1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: There's a moment when you have this seed of anxiety 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: that could grow into full blown spiral. Those are the 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: moments if we can cultivate a practice in a habit 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: of going to God immediately and saying, Ooh, I'm starting 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 2: to worry about this, God, please help me with this. 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Faith Overfear podcast, where we discussed powerful 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 3: truths to quiet anxiety and fear, big and small. I'm 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: your host, Jennifer Slattery. If you experience anxiety and fear, 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: you've probably tried to find peace a lot of ways. 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: Maybe you've memorized numerous Bible verses and you've begged God 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 3: for relief. I've been there, and for a time when 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: I read passages like the one in Philippians chapter four 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 3: that my guest Jamie Hampton and I will be discussing, 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: I felt guilt and frustration and like those Biblical invitations 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: simply didn't work for me. And yet I also believed 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: that the Lord had called me to freedom, which motivated 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: me to dig deep as I wrestled with what scripture 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: was and wasn't saying, and how to actually begin to 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: experience some of the piece that surpasses understanding that the 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: Bible talks about, and if you can relate, you'll be 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: encouraged by my conversation with guest Jamie Hampton. Before we 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 3: jump into today's content, I wanted to give you a 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: roadmap of where we're heading, especially if prayer hasn't taken 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 3: your anxiety away and you've wondered why. In this conversation, 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: Jamie and I talk about what scripture is really inviting 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 3: us into when it comes to peace, why God's peace 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: is often a process rather than an instant fix, and 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: a few gentle, practical ways to meet God when your 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: mind won't slow down. If you're feeling overwhelmed, you don't 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: need to take notes, just listen. We'll come back and 32 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: summarize along the way. And I have also provided a 33 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: companion guide that you can use to process this content 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: at your own speed, giving yourself breaks when you need to. Jamie, 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us. 36 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: Hi, thank you so much for having me. I'm so 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: excited to be here. 38 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: Jamie Hampton is a Christian author and co host of 39 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: the Praying Christian Women podcast. She enjoys camping with her family, 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: roasting and drinking coffee. My kind of girl and the 41 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: crazy life that comes with being a hockey mom. So yes, 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: you do a lot of. 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: Praying on and off the ice. 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: I bet. I know from conversations we have had that 45 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: you're not a stranger to anxiety and emotional overwhelm. Correct. 46 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had definitely a lot of experience with anxiety 47 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: at different levels, but there was really a time in 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: the last few years that it came to a head 49 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: and I just I would say it was probably one 50 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: of the most difficult struggles of my life. And I 51 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: think it started with parenthood and some anxiety pertaining to 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: one of my kids being diagnosed with a food allergy 53 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: that was kind of scary and we didn't know what 54 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: it was and she was having reactions, and then it 55 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: kind of translated from that to health anxiety about myself, 56 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: and it was bizarre. 57 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. 58 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: I didn't know why I was having these fears, some 59 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: of which were really irrational. I made a lot of 60 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: mental leaps with symptoms. I was having to you automatically 61 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: or have a death sentence now ahead of you. I mean, 62 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: it was a lot of really confusing things going on. 63 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: I want to pause here for a minute. Because I 64 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: know some listeners are seeing themselves in your story, and 65 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: to our listeners, if that's you, I want to say, 66 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: you're not broken, you're not weak in your faith, and 67 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: you're not failing spiritually. What you're experiencing is something many faithful, 68 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: spiritually mature people experience, especially when multiple things hit them 69 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: at once. 70 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: What I wrestled with was I knew that it was 71 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: not rational all the time. I knew that it was 72 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: something going on, and I was trying to figure out 73 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: is this physical? Is this mental? Is this spiritual? Is 74 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: it a combination of all of the above. And looking 75 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: back many years later in retrospect to that like really 76 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: intense year or so that I'm referring to, I would 77 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: say it was a combination of all three. Probably there 78 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: were some physical, hormonal components. There were some mental components 79 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: in terms of where I let my mind go, boundaries 80 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: that I did not place on, taking thoughts captive and 81 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: things like that, And there were some spiritual components. I 82 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: know that during that time I was doing a lot 83 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: of ministry, and I'm sure the enemy saw my weak 84 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: spots and went for the weak spot. So I mean, specifically, 85 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: I can just think of a time when I would 86 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: wake up every morning, I would have racing thoughts, I 87 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: would have a pounding heart, I would have these surges 88 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: of adrenaline in my chest that would just like it 89 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: was almost like most of my day. I could feel 90 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: these surges of adrenaline just surging, and then a minute 91 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: later another big surge, and I had all of this 92 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: pent up anxiety and anxious energy that I didn't know 93 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: what to do with. And I was obsessing about not 94 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: just one, but multiple symptoms that I had. That got 95 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: to the point where some of the symptoms I developed, 96 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 2: I look back and I see that it was actually 97 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: the anxiety that caused them, and it was debilitating at times, 98 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: and I just I didn't know what to do. I 99 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: was praying, I was reading the Bible. In retrospect, I 100 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 2: would say that a lot of it was kind of 101 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: wrapped up in this verse. I don't want to spoil 102 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: too much of it, because when we talk about this verse, 103 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: I'd like to unpack some of how it related to 104 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: how I started to see being delivered from these intense 105 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: symptoms of anxiety. But I think a lot of it 106 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: goes back to taking thoughts captive and the direction that 107 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: I directed my heart and my spirit, but also some 108 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: very physical symptoms that when I change some physical things, 109 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: it drastically opened up space for me to focus on 110 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: those spiritual and mental and emotional things. 111 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: I really like how you mentioned we are whole body 112 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: beings and Scripture deals with our whole body, and so 113 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: I like how you're like, Okay, you know, this is 114 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: what I'm feeling. There could be a lot of different 115 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: things at play. Let's figure this out, let's investigate it, 116 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 3: and so maybe that could be a really good first 117 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 3: prat practical step to our listeners is recognizing that, yeah, 118 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 3: if you're having thyroid issues, a lot of women that 119 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: I know, when they hit like forty five, there will 120 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: be this anxiety that is largely hormonal. But then I 121 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: think you have the hormones and it can exasperate your 122 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 3: normal concerns or worries. And so then do you feel 123 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: like those two kind of played on each other a little? 124 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely? I tend to be. 125 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: I used to joke around with my mom when I 126 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: was a kid about how she was such a worrier 127 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: and that she overthought things, and I wish I could 128 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: go back she. 129 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,119 Speaker 1: Has passed away. 130 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: Wish I could go back and apologize because I so 131 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: understand being a parent definitely has changed a lot of 132 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: things for me, but even just being an adult, you know, 133 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: having responsibilities, having health concerns, your body's changing, your responsibilities 134 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: are changing, the to do list is never ending, and 135 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: all of that together. I see you, Mom, I'm sorry, 136 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, I would say that I have been prone 137 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: since being an adult, and then even more so maybe 138 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: being a mom, of worrying about my kids, about my health, 139 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: which would impair my ability to be there for my 140 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: kids if they needed me. And until this culmination of 141 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 2: intense hormonal disruption, which I didn't know at the time, 142 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: it was somewhat manageable, and. 143 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: I would worry. 144 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: I would spiral sometimes into unhealthy worrying and fear. But 145 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: when the hormonal stuff started to happen, it really threw 146 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: me for a loop and it was like the perfect storm, 147 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: and I went from being able to kind of manage 148 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: it to just being out of control, and to the 149 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: point where at times I couldn't I didn't even know 150 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: how to pray to God or what to ask him, 151 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: and I felt an aversion to even approaching God about it. Really, 152 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't explain it, but I was not 153 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: capable myself of reaching out for a lifeline at times. 154 00:07:58,800 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: It was so bad. 155 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of listeners can probably relate 156 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: to that and a couple things I thought as you 157 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: were talking. One, I am in my own journey towards 158 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: increased freedom, recognizing just the way our brain adapts and 159 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: changes over time. And scientists are now figuring out that 160 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: your mom's pregnancy can play a huge role on your 161 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: anxiety level. So if your mom is really anxious while 162 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: she's pregnant, it can create actual changes that can cause 163 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: anxiety later and we can learn anxiety. Like if we 164 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: have caregivers who are who maybe don't communicate well, I 165 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: think because I don't want to shame anyone here. They're like, 166 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: you know, I'm a mom, and so I know we 167 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: don't want to train our children to feel anxious. I 168 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: would say the difference is like just having open conversations 169 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: with them, like, Hey, I'm feeling really anxious here and 170 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: here's why. But I know the truth. So I just 171 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 3: wanted to put that little caveat not to shame anyone. 172 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: But all of our influences matter right now. I know 173 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: for a lot of our listeners if they've experienced developmental trauma, 174 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: or even later one of my listeners, she's experienced significant 175 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: trauma in a lot of the conflict going on in Bosnia. 176 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: And so when you are living under threat, for our 177 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: listeners who did experience some sort of trauma, your brain 178 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: wants to keep you safe, and so it learns to 179 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: be hyper alert. The problem is it might stay hyper 180 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: alert when the danger is gone. And it's a process 181 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: of retraining our brain with the help of the Holy Spirit, 182 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: so that we can experience that piece of passage. For 183 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: me that has been really helpful. Initially, it was not 184 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: so helpful because I misunderstood what it was asking me 185 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: to do. But since then has become really helpful. Would 186 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: you happen to have on hand Philippians Versus four through nine. 187 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: Yes, I will do that. Rejoice in the Lord always. 188 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: I will say it again, Rejoice. Let your gentleness be 189 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: evident to all. 190 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: The Lord is near. 191 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, 192 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 193 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will 194 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: guard your hearts and your minds. In Christ Jesus finally, 195 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: brothers and sisters. Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever 196 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, 197 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: if anything is excellent or praiseworthy. Think about such things. 198 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: Whatever you have learned or received, or heard from me 199 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: or seen in me, put it into practice, and the 200 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: God of Peace will be with you. 201 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: And one of the reasons I like that whole passage, 202 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: I think a lot of times we will just take 203 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 3: the one Philippians four six to seven, be anxious about 204 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 3: nothing but everything, prayer and petition forgetting that there is 205 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: a whole Bible that God uses to lead us towards 206 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: increased wholeness. And I'm really intrigued by it. Says it 207 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: starts with rejoice always. So how can beginning with an 208 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 3: attitude of praise or a focus on praise, how how 209 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: can that help shift us towards the other invitations in 210 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: this passage? 211 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that praise is something that 212 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: sets the stage for everything else. So often so I 213 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: can think of a time during my intense struggle with anxiety, 214 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: the most acute one, and I just remember that I 215 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: was at the end of myself. Like I said, I 216 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: didn't even feel like I knew what to say to God. 217 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: And in our living room, on our TV, I put 218 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: on a concert of one of my favorite worship bands 219 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: and I just let it play and I ended up 220 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: just standing there in front of the TV, probably too close, 221 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: but I I raised my hands in worship. 222 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I sang along. 223 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: I know I probably did, but just even receiving it, 224 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: receiving the words, allowing those words, because a lot of 225 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: it was scripture, and allowing it to just wash over me, 226 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: like my heart resonated with praise and there is healing. 227 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: There's like a reset that happens there, and it kind 228 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: of is reflect in what I've been interested in with 229 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: this whole passage is by prayer and petition, because both 230 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: of those words kind of mean prayer. They're translated as 231 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: prayer if you look at the Lexicon and the Greek 232 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: of those words are two different kinds of prayer though, 233 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: and the first one has to do more with orientation 234 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: of your spirit, and the second one has more to 235 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: do with immediate need. And so that first one, that 236 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: first prayer, by prayer and petition, it's mentioned first, and 237 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: it kind of goes along with rejoicing the Lord always. Like, 238 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: just when you don't have it in you to pray 239 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: a prayer with words, just orient your heart toward God. 240 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: Whatever that looks like for you. It can be done silently. 241 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: It can be done by reading through a psalm or 242 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: a prayer that is written. If you don't have the 243 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: energy to create your own words, it could be done 244 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: by listening to worship music. It could be done by 245 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: looking at a mountain out your window and just like 246 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: marveling at God's greatness. But orient your heart toward God. 247 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: And I just feel like that in itself, I think 248 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: it breaks the strongholds of fear and it just helps 249 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: us to be in a place to move forward with 250 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: the rest of it. 251 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would so agree with that. And I think 252 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 3: it makes us more alert to God's presence too, and 253 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: so we're able to And I think too like it 254 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: invites us to move. I don't know what kind of 255 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 3: you listen to a slower fast, but when I'm anxious, 256 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: I like music that's a little upbeat, and then I 257 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 3: can dance to it, and then you're releasing some of 258 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: that pent up energy that can provide a source of relief. 259 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: And then I also want to go back to and 260 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: I want to start it with a little caveat, because 261 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: I don't want to freak anyone out. Scripture does say 262 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: we have a spiritual enemy who wants to harass us, 263 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: but we also need to keep in mind he's a 264 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: defeated foe, so all he can do really is terrorize us, 265 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: and by permission, like because we have authority in Jesus Christ, 266 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: and so he will use what typically works to shut 267 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,599 Speaker 3: us down, to keep us quiet, to keep us ineffective, 268 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: to keep us feeling defeated. And so when I'm really struggling, 269 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: I like to use his tactics against him. I'm like, Okay, 270 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: you're trying to get at me, get me really anxious. 271 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: Right now, let's turn on some praise music that glorifies 272 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: God Almighty. And I feel like, especially if you're listening 273 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: to praise music that is filled with truth, then it's 274 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: an act of spiritual warfare. It's an act of protecting 275 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 3: yourself against the flaming Scripture calls it flaming darts of 276 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: the enemy. We take up the shield of faith to 277 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: counter that. So I think that's another benefit that can 278 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: really happen when we sing praise music. 279 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I mean the enemy is called 280 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: the deceiver, and so like you said, that territory that 281 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: he's posturing to claim and to hold is not really 282 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: his even in the first place. And so I do 283 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: feel like, like you said, that truth battle those lies 284 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: with truth, and. 285 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: I think that's so important. 286 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: And another way to do that, to rejoice in the Lord, 287 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: is to have a handy arsenal. 288 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: Of truths from the Bible of what is true. 289 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: And when you're in a good place spiritually and emotionally 290 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: and physically, you can create a custom list that you 291 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: can use as literal the sword of the Spirit, which 292 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: is the Word of God, to fight the enemy and 293 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: basically find verses that counter your worst fears. And one 294 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: of the things that wasn't actually scripture that I remember 295 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: using was this thing that as I prayed one day, 296 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: God gave me this insight that the future that I 297 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: was worrying about, the future that I was imagining wasn't 298 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: even a reality. I was worrying about a future that 299 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: didn't even exist. 300 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: And there was so much power in that for me. 301 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: So I wrote that down, and so when I was struggling, 302 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: I would go back to that truth, and I would 303 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: speak it out loud. 304 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: I am worrying about a future that doesn't even exist. 305 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: And then I would go through these affirmations of who 306 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: God is and who I am in Christ, and the 307 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: battle has been won and the victory has already been 308 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: won by Jesus, and it's so powerful. 309 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I've just loved so many other 310 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: things you say. But I think there's power both in 311 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: what goes on in our brain, like retraining our brain. 312 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: There's power spiritually in speaking out loud, And so that 313 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: would be a practical tool. I would encourage our listeners. 314 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: And if, like Jamie mentioned, if you don't like you 315 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: can't think of the words because your mind is racing, 316 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: maybe just pull up a Psalm, one of the chapters 317 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: in Psalm or ahead of time, like just having a 318 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: passage of scripture that you can recite out loud can 319 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: be really helpful to get you over the hump. And 320 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: I would suggest also is recognizing this is something I 321 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: didn't understand. I would hear people talk about like, Okay, 322 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: practice deep breathing, do all of these things, and you're 323 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: gonna have the piece that surpasses understanding whatever. And I 324 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: was expecting like this instant download, not realizing it takes 325 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: time to change our thoughts, to change our brain, to 326 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 3: heal our souls. So that's one thing I would also 327 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: encourage is being persistent and consistent as best as you're able. 328 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 3: You mentioned here how there's prayer and petition, and do 329 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 3: you feel like sometimes we're hesitant to really express honestly 330 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: how we feel. Can that be challenging when we pray? 331 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: Yes, definitely. 332 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: I think we're conditioned to have this idea that we 333 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: have to clean ourselves up before we present ourselves to God. 334 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: I think it can be a prayer block. It can 335 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: be a thing that keeps us from coming to God 336 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: in the first place, because you think, oh, he won't 337 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: want to hear from me it's been too long, or 338 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: he won't want to hear from me. I've just done 339 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: this or this or this, or I'm struggling with this 340 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: and I just failed again at this sin that I'm 341 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: trying to kick, or I have to come up with 342 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: the right words, or he doesn't want me to come 343 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 2: to him angry. I've got a oh yes, God, you know, 344 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: put on a happy face, thank you for all the things, 345 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: and I have found the most freeing and most powerful 346 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: prayers that I've ever prayed have been when I've been 347 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: angry with God, or when I've been disappointed, or when 348 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 2: i feel like He's not even there. And it is 349 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 2: a huge tactic that I think Satan uses to try 350 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: to keep us from freedom and from God and from 351 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 2: wholeness and communion with God by making us feel afraid 352 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: to be honest with God. So we get angry with God, 353 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: or we're disappointed, or we're confused about like what we 354 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: read in scripture and how we see the reality playing 355 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: out in our own lives, and we don't see the victory, 356 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: and we think is he even real and is he 357 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 2: even hearing me? Or worse yet, is he real and 358 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: he hears me? And he doesn't care? And if we 359 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: don't go to God with those questions, then then that's 360 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: a wedge that's been driven between us and God. So 361 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I would say the number one most freeing 362 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: thing that I've ever done is go to God when 363 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: I'm doubting him, when I'm disappointed with Him, when when 364 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that He's even there or hearing me 365 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: or loves me. Just those questions that as a Christian 366 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: of you know, I'm forty nine, so I've known the 367 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 2: Lord most of my life, and you feel like you 368 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: should have it all together at some point, like, oh, 369 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: I've got this podcast about prayer, so I shouldn't have 370 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: these questions. But being honest about them is always the 371 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: best thing, and there's so much power in it because 372 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: it shines light on areas that Satan wants to keep 373 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: covered up. He wants us to be in isolation. He 374 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: wants us to have secret questions that we're afraid to 375 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: take to God because we're afraid of the answer. And 376 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: when that happens, then there's room for Satan to lie 377 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: to us and for us to believe our own lives 378 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 2: that are just rattling around in our own sinful minds and. 379 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, or that we've absorbed maybe from someone else, 380 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 3: or wounds that we've experienced as well. When you're talking 381 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 3: about being honest with what's going on, I'm reminded also 382 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: of First Peter five to seven, which tells us to 383 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: cast our cares upon God, for he cares for us. 384 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: And I'm going to read it actually in the amplified version, 385 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: it says casting all your cares, all your anxieties, all 386 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: your worries, and all your concerns. Once they're all well, okay, 387 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say one's imprisa again and again and again, 388 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: but anyway on him, for he cares about you with 389 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: deepest affection and watches over you very carefully. So what 390 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 3: might it look like in every situation to what are 391 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: some practical ways maybe we can cast our concerns, our anxieties, 392 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 3: our worries onto God. 393 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: Building habits of just an ongoing conversation with God, sort 394 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: of like the Brother Lawrence. There's a book by Brother 395 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: Lawrence called The Practice of the Presence of God, and 396 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: the whole idea is being in a constant conversation with God. 397 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: So I think, not waiting until you have. 398 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: A prayer closet, our chunk of time to sit and pray, 399 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: but just be talking to God all the time. When 400 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: you first, I think nipping it in the butt. It's 401 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: kind of like a migraine. You know, if you take 402 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: the medicine when the migraine's first coming on, it's more 403 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: likely to work than when it's taken full hold. It's 404 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 2: the same idea with our worries. I think when you 405 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 2: first have that seed and I think those of us 406 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 2: that have have dealt with anxiety or continue to worry, 407 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: know that there's a moment when you have this seed 408 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: of anxiety or a seed of a worry or a 409 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: thought that could grow into a full blown spiral. Those 410 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 2: are the moments if we can cultivate a practice and 411 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 2: a habit of going to God immediately and saying, Ooh, 412 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: I'm starting to worry about this, God, please help me 413 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: with this, and maybe journaling through it. I mean writing 414 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: down the fear, naming it, because sometimes when I'm writing 415 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: in my journal or even just speaking it out loud, 416 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: I think, oh, my goodness, that's not really why am 417 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: I worrying about that? But if it stays in your head, 418 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: unspoken and unconfessed out loud, it could seem logical and 419 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: reasonable and grow roots and start to take root. 420 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and there's Our brain will rehash things because 421 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: it's thinking, it needs to remember until we have a solution, 422 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 3: and so it rumination is one of those like natural processes. 423 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: By writing it down, it's like signaling to our brain Okay, 424 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 3: I'm working on this, And so I think that's really helpful. 425 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 3: And so what I'm here, you're saying is instead of 426 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: rehearsing our fears in our mind, instead speaking them to 427 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: God out loud, if we can name what feels really heavy, 428 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: what we're struggling with, and intentionally telling ourselves, Okay, I'm 429 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: giving this to God. And the reason I said the 430 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: amplified versions, the way you know they said once and 431 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: for all For me, I have to give it again 432 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: and again and again. I like how you said practice 433 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: because the more I do those things, the more I 434 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 3: become alert to, Oh, this is what I'm really thinking 435 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 3: or feeling, this is what really triggers my anxiety. So 436 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna shift backwards a little because we might 437 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 3: have and I have had times where I will feel 438 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 3: anxious and I don't understand why, and yes there's sometimes 439 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: it's hormones, and yes there's a spiritual component. But when 440 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: I take the time to prayerfully process through my reality, 441 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: that's when God will reveal the particular lie that I 442 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: might not even be alert to. And so if I'm 443 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: not alert to the light, I'm going to be trying 444 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: to solve a problem that may not be accurate. But 445 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 3: by bringing it to God and beginning to have that conversation, 446 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 3: it gives him an opportunity to reveal what's in the 447 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: depths of my soul. 448 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and I love that you said that. And 449 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: another thing that you said about the brain, like we're 450 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: wired to think about problems, and you know, fear in 451 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: itself is a God given thing. It's not a bad thing. 452 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it helps us not to fall off cliffs. 453 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: And all kinds of things. 454 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: So my co host Alana and I wrote a book 455 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 2: it's called She Praised Like a Girl. In that book, 456 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: I kind of outline a journaling system that I do, 457 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: and basically it views the fear that we have. Like 458 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: let's say you have that seed of a fear planted 459 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: and you start to recognize it quickly by kind of 460 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: making friends with it, by saying, okay, Lord, you know, 461 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: prayerfully processing it. What are the good things about this fear? 462 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 2: What are the roots of this fear? 463 00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: What is it? 464 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: So, for instance, health anxiety. I have struggled with health anxiety. 465 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: Why am I worried about this? And prayerfully come up 466 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 2: with I want to be there for my family. I 467 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: love my family. I want to be able to serve them. 468 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 2: I want to be well so that I can be 469 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 2: there for them. I want to be healthy because I 470 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 2: know my body's a temple of the Holy Spirit, and 471 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: I want to be able to have the freedom to 472 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 2: heed the callings that God has placed on my life, 473 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: you know, things like that, and so it goes into 474 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: more detail in the book, but the bottom line is 475 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 2: fear isn't bad. And when we can accept that it's 476 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 2: a red flag that something is going on out of 477 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: the ordinary, then like you said, it helps us identify, well, 478 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: where is the lie in this? Where are the good 479 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: things that are causing this fear? Like, what are my 480 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: core values? And then how can I take the parts 481 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: of this fear process? What is in my control? What's 482 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: like an action step that I can take in the 483 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: direction of dealing with this fear. What are the things 484 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: out of my control? What can I put in God's 485 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: hands through prayer and really trust him, like you said, 486 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: basically laying those burdens on God and saying this is 487 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: not in my control. But you are good, and you 488 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: are all knowing and all powerful, and I trust you 489 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: with all of these things that are uncertain. 490 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: So that really helps me. 491 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking as you were talking. When I 492 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: was so I had a season two where my anxiety 493 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 3: was so overwhelming. I actually at times would go two 494 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 3: days without sleeping. I mean I'm talking it was like 495 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: it was so intense and there were so so, so 496 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: many reasons why. But in that season like to really unpack, 497 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: my anxiety felt overwhelming because I'm like, I got to 498 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 3: get to sleep, and if I think about it, it's 499 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 3: just going to make me more anxious. And I think 500 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: there can be validity to that, Like when I'm trying 501 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 3: to go to sleep, that's not the time I'm doing 502 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: deep journal work, right, Like, that's the time when I 503 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 3: might have some things that I listened to on my iPhone, 504 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 3: maybe it's praise music or things. I will actually sleep 505 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: with content playing overnight so that my unoccupied mind doesn't 506 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 3: veer towards anxiety and overwhelmed. But I can't stay in 507 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 3: the I can't talk about this, I can't think about it. 508 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 3: I can't pray about this because it's going to become 509 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 3: overwhelming or I will never see progress. So for me, 510 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 3: it's helpful to say, okay, and I've got certain times 511 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: of my day that work really well for me to 512 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 3: do some of my processing work and walking my puppy 513 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 3: in the morning. Is a really good time. And again 514 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 3: I start with praise and get myself where I can 515 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: sense God's presence. But I would encourage our listeners. I 516 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: totally understand why we want to avoid even thinking about 517 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: our anxiety and fears for fear that it will escalate, 518 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: but I would encourage choose sometimes that feel manageable to say, Okay, 519 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 3: let me process through, like what Jamie said, processing through 520 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 3: what are the lies? What are the good things? What 521 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: are my core needs that God is going to meet. 522 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 3: The Other thing why that can be helpful is and 523 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: I've learned this from hearing therapists talk, but it can 524 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: provide what's called containment. So if we are always we're 525 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 3: going to deal with our problems, our anxieties, our fears 526 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 3: when we journal, and our brain can begin to learn, okay, 527 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: this is the time we're going to deal with it, 528 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: and then we schet the journal we're done. But we 529 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 3: can also say I'm going to deal with this more tomorrow, 530 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 3: and so it can create this space where our brain's 531 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: like here or she's not avoiding the concerns, we're just 532 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 3: keeping it at a contained time and space. Have you 533 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 3: ever tried, like, do you find that when you journaled. 534 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 3: It enables you to focus in the moment and then 535 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: once you close it move and focus on other parts 536 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: of your day. 537 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 2: Yes, Oh absolutely my brain. Alana jokingly and lovingly calls 538 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: it a hummingbird brain in a good way because I can. 539 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: I'm very flexible in my being able to go from 540 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: one thing to another, but that can be tough when 541 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 2: I'm dealing with a lot of thoughts and overwhelming thoughts. 542 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: Writing it down in a journal, it's like it's almost 543 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: like literally catching the thought and putting it somewhere because 544 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: I know it's there. I know if I need to 545 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: revisit it, it's there. 546 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: And it does. 547 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: It gives me a lot of closure. And I love 548 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 2: that word containment because it really does. And especially if 549 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: you said a time limit like you said, I've heard 550 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: other people say that setting a time limit, I can 551 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 2: think about this for this amount of time and then 552 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 2: I'll move on, and that is so powerful. 553 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: I also like that you said that because for me. 554 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,959 Speaker 3: So there are two apps and I'm gonna run's an 555 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: app and one's another life audio podcast host Actually that 556 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 3: these two are like my morning practices. One is the 557 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: So Much More podcast by Judy Nisnik where she guides 558 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 3: you in descripture meditation, it's six minutes. And then the 559 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: other one is hearing Heart, and I believe it's by 560 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 3: deeper walk international that's again six minutes. So for me, 561 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 3: that feels manageable. Whereas if I were gonna sit and 562 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 3: here's where I'm going with that. If I were going 563 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 3: to sit and like just without a time limit and 564 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: I'm going to praise and worship and pray and journal, 565 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: that feels overwhelming if I'm already feeling overwhelmed and busy 566 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: and stressed. But if I say, okay, I'm gonna give 567 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: myself and maybe if you're just starting, maybe five minutes 568 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: is all you can do. I'm gonna give myself five 569 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: minutes each day because it's better. If it's something that 570 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 3: is manageable, we're more apt to make it happen and 571 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: make it a practice. I totally get it. When you're 572 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 3: in the throes of overwhelming fear and anxiety, you just 573 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 3: want it to get better. And so it's really tempting 574 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: not to work on everything right away. But if we 575 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 3: can just remember that God is leading us step by 576 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: step towards increased peace, and even though it feels uncomfortable. 577 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: Now he is taking us to a glorious destination. I 578 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 3: would like to shift a little to talk about the 579 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 3: importance of that little parenthetical insert in the passage you 580 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: read with thanksgiving. What does that look like to you 581 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 3: when you're praying? 582 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: It can be a few different ways, depending on where 583 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: I am in the worry or in the moment. And 584 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: the very basic level is just like an undercurrent of 585 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: thanksgiving for who God is and what He's done, and 586 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: having relationship like thanksgiving that I can even come to God. 587 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: I mean, anyone can do that, regardless of where you 588 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: are in the process of the worry. Maybe you're not 589 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: at point where you can give thanks for the thing 590 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: you're worried about. So, for instance, I'm going to give 591 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: you a very practical example that really happened. I found 592 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,239 Speaker 2: a lump in my breast and I was worried about it. 593 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: And I might not be able to say thank you 594 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: God for this lump in my breast. I may not 595 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: be there at that moment. I might be at the 596 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: point where I can say God, thank you that I'm 597 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: not walking alone, thank You that You're at work in 598 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 2: all things, thank You that you promise that you will 599 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: never leave me nor forsake me. And that's the undercurrent. 600 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: The next level could be what Alana, my co host 601 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: Praying Christian Women, calls even though prayers, and it's even 602 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: though I have this health concern, I know you love 603 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: me and I know you're with me, even though I'm 604 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: afraid right now, I lift this prayer up to you, 605 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: knowing that you tell me I can put my burdens 606 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: on you, and it's like, okay, even though I'm thankful 607 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: that what And then You've got another level. And I've 608 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: been at places with actually with this particular example was 609 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: kind of a redemption moment for me after my previous 610 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: health anxiety where I had made some changes and this 611 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: particular health concern came up, and I remember sitting my 612 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 2: gown on ready to go in to have I think 613 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: I was for a follow up ultrasound. I had had 614 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: the mammogram and they were doing an ultrasound and I 615 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: was in a point of not knowing whether it would 616 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: be something that was good or bad or anywhere in between. 617 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: And I just was in a place where I could 618 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: say thank you God for this health scare because I 619 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: feel like I have been redeemed from the anxiety that 620 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: I spiraled from before, because I can see you now, 621 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: I can see that you're with me, and so I 622 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 2: was able to give thanks for that particular thing. Now 623 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: there are hole slew of other things I haven't been 624 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: able to give thanks for because of being so anxious. 625 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 2: But that was one moment and one incident, and I 626 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: had like a six month span of checking back, but 627 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: it ended up being benign. But in that moment I 628 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: was able to give thanks for the things. So I 629 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: think that's three different levels of thankfulness of thanksgiving. 630 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I particularly like the beginning of it. What 631 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: I find the most helpful is just remembering God's character 632 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: and his promises. Before we close, I want to give 633 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: you our listeners something simple to carry with you. If 634 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: anxiety feels really overwhelming right now, don't try to do 635 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 3: everything we talked about today. Just choose one practice, maybe 636 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 3: five minutes of praise. Try that for a bit, see 637 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: how that goes. Or you can try writing your fears down. 638 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: You can try praying honestly without filtering yourself, and you 639 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 3: can practice just sitting in God's presence asking him to 640 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: help you become more aware of his presence well, and 641 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 3: I wish we had we Actually, if you guys knew 642 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 3: Jamie and I had so many things we want to 643 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 3: talk about, we could be here for like five years. 644 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 3: But you're gonna have to get her book because so 645 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to read from the back cover. Award winning 646 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 3: Christian authors Delana Terry and Jamie Hampton launched the Praying 647 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 3: Christian Women podcast in twenty seventeen. Seven years and one 648 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 3: point six million downloads later, they are excited to announce 649 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 3: the release of their first co written book, She Prays 650 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: like a Girl. Discover the joy and power of praying 651 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 3: like you and no one else. So it sounds like 652 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: it's praying to your natural bent and personality very much. 653 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 3: So oh, that sounds. 654 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: Exciting, not thinking that you have to model your prayer 655 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: life after anyone. That we need to embrace our individuality 656 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: and the way God made us, whether it's the way 657 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 2: we learn our motivational styles, whatever it is, and just 658 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: embrace that and pray like you. 659 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: I love it, And so I'm we're gonna have to 660 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: have you back on later because that would be a 661 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: really great topic as well, just like what does it 662 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: look like for us? And so back to her back cover. 663 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: We live in a world inundated with negative messages about 664 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: womanhood and to the men who are listening, and also 665 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 3: about malehood. Absolutely, and she Prays like a Girl shines 666 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 3: a spotlight on the lies women have been believing about themselves, 667 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 3: with the goal of empowering them to move forward in 668 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: an unencumbered relationship with God. Readers will come away from 669 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 3: She Praised like a Girl with a renewed appreciation of 670 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 3: their uniqueness, a deeper understanding of the gift of womanhood 671 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 3: or malehood, and a passion to pray according to how 672 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 3: God designed them. And if you get nothing else from 673 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 3: this episode, he designed you, created you, empowers you for 674 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 3: freedom and thriving life. Jamie, this has been such a 675 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 3: great conversation. Thank you so much. 676 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for having me Jennifer. This has been 677 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: so fun. 678 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 3: And now I thank you for listening. If you haven't 679 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 3: already done so, I encourage you to subscribe to this podcast. 680 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 3: Then you won't miss a single episode. Me and Carol 681 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 3: would love to hear from you. If you have feedback, 682 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: If you have topics you would love for us to cover, 683 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: reach out to us through our websites. You can find 684 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 3: that in the show notes. We also encourage you to 685 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 3: share this content with your family and friends, because we 686 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 3: we want all of God's children to live in the 687 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 3: joy and peace that Christ already purchased for us through 688 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 3: his death and resurrection, and make sure to read it 689 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 3: that encourages us and it helps others to find our content. 690 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 3: Until next time, may you live as one who truly 691 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 3: has been set free.