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Speaker 1: And this week, two hundred and fifty one years ago

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Speaker 1: He's not on any money, David, He's not on any

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think maybe in Virginia they know him a

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Speaker 1: what Patrick Henry was saying, because up until then, everyone

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's really credited with that exclamation point. It

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And David, if I can just take a quick

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what you know. One one sup

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Speaker 1: But and the critical thing about what Patrick Henry did

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Speaker 2: They They are, you know more than ever. You know,

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Speaker 2: digital engagement does matter. It's I don't use it'll be

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Speaker 2: If let me put it this way, if a lot

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Speaker 1: Well, and let me just say this, you know all

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Speaker 1: of the toolkits that you're talking about at a two

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Speaker 1: didn't know there was a backslash Larry. That's very exciting.

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Speaker 1: So go there, you know, specifically for the tools that

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Speaker 2: But I got it. Let's be real here.

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Speaker 1: All of these tools and all of these initiatives and

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Speaker 1: There's way more money on the other side. There's other

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean well organized. I we never underestimate our opponents.

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Speaker 2: And there are people out there we've seen elected office,

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, there's I mean just but but

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Speaker 1: He got the ball rolling and look what happened. Here

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Speaker 1: get it done. Yes, they're powerful, they're organized, they got money,

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Speaker 1: but we got a two fifty toolkit. Dot com slash

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Speaker 1: Larry is what we've got and that's how I get

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Speaker 1: things going. All right, David, thanks for Dred. I love

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Speaker 1: he did, this speech, he did the birthday and everyone

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Speaker 1: It's actually a very cool thing. Although these days in Richmond, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: All Right, David, thank you for that. Appreciate it.