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Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of

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Speaker 2: The story of the Creation, as you will see today,

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Speaker 2: is a story of successive frustrations on the part of God.

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Speaker 2: Most people don't feel sorry for God, but if you

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Speaker 2: read the first chapters of Genesis, you have to God

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Speaker 2: was all enthused about what he created, and every time

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Speaker 2: human beings seem to have thwarted it. But that's for

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Speaker 2: a little later, when God actually comments on humanity. I

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Speaker 2: ended last week with Cain and Abel. Cain killed his brother.

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Speaker 2: Abel was jealous or Cain was suspected that he was

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Speaker 2: somewhat less sincere in his offering, and so he went out,

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Speaker 2: and because he was angry at what Abel did better

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Speaker 2: than he killed Abel. God then asked where is Abel.

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Speaker 2: Cain answered, am I my brother's keeper? Or better, I

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Speaker 2: didn't know I was my brother's keeper. As I pointed

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Speaker 2: out at the end of last week, there are many

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Speaker 2: ways to read that verse Cain saying, A I didn't

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Speaker 2: know I'm my brother's keeper. I didn't know. I'm my

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Speaker 2: brother's keeper. You're supposed to be my brother's keeper, and

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Speaker 2: many other ways of reading that. But for that, if

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Speaker 2: you weren't here, you can get the tape. So I

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Speaker 2: would like to move on. I am now a chapter four,

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Speaker 2: verse eleven. If you happen to have a Bible. If

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Speaker 2: you don't, I will read it to you. Anyway, we

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Speaker 2: now have have Cain's punishment. The first thing you will

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Speaker 2: note in four eleven. Therefore your you shall be more

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Speaker 2: cursed than the ground which opens its mouth, and so on,

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Speaker 2: and you will have this mark, which I'll talk about

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Speaker 2: in a minute. What is interesting is that God does

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Speaker 2: not kill Cain because it is established in Genesis, and

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Speaker 2: it is one of the only laws in the Book

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Speaker 2: of Genesis that if you murder someone, you should be

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Speaker 2: put to death. It is in the basis of the

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Speaker 2: creation of the world capital punishment. Many of you are

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Speaker 2: probably opposed to capital punishment, and it's not the time

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Speaker 2: for me to get into that discussion, but you would

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Speaker 2: have to confront if you did take the Bible seriously,

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Speaker 2: that God himself is attributed with asking that people who

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Speaker 2: murder be put to death because and God added because

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Speaker 2: human beings are created in God's image. You have actually,

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Speaker 2: by murder, destroyed something that is in God's in my

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Speaker 2: own image. And the only way therefore to balance this,

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Speaker 2: to redress it. It is so heinous to murder that

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Speaker 2: the person who did it has to be put to death.

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Speaker 2: But Cain murdered Abel and he wasn't put to death.

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Speaker 2: How come is God violating his own policy? Well, the

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Speaker 2: answer would have to be that what Abel committed, what

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Speaker 2: Cain committed, was not premeditated murder. Remember, Cain didn't see

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Speaker 2: and he did whatever he did, and we don't know

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Speaker 2: what he did. All it says is he killed his

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Speaker 2: brother Abel. So perhaps, for all we know, he took

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Speaker 2: he know that that would kill him? Maybe it was

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Speaker 2: simply anger. He threw it, threw the stone, and it

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Speaker 2: caused him to die. I think we can infer that

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Speaker 2: the fact that it seems to have been murdered. Also,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't premeditated murder. It was murder out of an

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Speaker 2: normal active murder. And again he did not know of

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Speaker 2: out last week though a very important thing. Why didn't

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Speaker 2: And that, to me is the proof of an extremely

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Speaker 2: important concept. To review this for a moment, that the

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Speaker 2: Hebrew Bible holds the Torah holes that people are born

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Speaker 2: with a conscience. However, what Genesis points to is obviously

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Speaker 2: alone won't make a good world. For those of you

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Speaker 2: who think that you don't need God and don't need law,

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Speaker 2: and don't need revelation to make a good world, Genesis

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Speaker 2: It's just enough to know that something is wrong. I'll

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Speaker 2: give you a a prager house example. During the rioting,

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Speaker 2: you loot? And His answer was no. I said, why not?

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Speaker 2: So of course I immediately added, well, what if you

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Speaker 2: because it's in the Ten Commandments not to steal. A

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Speaker 2: humanist parent would want to hear from the child a

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Speaker 2: also want to hear that the child would say no,

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Speaker 2: but they would want to hear because it's wrong. I

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Speaker 2: people as much as humanists trust people. Trust people. Humanists

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Speaker 2: believe in humans. Deists believe in a deity. I'm a deist.

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Speaker 2: I'm a religious humanist, if you want a technical term.

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Speaker 2: I believe that how we treat each other is the

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Speaker 2: God the one who said that. That's so, you see.

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Speaker 2: I believe that when push comes to shove, and this

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Speaker 2: Noah today, that it is not enough to think something

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Speaker 2: conscience is not enough. That humans need a conscience. Clearly,

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Speaker 2: conscience is critical, but the conscience itself needs to feel

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Speaker 2: a responsibility to something higher than it. You can't just

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Speaker 2: say I think it's wrong. It may work. You may

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Speaker 2: not loot if you think it's wrong. And that's a

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Speaker 2: nice thing. But the Torah is extremely skeptical, skeptical to

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Speaker 2: do something. I am listening to my conscience. Conscience isn't enough.

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Speaker 2: In his conscience, Caine knew that what he did who

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Speaker 2: are in the period pre revelation of laws. There is

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Speaker 2: no divine revelation of moral law. It is all inbred

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Speaker 2: in our conscience. That is why you can hold responsible

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Speaker 2: you can hold morally responsible people who never read the Bible,

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Speaker 2: even they are responsible not to murder, not to torture,

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Speaker 2: and so on. But it doesn't work. It's not enough.

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Speaker 2: That's the critical lesson that I derive from the whole

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Speaker 2: to reveal things? After all? You would say, and you

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Speaker 2: should say, why are these stories in Genesis? Why is

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Speaker 2: it there? And I repeat what I have said each week.

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Speaker 2: Torah is not history. It doesn't mean history. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: to historians and scientists. If you want to learn about

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Speaker 2: the human condition, read the Torah. That is all it

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Speaker 2: attempts to do. That's why Torah means teacher. That's not

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Speaker 2: my reading. That's exactly what it means. For those of

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Speaker 2: the word for a female teacher is morah, the same

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Speaker 2: exact root as torah. It means teacher. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: raising kids, that is exactly the word for a parent.

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Speaker 2: Parent comes from the same verb. It's horah or horah. Parent.

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Speaker 2: what a parent is for. We don't think in those ways.

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Speaker 2: I think we much more think today is that a

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Speaker 2: But as a rule, that is not the way Judaism

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Speaker 2: Okay, Cain is punished in his own way. In a sense,

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Speaker 2: This is what he is worried about. Cain, I'll get killed.

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Speaker 2: you hurt people, God is angry at you. You will

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Speaker 2: not find an example. To the best of my knowledge,

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Speaker 2: in Genesis of God getting angry from mistreating God. This

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Speaker 2: You cannot speak Russian hurrah about God. In other words,

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Speaker 2: bad gossip behind God's back. None of those things. But

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Speaker 2: is what, again is basic. Cain hurts able, God is angry,

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Speaker 2: and Cain is therefore outside of God's presence, and there

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Speaker 2: But I never hear that from anybody. You never hear

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Speaker 2: will be fair enough to say, but the opposite argues

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Speaker 2: there's no time you feel God's presence more than when

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Speaker 2: particularly pious relative that you can recall at all? In

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Speaker 2: Remember the word I used pious. Pious is a religious term.

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Speaker 2: Every single time I used the term, they would cite

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Speaker 2: someone who was good. Whenever I asked for somebody pious,

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, hold on doing me a favor, write it down.

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Speaker 2: kill twenty five in mine. And then it goes on.

424
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:51,380
Speaker 2: That is clan vengeance, and that is what Lamech is

425
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:54,459
Speaker 2: singing about. The first poem in the Bible is a

426
00:28:54,459 --> 00:29:00,540
Speaker 2: poem about a man who is just intoxicated with killing people. Depressing,

427
00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:04,979
Speaker 2: isn't it? Well, it is, but it's also extremely realistic,

428
00:29:04,979 --> 00:29:07,180
Speaker 2: and I give it to a great credit for it.

429
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:12,380
Speaker 2: It's not a Judaism is the most unromantic religion ever created.

430
00:29:13,660 --> 00:29:16,620
Speaker 2: Could that I can say? There are many areas where

431
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:22,219
Speaker 2: religions blend into one another in certain similarities, and I

432
00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:24,180
Speaker 2: am a very big believer that we can speak of

433
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:28,420
Speaker 2: a Judeo Christian morality and so on. But in this regard,

434
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:32,660
Speaker 2: in the in the way it acknowledges humanity, Judaism is,

435
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:36,420
Speaker 2: I believe, uniquely unromantic. This is the way we are.

436
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:39,819
Speaker 2: This is the way we were from the beginning. And

437
00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:43,940
Speaker 2: it's a very long uphill battle to make people decent.

438
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:47,700
Speaker 2: That's the story of Genesis. It's a long uphill battle.

439
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:52,340
Speaker 2: So this lamech sings this song. Now one final point,

440
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:56,300
Speaker 2: you will now understand why eye for an eye, tooth

441
00:29:56,340 --> 00:30:00,380
Speaker 2: for a tooth was one of the greatest achievements in

442
00:30:00,459 --> 00:30:05,340
Speaker 2: the history of legal morality, that which is frequently knocked

443
00:30:05,420 --> 00:30:11,380
Speaker 2: today in our hyper sophisticated society. Oh, that's disgusting, that's revenge.

444
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:15,420
Speaker 2: I for an eye old Testament morality. I subscribe to

445
00:30:15,459 --> 00:30:18,620
Speaker 2: it totally. Because what an eye for an eye did

446
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:23,860
Speaker 2: was say, all, well, of this clan, vengeance is gone.

447
00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:28,059
Speaker 2: If one man murders one man, that man is killed.

448
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:31,100
Speaker 2: If I take out one tooth from you, you take

449
00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:34,219
Speaker 2: out one tooth from me, you don't kill me, you

450
00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:37,700
Speaker 2: don't blind me. You take one tooth. Now, of course

451
00:30:37,739 --> 00:30:41,820
Speaker 2: it was never enacted. It can't be. It's not physically possible.

452
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:44,499
Speaker 2: How can I do the exact amount of damage to

453
00:30:44,540 --> 00:30:47,299
Speaker 2: you that you did to someone else. It's not possible.

454
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:51,140
Speaker 2: It was a principle. However, the principle is that your

455
00:30:51,219 --> 00:30:54,660
Speaker 2: eye is worth my eye. In all the ancient world,

456
00:30:54,739 --> 00:30:57,100
Speaker 2: if you were a nobleman and I knocked out your eye,

457
00:30:57,140 --> 00:31:01,300
Speaker 2: I got killed because a nobleman's eye was worth more

458
00:31:01,340 --> 00:31:04,220
Speaker 2: than my eye. So I got killed because I wasn't

459
00:31:04,219 --> 00:31:08,020
Speaker 2: a nobleman. The Torah came along and said, no, everybody's

460
00:31:08,020 --> 00:31:13,259
Speaker 2: eye is equal. It undoes vengeance, and it substitutes for

461
00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:17,940
Speaker 2: vengeance justice, which is what the Hebrew Bible is intoxicated with.

462
00:31:19,459 --> 00:31:22,259
Speaker 2: Now you see how a lot of things make sense

463
00:31:22,459 --> 00:31:25,620
Speaker 2: that otherwise seem to have been very confusing. What a

464
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:28,380
Speaker 2: z I for an ey. It's it's primitive. It was

465
00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:32,340
Speaker 2: the greatest advance in morality in the world. And I

466
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:35,460
Speaker 2: say that it's not hyperbole. It was the greatest advance

467
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:39,100
Speaker 2: in morality, in legal morality. It's said that we are

468
00:31:39,219 --> 00:31:42,700
Speaker 2: all equal, and that I have to pay exactly what

469
00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:47,460
Speaker 2: I did no more. I don't consider it an advance

470
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:50,860
Speaker 2: of American society that if I do something terrible to you,

471
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:55,459
Speaker 2: I pay less. Today it's considered sophisticated. If you were,

472
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,100
Speaker 2: if your punishment is far less than that which you did,

473
00:31:58,860 --> 00:32:00,780
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you should be punished

474
00:32:00,820 --> 00:32:05,940
Speaker 2: exactly appropriately. That is what the ideal there was. But

475
00:32:05,979 --> 00:32:09,459
Speaker 2: not in Lamech, and not in Clan vengeance. It's a

476
00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:12,260
Speaker 2: verworton little song that he sang to his two wives

477
00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:17,060
Speaker 2: four twenty five. That is the end. Oh, by the way,

478
00:32:17,180 --> 00:32:23,380
Speaker 2: again the torist silences are we end with lome Lomech,

479
00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:30,100
Speaker 2: the vengeance seeker is the last descendant of Cain. In

480
00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:32,820
Speaker 2: other words, it seems to have burned itself out, this

481
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:35,739
Speaker 2: vengeance seeking killer. For all we know, the guy got killed,

482
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,420
Speaker 2: all his children got killed, and that was the end.

483
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:43,780
Speaker 2: But that was the end. We now immediately go two.

484
00:32:43,459 --> 00:32:47,779
Speaker 2: In four to twenty five, Adam back to Adam, and

485
00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:51,620
Speaker 2: it says Adam knew his wife again, God bless him,

486
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:57,620
Speaker 2: and she gave birth to a son, and his name

487
00:32:57,739 --> 00:33:03,020
Speaker 2: was Seth, which really it always cracks me up when

488
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:09,380
Speaker 2: the English makes no sense. And named him Seth because

489
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:14,540
Speaker 2: God provided me with another offspring. Not clear everybody gets

490
00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:18,979
Speaker 2: another offspring names their kid Seth. Obviously you can't do it,

491
00:33:19,020 --> 00:33:22,420
Speaker 2: because the Hebrew does mean it. Hebrew means given his

492
00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:26,140
Speaker 2: real name as it were, were given, so they were

493
00:33:26,219 --> 00:33:30,299
Speaker 2: given another offspring, and Seth means given in Seth is

494
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:36,620
Speaker 2: or shit is given. Is yet another child of Adam.

495
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:41,340
Speaker 2: He has a son, en Oshe, which really means humanity.

496
00:33:41,459 --> 00:33:45,420
Speaker 2: So we have really a name symbolizing humanity with the

497
00:33:45,660 --> 00:33:48,900
Speaker 2: with the with this child, n Oshe, the grants the

498
00:33:48,979 --> 00:33:53,700
Speaker 2: grandson of Adam, and it says, very interesting, as opposed

499
00:33:53,739 --> 00:34:01,060
Speaker 2: to Caine's generations, the other the generations through Seth are different.

500
00:34:02,020 --> 00:34:04,780
Speaker 2: Remember Lomac and his vengeance. Now look at the way

501
00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:09,860
Speaker 2: these generations go at the In four twenty six, it says,

502
00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:13,779
Speaker 2: and to Seth, in turn a son was born, and

503
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,939
Speaker 2: he named him n Oshe. It was then that men

504
00:34:17,020 --> 00:34:21,940
Speaker 2: began to invoke God by name. Now to this too

505
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:27,180
Speaker 2: is important. First of all, it's the opposite of Cain's descendants. Clearly,

506
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:29,779
Speaker 2: the Bible had a belief. The Tora clearly had a

507
00:34:29,819 --> 00:34:32,100
Speaker 2: belief that if you were rotten, there was a good

508
00:34:32,219 --> 00:34:36,660
Speaker 2: chance your kids would be rotten. It just did it seemed,

509
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:41,779
Speaker 2: by the way, it's there's some truth to it. You

510
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:46,580
Speaker 2: just generally don't expect that al Capone's kids will be

511
00:34:46,660 --> 00:34:50,779
Speaker 2: running Saint Mary's orphanage. It's just generally speaking, you know,

512
00:34:50,819 --> 00:34:53,379
Speaker 2: the mar Barker clan and so on. By the way,

513
00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:55,979
Speaker 2: obviously it doesn't mean it has to be that way.

514
00:34:56,259 --> 00:34:59,100
Speaker 2: It's just describing what seemed to have been. If you

515
00:34:59,219 --> 00:35:02,580
Speaker 2: raise a generation with miserable values, it will probably raise

516
00:35:02,620 --> 00:35:07,140
Speaker 2: its generation with miserable values, and vice versa. At any rate,

517
00:35:09,219 --> 00:35:13,180
Speaker 2: we have a generation that begins to invoke God's name.

518
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:17,979
Speaker 2: And what we have here is the Torre's statement that

519
00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:26,979
Speaker 2: monotheism precededism. The Torre's view is that in the very beginnings,

520
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:31,939
Speaker 2: people did believe in one God, and polytheism was the

521
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:36,620
Speaker 2: perversion of that. We, of course, historically think that polytheism

522
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:40,939
Speaker 2: was first and monotheism was the Great Jewish Revolution. But

523
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,939
Speaker 2: the Tora's view is that in the beginning, and it

524
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:47,100
Speaker 2: makes sense, Adam knew God, so obviously didn't believe in

525
00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:51,859
Speaker 2: polytheism in many gods. But that's the idea is at

526
00:35:51,859 --> 00:35:57,660
Speaker 2: the beginning, these children, Anosi's children began to speak in

527
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:04,660
Speaker 2: the name of God. Chapter five. Chapter five is till six'

528
00:36:04,739 --> 00:36:06,939
Speaker 2: eight is a book of. Genealogies i'm not going to

529
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:09,899
Speaker 2: go through all of, it but selected, verses but it

530
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:15,979
Speaker 2: is a very interesting. Thing five to one, says this

531
00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:19,180
Speaker 2: is the record Of adam's. Line When god created, man

532
00:36:19,259 --> 00:36:21,379
Speaker 2: he made him in the likeness Of. God godd male and.

533
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:27,420
Speaker 2: Female he created, them And god blessed them and named

534
00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:31,819
Speaker 2: Them adam on the day that he created. Them, well

535
00:36:32,299 --> 00:36:35,180
Speaker 2: one point which has been recurring, is in case there

536
00:36:35,219 --> 00:36:39,140
Speaker 2: are any skeptics, left you cannot speak of a twenty

537
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:43,299
Speaker 2: four hour day based on the word yome day In.

538
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:47,780
Speaker 2: Genesis and for those who believe that there were twenty

539
00:36:47,779 --> 00:36:51,700
Speaker 2: four hour periods described in the six twenty four hour

540
00:36:51,859 --> 00:36:55,939
Speaker 2: yomes or, yamim it is it is clear. Again it

541
00:36:56,060 --> 00:37:00,500
Speaker 2: says here these are the generations Of adam on the

542
00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:06,780
Speaker 2: Day god, created on the day That god Created adam

543
00:37:07,299 --> 00:37:12,299
Speaker 2: in the in his image he created. Him it speaks of,

544
00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:16,900
Speaker 2: generations so it speaks of a longer period of time

545
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:21,700
Speaker 2: than a. Day the verse itself is, speaking and that's,

546
00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:24,499
Speaker 2: why by the, way the modern translation doesn't even say

547
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:27,180
Speaker 2: on the. Day it says, when which is a more

548
00:37:27,219 --> 00:37:31,140
Speaker 2: appropriate translation than the word. Daya at any, rate it

549
00:37:31,259 --> 00:37:35,660
Speaker 2: merely resumes what we had In genesis. One one other

550
00:37:35,739 --> 00:37:42,660
Speaker 2: thing it speaks. Of it speaks of a very interesting thing.

551
00:37:42,739 --> 00:37:44,500
Speaker 2: Here it, says.

552
00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:54,300
Speaker 3: Let's, see it speaks about all of us emanating.

553
00:37:55,180 --> 00:38:02,580
Speaker 2: From, adam and it, says, yeah it, begins these are the.

554
00:38:02,660 --> 00:38:08,100
Speaker 2: Generations these are the records Of, adams Of adam's. Line

555
00:38:09,219 --> 00:38:11,660
Speaker 2: there is a debate in The, tumult a very touching

556
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:15,060
Speaker 2: debate by two rabbis in the second, century what is

557
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:18,700
Speaker 2: the most important statement or principle in the Whole. Torah

558
00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:23,100
Speaker 2: Rabbi akiva, said love your neighbor as yourself is the

559
00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:27,379
Speaker 2: most important principle in The. Torah another, rabbi and that's

560
00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:31,020
Speaker 2: very well. Known there's even a song about. It but

561
00:38:31,819 --> 00:38:34,339
Speaker 2: there's a rabbi who, SAYS i don't agree With. Akiva

562
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:38,620
Speaker 2: the most important principle in The torah Is genesis five to,

563
00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:42,819
Speaker 2: one Not leviticus nineteen. Eighteen leviticus nineteen eighteen is love

564
00:38:42,819 --> 00:38:47,100
Speaker 2: your neighbor as? Yourself What's genesis five to? One these

565
00:38:47,140 --> 00:38:52,100
Speaker 2: are the records Of adam's, Line these are the generations Of. Adam,

566
00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:55,419
Speaker 2: however you have it translated in your, thing so you'll

567
00:38:55,420 --> 00:39:00,899
Speaker 2: say that's. Bizarre who goes around saying these are the

568
00:39:00,980 --> 00:39:05,660
Speaker 2: generations Of? Adam and that can compete with love your

569
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:09,980
Speaker 2: neighbor as. Yourself But benazi had a, brilliant brilliant, point,

570
00:39:11,060 --> 00:39:13,940
Speaker 2: said first of, all you will never love your neighbor

571
00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:17,379
Speaker 2: as yourself unless you recognize that you both come from

572
00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:21,740
Speaker 2: the same. Parent and, this he, said is the most

573
00:39:21,779 --> 00:39:25,500
Speaker 2: important statement in the Whole, torah something we'd all. Ignore

574
00:39:26,299 --> 00:39:40,420
Speaker 2: but the fact that all of us come from one, person, black, white, yellow, red, male, Female, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist,

575
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:46,299
Speaker 2: atheist all come From. Adam, then AS i, says that

576
00:39:46,420 --> 00:39:50,219
Speaker 2: is the single most important principle in The, torah because

577
00:39:50,219 --> 00:39:54,260
Speaker 2: it proceeds in, importance love your neighbor as. Yourself because

578
00:39:54,299 --> 00:39:57,859
Speaker 2: if you walk around thinking your, race your, religion your,

579
00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:02,259
Speaker 2: group your family is more important than, others because you

580
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:06,620
Speaker 2: have greater. Ancestry you'll never love your neighbor as. Yourself

581
00:40:07,540 --> 00:40:11,899
Speaker 2: you must first understand that every human being is identical

582
00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:15,140
Speaker 2: and worth and you'll only believe that if you believe

583
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:19,099
Speaker 2: you have the same. Ancestor it's the only possible. Way

584
00:40:19,779 --> 00:40:23,540
Speaker 2: and that's why And azai takes debates With akiva on

585
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:26,540
Speaker 2: what the most important principle in the tore is and

586
00:40:26,739 --> 00:40:29,500
Speaker 2: argues that this statement that we all come From adam

587
00:40:29,859 --> 00:40:32,459
Speaker 2: is the most important principle in The. TORAH i find

588
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:35,060
Speaker 2: that very, touching AND i suspect you do as. Well.

589
00:40:36,859 --> 00:40:40,859
Speaker 2: Okay one other thing is the word told ote is,

590
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:45,059
Speaker 2: used which means record or really. Generations if you, look

591
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:47,580
Speaker 2: if you have a toro with, you if you look

592
00:40:47,620 --> 00:40:51,380
Speaker 2: On genesis two, four you will see the exact same

593
00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:56,900
Speaker 2: wording in a very different. Way genesis two four says

594
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,539
Speaker 2: these are the generations of the heaven and the earth

595
00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:06,500
Speaker 2: When god created. Them the exact same word told ote

596
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:10,779
Speaker 2: the generations of is used to describe the creation of

597
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:18,620
Speaker 2: the world and one person's. Life and this too teaches

598
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,460
Speaker 2: one of the most important lessons Of judaism and of The.

599
00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:26,020
Speaker 2: Tura we are, all every one of us is a whole.

600
00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:29,500
Speaker 2: World you can use the same word to describe you

601
00:41:29,779 --> 00:41:33,819
Speaker 2: as to describe the, universe because every single one of

602
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:38,180
Speaker 2: us is an entire, world isn't it. True that's why

603
00:41:38,259 --> 00:41:41,660
Speaker 2: if you anyone who knows, that the moment you know,

604
00:41:41,739 --> 00:41:46,500
Speaker 2: that it becomes almost impossible to hurt people, intentionally the

605
00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:50,060
Speaker 2: moment you recognize that every other person is a whole

606
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:53,539
Speaker 2: world just like you, are it becomes first certainly becomes

607
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:57,180
Speaker 2: impossible to, murder but it even becomes very difficult to hurt.

608
00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:01,419
Speaker 2: People then if you just really really reflect on the

609
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:05,019
Speaker 2: fact that everybody is a whole world and you are,

610
00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:07,859
Speaker 2: too and that is the truth we. Are every one

611
00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:10,740
Speaker 2: of us is a whole, world a unique universe unto

612
00:42:10,779 --> 00:42:13,620
Speaker 2: ourselves and ought to, be and that's the way we

613
00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:16,700
Speaker 2: should look at our. Lives and so the same word

614
00:42:16,779 --> 00:42:20,180
Speaker 2: is used to describe the history Of adam has the

615
00:42:20,219 --> 00:42:22,899
Speaker 2: history of the creation of the. World it's not my,

616
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:25,660
Speaker 2: point by the, way don't give me. Credit this is

617
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,899
Speaker 2: a traditional Basic jewish point on the reading of that

618
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:35,259
Speaker 2: sentence five to two male and Female god created. Them

619
00:42:35,299 --> 00:42:38,500
Speaker 2: it's a restatement in case you were wondering after the

620
00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:42,420
Speaker 2: punishments Of adam And, eve in Particularly eve The torah

621
00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:47,260
Speaker 2: restates men and women are. EQUAL i created the human

622
00:42:47,299 --> 00:42:51,020
Speaker 2: being in two, groups male and. Female just want to

623
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:54,140
Speaker 2: remind YOU i already said that in chapter. ONE i

624
00:42:54,259 --> 00:42:56,100
Speaker 2: just want to make the point again here in chapter

625
00:42:56,140 --> 00:43:02,539
Speaker 2: five as we continue And god Names. Man, now it's

626
00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:06,620
Speaker 2: Interesting seth his child that says was born in the

627
00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:10,259
Speaker 2: image and likeness Of. Adam, now if you look at

628
00:43:10,259 --> 00:43:15,660
Speaker 2: one twenty Six genesis one twenty, six the exact same

629
00:43:15,739 --> 00:43:19,820
Speaker 2: words almost are used to describe that we were created

630
00:43:19,859 --> 00:43:22,339
Speaker 2: in the image of life likeness Of. God so that

631
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:24,700
Speaker 2: presents a very real, problem at least to A. Jew

632
00:43:25,299 --> 00:43:30,980
Speaker 2: Is god? Physical if the same word selim and demut

633
00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:37,899
Speaker 2: likeness and image are used to Describe seth In adam's

634
00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:41,779
Speaker 2: likeness and image as we In god's likeness and, image

635
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:48,259
Speaker 2: well maybe Either god is. Physical, mormons in fact use

636
00:43:48,339 --> 00:43:50,620
Speaker 2: this as one of their texts to prove a Physical.

637
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:56,780
Speaker 2: God this is A mormon proof, text or the writer

638
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:04,540
Speaker 2: implied it or believed, it or we don't know what

639
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:09,739
Speaker 2: to make of. It WHAT i, saw, however was that

640
00:44:09,779 --> 00:44:13,700
Speaker 2: there was a slight difference in the, wording AND i

641
00:44:13,819 --> 00:44:18,379
Speaker 2: think it was. Deliberate we are In god's image but

642
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:21,980
Speaker 2: not exactly As seth is in in his father's. Image

643
00:44:22,180 --> 00:44:25,300
Speaker 2: how DO i? Know it'll help if you Know, hebrew

644
00:44:25,339 --> 00:44:30,980
Speaker 2: but even if you, don't it'll be. Clear In genesis

645
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:33,620
Speaker 2: one twenty, six when it says let us make man

646
00:44:33,739 --> 00:44:37,860
Speaker 2: in our, image that man is created in the image

647
00:44:37,859 --> 00:44:41,339
Speaker 2: and likeness Of, god it says bid selem and kid.

648
00:44:41,380 --> 00:44:47,299
Speaker 2: Demut bim means in kim means as In. Hebrew you

649
00:44:47,339 --> 00:44:51,339
Speaker 2: attach it to any word right in the likeness and so,

650
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:56,020
Speaker 2: on and as the, image they're. Reversed in the case

651
00:44:56,060 --> 00:45:00,339
Speaker 2: Of seth And, adam it's kid sellem and. Bidemut if

652
00:45:00,339 --> 00:45:03,300
Speaker 2: you don't Know, hebrew it doesn't matter What i'm. Saying

653
00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:09,419
Speaker 2: is it reversed the the? Uh what does it? Not?

654
00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:14,259
Speaker 2: Prepositions it reversed the prepositions before the. Terms it had

655
00:45:14,299 --> 00:45:17,259
Speaker 2: to have been. Deliberate in other, words don't confuse this

656
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:20,180
Speaker 2: likeness in image with the likeness and image Of. God

657
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:24,060
Speaker 2: there are, similarities but they are different Because god is not.

658
00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:28,819
Speaker 2: Physical that is HOW i would read. It the generations are,

659
00:45:28,859 --> 00:45:31,739
Speaker 2: mentioned and everybody lives a very long time in those

660
00:45:31,819 --> 00:45:35,660
Speaker 2: days five hundred, years six hundred, years seven hundred. Years

661
00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:39,260
Speaker 2: in other, words you were middle aged at four hundred

662
00:45:39,339 --> 00:45:42,220
Speaker 2: and twenty. Three that's about when you got to be middle.

663
00:45:42,259 --> 00:45:46,100
Speaker 2: Aged you would very frequently have a kid when you

664
00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:48,739
Speaker 2: were one hundred and, forty so you could really wait

665
00:45:48,779 --> 00:45:50,500
Speaker 2: to get. Married it was a really good. Thing you

666
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:53,219
Speaker 2: could do a lot of dating in those. DAYS i

667
00:45:53,259 --> 00:45:55,259
Speaker 2: Think i'll date for the next ninety four years and

668
00:45:55,299 --> 00:45:58,100
Speaker 2: see WHO i really. Want it was a very different

669
00:45:58,140 --> 00:46:02,020
Speaker 2: way to legal. Life if you ask, me what DO

670
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,259
Speaker 2: i make of all of those years? LIVED i don't

671
00:46:04,299 --> 00:46:06,540
Speaker 2: have a, clue all, RIGHT i just don't know what

672
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:08,620
Speaker 2: to tell. You is it, literal is it? Figurative is

673
00:46:08,660 --> 00:46:11,419
Speaker 2: it simply weill was. BELIEVED i don't. KNOW i could

674
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:14,460
Speaker 2: tell you. THIS i wouldn't want to live eight hundred

675
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:17,219
Speaker 2: and fifty three. YEARS i like the way it. Is it's,

676
00:46:17,299 --> 00:46:20,539
Speaker 2: good nice round. Numbers you, know we have average age

677
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:23,580
Speaker 2: of eighty whatever it, is ninety when i'll be, older or one.

678
00:46:23,620 --> 00:46:27,259
Speaker 2: Hundred it's quite. Enough eight hundred and sixty two is

679
00:46:27,259 --> 00:46:30,380
Speaker 2: not my. Dream you can get a lot of reading done,

680
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:32,219
Speaker 2: That i'll. ADMIT i mean you, can, really you, know

681
00:46:32,259 --> 00:46:34,219
Speaker 2: then you could really take your. Time you, know there's no.

682
00:46:34,299 --> 00:46:35,739
Speaker 2: Rush what are you waiting? For you could do it

683
00:46:35,779 --> 00:46:38,100
Speaker 2: the next. Century that's what you would. SAY i, mean

684
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:41,060
Speaker 2: think about, it all the possibilities that, Eh i'll do

685
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,819
Speaker 2: it in twenty one oh. Six, okay no. Problem so

686
00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:47,140
Speaker 2: it's a very different way of life they. Had maybe

687
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:49,419
Speaker 2: they just had very you, know there wasn't much to

688
00:46:49,460 --> 00:46:51,339
Speaker 2: worry about in those. DAYS i don't, know you, know

689
00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:54,580
Speaker 2: it is very. Different there was no, congestion no, Traffic

690
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:58,339
Speaker 2: there were no papers to tell you bad. News there

691
00:46:58,339 --> 00:47:00,660
Speaker 2: was you, know there were probably no diseases because there

692
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:04,060
Speaker 2: was nobody that contracted disease from and so who, knows

693
00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:06,980
Speaker 2: BUT i don't know if it was, interesting it was

694
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:10,700
Speaker 2: certainly probably, slower and they probably ate a lot of

695
00:47:10,779 --> 00:47:15,499
Speaker 2: yogurt according to one then in old commercial that they.

696
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,979
Speaker 2: Had be that as it. May that's all that's. There

697
00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:20,779
Speaker 2: So i'm not going to go over that much uch.

698
00:47:20,819 --> 00:47:26,460
Speaker 2: More go to chapter. Six, uh chapter, Six, okay we

699
00:47:26,540 --> 00:47:30,540
Speaker 2: have the generations coming From. Adam the world is getting

700
00:47:30,580 --> 00:47:35,380
Speaker 2: a little more. Populated and guess what when men began

701
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:39,580
Speaker 2: to increase on? Earth oh excuse. Me six' to one

702
00:47:39,739 --> 00:47:41,459
Speaker 2: is not going to tell you exactly. What Happened six

703
00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:44,900
Speaker 2: 's one to six y four is probably the greatest

704
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:47,660
Speaker 2: mystery In. The torah if any of you can figure

705
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:50,419
Speaker 2: out how to, EXPLAIN it i would be. Deeply appreciative

706
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:52,739
Speaker 2: i'll tell you what. It says when men began to

707
00:47:52,779 --> 00:47:55,580
Speaker 2: increase on earth and daughters were born, to them the

708
00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:58,540
Speaker 2: divine beings saw how beautiful the daughters of, men were

709
00:47:58,580 --> 00:48:01,379
Speaker 2: and took wives from among those that. Pleased Them the,

710
00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:03,980
Speaker 2: lord said my breath shall not abide in, man forever

711
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:06,860
Speaker 2: since he too, his flesh and. So on and then

712
00:48:07,219 --> 00:48:09,939
Speaker 2: later too than the philm appeared, on earth and the

713
00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:12,779
Speaker 2: divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men who bore.

714
00:48:12,819 --> 00:48:15,259
Speaker 2: Them offspring they were the heroes of all the men.

715
00:48:15,259 --> 00:48:18,459
Speaker 2: Of renowned. That's it there's nothing more said. ABOUT it

716
00:48:20,660 --> 00:48:23,299
Speaker 2: i have read every Commentary ON genesis i could get my,

717
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:27,299
Speaker 2: hands on, and basically people don't know what to make.

718
00:48:27,339 --> 00:48:29,540
Speaker 2: Of it to be very honest, with you traditional. Or

719
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:33,780
Speaker 2: modern the general consensus of the, scholarly community as opposed

720
00:48:33,779 --> 00:48:38,219
Speaker 2: to the, religious community is that this was a throwback

721
00:48:38,299 --> 00:48:42,620
Speaker 2: to ancient thinking that meant a lot When the jews

722
00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:46,379
Speaker 2: knew what. This, meant remember this book is thousands of.

723
00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:49,340
Speaker 2: Years old these stories are thousands of. Years old people

724
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:54,180
Speaker 2: understood things then that we don't understand, now obviously so it.

725
00:48:54,299 --> 00:48:58,379
Speaker 2: Meant something but clearly there was. A, belief remember in the,

726
00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:00,739
Speaker 2: ancient world and those of you who have taken the

727
00:49:00,739 --> 00:49:05,620
Speaker 2: course with me from number one know that this is a.

728
00:49:05,660 --> 00:49:09,940
Speaker 2: Recurring theme in the, ancient world the belief in, semi

729
00:49:10,339 --> 00:49:14,180
Speaker 2: godly semi divine human beings was. Very Deep the pharaoh

730
00:49:14,299 --> 00:49:17,540
Speaker 2: Was half god. Half man as. An example this is

731
00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:20,140
Speaker 2: probably a way to get rid. Of it there were,

732
00:49:20,299 --> 00:49:22,499
Speaker 2: you know they were, these beings but don't take Them.

733
00:49:22,540 --> 00:49:26,059
Speaker 2: Seriously jews we just want to mention them because that's

734
00:49:26,060 --> 00:49:28,419
Speaker 2: what people. Believed in but we don't believe in. That

735
00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:30,940
Speaker 2: stuff and anybody who thought that they were A demi

736
00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:33,700
Speaker 2: god got in Trouble and god. Stopped it that is

737
00:49:33,739 --> 00:49:36,460
Speaker 2: THE way i, read it a way Of the, torah

738
00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:40,020
Speaker 2: saying don't believe in, That. Stuff jews other people believe In,

739
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,900
Speaker 2: half god, half people because that's what it. Really says

740
00:49:43,259 --> 00:49:48,299
Speaker 2: that the Children of god took human wives and cohabited.

741
00:49:48,339 --> 00:49:53,100
Speaker 2: With them so but they came, to naught meaning people

742
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:55,459
Speaker 2: who think that they're half gods are going to come.

743
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:58,620
Speaker 2: To naught there are only People, and god but there aren't.

744
00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:03,739
Speaker 2: Half Gods that's praeger's reading of these. Difficult verses i'm

745
00:50:03,779 --> 00:50:07,100
Speaker 2: certainly open to. Alternative, ONES okay i just wanted to

746
00:50:07,140 --> 00:50:08,980
Speaker 2: go over IT because i don't want to. SKIP anything

747
00:50:09,020 --> 00:50:10,499
Speaker 2: i want you to know we'll deal with the hard.

748
00:50:10,540 --> 00:50:14,940
Speaker 2: Parts too and so we then go to.

749
00:50:15,299 --> 00:50:22,180
Speaker 3: Six,' five okay people.

750
00:50:22,259 --> 00:50:25,140
Speaker 2: Are on earth people have. Populated the earth THIS is

751
00:50:25,140 --> 00:50:28,140
Speaker 2: what i was. Driving to earlier and. Then What happens

752
00:50:29,339 --> 00:50:32,459
Speaker 2: the lord saw how great was man's, wickedness on earth

753
00:50:33,299 --> 00:50:37,220
Speaker 2: and how every plan devised by man's mind was nothing

754
00:50:37,259 --> 00:50:41,779
Speaker 2: but evil. All the Time and the lord regretted that

755
00:50:41,819 --> 00:50:44,460
Speaker 2: he had made, men on earth and his. Heart, WAS

756
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:49,299
Speaker 2: saddened this i, must tell you these are two of

757
00:50:49,339 --> 00:50:53,020
Speaker 2: my favorite Sentences. In the torah one of the REASONS

758
00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:55,540
Speaker 2: is And i Thank gun through plout. For this Insight,

759
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:58,140
Speaker 2: GUN through plout i believe it was. Got up once

760
00:50:58,779 --> 00:51:02,259
Speaker 2: he is the writer, of The Commentary the reform movements Commentary.

761
00:51:02,259 --> 00:51:04,420
Speaker 2: OF the torah i heard him lecture once that he

762
00:51:04,460 --> 00:51:06,299
Speaker 2: got up in front of the, audience and said, ladies

763
00:51:06,339 --> 00:51:09,380
Speaker 2: and gentlemen who's the most tragic Figure? In the bible

764
00:51:10,259 --> 00:51:13,219
Speaker 2: and People. Threw out aria moses Didn't get Into, israel

765
00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:18,700
Speaker 2: and david and for all of the tragedy that happened

766
00:51:18,739 --> 00:51:23,580
Speaker 2: to him And. People throughout joe if everybody threw out, something, he, said. Wrong,

767
00:51:23,739 --> 00:51:28,899
Speaker 2: Wrong wrong god god is the most tragic Figure Of.

768
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:31,180
Speaker 2: The HEBREW bible and i have to tell you what

769
00:51:31,259 --> 00:51:33,379
Speaker 2: has always. Stayed with me and he, was absolutely right

770
00:51:35,219 --> 00:51:39,100
Speaker 2: constantly saddened by what. He had done you read chapter

771
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:41,340
Speaker 2: one and those of you went. Over, With me remember

772
00:51:41,380 --> 00:51:43,939
Speaker 2: god was so pleased with. What He did and god saw.

773
00:51:43,940 --> 00:51:45,660
Speaker 2: What he did It, was good god so, what he did, it.

774
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:50,899
Speaker 2: Was good good after, created human, beings very good and he,

775
00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:53,339
Speaker 2: was so happy and he rested on. The seventh day

776
00:51:53,540 --> 00:51:55,899
Speaker 2: he gave a beautiful place for them. To live in

777
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,140
Speaker 2: and as soon as we, had a chance. We screwed

778
00:51:59,219 --> 00:52:02,180
Speaker 2: up the second we, had A chance as, i pointed

779
00:52:02,180 --> 00:52:05,899
Speaker 2: out it's amazing they had one law to keep one

780
00:52:06,259 --> 00:52:09,460
Speaker 2: they Were Living. In Shangri la all, god said was

781
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:11,779
Speaker 2: don't eat. From one tree i'll give you all the,

782
00:52:11,779 --> 00:52:15,299
Speaker 2: food you, Want no. Pain everything's wonderful you'll, love each

783
00:52:15,339 --> 00:52:18,459
Speaker 2: other the animals. Will love. You everybody's nice just don't eat.

784
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:23,299
Speaker 2: From that tree they eat. From that tree so there

785
00:52:23,380 --> 00:52:26,299
Speaker 2: is a deep Sense of, like god saidness then he.

786
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:29,500
Speaker 2: Creates human beings he tries again with. The human Beings

787
00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:33,900
Speaker 2: so so cain's. Progeny fade out Do you think adam's

788
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:37,580
Speaker 2: progeny will? Do all right, and sure Enough what does?

789
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:41,620
Speaker 3: God find out and the lord's lord saw six' five

790
00:52:41,819 --> 00:52:45,620
Speaker 3: have great? Man's wickedness on earth and it is really

791
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:50,299
Speaker 3: EXTRAORDINARY the words then i, number Six verse six and

792
00:52:50,420 --> 00:52:53,220
Speaker 3: god regretted that he made.

793
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:57,620
Speaker 2: That he made People and then the hebrew is just,

794
00:52:57,819 --> 00:53:03,780
Speaker 2: so powerful vaitsev alibo which literally means and he got

795
00:53:03,940 --> 00:53:09,980
Speaker 2: sad to. Himself in his heart isn't it A? Sad

796
00:53:10,060 --> 00:53:13,980
Speaker 2: picture of. God it really is it's. A VERY moving

797
00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:17,299
Speaker 2: picture And i think it's, sarna WHO points out which

798
00:53:17,299 --> 00:53:20,140
Speaker 2: i think is uh is very powerful. WHO points it

799
00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:23,419
Speaker 2: out i was like. To, Give, them credit yeah. Sarna

800
00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:27,499
Speaker 2: he points Out it doesn't. Say god got angry it's

801
00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:32,540
Speaker 2: just said he got sad and then decided. To destroy

802
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:35,499
Speaker 2: the world but, not out of. Anger not At all

803
00:53:35,739 --> 00:53:38,460
Speaker 2: that's That tsarna's point that god did, it out of.

804
00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:41,459
Speaker 2: Sadness out of regret It does say and. God got

805
00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:43,979
Speaker 2: very Angry it speaks of god getting angry at Other,

806
00:53:44,060 --> 00:53:46,700
Speaker 2: times in the. Bible but not here. He just got

807
00:53:46,739 --> 00:53:49,419
Speaker 2: sad it's So it's as, IF god was. SAYING i

808
00:53:49,420 --> 00:53:52,379
Speaker 2: don't understand i give. You his gorgeous world why do?

809
00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:54,419
Speaker 2: You mess it up why do? YOU hurt each. Other

810
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:59,259
Speaker 2: i don't understand that's Really the picture of. God YOU

811
00:53:59,339 --> 00:54:02,339
Speaker 2: have here AND i must say I totally relate. To

812
00:54:02,380 --> 00:54:04,859
Speaker 2: god on this we were. Given a beautiful world why do?

813
00:54:04,940 --> 00:54:08,700
Speaker 2: People mess it up. It's a great question, and by

814
00:54:08,739 --> 00:54:11,460
Speaker 2: the way what does? Mess? It up mean again it

815
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:14,020
Speaker 2: has nothing to do With. How they treated god there's No.

816
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:17,660
Speaker 2: Implication of mistreating god it's that. People hurt each other

817
00:54:17,779 --> 00:54:20,899
Speaker 2: they did. Bed to Each. Other that's. What god god

818
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:25,019
Speaker 2: said it's almost as if. He didn't anticipate, it by

819
00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:26,939
Speaker 2: the way there are people who Ask that? How could god?

820
00:54:27,020 --> 00:54:30,779
Speaker 2: Regret Didn't he? Know Isn't god omniscient doesn't god know? What?

821
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:34,700
Speaker 2: People will do well there are two. POSSIBLE. Answers to that.

822
00:54:34,859 --> 00:54:38,180
Speaker 2: A God isn't omniscient, b god is omniscient and we're

823
00:54:38,259 --> 00:54:42,180
Speaker 2: just Speaking to. Teach about god's Reaction but of course god.

824
00:54:42,219 --> 00:54:44,620
Speaker 2: Knew what would, happen by the Way this thing about,

825
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:49,419
Speaker 2: god knowing the future it is a Traditional monotheistic belief that.

826
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:52,379
Speaker 2: God KNOWS the future but i WILL tell you that

827
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:55,540
Speaker 2: i believe that a traditional monotheist can live With the

828
00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:58,580
Speaker 2: view that god does not. Know The human future that,

829
00:54:58,660 --> 00:55:03,379
Speaker 2: god knows, animal future, star's future planet's future but, not

830
00:55:03,460 --> 00:55:07,739
Speaker 2: necessarily human future because unlike, the stars and animals we,

831
00:55:07,819 --> 00:55:11,579
Speaker 2: do what We want. Not what god wants everything Else

832
00:55:11,660 --> 00:55:15,540
Speaker 2: is programmed, By god accept US so there is i believe.

833
00:55:15,580 --> 00:55:18,020
Speaker 2: THERE is a leeway i admit that, this Is somewhat

834
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:24,100
Speaker 2: traditional and. I'm not advocating, it, i'm merely saying though

835
00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:28,020
Speaker 2: that you. Can live with it Maybe the implication is

836
00:55:28,060 --> 00:55:32,419
Speaker 2: god didn't know. EXACTLY what would happen I don't know.

837
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:36,180
Speaker 2: IF i accept that i think. It's a possible reading, the,

838
00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:38,660
Speaker 2: clear Reading is though that god reacts. To What we

839
00:55:38,739 --> 00:55:42,779
Speaker 2: Do and god? CAN god Get said i think. God

840
00:55:42,819 --> 00:55:45,540
Speaker 2: can get said otherwise you'd have to say, we Can

841
00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:48,419
Speaker 2: get said but. God Can't get said can god create

842
00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:50,540
Speaker 2: a creature that Can do things? That? God? CAN'T do

843
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:55,580
Speaker 2: Interesting right i think. God can, GET sad in fact

844
00:55:55,580 --> 00:56:01,100
Speaker 2: i think he's said, most of the time this Is

845
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:04,100
Speaker 2: an extraordinary place, he made for us and. We, HURT

846
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:09,060
Speaker 2: each other now, i, will SAY this though that i

847
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:12,819
Speaker 2: Do believe that the torah engages in a, drop of

848
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:18,420
Speaker 2: hyperbole here even with my very non romantic, view of

849
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:23,460
Speaker 2: human nature think that the words chosen here are a

850
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:25,940
Speaker 2: little too much because it says.

851
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:31,500
Speaker 3: The yates, much your votely bored rock rock, col iomall

852
00:56:31,540 --> 00:56:35,740
Speaker 3: translate literally and the all of the desire or will

853
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:40,420
Speaker 3: of the of the thoughts of man's heart are. ONLY

854
00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:47,979
Speaker 3: bad all day.

855
00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:48,140
Speaker 2: I think it's. A drop, too much i mean you

856
00:56:48,219 --> 00:56:50,700
Speaker 2: got a grant that most people have a good, thought once.

857
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:53,500
Speaker 2: A day all right i wish you would have said

858
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:57,860
Speaker 2: most of the. Time or mostly bad but it gives

859
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:02,580
Speaker 2: two hyperbolic statements. Rock ra only bad does it Have

860
00:57:02,660 --> 00:57:08,260
Speaker 2: it in your english That it? Says? Only, i'm curious uh? Yeah? Nothing?

861
00:57:08,259 --> 00:57:11,459
Speaker 2: But EVIL right nothing but i mean most people. HAVE

862
00:57:11,739 --> 00:57:14,100
Speaker 2: even bad people I suspect on occasion i, have a

863
00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:19,780
Speaker 2: good thought they'll treat. Their dog, nicely something, but, anyway it.

864
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:23,180
Speaker 2: Was uh it was this is the, way IT was

865
00:57:23,220 --> 00:57:25,540
Speaker 2: written and i find. It very very, powerful by the

866
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:28,420
Speaker 2: way this is where you, get the word yatsh, which

867
00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:33,780
Speaker 2: is very Deeply deeply. Evolved in jewish thought that we

868
00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:38,060
Speaker 2: have a yatsh which is really THE. Forerunner of the

869
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:42,780
Speaker 2: id it is. A subject unto itself but let me,

870
00:57:42,860 --> 00:57:48,340
Speaker 2: just say very quickly whoever would have developed psychoanalysis had To.

871
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:51,419
Speaker 2: Have been a jew it is not At all coincidental

872
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:56,900
Speaker 2: that freud And every founder except Youn. Of psychoanalysis were

873
00:57:56,980 --> 00:58:00,820
Speaker 2: jews and it had to. Be for many reasons one

874
00:58:00,860 --> 00:58:04,020
Speaker 2: Of them is that judaism always made peace with the

875
00:58:04,060 --> 00:58:08,060
Speaker 2: miserable parts. Of the human psyche it doesn't make. Peace

876
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:12,620
Speaker 2: with miserable actions but it does acknowledge that you. Have

877
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:16,860
Speaker 2: a bad, part it acknowledges it and it doesn't demand

878
00:58:16,940 --> 00:58:20,060
Speaker 2: that you feel. Guilty over bad thoughts it's one of My.

879
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:23,660
Speaker 2: Favorite Parts of judaism now here you Have, that word

880
00:58:23,740 --> 00:58:27,500
Speaker 2: yate sarah and if you, substitute id for will it.

881
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:30,580
Speaker 2: Would work out, fine one other thing it says the.

882
00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:34,820
Speaker 2: Thoughts of His Heart, but in biblical hebrew the heart

883
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:39,099
Speaker 2: is not. The seat of emotions this is not well.

884
00:58:39,140 --> 00:58:42,980
Speaker 2: Known to lay people, scholars all know this but. It

885
00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:46,780
Speaker 2: is very important the heart is the seat of Emotions To,

886
00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:51,100
Speaker 2: us in biblical hebrew it is. The seat of thought.

887
00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:55,140
Speaker 2: It is the mind you know what the seat Of

888
00:58:55,140 --> 00:59:02,540
Speaker 2: emotions an ancient hebrew is. Anybody know The kidneys, It's.

889
00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:06,020
Speaker 2: Why i'm young kipper there is a statement that in

890
00:59:06,020 --> 00:59:10,579
Speaker 2: one of the liturgical Poems, bauhen Cleiote biom din that

891
00:59:10,620 --> 00:59:16,100
Speaker 2: god judges, or examines Better examines not just god examines

892
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:19,939
Speaker 2: your kidneys on. The day of Judgment and it's not.

893
00:59:20,860 --> 00:59:24,900
Speaker 2: He's not a urologist it's. That's not the implication It

894
00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:28,660
Speaker 2: is that that god examines your emotions on. The day

895
00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:35,740
Speaker 2: of judgment so really the translation Here is that and

896
00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:41,500
Speaker 2: god saw that people think. Bad things all day. That's

897
00:59:41,580 --> 00:59:44,100
Speaker 2: what it is, it's about the thought. Not about the

898
00:59:44,180 --> 00:59:47,740
Speaker 2: heart just wanted to in case you saw, the word heart.

899
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:51,980
Speaker 2: There make That clear so poor god gets quite upset

900
00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:58,019
Speaker 2: over what he. SEES humanity has developed i just Want

901
00:59:58,060 --> 01:00:02,380
Speaker 2: to emphasize again god's hurt is over how, we treat

902
01:00:02,580 --> 01:00:06,220
Speaker 2: each other Not. How we treat god that's, what Ethical

903
01:00:06,220 --> 01:00:10,220
Speaker 2: monotheism is where god's greatest concern is how we. Treat

904
01:00:10,220 --> 01:00:14,100
Speaker 2: other human beings it is so powerful it. CAN make

905
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:17,780
Speaker 2: you cry i Mean the description of god's sadness over

906
01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:19,300
Speaker 2: the way. People treat each Other.

907
01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:23,340
Speaker 1: This episode of timeless wisdom will. Continue right after this

908
01:00:28,820 --> 01:00:35,620
Speaker 1: now Back To more of dennis prager's. Timeless wisdom.

909
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:40,580
Speaker 2: Six' seven, God decides as a result, i'll Read it,

910
01:00:40,580 --> 01:00:42,539
Speaker 2: TO you the lord said i will blot out from

911
01:00:42,580 --> 01:00:46,220
Speaker 2: THE earth, the, men whom i, created men, together with

912
01:00:46,340 --> 01:00:49,780
Speaker 2: beasts creeping things, and BIRDS of the SKY for i.

913
01:00:49,820 --> 01:00:54,100
Speaker 2: Regret that i made them, the most obvious, question is

914
01:00:54,140 --> 01:00:57,980
Speaker 2: If man sins why? Did god KILL the ANIMALS the

915
01:00:58,060 --> 01:01:02,220
Speaker 2: answer I think I spoke of i think i alluded to.

916
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:06,500
Speaker 2: In Part in chapter one the jewish view is that the.

917
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:10,260
Speaker 2: World is. Created for people no people. The world has

918
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:14,260
Speaker 2: no purpose there is no purpose to see ours life.

919
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:18,260
Speaker 2: Except that we enjoy them i'm sorry this runs against

920
01:01:18,260 --> 01:01:22,900
Speaker 2: the life animal, rights think of our time that we,

921
01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:26,380
Speaker 2: are a bane on nature or just another member of

922
01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:30,180
Speaker 2: nature with, equal rights to the planet along with sea

923
01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:35,620
Speaker 2: otters and purposes. AND dolphins and so on i. Deeply

924
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,940
Speaker 2: believe in taking care we. ARE custodians of the earth

925
01:01:38,980 --> 01:01:42,540
Speaker 2: i deeply believe in taking care of this planet so

926
01:01:42,540 --> 01:01:45,019
Speaker 2: that we can enjoy it and so that. Our grandchildren

927
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:48,140
Speaker 2: can enjoy it but the purpose of life on this

928
01:01:48,180 --> 01:01:51,260
Speaker 2: planet is for, the human being to enjoy for. The

929
01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:56,780
Speaker 2: human being to. Appreciate seotters don't build anything there is.

930
01:01:56,820 --> 01:02:01,419
Speaker 2: No seatter or dog civilization, the dogs in our, home

931
01:02:01,460 --> 01:02:06,060
Speaker 2: whom we love deeply are identical in their nature to the.

932
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:10,220
Speaker 2: Dogs fifty thousand years. Ago they didn't build anything they

933
01:02:10,220 --> 01:02:13,060
Speaker 2: don't pass. Anything to the next generation there is no.

934
01:02:13,220 --> 01:02:19,100
Speaker 2: Dog wisdom or dog culture we are to build something

935
01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:21,380
Speaker 2: and pass it. On to the. Next, general we, can

936
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:25,500
Speaker 2: build also unlike animals. We have freedom of choice we.

937
01:02:25,540 --> 01:02:28,100
Speaker 2: Can do good and evil an animal. Is programmed as

938
01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:31,260
Speaker 2: it were You can program, it or god. Programs it

939
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:34,460
Speaker 2: but it's. Programmed we have Free choice we are in

940
01:02:34,540 --> 01:02:37,940
Speaker 2: god's image animals or not doesn't. Mean you Can, abuse

941
01:02:37,980 --> 01:02:43,780
Speaker 2: animals according to judaism it's so. Wrong to abuse an

942
01:02:43,780 --> 01:02:46,140
Speaker 2: animal one of the seven laws that demands of all

943
01:02:46,220 --> 01:02:49,700
Speaker 2: humanity is not to is not to eat the. Limb

944
01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:54,380
Speaker 2: Of a, living animal so judaism certainly and you'll see

945
01:02:54,420 --> 01:02:58,660
Speaker 2: that When. We go on with genesis but it is

946
01:02:58,740 --> 01:03:03,140
Speaker 2: important That you understand that's, why god destroys the world because,

947
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:06,540
Speaker 2: it was created for us, and if we're no. More

948
01:03:06,860 --> 01:03:10,780
Speaker 2: It is no more so god. Decides to destroy, the

949
01:03:10,820 --> 01:03:13,780
Speaker 2: world by the way there are people, who feel apologetic

950
01:03:13,860 --> 01:03:16,780
Speaker 2: about this or who Feel that it doesn't. Show god

951
01:03:16,820 --> 01:03:20,220
Speaker 2: and Good form what kind of god is that we've Graduated.

952
01:03:20,260 --> 01:03:24,020
Speaker 2: FROM that view, of GOD i don't believe so i

953
01:03:24,020 --> 01:03:26,100
Speaker 2: think it. Makes a lot of. Sense it touches me

954
01:03:26,180 --> 01:03:28,700
Speaker 2: greatly god says we hurt each other, ALL the time

955
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:33,460
Speaker 2: and says i want to start, again, with a good person. Vengeful.

956
01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:38,140
Speaker 2: MISERABLE or low Life god i Like that god who says.

957
01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:40,060
Speaker 2: I'm going to, try again but, of Course as, YOU

958
01:03:40,140 --> 01:03:42,900
Speaker 2: know later god says i won't do it again. If You,

959
01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:46,300
Speaker 2: destroy the world, after NOAH, you did it not i

960
01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:51,260
Speaker 2: and we can do. It, as you well know now the.

961
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:53,780
Speaker 2: Next sentence is very powerful god says he's going to

962
01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:57,419
Speaker 2: DESTROY the world BECAUSE he. I Regret what i made

963
01:03:57,660 --> 01:04:03,220
Speaker 2: But noah. Found Favor in god's eyes, But. God, liked

964
01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:08,780
Speaker 2: one person, noah now as you know there are flood

965
01:04:08,820 --> 01:04:13,540
Speaker 2: stories in almost, every tradition in the world which leads

966
01:04:13,580 --> 01:04:17,860
Speaker 2: One To the very un sherlock holmesyan conclusion that there

967
01:04:17,940 --> 01:04:20,220
Speaker 2: must have been a big flood in. The history of

968
01:04:20,260 --> 01:04:23,499
Speaker 2: the world if every, culture has a flood story there.

969
01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:27,380
Speaker 2: Must have been A, flood in the ancient maores. They

970
01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:30,340
Speaker 2: all had flood stories the world. Was destroyed by a

971
01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:35,180
Speaker 2: flood But there are differences between noah's flood story. And

972
01:04:35,340 --> 01:04:37,740
Speaker 2: the other flood stories let me give. You a few,

973
01:04:37,780 --> 01:04:43,740
Speaker 2: Of them first of All god chooses to save. Noah

974
01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:51,260
Speaker 2: because he was good others are Chosen, because they are

975
01:04:51,340 --> 01:04:56,180
Speaker 2: half god, or because they Are handsome or because the

976
01:04:56,260 --> 01:04:59,860
Speaker 2: god had a. Capricious liking for the, person not in

977
01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:05,140
Speaker 2: this case the entire. Story is based on. Ethics that's.

978
01:05:05,220 --> 01:05:09,220
Speaker 2: All that Matters. Noah's good i'll, Save noah. People are bad.

979
01:05:09,380 --> 01:05:14,660
Speaker 2: THEY'RE destroyed the entire story i am destroying the world,

980
01:05:14,660 --> 01:05:17,099
Speaker 2: because They hurt Each other and i'm. Saving, noah because

981
01:05:17,140 --> 01:05:23,100
Speaker 2: he's good Now let me give you i'll read you

982
01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:31,780
Speaker 2: a little tiny story of A contemporaneous account from From

983
01:05:31,940 --> 01:05:35,500
Speaker 2: i Think it's a mesopotamian or. Babylonian legend of? The

984
01:05:35,580 --> 01:05:40,100
Speaker 2: time are you ready this is why. The gods destroyed

985
01:05:40,180 --> 01:05:43,980
Speaker 2: the world, according to their flood, story the land became,

986
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:49,300
Speaker 2: Wide the people became numerous the. Land Bellowed like wild

987
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:54,939
Speaker 2: oxen the god, was Disturbed by their uproar and lil

988
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:59,340
Speaker 2: heard their clamor And, said to the great gods oppressive has.

989
01:05:59,420 --> 01:06:03,460
Speaker 2: Become the clamor, of mankind by. Their uproar they prevent

990
01:06:03,580 --> 01:06:07,580
Speaker 2: sleep now that's a good reason and then they are.

991
01:06:07,980 --> 01:06:11,580
Speaker 2: THEY'RE not, letting us sleep, I mean do you realize

992
01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:14,419
Speaker 2: i mean when you compare that at The same, time

993
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:17,780
Speaker 2: as the, noah story a moral man an ethical, man

994
01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:20,500
Speaker 2: in a bad, world and hear the story let's destroy

995
01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:23,140
Speaker 2: world because they. Don't let us gods sleep they make

996
01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:26,100
Speaker 2: them much molley because they. WERE too, many of them

997
01:06:26,260 --> 01:06:31,740
Speaker 2: i mean. You realize the unbridgable gap IT'S part of

998
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:34,020
Speaker 2: the reason i believe In, the divinity of the torah

999
01:06:34,420 --> 01:06:37,499
Speaker 2: because it's so. UNLIKE anything at its time, i DON'T

1000
01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:40,300
Speaker 2: believe in supermen so i have to believe there was

1001
01:06:40,340 --> 01:06:43,660
Speaker 2: a divine element in something so different that was one

1002
01:06:43,660 --> 01:06:47,260
Speaker 2: of the sophisticated stories. Going around at the time and here.

1003
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:50,939
Speaker 2: The whole thing. Is ethics it's all. Different it's just all,

1004
01:06:50,940 --> 01:06:58,020
Speaker 2: different noah's a mere. Man not a half divinity he's solely,

1005
01:06:58,100 --> 01:07:02,020
Speaker 2: saved because of his decency not because of his beauty

1006
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:04,860
Speaker 2: or devotion to the. Gods In, some other Way, and

1007
01:07:05,020 --> 01:07:09,419
Speaker 2: sarna not from sarna. Has another thing to say. I'll

1008
01:07:09,460 --> 01:07:11,939
Speaker 2: read it to you perhaps the most significant of all

1009
01:07:11,980 --> 01:07:16,660
Speaker 2: The distinctive features of the Torah, account is, that only noah,

1010
01:07:17,060 --> 01:07:21,580
Speaker 2: his wife his three sons and, their lives enter the

1011
01:07:21,740 --> 01:07:25,939
Speaker 2: arc whereas in the other accounts, the builders of the.

1012
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:32,860
Speaker 2: Vessel the, builders get it the boatman relatives and friends

1013
01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:37,420
Speaker 2: are passengers with. The hero and his family This means

1014
01:07:37,420 --> 01:07:40,980
Speaker 2: that only in genesis is the concept of a. Single,

1015
01:07:41,100 --> 01:07:45,260
Speaker 2: family of man possible indeed. It is a major theme

1016
01:07:45,860 --> 01:07:49,380
Speaker 2: the centrality of the family is, being made a point

1017
01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:53,700
Speaker 2: here and that. It is a durable unit It's an

1018
01:07:53,740 --> 01:07:57,300
Speaker 2: interesting POINT that sarna makes that i. Had never come Across.

1019
01:07:57,300 --> 01:08:00,700
Speaker 2: Before notice there are noah he. Doesn't take a crew

1020
01:08:00,740 --> 01:08:05,900
Speaker 2: alone in, all the other flood stories the hero who is.

1021
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:09,700
Speaker 2: Saved takes. Along a crew no, crew and by the

1022
01:08:09,740 --> 01:08:12,419
Speaker 2: way in that regard is a very touching thing, as

1023
01:08:12,460 --> 01:08:15,140
Speaker 2: YOU will see later which i don't, think we'll get

1024
01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:18,500
Speaker 2: to tonight but. It's a very Touching thing where you

1025
01:08:18,700 --> 01:08:24,620
Speaker 2: have god closes the door when they, all go in

1026
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:28,900
Speaker 2: The ark it says. In god, closed the door it's

1027
01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:32,300
Speaker 2: again remember. Those of you with me Since chapter one

1028
01:08:32,540 --> 01:08:37,860
Speaker 2: a refutation genesis. Is there to refute polytheism in those

1029
01:08:37,979 --> 01:08:42,379
Speaker 2: cases it was done by the people, on the boat,

1030
01:08:42,900 --> 01:08:46,580
Speaker 2: saving themselves as it were. The crew doing the Thing.

1031
01:08:47,059 --> 01:08:50,740
Speaker 2: Here it is purely. God god runs the show he

1032
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:57,259
Speaker 2: even closes the door. On the ark for them now

1033
01:08:57,340 --> 01:09:02,820
Speaker 2: comes one of THE most fascinating debates that i know

1034
01:09:02,939 --> 01:09:07,099
Speaker 2: of in. All of The rabbinic? Literature why is noah

1035
01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:10,820
Speaker 2: chosen we are now on, verse nine and chapter six.

1036
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:18,820
Speaker 2: And these were the generations, back to that word again

1037
01:09:18,939 --> 01:09:22,220
Speaker 2: or This. Is the line of noah, Noah was a

1038
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:27,259
Speaker 2: righteous man he. Was blameless in His. Age, noah walked

1039
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:34,019
Speaker 2: with god okay the. Sixty Four thousand dollars question and

1040
01:09:34,099 --> 01:09:36,700
Speaker 2: i've made this point. ON a number of occasions i

1041
01:09:36,740 --> 01:09:41,059
Speaker 2: am Profoundly grateful for my religious jewish education because it

1042
01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:45,019
Speaker 2: taught me how to one. Incredibly important way to read

1043
01:09:46,099 --> 01:09:50,580
Speaker 2: always always ask why did the text use? THESE words

1044
01:09:50,620 --> 01:09:54,259
Speaker 2: and not others i, use that to this day for those.

1045
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:56,219
Speaker 2: OF you who don't know i do a Radio Talk,

1046
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:59,380
Speaker 2: show Here in los angeles and i've been, doing it

1047
01:09:59,420 --> 01:10:03,339
Speaker 2: for ten years, and when a caller calls my mind,

1048
01:10:03,460 --> 01:10:08,780
Speaker 2: is trained always to think why is the person using that?

1049
01:10:08,860 --> 01:10:13,219
Speaker 2: Word and not another word, people do use deliberate words

1050
01:10:13,260 --> 01:10:15,820
Speaker 2: whether they're. Conscious of it or not and if you,

1051
01:10:15,939 --> 01:10:19,019
Speaker 2: ever read text like that you, even make up the. Question,

1052
01:10:19,939 --> 01:10:24,139
Speaker 2: just make it up well why did it? Use, hello,

1053
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:29,019
Speaker 2: Instead of ye silly. Right but there's a reason. People

1054
01:10:29,099 --> 01:10:32,820
Speaker 2: do things for reasons. People use words for reasons here

1055
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:36,259
Speaker 2: is the best example Of. It IN the entire torah

1056
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:38,900
Speaker 2: and i wonder if on your own you could figure.

1057
01:10:38,939 --> 01:10:41,139
Speaker 2: OUT what the question is i will. Read you the

1058
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:45,979
Speaker 2: verse again These, are the generations of noah or This.

1059
01:10:46,019 --> 01:10:49,179
Speaker 2: Is the line of noah. Noah was a righteous man

1060
01:10:50,260 --> 01:10:56,099
Speaker 2: he was a. Righteous man in His. Generations noah walked

1061
01:10:56,140 --> 01:11:01,939
Speaker 2: with god what words seemed to just jump out at you?

1062
01:11:02,059 --> 01:11:10,740
Speaker 2: As as saying something additional? Anybody have an? Idea exactly

1063
01:11:11,540 --> 01:11:16,260
Speaker 2: that was? It you all? Got it in his generations

1064
01:11:16,620 --> 01:11:19,660
Speaker 2: and what did the. Rabbis have a debate over it's

1065
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:21,700
Speaker 2: A great question and one i want to go. Over

1066
01:11:21,740 --> 01:11:30,499
Speaker 2: with you in detail It could have simply said, Noah

1067
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:33,939
Speaker 2: was a Good. Man noah walked With god but it

1068
01:11:34,019 --> 01:11:38,820
Speaker 2: says noah was a. Good man in? His generations what's

1069
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:44,099
Speaker 2: the implication, there are two possible implications and both are

1070
01:11:44,260 --> 01:11:48,139
Speaker 2: can have. A good, argument, for them one that well,

1071
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:52,979
Speaker 2: in such a miserable. Generation sure he was good he's

1072
01:11:53,059 --> 01:11:57,019
Speaker 2: stuck out, Because they are all miserable but he. Wasn't

1073
01:11:57,059 --> 01:12:01,900
Speaker 2: such a great guy the other one is equally plausible

1074
01:12:02,620 --> 01:12:05,820
Speaker 2: if he was good in the generation where, everybody around

1075
01:12:05,860 --> 01:12:08,620
Speaker 2: him was rotten can you imagine how good he. Be

1076
01:12:08,660 --> 01:12:13,059
Speaker 2: in a good, generation you get the debate he wasn't so,

1077
01:12:13,180 --> 01:12:17,460
Speaker 2: terrific because in, his generation to be terrific all you

1078
01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:21,379
Speaker 2: had to do is. Be better than the rotten which?

1079
01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:24,059
Speaker 2: DO you think is true. I will take. A vote

1080
01:12:24,059 --> 01:12:26,339
Speaker 2: i'm very curious i. Will say THEM once AGAIN.

1081
01:12:26,420 --> 01:12:26,500
Speaker 1: YOU.

1082
01:12:26,620 --> 01:12:30,780
Speaker 2: Vote a or b, A he wasn't that impressive that's what.

1083
01:12:30,860 --> 01:12:34,099
Speaker 2: The tourists trying to say but given, his generation of.

1084
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:38,540
Speaker 2: Miserable people he was good or it adds, THE words

1085
01:12:38,540 --> 01:12:43,179
Speaker 2: IN his generation b vote b to tell. You how

1086
01:12:43,340 --> 01:12:47,380
Speaker 2: wonderful he was that, even in a bad. Generation, the

1087
01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:51,740
Speaker 2: man was. Good okay it's all, clear who votes FOR?

1088
01:12:51,780 --> 01:13:00,019
Speaker 2: Akay who votes for b it is almost. It's almost

1089
01:13:00,099 --> 01:13:04,219
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty maybe IT. Was fifty forty five b

1090
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:10,219
Speaker 2: and you your vote reflects. Exactly my own INNER debate

1091
01:13:10,420 --> 01:13:12,500
Speaker 2: you know that i. LEARNED this in third grade. I

1092
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:16,139
Speaker 2: have NEVER resolved it every time i, HEAR one, of,

1093
01:13:16,180 --> 01:13:19,099
Speaker 2: the points i. Go YEAH that's that's right then i,

1094
01:13:19,099 --> 01:13:22,660
Speaker 2: Hear the other. Way, Up yeah that's right listen i'll

1095
01:13:22,660 --> 01:13:24,740
Speaker 2: put it to, you in, A different way all. Right

1096
01:13:24,780 --> 01:13:28,740
Speaker 2: i'm taking another vote. Here's my question to you do

1097
01:13:28,780 --> 01:13:32,339
Speaker 2: you think it is easier to be good when people

1098
01:13:32,380 --> 01:13:36,259
Speaker 2: around you were all good or when people. Around, you are, all,

1099
01:13:36,340 --> 01:13:41,620
Speaker 2: bad well. Let's vote guys let's. Vote, that did not

1100
01:13:41,740 --> 01:13:44,979
Speaker 2: help okay? Not a. Help at all all right if

1101
01:13:45,019 --> 01:13:47,420
Speaker 2: you believe that it is easier to be good if the,

1102
01:13:47,420 --> 01:13:51,820
Speaker 2: people around you, are good. Raise your head all right

1103
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:53,660
Speaker 2: if you believe that it's easy to be good if the,

1104
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:57,300
Speaker 2: people around you. Were, bad raise your hand overwhelmingly, you

1105
01:13:57,380 --> 01:13:59,620
Speaker 2: voted on number one that it's easier to be good

1106
01:13:59,620 --> 01:14:01,580
Speaker 2: if the. People around you were good. NOW now you

1107
01:14:01,660 --> 01:14:05,380
Speaker 2: realize something a LOT of you voted for a when

1108
01:14:05,420 --> 01:14:08,900
Speaker 2: in the other case YOU. Shouldn't have, voted for a you?

1109
01:14:08,939 --> 01:14:12,540
Speaker 2: See that isn't that interesting you Voted, against you voted

1110
01:14:12,580 --> 01:14:15,339
Speaker 2: against noah but then voted when, it came, to you

1111
01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:17,740
Speaker 2: that in fact it would be much harder for you

1112
01:14:17,820 --> 01:14:20,740
Speaker 2: to be good. When the people, ARE bad so maybe oh.

1113
01:14:20,780 --> 01:14:24,660
Speaker 2: I should get more credit. MAYBE you want to revote i.

1114
01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:26,979
Speaker 2: WON'T take a third vote i do want, to, point

1115
01:14:26,979 --> 01:14:29,540
Speaker 2: out to you though that that's really. What the question

1116
01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:32,780
Speaker 2: is about? Where WOULD you stick out and. I think that. About,

1117
01:14:32,780 --> 01:14:36,540
Speaker 2: MYSELF i don't KNOW frankly, i THINK and. I think

1118
01:14:36,580 --> 01:14:40,939
Speaker 2: and i think my own suspicion is that if, EVERYBODY

1119
01:14:40,939 --> 01:14:43,139
Speaker 2: around me WERE good i don't think i would. WANT

1120
01:14:43,180 --> 01:14:46,540
Speaker 2: to excel beyond that i would be very happy to

1121
01:14:46,580 --> 01:14:49,139
Speaker 2: be as good as everybody else and take a lot

1122
01:14:49,180 --> 01:14:51,900
Speaker 2: of pictures and listen To a LOT of heighten that's.

1123
01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:54,500
Speaker 2: How i think about it but if, PEOPLE around me

1124
01:14:54,540 --> 01:14:57,340
Speaker 2: are bad i feel a very great mission to MAKE

1125
01:14:57,340 --> 01:14:59,580
Speaker 2: the world better because i don't, want PEOPLE to be, bad,

1126
01:15:00,260 --> 01:15:05,380
Speaker 2: SO i oddly enough. Therefore i would, VOTE opposite in

1127
01:15:05,460 --> 01:15:08,620
Speaker 2: many ways i think it's easier for me to be

1128
01:15:08,660 --> 01:15:11,179
Speaker 2: good around bad. PEOPLE than around good people i would,

1129
01:15:11,180 --> 01:15:13,019
Speaker 2: be AS good as them but i wouldn't. Be good

1130
01:15:13,099 --> 01:15:16,299
Speaker 2: enough to excel that's my own sense of. My, Own

1131
01:15:16,380 --> 01:15:20,780
Speaker 2: nature that good eh I'm not that. Good around i'm

1132
01:15:20,820 --> 01:15:22,900
Speaker 2: bad people i'm never going, to Sink to their level

1133
01:15:22,979 --> 01:15:25,500
Speaker 2: so i'll. Stand out as being good i'm not. Gonna

1134
01:15:25,540 --> 01:15:28,180
Speaker 2: do what they, did it's an interesting question By. The

1135
01:15:28,220 --> 01:15:31,460
Speaker 2: way into the guard it's fascinating because this issue of

1136
01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:35,780
Speaker 2: why people are good. AND bad IS preoccupies me i

1137
01:15:35,820 --> 01:15:40,380
Speaker 2: have i have interviewed on a Number of occasions Rescuers.

1138
01:15:40,380 --> 01:15:45,260
Speaker 2: Of jews during the holocaust, now, THEIR goodness is monumental

1139
01:15:45,340 --> 01:15:47,620
Speaker 2: right i mean there's, just, THERE are, no words correct

1140
01:15:48,019 --> 01:15:50,939
Speaker 2: i mean. That IS about the, epitome as i point

1141
01:15:50,979 --> 01:15:53,019
Speaker 2: out it is more than the man who jumps in

1142
01:15:53,059 --> 01:15:55,500
Speaker 2: the freezing lake to save a. Drowning person from an.

1143
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:58,420
Speaker 2: Airplane that's a great act, don't don't get me. Wrong

1144
01:15:58,460 --> 01:16:02,700
Speaker 2: it's a magnificent act but It's done once A non

1145
01:16:02,820 --> 01:16:06,179
Speaker 2: Jew Who hid jews during world war two jumped into.

1146
01:16:06,220 --> 01:16:11,259
Speaker 2: Freezing lakes every single day you understand the point any

1147
01:16:11,300 --> 01:16:13,220
Speaker 2: because any on any given day they could have, they

1148
01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:15,580
Speaker 2: could have been caught And, in the case, of poles

1149
01:16:15,939 --> 01:16:19,979
Speaker 2: unlike other countries but, in case of polls executed in

1150
01:16:20,019 --> 01:16:24,099
Speaker 2: the case of other country's. Punished BUT not necessarily executed when,

1151
01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:28,460
Speaker 2: i have asked these people? Why did you do? IT

1152
01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:32,940
Speaker 2: or do, you tho i asked them do you recognize

1153
01:16:32,979 --> 01:16:36,660
Speaker 2: how good you are now that you? Know what life,

1154
01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:41,139
Speaker 2: is about and in perspective. Not one ever said yes

1155
01:16:41,500 --> 01:16:45,500
Speaker 2: and they are not. Being unduly humble or modest they

1156
01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:50,179
Speaker 2: truly believe that they are normal human beings who just did.

1157
01:16:50,260 --> 01:16:52,460
Speaker 2: What you're supposed to do somebody. Is going to be

1158
01:16:52,540 --> 01:16:56,179
Speaker 2: murdered you, put them in your. Basement and it is

1159
01:16:56,300 --> 01:16:59,660
Speaker 2: interesting would it would be very interesting to know if

1160
01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:04,660
Speaker 2: these people in a normally decent society would. Stand out

1161
01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:08,780
Speaker 2: as exceptionally good there's a very. Good chance that they

1162
01:17:08,820 --> 01:17:13,300
Speaker 2: wouldn't yet every, one OF us considers them and. I

1163
01:17:13,740 --> 01:17:17,219
Speaker 2: AMONG them as magnificent so, I got To tell you

1164
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:20,099
Speaker 2: i give noah more credit in that debate when, WHEN

1165
01:17:20,140 --> 01:17:24,620
Speaker 2: push come to shove. I give him more credit then

1166
01:17:24,900 --> 01:17:27,979
Speaker 2: we would tend to based on your vote earlier and

1167
01:17:28,140 --> 01:17:30,380
Speaker 2: based on a lot of what the rabbis who, Raised,

1168
01:17:30,420 --> 01:17:34,099
Speaker 2: this issue were thinking. Well he wouldn't have excelled but

1169
01:17:34,540 --> 01:17:36,860
Speaker 2: the truth is to excel in the time of bad

1170
01:17:36,979 --> 01:17:39,700
Speaker 2: is more important than to excel. In the time of

1171
01:17:39,740 --> 01:17:43,500
Speaker 2: good that's when goodness is rarest and. When, we need

1172
01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:47,420
Speaker 2: it most however The ones who vote Against noah have

1173
01:17:47,620 --> 01:17:51,500
Speaker 2: some good they. Do have some good points, and their

1174
01:17:51,580 --> 01:17:53,420
Speaker 2: chief good point WHICH is the one that i will

1175
01:17:53,540 --> 01:17:56,380
Speaker 2: end with, and then take your questions their, Chief good

1176
01:17:56,460 --> 01:17:59,620
Speaker 2: pollic is this. AND it really is funny. I have To, Fill,

1177
01:17:59,660 --> 01:18:04,979
Speaker 2: you god tells noah noah. Go and build an arc

1178
01:18:06,300 --> 01:18:08,860
Speaker 2: i'm going. To destroy the whole World but you and.

1179
01:18:08,900 --> 01:18:14,340
Speaker 2: Miss noah and, the kids i'm Gonna say? And what does?

1180
01:18:14,380 --> 01:18:20,420
Speaker 2: Noah Do builds an arc the rabbis. Were not Impressed with? That,

1181
01:18:22,780 --> 01:18:25,780
Speaker 2: what Did abraham do later when god said He? Was going,

1182
01:18:25,860 --> 01:18:30,700
Speaker 2: to destroy sidome, he Said, wait a minute if, God,

1183
01:18:30,740 --> 01:18:32,939
Speaker 2: hold on a minute god what if there, are fifty

1184
01:18:33,019 --> 01:18:37,260
Speaker 2: good people there? Wouldn't You save the city. And saidome, was,

1185
01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:41,740
Speaker 2: really rotten, God says yes. For fifty i'll save him

1186
01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:44,939
Speaker 2: and Then, he keeps, bargaining with god keeps? Bargaining well what?

1187
01:18:44,979 --> 01:18:47,460
Speaker 2: About forty what about thirty what. About and keeps. Going

1188
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:51,939
Speaker 2: down It's very? Interesting what does? Noah say WHERE'S the

1189
01:18:52,059 --> 01:19:02,620
Speaker 2: lumber where? Do i get the lumber. That is a

1190
01:19:02,740 --> 01:19:08,939
Speaker 2: dramatic difference there Isn't a word uttered by, noah in

1191
01:19:09,260 --> 01:19:11,780
Speaker 2: all you know? Why DON'T you rethink it maybe i. Could,

1192
01:19:11,780 --> 01:19:15,700
Speaker 2: bring people a message also you have the sense this,

1193
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:17,180
Speaker 2: is one of you KNOW one OF those times i

1194
01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:19,500
Speaker 2: wish i. Could go back in history. Guys building this

1195
01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:22,620
Speaker 2: huge arc all the animals of. The universe are climbing in,

1196
01:19:23,099 --> 01:19:27,179
Speaker 2: What did the neighbors think, I'VE always my whole life.

1197
01:19:27,220 --> 01:19:30,620
Speaker 2: I have always, wandered, lotted noa's neighbors think. Hey going

1198
01:19:30,660 --> 01:19:36,820
Speaker 2: for a cruise There. No, Heading, To the. Caribbean wah

1199
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:39,300
Speaker 2: no i'm serious. The man builds an ark he had to.

1200
01:19:39,340 --> 01:19:42,540
Speaker 2: Have a discussion with, somebody you'd, think it's say you know,

1201
01:19:43,340 --> 01:19:45,300
Speaker 2: the World's gonna be destroyed so i'm building. An arc,

1202
01:19:46,340 --> 01:19:48,500
Speaker 2: something like that you? Know Why don't you repent maybe

1203
01:19:48,540 --> 01:19:50,860
Speaker 2: god will. Put you on the ark. You're not? A bad?

1204
01:19:50,900 --> 01:19:55,219
Speaker 2: Neighbor who knows. Who knows but it's fascinating Noah says

1205
01:19:55,460 --> 01:20:01,059
Speaker 2: nothing someone like Adam. Getting the fruit, from eve just he.

1206
01:20:01,260 --> 01:20:05,380
Speaker 2: Ate that's all it says and he ate and so,

1207
01:20:05,580 --> 01:20:08,979
Speaker 2: too Here. And he, built not abraham it says way.

1208
01:20:09,019 --> 01:20:12,620
Speaker 2: You're gonna destroy. HUMAN beings that bothers me. I don't

1209
01:20:12,700 --> 01:20:16,540
Speaker 2: like that Idea and that's why the rabbis have This

1210
01:20:16,700 --> 01:20:21,459
Speaker 2: contrast between him and abraham and where it's and that's

1211
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:24,740
Speaker 2: where they point out luck he wasn't a giant compared to.

1212
01:20:24,860 --> 01:20:27,380
Speaker 2: The people in his, day he was a giant but.

1213
01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:31,099
Speaker 2: He wasn't really a giant it's a terrific question to

1214
01:20:31,220 --> 01:20:35,900
Speaker 2: ask yourselves, what constitutes a moral giant. Which is a

1215
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:38,780
Speaker 2: greater challenge and you know the answer might be, that

1216
01:20:38,939 --> 01:20:41,540
Speaker 2: for some of us one is, a bigger challenge than

1217
01:20:41,540 --> 01:20:44,939
Speaker 2: another that some of us could rise to, our best

1218
01:20:44,939 --> 01:20:47,500
Speaker 2: among good people some of us could rise to our

1219
01:20:47,540 --> 01:20:50,420
Speaker 2: best when the. World is, Tough and. Bad you know

1220
01:20:50,820 --> 01:20:55,059
Speaker 2: i'm serious is it less heroic in some ways in

1221
01:20:55,099 --> 01:20:57,620
Speaker 2: the middle of affluence to take time out of your

1222
01:20:57,700 --> 01:21:02,300
Speaker 2: day every single day? And record for the? Blind is.

1223
01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:07,260
Speaker 2: That LESS heroic it's difficult but i don't know if

1224
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:09,580
Speaker 2: the personal records for the blind would risk his or

1225
01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:12,780
Speaker 2: her life to save. A STRANGER in a holocaust and

1226
01:21:12,820 --> 01:21:15,500
Speaker 2: I don't know if the holocaust ones are recording for

1227
01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:19,500
Speaker 2: the Blind. Every day sin's the holocaust maybe we have

1228
01:21:19,660 --> 01:21:24,219
Speaker 2: different tendencies towards the way we can. Express whatever goodness

1229
01:21:24,260 --> 01:21:26,580
Speaker 2: we Have and IT'S an interesting that's why i said

1230
01:21:26,860 --> 01:21:29,540
Speaker 2: it is truly one. Of the most fascinating questions ONE

1231
01:21:29,780 --> 01:21:31,860
Speaker 2: one final final word i Said that. Was final Word

1232
01:21:32,099 --> 01:21:35,059
Speaker 2: god tells god tells, noah to build an arc just

1233
01:21:35,059 --> 01:21:38,019
Speaker 2: a little point. That you're find of interest The word for,

1234
01:21:38,340 --> 01:21:41,420
Speaker 2: arc and hebrew is teva and it. Is used later

1235
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:44,660
Speaker 2: as well it is exactly The word used for what

1236
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:51,620
Speaker 2: Moses's mother. Builds to put moses in, and but, it's

1237
01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:53,220
Speaker 2: too bad we see that's Where, it's GOOD to know

1238
01:21:53,300 --> 01:21:55,939
Speaker 2: hebrew because i Don't think they use and moses's mother

1239
01:21:56,019 --> 01:21:59,059
Speaker 2: built an arc because it would have confused a. Lot

1240
01:21:59,099 --> 01:22:01,780
Speaker 2: of readers In arc but you know noah's ark and

1241
01:22:01,939 --> 01:22:06,139
Speaker 2: you know the point though is. And there is a?

1242
01:22:06,220 --> 01:22:09,500
Speaker 2: Point what is an arc how does an? Arc, DIFFER

1243
01:22:09,540 --> 01:22:12,740
Speaker 2: from a boat well i. Gave YOU the answer earlier

1244
01:22:12,900 --> 01:22:16,900
Speaker 2: remember i? Said there was no crew? Who, Then steers

1245
01:22:16,979 --> 01:22:22,939
Speaker 2: an arc god god is. The steerer of an arc

1246
01:22:23,780 --> 01:22:26,660
Speaker 2: all arcs. Do is sit on water where they end

1247
01:22:26,740 --> 01:22:29,300
Speaker 2: up has nothing to do. With the people on it

1248
01:22:30,180 --> 01:22:33,340
Speaker 2: and that Is exactly what. Happened with moses' little arc

1249
01:22:34,500 --> 01:22:38,099
Speaker 2: god pushed It into. The hands of pharaoh's. Daughter god

1250
01:22:38,740 --> 01:22:41,780
Speaker 2: moved it along There was no. Crew in moses' little

1251
01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:45,180
Speaker 2: arc these are just some of the beautiful little insights

1252
01:22:45,220 --> 01:22:48,219
Speaker 2: when You study this in the original that is Not.

1253
01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:52,500
Speaker 2: Always available in THE english and So when i, continue

1254
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:58,700
Speaker 2: with genesis this summer we will find out what happens,

1255
01:22:58,700 --> 01:23:02,219
Speaker 2: when The world is destroyed meet abraham and a. Lot

1256
01:23:02,220 --> 01:23:04,820
Speaker 2: Of other fascinating things what i'd like to do now

1257
01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:07,740
Speaker 2: is take any questions that any of you Have From. Today, or,

1258
01:23:07,780 --> 01:23:13,059
Speaker 2: the four Sessions yes please maybe maybe noah was truly

1259
01:23:13,099 --> 01:23:17,499
Speaker 2: aware of how evil. The People, around Him? Were? Whereas,

1260
01:23:17,540 --> 01:23:20,939
Speaker 2: adam whereas abraham what Yeah that's? The? Where is abram Him, On,

1261
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:27,340
Speaker 2: but there weren't yes, Oh you mean he knew oh

1262
01:23:27,420 --> 01:23:30,540
Speaker 2: he Knew. Good, PEOPLE outside of saddam. Oh, i see

1263
01:23:30,580 --> 01:23:34,300
Speaker 2: that's interesting well. IT is an interesting argument. I, have

1264
01:23:34,380 --> 01:23:41,099
Speaker 2: to say this. Uh it's a tough issue if you're,

1265
01:23:41,099 --> 01:23:45,780
Speaker 2: really surrounded by rotten people? What are you, gonna do

1266
01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:49,420
Speaker 2: first of all is a very good chance that if you,

1267
01:23:49,540 --> 01:23:52,820
Speaker 2: tell them what. YOU'RE doing, they'll kill, YOU i, mean you,

1268
01:23:52,820 --> 01:23:55,820
Speaker 2: know i was You know making light of noah. Saying

1269
01:23:55,860 --> 01:23:59,179
Speaker 2: nothing to his neighbors but how would bad people react

1270
01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:02,580
Speaker 2: if you were building some sort of rescue vehicle, for,

1271
01:24:02,660 --> 01:24:06,019
Speaker 2: Yourselvel and tell them, well i'll tell you, why because

1272
01:24:06,019 --> 01:24:10,259
Speaker 2: you really stink and because the creator of the universe

1273
01:24:10,340 --> 01:24:15,380
Speaker 2: is about to drown. You have A nice day SO

1274
01:24:15,860 --> 01:24:18,499
Speaker 2: no i really think i think There is a defense.

1275
01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:20,580
Speaker 2: For noah, In that regard you're right why is? He gonna,

1276
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:23,500
Speaker 2: say to them, you, know he probably. SAID oh it's.

1277
01:24:23,540 --> 01:24:29,059
Speaker 2: My Hobby i collect animals, And i'll tell. YOU this

1278
01:24:29,260 --> 01:24:32,580
Speaker 2: there's no question i would love To. DO a, screenplay

1279
01:24:33,220 --> 01:24:35,900
Speaker 2: on noah i mean it is truly one of the

1280
01:24:36,019 --> 01:24:39,740
Speaker 2: richest stories in the text for what what could. Be

1281
01:24:39,780 --> 01:24:42,179
Speaker 2: handled in any direction and your. Defense, is a good. One,

1282
01:24:42,340 --> 01:24:49,339
Speaker 2: yes bal bomb shelters yes except nobody built them thinking

1283
01:24:49,380 --> 01:24:52,220
Speaker 2: that all. The neighbors deserve to die so it's. A

1284
01:24:52,260 --> 01:24:53,380
Speaker 2: different it's a difference they.

1285
01:24:53,380 --> 01:24:53,580
Speaker 1: Thought.

1286
01:24:53,580 --> 01:25:06,580
Speaker 2: Their neighbors were innocent yes in case this, is not

1287
01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:09,219
Speaker 2: clear to everybody including those. Of you in video land

1288
01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:18,180
Speaker 2: The question was who was? Caine afraid would kill him

1289
01:25:18,260 --> 01:25:20,219
Speaker 2: where were these where were these other people who? Might

1290
01:25:20,260 --> 01:25:23,979
Speaker 2: kill him coming from and the answer that this woman

1291
01:25:24,059 --> 01:25:27,139
Speaker 2: received From one teacher was that god created. Other people

1292
01:25:27,180 --> 01:25:31,900
Speaker 2: at that time the problem, with, that is it defies

1293
01:25:32,019 --> 01:25:36,099
Speaker 2: then the very powerful teaching of the text that we.

1294
01:25:36,140 --> 01:25:40,139
Speaker 2: All come from one ancestor the text goes out of

1295
01:25:40,180 --> 01:25:42,500
Speaker 2: its way to say we. All come From one person

1296
01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,939
Speaker 2: so for god to have made parallel people at the

1297
01:25:46,019 --> 01:25:50,260
Speaker 2: time strikes me as undermining the. Whole GIST of the

1298
01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:57,139
Speaker 2: story so i rather live with a. DIFFICULTY than resolve

1299
01:25:57,180 --> 01:26:01,620
Speaker 2: it unsatisfactorily i don't have. An answer to your question

1300
01:26:02,140 --> 01:26:04,380
Speaker 2: maybe he would be, Killed for all we know maybe

1301
01:26:04,380 --> 01:26:08,140
Speaker 2: he would be killed. By, A, brother or, Sister possibly

1302
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:15,259
Speaker 2: YES you're right that's why. I live, With that difficulty. All, right,

1303
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:17,939
Speaker 2: i'll move over yes? Please where are You from ching

1304
01:26:18,099 --> 01:26:21,179
Speaker 2: is that god. Created us to be good if, we're

1305
01:26:21,220 --> 01:26:24,820
Speaker 2: not gonna be good. There's no purpose to life that is,

1306
01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:27,540
Speaker 2: exactly what's being taught here just as there's no purpose

1307
01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:30,500
Speaker 2: to animal life, if there are no people there's. No

1308
01:26:30,580 --> 01:26:33,939
Speaker 2: purpose to human life. If we're gonna be evil. Makes

1309
01:26:33,979 --> 01:26:36,700
Speaker 2: perfect sense to me god didn't create. Us in order.

1310
01:26:36,740 --> 01:26:40,179
Speaker 2: To procreate we're not animals god created us in order.

1311
01:26:40,260 --> 01:26:43,100
Speaker 2: To live a good life, if we're, Gonna be despicable

1312
01:26:43,420 --> 01:26:46,660
Speaker 2: forget it he'll. Just do it over again. MAKES total

1313
01:26:46,700 --> 01:26:50,300
Speaker 2: sense to Me i would be happily god's defender on. His,

1314
01:26:50,380 --> 01:26:59,500
Speaker 2: DECISION at that time yes I would. Have known what cain.

1315
01:26:59,540 --> 01:27:01,979
Speaker 2: Did it's a good question if, the world was as

1316
01:27:02,580 --> 01:27:05,939
Speaker 2: bad news travels fast as. The. Answer in row one

1317
01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:09,860
Speaker 2: right it especially travels fast when there are only. Eight

1318
01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:17,420
Speaker 2: people in the. World. It gets real Speedy yes implication

1319
01:27:17,580 --> 01:27:20,019
Speaker 2: of The torah text is that, god did not complete

1320
01:27:20,099 --> 01:27:22,380
Speaker 2: creation and it is. OUR test to complete, it i

1321
01:27:22,420 --> 01:27:24,979
Speaker 2: made that point, and it's A traditional point and the

1322
01:27:25,019 --> 01:27:28,820
Speaker 2: Hebrew makes it clear that. God created an unfinished world we.

1323
01:27:28,860 --> 01:27:31,099
Speaker 2: Are here to finish it One would have liked that god.

1324
01:27:31,180 --> 01:27:34,900
Speaker 2: MAYBE worked another ten minutes i think that's true in light.

1325
01:27:34,939 --> 01:27:37,580
Speaker 2: Of what you were saying let me take, five more

1326
01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:42,179
Speaker 2: and that's it because it's better to. Leave before the

1327
01:27:42,220 --> 01:27:46,700
Speaker 2: audience does, and so and you know it Seemed to be.

1328
01:27:46,780 --> 01:27:51,420
Speaker 2: Leaving LIKE heiden's farewell symphony so i let me let

1329
01:27:51,420 --> 01:27:54,460
Speaker 2: me just, take, a, couple, of, yeah yes please yeah. Yes.

1330
01:27:54,500 --> 01:28:09,019
Speaker 2: THE lady back there. YES i think that's excellent i

1331
01:28:09,019 --> 01:28:11,939
Speaker 2: think that that. May very Well be true just as

1332
01:28:12,059 --> 01:28:15,380
Speaker 2: kane didn't know what what act might, lead might lead to,

1333
01:28:15,740 --> 01:28:19,740
Speaker 2: killing so nobody else did and they may do an

1334
01:28:19,740 --> 01:28:21,780
Speaker 2: act to him which would, lead to his being killed

1335
01:28:21,780 --> 01:28:25,380
Speaker 2: and now he's afraid of that because now he knows you.

1336
01:28:25,420 --> 01:28:28,979
Speaker 2: Can get killed by people it's, a very very interesting,

1337
01:28:28,979 --> 01:28:31,939
Speaker 2: point and he's therefore, fearful as you point out because

1338
01:28:31,939 --> 01:28:35,540
Speaker 2: there's nothing more frightening than. Knowledge of what can happen

1339
01:28:35,660 --> 01:28:38,179
Speaker 2: it's a. Very INTERESTING and good, point and, I thank, you,

1340
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:43,419
Speaker 2: yes please. I say oh it's interesting, so as history

1341
01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:46,460
Speaker 2: moved on the gap between good, people and bad people Increased.

1342
01:28:50,740 --> 01:28:54,500
Speaker 2: Well in light Of abraham the description, of Abraham is so.

1343
01:28:54,620 --> 01:29:00,860
Speaker 2: Wonderful and sidoma so miserable my own suspicion is, that

1344
01:29:00,860 --> 01:29:09,219
Speaker 2: that's been, pretty universal that generally speaking every sospiety. In

1345
01:29:09,260 --> 01:29:13,580
Speaker 2: a very powerful way he said they. Were monsters disguised

1346
01:29:13,580 --> 01:29:19,380
Speaker 2: as humans. That's a very powerful way and it's true

1347
01:29:19,820 --> 01:29:23,059
Speaker 2: when you know. What they did to people, we all

1348
01:29:23,140 --> 01:29:27,500
Speaker 2: have crazy fantasies, we ALL have bad streaks but i

1349
01:29:27,580 --> 01:29:29,860
Speaker 2: know that for, the vast majority of. Us there's a

1350
01:29:29,860 --> 01:29:33,139
Speaker 2: cuddle point, you just can't you know just things you

1351
01:29:33,180 --> 01:29:38,019
Speaker 2: couldn't do and or so maybe There are. Those who

1352
01:29:38,059 --> 01:29:39,620
Speaker 2: say i'm wrong there are those who, say that under

1353
01:29:39,660 --> 01:29:45,139
Speaker 2: any circumstance almost. Anybody, can do any atrocity well that,

1354
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:47,380
Speaker 2: that's an interesting you know it's an. INTERESTING thing. TO

1355
01:29:47,420 --> 01:29:49,059
Speaker 2: work out, i Don't i DON'T know and i'm, not,

1356
01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:54,139
Speaker 2: i DON'T believe it frankly but i, do believe that

1357
01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:58,620
Speaker 2: there are there always were. Certain rottens AND certain goods

1358
01:29:58,660 --> 01:30:01,499
Speaker 2: that's why i, always feel that the battle the battle

1359
01:30:01,580 --> 01:30:04,420
Speaker 2: is for that very large part of humanity in the

1360
01:30:04,460 --> 01:30:07,900
Speaker 2: middle the ones who aren't going to Risk their lives To,

1361
01:30:07,979 --> 01:30:10,860
Speaker 2: save jews in the holocaust but the ones who also

1362
01:30:10,979 --> 01:30:14,179
Speaker 2: aren't going to be concentration camp guards or. Those who

1363
01:30:14,260 --> 01:30:17,660
Speaker 2: round them. Up most people Didn't either most People in

1364
01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:22,540
Speaker 2: europe didn't save Jews. And did round up. Jews most

1365
01:30:22,580 --> 01:30:27,979
Speaker 2: people did nothing and that's they, can go in either

1366
01:30:28,059 --> 01:30:30,900
Speaker 2: direction and that's where the moral battles of life are

1367
01:30:31,540 --> 01:30:34,939
Speaker 2: to get those in. The MIDDLE to be better but

1368
01:30:35,099 --> 01:30:38,300
Speaker 2: i really believe that there is a certain group. And that,

1369
01:30:38,340 --> 01:30:41,380
Speaker 2: it's balanced Almost you know there's a jewish tradition that

1370
01:30:41,420 --> 01:30:44,540
Speaker 2: there were thirty six righteous people, at all times in

1371
01:30:44,660 --> 01:30:49,300
Speaker 2: history thanks. To whom The world continues they're Called lahmedvovniks

1372
01:30:49,380 --> 01:30:53,820
Speaker 2: because lamedvov. And hebrew means thirty six but you can

1373
01:30:53,860 --> 01:30:55,500
Speaker 2: read there's a book on this is one of. The

1374
01:30:55,540 --> 01:30:58,660
Speaker 2: most Powerful Novels written it's Called. The last of the

1375
01:30:58,900 --> 01:31:02,300
Speaker 2: just you. Might want to read that it's you. CAN

1376
01:31:02,300 --> 01:31:04,500
Speaker 2: get it in Paperback, i Think It's a frenchman a,

1377
01:31:04,540 --> 01:31:10,099
Speaker 2: French Jew. Who. Wrote it, andre schwartzbart yeah, so anyway

1378
01:31:10,220 --> 01:31:13,540
Speaker 2: that's a. Good good and interesting point all. These are

1379
01:31:13,540 --> 01:31:18,460
Speaker 2: more than five so let me please FORGIVE me yes questan.

1380
01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:24,940
Speaker 2: And I have no answer did god create specific individuals?

1381
01:31:26,019 --> 01:31:29,220
Speaker 2: To do, specifically good things of course The opposite Is?

1382
01:31:29,260 --> 01:31:32,780
Speaker 2: Also Did god create hitler did? God create and so

1383
01:31:32,900 --> 01:31:44,340
Speaker 2: On stalin the Story of moses implies that moses, was

1384
01:31:44,380 --> 01:31:48,219
Speaker 2: a Great human being and therefore god Picked him to Take.

1385
01:31:48,260 --> 01:31:50,259
Speaker 2: The jews out of egypt. And it shows you, why

1386
01:31:51,580 --> 01:31:57,860
Speaker 2: ON the other hand, Maybe i Should have said fate

1387
01:31:57,939 --> 01:32:01,979
Speaker 2: steered moses's little r and it would have been and

1388
01:32:02,019 --> 01:32:05,059
Speaker 2: it would. Have been a Little better, but in The

1389
01:32:05,099 --> 01:32:08,540
Speaker 2: biblical mind faith and god. Are more or less iCal,

1390
01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:11,219
Speaker 2: and these are you know these are all the. Sixty

1391
01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:14,860
Speaker 2: four THOUSAND dollars? Questions what can i? Do i'll TAKE two?

1392
01:32:14,900 --> 01:32:23,740
Speaker 2: More who should i Take if you voted, That noah

1393
01:32:23,860 --> 01:32:28,740
Speaker 2: was really. Right i'll Call. On you i'm getting yes

1394
01:32:30,220 --> 01:32:33,219
Speaker 2: most of. My education is despite. SCHOOL i'll tell you

1395
01:32:33,260 --> 01:32:37,259
Speaker 2: that i VERY early In My life, I adopted mark

1396
01:32:37,300 --> 01:32:40,379
Speaker 2: twain's motto i never let. School interfere, with my Education,

1397
01:32:41,540 --> 01:32:45,580
Speaker 2: BUT officially in certainly judaic i have to GIVE credit told.

1398
01:32:45,580 --> 01:32:47,540
Speaker 2: THE yeshivas i Went to I went to. Yeshiva until

1399
01:32:47,540 --> 01:32:50,939
Speaker 2: I was Eighteen that's how, i know hebrew Said well

1400
01:32:51,019 --> 01:32:55,580
Speaker 2: and learned THE bible and the original I Went after

1401
01:32:55,620 --> 01:32:58,700
Speaker 2: that To Brooklyn college and then columbia University. DO graduate

1402
01:32:58,740 --> 01:33:08,500
Speaker 2: work in marxism i, was always interested in religion and

1403
01:33:09,620 --> 01:33:13,340
Speaker 2: left after. TWO years of graduate school i had a

1404
01:33:13,460 --> 01:33:17,020
Speaker 2: choice either to write a thesis on some totally irrelevant

1405
01:33:17,460 --> 01:33:21,139
Speaker 2: facet of lenin or write a book. On JUDAISMUALLY touch

1406
01:33:21,180 --> 01:33:24,340
Speaker 2: people's lives SO i wrote it when i was twenty

1407
01:33:24,380 --> 01:33:28,700
Speaker 2: six Eight, questions people ask about judaism which eventually became

1408
01:33:28,740 --> 01:33:33,139
Speaker 2: the Ninth, questions people ask about judaism and you. Can

1409
01:33:33,220 --> 01:33:35,620
Speaker 2: still Get it outside it's and i'm proud to tell

1410
01:33:35,620 --> 01:33:42,300
Speaker 2: you it's Most. Widely used introduction. To judaism and that's it? Does,

1411
01:33:42,340 --> 01:33:45,979
Speaker 2: that answer your question okay so. We, still have two

1412
01:33:46,019 --> 01:33:48,540
Speaker 2: more well let's. Get this woman right here. You're very

1413
01:33:48,580 --> 01:34:03,939
Speaker 2: patient and kind cain, has taking his pejorative Today whereas

1414
01:34:03,979 --> 01:34:06,179
Speaker 2: the mark of cain in the. Toro was a. Positive

1415
01:34:06,220 --> 01:34:08,820
Speaker 2: MARK don't touch him if i had to tell you

1416
01:34:08,900 --> 01:34:11,900
Speaker 2: that this Guy, has the mark of cain you'd probably think.

1417
01:34:11,900 --> 01:34:15,059
Speaker 2: It was a bad, mark it's a bad guy. BUT

1418
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:17,900
Speaker 2: it's a good mark i think. That's, what got people

1419
01:34:17,979 --> 01:34:26,700
Speaker 2: confused okay and the last one Will be Here in.

1420
01:34:29,059 --> 01:34:29,259
Speaker 1: Thy.

1421
01:34:30,740 --> 01:34:42,340
Speaker 4: Spanish, mess, oh, THAT'S interesting yes yes yes i will

1422
01:34:42,380 --> 01:34:47,059
Speaker 4: repeat it when what what verses that it's not it's,

1423
01:34:47,059 --> 01:34:51,620
Speaker 4: not one, Fourteen, FOUR fourteen.

1424
01:34:52,180 --> 01:34:58,460
Speaker 2: It's okay yes I, know thank you for fourteen it

1425
01:34:58,580 --> 01:35:02,780
Speaker 2: says Uh. Can to speaking to god my punishment. Is.

1426
01:35:02,820 --> 01:35:05,300
Speaker 2: Too great to bear fourteen you have banished me, this

1427
01:35:05,380 --> 01:35:07,419
Speaker 2: DAY from the soul and i must avoid your presence

1428
01:35:07,420 --> 01:35:10,179
Speaker 2: and become. A restless wanderer on earth anyone who. Needs

1429
01:35:10,220 --> 01:35:13,380
Speaker 2: me may kill ME why does he say i Must

1430
01:35:13,420 --> 01:35:21,300
Speaker 2: avoid your presence when god did and say you? Have

1431
01:35:21,340 --> 01:35:23,900
Speaker 2: to avoid. My, presence that's your question well Read to you.

1432
01:35:23,939 --> 01:35:26,979
Speaker 2: WHAT t sarna writes here i must avoid your presence a,

1433
01:35:27,059 --> 01:35:30,420
Speaker 2: crime against another human Being. A simultaneous lisson against god

1434
01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:34,620
Speaker 2: the spiritual ties that unite man to his. Maker have

1435
01:35:34,740 --> 01:35:38,660
Speaker 2: become severely strained cain fears that He can no. LONGER

1436
01:35:38,700 --> 01:35:45,580
Speaker 2: receive god's providential care, i think that the sense the

1437
01:35:45,620 --> 01:35:49,300
Speaker 2: Primal sense of bonding with god that these the very,

1438
01:35:49,380 --> 01:35:52,780
Speaker 2: first generation of people Had at least speaking in, torah

1439
01:35:52,860 --> 01:35:56,900
Speaker 2: talk was so great and the severity of what he

1440
01:35:56,939 --> 01:36:00,220
Speaker 2: did was so bad that he was Too embarrassed. To

1441
01:36:00,300 --> 01:36:04,820
Speaker 2: remain in god's presence it's like you could all relate

1442
01:36:04,860 --> 01:36:07,979
Speaker 2: to that where you've done something so shameful you can't

1443
01:36:08,059 --> 01:36:12,099
Speaker 2: stay in. The presence of something, holy and in other

1444
01:36:12,140 --> 01:36:15,019
Speaker 2: words it's it's clear that he knows that he. Did

1445
01:36:15,019 --> 01:36:17,900
Speaker 2: a lot of bad. It's a very interesting thing, his

1446
01:36:18,019 --> 01:36:25,700
Speaker 2: reaction actually in. Thirteen it's, it's very interesting it says

1447
01:36:25,740 --> 01:36:29,139
Speaker 2: my punishment. Is too great to bear but Do you

1448
01:36:29,260 --> 01:36:32,939
Speaker 2: know that the hebrew can be translated my sin? Is

1449
01:36:32,979 --> 01:36:37,860
Speaker 2: too great to bear? Does anybody have my? SIN you

1450
01:36:37,900 --> 01:36:43,900
Speaker 2: have my sin i think frankly that it's incorrect to say.

1451
01:36:43,939 --> 01:36:46,620
Speaker 2: My Punishment is too great the, hebrew word is of.

1452
01:36:46,780 --> 01:36:51,580
Speaker 2: Owne which generally means sin that's a very powerful, thing

1453
01:36:51,660 --> 01:36:53,700
Speaker 2: for him to say my sin. Is too great to bear,

1454
01:36:53,740 --> 01:36:56,500
Speaker 2: and if he says that it becomes clear to you

1455
01:36:56,540 --> 01:36:58,220
Speaker 2: why he would think he Can no, Longer, be In

1456
01:36:58,260 --> 01:37:01,979
Speaker 2: god's Presence. GOD the holy of holies. I just kill

1457
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Speaker 2: the man i. Can't, stay in Your, presence Yes. Not,

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Speaker 2: an hebrew. The hebrew okay let's last. She sneaked in

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Speaker 2: another question she's saying that there are words for, hell

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Speaker 2: that really Mean, absence for Absence. From god not in

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Speaker 2: hebrew THAT'S what my answer When. I said not, in

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Speaker 2: hebrew first of all we Don't. Have a word for

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Speaker 2: hebrew The closest we, have is gehenna gayh non but

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Speaker 2: that's just, a place it or shol which, is just

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Speaker 2: the nether world but we don't. Have a word for

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Speaker 2: Hell maybe it's true in greek And Would, apply to

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Speaker 2: The new testament but in hebrew we, don't have it

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Speaker 2: that term. So it wouldn't mean, that for those of you.

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Speaker 2: Two final words. For, me three final words one if

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Speaker 2: you would like to Continue, this great adventure in genesis

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Speaker 2: stay in touch. With my office through outside either you

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Speaker 2: have the number or give us your number right. Out there.

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Speaker 2: three for those of you who have taken. THE whole

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