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Speaker 4: Happened just a few minutes ago. President Trump was asked

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Speaker 10: Haven't gotten any updates on why they ran his home?

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Speaker 11: I say, you could see, you know, you can solve

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Speaker 4: So that was President Trump. I imagine that won't be

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Speaker 4: He endorsed him for reelection despite our concerns and the

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Speaker 4: So we turn also to how can we best honor

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Speaker 4: We talked about the strikes on Iran. There are new

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Speaker 4: the best way to unify the party around remembering Lindsey Graham,

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Speaker 4: I think is a very straightforward one. They can pass

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Speaker 4: the Save Act. Graham, whatever his flaws, was a champion

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Speaker 12: The other thing that we blocked yesterday was the Save

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Speaker 4: You hear the usual fear mongering, Oh it's going if

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Speaker 4: Democrats would support the Save Act because married women as

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Speaker 4: that up. But here's the true thing, Republicans. If you

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Speaker 4: Here's an idea delay that recess, or if you feel

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Speaker 4: We're joined now by our friend John Doyle. He's host

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Speaker 4: of John Doyle Show Over at the Blaze TV John,

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Speaker 4: welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Thank you glad to be back.

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Speaker 4: We want to talk about a few different things here.

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Speaker 4: I definitely want to have you help weigh in with

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Speaker 4: various events going on with Iran. But I know you,

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Speaker 14: I think this is the true long COVID. To be

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Speaker 14: And all of the people who you know, have spent

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Speaker 3: Like these are the same people who would.

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Speaker 14: Watch, you know, true crime documentaries or something on Netflix,

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Speaker 14: Whereas you remember, you know, we used to get banned

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Speaker 3: Kind of you know, question asking.

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Speaker 14: Now, curiously, not only are you allowed to ask questions,

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Speaker 3: And you notice it's because the vector of attack is different.

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Speaker 14: Whereas the old conspiracy theorize and that used to get

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Speaker 4: That's such an important point that yes, it's that this

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Speaker 14: I think frankly, I mean, you know as well as

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Speaker 3: Get attention for themselves.

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Speaker 14: And maybe they try to go work in Hollywood and

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Speaker 14: They wash up into right wing politics, which you know

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Speaker 14: and that's certainly true. Where you've got this kind of

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Speaker 3: All of this has made these people.

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Speaker 14: More money and more popular than they've ever had before,

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Speaker 4: this sort of thing, and I think you would agree

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Speaker 4: with us. It's good that Elon Musk liberated Twitter and

438
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Speaker 4: made it x. It's good that we have far less censorship,

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Speaker 4: far more open free speech. It's almost unbelievable how much

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Speaker 4: better things have become compared to twenty twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 4: So we don't want to go back. We don't want

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Speaker 4: to go back, yeah, to mass censorship. So then that's

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Speaker 4: the challenge. How do we curb the influence of the

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Speaker 4: conspiracy right subculture? How do we win people back from

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Speaker 4: this without having to resort to the mechanism of actually,

446
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Speaker 4: that idea is just banned. We're going to censor it

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Speaker 4: anytime it pops up online.

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Speaker 14: To be honest with you, I literally have no idea.

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Speaker 14: I have been asking this question to close friends for

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Speaker 14: months now.

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Speaker 3: This is sort of the thing.

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Speaker 14: It's like, you know, because the democratization of anything is

453
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Speaker 14: going to enable the ascent of like the lower common denominators,

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Speaker 14: whether it's entertainment, the political process, even the exchange of information.

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Speaker 14: As you include more ideas, you know, the thinking is

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Speaker 14: that the best ideas will rise to the top. It's

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Speaker 14: actually not true. And again this is not an argument

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Speaker 14: for censorship, because clearly we are in a better position

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Speaker 14: to forward the truth and ideas than we were, you know,

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Speaker 14: compared to five years ago. But the problem with that

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Speaker 14: is now instead of the arrows being cast at the

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Speaker 14: truth by you know, the regime, the censorship apparatus, they're

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Speaker 14: being cast by like just like stupid people who are

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Speaker 14: not actually with us in that pursuit of truth or

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Speaker 14: rather just you know, along for the ride, because they

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Speaker 14: find it entertaining and they're willing to derail the entire

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Speaker 14: pursuit itself if it means it's going to be entertaining

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Speaker 14: for them or tantalizing or something. So I don't actually

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Speaker 14: know how you solve it. My strategy, I've just been

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Speaker 14: trying to keep my head down, avoid the drama, and

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Speaker 14: just speak the truth. I've noticed a lot of people

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Speaker 14: kind of mirroring that strategy. But still you've got this

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Speaker 14: like incessant barrage of just like lies and just nonsense

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Speaker 14: coming from those kinds of people, and once the appetite

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Speaker 14: develops in the audience for that kind of stuff, and

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Speaker 14: other people who are maybe more on the fence, they're

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Speaker 14: not necessarily trying to engage with it, but they're may

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Speaker 14: be not totally committed to just speaking the truth. There's

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Speaker 14: like a critical mass that I think can be reached

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Speaker 14: when those kinds of people see the rewards that are

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Speaker 14: to be had when you engage in that kind of

482
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Speaker 14: like bottom of the barrel slop, you get more money,

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Speaker 14: you get more attention. Those people who used to be respected,

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Speaker 14: I've noticed they're indulging in it a little bit themselves.

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Speaker 14: And so I don't actually know how you solve that.

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Speaker 14: As the network model disappears, which used to hold people

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Speaker 14: to some kind of like editorial standard, as that disappears,

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Speaker 14: it's going to be very difficult to keep people on

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Speaker 14: the right track. So I don't know, Actually it's a

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Speaker 14: very that's a million dollar question.

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Speaker 4: I suppose it definitely is a big challenge. But I

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Speaker 4: do feel if I hope I'm not just wish casting here,

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Speaker 4: we saw the events of the past week, with the

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Speaker 4: evidence laid out, I do feel like we maybe have

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Speaker 4: at least with Charlie and Tyler Robinson reached and passed

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Speaker 4: a peak that now that there is more evidence on

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Speaker 4: displayed and more people are speaking up, that at least

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Speaker 4: some people are going to realize, Okay, this isn't going

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Speaker 4: to pan out. They're not going to suddenly find the

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Speaker 4: secret trove of evidence that blows this wide open. Am

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Speaker 4: I wish casting there or are there signs that we

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Speaker 4: might be reaching a turning point there?

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Speaker 3: No, you're correct, I'm just a bit jaded.

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Speaker 14: I think it has been very heartening to see a

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Speaker 14: lot of people who were indulging in this stuff come

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Speaker 14: out and say, look, I was fundamentally concerned about the

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Speaker 14: direction of my country. I love Charlie Kirk, he was

508
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Speaker 14: an arch patriot. I'm worried about what's going on here.

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Speaker 14: And so they were viewing it from that, just asking questions,

510
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Speaker 14: perhaps extending a bit of a undue charity to people

511
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Speaker 14: like Candice Owens and going along this journey with them,

512
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Speaker 14: and then ultimately they're saying, okay, wait a minute, this

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Speaker 14: person was like clearly recklessly disregarding the truth and lying

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Speaker 14: to me, and obviously we have this guy dead to rights.

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Speaker 14: We have him at the place you said we didn't.

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Speaker 14: We've got his DNA, you said we didn't. We've got confessions,

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Speaker 14: you said we didn't. Clearly, insofar as I'm concerned about

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Speaker 14: like an objective pursuit of truth, the trial is going

519
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Speaker 14: to be where I'm going to get that, not like

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Speaker 14: the influencer class. So a lot of people have been

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Speaker 14: seeing that and even having the courage, frankly to kind

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Speaker 14: of like cast stones in the direction of these people

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Speaker 14: and be like, Okay, actually, no, you were lying to me,

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Speaker 14: and this is not about the truth. This is you

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Speaker 14: just trying to aggrandize yourself while standing on this guy's grave.

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Speaker 14: That's wrong, and I don't like you anymore. I'm not

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Speaker 14: going to continue to consume your content anymore. I've been

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Speaker 14: very heartened to see that. I wasn't sure how much

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Speaker 14: of that we were going to see, but it is

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Speaker 14: good to see that people are speaking up about that,

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Speaker 14: because that kind of behavior is despicable.

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Speaker 3: To say the least.

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Speaker 4: It sounds I guess it sounds like a challenge for

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Speaker 4: people like yourself, people some of our lawmakers. It's something

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Speaker 4: Charlie would talk about that sometimes you have a moral

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Speaker 4: test of leadership. And you can either pass that test

537
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Speaker 4: by standing by the truth, even if it is temporarily unpopular,

538
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Speaker 4: even if there are financial opportunities available, if you decide

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Speaker 4: the truth matters less, or you can give into this

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Speaker 4: and you can embrace that. And I think I'm very

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Speaker 4: hopeful that we will see in the months and years

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Speaker 4: to come that more people are going to be willing

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Speaker 4: to follow Charlie's example take that moral step up. So

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Speaker 4: we want to talk a little bit about Iran. We've

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Speaker 4: been in this on off conflict with Iran for almost

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Speaker 4: half a year at this point, and it looks like

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Speaker 4: we're heading on a trajectory back towards conflict. There was

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Speaker 4: a new wave of strikes on the country last night,

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Speaker 4: as reported on Fox Let's show Clip eight.

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Speaker 15: Let's get started with what happened overnight as the President

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Speaker 15: brings down his iron fist on Iran. The US pounded

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Speaker 15: Iran for five hours last night. Sentcom says they hit

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Speaker 15: military targets across six different locations, but did not say

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Speaker 15: if they struck Pickaxe Mountain. That's something the President said

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Speaker 15: was a potential target for a nice, big fat shot. Also,

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Speaker 15: seeing reports at the IRGC carried out drone and missile

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Speaker 15: strikes on US military targets in Bahrain, Kuwait, and Jordan,

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Speaker 15: and a Dutch shipping firm says one of its vessels

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Speaker 15: was struck off the coast of Oman.

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Speaker 4: And so that's all unfolding. Meanwhile, President Trump, but he

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Speaker 4: announced he's reinstating the naval blockade, and he initially announced

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Speaker 4: he was going to have a essentially a twenty percent

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Speaker 4: fee on any ship transitting through the strait, not just

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Speaker 4: actually blocking the ones to Iran, but anyone else paying

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Speaker 4: a fee. And he explained his reasoning on this clip six.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to be reimbursed because we're protecting a

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Speaker 7: very rich portion of the world. We're spending money, and

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Speaker 7: so what we've done is we are going to be

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Speaker 7: reimbursed for protection we're protecting by the countries that we're helping.

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Speaker 4: But just a few minutes ago today President Trump updated

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Speaker 4: on that there was a lot of furor over that announcement,

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Speaker 4: but then he said on truth, after highly productive conversations

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Speaker 4: with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the

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Speaker 4: twenty percent US reimbursement fee with trade and investment deals

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Speaker 4: that various Gulf states will be making in the United States.

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Speaker 4: Those investments will be massive, but at the same time

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Speaker 4: extraordinarily good for them and their future. We have the

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Speaker 4: largest dollar investment in the United States of any country

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Speaker 4: in history. We will see factories, plants, and equipment pour

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Speaker 4: into the United States at historic levels, which will create

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Speaker 4: millions of high pain American jobs. Most importantly, Iran will

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Speaker 4: never have a nuclear weapon. Thank you for your attention

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Speaker 4: to this matter, President Donald J. Trump. So, John, you

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Speaker 4: and I we've talked a little bit about this war.

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Speaker 4: We just had our Chapter leadership summit and we talked

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Speaker 4: to the young people and they said, wars. There's not

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Speaker 4: a lot of enthusiasm with it for young people. President

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Speaker 4: Trump could probably improve his popularity but ending it. But

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Speaker 4: it looks like we're continuing this on and off path.

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Speaker 4: So I want to ask you. You mentioned we keep

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Speaker 4: facing four, we keep focusing on the priorities that matter.

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Speaker 4: How should we be talking and thinking about this conflict?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 14: You know, this is one of the things that sort

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Speaker 14: of break broken containment where obviously, if you're online at all,

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Speaker 14: you see that anytime anything remotely bad happens, people panic

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Speaker 14: and flip out. But it doesn't usually get back to you.

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Speaker 2: In your real life.

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Speaker 14: The Iran war has been something that people who I

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Speaker 14: know personally, who are usually a political maybe they have

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Speaker 14: conservative instincts, they're very concerned about this. They're not happy

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Speaker 14: about this. They're of course echoing what was repeated during

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Speaker 14: Trump's twenty twenty four campaign pertaining to no new wars.

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Speaker 3: Now we are, in fact in a new war.

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Speaker 14: They're paying a lot more at the pump, and this

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Speaker 14: is going to cause a lot of problems, I think

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Speaker 14: going into midterms. So I would like to see this

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Speaker 14: get wrapped up very quickly. Just speaking about it, like

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Speaker 14: from a I guess right wing perspective. Donald Trump has

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Speaker 14: obviously always had maybe a hawkish position on Iran. He

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Speaker 14: hasn't exactly updated that policy, and I think that the

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Speaker 14: way things were going globally, this is probably going to

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Speaker 14: happen regardless of who took office. And Trump's approach toward

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Speaker 14: Iran during twenty twenty four was actually more diplomatic. I mean,

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Speaker 14: he was saying he wanted to make a deal. This

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Speaker 14: was much different than his rhetoric in twenty fifteen, when

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Speaker 14: he said he wanted to blow their ships out of

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Speaker 14: the water. Kamala Harris's campaign was saying otherwise. You know,

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Speaker 14: she was saying that I ran as our greatest enemy.

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Speaker 14: They have American blood on their hands, and so it

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Speaker 14: seemed to be the case that whoever got into office

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Speaker 14: is probably going to be something going down with Iran.

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Speaker 14: But I really hope that this wraps up quickly because

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Speaker 14: we are far.

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Speaker 3: Past our timeline.

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Speaker 14: You know, I was trusting the plan with the timeline

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Speaker 14: this is going to be over in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 14: Now we are entering into about, like you said, you know,

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Speaker 14: a year of this kind of conflict. You know, we

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Speaker 14: had the strikes last summer that was popping off, And

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Speaker 14: so I hope that this gets wrapped up pretty quickly

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Speaker 14: because I don't know how much longer I can justify

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Speaker 14: this to my a political friends who I would like

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Speaker 14: to see vote come November exactly.

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Speaker 4: I think we remain hopeful and maybe I'm seizing upon

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Speaker 4: something here. But even in this recent Trump statement I

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Speaker 4: just read, I like that he's saying we should be

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Speaker 4: reimbursed by the golf and specifically what the goal is.

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Speaker 4: He's saying, we're going to try to get factories, plants,

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Speaker 4: and equipment pouring back into the United States, because we've

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Speaker 4: seen that these conflicts have been a way to expend

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Speaker 4: American wealth abroad. We've also seen prior administrations just deliberately

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Speaker 4: ship American wealth, American expertise, American factories abroad. We've said,

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Speaker 4: we'll be richer and better off if these factories uproot

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Speaker 4: from the US and go abroad. So I find it

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Speaker 4: reassuring that even when he's talking about conflict with Iran,

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Speaker 4: President Trump is thinking the goal here is make America stronger,

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Speaker 4: make America build things again. Am I reading the right

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Speaker 4: amount into this? We have about sixty seconds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 14: You know, his opposition too, to like the Iraq war

652
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Speaker 14: was it was stupid because we didn't take the oil.

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Speaker 14: You know, he is thinking in terms ultimately of what

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Speaker 14: benefits the American public, and I trust him to handle this.

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Speaker 14: What concerns me, though, is the sort of lingering trauma

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Speaker 14: that like millennials and gen z have, having grown up

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Speaker 14: in sort of the era of the War on Terror,

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Speaker 14: where we're used to spilling our blood and treasure in

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Speaker 14: I feel like that trauma response is so built in

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Speaker 14: that anytime they hear there's another sand war, they're gonna

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Speaker 14: assume that it's for absolutely no reason. We're just getting

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Speaker 14: sucked into something that doesn't benefit us, and so it's

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Speaker 14: ultimately on the administration to communicate that more transparently to

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Speaker 14: the public. This is actually in your interest, This is

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Speaker 14: actually benefiting you much unlike what you may be used

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Speaker 14: to in terms of, you know, ongoing conflicts in the

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Speaker 4: I think that's exactly right. There is a lot of trauma,

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Speaker 4: and I think I think that's what's driven a lot

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Speaker 4: of the response to this. That people If you're a

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Speaker 4: twenty year old voter, we talk to them, they're born

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, two

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Speaker 4: that wasn't mired in these wars, and it's made them

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Speaker 4: very wary. But I think if he can guide this

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Speaker 4: to a successful conclusion, I like to think that they'll recover.

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Speaker 4: John an Oil, thank you for joining us. Great as always,

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Speaker 4: We'll see you soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: We have the legendary Mark Halpern. He's editor in chief

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Speaker 4: the Megan Kelly Network. Charlie loved hearing from him. I

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Speaker 4: give us a lot of insights on how Washington really works.

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Speaker 4: So Mark, we're very glad to have you with us,

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Speaker 4: and I might as well just dive right into it.

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Speaker 4: Lindsey Graham, he has been a fixture in Washington basically

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Speaker 4: my entire life, and I described him at the top

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Speaker 4: of the show. His departure, it feels a bit like

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Speaker 4: a generational changeover of the Republican Party. Am I correct

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Speaker 4: in that statement? Or am I wildly off base? So

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Speaker 4: what do you think about No, I.

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Speaker 2: Think that's right.

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Speaker 9: First all, I like to think of myself as knowing

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Speaker 9: about America rather than knowing about Washington.

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Speaker 2: So I dabble in Washington, but.

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Speaker 9: I really my concerns more of the country.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's only one member.

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Speaker 9: Left of the class of ninety four in Congress, Roger Wicker,

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Speaker 9: who's now a Senator. And that class, of course, was

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Speaker 9: a bridge between the Reagan Revolution and the Tea Party

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Speaker 9: and then Maga, which is, you know, the story of

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Speaker 9: the conservative movement to a large extent since since Watergate

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Speaker 9: can be told. I think in those four chapters Reagan,

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Speaker 9: the ninety four Revolution in which newke Gingrish led to

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Speaker 9: a Republic against their first tast majority in in eons,

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Speaker 9: then the Tea Party, and then and then Maga and

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Speaker 9: Trump and Lindsey Graham. Uh spanned that by being a

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Speaker 9: member of that class of ninety four. And part of

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Speaker 9: why I think people are being so emotional about it

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Speaker 9: in Washington and those who knew him, is because he

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Speaker 9: was he does remind them of that of that history

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Speaker 9: of that bridge.

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Speaker 2: Uh and and and and.

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Speaker 9: Because he was relatively young, and because he was kind

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Speaker 9: of a spry guy and you know, a joke a jokester.

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Speaker 9: I think people are sort of brought up a little

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Speaker 9: bit short and thinking about if he's gone, just how

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Speaker 9: much time has passed and that bygone era that's so

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Speaker 9: resident for so.

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Speaker 4: Many Yeah, and so of course I mentioned that he's

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Speaker 4: well known for being a very hawkish Republican senator. He

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Speaker 4: was well known for being one more sympathetic to immigration reform,

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Speaker 4: even amnesty, yet he held well, he didn't change those

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Speaker 4: views too much into the Trump era. And yet at

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Speaker 4: the same time he was known as a senator who

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Speaker 4: was very close with President Trump, who had a lot

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Speaker 4: of ability to influence him. Can you describe to us

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Speaker 4: how is he able to achieve that? What were his

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Speaker 4: political secrets to keeping his influence through changing times?

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Speaker 9: So, you know, the left is criticizing him as kind

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Speaker 9: of the ultimate Trump lap dog and.

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Speaker 2: Mocking him and saying, you know.

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Speaker 9: He sold his soul and certainly to be really close

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Speaker 9: friends with both John McCain and Donald Trump during this

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Speaker 9: period is not something too many other people could pull off.

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Speaker 9: He was fun to have around because he had a

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Speaker 9: great sense of humor and because he had an active mind.

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Speaker 9: He loved to trade in gossip, which, by the way,

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Speaker 9: for those of you who don't know the president loves

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Speaker 9: to trading gossip. Just fascinated by the real lives of

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Speaker 9: real people, meaning personal lives of people around him in

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Speaker 9: his court. And he was a very media savvy and

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Speaker 9: of course President Trump likes that. And then although he

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Speaker 9: differed with the President on some issues, he understood how

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Speaker 9: to try to square the circle. He understood how to

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Speaker 9: push the president towards whereas he wanted to go, but

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Speaker 9: not push too hard.

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Speaker 2: To embarrass the president or to or to shame him.

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Speaker 9: And then and then I guess one more is he

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Speaker 9: was great eyes and ears for the president on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 9: And the president loves gossip. He also loves political intelligence,

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Speaker 9: and Senator Graham could provide.

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Speaker 2: That to him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he also it just seemed he knew those

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Speaker 4: little subtle ways, or maybe even not so subtle. I

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Speaker 4: was reading just the other day after his death that

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Speaker 4: he described his secret. He says, if you flatter President

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Speaker 4: Trump too much, he's going to be suspicious. He's not

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Speaker 4: going to go for it. He'll have contempt for you.

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Speaker 4: But the best way to perhaps, guy, his favorite secret

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Speaker 4: was he would just tell President Trump, well, here's what

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Speaker 4: President Obama would do in this situation, and he would

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Speaker 4: just describe it. And President Trump had such this deep

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Speaker 4: aversion to Obama, he really disliked him, and that was

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Speaker 4: a way to guide him in that direction. And it

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Speaker 4: is that was that just his special talent. He knew

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Speaker 4: how to tell the story, tell the little yeah, tell

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Speaker 4: the anecdote that would make someone lean the way you

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Speaker 4: want them to go.

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Speaker 9: Like Trump himself, Lindsay Graham had high human intelligence. He

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Speaker 9: understood how to read people. And part of why reporters

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Speaker 9: loved him so much was because he knew he knew

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Speaker 9: what reporters needed, He knew what reporters wanted. You read

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Speaker 9: today in the New York Times and lots of other

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Speaker 9: places online on social media, lots of you know, liberal

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Speaker 9: reporters love Lindsay Graham, and not because he was a liberal.

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Speaker 9: On some issues he was more moderate, but another issues,

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Speaker 9: like on national security stuff.

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Speaker 2: Quite hawkish, but he just understood how to give people

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Speaker 2: what they wanted.

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Speaker 9: And you know, not to play immature psychiatrists, but if

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Speaker 9: you look at someone who lost his parents when he

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Speaker 9: was young, who had to struggle and then search for

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Speaker 9: father figures like Joe Lieberman and John mccainn and Donald Trump,

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Speaker 9: he's a people pleaser. And so he's a smart, funny

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Speaker 9: people pleaser who could read people well. And I think

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Speaker 9: that explains not just how he did what he did,

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Speaker 9: but why it was so effective.

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Speaker 4: So now he very abruptly is gone. And I suppose

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Speaker 4: the natural question to ask is what does that mean?

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Speaker 4: How is the Republican Party different How is the dynamic

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Speaker 4: in Washington different with Lindsey Graham for now replaced by

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Speaker 4: his non politician sister and soon likely be replaced by

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Speaker 4: a different Republican. Is there any transformative effect or am

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Speaker 4: I overplaying this?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 9: I think there's minor transformative effects that need to play

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Speaker 9: out on Capitol Hill. He was chair of the Budget Committee,

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Speaker 9: he was the chair of a lot of subcommittees.

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Speaker 2: He was a key vote and a key voice on

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Speaker 2: a lot of issues.

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Speaker 9: I think the Capitol Hill reporters, as they tend to do,

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Speaker 9: are overwriting that, overemphasizing it. I think all that will

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Speaker 9: sort itself out, and I don't think the post Graham

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Speaker 9: world will be all that different in terms of the

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Speaker 9: process of Capitol Hill. I think the biggest thing is

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Speaker 9: his role on Ukraine U and not as some have said,

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Speaker 9: because the Hawks have lost their biggest voice, and perhaps

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Speaker 9: this will make President Trump less supportive of Zelensky. As

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Speaker 9: I understood it before his death, the administration believed realized

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Speaker 9: that of all the people in Trump's orbit, the only

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Speaker 9: one who could pressure President Zelensky to eventually make a

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Speaker 9: deal when the time comes was Senator Graham. Because of

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Speaker 9: his close relationship with Zelensky and his hawkish position. At

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Speaker 9: some point, we hope maybe this won't be the way

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Speaker 9: it ends. But the most likely way the war ends

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Speaker 9: is President Selensky accepts a peace and security swap for

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Speaker 9: giving up land that he doesn't want to give up

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Speaker 9: and that the Ukrainian constitutions ses he can.

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Speaker 4: So hold on. I'm hearing this right that Lindsey Graham

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Speaker 4: was the chief asset for it, chiefving peace in Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: A negotiated peace in Ukraine.

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Speaker 9: With a very specific task, which was to say to

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Speaker 9: say to his friends, Zelensky trusts me, this is the

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Speaker 9: best deal you're going to get. I care about your

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Speaker 9: security like you do. This is it take the deal?

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Speaker 9: And and and and it would require someone of his

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Speaker 9: personal ties to Zelensky and credibility on security and anti

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Speaker 9: Putin sentiment to sell that and and I haven't talked

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Speaker 9: to anybody about what their backup is. But he was

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Speaker 9: the one who had the credibility to do that, and

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Speaker 9: and and no one else does. So that's I think

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Speaker 9: that could be the biggest change uh and and loss

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Speaker 9: from his passing.

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Speaker 4: That's so interesting that that's why I love having you

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Speaker 4: on you You highlight those things that we don't necessarily think

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Speaker 4: of otherwise. So, Mark, we're going to have a primary

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Speaker 4: one month out from now, and it's something we very

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Speaker 4: rarely see, an absolutely wide open primary for a seat

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Speaker 4: in a relatively secure red seat. What's happening right now,

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Speaker 4: how are they maneuvering. What sort of stuff is happening

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Speaker 4: behind the scenes or frankly in front of the cameras

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Speaker 4: that our viewers should know about.

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Speaker 9: Well, some people have taken themselves out who might have

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Speaker 9: been picked. Others are burning up the phone lines. I

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Speaker 9: was a little surprised that they chose a caretaker Senator

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Speaker 9: Graham's sister, but it does make a certain amount of

875
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Speaker 9: sense because it's an anti establishment time and they wanted

876
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Speaker 9: her for the symbolism.

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Speaker 2: I think to have the job.

878
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Speaker 9: But my money and my eye are currently on Congressman

879
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Speaker 9: Fry of South Carolina, someone who Donald Trump helped win

880
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Speaker 9: beat an incumbent who the President wanted to take out.

881
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Speaker 9: He's currently on the ballot to run for his House seat.

882
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Speaker 9: But South Carolina law actually allows you to run for

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Speaker 9: both at the same time, So I suspect if he

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Speaker 9: has the endorsement of both the President and the governor,

885
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Speaker 9: and I suspect they'll endorse the same person.

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Speaker 2: That's where I'm looking.

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Speaker 9: And in a primary like this, such a short turnaround,

888
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Speaker 9: such a short time frame, I'm hard to imagine that

889
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Speaker 9: the President's normal practice of endorsing the winner wouldn't wouldn't

890
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Speaker 9: sustain And do you.

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Speaker 4: Think it is just President Trump? Likely can could he

892
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Speaker 4: anoint the winner if you were to pick someone else,

893
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Speaker 4: with that person instantly become the favorite.

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Speaker 9: I mean if he picked me, if he picked me, no,

895
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Speaker 9: whoever he picks will be the favorite without a doubt.

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Speaker 9: And as you know, the president reverse engineers is a

897
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Speaker 9: little bit. He endorses after folks tell him who's going

898
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Speaker 9: to win. He rarely takes a risk. In fact, in

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Speaker 9: the gubernatorial primary in South Carolina a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 9: the President had endorsed lieutenant governor. When his aides told

901
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Speaker 9: him the polling suggested that she would lose, he did

902
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Speaker 9: what he sometimes does. He endorsed the second candidate, mister Wilson,

903
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Speaker 9: and and he won the He won the runoff. So

904
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Speaker 9: the President, I think we'll probably pick one person who

905
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Speaker 9: his team says, if he adors this person, they're.

906
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Speaker 2: Likely to win.

907
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just checking, double checking my message, and

908
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Speaker 4: I said, we're going to talk about Graham. And as

909
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Speaker 4: we know, Senator Lindsay, Graham is not the only Graham.

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Speaker 4: Since we last had you on, there's been a lot

911
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Speaker 4: of drama with another Graham Platner out in Maine. Democrats

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Speaker 4: it seems like they basically are we reading this correct

913
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Speaker 4: from the right, that they looked at all of his

914
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Speaker 4: scandals and thought this is a loser. We need to

915
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Speaker 4: pull something off to force him out, and they just

916
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Speaker 4: made it happen. Is is that what unfolded?

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Speaker 9: It's an interesting question why en mass a critical mass

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Speaker 9: of Democrats turned on him. As you know, some Democrats

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Speaker 9: never supported him even after he won the primary. Others

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Speaker 9: opposed him until he won the primary and then got

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Speaker 9: on board. You know, I talked to many Democrats, the

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Speaker 9: reasonable people who say the nats Nazi tattoo was enough

923
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Speaker 9: for them. They would never support him, but he had

924
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Speaker 9: the supportive Senator Schumer and and Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren,

925
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Speaker 9: et cetera. Why this one story, as horrible as the

926
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Speaker 9: charges were, why that caused them all to drop?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

928
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Speaker 9: I did write a pece for the Free Press yesterday.

929
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Speaker 9: I'm not sure this increases their chances of winning. I

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Speaker 9: think Democrats assume that they couldn't win with Platnir, but

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure they can win with Adam. As I

932
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Speaker 9: look at the early jostling amongst the minor leaguers trying

933
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Speaker 9: to replace him. Platter brought a lot of strengths to this.

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Speaker 9: You know, he won the primary overwhelmingly. He was roughly

935
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Speaker 9: even in the polling. He had an energy organization, a message,

936
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Speaker 9: and that great voice, gravelly voice. And I look at

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Speaker 9: these other folks, I'm not sure if they auditioned to

938
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Speaker 9: be an extra and Pippin at Bayo, New Jersey Dinner Theater,

939
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Speaker 9: that they would necessarily get cast.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see. I think we'll know in a few weeks.

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Speaker 9: After they picked the person whether they've got what it

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Speaker 9: takes to beat an incumbent.

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Speaker 11: Is there?

944
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Speaker 4: So it does seem yeah, they basically, as you said,

945
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Speaker 4: he won the primary overwhelmingly, and the party establishment basically

946
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Speaker 4: said tough shakes were not going to let this happen.

947
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Speaker 4: Do voters tend do voters tend to feel burned by this?

948
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Speaker 2: Like?

949
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Speaker 4: Are there going to be Democrats who are just going

950
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Speaker 4: to say you took out our guy, I'm not voting,

951
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Speaker 4: Or are they more likely to say the most important

952
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Speaker 4: thing is getting rid of a Republican and like, do

953
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Speaker 4: they only have to worry about their candidate might be weaker,

954
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Speaker 4: or do they have to worry that they have alienated

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Speaker 4: their base.

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Speaker 9: From everything I've seen, it's really more of the former

957
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Speaker 9: than the latter. I haven't seen much in talking to

958
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Speaker 9: Democrats and listening to voters and reading other people's interviews

959
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Speaker 9: with voters, I don't see much evidence that people are

960
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Speaker 9: despondent because they've recognized that Plantner was a vehicle. And

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Speaker 9: I did a focus group a few weeks ago, and

962
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Speaker 9: all the people in it who were supportive of Platner.

963
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Speaker 2: Didn't think he was some hero. They just thought he

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Speaker 2: was the vehicle.

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Speaker 9: Most of everybody who's running to replace him agrees with

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Speaker 9: him on a preponderance of issues.

967
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Speaker 2: They don't have his charisma.

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Speaker 9: So I would imagine the bigger problem than people saying, hey,

969
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Speaker 9: you took out our guy, We're depressed, We're not going

970
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Speaker 9: to vote for the Democrat.

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Speaker 2: I think the bigger.

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Speaker 9: Problem will be at I'm not that engaged with the

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Speaker 9: race anymore, because we don't have the excitement of Graham Platner.

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Speaker 4: Every time you're on. I just love to ask you.

975
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Speaker 4: You are an expert on America, as you yourself said,

976
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Speaker 4: So we are a few months out from the midterm election.

977
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Speaker 4: What's your read on the overall state of things?

978
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Speaker 9: If things stay as they are regarding the economy, how

979
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Speaker 9: people feel about the direction of the country and the president.

980
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Speaker 9: I think, excuse me, I think it'll be a very

981
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Speaker 9: big day for the Democrats. Certainly take back the House,

982
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Speaker 9: maybe take back the Senate, but that's still subject to

983
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Speaker 9: some individual races. Republicans have really helped themselves with redistricting.

984
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Speaker 9: They've really were benefited from a Supreme Court decision that

985
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Speaker 9: allows them to coordinate how money is spent, and so

986
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Speaker 9: the structural things benefit Republicans. The history and the current

987
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 9: overview macro conditions benefit the Democrats. But let's see how

988
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 9: people feel about the economy. Let's see where gas prices are.

989
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 9: The inflation numbers today were better than expected, So let's

990
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Speaker 9: see if the president can't not know Nudge's approval rating

991
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 9: OP of right track, wrong track op would make a

992
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Speaker 9: big difference for the party.

993
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Speaker 4: If let's say, for example, if they were able to

994
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Speaker 4: reach a deal in Iran thirty seconds here? Could that

995
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 4: do an overnight turner? Is it getting to the point

996
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Speaker 4: where it might be too late to fix that?

997
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Speaker 9: Yeah, we could make a big difference, but so would

998
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Speaker 9: repelling a Martian invasion, which at this point seems just

999
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Speaker 9: as likely as getting a deal with IRN.

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Speaker 4: also next up on the Megan Kelly Network. Mark, always

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Speaker 4: We just had our chapter leadership something in DC. I

1033
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 4: was there, Andrew was there. We had some panel discussions

1034
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 4: with kids. It was our biggest one ever, and I

1035
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 4: just wanted to talk more about it today because I

1036
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 4: think it's very important to highlight the work that Turning

1037
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Speaker 4: Point USA is continuing to do to reach the next generation.

1038
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Speaker 4: So we're joined by two people who just attended that event.

1039
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Speaker 4: Were joined by Preston Parsons, he's the Turning Point USA

1040
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: Chapter president at Texas Tech. And we're also joined by

1041
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: Sophia Hunt, who is a Club America chapter president at

1042
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Speaker 4: Westfield High School. Welcome to both of you.

1043
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Speaker 10: Thank you so much, Yes, thanks for having us on Blake.

1044
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: All righty, well, Preston, I think I'll start with you

1045
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 4: because I think you're a little bit older, so we'll

1046
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 4: go easy on our high school er here. So just

1047
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 4: tell us what was it like being at this event

1048
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 4: thousands of other young Turning Point Chapter representatives, meeting them,

1049
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 4: interacting with them. Just give our audience the feeling of

1050
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 4: what it's like to be at one of these Turning

1051
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Speaker 4: Point youth events.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely.

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Speaker 16: First of all, I'd just like to say nobody puts

1054
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 16: on events like Turning Point USA does. It was a

1055
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 16: Turning Point USA event one year ago that completely changed

1056
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Speaker 16: the trajectory of my life and got me involved.

1057
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Speaker 10: And it was my first time in Washington, d C.

1058
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Speaker 16: At the CLS, which was also an incredible experience to

1059
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Speaker 16: be in DC for the America two fifty celebrations around

1060
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Speaker 16: thousands of other young patriotic Americans who share the same vision.

1061
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Speaker 16: It was an incredible experience and the vibes were awesome

1062
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Speaker 16: between the Club America kids getting to go check out

1063
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Speaker 16: Mount Vernon, the college kids getting interact with each other

1064
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Speaker 16: in the various speakers, and for instance, my group getting

1065
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 16: to run into you Blake, you know, down there in

1066
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Speaker 16: the lobby of the hotel, getting a chitchat with you.

1067
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Speaker 16: But overall it's phenomenal and once again, no one puts

1068
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 16: on events like Turning Point USA.

1069
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Speaker 4: Oh thank you so much, Sophia. Was this your first

1070
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: Turning Point event of any kind or what was it

1071
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 4: like for you?

1072
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Speaker 17: So my first Turning Point event was actually back in

1073
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Speaker 17: December of twenty twenty four, and ever since then, I've

1074
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Speaker 17: been trying to attend every single Turning Point event. It's

1075
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Speaker 17: been a blast. I even had the opportunity of being

1076
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Speaker 17: one of the two high school students being selected to

1077
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Speaker 17: attend the Turning Point gala in mar A Lago back

1078
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Speaker 17: in December. But it was truly an amazing experience.

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Speaker 10: One of the most.

1080
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Speaker 17: Encouraging events that I've personally ever attended, and it just

1081
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Speaker 17: brought together just student leaders role across the country and

1082
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 17: every single person is trying to make a difference in

1083
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Speaker 17: their schools and communities, and that always sticks out to me,

1084
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Speaker 17: especially with these events. The energy, it's just not only motivational,

1085
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Speaker 17: it's so uplifting, and we're given real advice about like leadership,

1086
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Speaker 17: like growing our chapters, standing from in our values, and

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Speaker 17: just becoming better representatives of the movement. And I always

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Speaker 17: feel so inspired and just left feeling even more equipped

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Speaker 17: to lead my chapter every.

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Speaker 2: Time I go.

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Speaker 4: And we were playing some highlights yesterday. Erica came to

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Speaker 4: the event delivered a speech just a few days after

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Speaker 4: she was in Utah for the preliminary hearing. Either of you,

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Speaker 4: maybe Sophia first, What was it like to hear Erica's remarks?

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Speaker 4: What sort of messages do you have? How is it

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Speaker 4: compared to Charlie before her Wow?

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Speaker 17: Well, Erica's speech, it was definitely it was very powerful,

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Speaker 17: and especially what stood out to me was what she

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Speaker 17: said about marriage and just placing God always at the

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Speaker 17: center of it. It reminded me of when I had

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Speaker 17: the opportunity to have breakfast with Charlie Kirk just about

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Speaker 17: one year ago from CLS so Blast CLS. One of

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Speaker 17: the very first things that Charlie Kirk had asked me

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Speaker 17: was not about politics, not about my chapter, and not

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Speaker 17: about leadership, but it was he said, how is your

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Speaker 17: dating life? And that really stood out to me, But

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Speaker 17: it showed me how seriously Charlie and Erica viewed relationships

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Speaker 17: and how in marriage and building your life on the

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Speaker 17: right foundation, and that foundation is God. And their message

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Speaker 17: was that a relationship cannot just be centered on two

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Speaker 17: people or just the feelings. It's always has to be

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Speaker 17: centered on God, and we have to be willing to

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Speaker 17: follow Him and serve each other and recognize that marriage

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Speaker 17: does have a greater purpose. And as a young woman

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Speaker 17: that is thinking about her future, that the one of

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Speaker 17: the most meaningful parts of the entire event.

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Speaker 4: Preston, how about you? How did you feel from Erica's

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Speaker 4: speech or any of the speeches that you heard while

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Speaker 4: you were there?

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Speaker 16: Well, as always, all of the speakers that at the

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Speaker 16: turning point events are incredible. They always have a really

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Speaker 16: good message. And I mean props to Erica. Before her speech,

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Speaker 16: I got to visit with her a little bit at

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Speaker 16: a private breakfast that morning along with a bunch of

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Speaker 16: other college students, and seeing the effect that the trial

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Speaker 16: had had on her over the last week, the pre

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Speaker 16: trial hearings, and still her willingness to show up in DC,

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Speaker 16: get up there and deliver a fantastic speech was super motivating.

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Speaker 16: And you know you heard the students cheering Erica, Erica,

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Speaker 16: Erica before she came on stage.

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Speaker 10: She is the leader of this organization. We all believe

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Speaker 10: in her.

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Speaker 16: We know that she is going to carry on Charlie's

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Speaker 16: legacy as we all are. And I thought that was

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Speaker 16: really important with the theme of cls his legacy your voice,

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Speaker 16: and no one is doing it better than miss Erica Kirk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And I want to actually, I want to

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Speaker 4: shout that out that those breakfasts that some of you

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Speaker 4: were able to attend with Erica in person. I only

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Speaker 4: throw it out out there to say, any of you

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Speaker 4: who are listening, who are getting involved in Turning Point

1142
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Speaker 4: in your high school, in your college, if you get

1143
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Speaker 4: really involved, those are the opportunities that are out there.

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Speaker 4: We love to identify promising leaders and get them close

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Speaker 4: with leaders at Turning point, get them opportunities to meet

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Speaker 4: leaders of our country. We Erica believe so strongly Turning Point,

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Speaker 4: believe so strongly in uplifting the next generation of leaders.

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Speaker 4: Preston a question for you. I imagine you were meeting a

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Speaker 4: lot of other college age young men who are highly motivated,

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Speaker 4: highly driven. But what do you feel and you can

1151
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 4: weigh in for yourself, what are the issues and ideas

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Speaker 4: that are most motivating to conservatives who are in that

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Speaker 4: age rage under the age of twenty four or so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, of course the biggest thing is affordability.

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Speaker 16: If I wasn't fortunate enough to be on scholarship, I

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Speaker 16: wouldn't be attending college, and I would have been in

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Speaker 16: the military, and none of these experiences in Turning Point

1159
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Speaker 16: USA would have occurred.

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Speaker 10: And to see so many fellow.

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Speaker 16: Gen Z young men my age who are struggling with

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Speaker 16: college that who are struggling with that issue, and not

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Speaker 16: just college debt, but debt overall. We cannot afford homes,

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Speaker 16: we cannot afford to get married, and we cannot afford

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Speaker 16: to have kids. And that's one of the things I've

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Speaker 16: enjoyed is seeing these cliptory surface of Charlie one year

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Speaker 16: ago at SAZ talking about the three m's right, he

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Speaker 16: talked about maiden marriage and maiden right, getting you know,

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Speaker 16: young people involved, to be able to have affordable homes,

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Speaker 16: to be able to afford to have a family, to

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Speaker 16: be able to have kids. That is by far the

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Speaker 16: top issue because if we can't allow, if we can't sorry,

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Speaker 16: if we can't have those things happen, we really don't

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Speaker 16: care about anything else that's going on politically until those

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Speaker 16: core issues are met. So that mission is still going on.

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Speaker 16: That message is still one that I hear the most

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Speaker 16: to be the most prominent among young men in.

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Speaker 4: Gen Z and Sophia. Back to you, what you're talking

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Speaker 4: to young women? What's motivating high school age women when

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Speaker 4: that are going to turning point events?

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Speaker 17: Oh wow, Well, well for me, I definitely think that

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Speaker 17: the value that is like heavily brought is that students

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Speaker 17: realize that they're not alone, especially at these turning point

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Speaker 17: events at school, especially when you hold conservative values, it

1185
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Speaker 17: can really really like people really realize that it can

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Speaker 17: feel like you're the only person. You feel alone, sometimes

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Speaker 17: the only person willing to speak up is you. And

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Speaker 17: then you come to cls, you meet students like this

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Speaker 17: from all over the country who are facing such similar challenges,

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Speaker 17: but they always still choose to lead and events like this,

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Speaker 17: especially at cls and even talking with the girls my age,

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Speaker 17: they always say that it gives them confidence, It gives

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Speaker 17: them so many friendships and just practical tools and just

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Speaker 17: such a strong sense of purpose just to take back

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Speaker 17: home with them and to use.

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Speaker 4: So that's wonderful. That's wonderful, I do. I think that's

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Speaker 4: such a point worth fasizing that it can be. I

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Speaker 4: think a lot of our viewers, you know, they maybe

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Speaker 4: live in rural areas, they're used to being around a

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Speaker 4: lot of conservatives if you're a young person on a

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Speaker 4: college campus. We saw that shift a little bit in

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Speaker 4: the twenty four election where there were more young people

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Speaker 4: open to it, but we know some of those have

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Speaker 4: swung back, and we know some schools never swung at all.

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Speaker 4: It can still be an isolating experience to be a

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Speaker 4: conservative at your high school, at your college, and we

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Speaker 4: love having that opportunity to gather you guys in one spot.

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Speaker 4: Realize there are thousands, if really millions of people like

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Speaker 4: you out there, and a lot of them just need

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Speaker 4: they just need to be given the courage to stand

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Speaker 4: up and speak up for themselves. Is there anything else

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Speaker 4: that you really want to communicate to those who've never

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Speaker 4: been to a Turning Point event what they should understand

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Speaker 4: about it?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Wow, absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 17: I thought it was completely refreshing always, and you don't

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Speaker 17: have to spend the entire time defending why you believe

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Speaker 17: what you believe at these events, And I feel like

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Speaker 17: that's a big thing that we do within our school

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Speaker 17: systems and within our communities. You can go deeper and

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Speaker 17: talk about these things and those beliefs that you have,

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Speaker 17: and you can put them into action, especially with students

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Speaker 17: at Turning Point. And I met students with completely different

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Speaker 17: backgrounds and experiences everywhere I walked, and we were all

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Speaker 17: just so connected by our love for God, our love

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Speaker 17: for our country and Charlie, and just the desire to

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Speaker 17: make a difference. So Turning Point events you never want

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Speaker 17: to miss them.

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Speaker 4: Preston, how about you?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I'd just like to echo what Sophia said and

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Speaker 16: what you said, Blake. Often, when you're on your college campus,

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Speaker 16: you're on your high school campus, you can feel like

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Speaker 16: you're alone in this fight. But when you go to

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Speaker 16: these events and you around thousands of other patriotic young Americans.

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Speaker 16: You remember what this fight really is about. That you're

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Speaker 16: not alone in this and that despite what public belief is,

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Speaker 16: we are actually the majority. And gen Z is turning

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Speaker 16: radically conservative in a very positive way. So it's super

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 16: motivating to be around other people like that, and it's

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Speaker 16: really encouraging. Like Sophia said, don't miss a Turning Point

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Speaker 16: USA event.

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01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 4: So Erica's speech, we made an announcement for a brand

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Speaker 4: new Turning Point event that we hope to add to

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Speaker 4: our rotation of annual events. And I will say they

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Speaker 4: played this one so close to the chest. It was

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Speaker 4: new for me when I saw the trailer as it

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Speaker 4: went on. And so what this event is it is

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Speaker 4: invictis the men's Leadership Summit. You women don't get your

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Speaker 4: own exclusive leadership some now now we have women and

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Speaker 4: men's one and we had this trailer for it. So

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Speaker 4: let's play clip fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Liberty is not man's idea, it is God's idea. We

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Speaker 1: are in a spiritual war. Everybody that is beyond just

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Speaker 1: the material that we are seeing. Young boys and young

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Speaker 1: men are looking for something to connect to that gives

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Speaker 1: them purpose, that says it's okay to be a man.

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Speaker 3: We believe in strong.

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Speaker 1: Alpha, godly, high tea, high achieving, confident, well.

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Speaker 3: Armed, and disruptive. Men are the quote, not the problem.

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Speaker 1: In America and at Ourny Point USA, not only do

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Speaker 1: we celebrate masculinity, we believe that masculinity is the answer

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Speaker 1: to so many.

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Speaker 3: Of our problems in this culture.

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Speaker 1: The stakes are high.

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Speaker 2: We have only begun to fight.

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Speaker 4: I love everything about this. You can see how Charlie

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Speaker 4: was so aware. You need different techniques to appeal to men. So,

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Speaker 4: for example, we look at that October ninth through eleventh

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Speaker 4: this year, this fall, southern California. Where's the location? I

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Speaker 4: can't tell you. It's a secret. How do you go

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Speaker 4: to this? You can't just sign up? You actually you've

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Speaker 4: got to go. You can scan. Do we have that

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Speaker 4: QR code? Throw that up if we have it, but

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Speaker 4: if we don't. You can go to TPUSA Men's Summit

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Speaker 4: dot com. That is TPUSA Men's Summit dot com for

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Speaker 4: more information. This is for men aged eighteen to twenty

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Speaker 4: six and you can register. You can apply, but that

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean you get to go. They're going to be

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Speaker 4: reviewing applications interviewing the people who want to go, and

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Speaker 4: the deadline is August thirty first, so we want to

1283
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Speaker 4: be shouting this out now. This is not a thing

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Speaker 4: you arrive at last minute. Another thing that's impressive about

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Speaker 4: this they announced there's going to be speakers and participants

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Speaker 4: at this event. You will have heard of them, but

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Speaker 4: we're not announcing them in advance because there are some

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Speaker 4: people who want to be able to provide advice and

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Speaker 4: guidance with less publicity, maybe people in the business world.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Like I said, they're playing this close

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Speaker 4: to the chest, but this is going to be a

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Speaker 4: new event for young men. We want to uplift young men. Preston,

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Speaker 4: you're one of those young men. If if you're applying,

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Speaker 4: what kind of things are you hoping to see at

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Speaker 4: a men's leadership summit?

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Speaker 16: Blake, I am so excited for this event. I mean,

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Speaker 16: you heard the cheers coming from the crowd and this

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Speaker 16: was a Now staffter Erica came up and no offense. Sofia,

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Speaker 16: you know, the young women, you've had your summits, you've

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Speaker 16: had your chance, but it's finally time for the young

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Speaker 16: men to have this happen. And I think they're playing

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Speaker 16: into it very well. They're playing into what we appreciate

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Speaker 16: and what we need. You know, it's very hard for

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Speaker 16: young men who are eighteen to twenty six to you know,

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Speaker 16: sit in a conference room for ten hours and listen

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Speaker 16: to some mundane speeches for hours on end. You know,

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Speaker 16: we love being in the outdoors. We love going to

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Speaker 16: the gun range, we love being mentoring, love having that discipleship,

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Speaker 16: and we love being around whether it's business leaders or

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Speaker 16: the these you know, influential men in the conservative sphere.

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Speaker 16: You know that that's what we strive for. And my

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Speaker 16: generation of young men specifically has been victimized so much

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Speaker 16: from the COVID you know, pandemic all the way through that.

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Speaker 16: Young men have faced the most criticism and backlash out

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Speaker 16: of anybody. So to see some attention put on this

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Speaker 16: and to see the opportunity for us to be around

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Speaker 16: those people and get that mentorship is so exciting. Because

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Speaker 16: we're going to be able to, you know, be around

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Speaker 16: a lake, We're gonna be able to go hike, We're

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Speaker 16: going to be able to you know, be at a

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Speaker 16: gun range, and it's going to be an amazing experience.

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Speaker 10: I'm very excited to see the direction of.

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Speaker 4: This awesome, And yeah, that's true. They did mention there's

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Speaker 4: going to be more outdoor, hands on component stuff that

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Speaker 4: appeals to young men, because Charlie did. He cared so

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Speaker 4: much about this, he cared about he knew young men

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Speaker 4: they get blamed for everything. They're told they're a problem

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Speaker 4: if they're straight, if they're male, often especially young white men,

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Speaker 4: that's always okay to discriminate against them. And these are

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Speaker 4: the guys who have to assert themselves, reclaim America. And

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad that Turning Point is having an event

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Speaker 4: to directly cultivate those young men who are going to

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Speaker 4: change the future. Sophia, I don't want you feeling left out.

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Speaker 4: So if you have a few seconds here, just what

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Speaker 4: sort of what sort of men do we need to

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Speaker 4: be raising these days?

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Speaker 17: Ones that live biblically. Matt and I truly believe that

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Speaker 17: masculinity has been on a decline. But Turning Point is

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Speaker 17: doing a great job of pouring in Biblical values into

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Speaker 17: young men.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 17: I mean, I met so many at Chapter Leadership Summit

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Speaker 17: just this past weekend, and it is not feeding away,

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Speaker 17: especially in the conservative realm.

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Speaker 4: So exactly, exactly, so like I said, deadline to apply

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Speaker 4: August thirty first, and this is this is there's selectivity

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Speaker 4: for this event. So you can go there and and apply,

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Speaker 4: and then you'll get to find out where you'll be

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Speaker 4: going in southern California. I don't know where it's going

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Speaker 4: to be. You'll get to encounter those speakers. I don't

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Speaker 4: know yet who they're going to be. And I will say,

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Speaker 4: we've always been rotating what our signs are, so I'm

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Speaker 4: already nagging the team we need to get that advertising

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Speaker 4: sign up behind that chair so that we can market

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Speaker 4: it the same way we market Women's Leadership Summit. I'm

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Speaker 4: so excited for this, and I just want to say

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Speaker 4: thank you to both of you, Preston and Sophia. Thank

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Speaker 4: you for being a part of the Chapter Leadership Summit.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for being part of Turning Points mission. And we

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Speaker 4: look forward to everything that we're going to be able

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Speaker 4: to build in the months and years to come. So

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Speaker 4: thank you both of you guys for joining us.

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Speaker 10: Thank you so much. Absolutely, Thanks Blake.

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Speaker 4: Alrighty, so all of you young men eighteen to twenty

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Speaker 4: six are parents, if you have a son who's in

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Speaker 4: that age range, nephew, a cousin anyone. Tell them about

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Speaker 4: Invictus the Men's Leadership Summit, Tell them to get their

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Speaker 4: application in. They're not going to want to miss it.

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Speaker 16: For more on many of these stories and news you

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Speaker 16: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com