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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College, All Things

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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale. So much news over the weekend. It

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Speaker 1: is believed that more than five thousand Aranians were mowed

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Speaker 1: down in the streets of Tehran and throughout the country

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Speaker 1: by the security services in the service of the Iyatolajamii

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Speaker 1: Hamini Homiani. He did the original revolution. Hamieni is the

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Speaker 1: supreme leader who succeeded him decades ago. So it's no

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Speaker 1: holds barred now. President Trump is weighing his options at

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Speaker 1: this hour. He gave the Iranian regime many warnings on

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Speaker 1: truth social a week ago on this program, on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: on Sean Handy's program on Thursday Night, and then last

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Speaker 1: nine on Air Force Wan. He was asked by reporters

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Speaker 1: and he said, well, they've asked for negotiations. They apparently

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Speaker 1: will bring you that tape a little bit later, but

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Speaker 1: they've apparently decided to go with killing people. Now, the Iranians,

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Speaker 1: according to President Trump, and of course you've got great

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Speaker 1: what they have to negotiate over. They've killed five thousand

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Speaker 1: do that, and they did it. And then how many

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Speaker 1: the United States over the weekend. So although the Wall

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Speaker 1: in the ranks within the administration, perhaps there is. Let

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Speaker 1: me read you the story. The White House is weighing

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Speaker 1: a last ditch Iranian offer to engage in diplomacy over

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Speaker 1: curbing its nuclear program. We curbed their President Trump obliterated

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Speaker 1: their nuclear program. Even if President Trump currently leans towards

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Speaker 1: authorizing fresh military strikes on Iran, some senior station aids

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Speaker 1: led by Vice President Jady Vance urging Trump to try

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Speaker 1: diplomacy before retaliating against Iran for killing protesters during a

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Speaker 1: two week uprising over a flailing economy and regime repression.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that, by the way. I think that

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Speaker 1: actually JD. Vance talking to the Wall Street Journal by

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Speaker 1: the isolationist wing. I think the vice president will support

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Speaker 1: whatever the President decides to do. Speaking Sunday to reporters

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Speaker 1: on Air Force One, Trump said that Tehran messaged Washington

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Speaker 1: over its years long nuclear program. I'll talk with Mark

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Speaker 1: Dubiets about this a little bit later, CEO of the

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Speaker 1: Foundation for the Defense of Democracy. The president said a

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Speaker 1: looking at quote very strong options. There is a word

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Speaker 1: to determine his approach. I hope that approach is to

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Speaker 1: hit as he promised to do. Presidential credibility is earned

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Speaker 1: in ounces and lost in pounds, just like truthfulness and

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Speaker 1: reliability is earned announcers in lost in pounds. Everybody believes

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump threat right now, all right. He threatened

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Speaker 1: Operation Midnight Hammer, and he delivered on it. He threatened Maduro,

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Speaker 1: the favorite tactic of the Iranian theocrats, delayed, delayed, delay, delay, divide,

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Speaker 1: So here is President Trump on Air Force one yesterday

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Speaker 1: it seriously. Cuttnumber six at three, I think, don't you

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Speaker 2: Don't you think so? Would you say.

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Speaker 3: That they probably do at this point after going through

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Speaker 3: do you think they take your threat seriously? What do

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Speaker 3: you say they do after all of the things.

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Speaker 2: We have done? What a stupid question.

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Speaker 1: It really is a stupid question. Of course, they take

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and now if it could and used to make

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Speaker 1: So why wouldn't we want to support that?

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Speaker 4: And those brave protesters they've killed probably more than six

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Speaker 5: There are sources do tel CNN that there are concerns

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if it makes sense, again, if those strikes make sense, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: I do support those things. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 4: So I don't know why we can't all want to

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Speaker 1: That's where it's at right now.

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Speaker 4: They're so desperate now they they killed the internet and

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Speaker 1: I do not believe Lagoshimi saying that there are forces

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Speaker 1: I do not believe it. David Ignatius is the senior

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Speaker 6: So the best case scenario is that.

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Speaker 7: A regime whose security forces are weak, are rusty, that

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Speaker 6: What does it mean to hit it hard?

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Speaker 7: So what it means, I think is heavy munitionis striking barracks, bases,

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Speaker 7: But to show the Iranian people that this security force,

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Speaker 7: It would be the barracks, logistic resources and those things

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Speaker 7: aircraft carrier strike group in the region. That's true, but

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Speaker 1: In the region right now. And this is what Tray

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Speaker 6: Three Dana, Good Morning.

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Speaker 8: Intense anti government demonstrations erupting across Iran over the weekend

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Speaker 8: were met with a brutal crackdown. A source in Tehran,

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Speaker 8: Human rights organizations say at least five hundred and forty

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Speaker 8: expected to increase significantly. Aron's President must sud Pozeski and

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Speaker 1: Don't need to hear regime propaganda. There are very reliable

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Speaker 1: estimates of more than five thousand murdered by the regime

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Speaker 1: And President Trump made a warning on this show, on

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Speaker 1: they have been disregarded by the regime. His credibility is high.

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Speaker 1: a couple maybe even million besieged. But those are just thugs.

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Speaker 1: back on the You Do It Show. Welcome back, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jue Gwett, joined now by former Israeli Ambassador of

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Speaker 1: What is your assessment of the situation in Iran and

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Speaker 1: what ought the United States to do, and why.

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Speaker 6: Situation in Iran is very troubling.

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Speaker 9: Certainly, hundreds, potentially thousands of people being killed going out

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Speaker 9: to protests for freedom from this heinous regime very disturbing,

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Speaker 9: and it impacts all Israelis.

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Speaker 6: We're all there for the people of Iran.

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Speaker 9: Before nineteen seventy nine, they were our close allies, and

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Speaker 9: to them once again. Having said that, great skepticism here

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Speaker 9: We're talking about a company country of ninety million people.

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Speaker 9: I don't know how many tens of thousands, even hundreds

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Speaker 6: Ninety million, and the regime has immense.

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Speaker 9: Means at its disposal for suppressing these demonstrations.

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Speaker 6: You're talking about an army of almost a half a.

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Speaker 9: Million soldiers, a a guard at Islamic Republican Guard, Revolutionary

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Speaker 9: Guard of close to a half a million soldiers plus besiege.

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Speaker 9: These are these paramilitary thugs. There may be five million

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Speaker 6: And so the iran Has regime has just begun to fight.

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Speaker 9: Now whether the United States will intervene or not, I

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Speaker 9: think it's always at this point. I think it's a

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Speaker 6: And if he says the United States is willing to

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Speaker 6: use force, I think he very much means it.

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Speaker 9: I think the American military would like to gather that force,

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Speaker 9: assemble that course within a striking distance of Iran.

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Speaker 6: Though you know, American strategic bombers.

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Speaker 9: of Iran in a matter of fifteen hours or even less. Still,

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Speaker 9: I think the American military would like to have a

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Speaker 1: Now doctor worn last question. The people of Iran are bankrupt.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michael Orran, founder of the Israel Advocacy Group. You

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Speaker 1: State twnw right back on the Hugh Hewitt Show, Hugh Hewitt,

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Speaker 1: I'm in Studio West of the Relief Factor of Studio Set,

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Speaker 1: Steve Hilton. Let's talk about why you've asked Gloria Romero

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Speaker 10: Fantastic.

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Speaker 11: I love love it great to be with you, You

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Speaker 11: We're going to be in person later today in Los Angeles. Look,

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Speaker 11: I understand about putting together and leading a team. That's

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Speaker 12: I think with anything, it's always a process overall. If

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Speaker 1: Center. Would you remind me of where you were both

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Speaker 1: What a great choice, Steve Hilton because she did run

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Speaker 11: Well, I'll get into that because I've been wanting this

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Speaker 10: Gloria and I first.

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Speaker 11: When I started my California Focused policy organization, really the

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Speaker 11: first step towards.

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Speaker 10: The decision I made to run for governor.

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Speaker 11: Golden Together that's the name of the organization, Non partnersan

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Speaker 11: policy organization.

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Speaker 10: I asked Gloria to be on the board of.

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Speaker 11: That organization, and we've been working together on policy, in

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Speaker 11: particular education policy for years now. And as that process

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Speaker 11: has gone on and I've gotten to know Gloria as

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Speaker 11: a friend and a partner in policy and a colleague,

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Speaker 11: I came to the view that this would be a

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Speaker 11: while now whether she would consider this, and I'm very,

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Speaker 11: very happy and proud that she said yes, and here

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Speaker 11: we all today making this wonderful announcement.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Ramira, I want to go back to you were

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Speaker 1: a hammer. You were a good Democratic leader. My friend

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Speaker 1: John Campbell was serving at the same time you were,

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Speaker 1: he was on the other side of the aisle. You

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Speaker 1: were very good at what you did. How shocked are

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Speaker 1: your former Democratic colleagues that you're doing this? And will

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Speaker 1: any of them come along and join you? And Steve

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Speaker 1: Hilton then trying to turn our bankrupt state around.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think when I actually converted to being a Republican,

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Speaker 12: I don't think many of my former colleagues were shocked

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Speaker 12: because they had seen the progression over the years, the

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Speaker 12: advocacy on school choice, etc. Women's rights, a number of

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Speaker 12: issues overall. Certainly the announcement today, I'm sure many of

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Speaker 12: them are really surprised at that, but I believe that

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Speaker 12: they are aware that I'm committed. When I became a Republican,

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Speaker 12: I said, look, I want to do my share, my

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Speaker 12: part in making California great again. And with Steve Hilton,

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Speaker 12: we've had a very good, long running relationship and really

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Speaker 12: trying to restore the California dream, putting that golden sheen

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Speaker 12: back into California. So school choice issues is a major issue.

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Speaker 12: If I can just say, you know why the lieutenant

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Speaker 12: governor it again too is looking at as a team

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Speaker 12: governor and the lieutenant governor. But when you look at

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Speaker 12: the lieutenant governor, which I often kind of joke about

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Speaker 12: and say, it's sort of like the Seinfeld of state

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Speaker 12: white politics in California. Nobody knows what the LG does,

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Speaker 12: but the Lieutenant governor serves on the bodies of the

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Speaker 12: UC regions, the board of governors for the community college system,

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Speaker 12: also as a trustee for the CSU, and on education

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Speaker 12: that's almost half the state budget. I'm a product of

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Speaker 12: all three of those systems, both having been a student

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Speaker 12: and having been a professor in those systems. So it's

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Speaker 12: a natural fit for me to really work with Steve

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Speaker 12: advocating on school choice, meritocracy and admissions performance, etc. So

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Speaker 12: it's a natural fit overall.

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Speaker 1: Steve Elton, we got about a couple of minutes left.

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Speaker 1: Would you remind people what the website for the campaign

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Speaker 1: is how they can help you. Yes, And there are

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Speaker 1: like twenty five Democrats running, which one Katie Porter, has

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Speaker 1: fallen like a rock. Who are you going to be

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Speaker 1: running against?

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Speaker 11: Well, it looks like I want to keep saying they're

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Speaker 11: not sending their best.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 11: Now, the person that's risen to the top is Eric Swalwell,

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Speaker 11: if you can believe it, Eric Swalwell.

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Speaker 10: I don't know. There may be others getting into the race.

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Speaker 11: We don't know yet that yet You've got the billionaire

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Speaker 11: climate fanatic Tom Steyer, through spending a lot of his

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Speaker 11: own money, he's now climbing in.

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Speaker 10: The polls as well.

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Speaker 11: Look, it doesn't matter who they send, because we need

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Speaker 11: change in California. We cannot have We've already this is

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Speaker 11: the sixteenth year now of one party rule.

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Speaker 10: Sixteen years of one party rule. It's not healthy.

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Speaker 11: Even if they weren't a complete failure on every front,

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Speaker 11: but they are a complete failure. And that's one of

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Speaker 11: the things that we've been highlighting. I'm just the fraud.

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Speaker 11: You know that, as iways been saying, you know the

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Speaker 11: first time that when the Minnesota scandal came to light.

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Speaker 10: However bad it is in term walls as Minnesota.

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Speaker 11: You know that it's a thousand times worse in Gaven

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Speaker 11: Newsom's California. And so we've been highlighting that and all

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Speaker 11: these other failures that one year anniversary of the fires.

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Speaker 11: Last week preposterous State of the State speech from Gavin

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Speaker 11: Newsom where he ludicrously claimed that we're a blueprint for

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Speaker 11: the nation, where we're actually with the highest poverty rate,

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Speaker 11: highest unemployment rate, highest costs for gas, electric rent, water insurance,

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Speaker 11: worst business climate, highest in I mean, everything is a failure.

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Speaker 1: We are a blueprint for assisted suicide of the state.

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Speaker 1: That's what we are a blueprint for.

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Speaker 10: So people can be building a movement for change.

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Speaker 11: Let's Steve Hilton for Governor, dot com f o R,

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Speaker 11: Steve Hilton for Governor Volunteer. We've got a really cool

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Speaker 11: volunteer program going on right now. By the way, the

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Speaker 11: fundraising we're leading as well. We're leading in the polls.

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Speaker 11: We're also leading on fundraising. We announced that today as well.

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Speaker 11: That's just about to where we raise more money in

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Speaker 11: the last six months than any other campaign on either side.

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Speaker 10: It's really happening in California. I think we can make

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Speaker 10: this well.

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Speaker 1: I'm volunteering to moderate.

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Speaker 10: Stay around.

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Speaker 1: I'll moderate the Steve Hilton Eric Swalwell debate, and Senator Romero,

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Speaker 1: whoever they put up on the Democratic side against you,

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Speaker 1: I'll moderate that as well because I know what you

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Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Congratulations to you, Steve on

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Speaker 1: a coup and Senator Romero. Keep coming back. California can

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Speaker 1: be saved, but it can't be saved with Democrats. It

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Speaker 1: just can't be. And I'm no longer a citizen here.

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Speaker 1: I'm just visiting for a few weeks. But to get

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Speaker 1: people to come back, they got to throw out the

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Speaker 1: people that are running the state. See hild and Gloria Romero.

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Speaker 14: Thanks you.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming right back with Senator Tom Cotton on that

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Speaker 1: you do a show BRK back in America. I'm due, Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, is chair of the

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Speaker 1: Senate Intelligence Committee. He has also followed for years the

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Speaker 1: brutal Iranian regime. Senator Cotton, welcome. How do you assess

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Speaker 1: the degree of violence in Iran? It's kind of closed

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Speaker 1: off to us, but you might have sources that others

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Speaker 1: of us do not have.

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Speaker 15: You know, you always introduced me as the chairman of

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Speaker 15: the Intelligence Committee. You never caveat that with the fact

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Speaker 15: that it's an oxymoron. So I appreciate it, but we

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Speaker 15: should always probably do so for our listeners. The situation

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Speaker 15: in Irano is that laughing matter. I think the violence

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Speaker 15: is worse than what's generally being reported in the Western

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Speaker 15: media and from outlets, or if you look at outlets

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Speaker 15: such as the Committee on Human Rights in Iran or

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Speaker 15: the Institute for the Study of War, they're getting it

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Speaker 15: closure ride. I think the death now number in the thousands,

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Speaker 15: not the hundreds. And you know, it's just past midnight

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Speaker 15: in Iran's knight. That had another big night of protests.

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Speaker 15: And I think the regime, which doesn't have the ability

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Speaker 15: over that or the desire to address the underlying a

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Speaker 15: grievances of this people, resorting to one of its probably

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Speaker 15: two only options, which is to increase the brutality towards

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Speaker 15: the people. So I support the moral clarity President Trump

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Speaker 15: has exhibited on this growing crisis and the threats he's

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Speaker 15: made to the iotelas, and certainly support the brave people

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Speaker 15: of iron who are yearning for freedom.

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Speaker 1: Senter Cotten. The President has made at least four I

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Speaker 1: think now five threats, one of them on this show,

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Speaker 1: to the regime that he will hit them very hard,

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Speaker 1: harder than they've ever been hit. The Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: at this hour, though after those five threats by the President,

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Speaker 1: is reporting that the White House is engaged in an

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Speaker 1: internal debate. Some senior administration aids, led by Vice President JD. Vans,

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Speaker 1: are arguing Trump to try diplomacy before retaliating against a

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Speaker 1: roun for killing protesters. I personally don't believe that. You.

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Speaker 15: Well, I'm sure there are may be some voices to

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Speaker 15: you inside the administration who wants the president not to

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Speaker 15: enforce his own red line. But the only person whose

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Speaker 15: opinion ultimately matters and the administration is the president. And

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Speaker 15: time after time he has enforced his red line. Sometimes

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Speaker 15: he's enforced Barack Obama's red lines area did it twice?

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Speaker 1: Well, I just don't think Vice President Vance would leap

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Speaker 1: That's why I don't believe it. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: would leap. Well.

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Speaker 15: Well, he makes clear that he means what he says,

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Speaker 15: and he says what he means, and he told the Duro,

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Speaker 15: for instance, that he needed to go into exile, and

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Speaker 15: the DUA was stubborn and pig headed and dug in

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Speaker 15: his heels. And now he's sitting in a jail in

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Speaker 15: New York City, and he told I tell us to

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Speaker 15: turn over there all their nuclear program, and they didn't,

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Speaker 15: and the nuclear program is now in smoldering rooms. So

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Speaker 15: they should take him seriously, no matter what some of

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Speaker 15: his more dubbish advisors might be saying are trying to

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Speaker 15: leak to the media.

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Speaker 1: Now sentaty we do not have a strike group, a

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Speaker 1: carrier strike group in the Middle East? Right now? Do

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Speaker 1: we still have options for following through on President Trump's

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Speaker 1: five threats directed at the IATOLA?

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Speaker 15: I think it's fair to say, after Operation Midnight Hammer

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Speaker 15: last June that blew up Around's nuclear facilities and the

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Speaker 15: operation to apprehend Nicholas Maduro, that the United States military

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Speaker 15: has amazing capabilities that never puts any kind of operation

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Speaker 15: outside of its grasp, no matter where this or that

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Speaker 15: military asset may be located on the globe.

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Speaker 1: How weak do you think the regime there is? It

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Speaker 1: seems to me I've been following it for forty seven years,

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Speaker 1: since the initial running and revolution against a Shaw, It's

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Speaker 1: never been weaker than right now. But I also believe

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Speaker 1: that they probably butchered thousands of people in the streets

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Speaker 1: in the last four days.

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Speaker 15: I think it's incredibly weak, as weak as it's been

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Speaker 15: maybe since the I Coola seized power in nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 15: I don't think they can whatever happens from these protests,

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Speaker 15: I don't think they will ever be able to restore

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Speaker 15: themselves to the aspirations they had just six months ago

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Speaker 15: or eight months ago, whenever it was before operation with

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Speaker 15: that dammer of regional hegemony. I think they've been exposed

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Speaker 15: to the second or even third rate power, and their

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Speaker 15: own people have had it with them, as we've seen

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Speaker 15: over the last couple of weeks, and that's why they're

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Speaker 15: having the resort to this kind of brutality.

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Speaker 1: I would like to play for you, Senator Cotton, a

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Speaker 1: segment of President Trump on Air Force One last night

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Speaker 1: when a CNN reporter asked him if he thought that

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Speaker 1: the Iranians took him seriously cutting number six.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think so, CNN? Don't you think so?

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Speaker 3: Would you say that they probably do at this place

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Speaker 3: after going through it for years with me.

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Speaker 2: Being hit salivating out back, Daddy, the red nuclear webbed.

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Speaker 3: Out don't you think, and that you just had Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: Don't you think she says see it at Do you

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Speaker 3: think they take your threat seriously? What do you say

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Speaker 3: they do after all of the things we have done?

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Speaker 3: What a stupid question.

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Speaker 1: Senta Cotton. I got through twenty minutes with the President

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Speaker 1: and he didn't say I'd asked a stupid question. So

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling kind of victorious after a Thursday's interview because

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Speaker 1: he doesn't hold back when you ask a stupid question.

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Speaker 1: That really is I think he's got a lot of credibility.

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Speaker 1: Does he lose any of it if he doesn't act?

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Speaker 15: It was a very stupid question. These these liberal reporters

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Speaker 15: live in a fantasy world, in a world that is

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Speaker 15: not governed by force and by resolution. That's the world

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Speaker 15: that our enemies live in, us in paying Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 15: the supreme leader of Iran world, Nicholas Maduro is definitely

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Speaker 15: living in now. They stand up and take notice anytime

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Speaker 15: America displays strength and result the way Donald Trump has

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Speaker 15: done now since his return to office nearly a year ago.

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Speaker 15: So of course they are paying attention to him and

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Speaker 15: taking him seriously, even if a bunch of liberal reporters

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Speaker 15: can't understand that. So there's no question, there's no question

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Speaker 15: that they understand. I mean, they're proven them. Their view

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Speaker 15: of President Trump is kind of like so many people's

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Speaker 15: view of Kurt Signetti and Indiana. I mean, how many

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Speaker 15: how many times do they have to stomp a top

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Speaker 15: ten or top five power before you take them seriously

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Speaker 15: and don't think that they've got imposter syndrome.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, by the way, and that's a

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Speaker 1: very good analogy. In terms of options available to the president,

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Speaker 1: they don't all have to be kinetic. They can they

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Speaker 1: do anything to reconnect Iran to the outside world because

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Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on in the darkness.

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Speaker 15: Sure, I don't want to get into the precise details

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Speaker 15: of every option, but no, suffice to say, the president

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Speaker 15: has many options to help reduce the violence against the

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Speaker 15: Iranian people and increase the pressure on the regime, many

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Speaker 15: different levers that the United States people.

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Speaker 1: Now, last question, Senator, we know Israel would applaud any

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Speaker 1: application of forces there. What about our Gulf state allies?

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Speaker 1: Would they welcome the regime toppling falling apart in Iran?

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Speaker 15: They might not be vocal about it, Hugh, but I

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Speaker 15: think most Arab nations have had it with Iran and

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Speaker 15: Iran's efforts to try to establish that regional dominance over

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Speaker 15: Arab peoples, and many of those air nations have cooperated

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Speaker 15: with US in the past in ways that have often

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Speaker 15: get a lot of publicity. But is very, very welcome

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Speaker 15: from the United States.

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Speaker 1: Standpoint Centaer Tom Cotton, always a pleasure. Thank you, Senator.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time today. Don't go anywhere, America. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to come back later this hour with Mark Dubowitz.

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Speaker 1: More of your phone calls during the break one eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and five to two oh one, two three four.

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Speaker 1: Do you welcome President Trump taking kinetic military action against

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Speaker 1: Iran or something that we can see. I'm primarily concerned

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Speaker 1: that we not end up with a Barack Obama redline

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Speaker 1: that evaporates and all that follows, or a Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: collapse of will in Afghanistan. Iran is always prospered that

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Speaker 1: the Mullahs, I should say, the Mula is not the

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Speaker 1: Iranian people. The Mullas have always done well under Jimmy Carter,

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden. They haven't done

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Speaker 1: as Well, when a Republican's been in office and Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is their worst nightmare, I want him to stay

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Speaker 1: that way. Stay tuned. What do you think? One eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and five to two oh one two three four

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Speaker 1: connection you to me, Heal, Welcome back to America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Hugh hewittt. As you heard me say at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the show, the biggest story in the world is

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Speaker 1: what's going on in Iran. And I know we are

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Speaker 1: all have our favorite interesting stories, and I cover the

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Speaker 1: news as it breaks, But the biggest story in the

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Speaker 1: world is in Iran. For forty seven years that tyranny

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Speaker 1: has been in place, and for almost as long, the

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Speaker 1: Foundation for the Defensive Democracy has been working to bring

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Speaker 1: it down and free the people of Iran. Joining us

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Speaker 1: now is the CEO of the Foundation for the Defense

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Speaker 1: of Democracy, Age Mark Dubovitz, who has been on with

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Speaker 1: me before. He did a great podcast Areas last year

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Speaker 1: on Iran, which in twelve parts. He added another part

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Speaker 1: this weekend called Iran Breakdown. I recommend it to you. Mark. Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with a big what's your reaction to

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Speaker 1: what's happened over the last two weeks in the day, Well, cheer.

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Speaker 13: Thanks so much for having me on. Look here, it's extraordinary.

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Speaker 16: I mean, as you said, I've been working on Iran

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Speaker 16: for twenty two years, working with lots of administrations, including

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Speaker 16: the Trump administration. Both Trump administrations on maximum pressure on

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Speaker 16: the regime but also encouraging maximum support.

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Speaker 13: For the Iranian people. And the Radiom people have been

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Speaker 13: out of the streets.

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Speaker 16: Since two thousand and nine, repeatedly calling for death to

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Speaker 16: the dictator and the Islamic Republic, establish relations with America,

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Speaker 16: with Israel, and now in the past two weeks they've

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Speaker 16: taken to the streets. Millions of Iranians are on those treats,

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Speaker 16: but they're also getting mowed down by the security forces.

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Speaker 16: Thousands of Iranians have been slaughtered, Tens of thousands have

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Speaker 16: been arrested, tortured, and dozens executed. So it is a

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Speaker 16: pivotal moment for the United States, for Iran, for the region.

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Speaker 1: So I've stressed in my audience they can't trust what

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Speaker 1: they see on X unless they know that the person

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Speaker 1: on X is someone they can trust. They can trust

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Speaker 1: you and trust Cliff may Kareem Saide you pour at Carnegie.

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of colleagues at FDD, I'm pushing out,

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Speaker 1: how do you tell if you're just, you know, newbie

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Speaker 1: to the Iran issue, who to trust on this about

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Speaker 1: what's going on there since the regime is severed outside

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Speaker 1: world contact with the people of Tehran and across all

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Speaker 1: of Iran.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean here, listen, it's difficult to know what's

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Speaker 16: going on in the ground because, as you said, they've

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Speaker 16: shut down the Internet, they're interfering with starlink access. Videos

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Speaker 16: are still coming in, and we're certainly seeing what's happening

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Speaker 16: on the ground. What do I trust? I don't trust

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Speaker 16: any but he defending the regime number one. Number two,

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Speaker 16: I don't trust anybody saying that US intervention is going

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Speaker 16: to lead to some kind of rally around the flag.

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Speaker 16: The notion that millions of Iranians are on the streets

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Speaker 16: and they're getting mowed down by the security forces, but somehow,

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Speaker 16: with President Trump intervenes and goes against the regime, these

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Speaker 16: Iranians are going to defend the regime, I think is nonsense.

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Speaker 13: So anybody's saying nap should not be trusted.

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Speaker 16: I think a lot of good Iranian voices, my colleague said,

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Speaker 16: got Samanajad certainly Resipolovy.

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Speaker 13: I mean, he's all.

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Speaker 16: Over social media, the crown Prince, the son of the

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Speaker 16: former Shaw. He has been very articulate and I certainly

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Speaker 16: would trust many of the things that he's saying.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now let's talk about what the president can do.

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Speaker 1: He was my guest last Thursday, and he said very bluntly,

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Speaker 1: will hit him very very hard if they kill people.

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Speaker 1: But he also gave him a little bit of an out.

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Speaker 1: He said some of these deaths were because of stampede.

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Speaker 1: Later that night, he didn't use that out with Sean

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Speaker 1: Hannity as much, and it's been totally abandoned by Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: The president now knows there are thousands of people dead.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we've confirmed that to him. What could he do,

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Speaker 1: in your view that would be most effective in framing Iran?

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Speaker 13: So I think there are a number of things he

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Speaker 13: can do.

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Speaker 16: I mean, first of all is to target the security

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Speaker 16: forces that are actually engaged in this brutal repression.

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Speaker 13: Go after the repression apparatus.

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Speaker 16: And you could do that through offensive cyber and or

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Speaker 16: military strikes against the IOGC design of Revolutionary Guard Corps,

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Speaker 16: the besiege the police. These are the people that are

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Speaker 16: engaged in this brutal repression. Number two is already to

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Speaker 16: reach out Thelon mosque Is to try to restore or

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Speaker 16: improve the starlink connection. So these videos are coming out

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Speaker 16: Iranians right now being murdered in the dark. They need

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Speaker 16: to be brought to light, and that's very important. I

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Speaker 16: think the presidents and Elon can do that.

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Speaker 13: Number Three.

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Speaker 16: You know what Premister Natyahu and President Trump discussed at

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Speaker 16: the end of December that you reported on you was

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Speaker 16: the growth and reconstituting Iranian missile program, which is going

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Speaker 16: to represent a significant threat to the United States and Israel.

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Speaker 16: As it gets rebuilt. The Israelis are going to go

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Speaker 16: take it out. I think better the United States takes

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Speaker 16: it out. Because of the United States takes out the

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Speaker 16: missile program, Kamine, the Supreme leader of Iran, is going

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Speaker 16: to be quite reluctant to respond because he knows that

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Speaker 16: if he tacks the United States, that's the end of

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Speaker 16: his regime. If the Israelis take it out, it's going

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Speaker 16: to lead to another round around with fire. Hundreds of

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Speaker 16: thousands of ballistic missiles at Israel, and we're going to

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Speaker 16: be in a major war in the United States, and

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Speaker 16: President Trump's going to have to deal with that.

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Speaker 13: So I think President Trump, if he has the.

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Speaker 16: Opportunity, take out those dangerous ballistic missiles, support the people,

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Speaker 16: unlock the communications, go after the regime apparatus.

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Speaker 1: Mark. This is a difficult question for anyone to answer,

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Speaker 1: but you'll know if anybody knows. I heard Kareem today

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Speaker 1: in a podcast with Dan Senor say that the IRGC

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Speaker 1: is one hundred and fifty thousand strong. All right, Iran

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Speaker 1: ninety million people, ten percent, nine million people, one percent

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Speaker 1: of nine hundred thousand people, So one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand igher GC members. That's a third of one percent.

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Speaker 1: How hard is it to overthrow one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand thugs. It's a lot of thugs. They got a

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Speaker 1: lot of guns there, or any other guns in the Iran.

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Speaker 1: But that's not a big police state. It's a relatively small,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 13: Well, there's one hundred fifty thousand ier GC.

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Speaker 16: There's probably two to three million members of the Basiege,

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Speaker 16: which is their militia. Those are the thods that drive

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Speaker 16: around in motorcycles and beat up and torture and kill Iranians,

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Speaker 16: So you've got a couple of million there, and they're

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Speaker 16: also importing.

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Speaker 13: Thods from Iraq.

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Speaker 16: This is the Iraqi Hizbala and the Schiaik militias that

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Speaker 16: they're bringing in, bringing in Arabs to kill Persians because

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Speaker 16: in some cases the security force is throwing to turn

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Speaker 16: their guns on their own people. So the regime's apparatus

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Speaker 16: is formidable.

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Speaker 13: But you're right, listen.

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Speaker 16: I mean, there's ninety two million Iranians, and if ten

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Speaker 16: percent came to the street, they.

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Speaker 13: Could overwhelm the security forces.

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Speaker 16: And certainly some of them are armed, particularly some of

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Speaker 16: the Kurdish groups, the Baluchies and others.

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Speaker 13: So I think that's that's certainly a potential.

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Speaker 1: So, Mark, you're not old enough to remember the actual revolution.

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Speaker 1: I watched it in real time with Right Price and

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Speaker 1: Richard Nixon San Clementy my second job out of college.

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Speaker 1: People marched in the daytime. Then do you expect anti

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Speaker 1: regime marches to occur in the daytime?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, they are.

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Speaker 16: They're occurring in the daytime, they occurring in the nighttime.

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Speaker 16: I mean, what I'm worried about you is that if

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Speaker 16: there's no US intervention, that these protests are going to

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Speaker 16: die off because of the brutal repression, and whether it's

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Speaker 16: day or night, the guns are being turned on Iranians.

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Speaker 13: Thousands are being slaughtered.

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Speaker 16: At some point, They're just going to have to They're

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Speaker 16: going to stay home, and if they.

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Speaker 13: Stay home, the regime is going to come out of this.

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Speaker 16: Yes, a wounded animal, but a bitter one, a lethal one,

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Speaker 16: a much more dangerous one. And I'd be worried that

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Speaker 16: Ryan's will never go back on the streets.

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Speaker 1: Follow Mark on exit m dubouts, follow everyone at FTD

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Speaker 1: at FDD, Mark is coming back next hour. So other

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Speaker 1: my drivetime audience in the inside the Beltway, here's them

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Speaker 1: for six minutes to repeat a lot of this. So

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Speaker 1: make sure you listen to those segments of my interview

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Speaker 1: with Mark Dubowitz and follow him and follow the Foundation

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Speaker 1: for the Defensive Democracy Station Morning Glory and Evening Grace America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hu Jewett. Welcome to our three of today's program.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery, retired United States Navy,

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Speaker 1: now Senior Fellow with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

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Speaker 1: I had the CEO of FDD on last hour. Mark

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Speaker 1: Dubouts Part two is going to come up this hour. Admiral.

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Speaker 1: I first want to begin by saying I listened to

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Speaker 1: your conversation with Aaron McClain at the School of War.

873
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: That was fascinating, and I had no idea that you

874
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: liked the arly Burke destroyer that much. I take a

875
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: few people up and down that river where they've got

876
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: three books underway at any given time. There ought to

877
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: be ten underway at any given time.

878
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 14: Now absolutely right, arly Burke, we've built eighty of them.

879
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 14: We've got ten out a contract. It is the singular

880
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 14: best ship build. It is the proof we can do

881
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 14: things right when so many other things tell us we can't.

882
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 14: It's it's and it's a beautiful ship. I mean, the

883
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 14: President and I are just going to have to agree

884
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 14: to disagree on that. On top of it, by having

885
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 14: eighty and now going to ninety, you can defray costs

886
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 14: of any individual change across eighty or ninety ships.

887
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 17: So a twenty million dollars change costs on that ship, you.

888
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 14: Know, two hundred thousand dollars, But on a DDG one thousand,

889
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 14: well only have three ships.

890
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 17: A twenty million dollar change costs seven million for that ship.

891
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 14: So it's a beautiful classes ship built by both you know,

892
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 14: Angles and Bath iron Works, you know, in two different states. Beautifully,

893
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 14: it is the best surface large service companent in the

894
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 14: world today and it will be for the next fifteen

895
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 14: to twenty years because the investments we made in new

896
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 14: a just baselines nine and eventually ten, in new weapons

897
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 14: systems and in modernizing the hull and mechanical plan.

898
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Every time I go by it, there's one ready to

899
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: be commissioned. There's one in the final stages when they're

900
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: putting the aged stuff on it though it's behind the curtain,

901
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: and then there's one that is just getting underway. So

902
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: I think they're doing about one every two years. Is

903
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: that about right up in Bath? I don't know what

904
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Speaker 1: they're doing in Mississippi.

905
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 14: I'd say one per year in each yard, and it

906
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 14: really gets out too closer to two and a half

907
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 14: per year between the two yards total. And there'll be

908
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 14: perturbations where we launched four in a year, but then.

909
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 17: The next year only two. You know how it is.

910
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 17: But yes, it's you know what, that's consistent ship.

911
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 14: But we bought the ones you're watching were bought in

912
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 14: a lot of nine ships that guaranteed both yards consistent,

913
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 14: predictable money, so they could invest in modernization if they

914
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Speaker 14: chose to, and they could invest in a work force.

915
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: Now, Admiral the President on this program on Thursday said

916
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Speaker 1: he is asking for a trillion and a half next

917
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: year in the defense budget. That's great. Can it be

918
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: banked if there's nowhere to spend it? I mean, can

919
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: it be appropriated and banked over it at either bath

920
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Ironworks or Huntington Angles or whoever's making whatever general dynamics

921
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: down in Connecticut? Can Can that money be appropriated and

922
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: spent but not outlaid?

923
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 14: So obviously we're talking about an extra five hundred billion

924
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 14: the current budget this year's nine hundred one is it's

925
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 14: going to be nine. It looks like nine hundred one

926
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 14: billion plus about one hundred and fifty billion reconciliation.

927
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 17: It's just going to be up there.

928
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 14: May it may a little less one hundred fifty billion

929
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 14: of the reconciliation money spent. What he's talking about is

930
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 14: increasing at five hundred billion. That's a great question you're asking.

931
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 14: I actually think that there are ways to do some

932
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 14: of it. You know, with shipbuilding that you could get

933
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Speaker 14: some multi year money in there, but I think it'd

934
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 14: be very challenging spend all of it that fast. I

935
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Speaker 14: think he's going to have challenges getting a three hundred

936
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 14: billion I think the plan would be three hundred billion reconciliation,

937
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 14: one hundred and fifty to two billion dollar increase in base,

938
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Speaker 14: which the Democrats wore, probably push for one hundred and

939
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 14: fifty to two billion in non defense discretion rank base.

940
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 14: And I think at that point everybody you know from

941
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 14: conservative financial circles heads.

942
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: Now, we don't know, we don't want that. Yeah, but

943
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that the Columbia Class is not funded, but

944
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: the defense, the whole triad depends upon it getting launched

945
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: in eight years, doesn't it.

946
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 14: Look I think that the Columbia Class will, you know,

947
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 14: have some slippage and some cost overs, but I actually

948
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 14: think by by current historical standards, it's going to be

949
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 14: a good A good program look to be. Twenty one's

950
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 14: done fantastic. You've got to give the Air Force a

951
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 14: lot of credit. That thing is delivering close to on cost,

952
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 14: close to on time with you. And one of the

953
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 14: reasons is they've been very consistent, like not making significant

954
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 14: changes to the platform was still in design.

955
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 17: This is something where we failed on the Finkolntarry.

956
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 14: Class, on the Constellation class frigate at the Fincotary Yard.

957
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 17: The US Navy got their fingers in.

958
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 14: The pie way too often changing the requirements and that

959
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 14: was a major driver and our failure there. So the

960
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 14: answer he is, we probably will get all this done.

961
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 14: I don't think it'll be eight years. I think it'll

962
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 14: be ten. I don't think if we say it's a

963
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 14: one hundred billion, I think it'll be one hundred and twenty.

964
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 14: But these are predictable increases in costs and growth.

965
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm finally glad to hear some good news,

966
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: and I was very encouraged by your conversation with Aaron McLain.

967
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: I recommend everyone go to school of war. Now, what

968
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: kinetic option does the president have available tonight? There are

969
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: a million people in the streets of Tehran as you

970
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: and I are talking right now. The images I've seen

971
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: are extraordinary. If he wants to send a message to

972
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: stop mowing them down as has been happening for the

973
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: last four nights, what can he do that gets the

974
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: attention of the Ayatolahamini and the IRGC, so I think.

975
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 17: We have two.

976
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 14: First of all, there's complaints we don't have a carrier

977
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 14: strike over this moment, that's true. But what we do

978
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 14: have is a B two fleet that can operate even

979
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 14: if Israel had not rolled back the whole Iranian.

980
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 17: Air defense networks, which they did.

981
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 14: And then operated with some I would say ease, but

982
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 14: consistency over Iranian airspace. Those B two's delivering each delivering

983
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 14: you know, up to you know, twenty five to fifty

984
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 14: precision guided munitions very accurately, could.

985
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 17: Really do a number. You know, these aren't the four

986
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 17: dough bombs.

987
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 14: These are lots of small bombs could be delivered very accurately,

988
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 14: and they could get in and out safely.

989
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 17: Also, we could use long ring.

990
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 14: Strike tomahawks from destroyers that are in the Middle least.

991
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 14: And if there are submarines, particularly one of our modified

992
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 14: SSGN Ohio class submarines, then we could deliver a lot

993
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 14: of tomahawk as well. But really I would be relying

994
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 14: heavily on our penetrating bomber, the B two stealth.

995
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: So, Admiral, you're a student of deterrence. We've talked about

996
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: it a lot. The President has made the threat five times,

997
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: and as recently as Thursday on this show, that he

998
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: did it again on Sean Hanny's show, that he did

999
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: it on Air Force one last night, and he did

1000
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: it on True Social over the weekend. How much does

1001
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: our credibility suffer if he does not follow through with

1002
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: the kinetic strike?

1003
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 14: Now, So, first of all, this sounds a lot like

1004
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 14: Venezuela over three months.

1005
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: Right now.

1006
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 14: The thing I'd say, first you don't say I'm striking,

1007
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 14: I'm striking, is then that night that's not fair to

1008
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 14: the military forces.

1009
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 17: Try to play around your lack of surprise.

1010
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 14: So the President handled Venezuela perfectly three months of a

1011
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 14: maximum pressure campaign. I didn't agree with every tool he used,

1012
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 14: but he's president and he did a great job with it.

1013
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 14: And by the time he even did like a title fifty,

1014
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 14: it looks like intelligence strike one night around December twenty fourth,

1015
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 14: just to send a signal I will hit you.

1016
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 17: And then he hit him right and he grabbed a duro.

1017
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 14: And so I think he's got a lot of credibility.

1018
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 17: And if I say I'm going to use force, I

1019
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 17: might use it on you. I guarantee.

1020
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 14: China took an important lesson on the on the willingness

1021
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 14: of Donald Trump to use force. Now in the case

1022
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 14: of Iran, he said it a lot. Look conditions on

1023
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 14: the ground, drive that can. Can the application of our

1024
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 14: cost and position make it safer or more likely for

1025
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 14: counter regime forces to succeed.

1026
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 17: If they can, then he should use the weapons. But

1027
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 17: what he signals to them is I'm willing to do it.

1028
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 14: And they know we can bring B two s over

1029
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 14: their airspace since we did it already, you know, early

1030
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 14: in twenty twenty five with the four Dooh strikes. So

1031
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 14: I think he's done the right thing. I don't think

1032
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 14: we'll lose credibility if he doesn't strike, only because he

1033
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 14: did it in venezuel and the conditions aren't perfect here in.

1034
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 17: Iran just yet.

1035
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: All right, last question, I don't know how starlink works.

1036
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: That you do. You are the executive director of the Cyberslarium.

1037
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: People keep saying Elon sent starlink. It's my civilian understanding,

1038
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: which is a zero, that you've got to have receivers

1039
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: on the ground for starlink in the sky to work.

1040
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: Am I right or wrong? I don't mind being wrong.

1041
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: You can tell the world I'm wrong.

1042
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 14: If I'm wrong, the only way I've used it is

1043
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 14: with receivers on the ground. I didn't ess I have

1044
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 14: to have receiver, but someone with whom I was connected

1045
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 14: to had to have a receiver. So do I think

1046
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 14: there's starlink receivers on the ground in Iran?

1047
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 17: Yes?

1048
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 14: Do I think that the system? He has to align

1049
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 14: the system properly so it can be utilized by the

1050
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 14: people potentially. So I think the question might be, is

1051
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 14: starlink being aligned so they can properly be utilized by people,

1052
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 14: you know who are not complicit with the government, And

1053
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 14: that's a good question to ask him.

1054
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: But quick bonus, do we have the capability of interrupting

1055
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: their jamming which is going on of starlink and other

1056
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: cyber efforts. Do we have a cyber tool available that

1057
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: can hit them that we don't have to see?

1058
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 14: We have cyber tools and kinetic tools, and we are

1059
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 14: world class counter jamming, you know, suppressing jamming with our

1060
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 14: kinetic tools.

1061
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 17: We're very good at it.

1062
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 14: And you only have to do it once before the

1063
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 14: guy who owns the jamming system says, you know, I'd

1064
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 14: prefer to not be on you know, so I would

1065
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 14: that's a kinetic weapon that could be released at them.

1066
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 17: But in addition, do I think they're cyber tools? Yes.

1067
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: Admiral Mark Montgomery or Admiral Montgomery, thank you so much

1068
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: for joining us on both the ship building and the

1069
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: orion question. We'll talk to you again soon on both.

1070
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,479
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time coming right back America with David

1071
00:55:51,560 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: Vahnson talking about the economistint It. Welcome back in America.

1072
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett. I was just reading online joined by

1073
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: David Boson, CEO of the Bonson Group. David, Happy New

1074
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: Year to you. Good to talk to you. I was

1075
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: just reading that President Trump has imposed a secondary tariff

1076
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: on Iran twenty five percent additional tariff on the goods

1077
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Speaker 1: of any country that does business with Iran. I've never

1078
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: seen that before, have you?

1079
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 12: Uh?

1080
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 18: Well, I guess I think there have been other issues

1081
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 18: with smaller countries, and obviously there was a layering of

1082
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 18: tariffs and sanctions is a better word for it with

1083
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 18: Russia after.

1084
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 6: The Ukraine invasion.

1085
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 18: But I mean, trying to freeze Iran out seems to

1086
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 18: me to be pretty good foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: Now it is a tariff. I know you don't like tariffs,

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Speaker 1: but that's a national security tariff if everyone was correct.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, that's I wouldn't consider that a protective tariff

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Speaker 18: in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 17: It would be a national security sanction.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So what I expect the Supreme Court to do with

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Speaker 1: the case before it is to reman the case without

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Speaker 1: a decision for tariff by tariff examination by the district

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Speaker 1: court as to whether or not there's a national security

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Speaker 1: in nexus. In other words, punt is that your expectation.

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Speaker 18: Well, look, you would be more of an expert than

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Speaker 18: I would on the legal side of it. They were

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Speaker 18: not national security rationales for the case that is before

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Speaker 18: the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 10: Now it's under.

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Speaker 18: AIPA, which is an economic emergency. There is a different

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Speaker 18: rationale between two thirty two and three ZHO one for

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Speaker 18: national security, and no one has even contested the potential

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Speaker 18: constitutionality of those. I don't happen to believe the steel

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Speaker 18: and aluminum tariffs remotely represent a national security concern. But

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Speaker 18: that's different than the case for the Supreme Court, which

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Speaker 18: is under an economic emergency, where they're claim mean that

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Speaker 18: trade deficits are in and of themselves economic emergencies, and

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Speaker 18: I would very much hope that the constitutionalist and originalist

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Speaker 18: on the Court would laugh this out.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually an originalist, and I think the IAAPA was

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Speaker 1: written in such a way as to give the court pause.

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Speaker 1: But let's put that aside. What I really wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk to you about is the new year. I'm very

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Speaker 1: conservative going into this new year because I think there

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Speaker 1: hadn't been a correction in a while. What are you

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Speaker 1: telling your clients, David.

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 18: I wrote a twenty page annual review commentary forecast that

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Speaker 18: we do every year. There is up at dividencafe dot

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Speaker 18: com went out on Friday, and I'm talking about the

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Speaker 18: different themes.

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Speaker 17: We have our.

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Speaker 18: Concerns about the AI theme, which I was on with

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Speaker 18: you late last year talking about, and I believe the

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Speaker 18: valuation concern it isn't so much you going a long

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Speaker 18: time without a correction. I mean, look, the the Nasdaq

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Speaker 18: was down thirty percent and SMP were down twenty percent

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Speaker 18: for a few days last April, so you've you've had volatility,

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Speaker 18: but the valuations and concentration in the broad market are

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Speaker 18: very high, and we are definitely encouraging clients the way

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Speaker 18: we're managing money to be much more selective.

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Speaker 1: So when the president is in an open conflict with

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Speaker 1: the FED and there might be a DOJ investigation about

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Speaker 1: the Fed's architectural overhaul, does that have any impact on

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Speaker 1: the market or should it?

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Speaker 18: Yes, it should in the sense that if people believed

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Speaker 18: it were a pretextual intervention to central bank independence, which

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Speaker 18: I think it's unquestionably it is. But I believe the

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Speaker 18: reason markets shrugged it off today, Hugh, is that they

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Speaker 18: don't really take it seriously. I think they view it

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Speaker 18: as job owning, jocking, you know, bowling a little bit

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Speaker 18: to try to make sure that you're German Powell when

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Speaker 18: his chairmanship term ends in a few months, that he

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Speaker 18: leaves and not tries to stay for the next nineteen

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Speaker 18: months till his FED governor term ends.

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Speaker 6: There's no legal requirement that he leave.

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Speaker 18: But you got to go back to nineteen forty eight

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Speaker 18: since the last time a FED chair did not leave

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Speaker 18: when their chairmanship ended.

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Speaker 6: I think Chairman Powell is going to leave.

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Speaker 18: I don't like this investigation and the pretext behind it,

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Speaker 18: but I do think markets shrugged it off today for

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Speaker 18: that reason.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm an agnostic as to whether or not they're

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Speaker 1: a pretextual investigation going on here, or whether or not

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Speaker 1: they actually spend a billion dollars they didn't have. I'm

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Speaker 1: open to that. What I'm curious about you mentioned originalism.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there should be an independent central bank, David.

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Speaker 1: That's not in the constitution. There can be a legislation

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Speaker 1: for it. But I think the president would be able

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Speaker 1: to remove every person in article too. You're an originalist.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of min not he doesn't get

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Speaker 1: that there's a bank. It's legal, but I think you

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Speaker 1: ought to be able to replace the bankers.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, the problem we have, Hugh, you and I are

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Speaker 18: going to be on the exact same side of this.

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Speaker 18: I also believe that you can't go create something that

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Speaker 18: exists in sort of outer space within our separation of powers.

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Speaker 18: Let me just be clear, so my integrity is intact.

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Speaker 10: I don't think the.

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Speaker 2: President cares about this stuff at all.

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Speaker 18: I think his motive is he wants someone to do

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Speaker 18: what he says.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 18: But your point structurally that the FED from the Federal

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Speaker 18: Reserve Act, which was passed by Congress exist in a

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Speaker 18: sort of limbo, is to where that jurisdiction is between

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Speaker 18: separation of powers. And I'm very uncomfortable with it, and

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Speaker 18: I think the solution to that is to not willing

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Speaker 18: nearly what parts of the Act we follow, in parts

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Speaker 18: we don't, but it is to go get legislative review

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Speaker 18: and judicial review to force this to.

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Speaker 6: Be done constitutionally.

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Speaker 17: Now you know why.

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Speaker 18: I know that can be done because we're doing it

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Speaker 18: with the Consumer Financial Protection Bile, which I also believe

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Speaker 18: was passed unconstitutionally. But these require judicial review done the

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Speaker 18: right way.

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Speaker 1: So this is the big thousand dollars question. If the

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Speaker 1: Court upholds the president's right to remove at will anyone

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Speaker 1: in the executive branch, so he can he can replace

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Speaker 1: every FED governor. I'm not worried about that because I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna put they still have to go

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Speaker 1: through Cenate confirmation. They can't be Bozo's. I think they'll

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Speaker 1: be normal banker types and they'll be like your own

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Speaker 1: power the end. Do you agree?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I do believe.

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Speaker 18: Look, the President already has the right to appoint them,

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Speaker 18: you're saying, if he has the right to fire them

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Speaker 18: at will, Yes, And ultimately I wouldn't be worried about

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Speaker 18: who would end up on the court as long as

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Speaker 18: the Senate excuse me on the FED. As long as

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Speaker 18: the legislative branch does its job. It concerns me practically,

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Speaker 18: not structurally that I don't think we always necessarily have

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Speaker 18: a Senate doing its job, but that is the way

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Speaker 18: that the system is designed and ought to function.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so I believe that we can find nine FED

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Speaker 1: governors that would make it. Now, David, I haven't listened

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Speaker 1: to the Dividend Cafe yet. Did you record a podcast

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Speaker 1: on your twenty page magnum opus. I haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 18: I did, and I'm going to DM it straight to

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Speaker 18: you when we're done, because there's very few people in

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Speaker 18: the country I want.

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Speaker 6: To hear it more than you. But yeah, we did the.

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Speaker 18: Video with all the charts, the podcast, and then there's

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Speaker 18: a full written pdf that came out on Friday, Yes,

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Speaker 18: and just reviewing everything from twenty five, but then giving

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Speaker 18: our forecasts and themes for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: I want everyone to go to Dividend Cafe wherever you

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01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: get your podcasts from iTunes, Spotify, whatever, and listen to

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01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: David's year end, year begin beginning summary. His podcast on

1225
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: the AI Bubble is also not to be missed. But

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Speaker 1: that's a few weeks back. The new one is the

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Speaker 1: one I want to get. Follow him at David Bonson

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Speaker 1: on X. He's also the founder of the Boson Group. David,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year to you. Thank you for joining me.

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01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere America except maybe during the breaking. Go

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01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: like and follow the Dividend Cafe and download this latest

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: year end, which I will have listened to by the

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Speaker 1: time I'm here tomorrow. Don't go anywhere. I'm hu you at.

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Speaker 1: Mark Dubovit sit next. Welcome back in America. Coming up after

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Speaker 1: the break. Sebastian lie son of Jimmy Lai, is going

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Speaker 1: to join me this hour this segment though, I'm bringing

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Speaker 1: back Mark Dubovitz, who is with us last hour, is

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Speaker 1: the CEO of the Foundation for the Defensive Democracy. Is

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Speaker 1: one of the actual people you can trust on Iran.

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Speaker 1: Follow him on exit m Dubovitz. Follow everyone at the

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Speaker 1: Foundation for the Defensive Democracies, and there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of them. There are a half dozen Iran experts. The

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Speaker 1: FDD is actually the go to place. Mark. When we

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Speaker 1: ran out of time last hour, I wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 1: President Trump mentioned on Air Force One last night that

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Speaker 1: the regime wants to negotiate. My reaction is, God, no,

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Speaker 1: don't do that. That they're just playing for time. Is

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Speaker 1: that your reaction?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, you absolutely. I mean this is a typical regime trick.

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Speaker 16: Their back is against the walls. So they offered negotiations

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Speaker 16: and try to trap American negotiators. And the only place

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Speaker 16: where they tend to win against America is at the

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Speaker 16: negotiating table. They won against Biden, they won against Obama.

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Speaker 16: They think they could possibly win against President Trump. I

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Speaker 16: think it be a big mistake to go back to

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Speaker 16: the table fundamentally, because number one, it would be a

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Speaker 16: betrayal of their onion people that are on the streets.

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Speaker 16: And number two, Hugh, there's no way that Ali Kamene,

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Speaker 16: the Supreme leader of Iran, is going to meet the

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Speaker 16: minimum demands that President Trump has a full dismantlement of

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Speaker 16: their nuclear missile programs and terror networks.

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Speaker 13: No way Kamene is going to give into that.

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Speaker 16: And if not, he's just going to play for time,

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Speaker 16: try to divide America, try to divide the White House,

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Speaker 16: to divide the US from Europe, and he's going to

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Speaker 16: ultimately try to embarrass the President. And I don't think

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Speaker 16: the President is going to be embarrassed and is prepared

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Speaker 16: to be embarrassed, so he needs to enforce the red

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Speaker 16: line that he laid out.

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Speaker 1: Now, Mark, the Israelis could have killed Hamione, and no

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Speaker 1: doubt we can kill Hamoni, but there are arguments on

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Speaker 1: both sides. We to leave him alive or if we

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Speaker 1: have the ability to have him shot killed.

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Speaker 16: Well, I do think we need to decapitate the leadership

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Speaker 16: of Iran, and that includes Kamenee, but also includes senior

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Speaker 16: IRGC commanders, those who are in control of the command

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Speaker 16: and control system of Iran, and that includes the repression apparatus.

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Speaker 16: So yeah, if you decapitate the leadership, then this possibility

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Speaker 16: of others stepping into their place. I mean, that's what

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Speaker 16: President Trump did in Venezuela with Maduro. I think there's

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Speaker 16: more than just Kamine. There are others, but certainly a

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Speaker 16: decapitation effort should be seriously considered.

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Speaker 1: All right, Now, Mark, what are the How many IRGC

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Speaker 1: bases are there? How many besiege bases? The final Israeli

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Speaker 1: wave was going to hit them. President Trump waved it

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Speaker 1: off in order to bring that conflict to an end

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Speaker 1: last June. How many target sites are we talking about?

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Speaker 16: So there are I mean there are dozens and dozens

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Speaker 16: of RGC and besiege bases all around the country, obviously

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Speaker 16: headquarters in places like Tehran, but certainly it's a target

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Speaker 16: rich environment. I mean, the Israelis and the Americans have

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Speaker 16: detailed intelligence on all of these bases, maneuvers, apparatus. This

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Speaker 16: has been cited for years here I mean particted by

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Speaker 16: the Israelis.

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Speaker 13: I mean MOSAD and military intelligence in Israel.

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Speaker 16: Have a very, very large and expansive target set, and

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Speaker 16: that information has been provided to the Americans.

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Speaker 13: So there's no shortage of targets. Just the question of

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Speaker 13: what President Trump will choose.

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Speaker 1: If President Trump brings down this regime, I think he

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Speaker 1: goes to the top of American presidents, at least since FDR.

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Speaker 1: He's going to actually surpass Reagan. The Soviet Union, of course,

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Speaker 1: dissolved under George H. W. Bush. How would you rank

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Speaker 1: that achievement. I think Iran is a lynch pin, and

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Speaker 1: I've got Nixon on the brain. Nixon used to say,

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Speaker 1: it's everything, It's one of the two pillars of the

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Speaker 1: Middle East, And so how big of a moment is

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Speaker 1: this for Donald Trump?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I've said publicly here you know that that if

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Speaker 16: he brings down the Islamic Republic of Iran, he will

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Speaker 16: be one of the greatest foreign policy presidents in modern history,

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Speaker 16: if not the greatest.

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Speaker 13: I mean, the Islamic Republic of Iran, first.

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Speaker 16: Of all, has killed and made thousands of Americans. It

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Speaker 16: has created massive bloodshed and chaos in the Middle East

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Speaker 16: and continue to drag us into these endless wars in

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Speaker 16: the Middle East.

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Speaker 13: It's sponsored terrorism globally.

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Speaker 16: It's threatened to kill President Trump and tried to kill him,

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Speaker 16: and it is try to build nuclear weapons. It has

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Speaker 16: built a massive ballistic missile program. It's fired hundreds of

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Speaker 16: those blistic missiles at Israel, and missiles and drones at.

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Speaker 13: Our allies in the Middle East.

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Speaker 16: I mean, it has been such a force for murder, chaos,

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Speaker 16: and violence that to get rid of it and to

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Speaker 16: replace it with something better and more stable, more peaceful,

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Speaker 16: and more prosperous would be a game changer for American

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Speaker 16: national security. And by the way, it would also allow

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Speaker 16: us to do what we need to do, which is

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Speaker 16: to focus our resources in the coming years on the

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Speaker 16: multi generational threat from the Communist Chinese Party.

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Speaker 1: I read him here quote and he laughed. He said,

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Speaker 1: haven't I already done that? He's done pretty well. I've

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Speaker 1: got to admit ruining the Iranian nuclear to turn is

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Speaker 1: a big deal. But do you think we could count

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Speaker 1: on a post harmonious, harmonious regime being stable and at

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Speaker 1: least not evil?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean President Trump. W also did say that.

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Speaker 16: He said, I accept that. I accept that he's interviewed

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Speaker 16: with you. You know, I think he appreciates how important

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Speaker 16: taking down the Islamic Republic is, and I think he

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Speaker 16: has for most of his adult life.

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Speaker 13: I think we have.

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Speaker 16: Got I don't think we can count on anything in

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Speaker 16: the Middle East, and we certainly can't count anything in geopolitics,

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Speaker 16: but there's no doubt in my mind that whatever comes

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Speaker 16: next will be much better.

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Speaker 1: So everyone in your car go to FDD Foundation for

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01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: the Defensive Democracies. Follow it at FDD, Follow Marquette and Dubavitch,

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01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: and there are lots of other people as well. But

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Speaker 1: make sure they're reliable. Don't believe the regime propaganda. Don't

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Speaker 1: believe the regime apologists, don't believe people who supported the

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Speaker 1: JCPOA believe people like mart Thank you, Mark d Vivitz.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned Sebastian Laie and next, welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitty and the Relief Factors Studio West. Last Thursday,

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Speaker 1: I talked to President Trump about a number of things.

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Speaker 1: Second on the agenda was Jimmy Lai and whether or

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Speaker 1: not President Trump had brought up the imprisoned human rights

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Speaker 1: activist with General Secretary Jujen Ping. President said he had

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Speaker 1: that we haven't got a response from Jijenping, and then

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Speaker 1: the President went on to praise my next guest, Sebastian Laie,

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Speaker 1: as being a good son who's been active on behalf

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Speaker 1: of his father. I'm please to welcome you back, Sebastian. Uh,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I didn't know you had met with

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Speaker 1: the President. That was news. I'm glad you did. Are

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Speaker 1: you getting more optimistic or still no no sign of

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Speaker 1: movement from the People's Republic of China.

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Speaker 19: First of all, thanks so much again for for for

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Speaker 19: having me and for mentioning to the President.

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Speaker 1: Yes it was.

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Speaker 19: I mean having the President cara on my father's case

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Speaker 19: and and and uh you know mentioned my father's name.

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Speaker 19: It just gives us a lot of hope, you know,

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Speaker 19: him saying that he will he will this is something

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Speaker 19: that he will deal with us. There's something that he's

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Speaker 19: working on, and you know, we're so incredibly grateful. I

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Speaker 19: just want to thank him from the bottom of my heart.

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Speaker 19: Uh and And unfortunately, as the President said, the China

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Speaker 19: hasn't responded yet. But again time is running out for

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Speaker 19: my father, So the balls and their court and and

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Speaker 19: and they need to respond soon otherwise my father will

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Speaker 19: will unfortunately pass away in prison.

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Speaker 1: President try said that he's old and sick, so he's

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Speaker 1: aware of his condition, but that they haven't heard anything

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Speaker 1: from g Is there a point at which you would

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Speaker 1: naturally expect them to allow him to move to Great Britain?

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Speaker 1: Is there a sentencing, a conclusion point as they had

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Speaker 1: with souls and Eats and they finally just tossed souls

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Speaker 1: and eats and out because it wasn't worth the problem.

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Speaker 1: Is there a date in your mind you think that

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Speaker 1: they'll do that after some proceeding is finished.

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Speaker 19: And unfortunately they're very happy keeping him there. You can

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Speaker 19: see with the torturous conditions that he's under. You know,

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Speaker 19: for Soldis confinement has been for the last five years,

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Speaker 19: and they've kept on delaying this, this this never ending trial.

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Speaker 19: It seems that now it's finally getting to its end,

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Speaker 19: and to everybody's surprised, they found nothing. There's nothing that

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Speaker 19: incriminates my father. They have found this man who's given

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Speaker 19: everything that he has for freedom and democracy, stayed in

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Speaker 19: Hong Kong foot for his people. And you know, I

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Speaker 19: think that that's what's so important for the for the

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Speaker 19: president to to to press this case, because you know,

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Speaker 19: the Hong Kong government, these are these are cruel people.

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Speaker 19: These are people that want to see my father Dian

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Speaker 19: Joel and without without pressure from from from the president,

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Speaker 19: that's that's what the Hongo government will do to my father.

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Speaker 1: I did ask him, Sebastian if he would consider the

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Speaker 1: release of your father as a significant gesture by Jujinping,

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Speaker 1: and he said yes, I kind of count that as

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Speaker 1: a win. Do you see that as a win that

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Speaker 1: he is putting significance into that sort of it's a

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Speaker 1: bargaining chip, it's something he wants.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 19: We're so we're so incredibly grateful. And you know, to

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Speaker 19: know that the president has about my father's case is

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Speaker 19: something that has has given uf I'm family a lot

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Speaker 19: of a lot of hope and and and it is

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Speaker 19: it's it's the thing is look, it's it's a it's

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Speaker 19: a relatively.

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Speaker 17: Easy thing for hang and trying to do.

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Speaker 19: I mean it will take them two hours to put

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Speaker 19: him on the plane and send them over.

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Speaker 6: To the US, to the UK. It's aware of it.

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Speaker 19: I mean, this is this is very administratively, incredibly easy

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Speaker 19: and at no cost and directly beneficial for every for everybody.

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Speaker 19: So if not even even willing to do something as

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Speaker 19: simple as that, it shows it shows a lot of

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Speaker 19: how the Chinese and and the Hong Kong view, uh,

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Speaker 19: you know, view the cruelty that they're doing to my father.

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Speaker 1: I'm a great believer that Sun Cass cripple governments as

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Speaker 1: well as individuals. They don't realize that there is no

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Speaker 1: benefit to keeping your father in prison. There's one other

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Speaker 1: person in the world besides President Trump I think can

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Speaker 1: get their attention. That would be Popolo the sixteenth. Has

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Speaker 1: the pontiffs said anything about your father?

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Speaker 19: So the Holy Father has met with my mother and

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Speaker 19: sister publicly, and we're so incredibly grateful for that. So

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Speaker 19: I don't believe he said anything publicly, but I think

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Speaker 19: he is praying for my father and for a man

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Speaker 19: in his situation by himself in his cell. Knowing that

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Speaker 19: you're the the Holy Father is praying for you, and

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Speaker 19: that there's so many people praying for him worldwide, it

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Speaker 19: gives him immense strength. I mean, this is what he's

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Speaker 19: going through is something that I think would would break

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Speaker 19: many people.

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Speaker 6: And his faith, his his.

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Speaker 19: His the knowledge that he has done the right thing

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Speaker 19: is what keeps him going Somacham.

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Speaker 1: What can the audience do besides pray for you and

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Speaker 1: your family and your father, you know.

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Speaker 19: Please write your representives, follow this story along and and

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Speaker 19: and I mean besides pray, but praying is a huge

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01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 19: is a huge thing as well, especially in the case

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Speaker 19: like my father's where where you know they keep in solitary.

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Speaker 19: To tell them that nobody cares about him, that nobody

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Speaker 19: you know, has that he sacrificed everything for democracy. I

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Speaker 19: think that's it's something that would matter matters intreumenously. But

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Speaker 19: write your representatives and and and just tell this story

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Speaker 19: whenever you have the chance to.

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Speaker 1: Has anyone been allowed to sit down with him, your sister,

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Speaker 1: the barrister who's representing him, yourself, anyone been allowed to

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Speaker 1: see him in the last six months outside of that

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Speaker 1: brief court appearance that I noted.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, so he he doesn't get any he gets prison

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Speaker 19: visits obviously that they're not.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 19: Anything he says is listened to. But but but he

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Speaker 19: at least gets prison visits. From my understanding, it's half

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Speaker 19: an hour each time, four times a month. So it's

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Speaker 19: it's it's it's a little something to to hold on to.

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Speaker 19: But it's, uh, yeah, it's it's nothing.

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Speaker 1: So bat who goes into it's got to be dangerous

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Speaker 1: to go there. Who goes in to see your father,

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Speaker 1: the lawyer, your sister, it will be Yeah, so Scenowya's.

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Speaker 6: Family members.

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Speaker 19: Unfortunately, because my father, my sister has now spoken out

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Speaker 19: on behalf of my father, she could also no longer

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Speaker 19: go back to Hong Kong. So she made this very

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Speaker 19: conscious sacrifice, after very bravely being with my father for loss,

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Speaker 19: you know, five years by his side, to go out

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Speaker 19: and speak out, you know, about the horrendous treatment that

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Speaker 19: he's under, and and and and and.

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Speaker 6: The deterioration of his health.

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Speaker 13: And because of that, he can't go back.

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Speaker 17: She can't go back.

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Speaker 1: Sebastian, keep keep, please keep us informed. I'll continue to

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Speaker 1: ask the President of the Secretary of State whenever they're

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Speaker 1: on the program about the progress of this guy. I

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Speaker 1: think the more eyes that we can put on Juju

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01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: and Ping, he could do himself a lot of good

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Speaker 1: in the world if you just let your father go

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Speaker 1: to Great Britain. So our pros continue with Sebastian. By

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Speaker 1: the way, President Fairy instruct with you and I am too.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your ongoing efforts on behalf of your

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Speaker 1: dad and democracy in Hong Kong. I appreciate Sebastian Lae.

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Speaker 1: Follow free Jimmy Laie on X and follow me to

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Speaker 1: the next segment on the Q Hereich Chew. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for that.