WEBVTT - Is Marriage Really Work?

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<v Speaker 1>On today's episode of Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, doctor Prager, your wisdom and your sage advice

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<v Speaker 2>that I have been listening to for months and months

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<v Speaker 2>and years. Finally today I'll let you know how much

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's very kind. Really, it touches me. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, for the record, I'm not a doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>Just for the.

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<v Speaker 1>Record, that's coming up on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>Well it's Wednesday, so it's the time for the Male

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<v Speaker 3>Female Hour, the most honest talk I am aware of

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<v Speaker 3>about men and women. And part of the reason is

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not inhibited about talking about any aspect of male

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<v Speaker 3>female relations. And I am neither a fan of men

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<v Speaker 3>or a fan of women. I don't even know understand

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<v Speaker 3>that I understand being a fan of good people, male

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<v Speaker 3>or female. I truly am not a man fan, even

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<v Speaker 3>though I'm a man, and I'm truly not a woman fan,

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<v Speaker 3>even though I'm a man, I don't know what there

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<v Speaker 3>is to root for in either case. Terrific people exist

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<v Speaker 3>of either sex and awful people exist of either sex,

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<v Speaker 3>and there are only two sexes for the record, even

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<v Speaker 3>if you redefine sex as gender. Well, my friends, I

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<v Speaker 3>have a new topic for you today. All of my life,

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<v Speaker 3>from before I ever got married, I heard the following

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<v Speaker 3>phrase marriage is work or marriage takes work? Right, the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing? Correct, Yeah, marriage takes work. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>one of those male female hours where you really provide

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<v Speaker 3>much of the content. Call in now. If you agree

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<v Speaker 3>that marriage is work, please call in, or if you

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<v Speaker 3>have any reaction to the phrase one eight prager seven

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<v Speaker 3>seven six eight seven seven two four three triple seven six.

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<v Speaker 3>When I heard it before I ever got married, I

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<v Speaker 3>always wanted to be prepared for life and not have

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<v Speaker 3>unrealistic quote unquote romantic unquote expectations. And I will just say,

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<v Speaker 3>if i'd have asked my parents, who were married six

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<v Speaker 3>nine years together for seventy three, if i'd have asked them,

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<v Speaker 3>would you characterize marriage as work? I didn't. I never

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<v Speaker 3>pose the question to them, so I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 3>for certain, but I'm pretty sure where they would have

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<v Speaker 3>said no. I mean, look, there is nothing in life

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<v Speaker 3>that you engage in that doesn't take work. So in

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<v Speaker 3>that sense, you know you might as well say staying

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<v Speaker 3>single takes work. Right. So the reason I'm raising it

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<v Speaker 3>is I had a a friend when he was a bachelor,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was a bachelor through his thirties, very good

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<v Speaker 3>looking guy, very He was charismatic and still is stillismatic

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<v Speaker 3>and obviously older, still a good looking guy. He eventually

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<v Speaker 3>got married, had two children, and then divorced. But I

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<v Speaker 3>remember him saying to me, He says, Dennis, everybody tells

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<v Speaker 3>me marriages work. Why would I want to get married

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<v Speaker 3>If marriage is work. I work all day. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to come home and work. I'll never forget his

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<v Speaker 3>arguing that. I'll continue in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi everybody, Dennis Prager here a male female hour. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>addressing the issue, and I'm relying on your calling and

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<v Speaker 3>philosophizing about it. The the statement, oh, well, religion it

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<v Speaker 3>takes a lot of work. Not religion. Sorry, I have

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<v Speaker 3>a reason that I said religion, But i'll I will

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<v Speaker 3>or will not get to that later. A marriage takes work.

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<v Speaker 3>Marriage is work. Manage takes work. So I had this

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<v Speaker 3>bachelor friend who was very popular among women, and he

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<v Speaker 3>said to me, I got married years before he did.

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<v Speaker 3>And he said to me frequently, he said, Dennis, everybody

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<v Speaker 3>who's married, or virtually everybody says to me, marriage is work. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I work all day. I don't want to come home

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<v Speaker 3>and work. Never forgets saying that, And it was not

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<v Speaker 3>a not a ridiculous argument. I work at the office,

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<v Speaker 3>and now I come home and I work again. What

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<v Speaker 3>do you say to the what do you say to

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<v Speaker 3>the guy? Now? So he there is, of course, there

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<v Speaker 3>are any number that is, are any number of responses.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, everything takes work. Everything video games don't

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<v Speaker 3>take work. It's a it's just play. I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, that is what a fair number

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<v Speaker 3>of apparently young men are opting to do is play

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<v Speaker 3>video games and not work at marriage. And same with women.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not video games. Whatever it is for them, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, taking taking care of a pet, or engaging

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<v Speaker 3>in some social cause. I don't I don't know whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it might be. So one answer to marriage takes work?

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<v Speaker 3>Is what doesn't take work? Seriously, what doesn't work takes work? And,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, is that invalidate work because it is work?

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<v Speaker 3>Would any there are people, i imagine, would say it takes

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<v Speaker 3>too much work, my job takes too much work. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>take another job. But it would be an odd thing

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<v Speaker 3>for somebody to say, you know, work takes work. Right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>work takes work. That's why it's called work. But that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't invalidate the great use of work in people's lives.

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<v Speaker 3>For most people, work is a good thing. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>work doesn't necessarily mean outside of the house. Taking care

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<v Speaker 3>of a house is a hell of a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>work too. I mean, what doesn't take work? Sports takes

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<v Speaker 3>an incredible amount of work. How many how many people

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<v Speaker 3>who finally make it to the major leagues the National

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<v Speaker 3>Hockey League, the National Football League, Major League Baseball, and NFL, NBA,

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<v Speaker 3>how many people who finally get there? Goes I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>it's too much work. I'm leaving. So, even on the

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<v Speaker 3>face of it, the comment marriage takes work, the real

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<v Speaker 3>answer is so what. I have other thoughts on this, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>but that hardly invalidates marriage as a spectacularly good option

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<v Speaker 3>for your life. Let us say it does take work. Fine,

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<v Speaker 3>let us let us even say it does. What good

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<v Speaker 3>thing in life name one that doesn't take work, but that,

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<v Speaker 3>for whatever reason work taking work. That's okay. Children take

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of work. And if and if they if,

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<v Speaker 3>if it works out, if your kid turns out to

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<v Speaker 3>be a decent kid, well really decent adult, it was

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<v Speaker 3>worth it. Those what isn't Those who sew in the

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<v Speaker 3>tears will reap enjoy famous biblical phrase. So the comment

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<v Speaker 3>does not invalidate marriage. Everything takes work. But I have

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<v Speaker 3>another position as well, within the parameters of what work means.

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<v Speaker 3>The ideal I will acknowledge is that work, that marriage

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<v Speaker 3>not take that much work. My friends, from my friend

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<v Speaker 3>from many years ago, the bachelor, who said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I work all day. I don't want to come home

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<v Speaker 3>and work again, it was not a silly comment. If

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<v Speaker 3>your marriage is primarily work, I salute you for engaging

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<v Speaker 3>in that work. I commend you, I praise you. But

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that that is what marriage ideally is about.

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<v Speaker 3>It certainly is about working on oneself. That's true. The

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<v Speaker 3>human being finds it easier not to live with someone

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<v Speaker 3>than to live with someone. I'm just talking about on

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<v Speaker 3>the fulfilling what one wants aspect, not on the ultimate

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<v Speaker 3>happiness aspect. All right, let me let me go to

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<v Speaker 3>your calls here, let's see okay, mmmmmm, well all right.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob in Pasadena, California, Hello.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, devis Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, good glad to hear it.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for your show and you're wisdom.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>So anything you care about takes work, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>the amount of care will determine the amount of work

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<v Speaker 4>you put into it. Aglar case. You know, the marriage

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<v Speaker 4>had a lot of ups and downs. We hung in there,

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<v Speaker 4>and now we're, you know, forty two years later, rewarding,

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<v Speaker 4>rewarded with the benefit of the work and.

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<v Speaker 3>The patience, and what is the what is the reward?

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<v Speaker 4>We still have each other and we're closer than we

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<v Speaker 4>were because we got through the years of pride and

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<v Speaker 4>selfishness and became servants to each other. I asked my

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<v Speaker 4>uncle one time, why is your marriage so strong with

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<v Speaker 4>my aunt? And he said, I find out what she

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<v Speaker 4>wants and I insist on it. And he could say

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<v Speaker 4>that because she felt the same way about him. There

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<v Speaker 4>was a lot of humility and lack of pride in

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<v Speaker 4>that relationship, So I tried to remember that. I heard

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<v Speaker 4>that when I was much younger. It's not easy, but

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<v Speaker 4>good words and wisdom.

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<v Speaker 3>What percentage of your year is marriage wise easy and

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<v Speaker 3>what percentage is hard work?

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<v Speaker 4>Prior to a life changing accident in our relationship, I

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<v Speaker 4>would say it was fifty to fifty, But due to

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<v Speaker 4>my wife's current situation, it's it's humbled me, it's drawne

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<v Speaker 4>us closer together, it's put things in perspective what's really important,

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<v Speaker 4>And so now it's it's it's hard work, but the

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<v Speaker 4>relationship couldn't be closer.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it still fifty to fifty over the course of

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<v Speaker 3>a year.

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<v Speaker 4>No way, No, it's uh closer and easier.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, Well that that's that's what I obviously

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<v Speaker 3>was hoping to hear. Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting question.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been divorced, I've been and I'm very happily married.

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<v Speaker 3>Were together twenty years, so I really know what exists

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<v Speaker 3>in marriage. Believe me, I know all things considered easy

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<v Speaker 3>at home is better than difficult at home, I admit

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<v Speaker 3>is not a particularly profound insight. So I'm torn on

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<v Speaker 3>the issue. How much work as such? Should it take. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's worth it. But ideally it is an

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<v Speaker 3>easier marriage better than one that has to be worth

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<v Speaker 3>a back in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is the Male Female Hour, and I'm posing

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting question the phrase marriage is work? Where marriage

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<v Speaker 3>takes work? So what do you make of it? And

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<v Speaker 3>why do you answer a person who doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>get married, They say, you know, everybody who gets married

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<v Speaker 3>says it takes work. So I gave an answer, can

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<v Speaker 3>you can you name me anything worthwhile in life that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't take work? But admittedly I would I think, having

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<v Speaker 3>been in both types of marriages, that marriages that don't

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<v Speaker 3>take a lot of work and are good marriages, that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's the ideal. Obviously, you have to be aware at

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<v Speaker 3>all times of my my duties as a husband, my

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<v Speaker 3>duties as a wife. How can I how can I

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<v Speaker 3>make life easier for my my spouse? I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>all that's all accurate, but I think to see marriage

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<v Speaker 3>as primarily work. While I would still defend marriage and

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<v Speaker 3>hats off to those of you who engage in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the ideal is that its primary characteristic would

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<v Speaker 3>not be work, although for many people it is work

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<v Speaker 3>until it's less work. Like the caller earlier, it went

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<v Speaker 3>from fifty percent work, fifty percent NOTT work to while

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<v Speaker 3>I was at ninety percent not work. Okay, as usual,

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<v Speaker 3>I love hearing from you on these matters. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 3>see here, Joshua and Sacramento, California.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, Heay, how are you doing well?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm good. So I was thinking the benefits outweigh any

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<v Speaker 5>effort you put in marriage. So you're a lazy man

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<v Speaker 5>if you think it's not worth you try and to

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<v Speaker 5>have common ground with your spouse, your wife. So this

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<v Speaker 5>is of course after you've made the marriage valve. So

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<v Speaker 5>this is not dating. This is when you're in a

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<v Speaker 5>committed relationship. If it's before, I still think it's the

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<v Speaker 5>same thought process. But the difference is you can make

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<v Speaker 5>a choice if it's not worth it for you, but

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<v Speaker 5>once you made it, it's worth it. You know, let's

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<v Speaker 5>just be honest. If you don't, if you want to

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<v Speaker 5>be a lazy, then then don't commit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good line. If you want to be lazy,

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<v Speaker 3>don't commit. I would agree with that, all right, I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate it. Let's see any women calling in here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Monique in Los Angeles, Hello.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi Dennis, how are you good?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 7>So I think marriage is one hundred percent work, but

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<v Speaker 7>it's not tedious work.

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<v Speaker 6>It's daily work.

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<v Speaker 5>It's daily communication.

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<v Speaker 7>I kind of liken it to my hair. I wash

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<v Speaker 7>my hair, I condition my hair, I cut my hair,

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<v Speaker 7>I color my hair, I style it, I brush it.

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<v Speaker 7>If I don't do anything to my hair on a

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<v Speaker 7>daily basis, over time it will become very matted and

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<v Speaker 7>difficult to deal with, and my options will be to

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<v Speaker 7>cut it off or have a really bad head of hair.

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<v Speaker 7>So in we're in marriage, if you just do the

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<v Speaker 7>daily things of communicating and loving and caring and nurturing,

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<v Speaker 7>you don't end up with those big mats of hair

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<v Speaker 7>that you can't taint. It's it's really rather easy.

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<v Speaker 3>But it is what I like that marriage. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>saying this is a joke. It's just a new way

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<v Speaker 3>of looking at it. Marriage. Taking care of your marriage

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<v Speaker 3>is like taking care of your hair, especially for a woman. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a very excellent point. The fact that it takes

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<v Speaker 3>work to keep your hair looking good, or for that matter,

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<v Speaker 3>it takes work to stay looking good after you're a

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<v Speaker 3>certain age. Obviously takes much less work when you're younger.

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<v Speaker 3>It is true, but it is not invalidating. It just

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<v Speaker 3>means with work, you're going to get a reward. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>thinking this through as I speak to you, and I

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<v Speaker 3>realize whereas I'm of the opinion as I said earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>that all things being equal, I would rather go home

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<v Speaker 3>to an easy place to be than a place of work.

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<v Speaker 3>But having said that, it is definitely worth the work

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<v Speaker 3>to work on a marriage. That is absolutely correct. But

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<v Speaker 3>I did hint at something else earlier, and that is

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<v Speaker 3>working on yourself. Whatever the joy or work in a

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<v Speaker 3>given marriage, there is still working on yourself. Men still

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<v Speaker 3>have to discipline their sexual nature in order to keep

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<v Speaker 3>their marriage for that matter, not just keep their marriage happy.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be an example. It is not the same

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<v Speaker 3>struggle for women. Women have different struggles. That is usually

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<v Speaker 3>not the same struggle. And it is amazing how people

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<v Speaker 3>want to deny it. But I've lived with that fact

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<v Speaker 3>much of my life, that people want to deny basic truths.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's see Patsy in Greenville, South Carolina. Hello,

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<v Speaker 3>he did it. Hi.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, I don't think it's work.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't think it's work.

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<v Speaker 8>No, it's if if you you have to have commitment, respect, patience,

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<v Speaker 8>and kindness, And that's not work.

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<v Speaker 3>Well to be to be precise, it's work on yourself

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<v Speaker 3>to attain those To attain those qualities takes takes effort.

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<v Speaker 8>God takes care of it. Though you're just getting his words.

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<v Speaker 8>You'll have those things. It just is so natural.

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<v Speaker 5>It just is a joy.

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<v Speaker 8>To live that way. And when you give those things,

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<v Speaker 8>you get them back.

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<v Speaker 3>Generally speaking, if you're married to a healthy and decent person,

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<v Speaker 3>you will back in a moment. So I've been bringing

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<v Speaker 3>to your attention a weight loss program. I've only endorsed

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<v Speaker 3>one on my show, and I've been asked often, but

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<v Speaker 3>I did once have a weight loss product. But this

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<v Speaker 3>is a program. It's called PhD Weight Loss and Nutrition.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're watching the show as opposed to just listening,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll see on the screen actual results of people who

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<v Speaker 3>have embarked on the program. The program gives you a coach.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is an extremely important thing, monitoring your

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<v Speaker 3>progress or for that matter, lack of progress, And it

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<v Speaker 3>is a way of eating. It's not just weight loss.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why it's called weight loss and nutrition. I think

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<v Speaker 3>you should schedule a one on one consult see if

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<v Speaker 3>loss dot com. Male female hour. Interesting question about the

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<v Speaker 3>comment that you often hear, oh, marriage is work or

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<v Speaker 3>marriage takes work. So young people who hear this are

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<v Speaker 3>scared off. Whereas when you tell them, well, every job

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<v Speaker 3>takes work, well, a fair number don't want to do

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<v Speaker 3>that either, But everything worthwhile takes work. However, I have

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<v Speaker 3>some sympathy for those who think maybe it should be

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<v Speaker 3>easier than work. I do have some sympathy for that.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the that is an ideal, but you still

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<v Speaker 3>let you have to work at it. But that's true

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<v Speaker 3>in the sense. You have to work at your health,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to you work at your happiness, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to work at your religion. I mean, what good thing

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<v Speaker 3>do you not have to work at? Right? Life, liberty,

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 3>and the pursuit of happiness. Pursuing happiness takes work. So

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<v Speaker 3>I have a happiness hour. Okay, let's see here. Very interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>So Steve, Bob j Doug Thomas, and Mary. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>five men and two women. Not uncommon ratio. You wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>expect that on the male female hour. Okay, let's see,

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<v Speaker 3>Well here's a contrary if you Mary in Sarasota, Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, doctor Craiger. So good to speak with you for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>My deal is that having had a good marital partnership

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<v Speaker 2>for nineteen great years. The relationship was not difficult, but

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<v Speaker 2>we worked hard. I supported my husband in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that he was able to start his own business, and

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have children terribly early on, and we enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>time together and there was an ease. I liked your

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<v Speaker 2>word easy. Things were easy. You know. I'm a lover,

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<v Speaker 2>not a fighter. I don't understand these people that think

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<v Speaker 2>they have to have a good study every once in

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<v Speaker 2>a while, just you know, to keep things alive. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get that anyway. Long story short is round

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<v Speaker 2>about the twentieth year, because we had such an adyllic life,

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:11.880
<v Speaker 2>seemingly a friend of the family decided that she wanted

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<v Speaker 2>what I had, and my dear husband disrespected and betrayed

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<v Speaker 2>all the trust that I ever extended to him. So,

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<v Speaker 2>while I had two terminally ill parents, one with Alzheimer's,

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<v Speaker 2>one with cancer, he picked a fine time to decide

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<v Speaker 2>to have a bad case of the middle aged crazies.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, I don't have enough energy to do

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<v Speaker 2>the work that it would take, particularly when he said

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need any of that psychology shig okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>that was that, and I'm way down the road from

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<v Speaker 2>that and happy, happy, happy, And the best thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I could ever have done was to encourage the children

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<v Speaker 2>to have a good relationship with the parent, their parent,

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<v Speaker 2>their father.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I shall loute you for that. That speaks volumes

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 3>about your character because a lot of women alienate their

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<v Speaker 3>children from the ex husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, doctor Prager, your wisdom and your sage advice

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<v Speaker 2>that I have been listening to for months and months

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<v Speaker 2>and years. Finally today I'll let you know how much

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's very kind. Really, it touches me. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, for the record, I'm not a doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>Just for the record, it reminds me of a story

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<v Speaker 3>in my from my twenties. I was giving a lecture

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<v Speaker 3>of a synagogue and I was in my twenties. As

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<v Speaker 3>I said, it was an older Jew kept calling me

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<v Speaker 3>Duc del Praguel. He had a Yiddish accent. Finally I

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 3>realized it's gonna I knew why he was calling me

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Prager, because it was hard for him to believe

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<v Speaker 3>that I was that young and he could learn from me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I didn't have a PhD. So finally I said

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<v Speaker 3>to him, sir, right, I know this, this may and

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<v Speaker 3>your particular desire to hear me, but I'm not a doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>And he thought for a moment, and he said, by me,

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<v Speaker 3>you have a ductail his truth.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless.

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<v Speaker 3>Wisdom Male Female Hour, and it is the an analysis

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<v Speaker 3>of the widespread sentiment marriage is work or marriage takes

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<v Speaker 3>work and your take on it and my take on it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's see here. Nikki in Auburn, California.

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<v Speaker 6>Hello, Hey, Dana's great topic. By the way, good, yes,

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<v Speaker 6>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey.

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<v Speaker 6>My original thought was, and I still think this is

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<v Speaker 6>very true. When women began to be in the workplace,

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<v Speaker 6>I think marriage became a lot harder because the roles

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<v Speaker 6>were now not as distinctive, and I know with my

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<v Speaker 6>own self. My own case is my husband were both

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<v Speaker 6>newly retired early sixties, and you know, when the kids

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<v Speaker 6>were home and we were both working full time, it

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 6>was hard. Who's going to make dinner? Oh well I

0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 6>did it yesterday, It's your turn to night. We were both

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 6>coaching our kids in sports. I mean, it was a

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 6>super busy life and it was it was hard. We

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 6>got through it beautifully, and I love what an earlier

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 6>collar talked about, you know, having a servant's heart. But

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<v Speaker 6>really had to grow on me. And I grew up

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<v Speaker 6>not being a marriage. I was raised by a single

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 6>parent and never saw, you know, really a good marriage

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<v Speaker 6>at work. And so when I got married at twenty six,

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<v Speaker 6>I really had no clue what I was getting into.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'll never forget the night before the wedding, my

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 6>maid of honor told my husband Eve better watch it

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<v Speaker 6>out for her. She's a pistol. And I was. I had,

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<v Speaker 6>I was. I was full of pride and that's something

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<v Speaker 6>I had to work on my husband. And I was liberal.

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.239
<v Speaker 6>My husband was conservative. We had to work a lot

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:58.239
<v Speaker 6>of things out. Fortunately I came to his side and

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 6>we both became people faith, and that helped tremendously. But

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<v Speaker 6>now that we're you know, retired, the kids have been

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<v Speaker 6>gone for fifteen years, it's not hard. It's maintenance, but

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<v Speaker 6>it's not hard maintenance.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good term. It's like it's sort of like maintaining

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<v Speaker 3>your hair, like the previous woman called.

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly, and that's what that popped into my mind when

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<v Speaker 6>she was describing that. I mean, just making sure you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you set a time for date night, you set a time,

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<v Speaker 6>not a set of time, but make sure you have romance,

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<v Speaker 6>even though you might not be in the mood and all.

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<v Speaker 6>That's important and we're just probably happier and are satisfied

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<v Speaker 6>than ever. But I do think those early days, right.

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<v Speaker 3>We're in the home in light, we think, in light

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<v Speaker 3>of your realization of how much more difficult it is

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<v Speaker 3>now that both are earners and there is no division

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<v Speaker 3>of roles. Do you think that that's well, I'll ask

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<v Speaker 3>you it this way. Do you think the ideal is

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<v Speaker 3>that one usually the man can support the home and

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<v Speaker 3>then she can stay home, or do you think that

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<v Speaker 3>that's not an ideal no matter? Why?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I honestly I think that's an ideal situation I'm

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<v Speaker 6>watching my son and his wife. They're both nurses, and

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 6>they have opposite shifts because they don't want to pay

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 6>for daycare, and it's hard. You know. He was like,

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<v Speaker 6>I have to go. I have to go make her dinner.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course she has to go to work. You know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's I think ideally that is the best situation. Either

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<v Speaker 6>parent doesn't have to be the wife.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I agree with you. I agree. Yeah, Well, you're

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<v Speaker 3>intellectually honest. That's I appreciate it, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a test. I find that to be a test

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<v Speaker 3>of a person's intellectual honesty. Like I I have a

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<v Speaker 3>test of an atheist when I have a debate, which

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 3>I periodically do with atheists, I asked them, do you

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 3>hope you're right? Or do you hope you're wrong? And

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 3>if they're intellectually honest, they hope they're wrong. You have

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:21.240
<v Speaker 3>to be intellectually dishonest to hope. There is no God,

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 3>there is no ultimate justice, there is no reuniting with

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<v Speaker 3>loved ones, there's nothing. Life is meaningless. You're rooting for that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard. It means in non intellectually honest likewise, where

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<v Speaker 3>two people have worked and made a go of the marriage,

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<v Speaker 3>which she did obviously, I will ask, well, would you

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<v Speaker 3>say that the ideal is both working, both divvying homework

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<v Speaker 3>and an income, or is it ideal if one could

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<v Speaker 3>support and one financially and one do the world of

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<v Speaker 3>home and children. I think that the latter is obviously

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<v Speaker 3>the ideal. Okay, let's go on. It was good all right,

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<v Speaker 3>Bob and Galina Ohio. Hello, Bob, Well, Donni's good day.

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<v Speaker 3>Good day.

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<v Speaker 9>So my thoughts on marriage where it's more than work,

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<v Speaker 9>it is sacrifice. Work is often a pejorative, but I

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<v Speaker 9>mean work can be good. Your sports analogy was app

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<v Speaker 9>and it is work and sacrifice to be good at

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<v Speaker 9>any sport. And before my children moved out, growing up,

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<v Speaker 9>I constantly reinforced that you're not working for something. You

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<v Speaker 9>don't know the value of anything. And so whether that's

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<v Speaker 9>a job to get your money in your first car,

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<v Speaker 9>or even just be great at your sport, had time

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<v Speaker 9>for the job. But it's all work. And really again

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<v Speaker 9>it's not it's not works. Not a bad thing, but

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<v Speaker 9>I think a good marriage, successful marriage, requires a little sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 9>And it was a point brought up to me by

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<v Speaker 9>my wife because we were discussing our grown children and

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<v Speaker 9>the idea of them living with someone or not living

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<v Speaker 9>with someone, versus being married. We are very conservative, we

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<v Speaker 9>preperve they all marry, but they choose to live their

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<v Speaker 9>own lives. But the main point she was making, and

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<v Speaker 9>I really clung on to it, I thought it was beautiful,

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<v Speaker 9>was just that those who choose never to get married,

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<v Speaker 9>I just choose to cohabitate. There's there's no sacrifice. And

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<v Speaker 9>I really felt like that was very apt, very prone.

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<v Speaker 9>She and I both are in a second marriage. Like you,

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<v Speaker 9>I broke back into prison, as some of my friends

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<v Speaker 9>like to say.

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<v Speaker 3>And the uh.

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<v Speaker 9>This, this has been a beautiful marriage that we've add

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<v Speaker 9>together for early twenty years now. The first go around,

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<v Speaker 9>I would say that my partner didn't want to put

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<v Speaker 9>in the work. I would say that it's similar for her,

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<v Speaker 9>and in her case, she actually lived with her first spouse.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I got to hold it there, hold on,

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<v Speaker 3>my friend, thank you, well, this has been exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>I assumed it would be. Because the intelligence of you

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<v Speaker 3>out there calling in marriage is work. It's a very famous,

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<v Speaker 3>famous it's a very widespread sentiment, conventional wisdom. As my

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<v Speaker 3>producer puts it, and a lot of conventional wisdom is accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's we haven't resolved the question of ideally, is

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<v Speaker 3>it less work? And I yes, that's my that's my

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<v Speaker 3>belief if that's the ideal. But even if it's less work,

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<v Speaker 3>of course it's if it's effortful, of course it is.

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<v Speaker 3>If that's what work means, of course it's effortful. I

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<v Speaker 3>write a column each week, would I say it's work? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's work? But is it? Is it unpleasant work? It

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't the appearance of the column each week worth it?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess that that's the big The big question is

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<v Speaker 3>is it worth it? Would it be better? How's this?

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<v Speaker 3>Would it be better if I wrote no column it

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<v Speaker 3>would be easier. Would it be better if I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>no books? It would be a lot easier. Takes a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of work to write a book. I've written nine.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's nine. It might be ten. Takes a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of work. So I think what one has to ask?

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<v Speaker 3>See this is the beauty how having a radio show

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<v Speaker 3>has so helped my thinking because I have to think

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<v Speaker 3>things through with you. The question is not is barriage work?

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<v Speaker 3>The question is is it worth it? Because that's the

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<v Speaker 3>question of all the work that we do in our

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<v Speaker 3>life is is this child? Was this child worth the

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<v Speaker 3>work I put in? Now, a lot of people may

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<v Speaker 3>not be honest about saying the truth is it isn't

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<v Speaker 3>not because they it's too painful to admit you're you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have a particularly lovable child or likable which is

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<v Speaker 3>more realistic? Was your worth? Was your work worth the

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<v Speaker 3>work your career, your job? That's that is the question.

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<v Speaker 3>So the next time a young person tells you, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody tells me that marriage is work, you tell them, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so so is sports. What is it? What is it work?

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<v Speaker 3>That's the point.

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager.

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