WEBVTT - Reagan WARNED Us This Would Happen.

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<v Speaker 1>All this talk about politics and elections and midterms and

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<v Speaker 1>majorities in the House and Senate and legislation and agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you got to take a deep breath. You got

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<v Speaker 1>to take a quick break from it. That was frenetic,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it? I'm sorry about that. But I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>caught your attention because you got to stop for a

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<v Speaker 1>second and you got to remind yourself what all these

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<v Speaker 1>elections are really about. It's about America. It's about our

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<v Speaker 1>vision of America. It's about the principles and the values

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<v Speaker 1>that we hold to keep this country alive. not just existing,

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<v Speaker 1>but thriving, dominating, and living up to its potential. America,

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<v Speaker 1>often called the shining city on a hill because of

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<v Speaker 1>those principles and freedom and opportunity. But what does that

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<v Speaker 1>really mean? And do you ever stop and think for

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<v Speaker 1>a second why we go through all of this every

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<v Speaker 1>election season to make sure that America remains that shining

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<v Speaker 1>city on a hill? Well, let's bring in our very

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<v Speaker 1>good friend David Frum from the American Potential Foundation. podcast

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss that. We always like to get down to

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<v Speaker 1>principles with you, David. So thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks. Always tons of fun, Larry.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we say America is a shining city on

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<v Speaker 1>a hill, what do we mean by that exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's something that people around the world

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<v Speaker 2>have looked up to. And what makes it unique is

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<v Speaker 2>the principles it was founded on. Things like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>human dignity and opportunity and freedom And the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>our rights come from our creator, not from the government

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<v Speaker 2>or a dictator or a king. I think that historically,

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<v Speaker 2>what that has resulted in, that the freedom people have enjoyed,

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<v Speaker 2>the communities and society that's been built, the businesses that

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<v Speaker 2>have been built and have created opportunity, the upward mobility

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<v Speaker 2>are all things that people around the world aspire to.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why we have people who want to come here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just not true for other countries where

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<v Speaker 2>People from all walks of life from every continent want

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<v Speaker 2>to come and participate in the American dream. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's something that people, you know, people aspire to.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's so many great stories of people who have

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<v Speaker 2>come here and their lives have improved dramatically because they

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<v Speaker 2>worked hard. They they became Americans and they realize their dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's important for us to sort of focus

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<v Speaker 1>on that value, that principle that America is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a gospel illusion there, shining city on a hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Christ talked about it in the New Testament, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that we're supposed to stand for something

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<v Speaker 1>and represent something and draw people to us. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're out in the wilderness and in the darkness,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to walk toward that shining city that you

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<v Speaker 1>see on a hill. And as we want to enforce

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<v Speaker 1>our borders and enforce our immigration laws to those who

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<v Speaker 1>want to violate our immigration laws, we at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time want to embrace and lift up those who have

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<v Speaker 1>been able to come here, not for a handout, but

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<v Speaker 1>to actually exceed, excel, and actually be a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the American fabric. So have you been focusing on stories

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<v Speaker 1>like that at American Potential?

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<v Speaker 2>We have. And it's such a joy to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>folks who love America for really great reasons, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>for like the core reasons. So we talked to a

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<v Speaker 2>woman named Grace Cabrera. This was a few years ago, actually.

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<v Speaker 2>And she immigrated from Cuba and she experienced religious persecution

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<v Speaker 2>and political repression. And to listen to her as to why,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, then she comes to Florida and realize, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just enjoys the freedom and grows and learns. And now

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of an evangelist for freedom and for America,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because she has lived that contrast and, between

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<v Speaker 2>a repressive regime and government and the effect that it

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<v Speaker 2>has on its people and, you know, having her freedom

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<v Speaker 2>unlocked and that opportunity unlocked for her. Um, I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to a guy from New Hampshire named Michael Yakubich and

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<v Speaker 2>he's from, uh, I think it was from Russia, definitely

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<v Speaker 2>Eastern European nation. And he actually had been a state

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<v Speaker 2>legislator and he had a very serious illness and, um, uh, cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was, uh, advocating for basically kind of right

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<v Speaker 2>to try trying to use investigational treatments and was having

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<v Speaker 2>some success in order by you know petitioning his government

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to get that uh have that opportunity and

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<v Speaker 2>you know his point is like there's just something he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't have done that in a heavy-handed you know uh

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<v Speaker 2>communist regime it was just like well tough luck go

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<v Speaker 2>die and right so And it was just interesting. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a very compelling topic because, you know, the right

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<v Speaker 2>to try and it's kind of a fascinating topic and

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<v Speaker 2>an important one in society. But the backdrop of coming

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<v Speaker 2>from a repressive government was really kind of a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating story to me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Grace Cabrera coming from Cuba and coming to America and

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<v Speaker 1>this Michael Yakubovich. I read up on that interview that

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<v Speaker 1>you did coming from one of those Eastern Bloc countries

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<v Speaker 1>and on the other side of the Iron Curtain. they

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<v Speaker 1>come here, it's almost like they have a better appreciation

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<v Speaker 1>about the freedoms and liberties and opportunities that America has

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<v Speaker 1>to offer coming from those countries than, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>fourth generation American growing up here. It's sad to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's why it's so fun to focus on their

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<v Speaker 1>stories because they get it. They know what we really

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<v Speaker 1>have to offer.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry, I think it's so right. I mean, that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate us doing the America's 250th birthday year. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been kind of blessed by the stories, the activities, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just the time to think about our principles and what

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<v Speaker 2>makes America great. And, you know, I got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of kids, like you have kids and, you know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to, you know, you try to focus them

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<v Speaker 2>on what they might be taking for granted and what

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<v Speaker 2>America offers. And so some of these folks who just

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<v Speaker 2>come here from very different countries, it's great to get

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<v Speaker 2>their perspective because man, you know, it's hard. Sometimes you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I can get caught up in things I'm

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<v Speaker 2>upset about, about, you know, politics or government or society

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<v Speaker 2>and be, and just kind of lose, site of why

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<v Speaker 2>America is unique, wonderful place. So these reminders have always

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of been good for my soul. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I want to remind everybody right now, go

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<v Speaker 1>to a two 50 toolkit.com slash Larry, a two 50

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<v Speaker 1>toolkit.com slash Larry. Cause now we're featuring on that page, the,

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<v Speaker 1>the toolkit specifically for the shining city on a hill

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<v Speaker 1>program here, how, how we built this shining city. And

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<v Speaker 1>the stories that really sort of reinforce our freedom and how,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, our forefathers fought for freedom. But then you get,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like Grace Cabrera, this beautiful woman from Cuba

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<v Speaker 1>who came here. She took up that fight for herself

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<v Speaker 1>and for her family. And what she's been able to learn,

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<v Speaker 1>what I think is so important is that the people

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<v Speaker 1>who come to this country and love this country, because

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<v Speaker 1>so many, it's like, why are we letting people come

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<v Speaker 1>into the country who hate this country? Why are they

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<v Speaker 1>even coming here? But Grace, she came here with this

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<v Speaker 1>love of country, this fight for freedom. And now she

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<v Speaker 1>is civically engaged to make sure that America stays on

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<v Speaker 1>the right course.

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<v Speaker 2>It's, you know, it's every generation's responsibility to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>understand what makes our nation great and then really protect

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<v Speaker 2>it and kind of keep it going forward, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and pass it down to the next generation. as I

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<v Speaker 2>get older, I'm always like, oh, those younger generations, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't get it. They love communism now and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're on our lawn all the time, David. Get

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<v Speaker 1>off our lawn.

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<v Speaker 2>Get off your phone. What's going on here? It really is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it is incumbent upon us to try to

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<v Speaker 2>help them understand, you know, why America is unique and great.

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<v Speaker 2>Because unfortunately, a lot of the voices, the things they're

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<v Speaker 2>reading on their phone or listening to really more accurately

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<v Speaker 2>aren't reinforcing that. They're kind of tearing it down a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times. And I think that's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons we're seeing some disturbing trends with regard to socialism

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<v Speaker 2>and the inroads that it's making, you know, in our

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<v Speaker 2>politics and in the consciousness. I mean, there's some really

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<v Speaker 2>disturbing polling out there about young people and how open

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<v Speaker 2>they are and embracing some forms of socialism. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's going to be a reckoning with that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're going to have that battle of ideas

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<v Speaker 2>over the next few years here. But I think one

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<v Speaker 2>of the ways we combat that is we keep showing

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<v Speaker 2>the China seat on the hill, the example of what,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the American dream is and the principles that

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<v Speaker 2>have made it and how that ideology, socialism, and, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more authoritarianism is incompatible with that and would take us

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<v Speaker 2>in the exactly wrong direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mean, David, we've come a long way

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<v Speaker 1>from ask not what your country can do for you,

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<v Speaker 1>but what you can do for your country. John Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>would not recognize where we are right now for his party,

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<v Speaker 1>at least, because when you listen to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these candidates that are running and pushing sort of this

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<v Speaker 1>socialist agenda, They don't talk about freedom. Freedom and opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>never enters the equation, and liberty never enters. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of reset for a minute. When you look at

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<v Speaker 1>those founding principles, freedom, liberty, limited government, opportunity, how can

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<v Speaker 1>we take those founding principles right now and empower people

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<v Speaker 1>in this country today to shape their own future?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's people, one, taking action. I think one

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<v Speaker 2>of the The unfortunate things about where we are societally

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<v Speaker 2>is that there's a degree of inaction in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people. One, they don't think they can make a difference. Two,

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<v Speaker 2>they're working so hard to try to make the ends meet.

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<v Speaker 2>Or three, they're just lazy. There is a degree of

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<v Speaker 2>that where people have kind of opted out and aren't

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<v Speaker 2>in community. So I think kind of getting involved, our organization,

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<v Speaker 2>Americans for Prosperity, has a lot of ways to get involved.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of other great organizations out there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think being civically involved is huge and being involved talking

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<v Speaker 2>to people and having real conversations, even people who, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have a different point of view. I think it's really important.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, civic engagement and civic responsibility is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a founding principle here too. And, you know, you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the Minutemen and the founding fathers, they weren't all,

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<v Speaker 2>most of them weren't professional politicians or military men. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>most of they were regular people who took up arms

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<v Speaker 2>and also went and, you know, advocated for our country

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<v Speaker 2>and formed it. And so we need more citizens, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>engaged in making our nation better.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, listen, since I just quoted John Kennedy, I got

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good Reagan Republican here and quote Gipper.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he said freedom is never more than one generation

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<v Speaker 1>away from extinction. And he went on to explain that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be fought for, protected and handed on

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<v Speaker 1>for them to do the same. So given that, talk

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<v Speaker 1>about our responsibility right now about ensuring that the next

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<v Speaker 1>generation understands what America really is. And it really is

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<v Speaker 1>about freedom and opportunity because the other side, their solutions,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have that promise in any way whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly right. I mean, You know, look, the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>folks who want more control and, frankly, socialism are actually

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<v Speaker 2>doing a pretty good job spreading their message. They're finding

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<v Speaker 2>full ground, and that's why they're having success in certain areas.

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<v Speaker 2>They are talking about issues like affordability that matter to people.

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<v Speaker 2>And what we need to do is battle those ideas with,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tried and true principles that have made America

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<v Speaker 2>great and kind of show why our principles are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that work. you know, why ours are going to

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<v Speaker 2>lead to more prosperity and opportunity and freedom that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>can enjoy. Uh, and then, and then conversely, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the wreckage of the 20th century that we

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<v Speaker 2>saw from socialism and communism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's all you have to do is look

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<v Speaker 1>at how these ideas have been tried in the past

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<v Speaker 1>in other countries and recognize what a disaster it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a reason why people flee those countries and

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<v Speaker 1>continue to come here. Uh, it's always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>an attractive message to say the government's going to give

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<v Speaker 1>you everything you need so you don't even have to

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<v Speaker 1>work hard to get it yourself. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for it by taking other people's money. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it's an old tried and true message until you

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<v Speaker 1>actually put it into practice.

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<v Speaker 2>David, we got to leave it there.

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<v Speaker 1>But one way people can educate themselves and empower themselves

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<v Speaker 1>and teach their children well is to get all those

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<v Speaker 1>tools put together at a 250 toolkit dot com slash

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<v Speaker 1>Larry dot. It really is a dynamic website brought to

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<v Speaker 1>you by our friends at Americans for Prosperity. David, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of that team, putting all of it together.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a fun year at America's 250, hasn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it really has. And we do what we call

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<v Speaker 2>marquee events, which is like an event a month in

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<v Speaker 2>a different city. I was at one in Vegas last week,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just so fascinating. I had spent some

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<v Speaker 2>time interviewing Larry Elder on stage and a few other

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<v Speaker 2>just fabulous folks. In fact, El Duque from formerly the

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<v Speaker 2>White Sox and the Yankees who fled Cuba to come

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<v Speaker 2>here told a really compelling story about, you know, finding freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>He was working for eight dollars a day in Cuba

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<v Speaker 2>as a major league or a month. I'm sorry. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a major league pitcher. Anyway, incredible. So we've had this

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<v Speaker 2>great advance. We've got another one coming up in Texas

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<v Speaker 2>and one in South Carolina. And it's just been it's

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<v Speaker 2>been fabulous to talk to people, guests and celebrate America's principles.

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<v Speaker 1>A 250 toolkit.com slash Larry, a 250 toolkit.com slash Larry. David,

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<v Speaker 1>next time you're doing a big event in Vegas, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't be there.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got the number.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Elder. I mean, I love Larry Elder.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get me wrong, but Vegas, baby.