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Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro

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Speaker 1: of our republic. My call is to fight evil and

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Speaker 1: to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you

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Speaker 1: up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to

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Speaker 1: stop sending your kids to college. You should get married

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Speaker 1: as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

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Speaker 1: Go start at turning point. You would say college chapter.

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Speaker 1: and become an activist. I gave my life to the

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Speaker 1: Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made

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Speaker 1: in my life, and I encourage you to do the same.

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Speaker 1: Here I am Lord, Use me. Buckle up, everybody, Here

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Speaker 2: Good evening.

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Speaker 3: I'm Barry Weiss, editor in chief of CBS News, and

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Speaker 3: I want to thank you so much for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you why we're here. If you're watching

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Speaker 3: you know what I know, which is that we live

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Speaker 3: in a very divided country, a country where many people

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Speaker 3: And one of the goals of the new CBS News

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Speaker 2: I can make one promise to.

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Speaker 3: You, and it's this, you will not agree with everything

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Speaker 2: And that brings me right to tonight's guests, Erica Kirk.

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Speaker 3: Three months ago, Erica Kirk's husband Charlie, was assassinated on

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Speaker 2: To others, he was heroic. What is indisputable is that.

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Speaker 3: He transformed the American rite in the twenty first century.

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Speaker 3: He did it through an organization called Turning Point USA,

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Speaker 3: Charlie's murder was not an isolated tragedy, and tonight in

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Speaker 4: I pray because that is what is so wrong.

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Speaker 5: The internet in this world has dehumanized us. My husband

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Speaker 7: at least in rare cases. What's your response to those

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Speaker 5: In particular, well for the people who say that my

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Speaker 4: My husband never incited violence. He never once.

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Speaker 5: Said go after them because they're saying XYZ and they

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Speaker 4: That's interesting. I never thought of that. What have you

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Speaker 4: Violence, usually one sided. I'm not going to go there.

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Speaker 5: But you know what's so interesting about my husband's book,

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Speaker 5: It literally says, stop, in the name of God, stop,

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Speaker 4: Stop.

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Speaker 5: And what he knew in that book was not just

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Speaker 5: You cannot communicate with someone if you're not at peace

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Speaker 5: with yourself. So he went on campus talking to a kid.

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Speaker 5: They're screaming at him, screaming. Does he scream back?

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Speaker 5: Once he sits there, and you know what, he's thinking

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Speaker 5: it's in that book. Maybe you need to take a

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Speaker 4: That's my thought on that.

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Speaker 2: He said, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be

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Speaker 5: Read, Love for everyone to be able to watch the

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Speaker 5: Turning Point USA. The first statement meant about guns and shooting.

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Speaker 4: He's not. He is a thought leader and he was

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Speaker 5: So that's fine if you want to take words out

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Speaker 3: Does it bother you that people are picking out those

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Speaker 5: You're not having a conversation, You're having a fifteen second

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Speaker 3: As you know, the last person that Charlie ever spoke

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Speaker 4: Hi there, Erica.

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Speaker 8: I want to tell you how much I appreciate your

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Speaker 8: continue to decry them. But any good faith effort to

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Speaker 4: I appreciate your question.

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Speaker 5: You know, my heart, why would I ever say yes,

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Speaker 4: We have to look in the mirror.

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Speaker 5: When you become a father, when you become a mother,

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Speaker 4: That's where we're at.

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Speaker 3: Do you think our political leaders have a responsibility to

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Speaker 5: Well, I think everyone has a responsibility to do that,

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Speaker 4: I'm not in control of other people.

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Speaker 3: Bob Milgram is the father of Sarah Milgram. Sarah was

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Speaker 9: Thank you, Barry, Hello, Erica. Just as our family could

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Speaker 9: was killed because of anti Semitism, hate against Jews, and

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir. First of all, I'm so sorry you and

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Speaker 5: Very small club painful, but you're in good company and

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Speaker 5: Charlie and I have always been very clear on our

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Speaker 5: what healing factor comes out of hating Jewish people, What

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Speaker 4: Nothing? Nothing. Charlie always would say very clearly, jew hate

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Speaker 5: Twice together, and to be able to walk in the

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Speaker 4: How could you hate the Jewish people?

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Speaker 10: Why?

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Speaker 4: Because you need to fulfill conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 5: I'm wrapped and people say I'm a part of conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 4: All the time. It's sick and it needs to stop.

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Speaker 5: We are human. No one is perfect. No Christian is perfect,

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Speaker 5: sorry what happened to your daughter. I pray that does

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Speaker 5: And you cannot separate the Old Testament from the New Testament.

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Speaker 4: You cannot. You cannot, Bob, Do you want to ask

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Speaker 9: Is there anything specific that Turning Point can do to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we are on all of our college campus

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Speaker 5: We need everyone in on that, Bob.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about discernment, okay, being able to

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Speaker 3: people say, you're actually a Masad agent sitting in front

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Speaker 3: Whatever that means they say that the rings on your fingers,

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Speaker 5: My kids and your kid's initials, my wedding band, the

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Speaker 3: They symbolize some kind of secret plot. There's also a

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Speaker 5: This is the first time that we have seen evil

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Speaker 5: on display, where we have social media at our fingertips.

444
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 5: Something so evil that happened. People are wanting answers immediately.

445
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 5: They are wanting to figure out how to wrap their

446
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Speaker 5: mind around this.

447
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Speaker 4: Egyptian planes do Let's.

448
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Speaker 3: Just yeah, the Egyptian Do you believe that Tyler Robinson

449
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Speaker 3: murdered your Yes?

450
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: I do.

451
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Speaker 3: Why do you think it is so hard for so

452
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Speaker 3: many people to believe that reality.

453
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 4: Because it's too simple.

454
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 5: Again, everyone always has to think there's more to the story.

455
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes there's not.

456
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: I've seen the autopsy report, I've seen our case pull together.

457
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 4: I've been in constant contact with.

458
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Speaker 5: Our lawyers, are the prosecuting team.

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Speaker 4: I've seen it all. And let me tell you this

460
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Speaker 4: why in the world.

461
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Speaker 5: Why should we, prior to the trial lay all of

462
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Speaker 5: our hands and cards on the table for the defense

463
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 5: team to see to somehow then I don't even know

464
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Speaker 5: what they would do with it. But what I will say,

465
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Speaker 5: and I want to get on the Egyptian plane thing

466
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Speaker 5: take a flight on that for a second. What I

467
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Speaker 5: will say is what I'm worried about, and I'm fascinated

468
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Speaker 5: just from a legal standpoint, to see how the United

469
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Speaker 5: Healthcare try pans out. And I say that because this

470
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Speaker 5: is the first time where we are seeing the implications.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about. Luigi MANGIONI correct.

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Speaker 5: I'd prefer never to say any of their names. They

473
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Speaker 5: do not even deserve the ounce of oxygen and breath

474
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Speaker 5: out of my body.

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Speaker 4: But what I mean is it's.

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Speaker 5: Fascinating to see how social media will impact that core case,

477
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 5: just how it might impact mine.

478
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Speaker 4: And that is he's not going to.

479
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Speaker 2: Get a fair trial.

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Speaker 5: Are I'm nervous that there could be They'll they'll say

481
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Speaker 5: we can't find a fair jury, like they're going to

482
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Speaker 5: taint the jury pool.

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Speaker 3: And in that case, that's how widespread you think these

484
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Speaker 3: conspiracies have gone. Yes, that's how mainstream they become. Okay,

485
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Speaker 3: Egyptian planes.

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Speaker 2: You want to have that webs and planes.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I was pregnant for ninety percent of those trips.

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Speaker 5: Mind you, I've never all those places they said I've travel.

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Speaker 4: I've never been. I mean, i've been, but I'm not

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Speaker 4: within those dates that they've But you even said you

491
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Speaker 4: need to know. But this is yeah, But I do.

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Speaker 5: I do on that one only because only because from

493
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 5: a humor standpoint. Humor standpoint, I intentionally when I was

494
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Speaker 5: pregnant hid not because I was embarrassed, not.

495
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Speaker 4: Because I didn't want anyone.

496
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Speaker 5: Yes, we did keep it very private, but because it

497
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Speaker 5: was a moment very sacred. I was growing a human

498
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Speaker 5: inside of me, my baby. The world that Charlie and

499
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Speaker 5: I live in is very toxic at times, and when

500
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Speaker 5: you are growing a beautiful child in you, I don't

501
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Speaker 5: want to be around it. I want to enjoy eating

502
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Speaker 5: my in and out burger and my hot Fudge Sunday.

503
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Speaker 5: That's what I want to do. I'm pregnant and I

504
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 5: have nine months to own it. You really think I'm

505
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Speaker 5: going to be on an Egyptian plane while I am

506
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Speaker 5: wanting to be with my in and out Burger and

507
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 5: my chocolate milkshake. No, I'm not so. If you want

508
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 5: to go through my flight log, go right ahead. It's

509
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 5: very boring you say I was here on this date.

510
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 5: I have a photo on my phone to prove that

511
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 5: I actually was in the hospital because I was having contractions.

512
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 4: So game on the pup the podcast.

513
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Speaker 3: Are Candace Owens Okay, at one time a friend of Charlie's,

514
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: at one time an employee of Turning Point. She has

515
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Speaker 3: been one of the main peddlers of these conspiracies and

516
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: she is making a huge amount.

517
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Speaker 2: Of money on it.

518
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: She is building her business off of these lies. What

519
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: do you want to say to her and the other

520
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: people that are putting these lies out into the world

521
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Speaker 3: right now?

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Speaker 4: Stop? That's it. That's all I have to say. Stop. Okay.

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Speaker 3: The next question comes from a person who may be

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Speaker 3: familiar to you, Erica, because Charlie interviewed him for his

525
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Speaker 3: show last August.

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Speaker 2: Rob Henderson to you, thank you, Berry, and thank you Erica.

527
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Speaker 11: During that discussion with Charlie, neither of us knew that

528
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 11: was going to be the last long form interview he

529
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 11: would ever conduct. Because his life was cut short by

530
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Speaker 11: the actions of a very disturbed young man As someone

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Speaker 11: who admired Charlie's ability to offer young people a productive

532
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Speaker 11: and optimistic path, I wanted to ask, how should the

533
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Speaker 11: conservative movement think about cultivating leaders and role models for

534
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Speaker 11: young men and how can it continue offering them a

535
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Speaker 11: constructive alternative to the toxic currents Charlie so astutely criticized.

536
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Speaker 4: It's a great question.

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Speaker 5: First of all, your interview was amazing, so one of

538
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 5: my favorite ones to look back on. Charlie connected with

539
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 5: you very well, and I can always tell when he

540
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 5: does on his show.

541
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Speaker 4: I've always watched his show, and I could always.

542
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 5: Tell because his questions and his engagement would shift. He

543
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 5: always loved, He loved that conversation with you. As the

544
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Speaker 5: CEO of Turning, it is my responsibility to make sure

545
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 5: that our youth is in good hands. Our chapter leaders

546
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 5: are amazing, and there's some leaders within those groups. You

547
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 5: guys have not even seen or heard about yet, but

548
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: you will one day and you'll be blown away because

549
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 5: they are amazing kids. We had two of them at

550
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Speaker 5: our Galla event this weekend and they spoke in front

551
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Speaker 5: of our donors. Is the first time I ever met them.

552
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 5: Phenomenal kids. Not only are they smart, they have a heart.

553
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 5: Not only do they have a heart, they can understand

554
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Speaker 5: and see the gen Z landscape in a way that

555
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Speaker 5: we can't.

556
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Speaker 4: And from a peer to.

557
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Speaker 5: Peer communication level, they're phenomenal. So I personally having a

558
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Speaker 5: front row seat to the rising generation, the courageous generation,

559
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 5: they're amazing. Yes there are bad apples. Millennials, we got

560
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 5: them too, So do the baby boomers, so.

561
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Speaker 4: Does Gen X. No one's escaping the bad apples. It's

562
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 4: just the batch.

563
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 5: But it is our responsibility, my responsibility, our team's responsibility.

564
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Speaker 4: To make sure.

565
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Speaker 5: That our chapters are cultivating those leaders. So when they

566
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Speaker 5: leave high school and they decide not to go to college,

567
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Speaker 5: they're in the workforce being incredible people and incredible leaders.

568
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Speaker 4: They might not be.

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Speaker 5: Influencers, not everyone's meant to. Everyone plays a very specific role,

570
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Speaker 5: but they'll be someone in something very important and they'll

571
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 5: plant seeds and that's all you have to do is

572
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 5: plant the seed and then let truth grow from there.

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Speaker 5: But thank you again for the time that you spent

574
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Speaker 5: with my husband on that on that final conversation.

575
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Speaker 4: It meant a lot to him. It means a lot

576
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Speaker 4: to me to be able to have that to show

577
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 4: my babies one day.

578
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: Thanks Bob, Charlie's last book. It wasn't about politics, it

579
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: wasn't about policy. It was about the Jewish Sabbath, which

580
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: he kept for twenty five hours, starting sundown on Friday

581
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Speaker 3: night through sundown on Saturday night. What made Charlie so

582
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Speaker 3: passionate about this subject.

583
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 5: He was on the verge of burnout, and he thought

584
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 5: to himself, what can I be doing? And he always

585
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 5: loved the Ten Commandments, and then he saw it honoring

586
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Speaker 5: the Sabbath, and he realized that if you don't this

587
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 5: one commandment, this one, if you don't honor it, you're

588
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: the one who misses out on the gift, not God.

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Speaker 4: Are you keeping it? I'm trying my best.

590
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: Is it helped it?

591
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: Is I feel close to him.

592
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 5: I break it apart, though, so instead of a full

593
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 5: twenty fourth straight, I'll break it apart only because my

594
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 5: mom's sick and I need to be available because i'm

595
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 5: her medical power of attorney, so I need to be

596
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 5: available if something happens, and.

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Speaker 9: So I.

598
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 5: Make it what works for me. But that's what was

599
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 5: so beautiful about that. Charlie wasn't legalistic about it. He's like,

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00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 5: make it your own Erica.

601
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Speaker 3: You have made a lot of comments that a lot

602
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Speaker 3: of people have noticed about women, suggesting, you know, suggesting

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Speaker 3: that women should get married young, that they should have

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Speaker 3: children young, that they should prioritize family over their careers.

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Speaker 3: And at the same time you are now doing both.

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Speaker 3: You now have two young children, I think, both under

607
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Speaker 3: the age of three. You're the CEO and chairwoman of

608
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Speaker 3: Turning Point Square. That for us, some people look at

609
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Speaker 3: you and say, you know, she's trying to make it

610
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: a binary choice to be a trad wife for the

611
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: girl boss, but look at her, she's having both.

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00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 5: Say to that, right, well, I didn't ask for this.

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Speaker 5: It's a obviously, it's a blessing that I viewed as

614
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 5: a blessing. It's a duty to my husband. But I

615
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 5: was very happy being a stay at home mom. There's

616
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 5: nothing wrong with being a mother. There's actually more beautiful

617
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 5: and emotional and powerful job title, if you will, being

618
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Speaker 5: a mother. And for me, I experienced what it was

619
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Speaker 5: like living in New York. It's living that boss babe culture.

620
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Speaker 5: But when I met Charlie and we had our babies,

621
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Speaker 5: I was in it.

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Speaker 4: That was all hands on deck. I would take that

623
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Speaker 4: world in a heartbeat always.

624
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 5: But you know what, there was never there was never

625
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 5: any daylight between Charlie and I and his mission was

626
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Speaker 5: my mission. So stepping into this role is not so

627
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 5: much a job title. This is not a nine to

628
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 5: five for me. This is something that I'm very passionate

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Speaker 5: about because it's still a remaining, breathing version of my husband.

630
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 5: This turning point, ussay. So this organization is not just

631
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 5: a company to me, and the staff and employees are

632
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 5: not staff and employees or family, and so for me,

633
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 5: it's a lot different and a lot deeper than a career.

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Speaker 4: This is very personal, but yes it is hard.

635
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Speaker 5: But at the same day, it takes a village, and

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Speaker 5: I have one heck of a village.

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Speaker 3: We have a woman here that has a question perfectly

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Speaker 3: calibrated to this part of our conversation. I want to

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Speaker 3: hand it over to Isabella Regi.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, and Erica, you and your family are in

641
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 12: my prayers.

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00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 12: I'm a twenty six year old Christian woman living in

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Speaker 12: New York City. I would like to stay here long term,

645
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Speaker 12: but I wonder whether it's sustainable. Do you believe there's

646
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Speaker 12: a place for women like myself in modern cities who

647
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 12: care about having a career but also marrying a like

648
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Speaker 12: minded Christian conservative man.

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00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, so it just depends on where you're looking.

650
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Speaker 5: You know, if you're on the apps, I don't know

651
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Speaker 5: if you're on the apps, I don't know if I'm

652
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 5: not going to ask you your personal journey. But what

653
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 5: I will say is when I lived out here, I

654
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 5: was here for five years. I never dated here because

655
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 5: I saw vicariously through my roommate how terrible it was.

656
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 5: Somehow getting drinks was the replacement of having coffee and breakfast.

657
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Speaker 5: I personally would rather have coffee or brunch with someone

658
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 5: than going I just I don't drink. I find it unproductive.

659
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 5: Not because I'm holier than whatever.

660
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Speaker 4: That's not. I just don't operate that way.

661
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Speaker 5: But I always thought it was very strange how she

662
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 5: would go to drinks with one guy and then go

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Speaker 5: to dinner with another.

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Speaker 4: So it goes twofold here.

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Speaker 5: So if you're expecting to marry someone that I was

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Speaker 5: blessed with, like a Charlie, you have to be the

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Speaker 5: type of woman that will attract a Charlie.

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Speaker 4: Are you going to church? Are you going to Bible study?

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Speaker 5: Did you tell your pastor that you are ready for

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Speaker 5: the Lord to bring into your life, the man that

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Speaker 5: you've been praying for. You yourself need to be prepared

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Speaker 5: for that man, and only you will know how to

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Speaker 5: do that.

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Speaker 4: Does that mean staying out and going out with the girls.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying you sit on your couch and all

676
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Speaker 5: of a sudden he's gonna knock on your door and

677
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Speaker 5: be like.

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Speaker 4: Honey, let's rendezvous. Like that's not how it happens. It's not. Granted,

679
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Speaker 4: my situation was a little different. I went to do it.

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Speaker 5: You went to a job and literally, so this is

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Speaker 5: how good the Lord is. He knew that because I

682
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Speaker 5: was not dating in New York City. He knew that.

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Speaker 5: In order for me to know that that was my man,

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Speaker 5: he had to blanket Charlie as a job interview, because

685
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Speaker 5: if that went in no joke, if he came to

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Speaker 5: me and said, hey, let's go on a day to

687
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Speaker 5: Bills Burger's, I'd be like, I am so sorry, I

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Speaker 5: thank you, but no, we're not doing this.

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Speaker 4: That was my mindset. I was not in that headspace.

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Speaker 4: I just wasn't.

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Speaker 5: But God will work in incredible ways when you surrender

692
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Speaker 5: the pen for him to write your life story and

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Speaker 5: when you know that, Look, if I remain in the

694
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Speaker 5: jet stream of God's will, he will provide for me

695
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Speaker 5: in ways I cannot even imagine.

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Speaker 4: And that is my prayer for you.

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Speaker 5: My prayer for you is to remain open and to

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Speaker 5: remain prayerful and to let.

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Speaker 4: People around you know, old school style.

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Speaker 5: I'm ready and I'm looking to get married and having

701
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Speaker 5: a family. You can always have your career. Being able

702
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 5: to have a family, truly is a very limited, short,

703
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 5: short window you can start your career if you have

704
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 5: people and it's amazing business, have other people run it.

705
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 5: You can still manage it, you can still pour into it.

706
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Speaker 5: But you have your babies. And then once your babies

707
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 5: are grown and the nest is empty, go back to

708
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Speaker 5: your career.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with that.

710
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Speaker 5: If you don't have a career, you have your babies,

711
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 5: the Lord's going to inspire something inside of you that

712
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Speaker 5: you're like, you know what, there's a problem. I have

713
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Speaker 5: a solution. How many baby companies have been born out

714
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Speaker 5: of moms, you know, like the little carrier seat or

715
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 5: a stroller.

716
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Speaker 4: Or we live for that Carrier's right, one hundred percent.

717
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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to plug them for like some things.

718
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Speaker 5: So I'm just trying not to even say the name,

719
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Speaker 5: but you understand my sentiment is that there's something really

720
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Speaker 5: special and beautiful about making sure that you are the

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Speaker 5: woman that your future husband deserves, and vice versa.

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Speaker 4: Do not settle.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Isabella.

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Speaker 3: Up next, the emotional moment that Erica Kirk forgave her

725
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Speaker 3: husband's alleged murderer.

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Speaker 13: I forgive him.

727
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Speaker 4: I forgive him because it was what christ did and

728
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Speaker 4: is what Charlie would do.

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Speaker 3: Erica, that moment that we just watched was unforgettable. I

730
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Speaker 3: was one of millions of people across the world that

731
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Speaker 3: watched you get up on that stage and forgive the

732
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Speaker 3: man who murdered your husband. And I think a lot

733
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Speaker 3: of people looked at it and thought, this is incomprehensible.

734
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Speaker 3: It's almost baffling, And I want you to speak to

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Speaker 3: those who are unable to understand really that act of grace.

736
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Speaker 3: How is it possible that you can forgive the person

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Speaker 3: that murdered your husband.

738
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Speaker 5: I'm not forgetting what he did. I'm not condoning what

739
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 5: he did. What he did is sick and evil, so

740
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Speaker 5: sick and evil. What I am doing is releasing myself

741
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Speaker 5: from the enemy's hands where he could have a foothold

742
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Speaker 5: in me and he could be able to Just like

743
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Speaker 5: I said earlier, you have a choice. Am I going

744
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Speaker 5: to take that moment? And I will never say anything

745
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Speaker 5: I don't mean. I really prayed on that moment that

746
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 5: that was a game time decision. I'll never say what

747
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 5: I don't mean. But am I going to take that

748
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Speaker 5: moment to say, rally the troops, burn the city down,

749
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Speaker 5: march in the streets.

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Speaker 4: Or am I going to take that moment and unleash.

751
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Speaker 5: Something like we talked about, even greater, more powerful, and

752
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 5: say it's a revival, and let that unleash and let

753
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Speaker 5: the Lord use it in ways that no one else

754
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Speaker 5: could have ever imagined.

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Speaker 3: If you were to meet the man I won't name

756
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Speaker 3: him again, accused of murdering your husband, Do you know

757
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 3: what you would say to him?

758
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Speaker 4: Nothing? He would say nothing. I have nothing to say

759
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Speaker 4: to you nothing.

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Speaker 3: Is there a difference, Erica, between forgiving someone in a

761
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Speaker 3: religious and spiritual sense, but so wanting justice for them

762
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Speaker 3: here on earth?

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Speaker 5: No, of course, But we serve a just God, and

764
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Speaker 5: I rest easy in knowing that he's sovereign. But He's just,

765
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Speaker 5: and so let the Lord handle that.

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Speaker 3: I want to bring in our final audience question for tonight,

767
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Speaker 3: I want to turn it over to Joe LaVoi.

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Speaker 4: Hi, thank you.

769
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Speaker 14: Your faith in this process has been inspiring, and that

770
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Speaker 14: inspires this question.

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Speaker 5: How are you able to trust God amidst unfair and

772
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Speaker 5: immense suffering. One of my favorite books in the Bible

773
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Speaker 5: is the Book of Job. And what's so powerful about

774
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 5: that book is that you read it and you go

775
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 5: along and you say, how could bad things happen to

776
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 5: good people? But what happens at the end of that

777
00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: book God does restore. He does even more so than

778
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Speaker 5: Job had prior. But when did that happen? It happened

779
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Speaker 5: when Job prayed for his friends, even though they were

780
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Speaker 5: against him, even though there.

781
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Speaker 4: Was all this drama, he prayed for his friends. You

782
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 4: can call him enemies.

783
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Speaker 5: That's not saying, oh, Lord, my enemy is like no,

784
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 5: there's boldness in being able to say, Lord, do what

785
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Speaker 5: only you can do.

786
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Speaker 4: And the Lord restored what Job had lost. That's how.

787
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Speaker 3: We just finished our broadcast town hall with Erica Kirk,

788
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Speaker 3: and she has graciously given us a little bit more

789
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Speaker 3: time to take a few more audience questions.

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Speaker 2: Erica, thank you so so much.

791
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Speaker 3: I want to start with Alex Paul Wilpee, Alex, take

792
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: it away.

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Speaker 14: Hi Bary Erica. My question is from someone coming back to,

794
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Speaker 14: you know, their faith after what happened, especially to Charlie.

795
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 14: So I was raised Christian and then in my young

796
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 14: adult life, say, high school, college, I kind of fell

797
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 14: off in terms of, you know, practicing, never stop believing.

798
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 14: But someone who you know, just kind of stopped going

799
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 14: to church and whatnot after the horrible events of what

800
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Speaker 14: happened to Charlie. That was kind of the moment for

801
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 14: me that really sparked my faith to kind of start

802
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 14: up again. And since then, I've been attending church almost

803
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 14: every Sunday, and I've started to read the Bible again

804
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 14: as part of that. I just wanted to ask you,

805
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 14: do you have any advice for someone who's you know,

806
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 14: reconnecting with God, reconnecting with their faith as to how

807
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 14: to deepen that relationship and kind of strengthen that along

808
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 14: their journey?

809
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Speaker 4: Of course, is did you recently just buy a Bible.

810
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Speaker 5: I'm just curious because I've known a lot of people

811
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Speaker 5: who just bought their Bible for the first time or bought.

812
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Speaker 4: A new one that did curious, I did, Yes, is

813
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Speaker 4: it your first one? It is? I love it. I'm

814
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Speaker 4: very proud of you. God is proud of you. I

815
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Speaker 4: want to encourage you to take a minute, whether that's

816
00:47:59,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 4: it morning.

817
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 5: I was a morning person, Charlie was a night person

818
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 5: for this, So there's no right answer. There's some people

819
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 5: who just do it during the middle of the day

820
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 5: to read scripture.

821
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Speaker 4: Where you can do it all.

822
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Speaker 5: Day, but make sure you carve out alone time with

823
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 5: the Lord to journal. I personally, personally write to God

824
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 5: after I read scripture. You can have a devotional and

825
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: your Bible alongside it, but don't use a devotional to

826
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 5: replace your Bible. They should compliment each other. But take

827
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 5: some time to dig a little bit deeper when you're reading.

828
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Speaker 5: If you find something that catches your interest, pause you.

829
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Speaker 4: Don't force yourself to read a full chapter.

830
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 5: If there's a word or something that triggers in your soul,

831
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Speaker 5: stay on that, meditate on it. God's trying to reach

832
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 5: you in something and even too. What's really cool. What

833
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 5: I love is to find a way a commentary. Personally,

834
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Speaker 5: I love Matthew Henry. If you can find a commentary

835
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Speaker 5: that you love. Dive deeper into the words, into further

836
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 5: of what that meant in context form. Don't take it

837
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 5: out of context, but just dig deeper. Charlie loved doing

838
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Speaker 5: that at night. He had a long day, but then

839
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 5: for him to wind his brain down at night, he

840
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 5: opened up his Bible and he would just read and

841
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 5: he would pray and meditate. And you know what he

842
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 5: did before bed every single night as he would breathe.

843
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 5: He didn't listen to music. He just laid there with

844
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 5: his eyes closed and he really just did those deep,

845
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 5: deep belly breaths and just breathed and just breathed. So

846
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Speaker 5: whatever that alone time looks for, you, make it personal

847
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 5: because it's your time with the Lord.

848
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, God bless you. Take our next question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can you introduce yourself?

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Speaker 15: Hello, miss Kirk. My name is Marco Munone. I'm a

851
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Speaker 15: student at Fordham University. Thank you for your time. As

852
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Speaker 15: you take the helm of Turning Point USA, what is

853
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 15: the single most important strategic change you plan to implement

854
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Speaker 15: to engage young voters like myself on college campuses moving forward.

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Speaker 4: It's a great question.

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Speaker 5: Before Charlie was murdered, he was very intentional about making

857
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Speaker 5: sure that I'm going to go the turning point action

858
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 5: route right now, saying that just in case anyone tries

859
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 5: to conflate the two turning point action side. Charlie from

860
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 5: the start, when he started the organization was clipboard and

861
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 5: tennis shoes. He knew the importance of getting out there

862
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 5: knocking on doors, signing up people to vote, chasing ballots.

863
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 5: He loved that work and he wanted to inspire that

864
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Speaker 5: to the students as well.

865
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Speaker 4: Now what we're doing, there's a lot of things.

866
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Speaker 5: It's funny because some people think, oh, when a CEO

867
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 5: comes in, things go crazy, they have to change.

868
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 4: They don't have to change. If it's not broken, you

869
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Speaker 4: don't have to fix it.

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Speaker 5: Charlie intentionally picked phenomenal leaders in the organization and we're

871
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Speaker 5: in good hands and everyone is very mission focused. And

872
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 5: when it comes to the students and elections and getting

873
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 5: ready to vote, we're still going to do what Charlie did.

874
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Speaker 5: We're still going to be on campus, We're still going

875
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 5: to be encouraging you guys, We're still.

876
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: Going to be a resource for you.

877
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 5: And so yes, midterms, they might get a little messy,

878
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 5: but we're ready for it. And we're mission driven for it,

879
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 5: and I hope that you'll be a part of it

880
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 5: with us.

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Speaker 3: Charlie expressed support for JD Vance in twenty eight before

882
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Speaker 3: he died.

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00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 5: How about you, Well, yes, I mean I'm following in

884
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Speaker 5: my husband's footsteps to a lot of extent. But again,

885
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 5: I will express this sentiment very clearly. I watched my husband,

886
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 5: with his blood, sweat and tears, deliver that youth vote

887
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 5: for President Trump, and I am just let me please

888
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 5: just basket mat and enjoy that before we start jumping

889
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 5: to twenty eight. I would really just like to enjoy

890
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 5: that hard work paid.

891
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: Off fair enough?

892
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Speaker 2: Eric, can we have Oh?

893
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Speaker 4: Sorry, no, Michael?

894
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Speaker 2: Hi?

895
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Speaker 4: How are you very good? How are you good? To

896
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 4: see you? I wanted to ask.

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Speaker 10: There's a lot of young people in the audience here,

898
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Speaker 10: a lot of college students, and sometimes in college it

899
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Speaker 10: feels like the walls are caving in, whether that be

900
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Speaker 10: with relationships, professors who give us a hard time, and

901
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 10: anything else the college students experience. What guidance do you

902
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 10: have for us when the walls start to feel like

903
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 10: they're caving in and there's not a light at the

904
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Speaker 10: end of the tunnel.

905
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 5: Don't view them as they're caving in view them that yes,

906
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 5: they can fall this way, but they can actually fall

907
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 5: this way. Pressure is good for you, gives you a backbone.

908
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 5: Don't run from it. There's something that's really interesting in nature.

909
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Speaker 5: Someone told me this a long time ago, years ago.

910
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Speaker 5: I'm talking like ten years ago. They told me this,

911
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 5: but it stuck with me forever.

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Speaker 4: They said that.

913
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Speaker 5: A male lion when they're hunting, the male lion is

914
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Speaker 5: not the hunter, it's the female. But what the male

915
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Speaker 5: does is the male comes around this way and does it.

916
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 4: Very loud roar, which scares the prey.

917
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Speaker 5: Which direction the opposite direction, and who's on the opposite

918
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Speaker 5: side the female. But instead, if the prey knew that

919
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 5: while that lion was roaring, to run towards that roar,

920
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Speaker 5: and they wouldn't be eaten because they wouldn't turn around

921
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Speaker 5: the other way, they'd escape. So if there's any encouragement there,

922
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Speaker 5: I would just run towards that roar and know that

923
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Speaker 5: the Lord's got your back.

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Speaker 4: I hope that helps. Thank you, God, bless you.

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Speaker 5: Let's take our next question from Eric the Great, Eric

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Speaker 5: the Taxes.

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Speaker 4: Eric. For people who don't know who you are, can

928
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Speaker 4: you introduce yourself.

929
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Speaker 16: I believe my name is Eric ma Taxis. I host

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Speaker 16: something called Socrates in the city. I've written many books,

931
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Speaker 16: but most importantly identify as a follower of Jesus. And

932
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Speaker 16: I loved Charlie so much. I know you loved you

933
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Speaker 16: that just about every time I saw him might say

934
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Speaker 16: I love you, Charlie, and I knew it would make

935
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Speaker 16: him uncomfortable, and I loved that.

936
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Speaker 3: I know that he's like, I'm not gay, not that

937
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Speaker 3: there's anything wrong with that, not that there's.

938
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Speaker 16: Anything wrong with that, but.

939
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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 16: I really loved, loved, loved Charlie. But I want to

941
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Speaker 16: ask you a question, Erica, since I'm here to ask

942
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Speaker 16: you a question. When you said, and I was at

943
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Speaker 16: the memorial service, that you forgave the man that murdered Charlie,

944
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Speaker 16: I knew what you were.

945
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Speaker 4: Saying, Yes you did.

946
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Speaker 16: But what you said, I know is utterly incomprehensible, and

947
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Speaker 16: rightly so. To most people, they would say, what in

948
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 16: the world, what are you even saying? What does that mean?

949
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Speaker 16: And I think I would say, that's what separates the

950
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Speaker 16: sheep from the goats, that to understand what that means,

951
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Speaker 16: that you have been forgiven and because you've been forgiven,

952
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Speaker 16: you can forgive and what that means, that to me

953
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Speaker 16: is just the most powerful evidence for Christian faith. And

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Speaker 16: I said when you when you asked that, when you

955
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Speaker 16: said that, I thought, that's like dropping a hand grenade

956
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Speaker 16: into the bowels of hell. It's the most powerful thing.

957
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Speaker 16: It's evidence for God. That's it's incomprehensible. But I say

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00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 16: all that just because I just.

959
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 4: Want to ask you.

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Speaker 16: I'm not familiar with your story. I came to Jesus

961
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Speaker 16: in a dream round my twenty fifth birthday was utterly miraculous.

962
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Speaker 16: It wasn't an intellectual journey for me. What is your

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Speaker 16: At what point did you come to the kind of

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Speaker 16: a faith that makes it possible for you to say

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Speaker 16: what you said?

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Speaker 4: That's a great question.

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Speaker 5: I so I was raised Catholic, My mom was Catholic,

968
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Speaker 5: come from a very Catholic family.

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Speaker 4: Half Italian, Yeah, just very Catholic. And yeah there's an

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Speaker 4: intersect a Christian you know.

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Speaker 5: And but you know what's so interesting about when when

972
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Speaker 5: I was growing up is that my mom actually I

973
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Speaker 5: didn't have a Bible growing up. It was my mom

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Speaker 5: that was praying. I saw her praying a lot and

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Speaker 5: there was one moment in my life I must have

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Speaker 5: been I want to say I was probably seven. We

977
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Speaker 5: had just moved to Arizona. It was just me and her.

978
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Speaker 5: I was very little, and.

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Speaker 4: I saw her. She was just about she just started

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Speaker 4: her company, and I was in the pew with her,

981
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Speaker 4: and I saw her take out her check book and

982
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Speaker 4: I started watching her write a check.

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Speaker 5: Mind you at seven and when you and you know

984
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Speaker 5: this as a mom, they watch everything.

985
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Speaker 4: Kids see everything, and they hear everything. There's sponges.

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Speaker 5: So I knew how hard my mom worked for that

987
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Speaker 5: dollar because I had to. I went to the Boys

988
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Speaker 5: and Girls Club after school. I was the last one

989
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Speaker 5: to be picked up every single day because she was

990
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Speaker 5: at the office. I saw how hard she worked for

991
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Speaker 5: that paycheck. So when I would see her write the

992
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Speaker 5: amount that she wrote and put that in the offering

993
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Speaker 5: bin as it came around, I grabbed her hand. She

994
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Speaker 5: looked at me and she said, don't you dare I said, Mom,

995
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Speaker 5: we can't afford that she goes.

996
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Speaker 4: Baby. The Lord has blessed us in ways that.

997
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Speaker 6: The Lord has blessed us in ways that you can't

998
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Speaker 6: even imagine and that you can't even see.

999
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: But this is the Lord's money.

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00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 5: He has blessed us to be a blessing, so you

1001
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Speaker 5: honor him. And as I grew up, you know, I

1002
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Speaker 5: eventually got that Bible and full on display. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I competed in a pageant. I honestly did not like

1004
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 5: the pageant world. I I didn't like the pride that

1005
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Speaker 5: came with that. It's so I never talked about it.

1006
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Speaker 5: And during that season of my life, I got a Bible.

1007
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Speaker 5: I found the Bible that my basketball coach gave me

1008
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 5: when I left to go to college, and I read

1009
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 5: it and it was beautiful. And from there I had

1010
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 5: a pastor's wife who was precious from a non denominational

1011
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 5: church pour into me and it changed my life. And

1012
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Speaker 5: I got to tell you, when you surrender the Lord,

1013
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 5: and you literally strip your clothes metaphorically not to be

1014
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 5: clipped out of context, metaphorically, you tear that sackcloth and

1015
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 5: you say, Lord, use me, take the pride, take anything,

1016
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 5: take all of this trash out of my heart.

1017
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 4: I don't want it. I want you.

1018
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 5: And when you do that, the Lord will put people

1019
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 5: in your life that will pour into you and that

1020
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 5: will mentor to you.

1021
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 4: And that's what happened to me.

1022
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 5: So I had the background in being Catholic, I had

1023
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 5: the new experience of being a non denominational Christian.

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Speaker 4: Blended those together and here I am. Thanks Eric, God

1025
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 4: bless you. We love you. Eric, You're a tremendous blessing.

1026
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 4: We love you.

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00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: And our last question.

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Speaker 17: Please, hello, thank you so much for the time today.

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01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 17: I wanted to ask about something that is of great

1030
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 17: interest to me, which is the vibe shift. This has

1031
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 17: been talked about for a couple of years now. I'm

1032
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 17: sorry you said what the vibe shift?

1033
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 4: Vibe?

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01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 17: Yes, especially given the re entrance of faith into the

1035
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 17: public square, which I think has never been on display

1036
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 17: more than that your husband's memorial. I would love to

1037
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 17: get your take on what it feels like, what it's

1038
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 17: like to watch Christianity and politics come together, especially through

1039
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 17: something that happened to your family.

1040
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Speaker 4: Can I just ask your name?

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 17: Yes, my name is Virginia Abram.

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01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 4: Thank you, Jinia, thank you. It's interesting because.

1043
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: Do we want to define the vibe shift?

1044
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1045
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: Do you want to put a little meat on that?

1046
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 4: Sure?

1047
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: Thanks to mean by it?

1048
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 17: So what I mean by the vibe shift is that

1050
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 17: over the past probably two years, and in response to

1051
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 17: the wokeism of the Biden administration, and even just the

1052
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 17: last ten years, there has been a shift back towards

1053
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 17: populism with Trump, and then also a return of religion,

1054
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 17: which we've seen lots of articles about the return of

1055
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 17: young men to church, and Charlie Kirk is often said

1056
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 17: in is often mentioned in the same breath as that.

1057
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 17: So I work for a magazine that's very interested in

1058
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 17: those first things, and I'd love to know what you

1059
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 17: think of this recombination of faith in politics.

1060
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's interesting.

1061
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 5: So Charlie used to say on campus and to anyone

1062
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 5: and everyone that he would start talking about liberty, and

1063
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 5: he would start talking about justice, and he would start

1064
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 5: talking about freedom, and people would want more, and they

1065
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 5: would want more. What's the source of that? And he

1066
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 5: would provide that. He would provide it. It's in the scriptures.

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01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 5: It's God. There's only one answer to those. Charlie lived

1068
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 5: his life and I lived my life in a way

1069
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 5: where com comes first and that bleeds into everything else.

1070
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Speaker 5: And I think when you live authentically, you're not trying

1071
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 5: to be someone else, but you truly live authentically and again,

1072
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 5: let the Lord use you. It shows on full display

1073
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 5: that if you want to make a difference in this world,

1074
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Speaker 5: you don't remove that very important piece and point. And

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Speaker 5: everyone saw the type of man that Charlie was and

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Speaker 5: it inspired.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people, as it should.

1078
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Speaker 5: But notice how when he was murdered, they didn't go

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Speaker 5: and grab a constitution.

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Speaker 4: They grabbed a Bible.

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Speaker 5: And once you get that Bible in your hands, the

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Speaker 5: constitution makes way more sense.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, and I want to thank you

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Speaker 3: one more time, Erica Kirk, our audience and everyone who

1085
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: has been watching tonight. This has been a town hall

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Speaker 3: with Erica Kirk, presented by CBS News.

1087
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Speaker 7: For more on many of these stories and news you

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Speaker 7: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com