1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: There is a particular kind of tired that comes from 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: trying to hold everything together, not just busy, but inwardly 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: stressed and hurried, the kind where even good things like family, 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: work or ministry they start to feel heavy. And into 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: that kind of life, Jesus does not offer another strategy 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: or system. He offers his own presence and he says, 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: remain in me. Well, my friends, I'm jem Faddling and 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 2: this is the Unhurried Living Podcast where we inspire you 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: to rest deeper, live fuller, and lead better. Today, I'm 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: talking with writer, speaker, social media influencer, and mama FORR 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: Yvette Henry, on how to let go trust and stay 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: rooted in Jesus. After a word from our sponsor, will 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: dive into our conversation for today. My guest today is 15 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: Vet Henry. Vett is a dynamic writer, speaker, social media influencer, 16 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: and mom to four children. Alongside her husband Glenn, she 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: co hosts the hit podcast How Married Are You and 18 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: a thriving YouTube channel that has more than a million followers. 19 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: She uses her platform to connect and encourage women through 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: honest conversations about life's challenges. Vett has released a book 21 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: entitled Release Rest, Remain, a thirty day journey for busy 22 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: women who are longing for peace and joy in the 23 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: middle of life's chaos. Rooted in Jesus' word from John fifteen, 24 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 2: this book gently calls us away from striving and back 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: into abiding, learning how to release what we were never 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: meant to carry, rest in God's presence and remain grounded 27 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: in his love. I'm really looking forward to this conversation 28 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: about slowing down, letting go, and discovering the kind of 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: spiritus fruit that grows not from effort but from connection. Well, Yvette, 30 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me here today and 31 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: welcome to the Unheard Living Podcast. 32 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Yeah. 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: Well, as I mentioned to you off camera, your publicist 34 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: sent us a note, and as soon as I saw 35 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: the title of your book and I realized that it 36 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: was about John fifteen, I absolutely knew that I needed 37 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: to talk to you because John fifteen has been a 38 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: very important chapter and message since I was in my twenties, 39 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: so thirty five years at least, I've especially the phrase 40 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: apart from me, you can do nothing. 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 42 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: So I'm wondering why is this passage important to you? 43 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: How has it shaped you over time. 44 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: So, man, I've encountered the passage a couple of times. 45 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: Back in twenty one, I meandered, I don't even know 46 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: if the meander is the right word. But in twenty 47 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: twenty one, my sister in law passed away and thank you, 48 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: and it unlocked a grief that I had I didn't understand. 49 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: It felt familiar but also very unfamiliar. It was pretty 50 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: much it was pretty debilitating, to be completely honest with you, 51 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: and I realized that it wasn't just her passing. It 52 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: was it was a grief that I could no longer 53 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: like contain, if that makes sense. You know how you 54 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: experience things throughout life, and then you just kind of 55 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: keep pushing because what else can you do. You have 56 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: to go from one day to the next. You have 57 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: to put one foot and forth in front of the other, 58 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: and you just have to keep going. But after she passed, 59 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: and after all the family had come through for the 60 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: services and it was finally quiet again, it was just 61 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: something I couldn't ignore and it was something that I 62 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: needed to be present with. And I remember standing at 63 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: my kitchen sink looking out the window, thinking like I 64 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: can't continue as I've been continuing and ignoring this grief. Now, 65 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: mind you, this is my husband's wife, I mean sister, 66 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: and so the grief that he was experiencing was something different, 67 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: way different, and much more personal than what I was 68 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: experiencing myself. But my husband was gracious enough to allow 69 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: me to go to a therapy intensive. It was with 70 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: a Christian therapist, and it was a silence and solitude 71 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: type experience. And so I was gone for three weeks. Literally, 72 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: when you go there, you give him your cell phone. 73 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 1: He gives you like the little old school flip phone 74 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: for emergencies that has his phone number programmed into it, 75 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: and you kind of stay in what I'm going to 76 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: call a cabin for the lack of better terms. And 77 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: I remember feeling this heaviness about going. I remember feeling 78 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: guilty about going. My husband had just lost his sister. 79 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: We had four kids at home. I'm a I'm the 80 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: primary parent, we homeschool, so my absence was going to 81 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: be felt deeply. But I knew I had to do something. 82 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: I had to have this time, and so I remember 83 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: when I was leaving, I was looking forward to having 84 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: like a lone time with may Ava and I and 85 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: and you know, it's interesting because when I got there, 86 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: I feel like the Lord was like, I've been with 87 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: you this entire time. Like I've been with you this 88 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: entire time. You didn't have to come all the way 89 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: out here to Fox Island to spend time with me. 90 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: But in his graciousness, it's like he got it. There's 91 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: a lot of noise in my everyday life and just 92 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: in life in general, and so as you can imagine, 93 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: during that three weeks, I didn't have a TV, I 94 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: didn't have a computer, I didn't have anything but my 95 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: Bible nature and just time with the Lord. And I 96 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: fell into John fifteen and it was one of those 97 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: passages of scripture that just reminded me of my place, 98 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: of the position that I play, like I don't have 99 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: to do anything. Literally, God is telling me to remain 100 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: in him and that he is going to be the 101 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: one that produces the fruit. So all the things that 102 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: I'm striving for, all the accomplishments I'm wanting to have, 103 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: all the check boxes that I think I have to check, 104 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: like those things are not necessarily my responsibility. And I'm 105 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: not saying this in a sense of like, oh, just 106 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: sit here and do nothing and twiddle my thumbs and 107 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: you know whatever. But all the pressure and all the 108 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: weight that I had put on myself, I felt like 109 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: the lure was like, I don't want you to do 110 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: anything but remain in me. And the closer you are 111 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: to me, the more you draw near to me, the 112 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: more you acknowledge my presence in your life, even in 113 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: the mundane moments, the better off you will be, or 114 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: the lighter you will feel, the more joy you will experience. 115 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: And so it was there in that cabin that I 116 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: encountered John fifteen, and it really blessed me, and I couldn't. 117 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't let it go. And the therapist that I 118 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: was working with during the intensive, I'm so sorry. Can 119 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: you hear that? No? Okay, good, My Alexa just reminded 120 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: me something. 121 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: Good for her. She's kidding us on our toes. 122 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: Indeed, I should unplug her, but yeah, and so he 123 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: encouraged me. He was like, I think one of my 124 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: assignments before leaving was to find a centering prayer, and 125 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: the centering prayer that I found came from John fifteen, 126 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: which was rest and remain in the presence of the 127 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: Lord and allow him to do the rest, and so 128 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: ever since then, I haven't been able to get that. 129 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: It's like become a whisper anytime that I start to 130 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: feel anxious, anytime that I start to get ahead of 131 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: the Lord. For myself, it's been something that has constantly 132 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: fallen into my spirit, remain in the presence of the 133 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: Lord and allow him to do the rest. And then 134 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: over time it evolved into really rest remain And I 135 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: feel like I'm talking a lot, so stop me at anyone. No, 136 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: that's good. 137 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful story. It makes so much sense for sure, 138 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: And that invitation to step into that whenever you sort 139 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: of notice yourself in a different mode, one that you 140 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 2: don't want to be in or it's unhelpful or whatever, 141 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: and have a place to return to sounds very inviting. Yeah, 142 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 2: so good for me recently, obviously, I have John fifteen, 143 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: which comes back so often remain abide whatever translation you have. 144 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: But there's another verse that's been very helpful to me 145 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: in this same way more recently, which is Isaiah thirty, 146 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: verse fifteen, which is in quietness and trust is your strength. 147 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: So the same story that you're sharing about how I 148 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: find myself like energized that in a way that's leading 149 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 2: me to anxiety, or to depletion, or to any number 150 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: of things. I just sort of take a deep breath 151 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: and come back to now quietness and trust is my strength. Yeah, 152 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: and there's that place inside of yourself, right that sort 153 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: of feels the truth of that. I love that. 154 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 155 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: So, well, what's really cool about your book? And this 156 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: is kind of how I want to frame our conversation 157 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: here as you've sort of divided it into these words 158 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: that you already shared, release, rest, and remain, And we 159 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: should mention it's a thirty day devotional journey for women. 160 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: Get that right out there upfront. But I'm sure anybody 161 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: could benefit from it. But we know women are tired 162 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: and busy, and especially as we're aging. We're in the 163 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: Sandwich generation. All my friends have adult children and aging parents, 164 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: and there's so much going on, maybe a job or 165 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: even a retirement job, right, Yeah, So release, rest, remain. 166 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 2: I thought it might be interesting because there were also 167 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: words that you used that went with each one that 168 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: I really love, which are let go, trust and stay rooted. Yes, 169 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: so beautiful. So I'm wondering I'd love to circle around 170 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: each one sort of in turn and just start with 171 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: the idea of release. Let's talk about what does that 172 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: even mean. The phrase that you used was let go 173 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: of control, fear and expectations to embrace the true vine. 174 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So when I came back from my intensive, 175 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: I acknowledged that I had experienced this mountaintop experience. Right, 176 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: It's like I had this awesome time with the Lord, 177 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: life changing even time with the Lord, and then I 178 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: came back home in noe else had experienced that, and 179 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: so I was trying to carry with me that like peace, 180 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: and I don't know, it was a sacred time I 181 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: was trying to carry out with me home. But when 182 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: I got home, my four kids didn't care what I 183 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: had just experienced. They were just happy to have their 184 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: mom back and get back into our old trananigans. My 185 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: husband hadn't fully experienced it. And my conversation was changing, 186 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: my mindset was changing. There was a lot of things 187 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: that were changing. And I realized that I was trying to, 188 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, bring everybody along with me or like 189 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: help them understand what I had just experienced, and like 190 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: how I was trying to move forward it says, I 191 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: raised my hand, sorry, and so yeah, and so from 192 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: that I came the word release. You know. It was 193 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, yeah, like you 194 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: know that your call to rest remain in the presence 195 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: of the Lord, but in order to do that, you're 196 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: gonna have to release some things. You're gonna have to 197 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: release control, You're gonna have to release expectations, you're gonna 198 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: have to release standards that you're setting for other people. 199 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: Your grip has to be loosened. And in that, I 200 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: feel like the Lord and I feel like this is 201 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: an analogy that so many of us have experienced or 202 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: seen in the Christian faith. But it's like when your 203 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: grip is release, yes, beings can be taken from it, 204 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: but also there's room for the Lord to put things 205 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: in it that are your responsibility and what you're called to. 206 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: And so I realized that I had to let go. 207 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: I had to And and the other thing about it 208 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: is that like when you're like this, it's not a 209 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: RESTful position, but when you release your grip, then there's 210 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: less tension, and the muscles in your body, like physically 211 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: the muscles in your body, but even emotionally and spiritually, 212 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: things just begin to relax and you begin to understand 213 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: that what's for you is for you and what's not 214 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: is not you know what I mean? Yes, And so 215 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: I also like to envision like my hand's just kind 216 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: of resting in the palm of the Lord's hands, you know, 217 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: like whatever I'm carrying, he's carrying as well, or if 218 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: not altogether. And so that is where a release came from. 219 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: It was like I knew that I had to rest 220 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: and remain in him, but I was still trying to 221 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: control things. And so rest, I realize, I'm going to 222 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: give you an analogy, and I think I share this 223 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: in one of the devotions. For a while, I had 224 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: to asked my husband, Hey, you know I could use 225 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: some help around the house. You think we can like 226 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: maybe hire a nanny or you know, get some help. 227 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: And it was a long I feel like it was 228 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: like maybe a year eighteen months that I was working 229 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: on him for that. You know, obviously we had to 230 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: find room in the budget, and also we just had 231 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: to find the right person. And so eventually we found 232 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: the right person and we found him in the budget. 233 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: We hired a nanny and then it was like she 234 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: was there, but I wasn't willing to let go of things, 235 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, it was like she was an 236 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: extra adult body and like I minimally trusted her with 237 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: some things, but other things, I was like, no, I 238 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: got it. And eventually my husband and I had to 239 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: have like a come to Jesus talk, like Okay, so 240 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: are you gonna let this girl do her job or 241 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: are you going to still try to control? Like the 242 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: whole idea was for her to release you of some 243 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: duties and you know whatever. And I realized that it 244 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: was a trust issue. I realized that I trusted myself 245 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: with certain tasks. I knew how I wanted them done, 246 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, all the things. But as she began to build, 247 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: So the beautiful thing about her, and I've never found 248 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: anyone as great as her since, but the beautiful thing 249 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: about her is she began she began to take initiative, 250 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: and she began to prove to me that like she 251 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: could handle certain things. She like, for she had this 252 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: really beautiful ability to like the steps ahead of me, 253 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: so that like things were getting done. I was being 254 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: I would find myself I'm about to do this and 255 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: it's already done, and I'm like, oh, okay, I can 256 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: trust her. Like she she's very observant, she has ex 257 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: up on how I like things. She's doing a good job, 258 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: and so when I was able to trust her, I 259 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: was able to relax or rest in a way that 260 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: allowed me to release some responsibilities. So I felt like, 261 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: so even the same is true with the Lord. I 262 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: feel like sometimes when we allow ourselves to truly acknowledge 263 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: who he is, who his word says he is, who 264 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 1: we've experienced him to be, and you know what I mean, Like, 265 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: I feel like that when we really take time to 266 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: sit with that and acknowledge it, we realize, oh, this 267 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: is someone I can trust, like I can trust him 268 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: with this, and from that we can rest, we can remain, 269 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: And so that's how we get into remain. I feel like, 270 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: once you know you can trust the Lord, then you're 271 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: fully able to rest, You're really able to have that 272 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: posture of rest. And then the important thing is once 273 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: you found that, you have to remain there. And the 274 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: only way we remain there is by studying his word, 275 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: by seeking him in the little themes. I feel like 276 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: when you are in the Word of God, you get 277 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: to know his voice, you get to know his character, 278 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: you get to you're more attuned to him in a 279 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: way that you see him in your everyday interactions, in 280 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: your everyday life and in all the things. And so 281 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: for me, what I say in the devotional is, this 282 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: is not a three step process. This is not something 283 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: where it's rest camma. I mean, it's not something where 284 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: it's released comma rest, comma, remain period. It's a rhythm. 285 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: It's something that we have to constantly remind ourselves to 286 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: do because even I someone who's been living with this 287 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: rhythm for three years, I am still trying to pick 288 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: stuff up. I'm like, okay, but then I have to 289 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: remind myself that I have to release the things. And 290 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: so the remain is like the reminder to remain. But 291 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: we don't always remain there because we are also human, 292 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're we are people who worry. We are 293 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: people who who deal with real life stuff, and we 294 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: know who God is and what he's capable of, and 295 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: we've seen him move in ways. I was just having 296 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: this conversation with my husband this morning, but still like, 297 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 1: we sometimes have to get out of our mind. And 298 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: my prayer is that the longer I live with this 299 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: rhythm is at the easier it becomes you know, like 300 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: maybe I'm picking things up less often and I'm and 301 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm gratefully releasing things because still right now I'm a 302 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: little stubborn with my grit where I'm like, no, I 303 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: think I got this, but the Lord's like, girl, put 304 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: it down, let me do my thing, let me be God. 305 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: And so yeah, that is where release rests remain kind 306 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: of came from. 307 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: Oh good, I think you're you're absolutely spot on, because 308 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: really life is a process. Yeah, you know, like you said, 309 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: kama kama, comma period. I mean when does that actually, 310 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: yeah happened? I mean, because life is real, Other people 311 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: do things, Circumstances are not always just lining up the 312 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: way I want them, and letting go is just going 313 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: to keep happening as far as I can tell. Yeah, 314 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: and I want to I want. 315 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: To circle back, to go back. 316 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: To release again. You know for some women, just thinking 317 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: about people who are listening right this minute, and some 318 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: are listening and they're customer releasing, and they have a 319 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: rhythm of that maybe going, but some maybe don't yet 320 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: or it's harder or newer for them. What would you 321 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: say to the person who maybe wants to let go 322 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: but they haven't really found their way to the first 323 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: few steps of that what would that look like for them? 324 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: You know? 325 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: For me, I found that my favorite way of releasing 326 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: is journaling. And I hesitate to say that because I 327 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: know not everyone is a journaler and not everyone enjoys 328 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: journaling in that way. But sometimes when I just write 329 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: things out, it's very freeing, you know, and you see 330 00:21:54,480 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: you get to see it differently too. I feel like 331 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: that is a way for me. I don't know. It's 332 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: not an end all be all. I'm not even sure 333 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: that I fully have an answer for that question. I 334 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: feel bad. I feel like I should, but no, no, 335 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: I definitely, for me, the ways in which I release 336 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: are journaling, I think moving my body, like these are 337 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: just practical ways that I do it. For me, it's like, Okay, 338 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: there's something happening that's really intense or whatever the case 339 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: may be, I need to go move my body, like 340 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: whether it's just a brisk walk or if it's weight 341 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: training or whatever the case may be, I have to 342 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: go do that. And then also, yeah, but I'm thinking, 343 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: like if it's something that you just have to let go, 344 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: I think too, for me, I remember who I am 345 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: and I can actually handle like it is me holding 346 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: onto this changing the circumstance at all, Like is this 347 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: actually benefiting the circuit? Like whatever, this thing that I'm 348 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: holding on to, is what would happen? Like what's the 349 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: worst that could happen if I release my grip? If 350 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: I leave this to the Lord? You know what I mean? 351 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I have people in my life right 352 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: now who I've been trying to convince of something or 353 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: to understand me, or whatever the case may be. And 354 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: I finally come to the place where I'm like, okay, Lord, 355 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: like I know what you've spoken to me, I know 356 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: what you've called me to and in this season, I 357 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: don't have capacity to try to control these people, and 358 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: so I'm trusting you. I think the release comes in 359 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: trust is like I'm trusting you Lord, that you are 360 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: just like you're speaking to me, that you're speaking to 361 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: them because we're brothers and sisters in Christ, and so 362 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: I know that they are tuned to your voice. And 363 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: so at this point I plant the seed or I've 364 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: done my part, I trust you because you're the gardener, 365 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: You're going to do the rest. And so yeah, I 366 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: feel like it is a matter of trust in God. 367 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: And who he is and who he's called you to be. Yeah, 368 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if I have an answer for that, believe, but. 369 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: I think that I think what you said is actually 370 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: really helpful because there was a couple of things that 371 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 2: stood out. One is that it's good to acknowledge our 372 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: own limitations. Yeah, like I have to acknowledge that I 373 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: don't actually know everything, and I can't possibly do everything 374 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: and hold everybody all at the same time. And sometimes 375 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 2: we just don't acknowledge the reality of that, right, so 376 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 2: we don't acknowledge your limitations. And then the other thing 377 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: I heard you say was just a couple of things 378 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: that are a couple of really good actions that I 379 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 2: think can get us out of our heads. Is move 380 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: your body and then write things down, because there is 381 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 2: there is something too that I mean not just on 382 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: a computer, but literally with your hand with a pen 383 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: on a piece of paper, getting your thoughts just out 384 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: on a page, out of your brain through your hand. Actually, 385 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: it does something real, and there's a kind of natural 386 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 2: freedom that happens even if you're not a journaler. You know, 387 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: you don't have to be a journaler to just I 388 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: call it a brain dump, right, just Julia Cameron wrote 389 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: a book called The Artist's Way, and she would call 390 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: and that's why she has people do morning pages every day. 391 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: She said, everybody should get up and just write with 392 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: her hand three pages. Just get out whatever's out of 393 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: your brain. And so there's something real about that. So 394 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: I think you really pointed us in some good directions. 395 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: So I appreciate that. 396 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: I also think that when you do pin the paper, 397 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: because I'm a pin the paper girl. Yeah, hype. But 398 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: it slows things down. Yeah, Like in my in our 399 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: minds things are like this, this is but when you're pinned 400 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: the paper, you can only get so many words out 401 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: at one time, you know what I mean. And so 402 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: it does help to slow things down in a way 403 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: that even that makes it a little bit more manageable 404 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: to process and think about out loud. So for sure 405 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: there's something beautiful there too, for sure. 406 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: And then and then we're on brand here for unheard 407 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 2: living podcasts get because it is unhurried to write. Yeah, 408 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: your brain, your thoughts can only come out at the 409 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: speed of your hand. Yeah, and that is a that's 410 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: a different pace, yes, And so in its own way, 411 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: it could it could slow you. So those I think 412 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: you really did give some some good ideas there, So 413 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: thank you. We'll continue after the break. I wonder if 414 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: we could move more to rest. I know that you've 415 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: done you did the sort of the three, but I 416 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: want to go back and hover on rest just for 417 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: a minute. What you said about rest and I love this. 418 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this trust that what you've 419 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: released is held by someone far more capable. And you've 420 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 2: already alluded to this, but circle back around to that. 421 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're talking about God. Who else is more 422 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: capable than me? Right? Maybe talk to us more about 423 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: what it means to trust God in this way, you know, 424 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: because a lot of people listening believe in God, walk 425 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: with God for decades, and yet we still have this 426 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 2: sort of way in which there we don't trust, or 427 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 2: we forget to trust, or we don't you know, we 428 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: think we need to do something too, So maybe how 429 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 2: could we lean more into embracing God's abilities and allowing 430 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 2: that to give us some freedom. 431 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: So I like to think of it as keeping receipts, 432 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: which is another reason that I love journaling, because I 433 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: think sometimes we forget. We forget, and it's really important 434 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: because it's like you've gotten this far in life, right, 435 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: the Lord has never failed you yet. And a lot 436 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: of times even if you feel like because there are 437 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: things like my sister in law passing away, like why 438 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: would he take her? Why would he take her? She's 439 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: thirty five years old, she's married, got four kids, like 440 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: why her? You know? And I still don't fully understand that, 441 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: But I do trust and believe that God knows what 442 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: he's doing. And even in the circumstances following her passing 443 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: for her husband and her children, like he has shown 444 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: up in ways that I'm like, Wow, Lord, only you, 445 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 1: you know, like only you. And so for me, I 446 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: like to think about season's past and how like, for example, 447 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: he has just been a provider when he shouldn't have. 448 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: There was a time I think I may have shared 449 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: this story in the devotional. There was a time when 450 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: I was a full time teacher and my husband was 451 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: to stay at home primary parent, and at the time 452 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: he had two boys. And then I got pregnant and 453 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: I got pregnant with my daughter, and anyone who knows me, 454 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: I have always wanted a little girl. And so during 455 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: that year of teaching of being pregnant with my daughter, 456 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: coming home to my husband having like the boys seemed 457 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: like they had a blast with my husband and he 458 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: was getting all this quality time with them, and I 459 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: was like experiencing this tension of like, I really enjoyed 460 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: my career, but also like I want to be home 461 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: with my kids, and this is my girl. I don't 462 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: want my husband to raise my girl, even though of 463 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,959 Speaker 1: course it's a partnership and we're doing it together. And 464 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: so I kind of like when I while I was 465 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: on attorney, it was like, I'm not going back to work. 466 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: I just quit. I just quit my job. There was 467 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: no there was that was stupid. It was done. It 468 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: was not a wise decision. It was something that I 469 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: did in and of my own flesh. It was something 470 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: that I had made, a decision that I made that 471 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: was selfish to my husband and to my kids. You know, 472 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: like it was not a wise decision. And I look 473 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: back on that season, and the beautiful thing about it 474 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: is I made a mistake. I made a misstep. But 475 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: the Lord still provided. He's still provided, and so like 476 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: we never missed Rent. I think at that time we 477 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: actually had a mortgage. We never missed our mortgage. He 478 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: kept us, you know, health wise because our insurance was gone. 479 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, my husband was an entrepreneur and so he 480 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: was making money, but he wasn't making a lot of money. 481 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: He hadn't established his career in a way that you know, 482 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: had any kind of confidence for me to quit my job. Like, 483 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking. It was like 484 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: a bizarre IRRESPONSI probably one of the most irresponsible decisions 485 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: I've made in my life, like to be completely transparent. 486 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: But the Lord provided and he kept us, my husband 487 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: and I because that could have been and it was. 488 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: It was actually a huge issue in our marriage of trust. 489 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: It broke the trust that he had in me and 490 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: all kinds of things. But in that decision, I've seen 491 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: the Lord show up to provide, to redeem, to restore, 492 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: and I know him to be that, to be that 493 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: person in my life, that kind of father, that kind 494 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: of like showing me that kind of love. And so 495 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: for me, when I think about resting in the Lord 496 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: and trusting him, I'm like, we have to keep receipts, 497 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: like we just have to. And even if you're not 498 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: writing the receipts down, I think if you can just 499 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: think back on seasons of life that you walk through 500 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: and remember how the Lord carried you through those seasons 501 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: that you didn't think you were going to make it 502 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: through and where you are now, Like it's just very comforting. 503 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: It's so much. It's comforting in a way that you 504 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: can just snuggle up and rest in the Lord and 505 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: trust that He's got you, like He's got you even 506 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: when you sabotage the situation you know, or whatever path 507 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: he's got you on. And so yeah, that's that for 508 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: me is a lot of times where my trust comes from. 509 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: I also think like being in community with other people 510 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: and seeing the Lord work miracles in their lives is 511 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. We have so many friends and family 512 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: who God has just shown up and shown out in 513 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: a way that has blessed us, and it's like if 514 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: he did it for them, then I know he can 515 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: do it for me and so and there's the Bible 516 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: was full of stories of that as well. And so 517 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: I feel like that for me is how I am. 518 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: The trust is restored even in moments where I'm like 519 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, Lord, I don't see how you got this, 520 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: just thinking back and seeing you know, all the things 521 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: that He's already worked out. There's just this confidence that comes. 522 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. 523 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,239 Speaker 2: Well, I think you're giving us an imitation to all 524 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 2: the beautiful our words, you know, where we've got rest 525 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: and release and now I've got receipts. I think the 526 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: idea of receipts is also just the biblical term of remember. Yes, 527 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that what you're saying? 528 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: Remember? 529 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you said, even if you're not writing it down, 530 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 2: you can remember. Yeah, you just remember what how you've 531 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: seen God work in your life. And there's I call 532 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: those marker moments. I don't know exactly why, but I 533 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 2: think it has something to do with Abraham making altars. 534 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 2: I was thought of those as markers along the way 535 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: for him, and just keeping a stash in your brain 536 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 2: of all those marker moments where God really did what 537 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 2: God does, show his faithfulness, and then bringing those up 538 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 2: when you need them. 539 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. 540 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: So, and from what you're saying, what you're encouraging us 541 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: in is that can lead to a kind of rest 542 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 2: because we've let go and now he just go, oh, 543 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: maybe maybe I could lower my shoulders for a minute, right, Yeah, 544 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 2: because God's got this. If that's the catchphraser, God's got this. 545 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: Wow. But the thing. I think. The thing too that 546 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: comes to mind is like when you when you do remember, 547 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: when you have those moments like for me, I look 548 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: back and I'm like, that was nothing but the Lord, 549 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like it was nothing, it 550 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: was no one but God. And when you realize that 551 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: you didn't have anything to do with it, then you're like, 552 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: what am I stressing about? Now? You know what I mean? Like, 553 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: he really is just calling me to remain in him, 554 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: to abide in him. And so yeah, yeah, I think 555 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: the remembering part is really important because it's like, yeah, 556 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: I didn't do it before. It was him, It was him, 557 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: It was him through me, it was him alone, it 558 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: was him for sure. 559 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 2: Well we've got one more word, remain. And with that one, 560 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: you said stay rooted in the one who invites you 561 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: to lay down your burdens. Yeah, so you're basically we're 562 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 2: saying it's a remain, it's a bide. You could use 563 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 2: the word stay. Yeah, stay rooted. So what does that 564 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: look like? Maybe let's get practical again, see if you 565 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: can come up with an idea, what would it What 566 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 2: would it look like for a person listening right now 567 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: to just remain in what they know. 568 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think we are living in a time 569 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: where our attention is currency, you know, and everyone's vying 570 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: for it. Everyone's vying for it, and we aren't even 571 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: treating it as valuable as it is, Like we just 572 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: so flippantly give it away. Sometimes we wake up in 573 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: the morning, our alarm sounds off on our phone. We 574 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: pick up our phone to turn off the alarm, and 575 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: then before you know it, we're scrolling whatever social media 576 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 1: app or news app or YouTube or whatever the case 577 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: may be. And so for me, I've really been trying 578 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: to avoid that first thing in the morning is like 579 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: and I'm not perfect at this, so please hear me 580 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: when I say this, but is too like I am like, okay, lord, 581 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm committed to spending time with you before I start 582 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: going on my phone, you know. And oftentimes, you know, 583 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: it's the beginning of the year, so we're all starting 584 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: our new rhythm. So currently my rhythm is to wake up, 585 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: I go for a walk, I listen to worship music, 586 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: or sometimes I'll listen to like a podcast like Unhurried 587 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: Blipping for you know, just some encouragement, and then I'll 588 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: come home, I'll do my devotional at shop like, by 589 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: the time you know it, I've prolonged even having time 590 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: to scroll. And then by the time I'm done getting 591 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: ready for the day, it's time to start homeschooling my kids. 592 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: So you know, like things like that just kind of 593 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: doing that. We started with our children for Advent. We 594 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: started doing like, you know, an advent Bible study every night, 595 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: and it actually was so beautiful and it was like 596 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: I loved how my kids were like, oh, it's time 597 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: for isn't it time for us to do our adventt 598 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: And so my husband and I were like, let's keep 599 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: this going, like, let's just do a Bible study every night. 600 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: So after Christmas we ever since we've been doing a 601 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: Bible study every night. And so I feel like sometimes 602 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: when we invite the people who we do life with 603 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: regularly into that, it helped us to remain as a family. 604 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: And then in that the conversation shift the like you 605 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: have your children, well, I'm obviously I'm a mom of 606 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 1: younger children. My oldest is twelve and my youngest is six, 607 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: so like you start to hear them having their own 608 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: conversations and then you can chime in on that, Like 609 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: it's just a beautiful thing that happens. What are some 610 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: other ways to remain? I feel like for me, worship 611 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: is a worship music is huge. I I often don't. 612 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: My kids are huge fans of Christian hip hop, which 613 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: is fine, but it's a lot of beats and like, 614 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: you know things. So sometimes I'm like, Okay, guys, we're 615 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: going to turn on Mom's worship music. And I even 616 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: just feel a difference in my home when that. When 617 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: that comes on, you know, it slows us, it slows 618 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 1: us down. It like the lyrics. Last night, I walked 619 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: into my daughter's room and she was listening to worship music. 620 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: She's eight, you know, Like, I'm like, it was beautiful. 621 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: She was just sitting in a room in her bed, 622 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: doodling and listening to worship music. And so I feel 623 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: like when you set the tone for your home, it 624 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: just invites the Holy Spirit to reside. He's already here, 625 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: but you can feel his presence a lot more. And 626 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: I think for me, when I was talking to you 627 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: about when I went away, that's the part that was missing, 628 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: is that I couldn't feel his presence like I needed 629 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: to feel it. I had a relationship with God, but 630 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: I was not abiding in him. I was not fully 631 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: present with his word. I was not praying, I was 632 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: not I was just I wasn't I was familiar, I 633 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: was associated, but I wasn't abiding. And so I feel 634 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: like that is a huge message that I got from 635 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 1: my time away. I also think because I have also 636 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: been one of those people like I'm driving and I'm 637 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,439 Speaker 1: praying for someone, or I'm standing at the kitchen sink 638 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: and I'm praying for someone. But recently I started like 639 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: going on my knees and like praying in that posture, 640 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: and there's just something about it that focuses your attention. 641 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: My dad used to do that when we were kids. 642 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: He would we would all like get on the couch 643 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: or not get on, but we would kneel in front 644 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: of the couch and we would just pray as a family. 645 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: And I've gotten away from that, but I feel like, 646 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, I someone else shared doing that and 647 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, let me try this, and 648 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: I did it. And there's something very special about that 649 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: posture when praying that focuses your attention and that just 650 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: makes you fully present there. Yeah, but I think those 651 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: are some of the main ways that I do. 652 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, what you're describing is just there are there 653 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 2: are many ways to connect with God, and you've listed 654 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 2: some that are important and meaningful to you, but I'm 655 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 2: imagining those that are listening, you know, at least one 656 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 2: or two ways for them that are really meaningful. And 657 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 2: sometimes it's just a matter of making some time to 658 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 2: connect in the ways we. 659 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: Know, yeah works for us. 660 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,959 Speaker 2: Sometimes we get caught up in trying to do whatever 661 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 2: it is we're you know, quote unquote supposed to do. 662 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 2: But there are some ways where people just know they 663 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 2: feel like turning on a worship song or getting on 664 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 2: their knees as you've described, do that right, just do 665 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 2: it and allow yourself. And so if we go back 666 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 2: to even just the beginning of this conversation, I'm struck 667 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 2: by this because you felt a deep, deep need for 668 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 2: something right because of your grief, the way it came 669 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,760 Speaker 2: upon you in that way, and you had this beautiful 670 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 2: connection with God and you found your place kind of 671 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 2: afresh in Him, and you had the blessed gift of 672 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 2: not everybody has three weeks, but more people could. 673 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: It's just you, guys made it work right. 674 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 2: You had kids, you had life, so you made some 675 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 2: choices to go into this place because the need was there. 676 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 2: I think sometimes, especially for women, we don't allow ourselves 677 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 2: to sense the gravity of the need and then to 678 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 2: seek the support we need. And so even just pulling 679 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 2: that out from your story, I think it's important for 680 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:35,959 Speaker 2: us to talk about. 681 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: Don't you think, yes, oh my gosh, I just got yeah. 682 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: I whooh, so yes, you know, this devotional is not 683 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: just for women. I think the Rhythm Release Rest Remain 684 00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: is for everyone. I really, of course. However, I understand 685 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,240 Speaker 1: stand my audience. I understand who will engage with this devotional, 686 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,720 Speaker 1: who's most likely to grab it off of the shelf 687 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: right now? And a huge part of my heart's desire 688 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: is to give women specifically permission to seek that out, 689 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: to pursue a need. So back in what year we're in, 690 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, that's crazy, Okay. So at the beginning 691 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, I hosted a mom's retreat and 692 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: it was called Unplugged, And I did that because I 693 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: knew for me well, as a stay at home mom, 694 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: the okay, so let me. I feel like I'm all 695 00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 1: over the place, but I feel like I have advantage 696 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: because my husband was a stay at home parent prior 697 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: to me becoming a stay at home parent. So there 698 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: is some things that he understands about my experience as 699 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: a stay at home parent that other has spouses who 700 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: are married to someone who's a primary parent at home 701 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: may not understand. And so one of the things that 702 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,359 Speaker 1: my husband has always been gracious about is like, hey, 703 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: you need a week in a way like book an airbnb, 704 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: go spend some time with yourself. And usually during those 705 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: times is when I am in nature, I'm seeking the Lord. 706 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm like praying, I'm, I'm, I'm It's like uh, my 707 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: own self retreat where I am literally remaining in the Lord. 708 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: And so I realize how life giving that experience has 709 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: been for me throughout the years that I wanted to 710 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: pass it along to other women because the conversations I 711 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: was with women, I'm in women's Bible studies, I'm like, 712 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm with women all the time. And so I realized 713 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: that a lot of women just don't They don't do it, 714 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: they don't feel like they can, they don't trust their 715 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: significant other with the kids. They feel guilty whenever they 716 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,839 Speaker 1: even leave just for an hour to go get their 717 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: nails done, you know, whatever, the case may be women 718 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: for some reason, we just we feel like the world's 719 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: going to fall apart if we don't hold it all together. 720 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: And so I hosted a retreat back in twenty twenty four, 721 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: and for some of those women it was their first 722 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: time leaving their spouse with their kids. Wow, And they 723 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: had a blast. And since then we still have a 724 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: group text. They are still leaving their spouses every once 725 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: in a while, you know, with the kids, to go 726 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: take some time for themselves, you know. And for me, 727 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: it spoke volumes. The women afterwards after the retreat were like, yeah, 728 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: things weren't quite as I had left them, or he 729 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: didn't do things like I wanted him to do it. 730 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: But I don't regret leaving, you know, like I don't 731 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: regret leaving. I needed that time just to sit and 732 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,880 Speaker 1: exist and spend time with the Lord and seek his 733 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: voice and hear his voice and whatever the case may be, 734 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: or even just to breathe, you know, like to be 735 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: untouched for a little bit. And so I don't know, 736 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: I just I think you're right. I don't think that 737 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 1: women allow themselves to do that. And I think it's 738 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: because we can't release our grip we really do think 739 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: that the world would fall apart if we don't hold 740 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: on tighter or like do all the things, and that 741 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,239 Speaker 1: might be I'm just kidding. 742 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 2: It's not done my way, then it can't be right, right. 743 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: The truth is we're all living very similar lives. I'm 744 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: thinking about you. You said you have adult children, and 745 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 1: I is that right? Yep? And my oldest will be 746 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: turning thirteen next month, and I'm starting to notice, you know, 747 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: independence happening. And even with my younger kids, I'm like, oh, 748 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 1: they're starting to need me less. I mean, I still 749 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,879 Speaker 1: feel like they need me, but the ways in which 750 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: they need me are different, And so there's something that's 751 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: happening in me that's like, oh, like okay, I'm like, 752 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 1: what do I do with myself? You know? And it's 753 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,359 Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to be able to observe, But it's 754 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 1: also like, WHOA, I gotta let go because as well, 755 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: if I let go now while they're under my roof 756 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: and they can make some mistakes and stumble a little bit, 757 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,760 Speaker 1: then that's better than them being out in the world 758 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,920 Speaker 1: making these mistakes and stumbling. And so it's a different 759 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: kind of I'm definitely my grip is still it's still somewhat, 760 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's a loose grip. Yeah, but I do 761 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: understand that these are God's children that he has put 762 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: in my care, and so I trust him. I trust 763 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,720 Speaker 1: that he knew what he was doing when he chose 764 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: my womb to form these children, and that he is 765 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: like there's I feel like there are definitely things I 766 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: can do to make things challenging for them, but I 767 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,439 Speaker 1: do believe that whatever the Lord has for them, it's 768 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,360 Speaker 1: for them and that I can't mess that up, you 769 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so I just trust that 770 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: He's going to carry them to whatever calling he has 771 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 1: on their life, whatever his purpose is for their lives, 772 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be fulfilled regardless of what I do. Yeah. 773 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: But yeah, women, we definitely we struggle a lot with 774 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: the whole release thing. 775 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,040 Speaker 2: It's it's an it is an ongoing process. I have. 776 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,840 Speaker 2: I have three grown sons. They're twenty seven, thirty and 777 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 2: thirty three. Yeah, and and I still let go. Yeah, 778 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 2: you know, because I realize, you know, they're men, they're men, 779 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 2: they're off on their own, doing their own thing, and 780 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 2: yet you know, they're still my boys. Yeah, and I 781 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 2: carry them in my heart every day. Yeah, and and 782 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 2: we have a different relationship now, which is wonderful, but 783 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 2: there are always opportunities to just continue to open your 784 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 2: hands and release and watch. It's a it's a different 785 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,279 Speaker 2: conversation at this point. But yeah, I really I do 786 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 2: think that we could all give ourselves more permission to 787 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 2: do the things that are necessary. You know, the whole 788 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 2: thing about important but non urgent. You're urgent, but that 789 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,320 Speaker 2: whole conversation urgent but not important. A lot of times 790 00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 2: we let the important, yeah, glide because the urge is 791 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 2: so loud in our heads. But I hear you describing 792 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 2: that we could make the choice like those women did, 793 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,719 Speaker 2: to get away, and then they were like, oh, this 794 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 2: is good, I'm doing that again. Right, get away Jesus, 795 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 2: it said, Jesus often withdrew to lonely places, to right 796 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,320 Speaker 2: in the midst of all the things he was doing. 797 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 2: There are these sentences just thrown into the gospels, but 798 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 2: Jesus often withdrew to lonely places. I was listening to 799 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,840 Speaker 2: the father, he was finding out who he was and 800 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,799 Speaker 2: what he was to do, and say, yeah, and we 801 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,720 Speaker 2: need no less than that for ourselves and the lives 802 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 2: that God has called us to So anyway, well, Yvette, 803 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 2: thank you. We could talk a long time. I didn't 804 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,479 Speaker 2: realize how long we'd already been talking. 805 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 1: This was so good. I did. 806 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,759 Speaker 2: Thank you and thank you for hanging in there and 807 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 2: for giving us just some practical wisdom and for this book. Again, 808 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 2: the book remind you of the I. 809 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: Left it over on my shelf. 810 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:01,719 Speaker 2: Is it? 811 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,920 Speaker 1: This is the title? The three words. Yes, it's released, Rest, remain. 812 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 2: That's right, it's right behind you. Look on that if 813 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,440 Speaker 2: you're watching on YouTube, it's right there. Release, rest, and 814 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,240 Speaker 2: remain three r verbs that are really good for our lives. 815 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 2: So thank you so much. It was wonderful to connect 816 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 2: with you. 817 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for having me. 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