two. Jefferson wrote a short, 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.000 pithy letter two hundred and thirty three words in length, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.120 essentially the length of a long tweet, and he sent 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:10.200 this letter to the Baptist convention in Danbury, Connecticut. Why 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.000 it's actually a political letter. He was trying to make 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:19.000 political inroads for his party, the Democratic Republicans of Jefferson 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.720 and Madison, either trying to make inroads into the New 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.440 England clergy, which at that time were a political bastion 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.760 for the opposing party, the Federalist Party of Alexander Hamilton, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.800 John Adams, George Washington, and so forth. And it was 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.160 in this letter, this tweet of sorts, that Jefferson first 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.160 used the phrase separation of church and state, a wall 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.440 of separation, he refers to it. But Jefferson wind no 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.200 was in the First Amendment. He wasn't even there at 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:54.480 the Consortors convention. He was gallavanting off in pre revolutionary France, 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.640 palling around with the folks who soon will become the Jacobins, 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:03.000 engaging in the Garen and the reign of terror. As 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.440 William Ranquist persuasively put it in a nineteen eighties case 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:12.480 called Jeffrey Tamas, Jarrison is not someone whose thoughts in 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.200 the First Amendments seemed like particularly persuasive or compelling authority, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.320 and the notion of so called separationism, separation church of state, 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.960 was not actually codified as a matter of Supreme Court 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:28.360 case saw as being the effective, if not literal, language 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.760 of the Assagian cause. It was not read into the 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.559 clause until a somewhat obscure nineteen forty seven case called Everson, 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.600 a case out of New Jersey. In an essay this 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.440 past summer for the Harvard Journal lam Public Policy, my 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.280 two co authors and I argued that Eversin must fall 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.440 because Eversin versus Board of Education. This case that for 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:54.120 the very first time read separated church of state as 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:58.040 being incorporated to the states via the fourteenth Amendment. This 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:02.760 case was wrongly decided because there's no such thing actually 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.439 as so called separation. Sure, of course there's free exercise. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.079 I'm gonn observant Jew. I care quite a bit actually 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.160 about the free exercise of religion. But the two religion 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.560 clauses are complementary. They're not at loggerheads with one another. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:24.960 You could have various public facing forms of ecumenical geo 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:31.959 Christian inheritance, biblical teachings, maxims, and so forth, and also 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:37.800 protect private religion. They're not irreconcilable. They actually fit very 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:42.280 nicely together articably. Even more importantly, though than the actual 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.360 black letter law is this? What does it say about 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:51.280 a country country like ours founded in the proposition that 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.520 all men to create equal a Genesis one twenty seven principle. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.559 A country that prints in God we trust on our coinage. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:04.240 A country that founded by religious Christians, whose first president, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.120 George Washington wrote so compellingly in his Thanksgiving proclamation that 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.160 Thanksgiving X this to thank Almighty God. What does it 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:15.160 say about a country that has litigated for four to 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.160 five six however, many decades now the notions to whether 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:24.480 the Ten Commandments, the original ten Commandments Moses is setting 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.360 from SINAI, Thou shall not murder, Thou shall not steal 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.400 honor your parents. How do we get to a place 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:37.680 where a nation as godly as ours is even debating 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.240 whether or not a public display of the Ten Commandments 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.280 violates a reading, or is the case that we hear 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:50.559 a misreading of a certain constitutional amendment. It's absolutely grotesque. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.880 The case law on this, where it's worth, has been 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.240 all over the map. There was a case from two 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.160 thousand and five called Van Orden versus Perry, also out 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.440 of Texas. The carry there in question is former Governor 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.840 Rick Perry there. The fat pattern involved a monument of 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.560 the Ten Commandments. It's still there today. Actually, go to Austin, Texas, 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.600 walk the state Capitol grounds. You'll see it. I've seen 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.320 it many times in person. They're the Ten Commandments. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:13.640 One. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:19.200 Sometimes the Ten Commandments don't win. It's all hypocrisy. The 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.000 Justice of the U Spreme Court have a freeze on 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.719 the Wall of Moses with the Ten Commandments because he 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.240 was the first lawgiver in the history of the Geo 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:32.120 Christian Biblical tradition. The fifth crogate should do the right 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.560 thing here and push as hard as they possibly can 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.560 within the confines of Supreme Court presidents and the U 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.960 Supreme Courts really ought to grant a rid of cercerari 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.800 and hear this case. If it goes the wrong way, 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.480 perhaps they'll find a way to take it, even if 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.760 it goes the right way, because we have to make 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.800 sure that generations hence know that this country stands for 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.600 Godly values, Biblical values, and that our American Constitution is 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.560 downstream of the Ten Commandments. Godspeed to the lawyer's argument 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.960 that proposition in New Roleans today, I'm Josh Hammer. Stay 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:11.320 with us to the break. Mike Davis on the other side. Well, 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.640 as promise, it's now time for the viceroy. Let's bring 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.920 on founder and president of the Article three Project, where 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.960 he's also my colleague. You can check us out at 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.520 Article three project dot org. It's the one only. Mike Davis, 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.600 friend of Josh Hammer Show, joins us yet again. Mike, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.560 thank you, as always my friend for joining us. There's 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:32.559 always no shortage of legal controversies and news the day 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.360 happening there. I break it down when I can, but 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.920 it's always fun to have a comrade in arms to 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:38.559 join me in doing so as well. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:38.960 Mike. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.160 The big issue for the past week ish week and 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.040 a half maybe at this point is the insurrection at 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.240 you wrote a recent opbed on this for Fox News. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.000 We're talking here, of course, about the anarchy the insurrection 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.839 happening in Minneapolis and the aftermath of the justified self 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.640 defense shooting of Renee Good and the subsequent anarchy that 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:04.080 is fun, these standoff altercations between these protesters and federal 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.200 law enforcement. The insurrection out to eight two oh seven. 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.120 Tell us about this law and tell us why it 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.240 is a fit or not a fit. But I think 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.280 it's a fit for situations exactly like this. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.240 Well, let's back up really fast here. Remember this that 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:24.320 Congress are elected. Members of Congress exercise our sovereign power, 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.880 as we the people, to control our border and to 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:32.200 control our population, so they can pass immigration laws to 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.079 control our border and population, which is our most crucial 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.640 sovereign power as we the people. It's the president's job, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.960 as the commander in chief and the chief executive officer, 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:48.680 to faithfully execute those laws. That is his constitutional and 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:53.720 statutory duty. Right, we had an election. We had an 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.400 election over immigration. We had two different paps. We had 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.080 whether we were going to have come Paula Harris continued 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:06.120 Joe Biden's path of the mass importation of third world 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:11.320 trash into America, including Islamists who do not share our 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:16.880 values and violent criminals, gangs MS thirteen, trendy Aragua, or 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.080 we were going to go down the path that Trump proposed, 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:25.240 which was securing our border and excelling illegal aliens starting 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.560 with the worst of the worst, like Trendea arragua, like 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.600 MS thirteen, like these Islamists who want to destroy our country. 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.520 The American people, we the people, we the sovereign citizens 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:41.240 of America, shows Donald Trump's path right. He won three 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.280 and twelve electoral votes all seven Spring states. The popular 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.240 vote kept the House, won the Senate. He has a 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:51.160 father electfaw mandate to lead, and he is doing that. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.920 He is doing the unthinkable. He's doing what he promised 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:58.800 American voters he would do by enforcing our immigration laws, 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:05.800 his constitutional and statute forward duty. These Democrat activist pointiffs, attorneys, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:13.600 judges try to sabotage this immigration enforcement through the courts. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.800 They largely failed because the Supreme Court has largely stopped them, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.600 and now they are trying to sabotage the president on 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:27.000 the streets, right, and that is completely unacceptable. You can protest, 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:32.480 you can protest immigration enforcement, you can't obstruct it. You 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:36.440 certainly cannot be violent. And if you look at the 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:42.080 Insurrection Act, it deals with this specifically. If you are 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:51.600 organizing violence to stop the federal government from enforcing federal laws, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:59.320 that is text book insurrection. That is text book seditious conspiracy. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.800 That is text book assault on federal law enforcement. That 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:08.560 is textbook harboring illegal aliens. That is textbook general conspiracy. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.280 And I would say this to these Democrats who are 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:17.160 doing this, like Tim Waltz, the governor of Minnesota, Jacob Prye, 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:23.280 the Minneapolis mayor. You could very easily end up in prison, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:29.920 federal prison for these very serious federal crimes like insurrection, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:36.920 seditious conspiracy, assault, kidnapping, harboring, conspiracy, generally other very serious 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.920 federal felonies. So tread lightly, guys, because I don't think 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:45.640 President Trump and Attorney General Pambondi are messing around. 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.520 Like Davis, the founder and president of the Arcle three project. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.600 Follow him on x at mrd DMIA, follow our work 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.560 at a three P at arcle threeproject dot org. Mike, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.600 I think it's really important that you backed up like that. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:02.240 Immigration obviously is a federal legal imperative. Congress has an 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.919 Article one, Section eight and numery power to prescribe a 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.560 uniform rule of naturalization. The President has the take Care 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.320 clause obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.760 This clearly is a core bread and butter federal prerogative. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.880 And I think back in look at the recent lawsuit 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.240 that was filed by the State of Minnesota and the 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.119 Twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul against DHSS. The 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.520 whole Messecurity Department against the federal government generally. And Mike, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.920 I was watching Keith Ellison, the adel Brains, you know, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:36.600 you know, care connected attorney General of Minnesota, and he 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.040 was reading the statements where he was like, it's our 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.760 tenth Amendment States rights position. And I was looking at 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.000 this and I was like, I'm sorry, but I read 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:47.880 this in a history book ones and it came under 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.080 the name of John C. Calhoun. And I've been saying 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.080 this for years now that this whole notion of these 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:58.000 sanctuary jurisdictions, of just trying to not just protest, but 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.520 to obstruct and to undermine violate federal law. I mean 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.959 this reeks of the anti Bellum Confederacy, to which Abraham 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.919 Lincoln responded, among other things, with you guessed it the 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.960 Insurrection Act, which he invoked just a few days after 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.560 the Civil War began. So am I crazy? Or is 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:14.560 this how you see it as well? 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.679 Well? I mean it's you have Ellison who has become 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:24.640 the Confederates for Somali pirates and warlords and other fraudsters 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.840 in Minnesota. And you have to think about this is 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:32.360 the problem with immigration. You mass import people who do 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:37.680 not share our values, like Simolians, for example, who are 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.639 some of the dumbest people on the planets, some of 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.639 the most corrupt people on the planets, some of the 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.280 most violent people on the planets. That's why their nation 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.639 is failed because there are Somali pirates in warlords and 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:54.960 have the IQs of IQs of sixty five to to 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.280 seventy and we want to mass import them into the 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:03.720 United States. And I guess I would say this to 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:10.640 the Minnesota liberals. You managed to get duped and defraud 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.720 its by some of the dumbest people on the planets. 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.679 What the hell does that say about you as the 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.040 people of Minnesota that you allowed this to happen, not 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.400 just for a few weeks, not just for a few months, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.359 you allow this to happen for like twenty five years. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.440 You have been defrauded by the Somali warlords and pirates 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.800 when they're driving around in their range ropers to their 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:37.920 mansions and you have homeless US military veterans on your streets. 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.199 It's shameful what Minnesota has allowed to happen. And this 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:46.960 is why immigration is a federal concern determined by Congress, 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:51.959 so we don't have bulcanized American states like Minnesota, they 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.879 don't get to decide our population. That is, we the people, 0:19:56.000 --> 0:20:01.040 the sovereign citizens of America, get to decide this. This 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.399 this idea that we're going to let the Third world 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.360 come to Minnesota. We have to pay for it through 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:11.680 federal medicaid, through federal grants that are being defrauded in 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:15.719 the tune of tens of billions of dollars around the country, 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.920 particularly in Minnesota. And then they're going to say, Okay, 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.720 we we have we have We've created loogadishue in Minnesota, 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.880 in Minneapolis, and if you try to stop the fraud, 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.000 We're going to have a civil war with you. We're 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:33.000 gonna We're going to encourage our law enforcement to arrest 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.639 ICE agents, Like are you kidding me? Are you trying 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:41.680 to get state and local law enforcement officers killed further 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.680 unlawful arrest of ICE agents. What what is the endgame 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:51.040 for Governor Tim Waltz and may Or Fred They they 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:55.760 do they want an armed conflict with the federal governments 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.600 so they can protect their fraud and corruption. How many 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.959 campaign donations are these Somali warlords, pirates and other fraudsters 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.720 giving to Tim Waltz to Jacob Pray, how many of 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.120 their friends and allies are on this Somali fraud Peewell. 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.400 I mean, this is shocking, it's sickening. It shows there's 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.639 a lot at stake for these guys if they're willing 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:22.240 to go to civil war with the federal government to 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:26.480 protect these Somali warlords, pirates and other prodstras. 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:28.560 It really does. And by the way, folks, for those 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.200 of you who don't know Mike as well as I do, 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.320 his ex handle is at Mr d d m i A. 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.359 The DMIA, if not mistaken, stands for Des Moines, Iowa, 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.120 which is where Mike from. I sense a little Hawkeye 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.720 state chauvinism in this bashing of your northerly neighbors Minnesota. 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.240 But frankly, you know, frankly, the people in Minnesota, I 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.199 grossly deserve it because they have brought this on themselves 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.639 and they are acting frankly in Jefferson Davis John C. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.560 Calhoun style insurrections fashion. Stay with us with the break, folks. 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.800 Mike Davis again is the founder and president of the 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.840 ARG three Project. Follow us on the d Article three 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.359 project dot org. We'll be right back after the break. 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.440 With much more from the Viceroy himself. That's our friend 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:15.199 Mike Davis. Welcome back. We're still joined by Mike Davis, 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.720 who was the founder and president of the Article three projects. 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.240 He's the Viceroy. Follow him on x at Mr d 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.479 d M I A Mike. Lots of other stuff happening 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:26.359 in the legal world as well. When it comes to 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.520 not not just ice in Minneapolis. I want to get 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:34.800 your take on the recent Maduro raid in Venezuela. So 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.639 this happened, Mike, I keep the Jewish Sabbath, as you know, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:39.760 this happened actually over the Jewish Sabbath, and I throw 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.120 my phone back on. I had like a million messages 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.600 like is this legal? How is it legal? How's justified? 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:46.639 And it makes a lot of sense to me. But 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.359 I think there are a lot of folks, some even 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.720 on our side on the right, who are struggling to 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.120 see this for what it is. And to me, there's 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.720 a lot of debate over the declare war clause and 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:00.000 foreign affairs, but it's not a foreign affairs issue actually, 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:03.520 properly speaking, it's really a law enforcement operation that happened 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:06.560 in Caracas earlier this month, isn't it yeah. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:10.159 I mean, think about this. You had President Barack Obama 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:15.720 who ordered the extra judicial drone strikes and killings of 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:21.880 American citizens, including a minor, and we have no problem 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.760 with that on the left. But now that President Trump 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:29.080 is in office, when he went and executed an arrest 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:36.600 warrant for a narco terrorist leader, Maduro and his wife, somehow, 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:41.240 that is a constitutional crisis. Not only did President Trump 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:45.320 have the constitutional and statutory power to do what he did, 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:49.720 he had the duty. There was an outstanding arrest warrant, 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.040 and it's the president's job to take care that our 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:57.280 laws are faithfully executed. And that is exactly what he did. 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.560 It's similar to what happened with Noriega and pan of Bob. 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.240 This was not a war. This was execution of an 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:09.240 arrest warrant. And now Ladureau is in Justice Department custody. 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.960 He's in the Bureau of Federal Prisons, and you'll go 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.879 through federal trial with a federal judge and the federal 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:19.200 jury and the federal prosecution, and they'll decide his faith. 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.679 Yeah, they will, and his fate, whatever it is, Frankie 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.320 will be more than deserved because like many of these 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.720 Narco terrorists. He has a lot of American blood on 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:30.960 his hands, not necessarily in the form of shoot a 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:34.159 point blank range murder, but in terms of drug overdoses, 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.760 something that for to many American families know way, way, 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:38.320 way too much about. 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:39.000 Mike. 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:40.840 Another thing that you and I do at the arg 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.280 three project is we pay close attention as a name 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:47.280 would apply to Article three to the courts. No shortage 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:51.040 of big cases on the Supreme Court docket. This particular term, 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.399 the one that I find to be most kind of 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:57.080 attracted to on a personal level. It might not be 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:01.120 the one that's getting most headlines is the birthright slaizenship case. 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.200 So this is a big question kind of about Donald 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.439 Trump's Day one executive order that says that the fourteenth 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:10.720 Amendment does not require birthright citizenship for the children of 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.399 legal aliens. Now, I buy this argument, hook, climent and Sinker. 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.359