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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Hammer Show.

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Speaker 1: Iran is still the news of the day, both domestically

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Speaker 1: and globally. Rich Goldberg of the Foundation for Defensive Democracies

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Speaker 1: joined us later in the show to unpack what is

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Speaker 1: going on, and there is eight lots going on. So

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Speaker 1: it's a couple of first, first time ever events, or

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Speaker 1: at least first time in a very very long time.

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Speaker 1: A couple of first have happened just over the past

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Speaker 1: twenty four to forty eight.

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Speaker 2: Hours or so.

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Speaker 1: So a US submarine notably has sunk in an enemy

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Speaker 1: warship with a torpedo for the first time since nineteen

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Speaker 1: forty five, since World War Two. That coming at a

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Speaker 1: press conference this morning from peteks At, the Secretary of

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Speaker 1: War and General Dan Kay and the Chairman of the

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Speaker 1: Joint Chiefs of Staff. Extraordinary stuff, Petex. That's saying that

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Speaker 1: an American submarine sunk in Iranian warship that thought it

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Speaker 1: was safe in international waters. Instead it was sunk by

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. Quiet death. Just bold stuff.

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Speaker 2: It makes you wonder.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, at least my first law was that really this

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Speaker 1: has never happened during Vietnam, during Korea during any subsequent

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Speaker 1: war apparently not. This is the first time this has

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Speaker 1: happened since since World War Two, since the war against

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Speaker 1: the Fascist Alliance of Germany, Italy and Japan. Pre remarkable stuff. Similarly,

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Speaker 1: another first that happens roughly around the same time and

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Speaker 1: Israelly F thirty five. So the F thirty five is

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Speaker 1: of course in an American military platform Israel. Like some

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Speaker 1: of our other allies, the Saudi has had a purchased

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Speaker 1: a lot of these F thirty fives from the United States.

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Speaker 1: So in Israeli F thirty five shot down an Iranian

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Speaker 1: jet in air to air combat over Tehran. This is

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Speaker 1: the first time we believe that the F thirty five

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Speaker 1: platform has ever shot down a manned aircraft in air

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Speaker 1: to air combats. Traditionally they go after unmanned targets. So

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Speaker 1: some real first happening. When it comes to this war,

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Speaker 1: and the war is progressing frankly, at an utterly staggering,

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Speaker 1: staggering pace. Everyone in the in the American brass from

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Speaker 1: came to sets to the President United States, the Commander

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Speaker 1: in Chief himself saying that this operation is proceeding apace

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Speaker 1: and that it is going very, very very well that we.

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Speaker 2: Are way, way, way ahead.

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Speaker 1: Of schedule, and so it is so it is we

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Speaker 1: see the mass, we see just the sheer number of

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Speaker 1: Iranian assets. There are now at least ten to eleven

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Speaker 1: Iranian vessels, if not more than that, that have been sunk.

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Speaker 1: The Iranian Air Force really is no more. Hexaths saying

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Speaker 1: in slightly tongue in cheek fashion at the press conference

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Speaker 1: this morning at the Pentagon that the Iranian Air Force

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Speaker 1: was built in nine ninety six and was destroyed in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, thirty years later. So the Iran military

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Speaker 1: is being seriously degraded. A lot of the Iranian blissed

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Speaker 1: missile sites, the air defense has been overwhelmingly degraded already

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Speaker 1: at this hour, especially in the softer underbelly of the

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Speaker 1: western side of the country near the border with Iraq.

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Speaker 1: The western part of Iran also is where you have

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Speaker 1: this Kurdish minority, and apparently there are now talks about

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Speaker 1: arming the Kurds, something that a lot of folks thought

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Speaker 1: should have happened. Frankly back in the nineteen eighties or

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. They are some of the most anti regime

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Speaker 1: ethnic minorities. They are in the broader country of Iran,

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Speaker 1: and not entirely clear exactly who is arming the Kurds,

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Speaker 1: but Americans or American vetted people seem to be doing

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Speaker 1: some One of the narratives that we simply must push

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Speaker 1: back on is this notion that this war is not

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Speaker 1: popular and that is tearing Donald Trump's coalition. Part. Let's

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Speaker 1: be clear, the polls for the American people at large

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Speaker 1: indeed are very split.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: I've seen some poles that are actually fifty to fifty

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Speaker 1: right down the middle. That there are half the country

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Speaker 1: that's for this war, half the country that opposes the

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Speaker 1: more relevant question. And you hear this from a lots

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Speaker 1: of you know, you know who they are, the Tuckers,

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Speaker 1: the Megans, the Canna says. They say, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: this is not what I voted for? Really, is this

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Speaker 1: really not what you voted for? Donald Trump back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty didn't interview back when he was just a

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Speaker 1: New York City playboy and said that Jimmy Carter should

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Speaker 1: use the US military more aggressively to go in and

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Speaker 1: rescue the Americans who were taken hostage at the US

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Speaker 1: embassy in Tehran. He has been sounding the same tune

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Speaker 1: on Iran for nearly fifty years. In his very first

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Speaker 1: speech down the Gilded Escalator a Trump Tower in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: he said, Iran is evil and they cannot get a

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapon. By the way, just a few days after

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election, if you recall, the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice actually indicted, actually indicted an individual who was

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Speaker 1: planning to assassinate Donald Trump, acting on behalf of the malls,

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Speaker 1: on behalf of the IRGC.

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Speaker 2: That individual was just anounced.

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Speaker 1: Through over the past twenty four hours, give or take,

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Speaker 1: he's out. Israel killed him. Get another example that they say, oh,

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Speaker 1: what does America get from new is Israel alliance? Okay,

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Speaker 1: well that's a pretty clear example as to what you get.

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Speaker 1: Pete Hegsath actually, for what it's worth, at this prescott

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Speaker 1: this morning, going out of his way, out of his

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Speaker 1: way to praise the junior partner in this binational campaign,

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Speaker 1: the Israelis hexits say time and time again that they

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Speaker 1: have been amazingly effective there, that they are top professionals.

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Speaker 1: He actually one point referred to the US Air Force

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Speaker 1: and the Israeli Air Force as the world's two greatest

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Speaker 1: air forces, which maybe that's true. I mean, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of slap in the face to China. So let's go actually,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and play Ciff three. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and listen to Pete heggsat talking this morning about the

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Speaker 1: idea of relationship with the US military.

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Speaker 3: To our steadfast partner, Israel, your mission is being executed

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Speaker 3: with unmatched skill and iron determination. Fighting shoulder to shoulder

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Speaker 3: with such a capable ally is a true force multiplier

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Speaker 3: and a breath of fresh air. We salute your courage

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Speaker 3: and your contribution. Four days in, we have only just

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Speaker 3: begun to fight.

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Speaker 1: And this really goes against some of the narrative that

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Speaker 1: has been building over the past few days. So the

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Speaker 1: narrative began on Monday. It's art circularly on Monday, off

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Speaker 1: the weekend. They come back a Monday there and they

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Speaker 1: start saying that this is Israel's war. Oh stammy, if

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Speaker 1: you've heard this one before. Tel Aviv controls the state departments.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all all these conspiracy theories that have been

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Speaker 1: flowing around for fifty sixty seven years now reaching their

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Speaker 1: apex due to the staggering operational success thus far of

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Speaker 1: this binational operation against the terrorist Ronnie regime, a regime that,

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Speaker 1: according to its own ideology, refers to Israel as the

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Speaker 1: little Saint in America as the big Saint. They've been

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Speaker 1: doing that for forty seven years consistently. So this narrative

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Speaker 1: really picked up steam from Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly

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Speaker 1: aka the Doha Schill, and Grandma Groper herself. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and first listen to Tucker Carlson, the most

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Speaker 1: dangerous man in America. Let's listen to what Tucker said.

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Speaker 1: Let's play clip one of Tucker on Monday.

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Speaker 4: Did this tiny country convince the world's great superpower with

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Speaker 4: the greatest military in history to do its bidding in

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Speaker 4: a way that was going to hurt it? The most

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Speaker 4: obvious answer is because BB told the President of the

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Speaker 4: United States, you can join me or not, but I'm going.

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Speaker 4: And at that point you really only have choices get

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Speaker 4: on board or tell Israel now. And if they did it,

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Speaker 4: that would not protect us, because there are hundreds of

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Speaker 4: thousands of Americans in the Middle East, and they're also

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Speaker 4: the world's most important energy infrastructure. Now, of course, there's

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Speaker 4: a third theoretical option. You say no, and if you

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Speaker 4: do it, We're.

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Speaker 5: Gonna cut off aid.

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Speaker 4: But that was not even on the table. The last

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Speaker 4: president to do that is John F. Kennedy in nineteen

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Speaker 4: sixty two when he got in a dispute with the

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Speaker 4: founding Prime Minister of Israel, David Ben Gurion, over Israel's

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Speaker 4: nuclear program at Demona, and President Kennedy said, no, can't

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Speaker 4: keep testing, and I'm demanding inspections.

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Speaker 5: And of course he was not.

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Speaker 4: Able to make good on those promises because he was killed.

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Speaker 4: The truth is, and this is hard to say as

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Speaker 4: a proud American, but the United States didn't make the

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Speaker 4: decision here.

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Miniato did, all right, So TYM Carlton not so

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Speaker 1: subtly saying that Israel killed JFK. But let's hold leaf

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Speaker 1: now the day Grandma Groeper getting in on the action

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Speaker 1: as well. Here was men Kelly on the same day

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Speaker 1: on Monday.

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Speaker 6: My own feeling is, no one should have to die

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Speaker 6: for a foreign country. I don't think those four service

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Speaker 6: members died for the United States. I think they died

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Speaker 6: for Iran or for Israel. I think I understand how

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Speaker 6: this helps Iran perfectly well, I get it. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I hope long term we'll see, but they seem rather jubilant.

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Speaker 6: Eighty percent of the country does not support the Ayatola.

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Speaker 6: He was a terrible, terrible man. No one's crying that

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Speaker 6: he's dead, no normal person. But our government's job is

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Speaker 6: not to look out for Iran or for Israel. It's

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Speaker 6: to look out for us. And this feels very much

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Speaker 6: to me like it is clearly Israel's war.

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Speaker 2: Mark Levin wanted it.

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Speaker 6: It's his war, Ben Shapiro, Lindsay Graham, Maria Maddelson.

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Speaker 2: That's obvious.

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Speaker 7: Ah, yes, it's the Jews war. Llvin Shapiro, Rubin Hammer. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 7: they are the ones. Heck, maybe we are the ones.

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Speaker 7: According to these utter income poops who somehow have the

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Speaker 7: power to get Donald Trump to commence a massive war

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Speaker 7: on behalf of a tiny foreign country. Do you know

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Speaker 7: who does not agree with that? Because it is epic

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Speaker 7: epic bs. Oh yeah, Donald Trump himself, who was asked

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Speaker 7: about this at the White House on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Watch this one any questions please.

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Speaker 6: It's real force r added to launch the stressed against

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Speaker 6: the rock in the United States.

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Speaker 2: I might have forced their hands. You see, we were having.

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Speaker 8: Negotiations with these lunatics and It was my opinion that

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Speaker 8: they were going to attack first. They were going to

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Speaker 8: attack if we didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: They were going to attack first.

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Speaker 8: I felt strongly about that. And we have great negotiators,

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Speaker 8: great people, people that do this very successfully and have

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Speaker 8: done it all their lives, very successful, and based on

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Speaker 8: the way the negotiation was going, I think they were

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Speaker 8: going to attack first, and I didn't want that to happen. So,

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Speaker 8: if anything, I might have forced Israel's hand.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't be clear about this, Mark Rubio, Pete Hegseth,

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Speaker 1: They're all saying the exact same thing. What Tucker, Carls

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Speaker 1: is Me and Kelly are actually saying, if they had

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Speaker 1: any if they were some of the scummiest cowards on

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Speaker 1: the phase of the Earth, what they would actually say

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Speaker 1: is that Donald Trump is a liar, that Mark Rubio

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Speaker 1: is a liar, that Pete Hegseth is a liar. Jd

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Speaker 1: Vance liar. That's what they're actually saying, if they had

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Speaker 1: the courage of their convictions. That's what they would actually say,

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Speaker 1: pretty much close to verbatim. They don't say that because

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Speaker 1: they are cowards, because they simply don't have the backbone

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Speaker 1: to actually complete the logic and finish the circle. It's

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Speaker 1: utterly backcraf insane. The notion that the president unized States

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Speaker 1: can we be talked by any foreign power to put

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Speaker 1: the US monitorans action is crazy. This operation was apparently

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Speaker 1: Report Wall Street, Drowmeion Times. They were talking about it

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Speaker 1: for months, months and months, the Kushner Wickoff negotiations. Turns out,

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Speaker 1: as many of us suspected, it was a decalling. It

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Speaker 1: was a red herring, a told distraction all along. Yes,

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Speaker 1: maybe there was a final reason. It turns out because

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Speaker 1: us for Rich Goldberg, welcome back. So it is Ron

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Speaker 1: thing or two you might say about the country of Iran.

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Speaker 1: Rich Goldberg is a senior advisor at FDD, the Foundation

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Speaker 1: for Defensive Democracies, just finished a stint earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: as well working on energy policy in the Trump administration. So, Rich,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Josh Hammers Show. We really do

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Before getting into some more granular details, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about endgame and things like that. There,

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Speaker 1: give us just your higher level assessments of what we

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Speaker 1: have seen here.

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Speaker 2: It's truly historic stuff.

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Speaker 1: A lot of folks, I think who are alive today,

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Speaker 1: who have devoted large swaths of the professional lives as

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Speaker 1: you have to this country to this tyrannical regime. I

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Speaker 1: think there was a question to whether or not we

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Speaker 1: actually would see this concerted effort in the first place.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 1: So, are you surprised that it happened at all? Your

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Speaker 1: surprises that have happened. Now, give us just your higher

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Speaker 1: level assessments to start us off.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not surprised at all. The President has been

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Speaker 10: pretty clear and determined in not allowing this regime to

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Speaker 10: acquire nuclear weapons, and it was clear that after thirty

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Speaker 10: two thousand people or more were mass murder in the streets,

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Speaker 10: seeing millions come out to the street, it's the largest

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Speaker 10: uprising in the history of the Lamak Republic of Iran,

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Speaker 10: the largest use of violence against the people thereafter while

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Speaker 10: breaking every red line the President had set since last

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Speaker 10: year of don't try to reconstitute your nuclear program, don't

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Speaker 10: continue to try to advance your advanced missile program while

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Speaker 10: they continue to sponsor terrorism and try to destroy the

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Speaker 10: United States, align with China, align with Russia. All of

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Speaker 10: these things put together, it would be obvious to me

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Speaker 10: the President would want something like this to finally remove

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Speaker 10: this forty seven year threat that we have to deal

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Speaker 10: with on an almost monthly basis, that bogs us down

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Speaker 10: in the Middle East, that distracts US from dealing with China,

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Speaker 10: that could threaten US directly with long range missiles and

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Speaker 10: nuclear weapons and their terrorism and assassination plots, while still

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Speaker 10: giving every potential for that regime to change along the

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Speaker 10: way and accept deals at the table. And of course,

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Speaker 10: you know the regime you're dealing with a state sponsor

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Speaker 10: of terrorism radical Islamis. Shockingly, they said no, they actually

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Speaker 10: did want the nuclear way, and so not surprised that

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Speaker 10: we're here. I am incredibly surprised. You know, you shouldn't

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Speaker 10: be surprised at this point after seeing such spectacular things,

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Speaker 10: particularly from our allies, the Israelis over the last couple

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Speaker 10: of years. But the coordination between the United States and

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Speaker 10: Israel unprecedented, the value proposition, the return on investment, demonstration

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Speaker 10: of a close democratic ally forward to the threat that

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Speaker 10: can perfect its intelligence apparatus to detect threats to the

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Speaker 10: United States, not just to themselves. Know it so well

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Speaker 10: that you'd be able to strike and decapitate the Supreme

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Speaker 10: Leader and the top officials of Iran and just continue

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Speaker 10: from there, just breathtaking, and then be able to conduct

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Speaker 10: aerial operations the kind we haven't seen so many decades,

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Speaker 10: in a coordinated fashion without public military exercises. Why, because

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Speaker 10: we have a partner ship with Israel where we benefit

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Speaker 10: from their intelligence, we benefit from their defense innovation, but

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Speaker 10: we also benefit from the fact that they buy our

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Speaker 10: main battle platforms. These are US jets in the skies

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Speaker 10: with Israeli pilots talking to our jets. They're able to

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Speaker 10: computer systems are able to work together to deconflict, to

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Speaker 10: do targeting and intelligence sharing in real time dynamic targeting.

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Speaker 10: This is unprecedented between our two countries. It's why I

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Speaker 10: think the administration calls Israel our model ally and so far,

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Speaker 10: I would say in the early days we saw the

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Speaker 10: update from General Kin, the Chairman of Jointed Chiefs, Secretary Hegseth.

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Speaker 10: The focus on the greatest external threats to the United States,

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Speaker 10: to the region, to oil infrastructure is where we are

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Speaker 10: methodically degrading their capabilities missiles, launchers, drones, their naval assets,

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Speaker 10: all of that being either degraded severely or wiped out,

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Speaker 10: and the ability now potentially to start owning the skies

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Speaker 10: over Iran. Going deeper into Iran with strikes really does

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Speaker 10: set up the potential that we may in the weeks

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Speaker 10: ahead see this regime collapse and an opportunity for the

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Speaker 10: people to take this country back and become a partner

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Speaker 10: to the United States, not a lifetime enemy.

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Speaker 1: You can vout Rich Goldberg on x at Rich Underscore

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Speaker 1: Goldberg so rich that it takes me very nicely to

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Speaker 1: my next question actually which is what is the actual

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Speaker 1: endgame here, what needs to happen in order for the

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Speaker 1: United States for Truministration to say that this was a

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Speaker 1: successful operation. There's been some confusion when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the exact messaging on this. Certainly there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: rhetoric about the decapitation of the Asonda Revolutionary Guard Corps,

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Speaker 1: the decapitation of the ballistic missile program, the decapitation or

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Speaker 1: at least the substance we setting back of the nuclear

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Speaker 1: All of that is part of the equation here. But

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Speaker 1: is there a crisp marker that we can pinpoint and say, Aha,

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Speaker 1: if that is what actually happens here, then this operation

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Speaker 1: will be successful on its own terms.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 10: I think at every stage there will be metrics where

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Speaker 10: you could say that if Iran has no air defenses

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Speaker 10: left after this conflict, and we own the skies forever,

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Speaker 10: and we ever detect a threat building and we can

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Speaker 10: go send a missile and hit it any time and

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Speaker 10: take it out without fear for our jets or naval forces.

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Speaker 10: If their ability to hold the Strait of Hormuz the

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Speaker 10: Gulf is degraded for a significant amount of time through

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Speaker 10: missiles and drones that are what you're seeing right now.

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Speaker 10: Hopefully by the end state cannot happen again for a

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Speaker 10: long long time. That those are all good things for

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Speaker 10: the United States. Remember almost half of China's imported oil

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Speaker 10: comes through the Strait of Hormuz. Long term, they want

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Speaker 10: Iran to be a threat to the United States. They

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Speaker 10: want to see things like this happen when the United

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Speaker 10: States tries to stand up for our own interests, because

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Speaker 10: it means in a war over Taiwan, we would be

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Speaker 10: deterred potentially if you didn't have Donald Trump in office

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Speaker 10: from doing anything to stop their oil coming out of

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Speaker 10: the Strait of Horrmuz. And so that's why you see

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Speaker 10: the Chinese have a great interest here. So if you're

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Speaker 10: degrading their missiles, if they're years and years and years

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Speaker 10: away now decades from being able to have in your

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Speaker 10: continental ballistic missile. If they have closed all paths for

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Speaker 10: years upon years upon years to have a nuclear weapon,

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Speaker 10: all good news to the United States. It doesn't get

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Speaker 10: us to the optimble end goal. Remember, they'll still be

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Speaker 10: the radical Islamis who want to have death to America

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Speaker 10: be the policy, not just a slogan. They'll still be

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Speaker 10: sponsoring terrorism. They will over time rebuild these capabilities. Not tomorrow,

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Speaker 10: not next year hopefully, but over time unless you continue

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Speaker 10: to control the airspace and deny shipments and do your

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Speaker 10: best the way the Israelis have tried to do in

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Speaker 10: Lebanon with Hesbla and other places where you've seen that,

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Speaker 10: but you see over time that does work against your advantage.

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Speaker 10: So regime collapse and transition to a regime that is

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Speaker 10: not opposed the United States, that is actually allied to

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Speaker 10: the United States and can live peacefully in the region

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Speaker 10: and not do all these bad things that the current

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Speaker 10: regime does would be the optimal end date. But I

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Speaker 10: think we should also be realistic that if that does

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Speaker 10: not occur, all of those things along the way will

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Speaker 10: be incredibly beneficial to the US national security, especially as

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Speaker 10: we face down China and a potential conflict twenty twenty

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Speaker 10: eight and beyond. Iran will not be the threat that

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Speaker 10: it is today to pin us down in the Middle

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Speaker 10: East when we need to be focused on the end

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Speaker 10: of Pacific.

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Speaker 1: I could agree with you more. And this is actually

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Speaker 1: an underdscussed aspect of this conversation. A lot of folks

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Speaker 1: are saying, oh, this is a big distraction from America's

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Speaker 1: overwhelming interest in the Indo Pacific. Actually, I viewed as

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Speaker 1: quite the opposite to me. By removing the oil supplies

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Speaker 1: of Venezuela and Iran to the Chinese Commuist party, actually

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Speaker 1: you are actually greasing the skis for a more robust,

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Speaker 1: easy ability, actually for America to focus in greater force

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Speaker 1: and greater focus on our Chinese arch folks. That's personally

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Speaker 1: how I do rich Just about a minut or so

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Speaker 1: left here. But on yesterdays show we had a Mike

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Speaker 1: Duran of Hudsontitude and another Iran expert friend of the

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Speaker 1: show as well. I asked Mi to put on his

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Speaker 1: prognostication hack and just make kind of a crude prediction,

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Speaker 1: as too will actually be running the show in Iran

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Speaker 1: a year from now. He said, the two most likely

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Speaker 1: options are a less radical member of the IRGC or

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Speaker 1: just a civil war of sorts.

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Speaker 2: Is that how you see it?

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Speaker 1: During you slightly more optimistic putting on your prediction head, I'd.

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Speaker 10: Be slightly more optimistic.

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Speaker 5: Either.

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Speaker 10: We have not been able to bring about regime collapse

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Speaker 10: and therefore they have designated some new supreme leader, they

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Speaker 10: try to rebuild where they were and they go forward

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Speaker 10: from there with whatever half shell they are, or we

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Speaker 10: are in some sort of a transition, and at that

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Speaker 10: point you are trying to avoid a Balkanization, you're trying

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Speaker 10: to avoid any sort of civil war. And I think

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Speaker 10: the people of Iran are actually mostly in favor of

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Speaker 10: territorial integrity, used to going to election, even if they're

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Speaker 10: sham elections, and it might not be as hard as

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Speaker 10: we think to keep that country together.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well they have folks.

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Speaker 1: Rich Goldberg, a man who knows a thing or two,

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Speaker 1: been saying so many times a memory if memory serves

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Speaker 1: by the Irani regime there, who I'm sure is quite

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Speaker 1: happy to see only cow Many meets his maker and

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Speaker 1: shall we say, have some questions probably to answer when

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Speaker 1: he when he goes ahead and meets his maker. You

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Speaker 1: can follow Rich on x at Rich Underscore Goldberg, Senior

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Speaker 1: Advisor at FDD Foundation for Defensive Democracy's Rich. We really

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Speaker 1: appreach you, my friends. Thank you for talking about Josh Shammerschaf.

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know this puts point, folks about this pivot to China.

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Speaker 1: It's so easy to get lost and shuffled.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: This actually aids.

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Speaker 1: It aids America's greater focus on China. That's a detail

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Speaker 1: that is really getting lost in this conversation with something

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Speaker 1: Goldberg of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, which is

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Speaker 1: the question of China, the situation in Iran, Operation Epic

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Speaker 1: Fury as they continue there is going to give Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump tremendous, tremendous leverage when it comes to his upcoming

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Speaker 1: meeting with Shi Jimping, a meaning that is set to

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Speaker 1: happen in the very near future. You don't think that

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Speaker 1: Shi Jimping, the authoritarian ruler of China, the most powerful

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Speaker 1: ruler in the modern Chinese countis Party of since Mao

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Speaker 1: Zedun himself, you don't think that Shei jimping is looking

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Speaker 1: at what the United States is doing in demolishing the

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Speaker 1: Islamist tinpot theocracy in Iran and he is having second

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Speaker 1: thoughts about sending in his military, the People's Liberation Army

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Speaker 1: can try to seize Taiwan. Really, you don't think that,

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Speaker 1: of course he is. Of course he is. It's not

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Speaker 1: just that, it's what we were saying, what rich and

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Speaker 1: I were saying. This is Venezuela and Iran two of

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Speaker 1: the largest petroleum, oil and natural gas suppliers to China,

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Speaker 1: a very large and popular country that needs a lot

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Speaker 1: of energy, and they got it from places like Venezuela

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Speaker 1: and Iran, certainly Russia as well. So all of this

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Speaker 1: provides the United States with tremendous, tremendous leverage there. You

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Speaker 1: are not distracting from the twenty first century focus on

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Speaker 1: America's great geopolitical rival in China, Kins Party, You're actually

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Speaker 1: doing a service and allow the United States to actually

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Speaker 1: better position its assets and it's economic focus, it's trade

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Speaker 1: all the above when it comes to trying to better

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Speaker 1: protector interest when it comes to China. So look a

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Speaker 1: lot more happening, big primary results happening across the country

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Speaker 1: last night. Again, it's very easy to get super bogged

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Speaker 1: down in the Iron Staff. It is the biggest gamble,

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Speaker 1: as we were saying earlier of Donald Trump's an entire

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Speaker 1: presidency today, a lot to impact. They are pretty much

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Speaker 1: all around. But there are a lot of big primaries

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Speaker 1: happening all across the country last night, this up and coming.

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Speaker 1: You know they're calling gam basically a woke Billy Graham

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Speaker 1: that this poser, James Tallerico did decisively defeat Jasmine Crockett

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Speaker 1: in the much watch Texas Democratic primary for the US

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Speaker 1: Senate seat. They are in Texas. Now, I might be saying, Josh,

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Speaker 1: why do we care about who wins the Senate Democratic

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Speaker 1: primary in the lone star say a text after is

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Speaker 1: a red state, and so it is, and so it is.

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Speaker 1: It looked briefly for a snippet there that there was

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Speaker 1: possibly a moment where a Texas could potentially turn purple back.

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Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, for instance, Ted Cruz only won his

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Speaker 1: Senate race against Beato O'Rourke by under three points two

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Speaker 1: point seven points, give or take, but by the time

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump was winning his second term in the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election over Kamala Harris, Texas was going

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Speaker 1: read by double digit margins. Yet again, there certainly the

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Speaker 1: most recent stay with margins for governors like Greg Abbott

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Speaker 1: have been very strong.

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Speaker 2: Notably, one of the officials.

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Speaker 1: In Texas who had a less wide margin of victory

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Speaker 1: the last time that he won reelection was Ken Paxton.

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Speaker 1: Ken Paxt him is the scandal ridden, albeit very right wing,

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Speaker 1: certainly very aggressively conservative, very aggressively pro Trump, but the

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Speaker 1: nonetheless scandal plagued Attorney General Ken Paxton did win by

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Speaker 1: a notably statistically significantly smaller margin of victory the last

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Speaker 1: time he was off for reelection in Texas compared to

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Speaker 1: Greg Abbott, for instance, compared to sting to Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: winning margin over com Will Harris. Why is Ken Paxson relevant? Well,

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Speaker 1: Ken Paxton is now heading to a runoff in the

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Speaker 1: US Senate race against John Cornyn, the longtime incumbents there.

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz is fellow center from the lone Star States.

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Speaker 1: I am not a big fan of John Cornyn at all. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think that Texas, frankly Ken and should do a

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Speaker 1: lot better than John Cornyn. The counter argument is that

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Speaker 1: this seat actually could be lost if you nominate someone

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Speaker 1: with as much baggage and as as much scandals surround

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Speaker 1: him as Ken Paxon, if nothing else a bare minimum,

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Speaker 1: if Cornan ends up losing this runoff to Paxton, then

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Speaker 1: the runoff will be about two and a half months

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Speaker 1: from now, in late May. So it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: lot of resources, you know, flowing into the to the

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Speaker 1: lone star state already over the next two months in

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Speaker 1: advances run off. If Packson wins this runoff, then at minimum,

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Speaker 1: at minimum, the NRSC and various other outside supporting super

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Speaker 1: PACs will have to apply a lot of cash, a

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Speaker 1: lot of cash to flood the airwaves there in Texas

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Speaker 1: to get Ken Paxon across the finish line in the

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Speaker 1: general elections November. Over this woke Billy Graham idiot James

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Speaker 1: Taller Rico, Whereas that money could be better deployed in

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Speaker 1: places like Georgia trying to topple John Assoff, trying to

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Speaker 1: win seats like North Carolina tried to keep the Tom

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Speaker 1: Tillis seat in Republican hands ideally upgrade from Tom Tillis,

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Speaker 1: who kind of stinks, to be honest with you. Michael Wattley,

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Speaker 1: the former R and C chairman, winning handily, winning easily

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Speaker 1: the nomination for US Senate. He will go up against

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Speaker 1: the very popular former Democrat Governor North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Roy Cooper.

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Speaker 1: So it's a very very interesting conundrum that Texans are

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Speaker 1: faced with. Here you have John Cornyan who is a

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Speaker 1: total squish, who is awful on the Secondmendment, awful on guns,

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Speaker 1: has historically been very weak on immigration. There he is,

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Speaker 1: He's a Chamber of Commerce Rhightino. Okay, let's just call

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Speaker 1: it like it is there. Frankly, he actually was a

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Speaker 1: better justice. He actually used to be on the Texas

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court John corn before going to be a senator.

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Speaker 1: He publishly stated in the ji Yary he was probably

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Speaker 1: a better judge than he is a politician. The question

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Speaker 1: that Texans face is is it worth it? Is it

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Speaker 1: worth it to roll the dice with Ken Paxton. I

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Speaker 1: probably would say the answer is yes, personally, But I

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Speaker 1: think that is a closer call than various other MAGA

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Speaker 1: enthusiasts are saying. For the very simple reason that you're

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Speaker 1: talking here about finite resources and money that could easily

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Speaker 1: go elsewhere, query whether it would be better serve elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: But as a format text myself, I want to se

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Speaker 1: John Corny go go away for a very very long time,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see that happens. Dan Crenshaw another guy, by

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Speaker 1: the way, that is going away. Dan Crenshaw, the the

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Speaker 1: controversial congressman from the broader Houston, Texas area, lost decisively

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Speaker 1: in his primary last night to a state legislator by

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Speaker 1: the name of Steve Toft. Steve Toff have been endorsed

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Speaker 1: by Ted Cruz, Dan Crenshaw, who has found himself at

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Speaker 1: odds at loggerheads with various MAGA people for many years now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not personally too upset to see Dan Crenshaw go away.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what Steve Toff looks like when he gets

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Speaker 1: to Congress and what is a pretty safe red seat

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Speaker 1: The big upshot to me, though, just surveying the field

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Speaker 1: from the primaries is just to underscore the message they've

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Speaker 1: been preaching here the show for many months now, which

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Speaker 1: is economy, economy, economy, Iran is hot right now, and

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Speaker 1: it's a big gamle. It's a really big gamble. As

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Speaker 1: we discussed earlier as well, the magabase is very very

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Speaker 1: united behind Donald Trump there. But when it comes to

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Speaker 1: trying to reach these swing voters, should the ADS this

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Speaker 1: fall lead with Iran? Probably not. The ADS frankly should

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Speaker 1: lead with that already viral clip from the Stay of

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Speaker 1: the Union address where you saw Democrats refuse to stand

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Speaker 1: for US citizens over illegal aliens. Those are the kind

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Speaker 1: of things above all that resonate with the median voter

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Speaker 1: at home. Talk about what you were doing to reduce

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Speaker 1: energy prices. Talk about the fact that it is due

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Speaker 1: to the genius of American oil and natural gas drilling,

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Speaker 1: this drill baby drill campaign LNG exports in the United States.

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Speaker 1: That is why the price of oil and natural gas

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Speaker 1: have not risen any more than they have since the

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Speaker 1: war currently started in the Middle East. There so a

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Speaker 1: lot of good inside that can be gleaned from Tuesday

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Speaker 1: nights elections. When it comes to Republicans what they should

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Speaker 1: be focus on on the trail this fall. Another thing

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Speaker 1: to focus on is the issue of of Democrat fraud.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily the number one issue, but it certainly plays

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Speaker 1: into the broader narrative of fiscal profilacy and negligence and scandal.

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Speaker 1: There was a hearing on the Capitol on Capitol Hill

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Speaker 1: very very quickly he was there, Keith Ellison was there,

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Speaker 1: and various other Minnesota officials were there, called in to

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Speaker 1: testify from the House to essentially answer the questions as

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Speaker 1: to what the heck happened to these billions and billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars in federal taxpayer money that has gone into

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Speaker 1: Smali fraudsters' hands. So this is another winning issue for

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Speaker 1: Republicans because it hits at the intersection the nexus of

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Speaker 1: fiscal proflacy and decent capable self governance. Also, questions of immigration,

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Speaker 1: Somali immigration, guess what not popular? We shouldn't have any

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Speaker 1: of it. Zero zero Islamic immigration in general, how about that.

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Speaker 1: That's a total no brainer. So these are the no

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Speaker 1: brainer policies. Who knows what the state of the Iran

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Speaker 1: operation will be as we get closer to November, or

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Speaker 1: God willing, it will be in the rear view mirror

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Speaker 1: by then, hopefully, frankly a lot sooner than then and there.

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Speaker 1: But these primaries ault last night are just another reminder

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Speaker 1: that James Carville, who was a Parsan Democrats, he really

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Speaker 1: did have it right all the many years when he

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Speaker 1: said it's the economy stupid, and so it is Republicans

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Speaker 1: as well, trying to maintain control of the House and

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Speaker 1: Senate this fall. Folks, have a great rest of your union.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed today's show. As always, I'm Josh Hammer

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Speaker 1: signing off. We'll see you right back here tomorrow