1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,940 Speaker 2: Hey, freedom looks good on you. I mean, like freedom 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,659 Speaker 2: in all ways. I'm talking comparison, rejection, those wounds that 4 00:00:13,700 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: you have. There are so many different areas that we 5 00:00:16,550 --> 00:00:18,950 Speaker 2: might be struggling with today that we realize, or maybe 6 00:00:18,989 --> 00:00:21,530 Speaker 2: that we don't even realize. We're going to be talking 7 00:00:21,570 --> 00:00:28,450 Speaker 2: about that and more in today's episode. Hello, hello, hello, 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,030 Speaker 2: ladies and gents, and welcome to this week's episode of 9 00:00:31,070 --> 00:00:34,370 Speaker 2: the Bottom Beloved Podcast. As always, it's your girl, Kirby Kelly, 10 00:00:34,510 --> 00:00:36,510 Speaker 2: back at it again. And as you all know, I 11 00:00:36,750 --> 00:00:39,229 Speaker 2: love having guests on the podcast, but it is even 12 00:00:39,470 --> 00:00:42,610 Speaker 2: more special when I get to have reoccurring guests who 13 00:00:42,690 --> 00:00:46,300 Speaker 2: come to talk about topics that I am super passionate about. 14 00:00:46,620 --> 00:00:48,700 Speaker 2: And y'all know that I'm super passionate about the topic 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,250 Speaker 2: of freedom. I literally wrote a book about it. about 16 00:00:51,310 --> 00:00:53,810 Speaker 2: freedom from habitual sin. But my two guests who are 17 00:00:53,850 --> 00:00:56,610 Speaker 2: joining me today, Mack and Kenz, actually just came out 18 00:00:56,650 --> 00:00:59,350 Speaker 2: with a book not that long ago called Freedom Looks 19 00:00:59,490 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: Good On You. And I love that title. But it's 20 00:01:02,300 --> 00:01:05,340 Speaker 2: called Freedom Looks Good On You, a six-session Bible study 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: on overcoming comparison, rejection, and all the things that hold 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,810 Speaker 2: you back. So there's a lot that goes under that umbrella. 23 00:01:12,860 --> 00:01:14,930 Speaker 2: And we are going to dive into that today. But 24 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:17,229 Speaker 2: in case you don't know my two reoccurring guests, I'm 25 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:18,750 Speaker 2: going to let them introduce themselves. 26 00:01:19,180 --> 00:01:21,410 Speaker 1: Mack and Kenz, welcome to the podcast. 27 00:01:21,420 --> 00:01:23,590 Speaker 2: How about we start with you, Mack, and then Kenz, 28 00:01:23,630 --> 00:01:26,430 Speaker 2: you can also tee up everything that people can know 29 00:01:26,450 --> 00:01:26,910 Speaker 2: about you. 30 00:01:27,590 --> 00:01:28,350 Speaker 3: Yes. 31 00:01:28,650 --> 00:01:31,450 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. Well, we're so excited to be here 32 00:01:31,490 --> 00:01:35,070 Speaker 4: with you today. This is such a treat. And yeah, 33 00:01:35,110 --> 00:01:37,390 Speaker 4: let me think. Kenz and I, so Kenz and I 34 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 4: go way back. We've been best friends since our sophomore 35 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:46,030 Speaker 4: year in college. We actually met our freshman year in college. Um, 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,430 Speaker 4: but we didn't really become friends until the end of 37 00:01:48,570 --> 00:01:51,050 Speaker 4: the very last night of freshman year. Actually, we went 38 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:53,670 Speaker 4: to dinner together and it was just like one of 39 00:01:53,690 --> 00:01:55,650 Speaker 4: those God moments where I sat across the table from 40 00:01:55,710 --> 00:01:57,690 Speaker 4: her and I'm like, this girl, this girl is going 41 00:01:57,710 --> 00:02:00,170 Speaker 4: to be my friend for a long time. And then 42 00:02:00,190 --> 00:02:03,270 Speaker 4: a sophomore year, we got back to school and we 43 00:02:03,330 --> 00:02:06,530 Speaker 4: ended up starting a little Bible study together. that kind 44 00:02:06,570 --> 00:02:09,910 Speaker 4: of transformed our life. And from there, that Bible study 45 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:12,790 Speaker 4: grew a ton on a bunch of different college campuses. 46 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:15,690 Speaker 4: And so today, that little Bible study, it's called Delight, 47 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 4: and we have chapters at 250 universities across the country, 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 4: which is so fun. Ken and I have gotten to 49 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 4: spend the last like 14 years stewarding and running and 50 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 4: growing and building and stepping in and out of that 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,779 Speaker 4: ministry at times. And it's been incredible. And it's like 52 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:34,970 Speaker 4: our It's like our first kid. We love it so 53 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:38,750 Speaker 4: much and so passionate about it. And then aside from that, yeah, 54 00:02:38,790 --> 00:02:42,940 Speaker 4: Ken and I write Bible studies and we write books 55 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,100 Speaker 4: and things like that. We have a podcast. And then 56 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,220 Speaker 4: in my normal life, though, when I'm not in front 57 00:02:49,260 --> 00:02:53,780 Speaker 4: of a screen, I live in Charlotte, North Carolina, and 58 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,820 Speaker 4: I'm a mom to an amazing, sweet little girl. She's two. 59 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 4: Her name's Myla. 60 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,100 Speaker 3: I'm pregnant. 61 00:03:00,139 --> 00:03:03,460 Speaker 4: I have another one coming soon. In October, very soon. 62 00:03:04,060 --> 00:03:05,619 Speaker 3: So that's exciting. 63 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 4: And yeah, just my husband and I, we love our 64 00:03:09,620 --> 00:03:11,620 Speaker 4: little community that we live in. We're kind of all 65 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:15,500 Speaker 4: in on our community here. We've been Young Life leaders 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,030 Speaker 4: here for the last four years at the high school 67 00:03:18,050 --> 00:03:20,450 Speaker 4: down the road. And so we're just kind of like 68 00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:24,390 Speaker 4: bought in on our little community outside of Charlotte in 69 00:03:24,430 --> 00:03:27,570 Speaker 4: North Carolina. And it's really sweet and fun. So yeah, 70 00:03:27,650 --> 00:03:28,270 Speaker 4: that's me. 71 00:03:28,790 --> 00:03:29,209 Speaker 1: Ken's? 72 00:03:29,980 --> 00:03:30,940 Speaker 3: So fun. 73 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:34,100 Speaker 5: Well, she got all the details out there, but I'm 74 00:03:34,139 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 5: a mom of two, a two, a girl and a boy. 75 00:03:36,420 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 5: Mac's just like doing everything I do, essentially. 76 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,380 Speaker 4: I follow in her footsteps. 77 00:03:41,060 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Two peas in a pod. I love that. That's awesome. 78 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: Well, Kenz, how about we let you then share the 79 00:03:48,650 --> 00:03:51,710 Speaker 2: details of why you guys decided to write this book 80 00:03:52,010 --> 00:03:52,730 Speaker 2: on freedom? 81 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:53,610 Speaker 3: Yeah. 82 00:03:53,730 --> 00:03:59,020 Speaker 5: I mean, there's been so many coffee dates and with 83 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,260 Speaker 5: girls in their twenties over the last 15 years of 84 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,220 Speaker 5: doing ministry together. And we'll sit across the table and 85 00:04:06,260 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 5: there's so many girls just stuck in these different areas 86 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,540 Speaker 5: of life and searching and seeking and desperate for breakthrough, 87 00:04:15,060 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 5: desperate for freedom and these things. And we can find 88 00:04:19,460 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 5: this freedom when we read scripture. What's really cool about 89 00:04:22,670 --> 00:04:25,229 Speaker 5: this study, as you dig in, you'll see just how 90 00:04:25,730 --> 00:04:31,180 Speaker 5: these different things, comparison and pride and, rejection, how you 91 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 5: can experience freedom and how we saw that through biblical 92 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 5: stories over and over again. And we're like, okay, if 93 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 5: that was true then, it's still true now. So how 94 00:04:39,860 --> 00:04:42,890 Speaker 5: do we navigate these stuck seasons? How do we experience 95 00:04:42,970 --> 00:04:46,890 Speaker 5: this sort of breakthrough, this sort of freedom? And we 96 00:04:46,910 --> 00:04:49,229 Speaker 5: wanted to write a Bible study about it. We love 97 00:04:49,250 --> 00:04:51,330 Speaker 5: writing Bible studies. It's our favorite thing to make it 98 00:04:51,370 --> 00:04:55,010 Speaker 5: like the Bible can just be, I'm kind of like, 99 00:04:55,710 --> 00:05:00,210 Speaker 5: I really struggle with the big words, the historical. 100 00:04:59,190 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: Context, and I'm not a big reader. So when I'm like, 101 00:05:02,690 --> 00:05:03,950 Speaker 3: when I just see a Bible in front of me, 102 00:05:03,980 --> 00:05:05,740 Speaker 3: I'm like, what do I do? Where do I start? 103 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 5: So we're so passionate about giving women a tool that 104 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 5: like gets them excited to open up their Bible each 105 00:05:11,380 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 5: and every morning. 106 00:05:12,220 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: So, yeah. 107 00:05:13,660 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: Well, y'all always kill it. Y'all have so many good 108 00:05:16,420 --> 00:05:17,300 Speaker 2: resources out there. 109 00:05:17,339 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: And this is definitely one of them. That's just like 110 00:05:19,660 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: added to the list. 111 00:05:20,779 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: Of another great thing that y'all came out with. Um, but, You, you, 112 00:05:25,310 --> 00:05:28,670 Speaker 2: it's true. I got an early copy of it. Well, 113 00:05:28,890 --> 00:05:30,810 Speaker 2: what should I say early? Cause I technically got it 114 00:05:30,890 --> 00:05:31,630 Speaker 2: in July when. 115 00:05:31,529 --> 00:05:34,310 Speaker 4: It came out, but early copy for sure. 116 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:38,260 Speaker 2: You know, from when we're recording this episode, it's a 117 00:05:38,420 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: little early, um, but it's really good. And you opened 118 00:05:41,180 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: the study with one of my favorite verses in Galatians five, one, 119 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: which talks about how it is for freedom that Christ 120 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:49,310 Speaker 2: has set us free. 121 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:50,670 Speaker 1: I love that verse. 122 00:05:51,210 --> 00:05:55,710 Speaker 2: Um, But if Jesus has already set us free, why 123 00:05:55,770 --> 00:05:58,779 Speaker 2: do so many Christians still find themselves. 124 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: Living as though they're in chains? 125 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,339 Speaker 2: Like, how do you remedy that verse and help people, 126 00:06:04,580 --> 00:06:07,770 Speaker 2: I guess, through your study to realize that they don't 127 00:06:07,810 --> 00:06:09,130 Speaker 2: have to live in these chains anymore? 128 00:06:09,529 --> 00:06:10,910 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so true. 129 00:06:10,950 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 4: Like, how many people do we know who love Jesus. 130 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:17,380 Speaker 4: They're showing up to church on Sundays. They're going to 131 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:20,420 Speaker 4: the Bible studies, all of these different things. They're actively 132 00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:24,539 Speaker 4: trying to pursue a relationship with Christ, yet their lives 133 00:06:24,660 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: are literally in shackles. They don't realize it, but they 134 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 4: live in these shackles to these things that they've struggled 135 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,580 Speaker 4: with for years and years and years and years. And 136 00:06:34,610 --> 00:06:37,409 Speaker 4: I think it's so easy to read that verse and 137 00:06:37,450 --> 00:06:39,490 Speaker 4: think it's for freedom that Christ has set us free 138 00:06:39,529 --> 00:06:43,110 Speaker 4: and think, Oh, cute. I love that. But like, how 139 00:06:43,130 --> 00:06:44,870 Speaker 4: do I actually experience that? 140 00:06:44,890 --> 00:06:46,190 Speaker 1: And what does that really mean? 141 00:06:46,890 --> 00:06:50,210 Speaker 4: And I think like from this study, from like really 142 00:06:50,690 --> 00:06:53,349 Speaker 4: coming in and like really studying, what does it mean 143 00:06:53,390 --> 00:06:55,210 Speaker 4: to be free? And how do you actually find freedom 144 00:06:55,330 --> 00:07:00,739 Speaker 4: in these specific things? I really believe that all of these, 145 00:07:01,180 --> 00:07:03,260 Speaker 4: all of these, like if you really want freedom in 146 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,980 Speaker 4: these areas, it involves drawing really near to the heart 147 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:14,020 Speaker 4: of God. And it involves like almost a deeper surrender 148 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,740 Speaker 4: than I think some of us are used to. And 149 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,020 Speaker 4: so I think that's where a lot of people are 150 00:07:18,660 --> 00:07:21,140 Speaker 4: following Jesus but not walking in freedom is a lot 151 00:07:21,180 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 4: of times because there's things in their life that they 152 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,780 Speaker 4: haven't fully surrendered, things that they're still holding on to, 153 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,380 Speaker 4: that they're still grasping on to, and almost like without 154 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,260 Speaker 4: realizing it, realizing that in that tight grasp, like the 155 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:37,590 Speaker 4: shackles continue to just like be around their wrists at 156 00:07:37,710 --> 00:07:40,370 Speaker 4: all times. And it's really in like the letting go 157 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,420 Speaker 4: And the releasing of your hands, and I think those 158 00:07:43,460 --> 00:07:47,020 Speaker 4: shackles begin to fall off, and Jesus can do what 159 00:07:47,060 --> 00:07:49,460 Speaker 4: he has always wanted to do in our lives, and 160 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:52,970 Speaker 4: that is lead us into freedom from these things that 161 00:07:53,050 --> 00:07:56,610 Speaker 4: so many of us are entangled in always. So for me, 162 00:07:56,670 --> 00:07:59,150 Speaker 4: what I've really seen is that if I really want 163 00:07:59,190 --> 00:08:03,010 Speaker 4: freedom from pride, if I really want freedom from comparison, 164 00:08:03,250 --> 00:08:08,570 Speaker 4: it involves a really thorough and intense and messy surrender 165 00:08:08,590 --> 00:08:11,460 Speaker 4: of that for many years of my life, I was 166 00:08:11,540 --> 00:08:14,180 Speaker 4: not ready for. And I didn't really know how. 167 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: To do that. 168 00:08:18,010 --> 00:08:22,490 Speaker 2: So why, within the book, you focus on six specific 169 00:08:22,770 --> 00:08:26,010 Speaker 2: things that, areas of surrender, I guess you could say, 170 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:33,330 Speaker 2: where a lot of us need freedom, the areas of rejection, comparison, perfection, shame, pride, 171 00:08:33,390 --> 00:08:37,589 Speaker 2: and half-heartedness. So why those six specifically? And is there 172 00:08:37,630 --> 00:08:39,870 Speaker 2: a thread that kind of connects all six of those? 173 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:42,570 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. 174 00:08:42,590 --> 00:08:46,750 Speaker 5: I feel like with, it honestly probably came through what 175 00:08:46,790 --> 00:08:49,510 Speaker 5: I first mentioned, like the coffee dates after coffee dates 176 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 5: of seeing like so many girls just like caught up 177 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:57,860 Speaker 5: in these, or stuck in these same six things. 178 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: It's six, right? 179 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, six different things. And I mean, anytime we write 180 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 5: a study, we're just like so prayerful about it of like, okay, Lord, 181 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,860 Speaker 5: like what is it? 182 00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:10,940 Speaker 3: And yeah. And also real life experience. 183 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,730 Speaker 5: Like we are not going to write or share stories 184 00:09:13,870 --> 00:09:17,429 Speaker 5: or get vulnerable about anything that is like so real 185 00:09:17,530 --> 00:09:18,030 Speaker 5: for us. 186 00:09:18,110 --> 00:09:20,690 Speaker 3: I mean, as you're just speaking, as you're. 187 00:09:21,050 --> 00:09:23,810 Speaker 5: Asking that question, I was like, why do we still like, 188 00:09:23,950 --> 00:09:27,140 Speaker 5: why is it that we can not We know that 189 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,370 Speaker 5: there's freedom in Christ, yet we get so stuck in 190 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:29,949 Speaker 5: these things. 191 00:09:29,990 --> 00:09:32,290 Speaker 3: And I just thought about myself. I'm like, comparison. 192 00:09:32,350 --> 00:09:34,490 Speaker 5: This is me every day. Like I'm like when I'm 193 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:36,530 Speaker 5: in a worship setting, when I'm at church on Sunday, 194 00:09:36,570 --> 00:09:38,989 Speaker 5: when I'm in my Bible, like reading it, I'm like, 195 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:42,469 Speaker 5: I'm never going to struggle with that. God is so good. 196 00:09:42,490 --> 00:09:45,370 Speaker 5: You're on this like high. You're reading these truths. And 197 00:09:45,410 --> 00:09:47,580 Speaker 5: then the world just gets you so wrapped up in 198 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,820 Speaker 5: it again. And yeah, so I mean, so much of 199 00:09:50,820 --> 00:09:53,790 Speaker 5: this is personal experience tied to like the things that 200 00:09:53,790 --> 00:09:55,110 Speaker 5: I feel like so many of us. 201 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:56,070 Speaker 3: Are walking through. 202 00:09:56,070 --> 00:09:58,459 Speaker 2: Well, let's let's start there, then let's start with comparison, 203 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,819 Speaker 2: because I'd like to maybe explore a couple of these 204 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,620 Speaker 2: different subjects that you guys talk about. 205 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:04,059 Speaker 1: And so I know. 206 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: That in comparison, it could even be it could be 207 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,140 Speaker 2: very obvious at times, but it can also be like 208 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: incredibly subtle. It could be an incredibly subtle thing, especially with, 209 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: you know, social media constantly showing. 210 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: Us other people's lives. 211 00:10:18,010 --> 00:10:21,849 Speaker 2: Like, why do you or what do you think comparison 212 00:10:22,030 --> 00:10:24,589 Speaker 2: is really revealing about our hearts at the end of 213 00:10:24,630 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: the day? Does comparison reveal a greater thing that we 214 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,100 Speaker 2: might be struggling with or believing that needs to be 215 00:10:31,140 --> 00:10:32,219 Speaker 2: addressed at the end of the day? 216 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,780 Speaker 4: Kenz, I'll let you take that one since comparison is 217 00:10:36,940 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 4: one of your chapters. 218 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, yeah. 219 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 5: I thought Mac's having a little bit of Wi-Fi issues, 220 00:10:42,780 --> 00:10:47,380 Speaker 5: so I thought she was delayed. But, yeah, no, comparison– 221 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:51,949 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah. Wait, Kirby, could you say that one 222 00:10:51,970 --> 00:10:53,870 Speaker 5: more time? I got really thrown off by that. 223 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:56,110 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're good. At the end of the day, when 224 00:10:56,150 --> 00:10:59,870 Speaker 1: it comes to comparison, what do you think it really 225 00:10:59,970 --> 00:11:00,860 Speaker 1: is revealing? 226 00:11:01,260 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 2: Because it's like, oh, I'm comparing myself to this person, 227 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,220 Speaker 2: but is that comparison actually revealing maybe, like, a lie 228 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: that we're believing or an insecurity that we actually have. 229 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 3: 100%. 230 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:12,140 Speaker 1: Yes. 231 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: I definitely think it's rooted in. 232 00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:17,580 Speaker 5: These lies and insecurities and just not being sure of 233 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 5: our identity or who we are. I feel like for 234 00:11:20,420 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 5: so much of my life, like, especially like even between 235 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,100 Speaker 5: the two of us for Mac and I, we've like 236 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,980 Speaker 5: basically grown up together, work together. 237 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,220 Speaker 3: We've met when. 238 00:11:30,140 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 5: We were single and we dated people next to each other. 239 00:11:32,820 --> 00:11:37,490 Speaker 5: One got married before the other. one got pregnant before 240 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 5: the other, one lost the weight before the other. 241 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,540 Speaker 3: I don't know all the things that you might be 242 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: tempted to compare against. 243 00:11:43,100 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 5: And for so much of our, our friendship, I felt 244 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,390 Speaker 5: like I wasn't certain of like who God created me 245 00:11:51,470 --> 00:11:56,150 Speaker 5: to be or had any confidence in my giftings. And 246 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:58,770 Speaker 5: I know that, that the Lord is looking down and 247 00:11:58,790 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 5: from a young age, he was certain, like he was like, 248 00:12:02,090 --> 00:12:04,630 Speaker 5: I know what I created you to be and why 249 00:12:04,670 --> 00:12:07,230 Speaker 5: you're gifted and why I've brought you to the places. 250 00:12:06,929 --> 00:12:07,630 Speaker 3: I've brought you. 251 00:12:07,990 --> 00:12:11,109 Speaker 5: But I had my own questions about that for like 252 00:12:11,390 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 5: so many years of life. And it wasn't until I 253 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 5: really got with the Lord and like realized the root 254 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,140 Speaker 5: of that and was able to like grow in confidence 255 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 5: of how he created me, the mission he has in 256 00:12:27,370 --> 00:12:31,469 Speaker 5: front of me, learning to like celebrate others, especially like, 257 00:12:32,170 --> 00:12:34,900 Speaker 5: It's really easy to like not struggle with insecurity when 258 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,780 Speaker 5: somebody is like gifted at way different things than you 259 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 5: are or something. But when you're put up against somebody 260 00:12:40,220 --> 00:12:43,100 Speaker 5: who might have the same gifting or the same mission 261 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,170 Speaker 5: or is kind of like for Mac and I put 262 00:12:47,210 --> 00:12:50,070 Speaker 5: up against each other from the world's view, like it's 263 00:12:50,090 --> 00:12:53,470 Speaker 5: a lot harder in those cases. And I felt like 264 00:12:53,490 --> 00:12:55,890 Speaker 5: that was tested over and over again. And it wasn't 265 00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 5: until that I was just chose to celebrate, like chose 266 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 5: to let her like shine where in areas that I 267 00:13:02,780 --> 00:13:05,510 Speaker 5: wanted to, that I was able to really break free 268 00:13:05,570 --> 00:13:05,970 Speaker 5: from that. 269 00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:09,330 Speaker 1: That's awesome. And I know that you talk about in 270 00:13:09,370 --> 00:13:10,050 Speaker 1: the study as. 271 00:13:09,970 --> 00:13:13,750 Speaker 2: Well about like knowing your anointing, knowing what you've been 272 00:13:13,790 --> 00:13:17,690 Speaker 2: anointed in. So in line of confidence, you brought up 273 00:13:17,710 --> 00:13:19,770 Speaker 2: that word, which I think is like, okay, if we 274 00:13:19,809 --> 00:13:22,790 Speaker 2: are struggling with comparison, how do we find identity? How 275 00:13:22,860 --> 00:13:25,939 Speaker 2: do we find confidence? What does it look like to 276 00:13:25,980 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: become confident in what God has entrusted to you in 277 00:13:29,510 --> 00:13:32,530 Speaker 2: without measuring it against someone else's calling. 278 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:33,469 Speaker 1: Yeah. 279 00:13:33,850 --> 00:13:36,570 Speaker 4: Well, Ken and I have literally gotten, we get the 280 00:13:36,670 --> 00:13:40,189 Speaker 4: everyday opportunity to do this because she mentioned, but we 281 00:13:40,210 --> 00:13:43,350 Speaker 4: get compared all the time, you know, like girls are 282 00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:46,830 Speaker 4: actually so funny. Like when they'll meet us, they'll sometimes 283 00:13:46,850 --> 00:13:49,190 Speaker 4: just naturally be like, oh yeah, I relate more with 284 00:13:49,309 --> 00:13:51,390 Speaker 4: Mac or I relate more with kids. And it's just 285 00:13:51,490 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 4: all these different things. And I know for us, and 286 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:57,890 Speaker 4: especially in the early days of ministry, as you're stepping 287 00:13:57,970 --> 00:14:00,130 Speaker 4: into like, all right, Lord, there's this calling on my life, 288 00:14:00,309 --> 00:14:03,530 Speaker 4: an anointing on my life, whatever it is. Um, and 289 00:14:03,610 --> 00:14:06,990 Speaker 4: you see how that unfolds in the person, your best 290 00:14:07,070 --> 00:14:09,870 Speaker 4: friend's life. It's really easy to think, well, the same 291 00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:13,970 Speaker 4: thing needs to unfold in my life. And one thing 292 00:14:13,990 --> 00:14:16,070 Speaker 4: that I think like when, when it comes to like 293 00:14:16,650 --> 00:14:20,550 Speaker 4: discovering an anointing or a gifting is like, I really 294 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,100 Speaker 4: believe it comes down to a purity of heart. Like, 295 00:14:24,220 --> 00:14:28,340 Speaker 4: I really think like you have to ask God, like 296 00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: I love asking God, Psalm 139, like, would you search 297 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 4: me and know me? Like, would you get rid of any, 298 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:37,100 Speaker 4: anything in me that is not of you? And I 299 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: think about that so often, like when I think about 300 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: the calling on my life and I think about the 301 00:14:43,470 --> 00:14:47,370 Speaker 4: specific giftings on my life, I always want to come 302 00:14:47,570 --> 00:14:49,390 Speaker 4: at it from a place of a purity of heart, 303 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:52,690 Speaker 4: the purest of heart of possible, the purest heart possible, 304 00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:55,940 Speaker 4: where I can literally say, Lord, like, this is not 305 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 4: for me. This is not like, because there's this secret 306 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 4: thing in me that wants to be recognized or seen 307 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: or noticed. This is simply because like you have placed 308 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,910 Speaker 4: this in me and I'm going to walk in confidence 309 00:15:07,970 --> 00:15:10,790 Speaker 4: in that because you chose this for me. You placed 310 00:15:10,830 --> 00:15:13,630 Speaker 4: that in me, not because like I strived and like 311 00:15:13,710 --> 00:15:16,210 Speaker 4: made it happen on my own, but truly because you 312 00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:17,810 Speaker 4: placed it in me. And I think the longer that 313 00:15:17,850 --> 00:15:21,670 Speaker 4: Ken's and I have done ministry together, the more confidence 314 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,010 Speaker 4: we have. Like that's so funny, but like, things come 315 00:15:25,070 --> 00:15:27,970 Speaker 4: up in the delight world or in our like writing 316 00:15:28,050 --> 00:15:31,150 Speaker 4: podcasting world. And I just know, oh, that's Ken's. Like, 317 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:32,670 Speaker 4: I don't even have to think about it. I'm like, 318 00:15:32,770 --> 00:15:35,590 Speaker 4: she's so good at that. And there are things that 319 00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:37,770 Speaker 4: come up that I'm like, oh, that's me. And there's 320 00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:41,610 Speaker 4: almost become this like really, this really cool freedom in 321 00:15:41,650 --> 00:15:46,350 Speaker 4: our friendship now where I truly feel like wins for 322 00:15:46,410 --> 00:15:49,890 Speaker 4: Ken's are wins for me because they're a win for 323 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: the kingdom. Like, I literally feel like, I feel almost 324 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: like proud because I'm like, as a duo, I'm like, yes, 325 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 4: like her gifts, her strengths, like they are just as 326 00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 4: much a win for me because like ultimately God gets 327 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,660 Speaker 4: the glory at the end of the day. And that's 328 00:16:05,740 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 4: why I do this. Like I don't do it so 329 00:16:07,540 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 4: I get the glory. I hopefully do it with that 330 00:16:09,940 --> 00:16:11,980 Speaker 4: purity of heart where God gets the glory. And so 331 00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:14,870 Speaker 4: I think the longer we've been in ministry together, the 332 00:16:14,970 --> 00:16:18,470 Speaker 4: more freedom we really have experienced, even in our friendships. 333 00:16:19,570 --> 00:16:23,790 Speaker 4: freedom from comparison of being able to truly celebrate one 334 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:26,910 Speaker 4: another's gifts, one another's wins in the kingdom. So it's 335 00:16:26,930 --> 00:16:28,270 Speaker 4: been really sweet and really cool. 336 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:34,340 Speaker 2: I love that. I love that perspective. That's something that 337 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,540 Speaker 2: me and one of my best friends. 338 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: Actually talked about a while ago. I remember when we were. 339 00:16:39,780 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: Roommates together after college, she sat me down one day 340 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,580 Speaker 2: and she because I just with the rise of like 341 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: more people talking about Jesus online like Christian influencers all 342 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: these things like that that was not a thing when 343 00:16:54,220 --> 00:16:56,340 Speaker 2: I started posting about Jesus online and then it so 344 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: slowly like became more and more of that and then 345 00:16:58,860 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: I remember just falling into this comparison rut to make 346 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,660 Speaker 2: a long story short where it's like well why is 347 00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: she getting booked for this event you know I'm being 348 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,179 Speaker 2: faithful God like this You know, it's this comparison, but 349 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,930 Speaker 2: it was also this pride. And I didn't realize that. 350 00:17:12,109 --> 00:17:14,910 Speaker 2: And I think for some of us, the two might 351 00:17:14,950 --> 00:17:18,270 Speaker 2: even go hand in hand, where it's like, I'm comparing 352 00:17:18,310 --> 00:17:22,020 Speaker 2: myself to this person, not just out of insecurity, but 353 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: I'm also comparing myself to these people out of a 354 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: place of pride. And God needed to humble me in 355 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 2: so many ways where it was like, wow, God, you 356 00:17:30,980 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: are the main thing. When I first started in ministry, 357 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,060 Speaker 2: there was this purity, and you used that word, this 358 00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: purity where it's like, this is just about you. 359 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,590 Speaker 1: This is all for you. 360 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,570 Speaker 2: And, of course, the enemy wants to corrupt anything that 361 00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:48,010 Speaker 2: is good and holy and consecrated to the Lord. He 362 00:17:48,050 --> 00:17:51,250 Speaker 2: wants to disrupt us. And I think that pride can 363 00:17:51,290 --> 00:17:53,710 Speaker 2: even sneak its head in, and it can be a 364 00:17:53,850 --> 00:17:56,580 Speaker 2: disguise even of comparison. But I would like to shift 365 00:17:56,619 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: gears and talk about pride because that is one of 366 00:17:59,380 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 2: the six things that you. 367 00:18:00,660 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: Guys talk about in the book. And it's interesting because I. 368 00:18:03,980 --> 00:18:06,740 Speaker 2: Think with pride, it can be a lot easier to 369 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: recognize it in somebody else versus ourselves because pride can 370 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 2: mask itself in so many ways. But I'd like to hear, like, 371 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:18,540 Speaker 2: what are some unexpected ways that pride can show up 372 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: in the life of a Christian woman? Because some of 373 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,270 Speaker 2: us might be dealing with pride and we don't even 374 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:24,010 Speaker 2: realize it. 375 00:18:26,670 --> 00:18:30,490 Speaker 5: Yeah, 100%. I feel like pride is such a funny one. 376 00:18:30,530 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 5: I feel like I just go through it. It's not funny. 377 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: It's serious. 378 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:36,500 Speaker 5: But I go through so much of my day to 379 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,500 Speaker 5: day life like with these two like hand in hand. 380 00:18:39,540 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: Like there's one part of my brain that's like, don't 381 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,699 Speaker 3: be prideful, like don't be seen. You got to be humble. 382 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,419 Speaker 3: And then another part of me that's like, but I 383 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,140 Speaker 3: got to speak up. Like, I don't know. 384 00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 5: And I'm like constantly battling this in my head of 385 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 5: like what it looks like to to share, to share 386 00:18:53,780 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 5: online or whatever, to write our studies, to show up, 387 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,929 Speaker 5: to serve. but do it in a humble way. And yeah, 388 00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:04,869 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm navigating that. I feel like every day, 389 00:19:05,030 --> 00:19:07,850 Speaker 5: even currently we're part of a little church plant locally 390 00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:13,700 Speaker 5: and I feel like this constant like battle in my head. 391 00:19:13,780 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 5: I'm like, I want to be seen for this. Like 392 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,540 Speaker 5: I want a real role. Like I don't want to 393 00:19:18,580 --> 00:19:21,940 Speaker 5: be the girl behind the scenes. That's just like the 394 00:19:21,980 --> 00:19:24,899 Speaker 5: stage manager. Like I'm like, I want to be the, 395 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,670 Speaker 5: the girl. And yeah, And then the, the, I know, like, 396 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:31,430 Speaker 5: I know my flesh is just fighting against that because 397 00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:33,940 Speaker 5: like inside I'm like, no, Ken's like, that's not why. 398 00:19:33,859 --> 00:19:34,780 Speaker 3: You said yes to this. 399 00:19:34,820 --> 00:19:38,340 Speaker 5: Like, that's not why you like, that's not even your gifting. 400 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 5: Like we were just talking about, like, that's not even 401 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:42,980 Speaker 5: what you're like, where God has you in this. But 402 00:19:43,609 --> 00:19:46,850 Speaker 5: it's this constant battle of my flesh, like just wanting 403 00:19:46,970 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 5: to be seen, wanting affirmation. Um, and yeah, it takes 404 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,830 Speaker 5: a lot to, to overcome. 405 00:19:58,690 --> 00:20:00,550 Speaker 1: Mack, is there anything that you want to add to that? 406 00:20:00,590 --> 00:20:02,970 Speaker 2: Just on the topic of like freedom from pride and, 407 00:20:03,450 --> 00:20:06,270 Speaker 2: and just even the, the topic of humility. 408 00:20:06,290 --> 00:20:06,369 Speaker 4: Yeah. 409 00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:07,170 Speaker 3: Yeah. 410 00:20:07,660 --> 00:20:09,750 Speaker 4: I would say when I think about pride in my 411 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:12,970 Speaker 4: own life, these days it shows up in like some 412 00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:15,070 Speaker 4: of the, I feel like some of the ugliest ways 413 00:20:15,150 --> 00:20:19,270 Speaker 4: of like in motherhood. It's so easy to think like 414 00:20:19,369 --> 00:20:23,090 Speaker 4: my way is better than other people's way. I think 415 00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:25,530 Speaker 4: about it in friendship a lot of times, like, wow, 416 00:20:25,609 --> 00:20:27,850 Speaker 4: I'm such a better friend to them than like they 417 00:20:27,930 --> 00:20:32,659 Speaker 4: are to me. And I think like, I think for me, 418 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 4: a lot of times pride shows up in expectations, like 419 00:20:35,530 --> 00:20:37,770 Speaker 4: it'll show up in my marriage of like, I'm doing 420 00:20:38,130 --> 00:20:41,449 Speaker 4: all of these things. Like I'm doing the dishes. I'm 421 00:20:41,470 --> 00:20:44,970 Speaker 4: taking care of our kid. I'm like working. I'm all 422 00:20:45,010 --> 00:20:47,580 Speaker 4: these things. And it's like, I'll start listing off all 423 00:20:47,619 --> 00:20:50,820 Speaker 4: that I've done and I'll, I'll compare it. And like 424 00:20:50,859 --> 00:20:53,460 Speaker 4: you said, Kirby, like these two, they do go hand 425 00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:55,580 Speaker 4: in hand in an unhealthy way to what I think 426 00:20:55,619 --> 00:21:00,010 Speaker 4: my husband's done. And then what I've found is pride 427 00:21:00,550 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 4: makes me miserable. I am miserable when I am like 428 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,619 Speaker 4: dealing with pride because it doesn't feel good to feel 429 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,900 Speaker 4: better than other people. Like I don't know why we 430 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,550 Speaker 4: think that that's going to make us feel better. It's 431 00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:17,109 Speaker 4: such a like in the moment it feels good, but 432 00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:21,290 Speaker 4: it's so icky and it's so gross feeling the longer 433 00:21:21,330 --> 00:21:23,690 Speaker 4: you sit in it. And so I think for me, 434 00:21:25,970 --> 00:21:28,830 Speaker 4: my number one way that like I'm like trying to 435 00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:31,669 Speaker 4: deal with pride right now is like I have to 436 00:21:31,710 --> 00:21:34,129 Speaker 4: wake up. I have to be in my Bible. I 437 00:21:34,510 --> 00:21:36,669 Speaker 4: have to be studying scripture truly. Like I have to 438 00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:39,830 Speaker 4: listen to Jesus because that's like the only thing that 439 00:21:39,869 --> 00:21:43,090 Speaker 4: like puts me in my place often. It's just like 440 00:21:43,150 --> 00:21:49,150 Speaker 4: that beautiful, quiet, humble voice of Jesus that like puts 441 00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 4: me right in my place that I'm like, Ooh, like Jesus, 442 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:56,419 Speaker 4: I never signed up to be recognized and noticed. And 443 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 4: I never signed up to like, you know, have this 444 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,379 Speaker 4: like equal playing parts at all times with other people. 445 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 4: Like I signed up to die to myself and to 446 00:22:05,780 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 4: be like a servant of yours. And so sometimes that 447 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 4: isn't going to always add up to what I want 448 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,460 Speaker 4: it to. And I've had just like some sweet moments 449 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:16,570 Speaker 4: recently where like, I had a moment the other day 450 00:22:16,609 --> 00:22:19,109 Speaker 4: where I was like feeling so overwhelmed by my, what 451 00:22:19,150 --> 00:22:22,550 Speaker 4: was on my plate. And I was feeling bitterness towards 452 00:22:22,609 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 4: other people because of what was on my plate. And 453 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,330 Speaker 4: I literally sat with Jesus and I opened up, I'm 454 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:29,969 Speaker 4: doing this really simple Bible study and it was talking 455 00:22:30,010 --> 00:22:34,590 Speaker 4: about Jesus bringing, he had like, they were bringing people 456 00:22:34,650 --> 00:22:37,389 Speaker 4: to him, you know, person after person and he healed 457 00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:40,169 Speaker 4: people all the way into the night. And then the 458 00:22:40,210 --> 00:22:42,970 Speaker 4: next day he still woke up early to be with 459 00:22:43,010 --> 00:22:46,450 Speaker 4: his father. And it like convicted me in a way 460 00:22:46,609 --> 00:22:49,369 Speaker 4: of like, Jesus knows what it's like to have a 461 00:22:49,390 --> 00:22:52,150 Speaker 4: lot on his plate. And then also, but he still 462 00:22:52,210 --> 00:22:54,070 Speaker 4: found the time to be with his father. And I 463 00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:56,510 Speaker 4: think it just like, it drew me back into what 464 00:22:56,550 --> 00:22:59,210 Speaker 4: really mattered. And so I just feel like the only 465 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 4: way I know how to like seriously fight against pride 466 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,340 Speaker 4: and to find freedom and pride is to make sure 467 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 4: that I am like, that the voice of Jesus is 468 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:13,030 Speaker 4: correcting me and that the voice of Jesus is like 469 00:23:13,570 --> 00:23:15,750 Speaker 4: pointing me back to what's true. So. 470 00:23:17,869 --> 00:23:18,810 Speaker 1: That's really good. 471 00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:21,390 Speaker 2: I think that's a really good practical step that we 472 00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:24,689 Speaker 2: can all implement in our life is Am I actually 473 00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:28,830 Speaker 2: submitting myself humbly before the Lord and not just trying 474 00:23:28,910 --> 00:23:32,050 Speaker 2: to be a more humble person and just be someone 475 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:35,650 Speaker 2: who puts myself last or think about myself less? Those 476 00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:39,510 Speaker 2: are all good things to do, but first and foremost, 477 00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:45,250 Speaker 2: submitting to the ultimate authority of Christ and his leadership, 478 00:23:45,490 --> 00:23:48,409 Speaker 2: his transformation in our life, the freedom that only Christ 479 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: can bring. I think that's such a good practical for 480 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,550 Speaker 2: everyone to start with. But as we get closer here 481 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:57,390 Speaker 2: towards the end of our episode, literally this time just 482 00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:59,219 Speaker 2: flies by, especially when you have three people on. 483 00:24:00,420 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: But you talk about so many other topics in the book. 484 00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:05,540 Speaker 2: And if any of those interests, any of you guys 485 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,100 Speaker 2: get their study, go read it. But you end with 486 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:13,290 Speaker 2: this idea that freedom isn't simply a destination that we 487 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: arrive at. It's something that we continuously choose. as we 488 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,820 Speaker 2: walk with Jesus. So for the woman who is listening 489 00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 2: or even the guy who might be listening. 490 00:24:22,820 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: Today and. 491 00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:29,100 Speaker 2: Knows that they have been living a life just in bondage, 492 00:24:29,140 --> 00:24:32,630 Speaker 2: like in chains, what is a practical thing that they 493 00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:36,430 Speaker 2: can do, a practical step they can take towards freedom 494 00:24:36,530 --> 00:24:38,870 Speaker 2: today once they're done listening to this episode? 495 00:24:38,890 --> 00:24:42,530 Speaker 3: That's so good. That's so good. 496 00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:46,620 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Again, there's been moments in worship. There's some 497 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:51,649 Speaker 5: epic song about freedom. Oh, you know, the classic, break 498 00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:54,030 Speaker 5: every chain, break every chain. 499 00:24:55,369 --> 00:24:59,949 Speaker 3: And I'm for that. And I believe that. I do believe. 500 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 5: Deep in my heart and faith that God can break 501 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,620 Speaker 5: any chain that you're tied to right now in a moment. 502 00:25:07,859 --> 00:25:12,870 Speaker 3: I do believe that. And we see that all throughout. scripture. 503 00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:16,690 Speaker 5: Um, and yeah, in this study, you'll have to, you 504 00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 5: do have to read it. Cause there's some like niche 505 00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:21,980 Speaker 5: Bible stories too, that like you kind of overlook and like, 506 00:25:22,180 --> 00:25:24,820 Speaker 5: there's just some epic moments where God is like, no, 507 00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:28,380 Speaker 5: if you respond to me right now, then I will, 508 00:25:28,580 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 5: you will experience breakthrough. Um, like we just were talking 509 00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:35,700 Speaker 5: about pride. There's that, there's an epic story about Naaman, um, 510 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,609 Speaker 5: in this moment, King Naaman and a moment of healing 511 00:25:38,910 --> 00:25:42,220 Speaker 5: opportunity for healing that he had. Um, But he had 512 00:25:42,260 --> 00:25:45,140 Speaker 5: to let go of his pride in order to experience 513 00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:49,090 Speaker 5: this physical healing. And there's just story after story. And 514 00:25:49,210 --> 00:25:53,550 Speaker 5: we see this king experience that in a moment's time 515 00:25:53,670 --> 00:25:56,570 Speaker 5: and in that decision and with faith. So I do 516 00:25:56,609 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 5: think we all have access to that in every way. 517 00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:03,350 Speaker 5: But I do think the follow-up to that is There's 518 00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:05,810 Speaker 5: just a discipline, right, in walking out of our faith. 519 00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:08,330 Speaker 5: It's like we can't just go back to the same 520 00:26:08,410 --> 00:26:11,149 Speaker 5: old way. We can't make the same old choices. We 521 00:26:11,170 --> 00:26:14,970 Speaker 5: can't just surround ourselves with the same people. So, I mean, 522 00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:18,609 Speaker 5: maybe a step one. Well, I'll just pause there. I 523 00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:22,980 Speaker 5: think that discipline will look different for everybody. But I'll 524 00:26:23,020 --> 00:26:26,370 Speaker 5: put an emphasis on it because... I just think it's 525 00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:28,550 Speaker 5: really important. I think it's really easy to be like, 526 00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:32,030 Speaker 5: especially somebody like me, who's like so type B, I'm like, no. 527 00:26:32,130 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 3: I'm free. Like it's all going to be good now. 528 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: And I'm like, realize, no. 529 00:26:36,780 --> 00:26:39,899 Speaker 5: Like there is like a discipline waking up every morning, 530 00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:44,020 Speaker 5: like talking to God, praying, laying that thing down, like 531 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,460 Speaker 5: over and over, looking it in it straight in the 532 00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,180 Speaker 5: face once every single day for a really long time 533 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,659 Speaker 5: to be able to continuously see breakthrough in it. It's 534 00:26:52,740 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 5: quiet moments. It's putting away your phone so you can 535 00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:59,060 Speaker 5: have those moments. It's getting in community, a new group 536 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,010 Speaker 5: of community, making something consistent about it. It's showing up 537 00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:04,990 Speaker 5: every Sunday. It's reading the word, getting the Bible study. 538 00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:08,209 Speaker 5: It's all the disciplinary acts, but maybe one thing that 539 00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:11,380 Speaker 5: might be really, really powerful is to call a friend 540 00:27:11,859 --> 00:27:14,620 Speaker 5: and let them into this moment that might be that 541 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 5: you're just like desperate for breakthrough. 542 00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:19,869 Speaker 3: And I hate this. Like I hate when, um, Somebody 543 00:27:19,910 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 3: tells me to let a friend into it. 544 00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:24,030 Speaker 5: I'm doing like this like course right now that like 545 00:27:24,150 --> 00:27:26,590 Speaker 5: it was, of course, it was like step one. Before 546 00:27:26,609 --> 00:27:29,689 Speaker 5: you start the course, you should tell a friend that 547 00:27:29,710 --> 00:27:32,010 Speaker 5: you're doing it. And it's kind of like a vulnerable situation. 548 00:27:32,609 --> 00:27:34,869 Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, I'll skip that part. 549 00:27:35,050 --> 00:27:35,770 Speaker 1: I'll skip it. 550 00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:39,510 Speaker 5: But I think that there's something really beautiful to that 551 00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:41,330 Speaker 5: because they're going to check in with you and ask 552 00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:44,330 Speaker 5: about it. And there's just a moment of breakthrough that 553 00:27:44,369 --> 00:27:46,730 Speaker 5: happens through a vulnerable conversation with a friend. Then you 554 00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:49,010 Speaker 5: can have that same intimacy with like your father. 555 00:27:49,930 --> 00:27:52,750 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just going to add, you know, if 556 00:27:52,770 --> 00:27:54,689 Speaker 4: you think about it, like you think about the Israelites 557 00:27:54,970 --> 00:27:57,830 Speaker 4: wandering in the wilderness and it was like they got freedom, 558 00:27:58,450 --> 00:28:03,700 Speaker 4: freedom from under Pharaoh, their freedom from Egypt. And freedom 559 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,900 Speaker 4: wasn't necessarily easy. You know, it was hard. The other 560 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 4: side of it was it was still hard. And there 561 00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: was even a moment where they want to go back 562 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,270 Speaker 4: like that. They want to go back. And I think 563 00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:18,630 Speaker 4: like we got to recognize the fickleness of our humanity, 564 00:28:18,670 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 4: of our human hearts that like there's something about us 565 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 4: that like is maybe more comfortable in bondage than we 566 00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 4: are in freedom. And I think it's important to realize that. 567 00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 4: And I think I was going to say the same thing, Kenz. 568 00:28:32,859 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 4: Like I think when you are pursuing freedom, community is crucial. 569 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,270 Speaker 4: It is crucial. Because the fickleness of our hearts will 570 00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:45,070 Speaker 4: sometimes and oftentimes want to go back. And so you 571 00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:49,290 Speaker 4: need people who come around you and want freedom for you, 572 00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:51,690 Speaker 4: even on the days that you don't want it for yourself. 573 00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:54,990 Speaker 4: Who like lead you to the feet of Jesus, even 574 00:28:55,060 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 4: on the days where like you can't get yourself there. 575 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 4: And so I really believe in just the power of community. 576 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:03,620 Speaker 4: And that's what I love about this study is like 577 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,140 Speaker 4: you could do it one-on-one. And there's been seasons of 578 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 4: my life I've done one-on-one Bible studies and it's been great. 579 00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:09,730 Speaker 4: You can do it with a friend. You can do 580 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: it with a group of girls. Just like grab six 581 00:29:12,460 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 4: or seven girls and say, Hey, let's meet at a 582 00:29:14,060 --> 00:29:17,100 Speaker 4: coffee shop and like, let's do this together. And let's, 583 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 4: you know, let's carry each other to the feet of 584 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: Jesus on the days when we don't have the strength to. 585 00:29:23,140 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 4: And I think there's something really powerful about that. And 586 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,900 Speaker 4: when you experience freedom with other people, it bonds you 587 00:29:29,980 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 4: for forever. Like it's such a crazy cool bond. Like, 588 00:29:35,470 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 4: I just think that that's powerful and the community it 589 00:29:39,650 --> 00:29:43,700 Speaker 4: could create to truly walk in freedom together could be 590 00:29:43,860 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 4: the kind of community you've been craving and you've been 591 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:49,900 Speaker 4: looking for and it's scary and it's vulnerable but it's 592 00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 4: so worth it and so yeah I would second that absolutely. 593 00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:56,500 Speaker 1: I agree with all of that I agree with all 594 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: of that and I think another. 595 00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:00,860 Speaker 2: Good step that y'all can take today too is To 596 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:01,940 Speaker 2: get their study. 597 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,130 Speaker 1: Heyo. It's available. It's available now. 598 00:30:06,170 --> 00:30:08,090 Speaker 2: Where can people get their hands on it if they're 599 00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:10,750 Speaker 2: wanting to grab it for themselves or for a group 600 00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:13,090 Speaker 2: of friends or even for their church? Like, this could 601 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: be just a really good study to do even, like, 602 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,180 Speaker 2: with your small group at church or the girls that 603 00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: you're leading if. 604 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: You're in youth ministry or young adult ministry. 605 00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:21,650 Speaker 4: Yes. 606 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,420 Speaker 2: I feel like this could be such a good resource 607 00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:27,420 Speaker 2: even like in that way of someone. 608 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,660 Speaker 1: Leading with this. But where can people get their hands 609 00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:30,990 Speaker 1: on it? 610 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,060 Speaker 4: Yes, you can get it on Amazon. You can also 611 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:36,940 Speaker 4: get it on our publisher's website. I think it's a 612 00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 4: little cheaper on our publisher's website, which is Baker Bookhouse. 613 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,780 Speaker 4: And I am, I'm going through it right now with 614 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,550 Speaker 4: a couple of high school girls. And it's so fun, 615 00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:49,030 Speaker 4: the conversations it's creating. We're having a blast. And like, 616 00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:52,060 Speaker 4: it's really, they're like... You know, I've been friends with 617 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,980 Speaker 4: these girls for a long time and we're getting more 618 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,140 Speaker 4: vulnerable than I think that maybe they're comfortable with, but 619 00:30:57,580 --> 00:31:00,670 Speaker 4: it's been cool and it's been sweet. And yeah, like 620 00:31:00,690 --> 00:31:04,050 Speaker 4: the first chapter is about rejection and it's asking you like, 621 00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:07,150 Speaker 4: what's the biggest rejection you're facing in your life right now? 622 00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:09,790 Speaker 4: And that just opens up a can of worms when 623 00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:10,970 Speaker 4: you're like, wow, okay. 624 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: Got to share this. 625 00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:14,500 Speaker 4: And so it is such a great, it's a great 626 00:31:14,540 --> 00:31:17,820 Speaker 4: discipleship tool, I think as well. And so yeah, Amazon, 627 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,010 Speaker 4: Baker Bookhouse.com. I think all the other places you can 628 00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:22,590 Speaker 4: get it online as well. 629 00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:24,310 Speaker 1: So perfect. 630 00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:26,830 Speaker 2: And I'll make it easy for y'all. I'll link it 631 00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:30,470 Speaker 2: down below. I'll link Amazon down below, but check out Baker. 632 00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:32,510 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a little cheaper on there. 633 00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:35,420 Speaker 1: Save a dollar if you can in this economy. 634 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 4: Jeez. 635 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,500 Speaker 1: And then go tie of it. I don't know. Well, 636 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:41,020 Speaker 1: where can people follow you guys? 637 00:31:41,060 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: Because like you said, I know that you have chapters 638 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: all over the place of, of in these colleges and 639 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,660 Speaker 2: universities that are, all about the Lord. So maybe there's 640 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: a girl who's listening that's like, I want to get 641 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,310 Speaker 2: involved in that, or I want to bring that to 642 00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:56,790 Speaker 2: where I'm at. Where can they check you all out 643 00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:58,350 Speaker 2: and what your ministry is doing? 644 00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:01,670 Speaker 5: Yes, this is our favorite thing to talk about. If 645 00:32:01,710 --> 00:32:05,270 Speaker 5: you're in college right now and looking for community, I mean, 646 00:32:05,290 --> 00:32:08,170 Speaker 5: I was. I was lonely and desperate for a friend 647 00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:10,550 Speaker 5: who knew Jesus. You've got to look to see if 648 00:32:10,590 --> 00:32:13,010 Speaker 5: there's a Delight chapter on your university's campus so you 649 00:32:13,030 --> 00:32:16,110 Speaker 5: can do that on our website, delightministries.com. 650 00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:17,250 Speaker 3: You'll be able to search it there. 651 00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:19,970 Speaker 5: And if there's not, there's always an opportunity to start it. 652 00:32:20,010 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 5: I'm sure there's so many leaders, epic leaders following this podcast. 653 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 5: And so, yes, you can do that through our website 654 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,900 Speaker 5: as well. You'll see the link to apply and you'll 655 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,820 Speaker 5: get connected with somebody on our team. And that's like 656 00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:34,220 Speaker 5: our favorite thing ever. When you step into a leadership position, 657 00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 5: just in college or such formative years of your life, 658 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,740 Speaker 5: you will be held. 659 00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:40,850 Speaker 3: Accountable in new ways. 660 00:32:40,990 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 5: You'll grow in your faith and you'll grow in personally, professionally, 661 00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:46,260 Speaker 5: all the things. So you'll see God move a lot 662 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,140 Speaker 5: on your college campus. So you definitely need to check 663 00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:50,750 Speaker 5: that out. And then for the girl on Instagram and 664 00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:53,810 Speaker 5: all the other places, we're just chatting. We're yapping away 665 00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:56,390 Speaker 5: on our podcast too. So Kirby, we got to have 666 00:32:56,410 --> 00:32:58,290 Speaker 5: you over there. Like literally ASAP. 667 00:32:58,910 --> 00:33:01,610 Speaker 1: I know I was over there for my recent. 668 00:33:01,650 --> 00:33:02,110 Speaker 4: Yeah. 669 00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:06,970 Speaker 1: Yeah. A couple months ago. That's crazy. Crazy times. 670 00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:10,010 Speaker 2: Um, Well, I'm thankful that y'all got to be here 671 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,170 Speaker 2: on my podcast. I feel like we literally just go 672 00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:14,630 Speaker 2: back and forth on each other. So until next time, 673 00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:16,230 Speaker 2: I'll probably be on yours and then you'll be back 674 00:33:16,290 --> 00:33:19,510 Speaker 2: on mine. But I love you guys. Thank y'all for 675 00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:22,700 Speaker 2: being faithful to writing this. It's really good. And I'm 676 00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:24,980 Speaker 2: excited that this is a resource that exists because this 677 00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:29,830 Speaker 2: is something that I needed. I think when I was 678 00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:31,530 Speaker 2: in high school, this is something I would have needed. 679 00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:33,090 Speaker 2: When I was in college, this is something I would 680 00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:35,810 Speaker 2: have needed. Literally a year ago, this is something I 681 00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:36,350 Speaker 2: would have needed. 682 00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:39,530 Speaker 1: Today, this is something I need. We all need freedom. 683 00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:42,610 Speaker 1: So great resource. Y'all can get it today and y'all 684 00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:44,870 Speaker 1: can check out their ministry and everything that they're doing. 685 00:33:45,170 --> 00:33:48,130 Speaker 1: I'll link it all down below. But yeah, freedom looks 686 00:33:48,170 --> 00:33:49,990 Speaker 1: good on you. So keep walking it out. 687 00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:51,860 Speaker 2: And I'll see you guys here next week for another 688 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,650 Speaker 2: episode on the Bottom Beloved Podcast. 689 00:33:53,670 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: But until then, I love you. 690 00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:55,500 Speaker 2: Bye. 691 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:55,860 Speaker 1: Bye. 692 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,660 Speaker 2: For more life-giving faith-based podcasts just like this one, check 693 00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:05,870 Speaker 1: Out lifeaudio.com, a proud partner of the Botan Beloved Podcast.