1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: Has it shifted in either the past two or three years, 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: since the October slaughter in Israel or since the US 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: bombing in June. 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: It has had impact on the Iranians. The misery has increased, 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: the war. The economy is really bad. Tens of thousands 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: are being killed and executed. But every time there has 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: been killing, after every massacre of the government, suddenly I 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: see a new wave of people coming to Christ. 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: Thousands dead, economic downfall. Iran is teetering on the edge 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: of collapse. And yet our guest today, our former Iranian Muslim, 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: says that God is at work in Iran. Doctor Hermo's 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: Shuriat has been called the Billy Graham of Iran. He 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: is back on the show to give us insight in 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: what is happening in Iran and a glimpse behind the 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: scenes of what God is doing amidst the chaos and 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: unreasked Doctor Sherriott, thanks for coming back. 18 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: Well, thank you Sean for asking me to give an update. 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 1: The amazing things good and bad is happening in Iran. 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad to give an update. 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: Well, we want to hear both. But remind our viewers 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: or maybe some who missed our interview from just a 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 2: few weeks ago about your story. Give us a sense 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: of your experience growing up in Iran and then your 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: journey to Christ. 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Yes, I was born in Iran as in a Muslim family. 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: I was pretty devout in my early years. But then 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 1: when I got to teenage years, I started thinking, Hey, 29 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: memorizing this prayer and repeating it doesn't really add anything 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: to my life. So I'm going to be a good 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: person and follow my dream, which was come to United States, 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: get a PhD in science and be a scientist. So 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: I worked hard. I was a good student. In seventy nine, 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: I was a young student on the street of Tehran 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: during the Iranian Revolution, and I was shouting death to America, 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: death to Shah, which, by the way, I've changed my mind. 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: So I but you know no death. As a child 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: of God, I never say death to anybody. We are 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: we are army of life, we are instruments of life. 40 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: So but I came to United States in Southern California. 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: I went to University of Southern California and studying AI 42 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: and during that time I got interested in spiritual things. 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: I said that Where's God? Life is empty without him, 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 1: and I wanted to be a good Muslim. I got 45 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: a Koran, read it carefully with the intention of becoming 46 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: a good Muslim, but this time objectively. I studied Koran. 47 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: I realized there's something wrong with it. It doesn't apply 48 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: to my daily life. God is distant, where is he? 49 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: And he just commands some you know, some orders, which 50 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: many of them is very violent. So I said, if 51 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: God has written other books like Bible, I'm an open 52 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: minded I think all religions are the same, and if 53 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: I really study them, they're going to be I'm going 54 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: to prove that they're all basically the same. So I 55 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: started reading the Bible, not expecting to find anything new, 56 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: just so that I can say I've read it. But 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: the more I read it, especially in the New Testament 58 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: Book of Matthew, I realized, no, my theory which many 59 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: intellectuals have it. Intellectuals think, hey, all these religions are 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: the same. Why do they find That's what I thought. 61 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: The more I compered the Bible and Koran, I realized 62 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: both cannot be true, so different, fundamentally different. So I 63 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: went to a crisis, which one is true? Which one 64 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: is true? Then I went to a Church of the 65 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: Open Door in downtown Los Angeles, where Javin and McGee 66 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: was the previous pastor. There. That's where I heard a simple, 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: a simple message of the Gospel which transformed my life. 68 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: Even a child can't understand. You don't have to have 69 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: a PhD to understand it. At that simple message transformed me, 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: transform my wife, healed our marriage, and I got excited. Hey, 71 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: this message has power to change lives, to heal relationships, 72 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: to even transform nations. And I felt something that I 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: hope everybody feels that way, every Christian. I felt, I 74 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: am selfish if I keep this message to myself. Being 75 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: a shy, introvert engineer, I pushed myself to share the gospel. 76 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: Muslims started coming to Christ. Many many came to Christ 77 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: for us and planted churches in Silicon Valley. I graduated, 78 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: I went to work in Silicon Valley as a scientist, 79 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: planted churches there in California, and right after ninety eleven, 80 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: we said we got to do something. We bought a 81 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: one hour of airtime on a secular channel sharing the 82 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: Gospel with Iranians through satellites. No and that one hour 83 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: a week turned to be twenty four to seven for 84 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: the last fifteen sixteen years now. 85 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. Folks, you can see his 86 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: passion coming through. If you missed our earlier conversation, check 87 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: it out. We walk through depth of your analysis the 88 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: chron how it changed you, affected your marriage. Your brother's 89 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: death is a piece of the story that so motivated 90 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: you to care for Muslims even though and maybe briefly, 91 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: just remind us of what happened there and how that 92 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: has fueled your passion to reach Muslims. 93 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: Well. As I shared, I felt I should be sharing 94 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: the gospel, because that's selfish if you have this simple 95 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: message that people can understand, but it will transform their lives. 96 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: So I had started sharing the gospel, not many results. 97 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: It was after Ivanian Revolution, very very few people even 98 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: were interested in hearing me about from me about the gospel. 99 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: But I was a new believer. Where they arrested my 100 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: younger brother he was sixteen and minor political charges. He 101 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: was connected to a political group where how many the 102 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: supreme leader had accepted them, but then he changed his 103 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: mind made them illegal, so he started arresting and killing them. 104 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: And one of my brother brothers was Dad. He was 105 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: arrested sixteen years old. They kept him for two years 106 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: and then when he turned eighteen, they executed him. And 107 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: when my mom went to get his body, they charged 108 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: my mom, which is doing it today when we get 109 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: to sharing what's happening today. So I went to a 110 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: questioning of God, not questioning of my faith. I knew 111 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: this has worked, but questioning God, what am I supposed 112 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: to do when I see injustice as a Christian? What 113 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: do you want me to do? So that's after going 114 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: up becoming revengeful. God said, no, no, revenge is mine hate, No, no, 115 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: you gotta love your enemies. So two three days of morning, 116 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: I felt God telling me this that those who killed 117 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: your brother, they are not your enemies. They're victims in 118 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: the hands of one enemy, which is Satan. So I 119 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: have compassion on them. I felt forgiveness for them, and 120 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: also I felt love. These people are going to hell. 121 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: They don't know my savior and they don't know what 122 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: they're doing. So I received the love for Muslims and 123 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: I said God, okay, I will share the gospel. And 124 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: God said, you want to you want to revenge, take 125 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: revenge of Satan? Yes, Lord, okay, those people are not 126 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: my enemy. Satan is my enemy. Okay, what am I 127 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: supposed to do? He said, evangelize, share the gospel. That's 128 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: the best thing you can do to harm the enemy, 129 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: the dark spirit of Islam. Okay, I will do that. 130 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: And then I said, if I will dedicate my life 131 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: to sharing the Gospel with Muslims lovingly out of the 132 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: love motivation, Amen, But if I'm going to dedicate my life, 133 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: would you use my life to bring one million Muslims 134 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: to Christ. I didn't know what I was talking about. 135 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: But God has been faithful, Sean, God has been faithful. 136 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: No satellite television. It came back twenty thirty years after 137 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: that conversion, But God has been faithful. I don't know. 138 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,559 Speaker 1: We have the names of over one hundred and twenty 139 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: thousand that have come to Christ, and probably we have 140 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: passed that one million. I don't know. 141 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: That's incredible. I can only I can imagine in some 142 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: ways having this happen to your brother so many years ago, 143 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: and seeing the unrest, which has not stopped really since 144 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine but seems to pick up steam, would 145 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: bring some of those memories back. So let's maybe shift 146 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: and talk about why is this cultural moment, the political unrest, 147 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: economic collapse, and aging supreme leader. Why is this moment 148 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: we find ourselves in so important in Iran. 149 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: Well, Iranians have gone through a spiritual journey. You see 150 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: what's happening today, But there is a history. Irania has 151 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: believed in Islam. They were ready to live and die 152 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: for Islam, which they did in the eighties. They in 153 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: Iran Iraq war. They were ready to give their lives 154 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: and they did. And when I would I would share 155 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: the Gospel with them. Many of them would say, you're 156 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: you're infidel, You're a traitor to your people. But they 157 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: took the spiritual journey. After forty years of experiencing Islam, 158 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: practically Islam in their every aspect of their lives, they 159 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: saw the ugly side of Islam, the true side of Islam. Corruption, deception, 160 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: which is or you know in Koran, violence, which is 161 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: in Koran, which is with Muhammad the prophet. All of 162 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: these you see in the Prophet, and it's in the 163 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: in Koran. You know Islam is a religion of peace. 164 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: I said, look at Prophet Mohammad's life and prove to 165 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: me that Islam is a religion of peace. So after 166 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: forty years of experiencing Islam, the people of your own 167 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: have come to cry, have come to believe that Islam 168 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: is not the way. Islam is the source of our problem. 169 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: It's evil. I don't say that Islam is from Satan 170 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: because that doesn't help my evangelism. But people Ivanian Muslims sean. 171 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: I hear them saying Satan, Islam is from Satan. So, 172 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: especially during this last massacre, more more people have come 173 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: to say we're done with Islam. Islam is it's not 174 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: just that, not for us, it's not for anybody. We 175 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: need to get rid of it if we want to 176 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: have a future for our country. So that's what happened, 177 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: forty some years of a spiritual journey to to a 178 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: point that Iranians, majority of them, done with Islam. That's 179 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: why we see such a high conversion rate coming to 180 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. 181 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that a little bit and maybe 182 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: share with us. You did a little bit earlier. But 183 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: what your ministry has been doing for twenty five years, 184 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: we be doing he said about fifteen sixteen years with 185 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: the radio. But has it shifted in either the past 186 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 2: two or three years since the October slaughter in Israel 187 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: or since the US bombing in June, like, have thing 188 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 2: shifted in that window? And if so, how. 189 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: Yes, every incident, when you look at it, it has 190 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: had impact on the Iranians, negatively and positively. Negatively is 191 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: the miserable life, The misery has increased, the war, the 192 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: economy is really bad. It's not the first time Iranians 193 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: are on the streets. They have done it every two 194 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: or three years, and every time thousands of them have 195 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: been well, not like today when tens of thousands are 196 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: being killed and executed, but every time there has been killing. 197 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: And when I look at the pattern, after every massacre 198 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: of the government, suddenly I see a new wave of 199 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: people coming to Christ. I see like this that there 200 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: are hardcore Muslims just like an onion, and when things 201 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: like that happen, another layer of Onion depart from Islam 202 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: come to Christ. So even today I'm talking to our leaders, 203 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's hard Iranians are being killed. We are grieving, 204 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: they are grieving. I've cried multiple times. It's just a 205 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: worst of all times. But be prepared because every time 206 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: more Iranians come to Christ, and I can see and 207 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: I can hear some of our staff are telling me 208 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: even that close, hey, my family, my family member is 209 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: such a devout Muslim and he was just cursing me 210 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: all these years, and he said, and they would say, 211 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: if you come to Iran, we will deliver you to 212 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: the to the regime to be killed. He said, even 213 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: my family are asking me about Jesus these days. Those 214 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: who were so devout wanted to kill me, now they're asking. 215 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: So there, let me share this with you, because this 216 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: is not new. Every time this happens Sean. Every year. 217 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: I feel things cannot get worse for the people of Iran. 218 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: The violence, the killing, the economy cannot get any worse. 219 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: But then it does. And at the same time, the 220 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: spiritual openness of the Ivannians, I say, it cannot get 221 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: any better. It cannot get a bit looking people are 222 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: coming to Christ. But you know what, then it does. 223 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: Both are happening. The worst is getting worse, and the 224 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: openness of the Iranian people to the Gospel is getting 225 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: better and better. Unfortunately they're coming. These two happens at 226 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: the same time. 227 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 2: Is there any sense of the people where they go, Okay, 228 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: this supreme leader and regime is not really representing true Islam. 229 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: We want real Islam or in their minds is it 230 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: like no, this is what Islam is. And you're seeing 231 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: more and more people reject it as a whole, regardless 232 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: of how it's practiced over the past forty years in Iran. 233 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: Very good question. I've seen that trend that, like in 234 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: the eighties and the nineties, majority of people felt that Okay, 235 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: something is wrong with this regime is killing our people, 236 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: they're forcing but really there's nothing wrong with Islam. It's 237 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: the problem is our regime is implementing it wrong. But 238 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: through that spiritual journey, people have come to conclusion. Most 239 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: of them still maybe they're small core that still believe 240 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: Islam is okay, it's just the government, but the majority 241 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: of Iranians have come to conclusion the problem is not 242 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: with our Islamic government. The problem is with Islam itself 243 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: has major flaws. So the rejection of the government Islamic 244 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: government is coming along with the rejection of Islam. The 245 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: people of Iran have rejected Islam and it has taken 246 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: them forty some years, so it's not an overnight emotional decision. 247 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: It's very deliberate. That's why I make this outrageous statement 248 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: which I believe. Are you ready to hear it? Iran? 249 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: Iran is no longer an Islamic nation and it will 250 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: never be. 251 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, all right, explain what you mean and 252 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: defend it. Go. 253 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't defend it because I see that with people. 254 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: But now I can defend it. Four five years ago 255 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: they did their survey to university professors in Europe, did 256 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: a very scientific study of fifty thousand Iranians asking them 257 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: what you believe? So less than one third said we 258 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: believe in Islam. And that's five years ago. Through all 259 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: these I would say, not thirty, less than thirty. I 260 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: think it's less than ten. Right now, ten percent would 261 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: say Islam is the way. So one third said. Only 262 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: less than one third said we believe in islm. Another 263 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: one third said God, We don't believe in God, or 264 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: God is not important to us. And the last one 265 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: third looked all over the place for God, Eastern religion, 266 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: you age religion, and of course of course Christianity. That 267 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: many are coming to christ. So there is a solid 268 00:16:54,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: proof for Iran is no longer an Islamic nation, a proof. 269 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: But the trend we are going that the hatred, the 270 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: militancy against Islam. The people are your saying, we have 271 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: to destroy Islam if you want to have a future. 272 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: So putting this two together, you can easily predict that 273 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: Islam that will never come back, never will come back 274 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: to Iran. Maybe always a little minority, but done. Islam 275 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: has experienced its greatest defeat in its history in Iran. 276 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: Today Islam is done in Iran. 277 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: That is a powerful statement for you to say. I 278 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: appreciate your boldness behind that. So let me make a comparison. 279 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: I know it's not perfect, but I think you'll see 280 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: where I'm going to this. When you look at individuals 281 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: who leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, 282 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: when they leave the Mormon Church, one would think, oh, 283 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: they'd come back to historic Christian faith because Mormonism spun 284 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: out of the Christian faith. And yet it's only a 285 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: minority who actually become Christians. Many become agnostics, atheists because 286 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: they're burned by religion. And it's kind of like, I 287 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: can't trust these religious authorities. I don't trust this religious text. 288 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: Do you have a sense of those who leave Islam 289 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: and Iran? You said many are becoming Christians. Do we 290 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: have the numbers or sense of how many are becoming Christians, 291 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: how many become agnostics, atheists? Or is it really just 292 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 2: impossible to really have that data right now? 293 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: The only scientific data is we have that's about five 294 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: years old, which told us about one point three million 295 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: Muslims have become Christian. The number is much more than that, 296 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: but the numbers are increasing. But there's no way right 297 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: now to know exact numbers. But let me share you 298 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: a funny thing I tell in my interviews. They say, 299 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: like you, what's your estimate? I say, you know, two 300 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: or three to three million Muslim background believers in Ivon. 301 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: Then they say, aren't you exaggerating? I said, well, I 302 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: don't know. At one point three is scientific, but probably 303 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: more than that. And my experiences like that. And the 304 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: funny thing is I give the same number, Sean, I 305 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: give the same number to our underground church leaders. I say, 306 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: tell me how many are coming to christ? I told them, 307 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: I'm telling the Westerners two to three million. You know 308 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: what the leaders tell me, Hey, pastor hormones, why do 309 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: you downplay what God is doing here? There are many more? 310 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: And they tell me stories. They tell tell me they 311 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: go on streets to share the gospel, and they find 312 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: many people who already are Christians. They more than once. 313 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: They tell me. They take a taxi and they want 314 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: to start sharing the gospel with the taxi driver. Before 315 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: they do, the taxi driver shares the gospel with them. 316 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: They go on in a shopping center and they talk 317 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: to the seller and I want to start sharing the gospel, 318 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: and they say, oh, he's already Christian. Through media, they said, 319 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: I know, Pastor Hormones, I want watching the program. I've 320 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: been a Christian a year or two or six months. 321 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: So the numbers nobody knows, but I believe it's at 322 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: least three million. 323 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 2: Oh at least three million, which if Uran has eighty 324 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: to ninety million people, we still have a ways to go, 325 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: but minimally it's far more than what people would think. Okay, 326 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: So I read the New York Times and I watch 327 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 2: Fox News. I really try to watch news from different 328 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: sides to get both perspectives as I can. And I'm 329 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: tracking what's happening in Iran from the outside. But I 330 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 2: always ask myself the question, what am I missing? What's 331 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: not being covered? So what might an outsider like myself 332 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: or a news organization not cover that we should know 333 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: about just as a whole, what's happening in Iran or 334 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: what the people there would want us to know that 335 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: maybe it's not getting the coverage it deserves. 336 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: Well, the Western media is biased. That's not a shock, 337 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: that's not new and they can choose what news they 338 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: cover according to what they believe. So they've decided not 339 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: to cover this massacre in a major way. Maybe they 340 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: mentioned it a little bit. And the media in the 341 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: West is very afraid, very I call it really fear. 342 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: Are very afraid of Muslims. They're afraid to offend them 343 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: because they know if you offend them, you could be killed. 344 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: They would go violent. I mean, they won't accept that. 345 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: So spirit of fear is the spirit of Islam. And 346 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: many times I challenge even Christians and maybe I should 347 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: right now if you're a Christian and you hate must 348 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: or you're afraid of them, knowing that the spirit of 349 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: hatred and fear is from Islam. If you hate them, 350 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: and if you angry, if you revengeful, maybe maybe you're 351 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: being controlled by the spirit of Islam, because that's a 352 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: spirit if you're afraid. So the Western media is influenced 353 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: by that fear. But the source of that fear we 354 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: know in love, God are God is love, and in 355 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: love there is no fear. So why are they afraid 356 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: of Islam in America? They can attack Christians all they want, 357 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: They can attack you know, the right whoever is again 358 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: doesn't believe like them easily, but very scared of talking 359 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: about Islam and it's violent and what the leaders are done, 360 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: even the Quranic verses. Did you know there was a 361 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: there was a radio host that's just coded an Islamic 362 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 1: verse and he lost his job. He just coded from Kuran. 363 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: Where was this host from? 364 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: What? 365 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: Like what stayed? 366 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: Or was what was a few years ago? This is 367 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: not recent, but it was a few years ago. I 368 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: think it was an East coast. If you google it 369 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: you can find the details. 370 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really interesting. I was talking to my son 371 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: just this week about how, in fact it was just yesterday, 372 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: about how the number one commandment in the Bible is 373 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: do not fear, do not be afraid. It's all over 374 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: the Old Testament, it's all over the Book of Acts. 375 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: And yet there's a lot of fear in our evangelism 376 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: and even our ministry with Muslims. So maybe when I 377 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: take a step back, when you hear people coming to faith, 378 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: whether it's over the past thirty years or during these 379 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 2: kind of tumultuous periods, what are the common threads that 380 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: kind of tie these stories together. What is it that 381 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 2: makes somebody who's a Muslim, at least in Iran choose 382 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: to follow Jesus. 383 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: There are several elements working together. One element is they 384 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: have rejected Islam, but they're still hungry for God. Even 385 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: some of them say I'm an atheist, but they're not. 386 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: You know, they are hurt by Islam. And so the 387 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: spiritual hunger is there. They're looking and when they hear 388 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: the message of the Gospel, the love, joy, peace, forgiveness, 389 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: the fruits of the spirit, what God is going to 390 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: give them their spirit and this is what's going to 391 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: be produced in their personal life. It's very attractive. Jesus 392 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: is very attractive. When you share Jesus, nobody can compete 393 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: with him. So I've seen this. So number one is 394 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: what is happening in their hearts. Sean. Multiple times I 395 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: share the Gospel with Iranian Muslims. They accept right away 396 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: in two minutes two minutes, and the reason is the 397 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: Gospel is already written in their hearts. When you talk 398 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: about God, God's love, for example, I ask him, do 399 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: you believe in God? No? No, I don't. I don't believe. 400 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: I don't believe there is God. I don't believe in 401 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: God of Islam. I believe. I have my own belief. Okay, 402 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: what do you believe? I believe if there is God, 403 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: he would be a God of love who loves us 404 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: and asks us to love one another. If there is God, 405 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: he would be a God who forgives us and ask 406 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: us to forgive one another. Without reading the Bible, they're 407 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: coding the Bible the God of the Bible. So when 408 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: they hear the Gospel, it resonates with what God has 409 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: already written in their heart. That's why we see such 410 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: a high rate of conversion. I wish I could show 411 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: you our curve. Our curve is just like an exponential. 412 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: The last few years is shooting up the number of salvations. 413 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: So that's number one. Number two is supernatural visions and dreams. 414 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: Visions and dreams happening, just normal healings, asking Jesus to heal. 415 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: They've many of them have that experience. It's so I 416 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: laugh because it's so common Sean that they don't even 417 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: mention it. When they contact me. I have to tell them. 418 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: They don't say, oh I saw Jesus or Jesus healed 419 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: me from cancer. They don't say that it's normal for them. 420 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: I have to ask them, have you had a supernatural experience? Oh, yeah, yeah, 421 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: Jesus healed me, or Jesus appeared to me. Yeah yeah, 422 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: that's of course, that's normal. So Jesus himself is opening 423 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: hearts and he's appearing appearing to them. And number three 424 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: reason is media. We have been on the air for 425 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: twenty five years, satellite television, going over the heads of 426 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 1: the Mollahs, into people's homes and in the living rooms, 427 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: eye to eye, I tell them about over twenty five years, 428 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: Iranians have changed their heart towards Christ. They may not 429 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: be a Christian, but they really have a positive view 430 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: of Christianity because of media. We have presented Jesus as 431 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: a loving savior, just contrary to Allah, and so media 432 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: has has had a major role in changing their mind. 433 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: By the way, we did a survey last year. We 434 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: did some of our leaders did a survey, but better 435 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: than that, we paid a company, a secular company inside Iran. 436 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: We pay the money. Go ask these questions, especially from 437 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: the youth from fifteen to thirty, and give us the result. 438 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: They ask several thousand and they give us results and 439 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: amazing data there. But I want to share one, yeah, 440 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: please one of them. What do how do you view Islam? 441 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: Eighty two percent had a very negative view of Islam 442 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: And a different part of the survey, what do you 443 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: how do you view Jesus and Christianity? Ninety four percent 444 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: said be a positive view of Jesus and Christianity. Eighty 445 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: two Islam bad? I don't want it, ninety four Jesus 446 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: is good, Christianity is good. 447 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: That's amazing. We're just not even hearing these kind of studies, right, 448 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 2: even if it's not exactly eighty two or ninety four. 449 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: These are suggesting just trends that are not being heard 450 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: and told as a part of the story. So let 451 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: me ask you this. You're sharing how the norm it 452 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: is to have dreams and visions and healings. Are you 453 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: hearing these in any different way since the bombing in June? Like, 454 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: are you still getting these? How frequently did these come in? 455 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 2: And how do we know we can trust these accounts, 456 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: especially in our age of like fake news in AI. 457 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: It's happened so many times you cannot ignore that. And 458 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: people who claim that they're ready to die, they, you know, 459 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: just like the Apostles, Why did they were ready to die? 460 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: They saw their reason Jesus, right, that's explanation. Why would 461 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: they give their lives for that that Jesus died and 462 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: was resurrected because they saw him the same here when 463 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: they see Jesus in Iran, they're ready to die, they 464 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: cannot they cannot deny that Jesus. I saw Jesus and 465 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: he healed me. I don't have cancer. How can you 466 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: deny that? So in the Western mindset, we may be 467 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, questioning, and we have seen fake you know 468 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: healings and faith healers here, so very very skeptic. But 469 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: these people have nothing to gain, everything to lose when 470 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: they say that they could be killed, but they still 471 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: cannot deny that Jesus has healed their bodies and has 472 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: appeared to them. 473 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: Do you I realize you're an evangelist and non profit, 474 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: but do you have a sense of what you think 475 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: is likely to happen right now? Given that the Ittola 476 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: is aging, given that Iran is in such a weak 477 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: spot economically, and there's been protests and death and outrage. 478 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: Does this feel and sense different from other such rebellions 479 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: in the past, and any sense of where you think 480 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: this may be going. 481 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, good question. I'm not a prophet, but I read 482 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: the Bible, so what I'm saying is prophetic, but it's 483 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: from the Bible. We know what will happen, and we 484 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: know what's happening. By the way, if you read Jeremiah 485 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: forty nine, verses thirty four and on, you see what's 486 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: happening and andrun. In those verses Jeremiah forty nine talk 487 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: about removing of the kings and prince, and then there 488 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: is a versus of massacre, which is happening right now. 489 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: But eight the Lord says, I will set my throne 490 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: in Ilam. Ilam is a land completely inside Iran today. 491 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: I will set my throne there. And then following versus, 492 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: I will bless that lad, I will prosper that lad. 493 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: So we know where we're going. In general, we're gonna 494 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: Ivan will be a Christian nation. Iran will be a 495 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: sending nation. People say, are you crazy? Where'd you get 496 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: that idea. I stole it from the Bible, so it's 497 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: not my idea, it's it's God's promise. So we know 498 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: the end result now and we know the suffering also 499 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: is in Jeremiah forty nine, and I share that as 500 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: a as a source of hope to people. Now. To 501 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: answer your question, this is more of okay, what's happening 502 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: and maybe guesses. But when the protests started, I went 503 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: on the air that there is a massacre coming. Not 504 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: many people wanted to hear that, and it came. I 505 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: believe that regime will change. The fastest way for it 506 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: to change is if i Ala dies. That would be 507 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: easiest and fastest is all he may die. Another big 508 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: possibility is is a military uprising and they will take 509 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: over the government and they will be with people. They 510 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: change sides from against people to be with people, and 511 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: they will cause regime change. Very unfortunate and improbable. I 512 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: hope it will not happen. Is that militancy, violent confrontation, 513 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: that somehow the people of Yvonne will receive guns and 514 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 1: they will start fighting and killing these molas, which is 515 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: the worst worst situation. And I hope foreign countries will 516 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: not arm the people of Ivan, even though they're being killed. 517 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: But this will get worse and worse. So these are 518 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: possibilities dying and changing. The government is coming sooner or later. 519 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: People of Ivan are afraid. Right now, they're home. They're 520 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: at home. They are not on streets because even if 521 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: you go on street and you may be killed, right now, 522 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: you may be killed. So going on streets very dangerous. 523 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: They staying home for the most part. But sooner or 524 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: later this government will fall, and when it falls, a 525 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: new era will start a new chapter in history. May 526 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: I say this, no matter what happens Sean, I'm telling 527 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: our leaders this. I'm telling you what I'm telling our leaders. 528 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: If the government stays, if the government falls, if things change, 529 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: if things don't change, it our mission doesn't change. We 530 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: are in mission of sharing the Gospel and building His 531 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: kingdom in Iran. So if Iran fall, if the government falls, 532 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: we have a plan. We have a very detailed plan 533 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: as how go back, gather the harvest and start churches. 534 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: Did you know we are in over one hundred cities. 535 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: We have the names of many believers. So when Iran 536 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: opens up, I believe going back, just gathering we can 537 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: plant tens, maybe hundreds of churches in the first three months. 538 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: That was gonna be My next question is, again, I 539 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 2: know this is very different, but I've had a chance 540 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 2: to go to Russia thirteen times, starting in the late 541 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: eighties when I was about probably thirteen years old, seeing 542 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 2: the walls fall of Communism, and the church that was 543 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 2: there have responded some ways well, some ways not as well, 544 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: which is a separate conversation. It sounds like you have 545 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: confidence that either believers there or organizations like yours or others, 546 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: that if this does fall, there will be a basis 547 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: to move in and start networking and reaching and equipping 548 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 2: and strengthening people. You have confidence in that process. 549 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: Yes, because we already have established relationship and trust with 550 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: these people. We're not going to start from scratch when 551 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: Iran opens up. Are the Iran alive? We are not 552 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: going to go there. Okay, let's evangelize, let's gather let's disciples, 553 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: which is a good process, but we are way ahead 554 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: of that curve. We've already done. We have many who 555 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: have come to Christ, we have trained many, we have 556 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: many leaders. So when Iran opens up, with the help 557 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: of friends, because this would be a new project, and 558 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: we need support, but with the help of friends, we 559 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: will plant hundreds of churches in the first six months. 560 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: Amazing. So two last questions if I can. Number one, 561 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: how do you think people can best follow what's really 562 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 2: going on? There are there some sources that you trust, 563 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: whether it's yours or another organization. It kind of informs 564 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: people of what's really taking place there and at least 565 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 2: as minimally biased away as possible. How can we track 566 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 2: what's happening spiritually even politically, in a fair way. 567 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: Well, to get information, there are YouTube channels, but you 568 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: have to be very careful. Some are exaggerating things and 569 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: telling things that are not true to just get followers. 570 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: You know, there are Iranian news agencies, but they're in 571 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: Farsi like Iran International, for example, is very connected with 572 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: the people Ivan. Their news is usually very solid and 573 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: up to date. But there are other American podcasters who 574 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: are pretty much accurate, but not all of them. I've 575 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: seen people who don't know what they're talking about. They 576 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: exaggerated them outrageous statements just to gather and false information. 577 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: So we have to be careful. Connect to us, you know, 578 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: go to our website. Iran alive dot org org and 579 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 1: connect to us because we have that sense of book 580 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: what's happening politically, but also what's happening spiritually. You don't 581 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: get that insecular We cover both. This is what's happening 582 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 1: on visible happening in politics, and this is what's happening 583 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: in the spiritual domain. We present the summary of both 584 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: of them. So go to our website, Iran alive dot org, 585 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: join us, get the updates, get the testimonies. The least 586 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: you can get is testimonies that will encourage you. And 587 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: I have so many testimonies of what God is doing 588 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: through Christians. Even today, even on those streets people are 589 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: being killed, Christians are there and I'm receiving great testimonies 590 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: from them. 591 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 2: So I said, two more questions, but we'll keep it 592 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 2: not too much longer. I read a couple articles that 593 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 2: talked about the way that people were being brutalized in Iran, 594 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 2: and I don't want to go into too much detail, 595 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 2: but when I read those articles, it was just jarring, like, 596 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 2: oh my goodness, this is a brutal regime in striking 597 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 2: fear into the people. As much is appropriate, paint what 598 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: it's like to be either a Muslim or Christian, just 599 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: somebody in Iran who has issues with the government and 600 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 2: exactly how they're really cracking down to strike so much 601 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 2: fear into people. 602 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: But they kill people on streets. But besides that, with 603 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,280 Speaker 1: the help of China, they have other instruments of spying 604 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: on their people. For example, you buy a mobile, a 605 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: cell phone in Iran, most likely things are already installed 606 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: on it to track you and so you know, they 607 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: know if they know you were on streets, even if 608 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: you were not killed you go home, they know you 609 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: were there. So after things settle down, just like before, 610 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: thousands are being killed. Right now, tens of thousands are 611 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: being arrested. But if things settle down, first two things 612 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: will happen. Those who are those who are in jail, 613 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: they will start executing them. Last year they killed five 614 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: per day, executed five per day twenty twenty five, so 615 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: would be five per day, maybe fifty per day. Will 616 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: they're going to do it because there's so many, so 617 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: many out there. Another thing will happen is once they 618 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: settle down, they will go to people's homes. Because they 619 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: have a track record that this person was on the street. 620 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: They can prove they will go at home and arrest 621 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: another tens of thousands, which they again, they will kill them. 622 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: I want to share this. It's so heavy on my heart. Sean. Please, 623 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: you know people are calling Trump, could you come and 624 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: help us? That's a lot of desperation. Think of a 625 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: nation so desperate that they're asking other nations, Israel, America, anybody, 626 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: can you come and help us? They are so hopeful 627 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: that Trump will do something for them and and come 628 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: come and save them. They love America, they love they 629 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: love Israel. But I want to make sure I make 630 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: this statement. If Trump does something, it's not just for 631 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: the people of Iran, it will be for the whole world, 632 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: because if you leave this country, this is loving nation 633 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: if you if it survives, and you see how brutal 634 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: it is to its own people, be assured they will 635 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: be after atomic mom and when they have it, they 636 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: have no problem using it against other nations. So what 637 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: Trump is doing, you know, people of your own very 638 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: positive about Trump. They call him Uncle Trump. You may 639 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: be pro Trump, you may be against Trump. I'm not 640 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: getting into that, but I'm saying how people view that 641 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: and what Trump is doing to help people of Iran. 642 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: I believe he's helping the world because if Iranian government survives, 643 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: the whole world will be in trouble. 644 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that on your heart. Is there 645 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 2: anything else I should have asked you? Just about the 646 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 2: ministry that's taking place there, the oppression, this cultural moment, 647 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 2: any insights, something that you just want others to hear 648 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 2: or did we cover it? 649 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: Well, there's one thing I'm passionate because of reading Jeremiah 650 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: forty nine. We see the histories in the making, and 651 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: this is the time. The history is being made in Ivan, 652 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: in the Middle East and the world. And we Christians 653 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: are called not to just step back and watch history. 654 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: God has called us to be history makers. We need 655 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: to be involved both history in America or anywhere in 656 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: the world. In Iran is the time to make history. 657 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm calling out people who have this passion and a 658 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: call to make history, to make a difference around the world. 659 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm calling you come and join us. Let's do it together. 660 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: A nation is ready to come from Islam to Christianity 661 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: and have a positive influence in the Middle East and 662 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,919 Speaker 1: the whole world. This is the time to act. If 663 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: we don't act, we will miss this opportunity. You talked 664 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: about Russia. There was an open years in Russia after 665 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: it fell the Soviet Union fell, but it was closed 666 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: after that. The same in Iran. There is an open heaven, 667 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: there is an open people. Many people are open to 668 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: the gospel. Let's work together to establish strong Christians and 669 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 1: strong churches. I'm calling out history makers. Let's do it together. 670 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 2: I'd love it. Give us your website again so people 671 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 2: can go there to track what's going on, to pray, 672 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 2: and also to hopefully support some of your efforts. 673 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: There iran alive dot org, Iran alive dot org. There 674 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: is another way is to text the word Iran to 675 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: this number eight five seven eight nine, like you get 676 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,240 Speaker 1: your phone. Instead of putting a phone number of the person, 677 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 1: just put eight eighty five seven eight nine eight five 678 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: seven eight nine and just text Iran. You get a 679 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: set of link links to our website, links to some 680 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 1: great testimonies, and if the Lord leads you text to 681 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: support us a link to support us. But do that, 682 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: let's be in touch. History is being made. We'd love 683 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: to share with you what God is doing. 684 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 2: Thanks for your doing, Thanks for carving out time. I 685 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 2: know you've got a ton going on and right now, 686 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 2: there's probably so many stresses what's happened in Iran and 687 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 2: with your leadership and the show and other programs. So 688 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 2: thanks for carving out time. We will ask you back 689 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 2: and do time to give us an update if things 690 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 2: unfold there differently, and folks watching this let us know 691 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 2: if this kind of insight in terms of what's happening 692 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 2: in the world and what God is doing is helpful 693 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 2: on this channel, make sure you hit subscribe while you're 694 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 2: at it, and we teach classes on how to reach 695 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 2: Muslims in our program in the MA program in apologetics. 696 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 2: We would love to have you join us here at 697 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 2: Taba School of Theology, Doctor Hermo's. This has been so 698 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 2: encouraging and so I oh eye opening. Thank you for 699 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,720 Speaker 2: your time and just God bless you and your efforts 700 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 2: for the kingdom. 701 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Sean, so thankful for you. You have a 702 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: mission in life and you're very faithful to what God 703 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 1: has given you and I honor that. 704 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 2: Thanks brother. 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