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Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of

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Speaker 2: As promised, today is about thoughts on the elections. Unlike

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Speaker 2: other classes, this is the most personal by definition, and

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Speaker 2: I trust you will appreciate that fact and will not

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Speaker 2: take offense at some of the views that will be expressed.

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Speaker 2: I would hope to do so as objectively as possible,

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Speaker 2: but it is even more than religion. It is not

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Speaker 2: possible to discuss politics and be perceived by everyone as

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Speaker 2: being objective. I would like to be, because this is

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Speaker 2: a course, not a lecture series. But I appreciate the

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Speaker 2: fact that some will simply find some of these views

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Speaker 2: quite wrong. That is why I will leave more time

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Speaker 2: than usual only in this particular session for other thoughts.

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Speaker 2: But I am asked to it as one of the

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Speaker 2: subjects that was listed, and that many of you have

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Speaker 2: asked for us to offer some analysis of the presidential

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Speaker 2: election that will take place next week, And I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: what should I do? Because you hear analyzes all the time,

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Speaker 2: what can I offer to you that you would not

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Speaker 2: normally get tuning in radio or reading a columnist. And

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Speaker 2: I thought that I would like to deal most specifically

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Speaker 2: with the question of the L word. I think that

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Speaker 2: I could do the best for you. Whether you consider

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Speaker 2: yourself liberal, conservative, or as I consider myself centrist, you

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Speaker 2: could you could most profit by an analysis of someone

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Speaker 2: who does think it's become a dirty word about why

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Speaker 2: most honest thing. Rather than claiming some absolute neutrality in

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Speaker 2: the middle. I will tell you why this person who

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Speaker 2: was raised liberal, as virtually every Jew in America was,

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Speaker 2: who was raised to perceive voting Republican as an active apostasy.

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Speaker 2: A Jew for Republican is someone on the level of

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Speaker 2: Jew for Jesus in in the in the world that

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Speaker 2: I grew up, and in much of the Jewish world

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Speaker 2: to this day. And I must tell you when I

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Speaker 2: first the first time I voted Republican, it was it

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Speaker 2: was very, very hard. I felt that I was going

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Speaker 2: to have to answer to God on young Kipper that

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Speaker 2: you know alchte there will be one Shebahati Republican. There is.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying this with some levity, but it is absolutely

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Speaker 2: true that it is. It was. It was semi dramatic,

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Speaker 2: deep sense of guilt. While I have voted Republican the

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Speaker 2: last two times, it is, it is not even it

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Speaker 2: is a little easier, but I'm still a Democrat. In

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Speaker 2: other words, it's very hard to get the democrat and

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Speaker 2: liberal out of the Jew who was raised with Adlai

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Speaker 2: Stevenson and all the beliefs about conservatives and Republicans that

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Speaker 2: I am, probably most of you were raised with. So

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Speaker 2: I am a good example of someone who can honestly,

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Speaker 2: maybe incorrectly in your view, but at least honestly tell

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Speaker 2: you why something so venerated as the word liberal and

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Speaker 2: liberalism has become such a dirty word that until yes yesterday,

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Speaker 2: the thirtieth of October of an election year, the liberal

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Speaker 2: candidate refused to say he was. I mean, in other words,

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Speaker 2: that's not debatable. It's not debatable that it's become a

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Speaker 2: why it has become, But that it has become is

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Speaker 2: not debatable. Conservative is not a dirty word. Mister Bush

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Speaker 2: walks around all day long saying I'm conservative, and it's

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Speaker 2: not a problem. Twenty years ago, thirty years ago, that

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Speaker 2: that it is deserved. In other words, conservative deserved to

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Speaker 2: be a dirty word. In the fifties, conservative was linked

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Speaker 2: with racism, with social retardation, holding back legislation that was moral.

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Speaker 2: Who opposed civil rights legislations? Liberal liberals are conservatives? Conservatives

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Speaker 2: Obviously conservative were retrograde. The conservative view was perceived as

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Speaker 2: being what's good for general motors is good for America,

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Speaker 2: good for Americans, what's good for big business. Conservative had

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Speaker 2: a dirty name, a bad name, bad reputation. It was deserved.

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Speaker 2: I believe liberal today has a bad name and a

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Speaker 2: how beautiful it was is not an argument. The question

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Speaker 2: You've become a little wealthy, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that there is such a dividing line.

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Speaker 2: But that is the way liberals perceive it, that Americans

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Speaker 2: liberalism has changed the Americans have become not selfish. Americans,

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Speaker 2: so too, when people need to go somewhere with refugee status.

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Speaker 2: It is America. America has this massive immigration problem because

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Speaker 2: it's wonderful. People flee to a country that they want

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Speaker 2: They are not stupid. They know that there are more

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Speaker 2: opportunities in every area in America than anywhere else, not

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Speaker 2: just economic, but social and religious. You see, you are

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Speaker 2: not out of it in America if you are a minority,

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Speaker 2: as everybody else's too, but you are out of it

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Speaker 2: if you're a minority in Switzerland. Here you're another minority.

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Speaker 2: We live in a city of minorities. I work in Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Once a week I drive through Soul Korea. I have

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Speaker 2: been to Soul Korea twice. Western Avenue might as well

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Speaker 2: Here it is soul transported. But there is also there

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Speaker 2: also huge Filipino area. And one goes on and what

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Speaker 2: about all the Hebrew you hear in the valley? Right?

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Speaker 2: you don't know Hebrew you have to study. You should

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Speaker 2: start studying it. Only in America can that be said

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Speaker 2: at this time. It's a wonderful place in many ways,

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Speaker 2: My proof being if you would listen to the speeches

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Speaker 3: My friend Bill Pearl, who does the Saturday night show

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Speaker 3: on KBC prior to My show, is a terrific talk

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Speaker 2: You should truly listen to his show. I admire him

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Speaker 2: as a colleague. I mean, it's not common that one

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Speaker 3: It's easy to admire people in another field, but in

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Speaker 2: You he has a beautiful show. The amount of homework

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Speaker 2: John F. Kennedy's speeches, and what he did was he

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Speaker 2: began the show by saying, ladies and gentlemen, tonight, my

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Speaker 2: If you would have heard those speeches and you would

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Speaker 2: this is a conservative speaking. For example, constant reference by

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Speaker 2: John Kennedy to the fact that the world is Haff's

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Speaker 2: To a liberal, it's not allowable. I have said often,

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Speaker 2: They only vote for their president on foreign policy. That's

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Speaker 2: a major part of the reason Republicans keep winning the

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Speaker 2: liberal is unselfish, how come there are so many liberals

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Speaker 2: in Congress in governor's mansions because on foreign affairs, liberals

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Speaker 2: This is coming from someone who is not talking above it.

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Speaker 2: for the other class. At any rate, he was asked

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Speaker 2: don't like communism. However, who am I to tell the

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Speaker 2: That is the response, incidentally, that you would get from

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Speaker 2: True, you don't. You never find the liberal who likes communism.

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Speaker 2: Like communism its communist, you know that's so, And they're

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Speaker 2: Kennedy said, which was essential to liberalism. Communism is the

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Speaker 2: inheritor from Nazism of the enslaving of peoples and the mission,

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Speaker 2: which is what I believe communism is. But you can't

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Speaker 2: drag that out of a liberal. I asked Author's Lessener

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Speaker 2: I asked author Schlessinger Junior, probably the leading liberal professor

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Speaker 2: I said to him, would you say that the United

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Speaker 2: He said no, and I said, I'd like to repeat

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Speaker 3: You are not willing to say that as a society,

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Speaker 2: this election is not about ideology but competence. Now why

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Speaker 2: He is a smart man, mister Ducoccus, probably considerably smarter

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Speaker 2: hell to win on that. Let's debate competence. That was

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Speaker 2: Now why has this happened is the subject of my session.

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Speaker 2: Conservatives are prepared to say, say the following Communism is evil,

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Speaker 2: help Nikaraguans fight there. Does that mean they will die? Yes,

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Speaker 2: Why is that any more cruel than helping Frenchmen kill

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Speaker 2: On rh rhetorical terms, communism is much better than fascism.

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Speaker 2: When Nazis killed you, they said you are subhuman scum

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Speaker 2: If liberals could say these things about communism, it would

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Speaker 2: to which Woody Allen responded that he suspects that most

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00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:13,779
Speaker 2: Nazis don't read the New York Times and that baseball

429
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:19,499
Speaker 2: bats are far more persuasive and effective. Now's Woody Allen

430
00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:24,259
Speaker 2: a rambo? That, no, because Jewish liberals are at peace

431
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:27,259
Speaker 2: with bashing Nazi heads in, they're not at peace with

432
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:33,340
Speaker 2: bashing communist heads in. I don't understand quite why I

433
00:31:33,459 --> 00:31:36,819
Speaker 2: never meet Jewish pacifists when it comes to Nazism, but

434
00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:39,060
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, when it comes to Communism, they

435
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:45,739
Speaker 2: embrace Gandhi and every other pacifist that to me is selfish.

436
00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:48,940
Speaker 2: Those who want to destroy us should be killed, But

437
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,860
Speaker 2: those who wish to destroy other nations, like the Ukrainians,

438
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:55,060
Speaker 2: they should live and be Well, that's how I read

439
00:31:56,020 --> 00:32:03,660
Speaker 2: liberal non selfishness on foreign affairs. So when it comes

440
00:32:03,739 --> 00:32:06,900
Speaker 2: to force, mister Dukakis thought that it was wrong to

441
00:32:07,420 --> 00:32:11,860
Speaker 2: invade Grenada. There is a very large group of people,

442
00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:17,140
Speaker 2: as we discussed last week, that disagrees with mister Dukakis's appraisal. Grenadans.

443
00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:23,340
Speaker 2: They found the invasion terrific. They celebrated as a national holiday.

444
00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:27,860
Speaker 2: It's victory over Communism Day, like there was Victory over

445
00:32:27,979 --> 00:32:33,060
Speaker 2: Nazism Day in Europe. But that's rambo to the liberal.

446
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:38,060
Speaker 2: When do you use force only when American interests are threatened?

447
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:43,299
Speaker 2: Why that's considered noble and unselfish? I have never quite understood.

448
00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:47,059
Speaker 2: Strikes me as the quintessence of selfishness. Only when you

449
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:49,900
Speaker 2: bother me? Will I ever use force? Do whatever you

450
00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:52,380
Speaker 2: want to the world, rap them all you like. Only

451
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:55,340
Speaker 2: if you touch me, will I use my weapons. I

452
00:32:55,820 --> 00:32:59,299
Speaker 2: don't share that view. So those are two parts of

453
00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:04,700
Speaker 2: foreign affairs, the use of force and the view of communism.

454
00:33:04,979 --> 00:33:09,820
Speaker 2: Why we have an l word now domestic here. You

455
00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:12,420
Speaker 2: would think that liberalism should have a much better name.

456
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:20,900
Speaker 2: It should it should have retained it. But it is

457
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:27,740
Speaker 2: associated by many Americans with the following. For one thing,

458
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:37,180
Speaker 2: it is associated with the sixties. Liberalism is associated with

459
00:33:37,219 --> 00:33:40,900
Speaker 2: the sixties, and for most Americans, except for those my

460
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:45,700
Speaker 2: age who nostalgically look back at the sixties, I am

461
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:48,300
Speaker 2: not among them. I didn't like the sixties during the sixties.

462
00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:52,420
Speaker 2: I certainly don't like the sixties in the eighties. But

463
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:56,980
Speaker 2: there is a number of Americans that look back at

464
00:33:56,979 --> 00:34:00,860
Speaker 2: the sixties is a wonderful time. Do your own thing,

465
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:06,660
Speaker 2: make love, not war, etc. Etc. Most Americans see that

466
00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:11,900
Speaker 2: period which had one spectacular liberal greatness attached to it

467
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:17,100
Speaker 2: civil rights legislation, which is absolutely correct and which is

468
00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:21,020
Speaker 2: absolutely due to liberals and absolutely due to their credit.

469
00:34:21,380 --> 00:34:25,379
Speaker 2: That's just not a question. Conservatives did not open up

470
00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:31,180
Speaker 2: Southern schools to blacks. Liberals did. That's not a question

471
00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:37,740
Speaker 2: on You can't, however, on one issue. Continue to live

472
00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:42,979
Speaker 2: forever to maintain your credibility. You get the credit where

473
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:45,100
Speaker 2: you deserve it, and then you move on. What do

474
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:47,219
Speaker 2: you have to say to America in nineteen eighty eight,

475
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:49,700
Speaker 2: We know what you have to say to the South

476
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:53,220
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight. What do you have to say now?

477
00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:56,900
Speaker 2: The sixties are perceived by most Americans as an age,

478
00:34:57,259 --> 00:35:04,339
Speaker 2: as a time of anarchy and tremendous permissiveness, breakdown of

479
00:35:04,540 --> 00:35:11,020
Speaker 2: institutions educationally, religiously, and politically, and by the way, I

480
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:15,100
Speaker 2: generally share that assessment. I think we are still recuperating

481
00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:20,739
Speaker 2: from the sixties. It was a great time for an orgy.

482
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:25,739
Speaker 2: It was a great time for fun. It wasn't necessarily

483
00:35:25,819 --> 00:35:29,180
Speaker 2: a great time for building the institutions that keep a

484
00:35:29,259 --> 00:35:33,419
Speaker 2: society going. The sexual revolution has at least as many

485
00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:38,620
Speaker 2: victims as it has people it has health. I have

486
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,779
Speaker 2: no answer to the bottom line on the sexual revolution.

487
00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:46,140
Speaker 2: It's a very tough issue. Are women my age because

488
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:50,780
Speaker 2: I'm quintessential sixties I was at college sixty six to seventy,

489
00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:53,859
Speaker 2: I was right smack in the heart of the sixties.

490
00:35:56,100 --> 00:36:00,299
Speaker 2: Are women happier as a result? Not that they can

491
00:36:00,339 --> 00:36:04,140
Speaker 2: go to work, which by and large is a good thing.

492
00:36:04,219 --> 00:36:06,700
Speaker 2: Women should be free. If they want to be surgeons,

493
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:10,219
Speaker 2: they should be surgeons. There is obviously good things that

494
00:36:10,299 --> 00:36:13,500
Speaker 2: came out of feminism, But what about the part that

495
00:36:13,540 --> 00:36:19,100
Speaker 2: it was considered ridiculous to ever hold back sexually? You

496
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:21,939
Speaker 2: had a hang up? The term why do you hung

497
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:25,180
Speaker 2: up on a first date? They just had a bagel

498
00:36:25,859 --> 00:36:29,219
Speaker 2: and he wants to be in bed. She doesn't want

499
00:36:29,259 --> 00:36:31,580
Speaker 2: to go to bed. She has a hang up? Are

500
00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:35,859
Speaker 2: you sick? What's wrong with you? Did women benefit from

501
00:36:35,859 --> 00:36:39,620
Speaker 2: this buy and large men benefited from it? I'll be

502
00:36:39,739 --> 00:36:42,939
Speaker 2: very honest. I remember vividly. I was the happiest man

503
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:47,339
Speaker 2: in the world that women were walking around saying, we're

504
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:50,900
Speaker 2: just like men, we too can have sex without commitment.

505
00:36:51,819 --> 00:36:55,339
Speaker 2: I knew it was the biggest lie since pre Copernican

506
00:36:55,420 --> 00:37:01,339
Speaker 2: views of the universe. I knew it. Men for all

507
00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:05,980
Speaker 2: of recorded history, from ancient Mesopotamia had been trying to

508
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:10,940
Speaker 2: convince women to have sex without commitment. All of a sudden,

509
00:37:11,380 --> 00:37:16,020
Speaker 2: this little window of opportunity open for men in the

510
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:22,220
Speaker 2: late sixties, during my greatest period of bachelorhood, I knew

511
00:37:22,259 --> 00:37:26,499
Speaker 2: God was on my side. Women agreed, Oh, we can

512
00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:30,540
Speaker 2: also have non meaningful sex, said of course. Of course,

513
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:35,299
Speaker 2: who said no? And it was just incredible. It was

514
00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:38,899
Speaker 2: the time to be a single man, or at least

515
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,579
Speaker 2: that's what a lot of married men thought. And many

516
00:37:42,779 --> 00:37:45,579
Speaker 2: men decided to become single men then and found that

517
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,899
Speaker 2: you know, in the final analysis, there was more fun

518
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:54,180
Speaker 2: than happiness involved, which is another subject that you have

519
00:37:54,299 --> 00:37:59,060
Speaker 2: become aware of. So it's a very mixed bag, even

520
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:01,219
Speaker 2: on the good stuff. And there were good things to

521
00:38:01,259 --> 00:38:04,500
Speaker 2: come from feminism, but they were also not good things.

522
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:07,700
Speaker 2: I remember some of you were at Brandeis Bardein when

523
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:12,140
Speaker 2: I was director, and I remember weekends so vividly. We

524
00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:14,859
Speaker 2: would open up weekends at the institute and it was

525
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:20,020
Speaker 2: almost always for couples, and the way it worked was

526
00:38:20,219 --> 00:38:22,419
Speaker 2: the cup. Both both the husband and wife would stand

527
00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:27,140
Speaker 2: and introduce themselves. This was in the seventies, which is

528
00:38:27,259 --> 00:38:31,700
Speaker 2: which is philosophically the sixties, it's chronologically the seventies. I

529
00:38:31,779 --> 00:38:33,819
Speaker 2: remember so well. It made such an impact on me.

530
00:38:33,859 --> 00:38:37,020
Speaker 2: I was I was a bachelor. I was thinking what

531
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:39,180
Speaker 2: will it be when I'm married? And I was watching

532
00:38:39,219 --> 00:38:43,500
Speaker 2: couples interact, and I remember a couple after couple that

533
00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:46,379
Speaker 2: would be like this. He would say, you know, I

534
00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:53,820
Speaker 2: am or whatever, and she would would very sheepishly admit

535
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:59,140
Speaker 2: embarrassedly that she was uh uh a wife and mother.

536
00:39:00,339 --> 00:39:04,899
Speaker 2: It was said as if I'm sorry, I I have

537
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:07,700
Speaker 2: nothing else to claim for myself. It was it was

538
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:11,779
Speaker 2: said to see this. The shrip, to use the term

539
00:39:11,779 --> 00:39:16,460
Speaker 2: from the sixties put on women if they weren't a doctor, lawyer,

540
00:39:16,540 --> 00:39:20,899
Speaker 2: indian chief, or selling at May company. It it was

541
00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:24,979
Speaker 2: more prestigious to say I sell at May companies than

542
00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:31,140
Speaker 2: to say I make a home. Because you made six

543
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:35,379
Speaker 2: bucks an hour and you didn't make a living, you

544
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:40,259
Speaker 2: are in pay for being mother and wife. That too,

545
00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:43,180
Speaker 2: was part of it. Sure, there are good things, let

546
00:39:43,219 --> 00:39:45,739
Speaker 2: women do what they want and be free to Absolutely,

547
00:39:45,779 --> 00:39:49,700
Speaker 2: I'm totally for it, But a lot of bad stuff

548
00:39:49,739 --> 00:39:52,499
Speaker 2: came with it that is also part of them. It's

549
00:39:52,540 --> 00:39:57,980
Speaker 2: worthy of another talking will happen outside of feminism and

550
00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:01,540
Speaker 2: civil rights, though. There are a lot of things that

551
00:40:01,580 --> 00:40:05,739
Speaker 2: are associated with the sixties that simply are regarded by

552
00:40:05,779 --> 00:40:09,700
Speaker 2: Americans as a rule as not good. For example, kids

553
00:40:09,739 --> 00:40:15,499
Speaker 2: demanding that they make their own curriculum at college. Most Americans,

554
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:19,500
Speaker 2: including this one, believed that the deterioration in American education

555
00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:23,700
Speaker 2: began in the sixties, and the major reason for it

556
00:40:23,739 --> 00:40:29,140
Speaker 2: is standards declined. In the sixties, standards were considered bourgeois, reactionary,

557
00:40:29,739 --> 00:40:35,339
Speaker 2: neo fascistic. It was the age of progress, progressive thought.

558
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:39,580
Speaker 2: First of all, the most progressive was don't have greats, right,

559
00:40:39,859 --> 00:40:42,700
Speaker 2: don't have great and no required courses. So it is

560
00:40:42,739 --> 00:40:50,180
Speaker 2: now possible to graduate Princeton having taken movies. And I'll

561
00:40:50,219 --> 00:40:54,339
Speaker 2: prove it to you. What is the name of that Brookshields.

562
00:40:54,420 --> 00:41:00,379
Speaker 2: Brookshields went to Princeton. When she graduated about a year ago,

563
00:41:00,779 --> 00:41:04,979
Speaker 2: there was an article describing the courses she took. Because

564
00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:08,700
Speaker 2: she's famous and people wanted to know. A writer for

565
00:41:08,739 --> 00:41:12,219
Speaker 2: The New York Times wrote an opinion piece say missus

566
00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:15,779
Speaker 2: Shields should demand the mother as if the mother paid,

567
00:41:15,819 --> 00:41:21,379
Speaker 2: I don't know, Brookshields should demand her money back. Got no,

568
00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:25,500
Speaker 2: and then he would list what she never studied to

569
00:41:25,580 --> 00:41:29,779
Speaker 2: get a BA from Princeton University. Half her courses were

570
00:41:29,819 --> 00:41:36,660
Speaker 2: on film. That's an education, that's preparing. We're gonna compete

571
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:38,820
Speaker 2: in the world, say the liberals. We have to compete

572
00:41:38,859 --> 00:41:41,979
Speaker 2: in the world, and the conservatives yell the same thing.

573
00:41:42,020 --> 00:41:45,300
Speaker 2: How you comte compete If kids are studying movies in college,

574
00:41:45,779 --> 00:41:48,660
Speaker 2: what are we gonna compete in movies? We won in movies,

575
00:41:48,739 --> 00:42:02,620
Speaker 2: We dominate the world. Unfortunately they're played on Japanese projectors.

576
00:42:03,380 --> 00:42:09,859
Speaker 2: See sense of decline of standards. I remember at Columbia,

577
00:42:09,859 --> 00:42:13,180
Speaker 2: where I attended graduate school, kids demanded to make the

578
00:42:13,259 --> 00:42:16,899
Speaker 2: curriculum juge of twenty two. What the hell are these

579
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:20,259
Speaker 2: people called educators for if they don't know what's better

580
00:42:20,259 --> 00:42:23,100
Speaker 2: for us to study. I am not putting words in

581
00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:25,899
Speaker 2: a twenty two year old's mind. Now, at forty, I

582
00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:29,420
Speaker 2: wrote it. I said it then. I had such contempt

583
00:42:29,420 --> 00:42:32,940
Speaker 2: for educators it has never left me. Not teachers, educators,

584
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:38,020
Speaker 2: the professional educators I still think are the dumbest people

585
00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:41,459
Speaker 2: in America unless proven innocent. In other words, if I

586
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:45,099
Speaker 2: meet one who is an official in education, I think

587
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:47,500
Speaker 2: they're dumb until I speak to them, and then they

588
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:53,500
Speaker 2: can reverse it. These are the people who said twenty

589
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:57,859
Speaker 2: two year old pishers like me would say, we don't

590
00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:01,019
Speaker 2: want to study X, Y, and Z, and we want

591
00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:05,060
Speaker 2: to study relevant remember relevant the key word and relevant courses.

592
00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:12,460
Speaker 2: Who needs history? I wan relevant courses? So they said,

593
00:43:12,739 --> 00:43:17,739
Speaker 2: you're right. A fifty five year old man who got

594
00:43:17,779 --> 00:43:21,259
Speaker 2: a PhD in education, who will spent thirty years education

595
00:43:21,819 --> 00:43:25,060
Speaker 2: says to a twenty two year old you're right. It

596
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:28,379
Speaker 2: means he was wrong. They can't both be right. He

597
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:32,739
Speaker 2: has spent thirty years wrong, and you expect kids to

598
00:43:32,779 --> 00:43:35,340
Speaker 2: have respect. I wrote an article when I was writing

599
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:38,100
Speaker 2: my column for the Herald Examiner. You want to know

600
00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:43,339
Speaker 2: where the contempt for old age began in the sixties

601
00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:47,180
Speaker 2: because the elderly said, we have nothing to teach you kids.

602
00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:53,779
Speaker 2: The elderly caused the age gap, not the young. As

603
00:43:53,819 --> 00:43:57,140
Speaker 2: soon as the older generation says to the next generation,

604
00:43:58,020 --> 00:44:02,019
Speaker 2: you're right, where wrong? We don't know better than you?

605
00:44:02,819 --> 00:44:06,420
Speaker 2: Why will they not breed contempt for them? Clearly, age

606
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:11,460
Speaker 2: brings nothing but wrinkles. It used to bring wrinkles and wisdom.

607
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:16,819
Speaker 2: What was said in the sixties was it only brings wrinkles.

608
00:44:18,259 --> 00:44:20,979
Speaker 2: No wonder you couldn't trust anyone over thirty. They had

609
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:24,980
Speaker 2: all lived a lie. I trusted people over thirty. I

610
00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:28,339
Speaker 2: came from a religious world where they said to me,

611
00:44:28,819 --> 00:44:33,420
Speaker 2: we do know better. We've lived forty years more than you, Dennis,

612
00:44:33,859 --> 00:44:36,660
Speaker 2: And as brilliant as you might think you are, you

613
00:44:36,779 --> 00:44:41,100
Speaker 2: don't know nothing. Four thousand years of Judaism knows a

614
00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:45,739
Speaker 2: lot more than you do. Religious kids in religious environments

615
00:44:45,739 --> 00:44:51,419
Speaker 2: respected their elders more for good reason. The elders were

616
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:54,420
Speaker 2: worthy of respect. They said to us, we know better.

617
00:44:55,779 --> 00:44:58,219
Speaker 2: The worst thing I could tell my child is, I

618
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:07,419
Speaker 2: don't know. What do you think? That's why? That's what

619
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,460
Speaker 2: a five year old or a ten year old or

620
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:12,019
Speaker 2: a fifteen year old wants to know, right, I don't

621
00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:13,500
Speaker 2: know what do you? Of course, if I don't know,

622
00:45:13,540 --> 00:45:16,219
Speaker 2: I'll say I don't know. I'm not a fool. My

623
00:45:16,420 --> 00:45:18,379
Speaker 2: child asked me in a lie, does God do exer?

624
00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:21,379
Speaker 2: I don't know when I don't No, I don't know,

625
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:25,140
Speaker 2: but there are things I do know. How many parents

626
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:27,939
Speaker 2: would say to me my kid came home from college,

627
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:30,140
Speaker 2: and I don't know how to answer them. They're learning

628
00:45:30,219 --> 00:45:33,739
Speaker 2: things that we didn't learn. What's the difference. What's the

629
00:45:33,779 --> 00:45:37,140
Speaker 2: difference Our twelve year old daughter is learning things in math?

630
00:45:37,219 --> 00:45:39,339
Speaker 2: She came she showed me a math book. I would

631
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:42,620
Speaker 2: funk I'd get a zero. She's in seventh grade. If

632
00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:45,419
Speaker 2: I took her exam, I'd get a zero. I never

633
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:49,060
Speaker 2: heard of sets. I know sets from tennis. That's the

634
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:54,140
Speaker 2: only set I know. Okay, she's studying sets. I don't

635
00:45:54,140 --> 00:45:57,739
Speaker 2: know what a set is. I could not answer her questions. Well,

636
00:45:57,940 --> 00:46:00,419
Speaker 2: that's technical knowledge. I'm not embarrassed not to know that.

637
00:46:01,020 --> 00:46:05,779
Speaker 2: But I'm supposed to have wisdom answers about life so

638
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:09,739
Speaker 2: much crumbled. What else is the sixties and liberalism associated

639
00:46:09,779 --> 00:46:15,939
Speaker 2: with antireligion, and how could it not be it is.

640
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:21,939
Speaker 2: You've got to be very, very disingenuous to say the

641
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:27,060
Speaker 2: ACLU was not proposed to religion. It is. It wants

642
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:31,259
Speaker 2: religion removed from every single public sphere. It was the

643
00:46:31,299 --> 00:46:35,860
Speaker 2: backbone of the democracy that without it, the democracy was threatened.

644
00:46:36,339 --> 00:46:39,460
Speaker 2: That's not believed by liberals. Liberals believe you can have

645
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:43,219
Speaker 2: a secular society and thrive. Most Americans don't believe that.

646
00:46:45,739 --> 00:46:51,140
Speaker 2: I'm one of them. That's a very big deal. Yes,

647
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:54,259
Speaker 2: the homeless is a big deal, but so is whether

648
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:58,100
Speaker 2: or not religion remains the bonding of America, the backbone

649
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:03,340
Speaker 2: of the civilization. That's a big deal. That is why

650
00:47:03,380 --> 00:47:06,180
Speaker 2: it is not right to say that Bush has run

651
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:09,940
Speaker 2: just a negative campaign. It's certainly been no more negative

652
00:47:10,779 --> 00:47:15,140
Speaker 2: than the way the Democrats opened their campaign. And Richards

653
00:47:15,219 --> 00:47:17,899
Speaker 2: was dirtier than anybody has been in this campaign. And

654
00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:20,859
Speaker 2: her descriptions of George Bush at the Democratic Convention, that's

655
00:47:20,859 --> 00:47:24,539
Speaker 2: always forgotten. That's what started the campaign. The conventions begin

656
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:28,379
Speaker 2: the campaign. They've both been dirty, and by the way,

657
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:30,419
Speaker 2: I don't think it's been particularly dirty. I think that

658
00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:32,740
Speaker 2: this has been a very bizarre issue. Why was so dirty?

659
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:34,660
Speaker 2: They attacked the other guy? Why do they suppose to

660
00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:36,339
Speaker 2: say he's a wonderful man. I think he'd make a

661
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:42,020
Speaker 2: fine president. But I'm nicer Nixon and Kennedy. You know

662
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,660
Speaker 2: what Kennedy said, when I think that the only thing

663
00:47:44,739 --> 00:47:48,180
Speaker 2: between Richard Nixon and the White House is me, I

664
00:47:48,219 --> 00:47:55,379
Speaker 2: get a heart attack. That's clean. And by the way,

665
00:47:55,420 --> 00:47:58,580
Speaker 2: so did we. It was something that we liberals shared

666
00:47:58,620 --> 00:48:00,380
Speaker 2: with him, that view he was the only thing between

667
00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:04,700
Speaker 2: Nixon and the White House. I don't understand exactly what's

668
00:48:04,739 --> 00:48:06,939
Speaker 2: so dirty about it. They attack each other, what are

669
00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:10,940
Speaker 2: they supposed to do? They do come out with position papers. Incidentally,

670
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:14,579
Speaker 2: the press doesn't report it. The media is at least

671
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:18,980
Speaker 2: as responsible as anyone over the impression that this is

672
00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:22,180
Speaker 2: a dirty campaign, because ten seconds on TV, they'll give

673
00:48:22,180 --> 00:48:25,219
Speaker 2: you the dirtiest line the man came out with. That's why,

674
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:28,019
Speaker 2: that's why I beg people not to watch TV news.

675
00:48:28,060 --> 00:48:29,859
Speaker 2: I don't watch TV news. I don't think it's a

676
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:34,620
Speaker 2: dirty campaign. I read what they say in articles, long articles.

677
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:38,900
Speaker 2: You watch TV, you'll think it's dirty. TV is dirty.

678
00:48:39,060 --> 00:48:44,460
Speaker 2: Not the campaign at any rate. That is what a

679
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:48,860
Speaker 2: lot of Americans are perceived when they perceive these issues

680
00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:51,779
Speaker 2: about what liberal means. What is the pledge of allegiance?

681
00:48:51,819 --> 00:48:55,300
Speaker 2: Issue is Ducaca is technically right, very well might.

682
00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:59,979
Speaker 3: Be, but Americans perceive that liberals don't have a high

683
00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:04,539
Speaker 3: regard for patriotism. That is the perception that someone who

684
00:49:04,580 --> 00:49:07,180
Speaker 3: really does love the flag and want to salute.

685
00:49:06,779 --> 00:49:10,660
Speaker 2: It is really a crypto fascist. That's how they're depicted.

686
00:49:12,339 --> 00:49:16,540
Speaker 2: That's how they're depicted by a liberal Hollywood movies. You

687
00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:19,500
Speaker 2: don't imagine a liberal crying at the sight of a flag.

688
00:49:20,739 --> 00:49:23,140
Speaker 2: Do you imagine a conservative crying at the sight of

689
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:28,180
Speaker 2: a flag. That's the issue with this pledge of allegiance,

690
00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:31,339
Speaker 2: not the technical legal details which liberals are so fond

691
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:34,060
Speaker 2: of clothing. And the same with Horton. I don't know

692
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:36,899
Speaker 2: Horton was black, incidentally, until it was mentioned, because I

693
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:40,060
Speaker 2: only read the papers. It was amazing to me when

694
00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:42,060
Speaker 2: I first heard that it was a racist issue. I said, oh,

695
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:44,819
Speaker 2: he must be black. I swear to you, I give

696
00:49:44,819 --> 00:49:46,819
Speaker 2: you my word. I did not know the man was

697
00:49:46,859 --> 00:49:50,500
Speaker 2: black because I read newspapers and don't watch TV, so

698
00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:52,299
Speaker 2: I never saw a picture of him. I didn't have

699
00:49:52,339 --> 00:49:56,020
Speaker 2: any Imagy was black. And incidentally, I am convinced, as

700
00:49:56,060 --> 00:49:58,459
Speaker 2: the day is long, if Horton were white, they would

701
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:00,820
Speaker 2: have made just as big a deal about it. Because

702
00:50:00,859 --> 00:50:03,339
Speaker 2: you remember that guy who hacked off the girl's arms

703
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:06,859
Speaker 2: here in LA. He was white. The guy couldn't move

704
00:50:06,859 --> 00:50:11,020
Speaker 2: anywhere in California. Most Americans care if the hacker is

705
00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:15,459
Speaker 2: white or black. I mean, that's racist. The charges are

706
00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:19,060
Speaker 2: more racist than the Horton issue was. If Horton were white,

707
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:23,859
Speaker 2: Bush wouldn't have made a deal. It's demeaning to the

708
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:32,979
Speaker 2: American people to make that argument. I said. It's permissiveness

709
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:39,340
Speaker 2: that's associated with liberalism. Take abortion. Apparently, according to polling,

710
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:47,580
Speaker 2: most Americans are pro choice. I'm pro choice, but I

711
00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:51,900
Speaker 2: have very little in common with the liberal position on abortion.

712
00:50:53,180 --> 00:50:56,660
Speaker 2: That's the irony. Now, how could that be? I'm pro choice,

713
00:50:56,859 --> 00:51:02,060
Speaker 2: conservatives are antipe choice, and I feel closer to conservatives

714
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:06,580
Speaker 2: on abortion. How is that possible? That will help you

715
00:51:06,739 --> 00:51:13,380
Speaker 2: understand why l has become a dirty word. It's the rhetoric,

716
00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:18,620
Speaker 2: it's the thinking, it's the philosophy. Most Americans feel very

717
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:25,259
Speaker 2: bad about abortion. They perceive that liberals don't. The perception

718
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:27,700
Speaker 2: is I got a letter today from Ira Glasser, not

719
00:51:27,739 --> 00:51:31,100
Speaker 2: personally a form letter that I should send money to

720
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:34,780
Speaker 2: the ACLU. They obviously don't check their lists very carefully.

721
00:51:38,739 --> 00:51:42,299
Speaker 2: And in the letter, what does he say said? Well,

722
00:51:42,299 --> 00:51:46,540
Speaker 2: you must support the ACLU because we don't want a

723
00:51:46,580 --> 00:51:55,660
Speaker 2: Bush administration to undo women's reproductive rights. The second you

724
00:51:55,700 --> 00:52:00,540
Speaker 2: say women's reproductive rights, I feel like marching with fundamentalist

725
00:52:00,580 --> 00:52:03,899
Speaker 2: Christians whom I don't share the view of abortion as

726
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:10,459
Speaker 2: murder at all. It's not women's reproductive rights. It is

727
00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:14,499
Speaker 2: the taking of the life. If liberals would at least

728
00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:18,419
Speaker 2: admit that and cry over the decision, they would get

729
00:52:18,460 --> 00:52:22,140
Speaker 2: American support. What is perceived is they don't give a

730
00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:26,100
Speaker 2: good goddamn about that thing in a woman's womb, and

731
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:28,779
Speaker 2: they don't I perceive that. I don't think they give

732
00:52:28,819 --> 00:52:35,100
Speaker 2: a goddamn about it. I screwed, I got pregnant, I kill.

733
00:52:35,259 --> 00:52:40,660
Speaker 2: That's the motto of most abortions. It is not the poor,

734
00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:45,420
Speaker 2: the result of incest or rape. That's phony. The vast

735
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:49,499
Speaker 2: majority of abortions are done by people who didn't use

736
00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:55,060
Speaker 2: birth control and want to undo their mistake. Period. I

737
00:52:55,180 --> 00:53:00,739
Speaker 2: interviewed a gynecologist. The gynecologist obstatrician who delivered my son,

738
00:53:02,460 --> 00:53:08,060
Speaker 2: a Beverly Hills gynecologist. Okay, his clientele on not Watts girls.

739
00:53:09,580 --> 00:53:13,620
Speaker 2: I said to him, just out of curiosity, doctor, how

740
00:53:13,660 --> 00:53:17,140
Speaker 2: many of the of the women, what percentage of the

741
00:53:17,180 --> 00:53:22,260
Speaker 2: women who come in here and are pregnant wish an abortion?

742
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:31,700
Speaker 2: He said about fifty percent. Beverly Hills obstetrician. Immediately, by

743
00:53:31,739 --> 00:53:33,620
Speaker 2: the way, just think of the sadness. The man has

744
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:37,100
Speaker 2: spent his whole life learning how to deliver babies, spends

745
00:53:37,140 --> 00:53:40,180
Speaker 2: half of his time destroying them. Okay, you don't like

746
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:43,859
Speaker 2: the word baby fetuses or make you feel better. Spent

747
00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:47,020
Speaker 2: his life learning how to deliver babies, spends half of

748
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:53,940
Speaker 2: his patients want the babies undelivered. Of those fifty percent,

749
00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:57,660
Speaker 2: I said, how many are married? He said fifty percent?

750
00:53:58,980 --> 00:54:01,060
Speaker 2: So I said, in other words, one out of every

751
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:04,580
Speaker 2: four women who walks into your office pregnant wants an

752
00:54:04,580 --> 00:54:11,500
Speaker 2: abortion is married and wealthy. Correct. Okay, why would a married,

753
00:54:11,779 --> 00:54:15,379
Speaker 2: wealthy woman want an abortion? So as well, I'll tell you,

754
00:54:15,620 --> 00:54:17,939
Speaker 2: mister Brager, to give you an example. Just last week,

755
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:20,379
Speaker 2: the woman came in and she explained to me that

756
00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:22,379
Speaker 2: her she and her husband had been planning a trip

757
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:24,779
Speaker 2: to Europe for quite some time, and this was a

758
00:54:24,859 --> 00:54:30,739
Speaker 2: very inconvenient time to get pregnant. It's a liberal position,

759
00:54:30,819 --> 00:54:36,059
Speaker 2: isn't it. Take a good liberal position, no judgment. Most

760
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:40,140
Speaker 2: Americans do take a judgment on that. There's something very

761
00:54:40,219 --> 00:54:44,259
Speaker 2: hideously wrong about a borning in such a circumstance. I'll

762
00:54:44,339 --> 00:54:46,739
Speaker 2: let her do it. I am legally pro choice, but

763
00:54:46,779 --> 00:54:51,859
Speaker 2: I think the act is despicable. And he gave other

764
00:54:51,940 --> 00:54:54,100
Speaker 2: examples just like that. Others had just thought it a

765
00:54:54,140 --> 00:54:58,219
Speaker 2: new job, a new home, and so on, bad time

766
00:54:58,299 --> 00:55:04,660
Speaker 2: to get pregnant. That's what's perceived as liberal. And when

767
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:09,859
Speaker 2: you talk about reproductive rights, that's exactly what it is.

768
00:55:11,180 --> 00:55:15,620
Speaker 2: It is removing any concept of moral vacillation, of moral

769
00:55:15,739 --> 00:55:19,700
Speaker 2: ambivalence over what is being done. It's like removing a

770
00:55:19,779 --> 00:55:27,300
Speaker 2: decay to gay rights. I think discriminating against gays is wrong.

771
00:55:27,980 --> 00:55:32,060
Speaker 2: I think gay bashing is despicable. On the other hand,

772
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:35,620
Speaker 2: I do not have a liberal position that whether you're

773
00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:39,660
Speaker 2: gay or whether you're straight, it doesn't matter. Everybody should

774
00:55:39,660 --> 00:55:41,939
Speaker 2: do what he wants and it's all a happy go

775
00:55:42,020 --> 00:55:50,860
Speaker 2: lucky civilization. I don't legally I'm pro gay rights morally, socially, theologically,

776
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:56,420
Speaker 2: I think it is sad to say the least, that

777
00:55:55,339 --> 00:56:00,420
Speaker 2: we are not creating a civilization to teach that heterosexual

778
00:56:00,460 --> 00:56:06,660
Speaker 2: marriage is the preferred state. And most Americans feel that way.

779
00:56:07,540 --> 00:56:11,739
Speaker 2: Maybe Beverly Hills Jews don't, but most Americans, thank God do.

780
00:56:12,259 --> 00:56:15,219
Speaker 2: It's pretty tragic that Jews don't, since Jews gave the

781
00:56:15,259 --> 00:56:23,739
Speaker 2: heterosexual religious ideal to the world through their Bible. And finally,

782
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:31,259
Speaker 2: two final things, taxes. Here is the classic case of

783
00:56:31,299 --> 00:56:35,180
Speaker 2: why liberals think conservatives are selfish. Say they're against any

784
00:56:35,339 --> 00:56:39,379
Speaker 2: rise in taxes to protect the rich, as if it's

785
00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:43,740
Speaker 2: the rich who pay taxes. I mean, there is something

786
00:56:43,859 --> 00:56:48,660
Speaker 2: so bizarre here. When taxes are raised, it's the middle

787
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:52,580
Speaker 2: class that gets screwed, not the wealthy who find nine

788
00:56:52,739 --> 00:56:56,779
Speaker 2: thousand tax loopholes. And even if they didn't, do you

789
00:56:56,819 --> 00:57:00,940
Speaker 2: think they really care the wealthy don't care? The wealthy

790
00:57:00,980 --> 00:57:05,859
Speaker 2: and not walking around frightened of tax hikes. Where do

791
00:57:05,940 --> 00:57:08,700
Speaker 2: liberals live? They live in a cocoon that who do

792
00:57:08,739 --> 00:57:12,620
Speaker 2: they think they're convincing nobody? The middle class is frightened

793
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:15,340
Speaker 2: by tax hikes, and the middle class votes for Reagan

794
00:57:15,739 --> 00:57:23,820
Speaker 2: it's rich Jews who vote liberal. The middle class hates taxes.

795
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:27,220
Speaker 2: The upper class either avoids them or couldn't care less.

796
00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:31,420
Speaker 2: The bobes four hundred that waking over a tax rise. Oh,

797
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:35,539
Speaker 2: I'll be in a thirty nine percent bracket. Evague, I'll

798
00:57:35,580 --> 00:57:43,340
Speaker 2: have to get rid of one of my planes. There

799
00:57:43,380 --> 00:57:48,940
Speaker 2: is something disconnected to reality here. There isn't an American

800
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:52,180
Speaker 2: I know, outside of radical libertarians, who wouldn't be willing

801
00:57:52,220 --> 00:57:54,900
Speaker 2: to pay more taxes if he believed it would help.

802
00:57:56,540 --> 00:58:00,620
Speaker 2: Nobody believes it'll help. They think it'll cause more inflation,

803
00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:04,420
Speaker 2: more recession, and more spending on things that don't work.

804
00:58:04,740 --> 00:58:08,019
Speaker 2: That's the real reason people are opposed. How otherwise, how

805
00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:10,300
Speaker 2: do you explain the fact that this is the most

806
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:13,540
Speaker 2: charitable society on earth. The amount of Americans gift to

807
00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:20,019
Speaker 2: charity is enormous. If they're so cheap, how come that's

808
00:58:20,060 --> 00:58:24,780
Speaker 2: the issue with taxes, not selfishness. People don't believe it works.

809
00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:28,660
Speaker 2: I don't believe it works. I give charity that extra thing,

810
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,380
Speaker 2: what does it go for. I'll give more charity or

811
00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:34,780
Speaker 2: I'll pay I pay my taxes. Honestly, if I had

812
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:38,540
Speaker 2: another percent, I would be shattered That's why I have

813
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:42,380
Speaker 2: left Liberals because of taxes. I spend my life talking

814
00:58:42,420 --> 00:58:49,340
Speaker 2: about ethics, about paying taxes. Honestly, it's nonsense. If you

815
00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:52,540
Speaker 2: want to believe it, believe it, but it's not true.

816
00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:55,660
Speaker 2: And believing it's true costs the Democrats the White House

817
00:58:55,660 --> 00:59:00,540
Speaker 2: every four years. America is selfish. Americans don't believe taxation

818
00:59:00,660 --> 00:59:07,900
Speaker 2: will work. Where people are not taxed greatly, they produce more.

819
00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:10,860
Speaker 2: Why shouldn't they. If you get more of your money

820
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:16,100
Speaker 2: to keep, you'll try to produce more. I am, by

821
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:18,220
Speaker 2: the way I said this last session, I am for

822
00:59:18,340 --> 00:59:22,700
Speaker 2: taxing the rich personally, suspect the great majority of Americans are.

823
00:59:22,780 --> 00:59:25,860
Speaker 2: The question is how do you do it? Not that

824
00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:29,180
Speaker 2: an income tax clearly doesn't work. It ends up on everybody.

825
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:32,700
Speaker 2: What about a consumption tax? A gentleman said, there are

826
00:59:32,740 --> 00:59:35,979
Speaker 2: problems with that. They're problems with everything, but at least

827
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:38,020
Speaker 2: you know the man who buys the Mercedes has to

828
00:59:38,060 --> 00:59:41,420
Speaker 2: pay more tax than the men who buys a I

829
00:59:41,460 --> 00:59:58,100
Speaker 2: don't know. Dai certainly right, that's certainly right. Korean camera. Finally, finally,

830
00:59:58,260 --> 01:00:02,380
Speaker 2: in this election, there is the unspoken but passionately felt

831
01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:06,620
Speaker 2: issue of Jesse Jackson who as a rule, is loathed

832
01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:10,260
Speaker 2: by most Americans. He is not loath because he's black.

833
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:14,660
Speaker 2: If Jesse Jackson were Irving Bernstein, he would be just

834
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:18,979
Speaker 2: as loath. Many blacks don't wish to believe that many

835
01:00:19,060 --> 01:00:22,660
Speaker 2: liberal whites in that it is not true. They can

836
01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:25,780
Speaker 2: believe that till the cows come home, the man is

837
01:00:25,820 --> 01:00:30,380
Speaker 2: hated because of what he stands for. I personally, I've

838
01:00:30,420 --> 01:00:32,979
Speaker 2: written this, I've said this on the radio, and I

839
01:00:33,140 --> 01:00:36,820
Speaker 2: swear to it. If two equally wealthy candidates ran for

840
01:00:36,860 --> 01:00:39,100
Speaker 2: an office and one were black, I would vote for

841
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:43,500
Speaker 2: the blacks solely on that basis. I deeply, deeply, for

842
01:00:43,620 --> 01:00:47,260
Speaker 2: the most selfish and altruistic reasons, want blacks to thrive

843
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:49,620
Speaker 2: in America. What the hell do I have to gain

844
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:53,939
Speaker 2: by a whole racial group feeling out of it? Even

845
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:56,540
Speaker 2: if I were a bigot, I wouldn't be a stupid bigot.

846
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:03,019
Speaker 2: You have to not only be bigoted not to want

847
01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:04,900
Speaker 2: blacks to thrive in America. You have to be a

848
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:10,940
Speaker 2: stupid bigot. And there aren't that many stupid and bigoted

849
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:14,020
Speaker 2: people in America. Not that many. We and Los Angeles

850
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:16,300
Speaker 2: who have a black mayor can certainly attest to that,

851
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:21,620
Speaker 2: and he almost became governor. Now it is said that

852
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:24,700
Speaker 2: the difference was in fact a handful of white racists.

853
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:27,020
Speaker 2: It may very well be, but it gives you an

854
01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:30,460
Speaker 2: idea of how many people aren't racist. And I wouldn't

855
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:32,700
Speaker 2: be surprised. Had he been Republican, he would have won.

856
01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:37,980
Speaker 2: Blacks who run for Republican seats would probably have magnificent chances.

857
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:42,900
Speaker 2: In general, Jesse Jackson I believe to be the most

858
01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:51,180
Speaker 2: dangerous public person in the United States of America. Now, now,

859
01:01:52,340 --> 01:01:54,700
Speaker 2: if that's the case that I believe this and I

860
01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:59,620
Speaker 2: am not out of it, then apparently a lot of

861
01:01:59,660 --> 01:02:06,380
Speaker 2: Americans also believe this. I say it, most people don't

862
01:02:06,380 --> 01:02:09,780
Speaker 2: say it because to say it is to be greeted

863
01:02:09,780 --> 01:02:12,340
Speaker 2: by cause of racist to which I will just add

864
01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:15,780
Speaker 2: the following and then take your comments. I say all

865
01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:20,060
Speaker 2: these things on the radio about Jackson to the extent incidentally,

866
01:02:20,060 --> 01:02:23,260
Speaker 2: where I had a very hute experience in Marie Callender's

867
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:33,939
Speaker 2: half a year ago. I eated only the classiest places. Well,

868
01:02:33,940 --> 01:02:37,780
Speaker 2: they have the best pie in the world.

869
01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:38,820
Speaker 4: The decor is.

870
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:47,100
Speaker 2: Not exactly at any rate. I was seated one one

871
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:49,939
Speaker 2: day and I was reading my paper and there were

872
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:55,460
Speaker 2: two elderly women I suspect were Jewish at the table

873
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:59,260
Speaker 2: next to me, and I overheard one saying to the other,

874
01:03:00,020 --> 01:03:01,820
Speaker 2: do you know what I heard last night on the

875
01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:07,700
Speaker 2: radio Dennis Crager? He called Jesse Jackson a bum. She

876
01:03:07,740 --> 01:03:11,140
Speaker 2: couldn't get over that somebody on the radio called Jesse

877
01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:17,700
Speaker 2: Jackson a bump. Incidentally, black holers will call me on

878
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:20,060
Speaker 2: on occasion say I'm a racist on the air. If

879
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:21,860
Speaker 2: I say that, why way. I just want you to

880
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:25,180
Speaker 2: know I get a lot of black callers, fifty percent

881
01:03:25,380 --> 01:03:30,900
Speaker 2: agree with me. I obviously not part of the majority,

882
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:34,460
Speaker 2: but I just want you to understand that there is

883
01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:37,140
Speaker 2: almost a relief on their part, at least those blacks

884
01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:39,979
Speaker 2: suits don't like Jesse Jackson. That somebody could actually say

885
01:03:39,980 --> 01:03:45,180
Speaker 2: it on the radio and come back next week. But

886
01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:48,340
Speaker 2: there are those who say you're racist, and to which

887
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:52,700
Speaker 2: I answer, I'm not racist, and to which they say,

888
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:55,700
Speaker 2: why aren't you racist? And now we have a discussion,

889
01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:57,700
Speaker 2: now am I racist or not? Most of the time

890
01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:01,260
Speaker 2: they leave thinking I'm wrong and not a racist. It's

891
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:03,620
Speaker 2: so patronizing of blacks not to say what you think

892
01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:07,580
Speaker 2: about Jesse Jackson. So you'll get call a racist, and

893
01:04:07,660 --> 01:04:10,740
Speaker 2: then the issue ends. My father taught me that it

894
01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:13,220
Speaker 2: was a great thing. He used to have a thing.

895
01:04:13,340 --> 01:04:15,580
Speaker 2: It wasn't The issue wasn't racism, he said, So why

896
01:04:15,580 --> 01:04:19,900
Speaker 2: do they They'll call me pitcher and I've established that

897
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:23,140
Speaker 2: in my life, So they call me a name. What

898
01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:26,980
Speaker 2: happens the next minute you have said what you believe

899
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:30,260
Speaker 2: to be true. People know where you stand, and you

900
01:04:30,260 --> 01:04:33,939
Speaker 2: have much more credibility than on the next issue. I

901
01:04:34,060 --> 01:04:38,220
Speaker 2: said last fall, the Democrat who takes on Jesse Jackson

902
01:04:38,220 --> 01:04:41,060
Speaker 2: in the primaries can run for Emperor of the United

903
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:44,820
Speaker 2: States and women. But none did and that made a

904
01:04:44,860 --> 01:04:50,260
Speaker 2: deep impact on Americans. Deep impact that too was considered liberal.

905
01:04:51,060 --> 01:04:56,220
Speaker 2: Not to confront the Jesse Jackson liberal as liberal, see

906
01:04:56,340 --> 01:05:02,860
Speaker 2: conservative as conservative slash rambo conservatives, and that is mainstream America,

907
01:05:02,860 --> 01:05:07,340
Speaker 2: I should say, not conservatives. Mainstream America sees liberal as

908
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:15,180
Speaker 2: liberal slash will That's what's happened. Okay, I'll take your

909
01:05:15,220 --> 01:05:19,980
Speaker 2: comments and other thoughts. Yes, please, the one Democrat to.

910
01:05:20,060 --> 01:05:24,340
Speaker 4: Gense during the age of the campaign, what's dead potch

911
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:26,340
Speaker 4: and look what happens to the one who told the truth,

912
01:05:26,540 --> 01:05:28,180
Speaker 4: and look what happened to him to he do he

913
01:05:28,260 --> 01:05:32,180
Speaker 4: finally happened back up a period.

914
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:35,820
Speaker 2: Of yes, uh being pointed out, Uh, look what happened

915
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:39,340
Speaker 2: the Democrat to take uh to take uh on uh

916
01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:42,459
Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson, Uh and that was Mayor Couch of New York,

917
01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:46,380
Speaker 2: right and uh, well that right, There is some truth

918
01:05:46,420 --> 01:05:48,660
Speaker 2: to that cause. The lady points out that he made

919
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:50,260
Speaker 2: it a Jewish issue. He should have made it an

920
01:05:50,260 --> 01:05:54,660
Speaker 2: American issue, which is true. However, what one has to say,

921
01:05:54,780 --> 01:05:57,420
Speaker 2: why can blacks have black issues but Jews can't have

922
01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:00,780
Speaker 2: Jewish issues? See but jew If a Jew speaks about

923
01:06:00,860 --> 01:06:04,939
Speaker 2: Jewish concerns, he's he's provincial. If a c if a

924
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:08,939
Speaker 2: Hispanic speaks about Hispanic concerns, that's beautiful. He's rooted in

925
01:06:08,980 --> 01:06:11,940
Speaker 2: his community. Right. In other words, he has a perfect

926
01:06:12,020 --> 01:06:14,059
Speaker 2: right touch to do what he did.

927
01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:19,260
Speaker 3: Well wait, hold on, is it is an American issue

928
01:06:19,260 --> 01:06:20,580
Speaker 3: but it's also a Jewish issue?

929
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:24,460
Speaker 2: It's both. I agree it's primarily an American issue. I

930
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:28,340
Speaker 2: agree with that. And my theory, which I wrote in

931
01:06:28,380 --> 01:06:30,900
Speaker 2: the very first issue in my newsletter, Jesse Jackson in

932
01:06:30,980 --> 01:06:37,300
Speaker 2: the meaning of antisemitism is that demagogues first.

933
01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:39,979
Speaker 3: Start up with the Jews, and when non Jews don't

934
01:06:40,020 --> 01:06:44,260
Speaker 3: recognize this, they will suffer, but the Jews suffer first.

935
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:46,459
Speaker 2: It starts out that way.

936
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:50,060
Speaker 3: It's almost like a divine role that the black pulls

937
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:51,060
Speaker 3: first on the Jews.

938
01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:54,860
Speaker 2: It is for somebody to say he's a naked emperor.

939
01:06:55,780 --> 01:06:58,660
Speaker 2: Nobody does, and it's a dangerous thing, but it is

940
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:01,740
Speaker 2: certainly part of the reason that they will not get

941
01:07:01,780 --> 01:07:06,419
Speaker 2: to the White House. Now ed Koch was a sacrificial land.

942
01:07:07,460 --> 01:07:10,140
Speaker 2: By the way, you should all know that black leaders

943
01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:15,380
Speaker 2: did not support Jackson in eighty four. Prescott King was

944
01:07:15,380 --> 01:07:18,420
Speaker 2: the most credibility of black leaders, being the widow of

945
01:07:19,420 --> 01:07:25,180
Speaker 2: Mantin Luther King. UH did not embrace him, though recently

946
01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:29,099
Speaker 2: though a few months ago, and she had good reason

947
01:07:29,180 --> 01:07:30,019
Speaker 2: not to have, given what.

948
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:34,060
Speaker 3: He had done in the in UH portraying himself as

949
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:37,300
Speaker 3: the man in him from his arms Martin Luther King died,

950
01:07:37,340 --> 01:07:38,180
Speaker 3: who was with him.

951
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:40,900
Speaker 2: As his royal follower till the end? And so on?

952
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:45,580
Speaker 2: But listen, how could a black leader be less black

953
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:50,300
Speaker 2: than the white liberal press. In other words, it became untenable.

954
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:52,580
Speaker 2: The same thing with the mayor of UH of Atlanta

955
01:07:52,660 --> 01:07:53,019
Speaker 2: what's his.

956
01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:56,700
Speaker 3: Name, and Andrew Young didn't support him.

957
01:07:56,740 --> 01:07:59,620
Speaker 2: A lot of black leaders didn't, but it became impossible.

958
01:07:59,980 --> 01:08:02,340
Speaker 2: If the white press says Jesse Jackson is the leader

959
01:08:02,380 --> 01:08:05,939
Speaker 2: of the blacks, how could a black leader disagree? He

960
01:08:06,060 --> 01:08:10,180
Speaker 2: was created by white liberals much more than by black support.

961
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:14,979
Speaker 2: That is the irony of it. Yes, uh, well give

962
01:08:15,020 --> 01:08:18,660
Speaker 2: it yougether. I mean exactly that the most uh particular

963
01:08:18,660 --> 01:08:23,900
Speaker 2: around the world. Once ago the Uniteds are you from Switzerland?

964
01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:27,460
Speaker 2: And not I say, are you from Switzerland? Oh? Okay? Yeah?

965
01:08:30,460 --> 01:08:30,620
Speaker 5: Uh?

966
01:08:33,020 --> 01:08:34,620
Speaker 2: How'd you know they had to.

967
01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:36,620
Speaker 3: The people?

968
01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:40,620
Speaker 2: Wasn't as uh, very very good question.

969
01:08:40,740 --> 01:08:42,740
Speaker 3: What if Switzerland had as open a policy as the

970
01:08:42,780 --> 01:08:44,059
Speaker 3: United States, maybe they would.

971
01:08:43,860 --> 01:08:46,500
Speaker 2: Flock the Swiss embasies as much. I still don't think

972
01:08:46,540 --> 01:08:51,300
Speaker 2: they would. But my point about how moral America is

973
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:54,979
Speaker 2: is is is uh simply reinforced by the fact that

974
01:08:55,019 --> 01:08:57,540
Speaker 2: we do let them in far more than anybody else.

975
01:08:58,180 --> 01:09:00,500
Speaker 2: In other words, if even if what you say were true,

976
01:09:00,660 --> 01:09:04,300
Speaker 2: it would just uh further reinforce my plane to the

977
01:09:04,340 --> 01:09:07,900
Speaker 2: singular moral role America plays in the world. Vietnamese boat

978
01:09:07,939 --> 01:09:11,900
Speaker 2: people were taken in by the United States. Japan, which

979
01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:23,660
Speaker 2: is at that sea, took in none.

980
01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:27,259
Speaker 3: The Dukakis campaign has tried to use the Dukakis cover

981
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:30,980
Speaker 3: up the Dukakis governup has they tried to use the

982
01:09:30,979 --> 01:09:33,740
Speaker 3: the Iran contra affair the entire time.

983
01:09:33,979 --> 01:09:38,340
Speaker 2: It's not selling on main Street. It's it's because there's

984
01:09:38,380 --> 01:09:41,940
Speaker 2: no reason it should sell on main Street. The the

985
01:09:41,939 --> 01:09:45,900
Speaker 2: the issue. It was an attempt by Democrats which almost

986
01:09:45,939 --> 01:09:50,139
Speaker 2: succeeded to undo the Reagan and Republican control of the

987
01:09:50,140 --> 01:09:55,460
Speaker 2: White House. It didn't work. Uh, it didn't work. Ironically.

988
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:58,460
Speaker 2: Part of the reason there were two reasons. One, there

989
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:00,460
Speaker 2: was no reason it should work. It wasn't a big

990
01:10:00,580 --> 01:10:06,620
Speaker 2: enough scandal to unseat the president. Number Two, it didn't

991
01:10:06,660 --> 01:10:09,860
Speaker 2: work because of a man named Oliver North. The irony

992
01:10:09,939 --> 01:10:16,020
Speaker 2: there being that the the Democrats wanted the hearings televised,

993
01:10:16,019 --> 01:10:18,540
Speaker 2: which was a demagogic thing to do because it was

994
01:10:18,820 --> 01:10:21,660
Speaker 2: pandering to the to the public should have been closed,

995
01:10:21,979 --> 01:10:24,580
Speaker 2: and then yelled that North stole the zo because it

996
01:10:24,660 --> 01:10:30,300
Speaker 2: was televised. But North und the people suspected that it

997
01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:34,020
Speaker 2: was more political than a very deep sense of revulsion

998
01:10:34,019 --> 01:10:37,620
Speaker 2: that what had happened. They Democrats can't stand the countries,

999
01:10:38,059 --> 01:10:40,259
Speaker 2: so any funding of the countries, whether or not there

1000
01:10:40,260 --> 01:10:42,900
Speaker 2: had been a link up with Iran, would have been

1001
01:10:43,660 --> 01:10:48,260
Speaker 2: would have been detested, but Americans didn't proceed. This is

1002
01:10:48,260 --> 01:10:51,980
Speaker 2: not a Watergate. This was idealistic. It was not selfish.

1003
01:10:52,820 --> 01:10:56,940
Speaker 2: See it was ideals. It was not Watergate was selfish.

1004
01:10:57,140 --> 01:10:59,939
Speaker 2: I have a bunch of corrupt guys to rob from

1005
01:10:59,979 --> 01:11:04,820
Speaker 2: Watergate headquarters to win an election. That's despicable. Here it

1006
01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:12,259
Speaker 2: was I that the motive was not selfish. No, I said,

1007
01:11:12,260 --> 01:11:15,459
Speaker 2: the motive of the government was not of those involved,

1008
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:18,740
Speaker 2: of an Oliver North, of anyone. You think that the

1009
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:23,380
Speaker 2: funding of the countries was for profit, Okay, fine, thank

1010
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:27,180
Speaker 2: god you're in the minority. The vast majority of Americans

1011
01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:30,420
Speaker 2: believe that an Oliver North is an idealistic man who

1012
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:33,500
Speaker 2: didn't want to pocket a penny. Oliver North was more

1013
01:11:33,660 --> 01:11:36,540
Speaker 2: that there were little guys involved in the middle with chicanery.

1014
01:11:36,580 --> 01:11:39,019
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that that's not the issue. That's not what

1015
01:11:39,099 --> 01:11:44,060
Speaker 2: created the scandal. The scandal's purpose was to get hostages

1016
01:11:44,099 --> 01:11:48,019
Speaker 2: for arms, a stupid idea, but one intended for good

1017
01:11:48,220 --> 01:11:51,780
Speaker 2: ends to fund and then to use that later. They

1018
01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:54,740
Speaker 2: were not connected originally, to use that later to fund countries,

1019
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:59,340
Speaker 2: which Americans are ambivalent over but neither ideal, even if

1020
01:11:59,380 --> 01:12:03,740
Speaker 2: you think they're both awful is self serving. That's my point.

1021
01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:07,380
Speaker 2: Watergate was entirely self serving. This is how we use

1022
01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:11,220
Speaker 2: corruption to get elected. That's why there was no comparable

1023
01:12:11,260 --> 01:12:14,499
Speaker 2: thing anymore than if there had been a democratic president

1024
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:18,339
Speaker 2: who had used funds to fund the African National Congress.

1025
01:12:18,380 --> 01:12:22,460
Speaker 2: Let's say, to overthrow of the South African regime would

1026
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:25,420
Speaker 2: have been illegal. But even conservatives would have admitted the

1027
01:12:25,460 --> 01:12:28,660
Speaker 2: issue was not selfish. It was it was wrong ideals,

1028
01:12:28,939 --> 01:12:31,820
Speaker 2: they would have said, but it was still idealism. That's

1029
01:12:31,820 --> 01:12:34,580
Speaker 2: why it's not a war game. Yes, if you.

1030
01:12:34,580 --> 01:12:39,780
Speaker 5: Were Michael bias Agains many months ago the testimal water

1031
01:12:40,540 --> 01:12:42,060
Speaker 5: you're gonnas the Jackson.

1032
01:12:42,059 --> 01:12:47,380
Speaker 2: Suggestion it might to be undertake se well, I thank

1033
01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:51,419
Speaker 2: you because I hope to have that opportunity one day.

1034
01:12:51,460 --> 01:12:55,420
Speaker 2: If I were Michael Dukakis, how would I have taken

1035
01:12:55,500 --> 01:13:00,219
Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson apart months ago? If I had the intestinal fortitude, Well,

1036
01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:02,340
Speaker 2: for one thing, I would have said, I would have

1037
01:13:02,420 --> 01:13:04,939
Speaker 2: taken on a lot of the terminology he used, which

1038
01:13:04,979 --> 01:13:09,420
Speaker 2: was demagogic h and not adopted it. The second he

1039
01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:13,339
Speaker 2: used economic violence in his acceptance speech. I said, Jesse

1040
01:13:13,460 --> 01:13:18,540
Speaker 2: Jackson won the convention. See insidious rhetoric starts seeping in

1041
01:13:18,580 --> 01:13:21,099
Speaker 2: when it's used enough, you've gotta be aware of that.

1042
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:24,220
Speaker 2: I remember the first time I heard that Israel was pacistic,

1043
01:13:24,660 --> 01:13:29,219
Speaker 2: I went crazy. But enough time hearing Israel Zionism is racism,

1044
01:13:29,340 --> 01:13:32,860
Speaker 2: Israel is pacistic, you start to lose anger. You have

1045
01:13:32,939 --> 01:13:36,259
Speaker 2: to cultivate anger on certain things. I hate this term.

1046
01:13:36,340 --> 01:13:41,099
Speaker 2: America commits economic violence against its people. It does not

1047
01:13:41,140 --> 01:13:42,620
Speaker 2: commit economic First of all, I don't know what the

1048
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:46,299
Speaker 2: term means. It's a loaded term. It's a despicable term.

1049
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:49,219
Speaker 2: America may commit economic error as visa via its people.

1050
01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:52,259
Speaker 2: Economic violence means America sets out to hurt its own people.

1051
01:13:52,860 --> 01:13:54,820
Speaker 2: Anyone who believes that should not be running for the

1052
01:13:54,860 --> 01:13:58,220
Speaker 2: president of a country that's so despicable. That's what I

1053
01:13:58,260 --> 01:14:00,780
Speaker 2: would have set to Jesse Jackson, if you truly believe that.

1054
01:14:00,939 --> 01:14:03,820
Speaker 2: He said, I don't agree with the Reagan policies. I

1055
01:14:03,860 --> 01:14:06,460
Speaker 2: think they're hurting our farmers. I think they're hurting our

1056
01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:08,700
Speaker 2: inner cities. I think they're hurting us in trade, and

1057
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:14,540
Speaker 2: I think the federal deficit is catastrophic. But Jesse, I

1058
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Speaker 2: would never use such a term. I think the guy

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Speaker 2: would have been heralded as a savior of the American people,

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Speaker 2: and then he would have said, And furthermore, I must

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Speaker 2: tell you while uh we Democrats UH certainly would never

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Speaker 2: salute uh mister Bota of South Africa and we wanna

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Speaker 2: call his nation an outlaw nation. Uh, I don't quite

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Speaker 2: see the moral difference between mister Bota and mister Castro Jesse,

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Speaker 2: and you're going uh down there and and going viva

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Speaker 2: fidel bothers me and other Democrats a great deal. I

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Speaker 2: think you should apologize, Jesse. That's what I would have done. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: ye that over things.

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Speaker 4: I think I understand why uh push did not so

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Speaker 4: uh Ken.

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Speaker 2: In trying to figure out why, well you recur to

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Speaker 2: the strictly political that he's nothing's advantage tell uh and

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Speaker 2: uh I mistrust him that you know? You find both?

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Speaker 3: Uh could you elaborate on good are you ever to

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01:15:28,099 --> 01:15:30,620
Speaker 3: pay dupidity or just.

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Speaker 2: A question that you just asked? Was naive taste, stupidity

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Speaker 2: or whatever that uh prompted mister Bush to choose mister

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01:15:38,979 --> 01:15:42,099
Speaker 2: Quayle as a question. I have asked some of mister

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Speaker 2: Bush's aides. Uh it it is uh? It is the

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01:15:45,979 --> 01:15:48,660
Speaker 2: a great riddle to me and I I hope it

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01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:53,580
Speaker 2: is neither stupidity nor naive tay, just political miscalculation based

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01:15:53,580 --> 01:15:56,780
Speaker 2: on erroneous data or I I mean, I wanna I

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01:15:56,820 --> 01:15:59,579
Speaker 2: want to believe, since he will probably be the next president,

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01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:02,620
Speaker 2: that it is not as bad as it looks. I.

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01:16:03,059 --> 01:16:05,939
Speaker 2: I would even think that democratic liberals here for the

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01:16:05,979 --> 01:16:08,500
Speaker 2: sake of the country would hope, would hope that that's

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01:16:08,540 --> 01:16:12,740
Speaker 2: the case. Uh I I it is uh. It is remarkable,

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01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:15,860
Speaker 2: uh to to have to have done that. I think

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01:16:15,939 --> 01:16:19,780
Speaker 2: in that regard, UH, it's probably it's there ought to

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01:16:19,820 --> 01:16:21,939
Speaker 2: be something different and in the selection of a vice

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01:16:21,979 --> 01:16:26,500
Speaker 2: presidential UH candidate in uh I it may if there

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01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:29,260
Speaker 2: may be time to either have a separate election or

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01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:32,740
Speaker 2: just abolish the office. Uh it's uh. I think that

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01:16:32,820 --> 01:16:36,620
Speaker 2: this really should cause that sort of thinking. Yeah, okay, it's.

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Speaker 4: Uh question hide the organ stood looks like with information.

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01:16:40,220 --> 01:16:44,260
Speaker 5: Hus well in uh uh Bradley's first crack of the

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01:16:44,340 --> 01:16:48,460
Speaker 5: does ship U post election study of the pig seas

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01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:50,380
Speaker 5: of the state showed that the.

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Speaker 2: Black beginning did not.

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01:16:51,540 --> 01:16:53,620
Speaker 5: Turn out to read a number of what the grady

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01:16:54,059 --> 01:16:57,380
Speaker 5: at grand the end of these uh happy a.

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Speaker 2: Ninety's foot they went, and that was considered the reason.

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01:17:00,260 --> 01:17:07,740
Speaker 3: Why maybe two. That's interesting, I have not heard that. Okay,

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01:17:08,019 --> 01:17:09,860
Speaker 3: let me go to the this side. They always feel

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01:17:09,900 --> 01:17:11,460
Speaker 3: like I am prejudiced.

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01:17:11,019 --> 01:17:17,580
Speaker 2: Against the right wing. Yes, sir, that basically what the

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01:17:19,860 --> 01:17:31,540
Speaker 2: uh are you? Yeah? Uh I I am not forgetting

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01:17:31,580 --> 01:17:34,979
Speaker 2: that at all. It's also unrelated to my claim. They

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01:17:35,019 --> 01:17:35,860
Speaker 2: are anti.

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Speaker 3: Religious and they have defended people who otherwise would have

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01:17:38,059 --> 01:17:38,740
Speaker 3: no defenders.

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Speaker 2: If they're both true, they're anti religious and they have

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01:17:42,099 --> 01:17:44,300
Speaker 2: defended undi indefensible people.

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Speaker 3: Who all people by and large. Yeah, the ACLU is

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01:17:50,700 --> 01:17:52,860
Speaker 3: a political organization. It has as much to do with

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01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:56,419
Speaker 3: civil rights today as Hadasa does, okay.

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01:17:57,220 --> 01:17:59,900
Speaker 2: Uh. And that is the view of many. Alan Dershowitz,

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01:17:59,939 --> 01:18:03,420
Speaker 2: who is uh quite a liberal professor, uh as you

1119
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:06,059
Speaker 2: know and a a a brilliant man uh has written

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01:18:06,059 --> 01:18:08,380
Speaker 2: that it has become a political organization as a left

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01:18:08,380 --> 01:18:11,139
Speaker 2: wing agenda. If you read the letter sent to me today,

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01:18:11,580 --> 01:18:16,019
Speaker 2: uh to to solicit funds, the entire agenda is against Reagan. Uh.

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01:18:16,059 --> 01:18:19,820
Speaker 2: It c it hides behind the cloak of civil liberties. Uh.

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01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:22,740
Speaker 2: But if it love civil liberty so much, explain to

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01:18:22,780 --> 01:18:26,460
Speaker 2: me why it defended the rights of deporting a child

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01:18:26,540 --> 01:18:29,059
Speaker 2: back to the Ukraine after he wanted to stay here.

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01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:34,219
Speaker 2: You remember that the polupchick story. They are left wing.

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Speaker 2: They are not civil liberties. That is what has become

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01:18:38,900 --> 01:18:42,500
Speaker 2: their agenda. The reason for that, by the way, I think,

1130
01:18:42,620 --> 01:18:46,580
Speaker 2: is partially this. The ACLU confronts what I call the

1131
01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:51,139
Speaker 2: March of Dimes syndrome. The March of Dimes existed in

1132
01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:55,339
Speaker 2: order to raise funds to cure polio. Polio was cured.

1133
01:18:55,420 --> 01:18:57,420
Speaker 2: Did the March of Dimes go out of existence? Of

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01:18:57,460 --> 01:18:59,820
Speaker 2: course not. Nobody goes out of existence. Then you have

1135
01:18:59,860 --> 01:19:02,860
Speaker 2: to work for a living. What you then do that

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01:19:02,939 --> 01:19:06,179
Speaker 2: The ACLU is in existence to protect civil liberties. Civil

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01:19:06,220 --> 01:19:08,380
Speaker 2: liberties in the United States are more advanced than on

1138
01:19:08,420 --> 01:19:09,979
Speaker 2: any place on the planet of Earth.

1139
01:19:10,420 --> 01:19:13,019
Speaker 3: And since I don't believe his life elsewhere, they're more

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01:19:13,059 --> 01:19:16,380
Speaker 3: advanced here than in the universe. Did they go out

1141
01:19:16,380 --> 01:19:21,299
Speaker 3: of business, No, they invent new civil libertarian issues. Civil

1142
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:25,460
Speaker 3: liberties here are staggeringly assured. A criminal has more rights

1143
01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:26,499
Speaker 3: in the United States.

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01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:30,019
Speaker 2: And excuse me, an accused criminal has more rights in

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01:19:30,019 --> 01:19:33,019
Speaker 2: the United States than anywhere in the world, including Britain

1146
01:19:33,059 --> 01:19:37,620
Speaker 2: from which we learned the democracy. But they but they

1147
01:19:37,660 --> 01:19:41,979
Speaker 2: still argue for more things became the Miranda thing so

1148
01:19:42,099 --> 01:19:45,340
Speaker 2: that you undo a rapist sentence if you somehow got

1149
01:19:45,340 --> 01:19:48,780
Speaker 2: the evidence or excuse me, did not read to the

1150
01:19:48,860 --> 01:19:54,059
Speaker 2: man his rights. Is Britain an authoritarian country. They don't

1151
01:19:54,059 --> 01:19:58,660
Speaker 2: have such a law as France, Scandinavia, the enlightened Scandinavians.

1152
01:19:58,700 --> 01:20:00,979
Speaker 2: You think Norwegian police a excuse me, I'd like to

1153
01:20:00,979 --> 01:20:05,019
Speaker 2: read you Norwegian law prior to arresting you only here

1154
01:20:05,059 --> 01:20:07,860
Speaker 2: and it's considered a civil right. They should be out

1155
01:20:07,860 --> 01:20:12,139
Speaker 2: of business, the ACLU, but the groups don't like to

1156
01:20:12,140 --> 01:20:18,580
Speaker 2: go out of business. I don't blame him. Yes, one

1157
01:20:18,620 --> 01:20:24,939
Speaker 2: aspect though, Let me think this, ye, why do I

1158
01:20:25,019 --> 01:20:28,219
Speaker 2: think American Jews have become so liberal? With three minutes

1159
01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:31,740
Speaker 2: to go as impossible, it will probably be a lecture.

1160
01:20:32,019 --> 01:20:34,939
Speaker 2: It will probably be one of the classes. However, I

1161
01:20:34,979 --> 01:20:37,220
Speaker 2: will give you a hint, since I never like you

1162
01:20:37,300 --> 01:20:40,620
Speaker 2: to throw out a question. The American Jews who are

1163
01:20:40,660 --> 01:20:44,820
Speaker 2: that liberal nine percent of the time are not religious.

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01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:51,860
Speaker 2: Jews are very religious people, and if they don't use Judaism.

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01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:54,299
Speaker 3: As their religion, they will have something else as their religion.

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01:20:54,780 --> 01:20:58,179
Speaker 3: In this case it is liberals. Jews don't do well

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01:20:58,260 --> 01:21:01,979
Speaker 3: without causes to change the world. So if it's not

1168
01:21:02,019 --> 01:21:05,019
Speaker 3: gonna be Judaism, It's going to be something else. That's

1169
01:21:05,019 --> 01:21:11,860
Speaker 3: why they develop Christianity, Marxism, liberalism, ethical humanism. Jews makeisms

1170
01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:18,660
Speaker 3: like Japanese make transistence. It is and this is, This

1171
01:21:18,740 --> 01:21:21,939
Speaker 3: is the passion that Jews. That is why secular Jews

1172
01:21:21,939 --> 01:21:24,900
Speaker 3: a liberal. They don't have a religion. This is their religion.

1173
01:21:25,939 --> 01:21:28,900
Speaker 3: They perfect the world, not under the rule of God,

1174
01:21:29,220 --> 01:21:32,179
Speaker 3: but under the rule of government. With that, I promise

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Speaker 3: next time, only questions first twenty minutes.

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