1 00:00:02,690 --> 00:00:03,650 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:03,930 --> 00:00:06,409 Speaker 2: We tend to either be paralyzed to even move in 3 00:00:06,450 --> 00:00:09,590 Speaker 2: any direction because we didn't get the magic glow in 4 00:00:09,610 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 2: the dark sign that's like, go this way. Or we 5 00:00:12,180 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: tend to want to chase perfection. So that also paralyzes us. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,099 Speaker 2: Or we let fear win where we're not trusting that 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,970 Speaker 2: if we pursue God and are faithful to him, he 8 00:00:23,010 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: will redirect us. 9 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: The Faith Over Fear podcast, where we discuss powerful truths 10 00:00:32,380 --> 00:00:37,060 Speaker 3: to quiet anxiety and fear, big and small. I'm Jennifer Slattery, 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: and I understand the anxiety and uncertainty of feeling like 12 00:00:42,260 --> 00:00:46,370 Speaker 3: you must make an important decision when you're not 100% 13 00:00:46,370 --> 00:00:50,030 Speaker 3: certain how God is leading. And I suspect maybe you 14 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:54,210 Speaker 3: do as well, because while we belong to a loving, present, 15 00:00:54,470 --> 00:00:57,620 Speaker 3: and faithful God who promises to. 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 4: Lead us along the very best path for our lives. 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,260 Speaker 3: His guidance doesn't tend to come through a megaphone or 18 00:01:03,420 --> 00:01:08,209 Speaker 3: a formal document containing a five-point bullet list. And then 19 00:01:08,250 --> 00:01:14,110 Speaker 3: you add in our insecurities, our wounding, our tendencies towards self-deception, 20 00:01:14,310 --> 00:01:17,149 Speaker 3: and all the other things that make us human. And 21 00:01:17,209 --> 00:01:21,430 Speaker 3: it's understandable why we can find ourselves stuck in what 22 00:01:21,670 --> 00:01:26,740 Speaker 3: feels like a perpetual gray area of indecision. And today 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,300 Speaker 3: I've invited a woman I greatly respect, Jenny Randall, author 24 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: of The Promised Presence, to discuss how we can move 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:40,170 Speaker 3: forward in confidence when we lack the clarity that we want. Jenny, 26 00:01:40,230 --> 00:01:41,890 Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us. 27 00:01:42,450 --> 00:01:44,270 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on, Jennifer. It's good to see you. 28 00:01:44,630 --> 00:01:46,890 Speaker 4: It's always fun to see you. It's awesome. 29 00:01:47,260 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: Today's conversation rests on a few assumptions that we genuinely 30 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: want to follow Christ's will for our lives, that we 31 00:01:54,260 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: are actively seeking his will while dealing with those things 32 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,690 Speaker 3: like pride and selfishness that can sort of outvolume his voice. 33 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,830 Speaker 3: And I pray that this episode helps us recognize the 34 00:02:05,950 --> 00:02:08,910 Speaker 3: fears and the lies that might be keeping us stuck. 35 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,420 Speaker 3: that we can view them through the lens of God's 36 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 3: unchanging character and pursue as best as we're able the 37 00:02:15,780 --> 00:02:21,730 Speaker 3: holiest and the healthiest path before us while remaining pliable 38 00:02:22,030 --> 00:02:26,739 Speaker 3: to his redirection. And Jenny, as the founder of the 39 00:02:26,780 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: Holy Spirit Ministry Center. I know, and from having talked 40 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:32,500 Speaker 3: with you and engaged with you, I know you are 41 00:02:32,540 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: incredibly sensitive to the work and the voice of the 42 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,989 Speaker 3: Holy Spirit. But I also suspect that that hasn't completely 43 00:02:39,230 --> 00:02:43,250 Speaker 3: eliminated all ambiguity when it comes to making some decisions. 44 00:02:43,270 --> 00:02:45,209 Speaker 3: At least I hope it hasn't done that, that we 45 00:02:45,230 --> 00:02:48,750 Speaker 3: are like you're like me a little. And so Can 46 00:02:48,770 --> 00:02:52,270 Speaker 3: you share a time when you felt like you had 47 00:02:52,330 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: to make a big decision or an important decision and 48 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,019 Speaker 3: you wanted more clarity? 49 00:02:57,540 --> 00:03:00,500 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it's every day. I'm like, Lord. 50 00:03:01,460 --> 00:03:05,470 Speaker 2: But there was a situation maybe eight-ish years ago. My 51 00:03:05,530 --> 00:03:09,290 Speaker 2: husband and I really felt called to relocate our family. 52 00:03:09,590 --> 00:03:12,890 Speaker 2: At the time, we had two young preschool-aged kids. And 53 00:03:13,470 --> 00:03:16,610 Speaker 2: my job was thriving. We were in upstate New York. 54 00:03:16,690 --> 00:03:19,329 Speaker 2: We had great church community. We were really involved. But 55 00:03:19,370 --> 00:03:22,730 Speaker 2: my husband was struggling. And he struggled with seasonal depression 56 00:03:22,750 --> 00:03:25,710 Speaker 2: because he's a native Californian. So the New York snow 57 00:03:25,870 --> 00:03:26,930 Speaker 2: is something else. 58 00:03:27,090 --> 00:03:27,830 Speaker 4: Yeah. 59 00:03:28,530 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: So I remember our pastor was like, hey... maybe you 60 00:03:31,780 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: should start actually paying attention to what Matt's saying, your husband. 61 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean? 62 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: And I realized he was saying things like, oh, I 63 00:03:39,860 --> 00:03:41,790 Speaker 2: feel really depressed, like all the time. 64 00:03:41,890 --> 00:03:44,270 Speaker 1: And I don't like it here. And I was like, oh, wow, 65 00:03:44,350 --> 00:03:45,190 Speaker 1: I should pay attention. 66 00:03:45,450 --> 00:03:48,530 Speaker 2: So it just wasn't a great fit for who he 67 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:51,230 Speaker 2: is and how God wired him. And Of course, God 68 00:03:51,270 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: can grace you for an area, but we just felt 69 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,340 Speaker 2: led like God wanted us to relocate and move. And 70 00:03:56,380 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: we didn't know where that was. And it was a mystery. 71 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,890 Speaker 2: And prayerfully, we felt like, okay, let's land in Florida. And, 72 00:04:01,910 --> 00:04:05,180 Speaker 2: you know, along that journey of selling a house. trying 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: to find a house. All of that, you think the 74 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: Lord's loud and clear, and then you're about to sell 75 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:11,540 Speaker 2: your house and then it falls through. And you're like, 76 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: what is going on? So there would just be things 77 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,310 Speaker 2: like that one after another that you're like, okay, we're 78 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,410 Speaker 2: doing this. This is God's confirmation. 79 00:04:18,450 --> 00:04:19,270 Speaker 1: We're in route. 80 00:04:19,410 --> 00:04:21,470 Speaker 2: And then something would kind of throw you off the 81 00:04:21,510 --> 00:04:24,450 Speaker 2: path that makes you question, is this being a viable 82 00:04:24,470 --> 00:04:25,430 Speaker 2: thing God wants for us? 83 00:04:25,690 --> 00:04:27,409 Speaker 1: So that was a big wrestling match with the Lord. 84 00:04:27,690 --> 00:04:30,270 Speaker 2: We did end up moving to a place called Amelia 85 00:04:30,350 --> 00:04:33,180 Speaker 2: Island in Florida, and it's been the greatest answer to 86 00:04:33,220 --> 00:04:36,130 Speaker 2: prayer ever. For our family, it's been such a blessing. 87 00:04:36,630 --> 00:04:40,669 Speaker 2: And looking back, you're like, oh, that tracks. I see 88 00:04:40,710 --> 00:04:43,580 Speaker 2: how the Lord was orchestrating it all, right? You can 89 00:04:43,620 --> 00:04:45,940 Speaker 2: see the pieces once you're on the other side of it. 90 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:48,260 Speaker 2: But in the midst of it, it's like, maybe we 91 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: didn't hear him. 92 00:04:48,820 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: There's doubt. 93 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: There's all these things that creep in and you begin 94 00:04:51,990 --> 00:04:53,630 Speaker 2: to kind of feel like, I don't want to blow 95 00:04:53,650 --> 00:04:55,110 Speaker 2: up my whole life and mess it up. 96 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,820 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really big fear for those 97 00:04:58,860 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: who are really listening today. I'm assuming that they just 98 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,820 Speaker 3: they want to please God. That's like their core desire 99 00:05:05,980 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: and the fear of messing it up. But I wonder, 100 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 3: let's just sit here for a minute. And that fear 101 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:13,500 Speaker 3: of messing it up. Do you think ever that that 102 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,770 Speaker 3: that can reveal when like in situations like you talked 103 00:05:16,830 --> 00:05:19,970 Speaker 3: about that can reveal maybe a misunderstanding of God's character? 104 00:05:20,740 --> 00:05:22,620 Speaker 2: If we're holding on to fear that can show a 105 00:05:22,660 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: misunderstanding of God's character. 106 00:05:24,580 --> 00:05:28,930 Speaker 3: I guess I'm wondering how might viewing him. Sometimes I 107 00:05:29,010 --> 00:05:31,610 Speaker 3: wonder if we have this view that he's kind of 108 00:05:31,650 --> 00:05:34,029 Speaker 3: a pass or fail God and we've got to do 109 00:05:34,089 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: it perfectly or he's going to be like that parent 110 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:39,539 Speaker 3: wagging their finger over us. Like I told you, you 111 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: messed up. Go and time out. 112 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 4: I wonder if sometimes that gets tangled in there. 113 00:05:43,390 --> 00:05:47,180 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like thinking, yeah, that's a great illustration. I found, 114 00:05:47,260 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: especially in my line of work and my own life, 115 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,340 Speaker 2: we tend to either be paralyzed to even move in 116 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: any direction because we didn't get the magic glow in 117 00:05:56,180 --> 00:05:58,980 Speaker 2: the dark sign that's like, go this way. Or we 118 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,789 Speaker 2: tend to want to chase perfection. So that also paralyzes us. 119 00:06:04,110 --> 00:06:08,229 Speaker 2: Or we let fear win where we're not trusting that 120 00:06:08,330 --> 00:06:11,660 Speaker 2: if we pursue God and are faithful to him, He 121 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,140 Speaker 2: will redirect us. Say we mess it up. He can 122 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,420 Speaker 2: redirect us. Do we trust him enough that he is sovereign? 123 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,620 Speaker 2: These are like my three core tenets I always stand on, 124 00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: like in our family. 125 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,580 Speaker 1: God is sovereign, so he knows what he's doing. He 126 00:06:25,670 --> 00:06:27,690 Speaker 1: is good and he is a healer. 127 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:30,510 Speaker 2: So I trust that he can guide and direct me, 128 00:06:30,730 --> 00:06:32,610 Speaker 2: even if I butcher it, even if I get it right. 129 00:06:32,710 --> 00:06:35,150 Speaker 2: Like he can humble me in that process as I 130 00:06:35,190 --> 00:06:36,490 Speaker 2: walk out this life with him. 131 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 132 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,660 Speaker 3: And I'm also thinking of another fear that sometimes I 133 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:41,540 Speaker 3: will wrestle with when I'm thinking of your story with 134 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:43,660 Speaker 3: your husband. And I'm just going to put myself in 135 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:46,580 Speaker 3: your place. And probably I've built this life. And so 136 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: what I think is the trajectory going forward. Then God's like, nope, 137 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:53,300 Speaker 3: you got to do this for this other person. And 138 00:06:53,460 --> 00:06:56,100 Speaker 3: I can wrestle with, I don't know if it's selfishness, 139 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,070 Speaker 3: but I think it's a fear when you said God 140 00:06:58,130 --> 00:07:00,270 Speaker 3: is good. It's a fear that if I follow him 141 00:07:00,310 --> 00:07:03,570 Speaker 3: in this direction for my spouse is good, will there 142 00:07:03,610 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 3: be good for me too? Have you ever struggled with 143 00:07:07,070 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: the sense of like, what about me, God? 144 00:07:09,780 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 145 00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 146 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: That's the bane of my existence in this ministry work 147 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,740 Speaker 2: I do. It's like, God, did you remember that I 148 00:07:16,780 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: thought you called me to this? And is there a 149 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:21,030 Speaker 2: blessing on the other side of this? That's a question 150 00:07:21,070 --> 00:07:23,950 Speaker 2: I wrestle with a lot in my own humanity. 151 00:07:24,630 --> 00:07:27,590 Speaker 4: Yeah. So walk us through that. 152 00:07:27,630 --> 00:07:29,810 Speaker 3: First of all, I like that you acknowledge the wrestling 153 00:07:29,870 --> 00:07:34,050 Speaker 3: because the one thing that God keeps reiterating to me is, 154 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:37,910 Speaker 3: is bringing it back to relationship. I always want the guidance. 155 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:40,350 Speaker 3: I always want the plan. I always want the blessing. 156 00:07:40,690 --> 00:07:43,790 Speaker 3: But I feel like he is just constantly bringing it 157 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: back to where is your heart with me and prioritizing that. 158 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,180 Speaker 3: And so the wrestling actually can be really good in 159 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: that terms, but really uncomfortable. If we're in that plug 160 00:07:55,460 --> 00:07:58,220 Speaker 3: and play, like do X, do Y and Z will happen. 161 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,350 Speaker 3: So what does wrestling look like for you in both 162 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:05,770 Speaker 3: the honesty of the uncertainty, but then also the respect 163 00:08:05,830 --> 00:08:09,210 Speaker 3: of God, the trust in his character and his heart? 164 00:08:09,590 --> 00:08:09,830 Speaker 4: Right. 165 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:12,130 Speaker 2: I love how you worded all of that because it 166 00:08:12,150 --> 00:08:14,390 Speaker 2: just reminds me of the reverence of God and the 167 00:08:14,670 --> 00:08:18,570 Speaker 2: awe and wonder of who he is. And unfortunately, we 168 00:08:18,610 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: don't always get the 20 point bullet point plan of 169 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:24,340 Speaker 2: what our life looks like. So the wrestling match for 170 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: me is just, I have to remind myself that like 171 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: the things I said, God is good. 172 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: God is sovereign. He is healer. 173 00:08:31,820 --> 00:08:34,780 Speaker 2: And I have to be so attuned to who God is. 174 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,500 Speaker 2: I have to study the word of God, right? So 175 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,119 Speaker 2: I can remind myself, remind my flesh that God is 176 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,220 Speaker 2: bigger than this. And I also too have to constantly 177 00:08:43,300 --> 00:08:47,619 Speaker 2: remind myself that circumstances, my feelings, if I want to 178 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,740 Speaker 2: give up, all this, who I am, all of this, comes. 179 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: Under the authority of Christ and who God is. 180 00:08:55,179 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: So if I start to elevate a circumstance, so say, 181 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:01,420 Speaker 2: for example, God wants us to move to Florida. If 182 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: that circumstance is something I begin to worship more than 183 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,260 Speaker 2: Christ himself, then we're in trouble, right? So like you 184 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: were saying, it's like this constant check your heart, check 185 00:09:10,140 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: your relationship with God. 186 00:09:11,260 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: I mean, and that requires repentance, right? And turning from 187 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,180 Speaker 1: those thoughts. 188 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 4: So explain for those who are new here, what does 189 00:09:16,950 --> 00:09:17,710 Speaker 4: repentance mean? 190 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:23,179 Speaker 2: Yeah, so repentance is simply, so sin is anything that 191 00:09:23,620 --> 00:09:26,530 Speaker 2: takes us away from God's will or his ways. 192 00:09:26,590 --> 00:09:29,150 Speaker 1: So is that how you would summarize sin? 193 00:09:29,450 --> 00:09:30,050 Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense. 194 00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:33,849 Speaker 2: Okay, so when we do something that's not honoring to 195 00:09:33,890 --> 00:09:36,290 Speaker 2: God or taking us out of his will and ways, 196 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: we can repent, which is just saying like, hey, God, 197 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,020 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. And then the other part of repentance 198 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 2: is turning away from that thing. So if I'm repenting 199 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,580 Speaker 2: for worshiping, we're going to move to Florida and it's 200 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: going to be great and making it all about me 201 00:09:48,059 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: and like forgetting to ask God what he thinks about it. Say, 202 00:09:51,260 --> 00:09:53,110 Speaker 2: for example, I need to be like, God, I'm so 203 00:09:53,179 --> 00:09:56,870 Speaker 2: sorry I elevated my circumstance or what I even what 204 00:09:56,890 --> 00:09:59,329 Speaker 2: I thought you said. I'm sorry I held that in 205 00:09:59,370 --> 00:09:59,970 Speaker 2: a higher authority. 206 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: Than who you are. 207 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,179 Speaker 2: And then kind of surrender, giving that to him and 208 00:10:03,220 --> 00:10:04,579 Speaker 2: being like, what do you want to do with it? 209 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: What are we going to do next? What's the next 210 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,150 Speaker 2: step we're going to do? And as Christ followers, we 211 00:10:08,230 --> 00:10:12,030 Speaker 2: have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, who he's constantly 212 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:15,430 Speaker 2: available to help us, give us counsel, guide us and 213 00:10:15,470 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: keep us on track to remain close to Christ. 214 00:10:18,690 --> 00:10:22,630 Speaker 3: Yeah, as you're speaking about the wrestling, I was thinking about, 215 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:25,260 Speaker 3: there's a story in scripture about Abraham. He's one of 216 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:30,140 Speaker 3: the patriarchs and God delivered this really hard truth to him. 217 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: And they had this wrestling match back and forth, which 218 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,420 Speaker 3: my perspective of that story is that it was to 219 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:41,059 Speaker 3: reveal to Abraham what was in God's heart. Like it 220 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,179 Speaker 3: doesn't change, God knew what he was going to do. 221 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,420 Speaker 3: In your wrestling, so when you were wrestling about all 222 00:10:46,460 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 3: of that with your husband, did God reveal things within 223 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,590 Speaker 3: you that maybe he wanted to deal with? Or has 224 00:10:53,610 --> 00:10:56,390 Speaker 3: there been other times, maybe not in that? Are you 225 00:10:56,410 --> 00:10:58,809 Speaker 3: understanding what I'm asking? Like, sometimes I wonder if that 226 00:10:58,929 --> 00:11:03,910 Speaker 3: ambiguity is divinely intentional to get stuff to come to 227 00:11:03,950 --> 00:11:06,699 Speaker 3: the surface that we may not even know are hindering 228 00:11:07,130 --> 00:11:10,540 Speaker 3: our obedience and are yielding to him, our pliability. 229 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,939 Speaker 4: Do you find that ever occurs? 230 00:11:13,550 --> 00:11:16,550 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think as people of faith, we're constantly on 231 00:11:16,990 --> 00:11:19,890 Speaker 2: this refining process. And I know that's like a little 232 00:11:19,910 --> 00:11:24,170 Speaker 2: church word, but I think the Lord is constantly trying to. 233 00:11:24,460 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: Make us look more like him. I mean, that's biblical, right? 234 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: So part of that is letting go of different things 235 00:11:30,860 --> 00:11:33,660 Speaker 2: and like in the journey of figuring out if we're 236 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,729 Speaker 2: supposed to move to Florida. That was a humbling experience 237 00:11:36,890 --> 00:11:40,170 Speaker 2: because my life was doing great. So now that's part 238 00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: of the process. Can I humble myself? And no, I 239 00:11:43,150 --> 00:11:45,740 Speaker 2: can't until the Lord helps me. So then there's a 240 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,819 Speaker 2: dependence of, okay, I'm going to walk with him. We're 241 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,660 Speaker 2: going to figure this out. In my work, it's a 242 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,459 Speaker 2: constant like, okay, am I going to get over myself 243 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: and what I think this job actually looks like? And 244 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:57,660 Speaker 2: can I just serve him regardless? Because did he call 245 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,380 Speaker 2: me in the season to this or did he not? 246 00:11:59,830 --> 00:12:02,650 Speaker 2: And if I have faith that yes, he did, Then 247 00:12:02,730 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 2: every day there's that refining of, okay, well now I 248 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: got to show up and I'm going to have a 249 00:12:06,820 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: good attitude while I do it, which is going to 250 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 2: be hard. So it's that constant dependence on God to 251 00:12:11,660 --> 00:12:13,590 Speaker 2: help us look more like him in the process as, 252 00:12:13,830 --> 00:12:16,090 Speaker 2: as we love him and love others too, which is 253 00:12:16,510 --> 00:12:17,770 Speaker 2: a big part of this whole thing. 254 00:12:17,790 --> 00:12:19,930 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well, and I actually remember when you were 255 00:12:19,970 --> 00:12:24,090 Speaker 3: talking before you launched your ministry. So I remember those conversations. 256 00:12:24,230 --> 00:12:26,350 Speaker 3: And you brought up a really good point. I think 257 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:28,910 Speaker 3: a lot of times the doubts and the questions, did 258 00:12:28,950 --> 00:12:31,449 Speaker 3: I really understand God? And if I didn't understand him 259 00:12:31,630 --> 00:12:35,050 Speaker 3: in this situation, then can I understand him or hear 260 00:12:35,090 --> 00:12:46,860 Speaker 3: his voice in other situations? So Let's talk about a 261 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:50,339 Speaker 3: hypothetical situation. You felt like God led you in this area. 262 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,860 Speaker 3: You obeyed thinking it was going to take you one way. 263 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: You obey and you land in a mess and then 264 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: all the doubts come. 265 00:12:59,100 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 4: So then what do you do? 266 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:04,140 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm laughing because how many times have we been there, right? 267 00:13:04,340 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: I get it. And I think it's, we aren't in, 268 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:09,579 Speaker 1: I mean, we're in. 269 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,130 Speaker 2: Control of outcomes and what we can control, we can 270 00:13:12,290 --> 00:13:13,910 Speaker 2: control and honor God with that. But at the end 271 00:13:13,929 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 2: of the day, God is doing infinitely more than we 272 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: can ever see or imagine. And he's doing things beyond 273 00:13:21,380 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: our scope in the natural because he's a supernatural God. 274 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:28,630 Speaker 2: So I think there's this reminder that, okay, and again, 275 00:13:28,650 --> 00:13:32,390 Speaker 2: I don't want to glamorize circumstances above Christ. So say 276 00:13:32,429 --> 00:13:35,260 Speaker 2: God did call me into that situation. And now it's 277 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:37,780 Speaker 2: a giant mess. I would be like, okay, where was 278 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,900 Speaker 2: the fruit that came from that? And then you sit 279 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: and you prayerfully consider with the Holy Spirit, okay, what's 280 00:13:42,059 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: the fruit that came from this? And fruit is like, okay, 281 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:47,540 Speaker 2: there was goodness here. I saw the kindness of this 282 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,580 Speaker 2: person here. We got to talk to the social worker, 283 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:52,300 Speaker 2: you know, like kind of beginning to recognize how was 284 00:13:52,340 --> 00:13:56,370 Speaker 2: God moving and ministering in this situation? Was there something 285 00:13:56,570 --> 00:13:58,870 Speaker 2: that I messed up? Did I do something that got 286 00:13:58,910 --> 00:14:01,429 Speaker 2: in the way that caused this situation to kind of 287 00:14:01,510 --> 00:14:04,609 Speaker 2: blow up or seem to be off course? And if 288 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: that answer is no, and you're just continually trying, and 289 00:14:07,410 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: even if it's a yes, like continuing to try to 290 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 2: be faithful and steward whatever he asks of us, I 291 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,380 Speaker 2: think as long as we remember a couple things that 292 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: even if God called you to do something really hard 293 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,300 Speaker 2: and it's a disaster, we can be faithful in our life, 294 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: whatever paths he has for us, whether suffering or miracles 295 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: or whatever, we can pursue Christ with our everything. And 296 00:14:32,750 --> 00:14:36,530 Speaker 2: when things go off course in ways we never imagined 297 00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:39,970 Speaker 2: outside of our control. And even in our control, can 298 00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: we still give worship to God? And at the end 299 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,860 Speaker 2: of the day, praise the Lord. Well done, my good 300 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:47,900 Speaker 2: and faithful servant. Like I'm not saying blow up your life. 301 00:14:48,340 --> 00:14:51,860 Speaker 2: God is so mysterious. And I feel like our humanity, 302 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,990 Speaker 2: we just want, we want the 12 point action plan 303 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,109 Speaker 2: because then we did it right. And we can like, 304 00:14:58,130 --> 00:15:00,590 Speaker 2: we can quantify that, but we can't really in this 305 00:15:00,690 --> 00:15:04,100 Speaker 2: faith journey, because We're really in the in-between where the 306 00:15:04,130 --> 00:15:07,700 Speaker 2: world is broken. So we can do our best. We're 307 00:15:07,820 --> 00:15:10,500 Speaker 2: in route to the world being totally beautiful. And we 308 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: get to be part of that story. So we have 309 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: to hold everything loosely and just trust Christ with it. 310 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:18,590 Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, that's us doing 311 00:15:18,630 --> 00:15:19,050 Speaker 2: our best. 312 00:15:19,490 --> 00:15:21,270 Speaker 3: Right. As you were talking, I was thinking of a 313 00:15:21,310 --> 00:15:26,170 Speaker 3: couple situations in my life. The first I'd probably say, 314 00:15:26,410 --> 00:15:30,470 Speaker 3: I actually received Christ as Savior first. I don't know 315 00:15:30,510 --> 00:15:32,210 Speaker 3: the age because I wasn't raised in a Christian home 316 00:15:32,250 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: and it was at a Good News Bible Club in 317 00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:39,260 Speaker 3: a trailer park in this podunk town in Oregon. And 318 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: the woman who opened her home to me and a 319 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,580 Speaker 3: bunch of other kids, I mean. 320 00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:48,510 Speaker 4: We were dirty. We were probably not well raised. 321 00:15:48,590 --> 00:15:50,590 Speaker 3: You know, we didn't have the manners and we made 322 00:15:50,630 --> 00:15:52,250 Speaker 3: a mess of her trailer, I'm sure. 323 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 4: And then we moved. And she never had any idea that. 324 00:15:57,180 --> 00:16:00,660 Speaker 3: Here I am now podcasting decades later. She's going to 325 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: be one of the first people I meet in heaven. 326 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,730 Speaker 3: So she could have thought that like it didn't go 327 00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:07,730 Speaker 3: at all like I thought. And then the other example 328 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:11,310 Speaker 3: I want to give that is profoundly meaningful to me. 329 00:16:12,010 --> 00:16:14,890 Speaker 3: My dad did not like Christians for most of his life. 330 00:16:16,050 --> 00:16:17,300 Speaker 3: And there were times I want to go back to 331 00:16:17,340 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: you said, did we mess up? I messed up with 332 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,250 Speaker 3: my dad all the time. There were times I came 333 00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: so hard and heavy because I wanted him living with Christ. 334 00:16:24,700 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: And so I would push him away. And it got 335 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,500 Speaker 3: to a point where he wouldn't even let me use 336 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: the name God without him getting activated because to him, 337 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: the way he received it was, My daughter thinks I'm, 338 00:16:35,780 --> 00:16:38,020 Speaker 3: you know, it came as a rejection, not as the 339 00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: love and the good news it was in my ignorance. 340 00:16:40,820 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: And there were just times where I would go forward 341 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: and I would respond well at times. And the Holy 342 00:16:45,940 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 3: Spirit was totally leading. And then there are times my 343 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:51,380 Speaker 3: fear and my humanity was leading. And yet the day 344 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:57,020 Speaker 3: before his death, he died unexpectedly from an embolism. He 345 00:16:57,100 --> 00:17:00,340 Speaker 3: posted something on social media that I am a spirit 346 00:17:00,700 --> 00:17:03,500 Speaker 3: led child by God, child of God. So I want 347 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: to go back to like, I feel like God knows 348 00:17:06,180 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 3: we're going to mess up, right? 349 00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. 350 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:10,740 Speaker 2: Yeah. 351 00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:14,179 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. And, and he can, because I. 352 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: Don't know if I've ever, Jenny, I don't know if 353 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,890 Speaker 3: I've ever obeyed God perfectly. I've always had a mix 354 00:17:19,050 --> 00:17:24,969 Speaker 3: of selfishness and holiness and fear and faith and confidence and, 355 00:17:25,030 --> 00:17:27,650 Speaker 3: you know, all the things. And I think that's where 356 00:17:27,690 --> 00:17:31,010 Speaker 3: the rub comes. I could in my humanity get so 357 00:17:31,230 --> 00:17:35,859 Speaker 3: stuck on my sins. of my calling or my life 358 00:17:35,980 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: or my parenting or my marriage. And I just want 359 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: to go back. Can you give those three tenets again? 360 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:44,020 Speaker 3: And how would that speak to when we're like, I 361 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,340 Speaker 3: messed up 50% of the time? 362 00:17:48,940 --> 00:17:51,820 Speaker 1: Yeah, God is good. God is sovereign and God is 363 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,219 Speaker 1: our healer. 364 00:17:53,859 --> 00:17:56,860 Speaker 2: And two, it's like studying God's word and like, what 365 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:59,619 Speaker 2: is the Holy Spirit? Like, what are the tenets for 366 00:17:59,660 --> 00:18:02,100 Speaker 2: you in this season? Because that'll change, right? But what 367 00:18:02,140 --> 00:18:04,530 Speaker 2: are the character traits of who God is that you 368 00:18:04,550 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: have to hold on to. God is grace-filled. God is loving. 369 00:18:07,859 --> 00:18:08,860 Speaker 1: God is kind. 370 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 2: As we build our life with him, what are the 371 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:15,020 Speaker 2: character traits that we know to be true, that are biblical, 372 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: that we can hold on to when we get confused, 373 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: when we're struggling, when we're blowing up our life unintentionally 374 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:23,460 Speaker 2: and we're like, oh gosh, just help me. 375 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:24,580 Speaker 1: God is helper, right? 376 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: So that's why it's so imperative to act as spiritual 377 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: disciplines and not just because that's the Christian thing to do, 378 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: but because it brings us closer to a God who 379 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,790 Speaker 2: loves us and it slows us down enough to not 380 00:18:39,850 --> 00:18:42,770 Speaker 2: only see him and worship him, but also to see 381 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:44,030 Speaker 2: ourselves and. 382 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:45,070 Speaker 1: Have that reflection. 383 00:18:45,770 --> 00:18:47,770 Speaker 2: And I love how you were like, when I don't 384 00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:51,070 Speaker 2: get it perfect, if we think we're getting our life perfect, 385 00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:54,990 Speaker 2: then we better humble ourselves real fast because Because then 386 00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:57,650 Speaker 2: I would ask the question, well, are you trying to control. 387 00:18:57,369 --> 00:19:00,629 Speaker 1: Everything, right? Because there's that facet of things too. 388 00:19:01,230 --> 00:19:04,369 Speaker 2: How many times do I try to control stuff because 389 00:19:04,690 --> 00:19:07,270 Speaker 2: there's anxiety there if I don't, right? Because I don't 390 00:19:07,290 --> 00:19:08,169 Speaker 2: know what's going to happen. 391 00:19:08,450 --> 00:19:10,109 Speaker 3: And a lot of times these are really, like when 392 00:19:10,130 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: I'm talking about my dad's salvation, that's not a small thing. 393 00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:13,859 Speaker 4: Right. 394 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:16,300 Speaker 1: No, huge. 395 00:19:17,060 --> 00:19:20,540 Speaker 2: And true, are we trusting God to orchestrate the lives 396 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,619 Speaker 2: that we're involved in? that we're a part of stewarding 397 00:19:24,660 --> 00:19:29,379 Speaker 2: relationships with? Are we trusting God to guide our conversations 398 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 2: and our words and not our words? And I mean, 399 00:19:32,260 --> 00:19:35,580 Speaker 2: I'm a parent, so that's of two teens. So that's 400 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,310 Speaker 2: a wrestling match in itself. 401 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:38,590 Speaker 4: Daily. 402 00:19:38,609 --> 00:19:41,869 Speaker 3: Every time they pick up their car keys, right? 403 00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:44,310 Speaker 4: You're like, look, can I trust you with the freeway? 404 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,260 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 405 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: They're not driving yet, but I'm a year away and 406 00:19:50,060 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh Lord. 407 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 408 00:19:51,859 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: Pray it up. Yeah. 409 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 410 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:55,459 Speaker 3: Yeah. Or I know parents whose kids are going off 411 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,659 Speaker 3: to college and they're like, did I give them the 412 00:19:57,700 --> 00:20:00,510 Speaker 3: foundation they need? And also I think it's important too, 413 00:20:00,530 --> 00:20:02,990 Speaker 3: as we're having these conversations, let's go back to my, well, 414 00:20:03,050 --> 00:20:05,570 Speaker 3: even your Florida story. Sometimes I feel like we get 415 00:20:05,670 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: stuck in the snapshot, not recognizing I have had times 416 00:20:11,180 --> 00:20:14,020 Speaker 3: where God was deeply at work. We followed him in 417 00:20:14,060 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: a certain area and it was a three year, four year, 418 00:20:17,619 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 3: sometimes longer, really painful transitional season. But then, like you said, 419 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: when you look back, it's like, OK, God changed this 420 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,010 Speaker 3: about my heart. God did this in my marriage. God 421 00:20:30,050 --> 00:20:32,810 Speaker 3: did this in this relationship. So I think sometimes it's 422 00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:36,629 Speaker 3: hard when we're stuck in that messy middle to trust 423 00:20:36,690 --> 00:20:38,250 Speaker 3: that beauty truly is coming. 424 00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:42,260 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 100%. I mean, that's literally why I wrote 425 00:20:42,380 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: my book, The Promised Presence. 426 00:20:43,980 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: I remember I was crying in the middle of the 427 00:20:46,340 --> 00:20:49,379 Speaker 2: night on the bathroom floor, struggling with some health stuff. 428 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: And I was just so sick. And I remember throwing 429 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: myself a pity party, which is fine. 430 00:20:56,180 --> 00:20:58,420 Speaker 1: And I was like, why isn't anyone coming to help me? 431 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 4: This is horrible. 432 00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: And I remember I heard, and I'm not one to 433 00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: be like, oh, I heard the Lord audibly. But I 434 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: felt in my spirit, the Lord was saying something so 435 00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: clear to me And it was, Jenny, nobody's going to 436 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,070 Speaker 2: save you except me. And it was like the gut 437 00:21:15,109 --> 00:21:17,850 Speaker 2: punch to the heart and the flesh that I needed 438 00:21:17,890 --> 00:21:20,830 Speaker 2: in that moment. And I remember getting up off the 439 00:21:20,869 --> 00:21:25,050 Speaker 2: floor and leaving changed. I didn't do anything other than 440 00:21:25,150 --> 00:21:27,810 Speaker 2: like being a human and being sick. 441 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:30,500 Speaker 1: Yes, I believe God is a miracle working God. I 442 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: left that. 443 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: Room empowered to continue on and healed in a way 444 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,669 Speaker 2: that to get over myself in that moment. And I 445 00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:44,540 Speaker 2: think we want to hold circumstances so tight in control, 446 00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:46,820 Speaker 2: or we want to hold what we think God is 447 00:21:46,859 --> 00:21:50,260 Speaker 2: doing so tight that we miss these beautiful moments of 448 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,659 Speaker 2: him empowering us or him speaking to our heart the 449 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: truth that we need to hear in that moment. So 450 00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: a lot of this faith journey is also slowing down. 451 00:21:58,660 --> 00:21:59,980 Speaker 4: Yeah. 452 00:22:00,550 --> 00:22:03,330 Speaker 2: And simply being like, God, what are you doing? Or like, God, 453 00:22:03,410 --> 00:22:05,530 Speaker 2: give me eyes of faith to see what you're doing. 454 00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:06,570 Speaker 4: Yeah. 455 00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:08,490 Speaker 2: I don't want to be a person that misses it, 456 00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:11,409 Speaker 2: but if I do help me see it later and, 457 00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:14,410 Speaker 2: and I'll thank you for it. We can carry gratitude 458 00:22:14,890 --> 00:22:17,050 Speaker 2: for something the Lord did 20 years ago. 459 00:22:17,109 --> 00:22:18,450 Speaker 1: We can still be like, thanks God. 460 00:22:18,690 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 461 00:22:19,170 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 3: When I, like you said, you didn't do anything except 462 00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: for you did something really important. 463 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 4: You showed up. 464 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,740 Speaker 3: You sought the Lord in your pain. And to me, 465 00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:32,290 Speaker 3: that is kind of the crux. We can get so 466 00:22:32,590 --> 00:22:36,310 Speaker 3: caught up in our struggle, which is totally normal, right? 467 00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:41,129 Speaker 3: But I was thinking the ancient Israel... with the judges 468 00:22:41,170 --> 00:22:43,430 Speaker 3: and like, why did they keep falling into this same 469 00:22:43,470 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: pattern over and over and over? And as I was 470 00:22:46,340 --> 00:22:48,260 Speaker 3: wrestling through that myself and praying through it, because I 471 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: don't want to be like them, right? 472 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 4: I don't want to just keep landing. 473 00:22:51,060 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: Right. 474 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,570 Speaker 3: And what really I felt like God was highlighting through 475 00:22:55,590 --> 00:23:00,050 Speaker 3: that entire book of scripture, they were constantly seeking rescue 476 00:23:00,490 --> 00:23:05,550 Speaker 3: over relationship with the Lord. And so I think it's 477 00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:08,870 Speaker 3: hard when we feel like our life is imploding. Of course, 478 00:23:08,910 --> 00:23:12,670 Speaker 3: we want the solutions. But like you said in your story, 479 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: God was your solution. We're kind of bumping up in 480 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,659 Speaker 3: time and I want to make sure we get two 481 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,900 Speaker 3: important questions answered that I just have a sense that 482 00:23:29,940 --> 00:23:31,239 Speaker 3: listeners are like, hey, I need to. 483 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,090 Speaker 4: Know now this is what I'm dealing with. What do 484 00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:34,530 Speaker 4: you do? 485 00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:36,709 Speaker 3: Like, we want to seek the Lord in everything we do. 486 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: But honestly, if we were to pray and get guidance 487 00:23:39,340 --> 00:23:42,740 Speaker 3: for every single thing in our lives, we would never, 488 00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:44,500 Speaker 3: you would never get that book written if you had 489 00:23:44,540 --> 00:23:45,340 Speaker 3: to pray for every sentence. 490 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,189 Speaker 4: So what do you do when you feel like you 491 00:23:48,210 --> 00:23:50,430 Speaker 4: have to make a decision now? quickly. 492 00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:52,190 Speaker 3: And I'd like you to, Jenny, talk to me from 493 00:23:52,369 --> 00:23:57,210 Speaker 3: two aspects. What are we doing today for that really 494 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,100 Speaker 3: rapid decision we have to make tomorrow so we can 495 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: be more confident in that? And then what do we 496 00:24:02,060 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: do if we're in that place right now and we 497 00:24:05,020 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: have to make a rapid decision where we feel like 498 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,900 Speaker 3: I don't have time to go sit in my prayer 499 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: closet until the Holy Spirit speaks? 500 00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:11,620 Speaker 4: Yeah. 501 00:24:11,980 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: So for the rapid decision-making, you mentioned you compared God 502 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: to a parent helping us equipping us and giving us 503 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: the tools and things like that. So we have to 504 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,660 Speaker 2: trust that God too. He's our father and he's good. 505 00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:27,460 Speaker 2: And sometimes when we're walking out this faith journey, God 506 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,820 Speaker 2: will let us choose. And I think that's a foreign 507 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: idea to us because we want it to be so 508 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,939 Speaker 2: black and white. But if you're analyzing a situation and 509 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: there's two options and you haven't heard a clear direction, 510 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: maybe he's saying, hey, you can decide this one. 511 00:24:45,270 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: Both are good. Both are of me. I can bless both. 512 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: I can guide you down both paths. You choose. 513 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 2: And then just be confident in that choice and do 514 00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:56,060 Speaker 2: whatever you think is the most fun or like whatever, right? 515 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: As long as it's honoring God as you walk that out. 516 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,380 Speaker 2: Another thing I actually wrote, so I wrote this book 517 00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: called Getting to Know God's Voice. And it's like how 518 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,580 Speaker 2: we get to know God's voice and like, how do 519 00:25:05,619 --> 00:25:08,610 Speaker 2: we actually hear him? Because it isn't always butterflies and rainbows. 520 00:25:08,869 --> 00:25:10,379 Speaker 2: And I wrote at the beginning of the book, the 521 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,550 Speaker 2: check yourself before you wreck yourself test. And it's seven things. 522 00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:16,790 Speaker 2: And I think the listeners might find this helpful. It's 523 00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:19,710 Speaker 2: seven questions you can ask before you're making like a 524 00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:24,889 Speaker 2: big decision. And the first one is the best one, 525 00:25:25,090 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: which is does what I'm considering agree with scripture and 526 00:25:27,910 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: God's character? And then the second one is, will this 527 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 2: situation bring me closer to God? And then what do 528 00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: my spiritual leaders and those that I trust that are 529 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: also following Jesus, what do they think about the situation? 530 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: As you're making these decisions, when you have time, because 531 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,179 Speaker 2: I know this is not a rapid fire, like, When 532 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: you have time, you can go through these. And then 533 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 2: the fourth question is, what is this still small voice 534 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,580 Speaker 2: of God saying to me? Because sometimes the Lord will 535 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: remind you of scripture as you're praying or you're on 536 00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:57,940 Speaker 2: a walk and something will come up in your mind 537 00:25:57,980 --> 00:26:00,190 Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, maybe that's the Lord. And then 538 00:26:00,730 --> 00:26:04,469 Speaker 2: the fifth one is, what circumstances are surrounding this situation? 539 00:26:04,890 --> 00:26:07,650 Speaker 2: So this is now looking past yourself and trying to 540 00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:10,409 Speaker 2: get this faith perspective of, okay, well, what do I 541 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:12,469 Speaker 2: see God doing? And the sixth one is, what do 542 00:26:12,490 --> 00:26:15,190 Speaker 2: my trusted followers family members and friends say about this? 543 00:26:15,790 --> 00:26:19,729 Speaker 2: And then lastly, what response will bring me peace? So 544 00:26:19,780 --> 00:26:22,460 Speaker 2: those are kind of like the things I go through 545 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,100 Speaker 2: when I'm checking myself and trying to figure out like, 546 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,060 Speaker 2: how is the Lord ministering to this situation? 547 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: And that's been helpful. 548 00:26:29,410 --> 00:26:31,369 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so we'll link to both of your books 549 00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:34,110 Speaker 3: actually in our show notes, because since we've been doing 550 00:26:34,150 --> 00:26:37,389 Speaker 3: this whole series on hearing the voice of God, that 551 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: sounds like a great resource that listeners can walk through. 552 00:26:40,820 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 3: And I know you personally, so I know you have 553 00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:46,780 Speaker 3: lots of, I'm assuming you have lots of encounters. 554 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,570 Speaker 4: With the Holy Spirit in the book that they can 555 00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:52,290 Speaker 4: connect with the Lord. Let's now talk about, as we close, 556 00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:57,129 Speaker 4: like kind of land our plane, we have... Done everything 557 00:26:57,170 --> 00:27:00,050 Speaker 4: we can. Done the questions. We've checked our heart. We've 558 00:27:00,090 --> 00:27:00,670 Speaker 4: read scripture. 559 00:27:01,130 --> 00:27:05,629 Speaker 3: And we're walking forward, but we've been walking forward in 560 00:27:05,650 --> 00:27:08,230 Speaker 3: a little bit of uncertainty. So talk to us about 561 00:27:08,590 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: remaining pliable. 562 00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:15,740 Speaker 2: So as a Christ follower, anybody that proclaims Christ as 563 00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: our Lord and Savior has the Holy Spirit. And the 564 00:27:18,619 --> 00:27:23,570 Speaker 2: Holy Spirit indwells us, which means he actually is indwelling 565 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,729 Speaker 2: our thoughts, our physical body. 566 00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: Our minds. He can impact. 567 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:35,109 Speaker 2: Our actions, our circumstances, like everything that makes us, if 568 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,450 Speaker 2: we give the Holy Spirit access to you, he wants 569 00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:41,170 Speaker 2: to be a part of it. So I think remembering that, 570 00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:43,650 Speaker 2: which is crazy because you used to have to go 571 00:27:43,710 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: encounter God in the tabernacle in the Old Testament. And 572 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: then Jesus is like, hey, I'm going to send you 573 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: a helper. And this is New Testament. This is how 574 00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 2: the church was strengthened. And he gave us the Holy Spirit, 575 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,980 Speaker 2: the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. So we have access 576 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,169 Speaker 2: to a God who dwells within us and also in 577 00:27:59,230 --> 00:28:01,870 Speaker 2: our midst. And when I was in seminary, one professor 578 00:28:02,170 --> 00:28:08,110 Speaker 2: would always say he dwells differently in different places. So 579 00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:12,139 Speaker 2: if we're constantly being like, okay, God, I give you 580 00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: access to my heart. I give you access to my 581 00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: physical wellness. I give you access to my actions, my thoughts, my, 582 00:28:19,060 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: like everything. We're going to be walking with God and 583 00:28:21,580 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 2: we're doing this faith thing. And that's the best we 584 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,010 Speaker 2: can do. So in the midst of our own uncertainty, 585 00:28:29,410 --> 00:28:32,169 Speaker 2: trying to get it right, but failing, you just go 586 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:32,770 Speaker 2: back to God. 587 00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:35,189 Speaker 1: He's already there. He's close. He's within us. 588 00:28:35,410 --> 00:28:37,810 Speaker 2: And he wants to fellowship with us. And I think 589 00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:41,340 Speaker 2: we forget that our life is an act of worship. So, 590 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:45,780 Speaker 2: when we have to be movable or moldable and. 591 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:48,690 Speaker 1: Adaptable, which can be so horrible. I think God will 592 00:28:48,730 --> 00:28:49,510 Speaker 1: grace us for that. 593 00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:51,650 Speaker 2: And we can ask him, God, Hey, I need, I 594 00:28:51,670 --> 00:28:54,510 Speaker 2: need your grace to fall. 595 00:28:54,370 --> 00:28:56,170 Speaker 1: On this conversation that I have to have. 596 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: I recently was really good friends with somebody and she 597 00:28:59,540 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: decided she didn't want to be friends with me anymore. 598 00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:04,300 Speaker 1: That was like heartbreaking. 599 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:07,450 Speaker 2: Not willing to have a conversation, not willing to like 600 00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:10,170 Speaker 2: sit down and talk things out. And I'd like to talk, like, 601 00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:13,910 Speaker 2: let's feel all the feelings and process everything. And just 602 00:29:14,130 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: let's be honest about it. And she's saying no, which 603 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,220 Speaker 2: is her choice. Just as I get to be like, hey, 604 00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: let's have it. She gets to be like, nope, we're 605 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,060 Speaker 2: not doing it. She needed to set that boundary. And 606 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: I have to respect that because I want to love her. 607 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: And if that's what she's choosing, right? So That circumstance 608 00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:32,980 Speaker 2: didn't go the way I wanted. It's so hard. 609 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:35,300 Speaker 1: I'm still grieving it. And I'm asking the Lord, did 610 00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:37,170 Speaker 1: I do anything wrong? Do I need to repent? 611 00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:41,980 Speaker 2: So it's like, it's uncomfortable. Being a Christian is so uncomfortable. 612 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: It's so, right? Don't you think? But it's beautiful. I 613 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: could cry. 614 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:49,780 Speaker 2: The fact that God invites us on mission with him 615 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,530 Speaker 2: is wild. It should be the joys of our life. 616 00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:56,969 Speaker 2: So wherever he places us, that's where I want to be. 617 00:29:57,270 --> 00:30:00,060 Speaker 2: And I want to trust that He's ministering in and 618 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: through me, even if I don't like what it looks like. 619 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:04,060 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. 620 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think it goes back to when you open 621 00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:10,620 Speaker 3: the conversation, you emphasize the importance of humility. And I 622 00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 3: think recognizing that His will can change over time. He 623 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,020 Speaker 3: might call us to one thing today and then tomorrow 624 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:20,469 Speaker 3: to something else. We can hear him wrong and then 625 00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:22,969 Speaker 3: he'll lovingly nudge us and be like, I used to 626 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:25,430 Speaker 3: lead a parachurch women's ministry and we had, we are 627 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:27,670 Speaker 3: a speaking ministry. And I had one of my speakers, 628 00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:31,530 Speaker 3: she was amazing, just amazing. And shortly before an event, 629 00:30:31,670 --> 00:30:34,610 Speaker 3: the Lord told her very clearly, you need to step away. 630 00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:36,550 Speaker 3: This isn't, I did not give you a go ahead 631 00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: for this ministry. responsibility right here and she had to 632 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: courageously pick up the phone and choose to follow the 633 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,780 Speaker 3: holy spirit even if that meant upsetting me upsetting whatever 634 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:52,500 Speaker 3: was going on so i think and that can be 635 00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:55,370 Speaker 3: hard but you know what i actually respected her so 636 00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:58,630 Speaker 3: much for that because i knew that was really challenging 637 00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:00,570 Speaker 3: i knew her heart i knew she wasn't just being 638 00:31:00,630 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: flippant but I think back to that humility that sometimes 639 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 3: he does ask us to do really hard, uncomfortable things, 640 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,350 Speaker 3: but there's still beauty. His heart is always still to 641 00:31:11,390 --> 00:31:12,330 Speaker 3: lead us towards beauty. 642 00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:14,330 Speaker 1: Yes and amen. 643 00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:17,690 Speaker 2: And I think too, like just you reflecting on that circumstance, 644 00:31:17,770 --> 00:31:19,650 Speaker 2: it's like now that you're on the other side of it, 645 00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:22,750 Speaker 2: I wonder what fruit came from her faithfulness. 646 00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:24,670 Speaker 1: What fruit did you see? 647 00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:26,910 Speaker 2: Because you had to find somebody to fill the spot. 648 00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:29,530 Speaker 2: And I'm sure there was fruit that came even from 649 00:31:29,550 --> 00:31:31,190 Speaker 2: that other speaker that was able to step in. 650 00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and I think for me, too, it really 651 00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 3: reiterated to me, I want to be 100% led by Christ, 652 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 3: even if there's fallout. And I think it helped me, 653 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,210 Speaker 3: which is ironic, and every situation is different, because I'm 654 00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:48,650 Speaker 3: not talking about just flaking off on your responsibilities. That 655 00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:51,150 Speaker 3: is so far from what this woman was doing. Mm-hmm. 656 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,860 Speaker 3: It greatly elevated my trust for her because I knew like, okay, 657 00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,550 Speaker 3: you may not do it perfectly, but I know above 658 00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:02,450 Speaker 3: all else, you are seeking to honor God. And I 659 00:32:02,610 --> 00:32:06,010 Speaker 3: would love to have this conversation forever with you, Jenny, 660 00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: because this is an important conversation, but we're going to 661 00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: have to land the plane. 662 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:10,380 Speaker 4: So I want to. 663 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,090 Speaker 3: Tell a little bit about your book, The Promised Present. 664 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,290 Speaker 3: I'm going to read some of the back cover. Discover 665 00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:21,350 Speaker 3: the transformative supernatural power of the Holy Spirit, even in 666 00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:25,610 Speaker 3: life's brokenness, to find restoration and purpose in a world 667 00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:29,970 Speaker 3: that feels out of control. Today, as in biblical times, 668 00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:32,750 Speaker 3: God holds the power to transform, heal, and deliver people. 669 00:32:32,910 --> 00:32:37,540 Speaker 3: This Bible study through Luke and Acts reminds us that 670 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,820 Speaker 3: God can turn messes into miracles through the supernatural activity 671 00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:44,810 Speaker 3: of the Holy Spirit. In The Promised Presence, Jenny Randall 672 00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:49,210 Speaker 3: shares topical Bible teaching, her own faith journey, and practical 673 00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:51,850 Speaker 3: applications to help us do, I'm going to name a 674 00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:55,410 Speaker 3: few things. You can find more by going to Amazon 675 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:57,990 Speaker 3: to buy her book, which you'll want to do. Understand 676 00:32:58,010 --> 00:33:00,950 Speaker 3: the Spirit's influence on the early church and in our 677 00:33:00,990 --> 00:33:05,590 Speaker 3: lives today. Discover biblical answers to common questions about Holy 678 00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:10,020 Speaker 3: Spirit and his work. Grow in our understanding of spiritual gifts. Learn, 679 00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: I love this one, it's so important. Learn how to 680 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 3: operate in the power of the Spirit to advance God's kingdom. 681 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 3: As we close out, what is one, if you can 682 00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: give one truth or one action step to the person 683 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:29,100 Speaker 3: listening today who is facing a difficult decision that they 684 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 3: don't have full clarity on, what would you say to them? 685 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: So I would share two things. 686 00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:35,180 Speaker 2: I would prayerfully consider what's the last thing the Lord 687 00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:37,860 Speaker 2: asked you to do and did you actually do it? 688 00:33:38,270 --> 00:33:40,910 Speaker 2: And then I guess I would share three things. I'm 689 00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:43,350 Speaker 2: so sorry. The third is if he asked you to 690 00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:46,250 Speaker 2: be patient, be patient and ask for patience. And then 691 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: the other one is a baby step counts as movement. 692 00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:53,460 Speaker 2: I think we think we want these big dramatic sprints 693 00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: and that's. 694 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,790 Speaker 1: Not how the Lord works. Any movements with the Lord 695 00:33:57,850 --> 00:33:58,470 Speaker 1: is good movement. 696 00:33:59,010 --> 00:33:59,550 Speaker 4: I love it. 697 00:33:59,690 --> 00:34:02,489 Speaker 3: I love this conversation. It's a great way to end 698 00:34:02,550 --> 00:34:06,750 Speaker 3: our series. And I appreciate... the emphasis you placed on 699 00:34:06,790 --> 00:34:10,690 Speaker 3: God's majesty, his sovereignty, his fatherly heart. To those who 700 00:34:10,870 --> 00:34:14,100 Speaker 3: are listening, I hope this gave you some encouragement to 701 00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:16,620 Speaker 3: know that God isn't watching over you, waiting for you 702 00:34:16,660 --> 00:34:19,140 Speaker 3: to mess up. He's not wanting to catch you so 703 00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:21,340 Speaker 3: that he can discipline you. He really has your best 704 00:34:21,420 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 3: in mind. And above all else, he wants you to 705 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,110 Speaker 3: pursue him. And when we pursue him, As best as 706 00:34:30,130 --> 00:34:32,489 Speaker 3: we're able, he takes care of everything else. If you 707 00:34:32,590 --> 00:34:35,090 Speaker 3: haven't already done so, I encourage you to subscribe to 708 00:34:35,130 --> 00:34:38,339 Speaker 3: this podcast. Then you won't miss a single episode. Share 709 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,940 Speaker 3: this one with your faith community. Maybe talk it through 710 00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:43,739 Speaker 3: and you can be one another's supports as you work 711 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,219 Speaker 3: through some difficult decisions. And until next time, may you 712 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:50,890 Speaker 3: live as one who truly has been set free.