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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Our

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Speaker 4: two is now underway and has promised we are going

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Speaker 2: Everything, and we told you yesterday we want to do

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Speaker 4: And I had been hearing this gentleman's name mentioned in

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Speaker 4: multiple different places as the guy that's been working on

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Speaker 4: this for years and has interviewed all of the main players,

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Speaker 4: maybe not all, but darn near all, including Jeffery Epstein's

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Speaker 4: to welcome him onto the show. His name is Jay Beecher.

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Speaker 4: He's an investigative journalist. He's British, so he also has

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Speaker 4: an accent. You can find him at substack, substack dot com,

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Speaker 4: forward slash at j Beecher. Lot to talk about, so

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Speaker 4: a lot to talk about. So welcome to the show. Jay,

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Speaker 2: So, just by way of introduction for our.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure, So I got into the story by reading

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Speaker 3: Virginia Giffra is in a circle and the accused and

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Speaker 4: What brings us to this point, now, there was a

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Speaker 2: Right, more with Jbacher. Jay.

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Speaker 4: I asked you who the villain was, and you said

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying what Jeffrey Epstein was doing is okay,

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Speaker 2: I want to get that's never been up for everything else.

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Speaker 3: If he doesn't set her out of court, if he

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Speaker 4: Jay, We've got so much to get to here. I

435
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Speaker 4: want to make sure we're moving quickly. I have a

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Speaker 4: thousand questions for you.

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Speaker 2: Did and we've got this?

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Speaker 4: I don't We've got boys with Guffrey here a picture

439
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Speaker 4: that we could throw up here, which so it's just

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00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 4: to kind of add a visual element to this so

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00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 4: everyone can see this. Did Do you believe that Virginia

442
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 4: committed suicide? I know her dad has said that he

443
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Speaker 4: doesn't think that that was the case.

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Speaker 3: You just never know what to believe anymore with this,

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00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 3: if I'm honest. So you've got she I think she

446
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: likely did. The reason that I believe that is because

447
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 3: her web of lies was so she'd stacked a lie

448
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Speaker 3: upon a lie upon a lie, and I think it

449
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,239
Speaker 3: was slowly beginning to collapse because she was about to

450
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Speaker 3: be deposed for the very first time, she was going

451
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Speaker 3: to have her very first court appearance, because she was

452
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Speaker 3: being sued by Rena Roe. I've interviewed quite a lot,

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Speaker 3: and because she she'd made a false statement against Rena.

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Speaker 3: And so where as she if you look into her

455
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 3: past history, she's always settled out of court. So with

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Speaker 3: Alan Dershowitz, she settled out of court, not financially, but

457
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: she admitted that she was mistaken and accusing me. No,

458
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Speaker 3: she wasn't mistaken, she lied. But with Rena, she was

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Speaker 3: trying and trying to prevent herself from being dragged into court.

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Speaker 3: And the judge two weeks before she committed suicide had

461
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Speaker 3: ruled that, no, whatever happens, you must come into court

462
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Speaker 3: and testify. Now, while she's in the courtroom, the defense lawyers,

463
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Speaker 3: so Rena Rose lawyers sorry, would have grilled her. And

464
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Speaker 3: I know this for a fact because I helped them

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Speaker 3: with certain information they were using. There's a photograph of

466
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Speaker 3: Rena Rod leaving the courtroom with a two hundred paid

467
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 3: report that I did just compiling all of Virginia's lies

468
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Speaker 3: with the evidence. And so what they were prepared to

469
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Speaker 3: do was to use that as an opportunity to finally

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Speaker 3: under o force Virginia to admit the truth. And she

471
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Speaker 3: would have been shown all of this evidence, and she

472
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Speaker 3: would have been confronted with it, and now it would

473
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Speaker 3: have been covered by the newspapers. You also, at this

474
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Speaker 3: same time, had her marriage breakdown, her kids were taken

475
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Speaker 3: away from her, which is very rare. You know, you

476
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Speaker 3: don't often see children being taken away from the mother

477
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Speaker 3: and the mother losing custody, so her life is caving in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it does seem that's a I think, a strong narrative,

479
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Speaker 5: but so bigger picture, I think an issue I want

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Speaker 5: us to talk about when people do push that idea

481
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Speaker 5: that there's not as much.

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Speaker 2: Here as people thought.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of a more mundane guy who had relations

484
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Speaker 5: with underage girls got caught, and then he also knew

485
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Speaker 5: a lot of people, but there's not a bigger conspiracy

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Speaker 5: or bigger behind the scenes thing. One thing people fixate

487
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Speaker 5: on a lot is just Jeffrey Epstein's wealth. Even the

488
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Speaker 5: Vice president the other day was saying it should be

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Speaker 5: investigated how he became so wealthy, because that seems very

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Speaker 5: mysterious to people, and that it must have some sort

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Speaker 5: of dark explanation. Do you have an explanation for that

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Speaker 5: that would be satisfactory?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: How did Jeffrey Epstein become this super rich and connected

495
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Speaker 5: person like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Because I had the exact same thoughts. How the

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Speaker 3: hell did a mathematician, like just a low level maths

498
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Speaker 3: teacher without any degree become so wealthy. It was actually

499
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Speaker 3: through fraud. A lot of it was through fraud. He

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Speaker 3: was arrested in the I think it was the late eighties,

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Speaker 3: very early nineties. He was involved in a he left

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Speaker 3: bear Sterns. So whilst he was a teacher, he'd been

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Speaker 3: poached by one of his student's father who was high

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Speaker 3: up in bear Sterns and saw that he was very

505
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Speaker 3: good with numbers, got him on board. He made quite

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Speaker 3: a lot of money there. But then he went and

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Speaker 3: left and made his own company with a partner. And

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Speaker 3: now both of them were arrested because they said it

509
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Speaker 3: was a pyramid scheme and they were engaged in fraudulent transactions,

510
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Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Epsley made a hell of a lot of

511
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Speaker 3: money millions from that. His partner was sent to prison

512
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Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Epstein, for whatever reason, managed to get out.

513
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Speaker 3: They didn't have enough evidence. Now his partner squealed like

514
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Speaker 3: a pig and said Jeffrey was just as guilty as

515
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Speaker 3: I am. You know, he was just as guilty as this,

516
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: but he got away with it. Then he got as

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Speaker 3: a client for his next company, Leslie Wexner, and Leslie

518
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: gave him the keys to the Kingdom because he was

519
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: helping people to avoid paying taxes. And he did that

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00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: by setting up offshore offshore companies and shell companies in

521
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Speaker 3: the US Virgin Islands. And so Leslie Wexner saw, wow,

522
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: this guy is good. He's running my company as well.

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Speaker 3: He's saving me a hell of a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to sign in power of attorney and he

525
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Speaker 3: did that. But then later on it turned out that

526
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Speaker 3: Epstein had stolen tens of millions of dollars from Leslie Wexner.

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Speaker 3: Enough actually just just about twenty five percent a quarter

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Speaker 3: of the money that he stole from Wexner was enough

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Speaker 3: for him to buy his island. And with more money

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Speaker 3: that he'd stolen, he bought his place in France, his ranch,

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Speaker 3: and he'd already got the house in New York from

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Speaker 3: Leslie Wexner. And then also Leslie Wexner gave him this

533
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Speaker 3: era aura of credibility. You know, he's representing Wexner. He

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Speaker 4: So you're basically laying out a case Jay that he

557
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Speaker 4: was good at one thing financially, and that was shielding

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Speaker 4: people from tax liabilities. He was a tax evader essentially.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not even i'd say, to a tax evader, and

560
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 5: also kind of a consonance game man, like he just

561
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 5: he wormed his way in with Wexner, and maybe he

562
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 5: did valid work for the first couple of years, and

563
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Speaker 5: then after that it just seems he was soaking him.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned he got that place from him. He basically

565
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Speaker 5: got it for what a dollar? He took a free

566
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Speaker 5: twenty million dollar home in New York off of him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. You know, he was rewarded. He was saying

568
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Speaker 3: as this great genius, sort of some asset. I think

569
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: he exaggerated himself to some extent. He'd lied on his

570
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Speaker 3: CB to get to bear Stearns. But regardless, he knew

571
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Speaker 3: how to get rich people to pay less taxes, and

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Speaker 3: that was making those shell companies in the US Virgin Islands,

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Speaker 3: his island. People think that he purchased this to have

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Speaker 3: secrecy and to you know, run some sort of strange operation. Well, no,

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Speaker 3: it was originally just for the fact that if you're

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Speaker 3: in the US Virgin Islands you get certain tax exemptions,

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Speaker 3: you'll you'll you pay so much less tax than you

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Speaker 3: would in the US. So he set up all of

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Speaker 3: these companies, and then he was approached by Noam Chomsky,

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Speaker 3: by Woody Allen. He helped Woody Allen, he helped Leon Black.

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Speaker 3: He had all of these different people who he would

582
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Speaker 3: help pay less taxes by they would filter their money

583
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Speaker 3: into the US Virgin Islands into his shell companies, and

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Speaker 3: then obviously they avoided paying millions and millions of tax

585
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Speaker 3: so they're going to like him. Then he built up

586
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: all of these connections through through that and through political donations.

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00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: His political donations were not really because he believed in

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Speaker 3: the politics that he was supporting. It was because he

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00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: coveted you know, famous names and famous faces, because that

590
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: gave him more credibility. That gave him more access, and

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00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: having that access and that ring of circles attracts more

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Speaker 3: people too, I got it.

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Speaker 4: So let me just challenge the premise here though, I mean,

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Speaker 4: is there any indication that he was a Masade agent,

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Speaker 4: that he was working with CIA, because you know, you say,

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Speaker 4: he didn't get arrested, but his partner did, okay with

597
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Speaker 4: somebody protecting him. Was you know, then he's connected with

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Speaker 4: Ahud Barak?

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Speaker 2: Later on, you know.

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Speaker 4: You just you sort of start wondering, like why is

601
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Speaker 4: this charmed man so charmed? And does he have a handler?

602
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: Does he have people that are looking out for him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how he gets out of things.

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Speaker 4: You know, Leslie Westerner is a obviously a Jewish American.

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Speaker 4: Was there was there a connection there that he was

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Speaker 4: you know, was he blackmailed? Did he blackmail Wexner?

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00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: What?

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00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: What is Is there any indication because this some sometimes

609
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Speaker 4: it feels a little too convenient.

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Speaker 3: I know what you mean. No, I know what you mean.

611
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: It's sort of like this is the luckiest guy in

612
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Speaker 3: the world, right, you know, gone from being a humble

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Speaker 3: maths teacher. But there is no evidence that he was

614
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Speaker 3: involved with Mossad, that he was in intelligence. His former

615
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: girlfriend used to joke that, you know, he's so quiet

616
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: and mysterious that he must be in this CIA, and

617
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: then it's sort of snowball from there. But he did

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Speaker 3: help when so he doesn't need to be a member

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Speaker 3: of an agent to influence world politics and influence, you know,

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Speaker 3: some of the most influential people in the world, because

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Speaker 3: we can see that in his email exchanges, he's being

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Speaker 3: contacted by some of the most powerful leaders asking him

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Speaker 3: for advice. But that tends to be more, if you

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Speaker 3: read between the lines of the emails, it's more the

625
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: fact of his connections, and they're always asking him, can

626
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: you connect me with this person? So one of them,

627
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Speaker 3: i think it was the Sultan of Wherever, asked him

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Speaker 3: how do I talk to Donald Trump? That's because he

629
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Speaker 3: was associated with Donald Trump. Another one asks them for

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Speaker 3: an introduction with Clinton, and they are talking about what

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Speaker 3: we would deem intelligence. He was definitely that the Russia

632
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Speaker 3: angle needs more explanation and more investigation, and you will

633
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Speaker 3: start to see that over the coming weeks. You know,

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Speaker 3: is in any involvement with Russia. But I have not

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Speaker 3: found any genuine evidence to prove that he was a

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Speaker 3: member of Mossad. And when Jeffrey Epstein was asked, so

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Speaker 3: he was asked, let's think we talk about him escaping

638
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Speaker 3: from sort of dodging one conviction early on for fraud,

639
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Speaker 3: but he didn't. He didn't escape two major convictions, so

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Speaker 3: the first one being obviously when he was arrested in

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Speaker 3: it was two thousand and seven, and for sleeping with

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Speaker 3: an underage girl. And he was asked during that time

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Speaker 3: by Professor Derschwitz, do you know are you a member

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Speaker 3: of any intelligence thing. Do you have anyone who can

645
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: shut this thing down? And he didn't. He just he said,

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Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not like you know, I don't have

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Speaker 3: any of those connections. And they would have exploited that,

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Speaker 3: they would have shut that down. And then years later,

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00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: again no one came to his defense, no one came

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Speaker 3: to help him. If he had all of this information

651
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: to blackmail people, he wasn't able to pull any strings.

652
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: But Jay just again to keep pressing the point. So

653
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: you spoke with Jeffrey Eperstein's brother, You've interviewed him. He

654
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: does not believe Jeffrey committed suicide. I guess the question

655
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: would be, what do you believe after speaking with Jeffrey

656
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: Epstein's brother, And if he didn't commit suicide, then it's

657
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 4: apparent that there would be forces that wanted him dead.

658
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when this is coming out, there are a

659
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: hell of a lot of people who are associated with

660
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: Now some of the though I say some of these

661
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 3: powerful people you know have done nothing wrong, they are

662
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 3: still likely some of them may have slept with some

663
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: of the women. Because you've got to remember that ninety

664
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: ninve percent of the women that Jeffrey Epstein had were

665
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 3: over the legal edge. Some of them are registered escorts,

666
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 3: They're fully documented as being escorts at the time. We

667
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: don't know if if some of them had slept with them.

668
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: We just don't know. There's no way of telling. But

669
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: with regards to his death, going back to his death,

670
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: I believe that there are some It still needs a

671
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: proper investigation, and that is for my next book. I

672
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: have been investigating the death and a few things that

673
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: I can't go into right now, to be honest, but

674
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: they there are too many unanswered questions, too many coincidences

675
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: from that night, his final night. We forget that there

676
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: was an original incident where Jeffrey Epstein was found. There

677
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: was a commotion in his cell. Suddenly he wakes up,

678
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: Suddenly they burst open the door. They find his cell mate.

679
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: So they that the cell mate who they put him

680
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: in with, Nick claims he's innocent, etc. I'm not gonna

681
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: touch on that right now, But why did they put

682
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: him in with somebody who is supposed to have committed

683
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: multiple murders and yet they chose him as a safe

684
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: and non aggressive that's the term they used. This is

685
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: a non aggressive, safe cell mate. And on this incident,

686
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: the guards the prison officers burst into the cell. Jeffrey's snoring,

687
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: the noose has been taken off of him, and he's

688
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: gone unconscious. The first thing he says when he wakes

689
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: up is Nick tried to kill me. His cell mate

690
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 3: tried to kill him. Excuse me. Now, he went back

691
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: on that later on, so I'm confused. But they, you know,

692
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: they think he might have been frightened into talking about that,

693
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 3: but he had mentioned that before that people were going

694
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: to harm him. So then you've got the CCTV cameras

695
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 3: not working. At the same time, you've got the prison

696
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: guards falling asleep on the watch. Conveniently, you've got one

697
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: who allegendly claims that a prisoner, potentially Epstein, was shipped

698
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: out shortly before. Now that needs exploring properly before it's

699
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: completely debunked or proven. You never know. But Jeffrey Epstein

700
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: is a man who had the means to organize an

701
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 3: escape if he wanted to. But I don't believe that happened.

702
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: I believe that he died. We just don't know if

703
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: it was suicide or not. There are multiple reasons why

704
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: we shouldn't close the book as case solved on the

705
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: death of Jeffrey Epstein.

706
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that if people wanted him dead, I mean,

707
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 4: maybe it was just they were embarrassed. Maybe they did

708
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 4: sleep with some of these underage girls that were recruited

709
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 4: by Virginia. And I believe you said, Haley, if I'm

710
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: not wrapped, So okay. Question, So there's a lot of

711
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 4: names that were mentioned.

712
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 5: Sorry, I get we might have the same question, which

713
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 5: is just there has been millions of documents that have

714
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 5: come out. There, there is new stuff coming out, whatever

715
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: it is, have we learned anything from it? And is

716
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 5: anyone Is there anyone who actually might be criminally implicated,

717
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 5: even if it's just on the level of what Epstein

718
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 5: himself was.

719
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, You've got sort of things that you could

720
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: highlight as fraud potentially fraudulent that have been raised in

721
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: the documents. But I think the people who so let's

722
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: look at why these were released, and again it goes

723
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 3: for political and financials, political and financially motivated. You had

724
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: the lawyers who need this to be released because they

725
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 3: still have ongoing lawsuits. They've got them against institutions like

726
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: banks that the last one paid out over one hundred

727
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: million dollars, and they get up to forty percent of

728
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: the lawyers, so it's good for them to keep this

729
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: story alive and to keep these bankers and targets trembling.

730
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: And then, of course you have the House Democrats, and

731
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but they do not give a damn about

732
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: justice or victims or they only care about going after

733
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And yeah, nothing has been found in that.

734
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: That's why they've been pushing for it. The lawyers, if

735
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: you look into it, the David Boys, etc. Have admitted

736
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: that they've been working with the House Democrats pro bono

737
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: and they've been helping orchestrate this entire smear campaign. And

738
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: yet what has been revealed is really disappointing for them

739
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: because there isn't anything. Don't get me wrong. There are

740
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: some fascinating things in there, some really interesting scandals and

741
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: things that arise and connections that we didn't know about,

742
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: but none of them are a league. What you're seeing

743
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 3: is guilt by association. They're looking for photographs of and

744
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: it's the way that they portray them. So they get

745
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: the media to put out the headline a victim of

746
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein was in the presence of Donald Trump. But

747
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: then they admit intentionally they redact the name of the victim,

748
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: and yet we know the victim was Virginia Jifrey, and

749
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: that Virginia Jiffrey had said, well, no, I met Donald Trump.

750
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: He was a gentleman. He did nothing wrong. So they're

751
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: weaponizing the Epstein files. They want to use it to

752
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: keep the story alive, to confuse the hell out of

753
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: the public, and to make money. And that is what

754
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: most of this is about making money. And from the

755
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: politician side, it's about using this to keep the heat

756
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: and the pressure on Donald Trump. And yet they are

757
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: really disappointed because they've not been able to find anything explosive,

758
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: and they've definitely not been able to find anything damaging

759
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: against the pre president whatsoever.

760
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 4: So I want to go through rapid fire and name

761
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: by name that have been implicated in this recent drop.

762
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 4: So try We've got to keep our answers tight here

763
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 4: because we'll run along on time here and it's so

764
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 4: much to go through.

765
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Speaker 2: But just touch on the Pizzagate thing. They mentioned pizza.

766
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Speaker 4: They mentioned so obviously this makes us think back, is

767
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: there anything there that you can.

768
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: See people like pizza? People people like pizza, people like steak.

769
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: We've got I worked in politics. Before, where do you

770
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: go for a campaign meeting? You go to a pizza house.

771
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: You'll meet. It's the it's the go to thing. The

772
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: problem is when you take thousands, tens and tens of

773
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: thousands of emails and only pick out the emails that

774
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: say pizza. I bet if we look through your emails

775
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: or my emails, we would find references to pizza. We

776
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: might find some mistake. And when they're put out there

777
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: without any context, then you can spin this whole conspiracy theory.

778
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: And so you've looked at the emails in context. Yeah,

779
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 4: you're saying you've looked at them.

780
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: And many of these emails, we've got to remember about

781
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: ninety percent of what we're what we're seeing in the

782
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: Epstein files so far is already out there. So I

783
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: have seen them, I've seen the context. There is nothing sinister.

784
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: I just checked talking about.

785
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 2: Ninety four emails about pizza in my Gmail. I keep

786
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: that quiet.

787
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: You're going to end up on a list.

788
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 4: Jay, we see references to Goyam goy Is there any indication?

789
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you think Massad, you think you think

790
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: Israeli connections? Who baraga any that's obviously Jewish what I think, Wow,

791
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: is there anything there? Because that's a that's a term

792
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 4: that would be offensive. That was he did he sort

793
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 4: of see himself as a US versus them?

794
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: You know anything there?

795
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: Well, if you go back to the context and read

796
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: it there, he's actually joking when he mentions that I

797
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: can't remember who it is now who asks him a question?

798
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 3: Are there Jewish people there? That no, she says something

799
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: or that will be a predominantly Jewish event, you know,

800
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: it's like a dinner party or something, and he said, no,

801
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: there'll be a lot of go there. It's it's but

802
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: it's tongue in cheap. When you read his emails, and

803
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: particularly the emails that he's had in exchange with this

804
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: person before, they joke and banter a lot. So it

805
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: is just a tongue in cheek comment. You know, it's

806
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: not there's nothing you know, sort of like they're the

807
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: master race or you know, there's no there's nothing like

808
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 3: that in there at all. Once again, it comes down

809
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: to context and reading. When you learn spend years reading

810
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: how Jeffrey Epstein talks. He did actually joke quite a lot.

811
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: He did make a lot of tongue.

812
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: Did he make any references of killing people or offering people.

813
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: I've seen rumors of that.

814
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know there were some There's a couple

815
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: of emails where he jokes about killing people, and they're

816
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: clearly evidence as jokes. But then there's some accused. There's

817
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: an accuser who accused him in the documents of killing

818
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 3: certain victims. And yet this accuser, because her name's redacted,

819
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 3: the public don't know. I've already looked into her and

820
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: she was debunked many many years ago as a complete fantasist.

821
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: She was found to have had a history of serious

822
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 3: mental health problems and of making false accusations, and those

823
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 3: investigate those claims were investigated and found not to be credible.

824
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: So it's not like, you know, this is anything.

825
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: New rapid fire here. Peter Teel, What did we learn?

826
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 3: Not much about Peter Teel's there's not much. I've focused

827
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: less on Peter till at the moment. I've been focusing

828
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 3: more on Prince Andrew and on Peter Mandelson and people

829
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: people like that. And of course.

830
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: Elon Musk. What have we learned?

831
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: So I had known when I very first saw Elon

832
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: put out you know, this claim that he had photo

833
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: bombed Glen Maxwell photobomb didn't. I knew that to be

834
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: a lie anyway, because I'd already interviewed some of Glen

835
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: Maxwell's siblings and this he was. He was close friends

836
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: with Glenn Maxwell, but they wanted to distance themselves, you know,

837
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 3: Elon Musk and other people wanted to say no, I

838
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: wasn't very close with them at all. So that but

839
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: there isn't anything damning against Elon Musk. Again, it's it's

840
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 3: guilt by association. Of course. He knew Glen Maxwell, he

841
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: knew jeff you know, he knew Jeffrey Epstein. He was

842
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: invited to the island, but didn't go to the island,

843
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: so that there's absolutely nothing in the Epstein files that

844
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: are that is critical about Elona.

845
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: So he basically just wanted to go to a party.

846
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: And by the way, Elon Musk has been public he

847
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: wants to see Jeffrey Epstein, the accusers in the actual victims.

848
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: He's underage girls. Once is he justice for them?

849
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: Obviously, Jeffrey Epstein's already dead, so there's only so much

850
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: she could do. But if anybody else was involved, So

851
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 4: Prince Andrew, you mentioned Prince Andrew, Yeah, what do we

852
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 4: what did we learn and are learning about Prince Andrew.

853
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: So a lot of what you're seeing now that you know,

854
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: these headlines are saying this new revelation has been found

855
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: against Prince Andrew in the Epstein files. It's a lie

856
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 3: that there are allegations that have been public for many,

857
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: many years and available, people just haven't looked for them.

858
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 3: Like I say, going back to it with Prince Andrew,

859
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: Virginia is the only person who has accused him. He

860
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: was originally she originally claimed she didn't have sex with

861
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 3: him at all. Then she claimed that she had sex

862
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: with him in New Mexico. Then she claimed a few

863
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: other things and admitted that it was a complete lie.

864
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 3: So I think that whilst he has made some you know,

865
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: made some mistakes in the past and has not helped

866
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: himself with regards to this, he is innocent and let us.

867
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: Just treat tender right.

868
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 4: I mean, he was going, he was he was essentially

869
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 4: going outside of his marriage.

870
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 2: We know that much correct.

871
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: Well, You've got to remember he was divorced by the

872
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: long long before he ever supposedly met Virginia Jifrey. He

873
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: was already divorced. He lives with his wife, Fergie, but

874
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: he will. Here we have so the latest revelation that

875
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: the headlines are going mad about is that a new

876
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: woman has accused Prince Andrew. She said that when she

877
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: was about twenty four, she met Prince Andrew, she slept

878
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: with Prince Andrew, that this following morning they woke up,

879
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: had breakfast together, and he gave her a tour of

880
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: Bucking Palace and then she said goodbye and left. Now

881
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: that's seen as a big scandal. But here we have

882
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: a single divorcee supposedly sleeping, if it's true, with an

883
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: adult woman of her own free will. And suddenly you've

884
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: got the lawyers saying, you know, he must pay up

885
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: more money to help her get over her trauma. I

886
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: don't know what trauma. I think he should be invoicing her.

887
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: You know, I had to pay for a tour Bucking Battles.

888
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough.

889
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: Bill Gates, Bill Gates is the obviously the damning email

890
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: about him can supposedly getting an STI now, I don't

891
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: know if that's true. Nobody knows except from Jeffrey Epstein

892
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: who's dead, and Bill Gates, who is alive. But he

893
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: isn't going to go on any shows too soon, So

894
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: it could be true. I don't know about Bill Gates,

895
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: but it's very damaging for his reputation, not because he

896
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: was associated with Jeffrey Epstein, but that I think that

897
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: that one claim about him in the email from Jeffrey

898
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: is going to stick with him and smear him for

899
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: a long time.

900
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 4: So there is something you told me about that I

901
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 4: actually found surprising, and I think it gets lost in

902
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 4: all the noise here. You know, my assumption was that

903
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein was sleeping with all of these women.

904
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a little graphics.

905
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 4: So if you have if you have young kids in

906
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 4: the room with you right now, please em or take

907
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 4: them away, do your best to not be so graphic.

908
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 4: But that's not the case apparently. Can you explain he

909
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 4: had some deformities?

910
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: Had so? Jeffrey Epstein has admitted this himself. Gilenn Maxwell

911
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: has testified to this, and ninety nine percent of the

912
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: victims have all corroborated each other when they say this.

913
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, apologies for being eighteen plus here, but he

914
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: was proven to have the rectile dysfunction he couldn't get up. Basically,

915
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: he was taking medication for that. It wasn't working. He

916
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: was taking testosterone for that. He was very frustrated man.

917
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: The victims have all stated that he had a deformity

918
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: as well, that he wasn't exactly the biggest of chaps,

919
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: let's just put it that way, and that he would

920
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: not have sexual intercourse with them. If you read the

921
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 3: lawsuits themselves and read the testimonies, you'll see that ninety

922
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: nine percent at the time, he did not have sexual,

923
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: like full sex with these people. He was a person

924
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: who would get That's why the massage table was there.

925
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: He would be massaged, and whilst the massage was happening,

926
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: he would use a toy on one of the girls

927
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: and he would masturbate that that's the clean but it's

928
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: the cleanest, locking put Andrew afraid.

929
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what this is.

930
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: This is I think people have it in their mind

931
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: that it's yeah, there were these girls around, people would

932
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 4: want to party with Jeffrey Epstein, and you know they

933
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 4: might have done other things, but him particularly.

934
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: I that was a revelation to me because I just

935
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: was assuming.

936
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 5: It's interesting how the same thing has come to play

937
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 5: with the Harvey Weinstein case that he also apparently had

938
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 5: deformities down there that hinder a lot of them.

939
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: We were talking about this earlier. There is a lot

940
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: of psychology that's been into this, and and some of

941
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 3: the biggest people who have committed sexual assault or prolific

942
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: in committ sexual assault, a very high portion of them

943
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 3: have found to have had a rectal dysfunction or some

944
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: sort of deformity, and it internalizes their sexual frustration and

945
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: then they lash out on or try and do it

946
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: other ways, or they they're so sexually charged. And Jeffrey

947
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: Epstein was the most sex obsessed person I think I've

948
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 3: ever read about and looked into. And yet yeah, that's

949
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: not talked about. But it wasn't sex. He was into BDSM.

950
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 3: He was into you know, think that his main thing

951
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: was self pleasure because he couldn't get anyone else to

952
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: bring him to that point of satisfaction.

953
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: That's I know, it's graphic, and I apologize to our viewers.

954
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 4: I think it's important though to get the truth, and

955
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: the truth is it's some sort of mix between the

956
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 4: lies and the headlines.

957
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: And I think.

958
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting we kind of end where we

959
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 4: started that President Trump was probably proven right in a

960
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 4: lot of it I do not support the messaging necessary.

961
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: I think it was counterproductive.

962
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 4: But President Trump knew this guy was just a creep

963
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 4: that was leeching off a lot of people in a fraudster,

964
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 4: and he was a kink sexually charged certainly and has

965
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 4: done a lot of bad things. But a lot of

966
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 4: people are getting smeared by guilt by association in this story,

967
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:23,440
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Speaker 4: any other final thoughts here, I'm not necessarily convinced he

989
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 4: wasn't working as a sort of an agent of Israel.

990
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 4: I'm still very curious about that, and I have questions

991
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 4: about Russia.

992
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure we should do that.

993
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

994
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 5: I guess my cards on the table here, But people

995
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 5: who've followed us a long time should know.

996
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: I was always a bit skeptical of this.

997
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 5: I asked to Charlie about Charlie is much more open

998
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 5: to a lot of theories on this, on JFK, on

999
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff, and it was always my role

1000
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 5: to kind of say, yeah, I'm the I'm the spock

1001
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 5: of the relationship. I guess if he's Captain Kirk and

1002
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 5: I so, I've always been a little skeptical on this,

1003
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 5: and I guess so I would just say there's been

1004
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff where people have run ahead with assumptions.

1005
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 5: And I remember even something that always stood out to

1006
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 5: me was when it was repeated over and over, Well,

1007
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 5: they told the US attorney in Miami when he was

1008
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 5: being prosecuted that Epstein belongs to intelligence. And it was

1009
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 5: so revealing to me when I'd heard that over and

1010
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 5: over and over again, and I kind of just assumed, oh,

1011
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 5: that must be a stone cold fact, and instead it

1012
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 5: was a hearsay claim. And one of the things we

1013
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 5: got from all these documents was we got into what

1014
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 5: that youth attorney said when he was asked about it

1015
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 5: in the first Trump administration he said, no, I actually

1016
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 5: never said that, So it's not nearly as ironclad that

1017
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 5: that was true. And I guess what I liked with

1018
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 5: all of this is it let us pause and say,

1019
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 5: what do we actually know stone cold for a fact

1020
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 5: versus what is stuff where innuendo has greatly outrun what

1021
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 5: you can see in And.

1022
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 2: I have a question. I have a question related to that, please,

1023
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: but go ahead.

1024
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: Well, I would say, and as a journalist, I lost

1025
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: my job for covering this and for putting out this,

1026
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: you know, looking at the other side of the story.

1027
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 3: But I would say I became very disillusioned with the media.

1028
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 3: So when we say what is established, I would say

1029
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 3: start at the beginning with a fresh mind. My book

1030
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: Naked Lies is coming out soon and that contains a lot.

1031
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: But let's just look at how the media are reporting

1032
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: on just very basic things. If you were to Google

1033
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 3: right now, you will find out that there's a viral

1034
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 3: claim that Jeffrey Epstein had a baby and that Sarah

1035
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 3: Ferguson emailed him to congratulate him, and the BBC, which

1036
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 3: is a very trustworthy organization, supposedly, Yeah, I don't believe that,

1037
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 3: but it's considered consideracably. And yet I proved that actually

1038
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: Sarah Ferguson wasn't congratulating Epstein at all. That email is

1039
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 3: to some one of Jeffrey Epstein's friends, and then he

1040
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 3: forwards it onto Jeffrey Epstein's you know. In other words,

1041
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: look what Sarah Ferguson has said to me. I've located

1042
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: the mother, I've located the father, and I've the identity

1043
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: of the child and even the baby scan. It sounds

1044
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 3: a bit strange, that's how obsessed I get. And yet

1045
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 3: the BBC have acknowledged that it's not accurate, and they

1046
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 3: haven't corrected it. And so if that's just one thing

1047
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 3: from just yesterday, we've had nearly twenty years of this

1048
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: case and the media dominating the narrative. And I promise

1049
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: you there are thousands of examples that I could pull

1050
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: up that show that what ninety nine percent of what

1051
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: you think you know about the Jeffrey Epstein scandal is

1052
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: a lie.

1053
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: So I have a question related to again, So I

1054
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 4: still think I'll just be honest. I'm still sort of

1055
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: convinced that he was either you know, in cahoots of

1056
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 4: the CIA or you know, working working on Behal, because

1057
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: I just do think that you know Israel, you have

1058
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 4: you've got these you know, Jewish Americans, Jewish, there's French Jews,

1059
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 4: there's UK Jews that that you know, they feel a

1060
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 4: kindred spirit with the Homan. I have zero problem with that.

1061
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 5: Necessarily, Jay, my idea on that, which I've shared with

1062
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 5: a few people, and I want to hear your take.

1063
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 5: I've had the thought, what if Jeffrey Epstein insinuated himself

1064
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 5: with Hudbrac and others because he himself believed in sort

1065
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 5: of the myth of Massad and he thought maybe this

1066
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 5: would protect me in some way, like almost get it backwards.

1067
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 5: He wanted to be associated with her.

1068
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that Jeffrey Epstein lied about a

1069
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 3: lot of things. He lied in his TV. He would

1070
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: tell people certain things, say that he was something that

1071
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 3: he wasn't. So he could very well have been. You

1072
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 3: know that we can't prove either way that he will

1073
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: never find out if he was or wasn't a member

1074
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: of Masad or it was working for intelligence. We can't

1075
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: one hundred percent say he wasn't. But I tend to

1076
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 3: go with the evidence, and there isn't any evidence so

1077
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 3: far that states or would suggest that he was. We're

1078
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: going by how connected he was, but there are people

1079
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: very even more connected than he was to Israel and

1080
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: two other you know organizations, and yet we know that

1081
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: they're not members of the SAD. So we don't know,

1082
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: but it's unlikely.

1083
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think your point was well made earlier though.

1084
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: It's like, why would he have to be, you know,

1085
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: connected with Massad when he could just go over the

1086
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 4: top of the int and go straight to you know,

1087
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 4: to sort of influence world events. And he was a

1088
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 4: very curious person, very gregarious, interesting apparently to be around,

1089
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: so so but I do have more questions here. So

1090
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 4: when he gets arrested in two thousand and seven, two

1091
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 4: and eight time frame, he basically gets put on like

1092
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 4: the most cush house arrest imaginable. Again, that's just one

1093
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 4: of these clues where I'm like, who's looking out for that?

1094
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: Tell you why that is?

1095
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: I can tell you why that is. So they had

1096
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 3: when they first were putting their case together, it was

1097
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 3: based on the schoolhre. They thought, right, we've got him,

1098
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: this is slam dunk, We've got him. That he had

1099
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: a sexual encounter with multiple underage girls. But then what

1100
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: happened was they interviewed the girls and you can read

1101
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: all of their testimonies under oath. They admitted that they'd

1102
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 3: lied about their ages. The focus shifted originally onto Sarah Kellen,

1103
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: one of his assistants, but she was found to have

1104
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: asked about their ages and said make sure they're over

1105
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: eighteen to Virginia and Haley Robson, and then the focus

1106
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: shifted back on to Epstein. But his lawyers did a

1107
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: very good job. Alan Derschwitz was one of them in

1108
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: pointing out the fact that, well he's taken a lie

1109
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 3: detective test. It's proven that they're are mitigating factors. He's

1110
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: not innocent. He's broken the law, even if he didn't

1111
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,479
Speaker 3: know who's breaking the law at the time.

1112
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: It's irrelevant the sex, right, I mean, if you obliciting

1113
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 4: for sex and these girls were getting cars college tuition,

1114
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: I mean they were getting that, that's illegal, right, Okay,

1115
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, so I mean I don't know, definitely,

1116
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 4: I mean that's okay. So Alan Derschwitz is a good lawyer.

1117
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 4: Is the explanation basically?

1118
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: Not that, not that the fact.

1119
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: That there were mitigating factors in that, you know, this

1120
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: wasn't just a first they thought, right, we've got a

1121
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: pedophile here who is targeted young girls. That is very

1122
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: easy to send him into to prison for a long time.

1123
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: Then when they realized that, actually, no, he didn't target

1124
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: young girls. He didn't say, you know, I want to

1125
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 3: find some under eighteens. When that was established, that's when

1126
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 3: there were misgetting factors and the crime, although serious, still

1127
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 3: it was enough to get him a reduced sentence and

1128
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 3: to sort of give his defense ammunition to get a

1129
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: lesser charge.

1130
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: Was he so Glaine Maxwell was his girlfriend at one point,

1131
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: and he sort of loved this about himself. He was

1132
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 4: proud that he maintained relationships with his ex girlfriends. Glaine

1133
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 4: essentially is described as his madam. That is that a

1134
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 4: proper description of her then.

1135
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 3: Or no, not at all, No, No, See that I've

1136
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 3: interviewed most of the circled victims in all of the

1137
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: elder with the women who were age at the time

1138
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 3: that they met Jeffrey Epstein, went to the island, etc.

1139
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: Had their cars and apartments paid for them, are documented

1140
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: as asking to go back to the island. Every single

1141
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: one of them has told me that they didn't see

1142
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 3: Glenn do anything wrong, and two of them previously told

1143
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: the press that Glenn was part of this massive sex

1144
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: trafficking operation. During her trial, they wrote in victim impact statements,

1145
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: Glen destroyed my life, that she was the madam, she

1146
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 3: was running all of this. And yet when I've interviewed

1147
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: them after the fact, they've admitted to me when one

1148
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: of them went crazy when she realized she'd slipped up,

1149
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: that she never once saw Glen Maxwell recruit anyone, grew anyone,

1150
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 3: or abuse anyone. So the police, when Jeffrey Epstein died,

1151
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 3: not the police, sorry, the authorities. They were hugely humiliated

1152
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 3: and prosecutors, etc. They had to get now someone in

1153
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: her place, in his place. They had to find someone

1154
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: else for the target for the public to drag onto

1155
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 3: the pyre burn as a witch and you know, in

1156
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: this massive witch hunt. And they couldn't go after Virginia

1157
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: or the people who had actually recruited these girls. They

1158
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: couldn't go after Sarah Kellen and some of his assistants

1159
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: who were proven to have arranged and organized the massages,

1160
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 3: because they weren't big names and nobody knew who they were.

1161
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 3: But here you had Glenn Maxwell, a famous name, a socialite,

1162
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: well known practically around the world, and she fit the

1163
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: bill for former girlfriend of his and she was perfect.

1164
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: If you look into the actual timeline, you'll see that

1165
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: Glenn is more or less a blip to some extent

1166
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 3: in Jeffrey Epstein's life, and she was absent completely through

1167
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 3: a lot of the period, quite a large chunk of

1168
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 3: the period when some of these victims say that they

1169
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: were abused by Jeffrey Epstein. She was in other relationships.

1170
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 3: She broke contact briefly with Jeffrey, and the evidence, so

1171
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: part of the evidence that I've found has been included

1172
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: in her habeas corpus for since her trial was a

1173
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: complete travesty, and that's a different You could have a

1174
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 3: whole show just talking.

1175
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 4: Do you believe she was guilty? Do you think she's

1176
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 4: guilty of some wrongdoing?

1177
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 3: I originally, honestly, and I get slated for this, but

1178
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 3: I originally went into this believing that everyone was telling

1179
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 3: the truth and that Glenn Maxwell must have been guilty

1180
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 3: and must have known. But the evidence that I by

1181
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: awked all the evidence that's already in existence, and anyone

1182
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: can examine it, you know, the other stuff, and people

1183
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 3: if they went and read some of the stuff on

1184
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: my subject, they will see that. I don't defend her.

1185
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 3: I just say the evidence shows that she did not

1186
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: commit the crime. She's not guilty.

1187
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 4: Did she did she have a relationship with President Bill

1188
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton?

1189
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 3: I think she's a very flirty person. I think she's

1190
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 3: quite you know, her family if they were listening and

1191
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: wouldn't like me saying this, but I think she was

1192
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 3: quite sexually active and flirtatious. But there's no evidence to

1193
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: say that she had a sexual relationship with with Bill.

1194
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: Clinton his you know, private areas.

1195
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but she she talked about that, She mentioned

1196
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 3: that about many other people. I think in some of

1197
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 3: the emails she said you're well hung, you're hung like

1198
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 3: a bear, and and things like this, sort of jokey things.

1199
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 3: We know that she was associating Clinton, that she had

1200
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 3: a friendship with Clinton, she went swimming with Clinton and

1201
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 3: then things like this, and they were the same events together,

1202
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: but there isn't actually any evidence. One person did claim.

1203
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: But this person was Virginia. So you can't. You can't.

1204
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 3: You have to take up with pincher spell that she

1205
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 3: had given oral sex to Bill Clinton. But as I say,

1206
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 3: Virginia has been found to have lied about most of

1207
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 3: her allegations. So you just don't know. That's the That's

1208
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 3: that's the thing about this. There are certain things that

1209
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 3: I can prove one million cent in some that you can't.

1210
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 4: So so the final thing I'll ask you about is

1211
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 4: the Epstein's links to Putin and the Kremlin spies. What

1212
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 4: do we know about this now from this latest email?

1213
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: Dumb?

1214
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there are his reference throughout Putin, and I

1215
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: think now that is going to spawn a massive investigation

1216
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 3: into potential connections with the Kremlin. We know that Jeffrey

1217
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 3: Epstein liked to have the control over people in the

1218
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 3: sense of manipulating politics, attacking Donald Trump. He helped one

1219
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 3: of the Democrats. He was texting her at the time

1220
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 3: and telling her how to grill a witness to go

1221
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 3: after Donald Trump. So he was very keen on feeling powerful,

1222
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 3: being connected to powerful people. And the documents clearly show

1223
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: that he was coveting a very close relationship with people

1224
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 3: high up in Russia. And he had a fascination with Russia.

1225
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: People don't mention this, but Jeffrey Epstein was Russia obsessed.

1226
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 3: He was particularly obsessed with Russian women, young eighteen to

1227
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 3: twenty year olds, and that's because he loved the book Lolita.

1228
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 3: That doesn't ring you know, it's not very good in

1229
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: his defense, but he was fascinated with that. He was

1230
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 3: fascinated with Russian culture and politics. And the documents that

1231
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 3: are being unearthed now I'm going to be putting out

1232
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: a series about his Russia connections, but they do show

1233
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 3: that there was his ties to Russia run far deeper

1234
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 3: than before interesting.

1235
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 4: So there is potentially in yours. I mean, you and

1236
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 4: Blake are like the wet blanket of Epstein conspiracies, So

1237
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 4: there is, But even you will admit that there is

1238
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 4: a thread to Paul that still needs pulling when it

1239
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 4: comes to Russia.

1240
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.

1241
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 4: I have to ask you, because just you know, it's

1242
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 4: another name that's being asked about, Steve Bannon. What was

1243
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 4: Steve Bannon's connection to Jeffrey Epstein And is there any

1244
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 4: indication from the email and the new files that have

1245
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 4: been dumped that he did anything untoward, wrong, illegal?

1246
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, So Steve Bannon, they're going after Steve Bannon

1247
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: because of his past connection with Trump. Steve Bannon did

1248
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: nothing wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever to show that

1249
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 3: he did anything wrong. And in fact, if you read

1250
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 3: through the Epstein files and all of the evidence that's

1251
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 3: come before this, you'll see that his part in all

1252
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 3: of this is very mind and that he didn't He

1253
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 3: wasn't as close to Jeffrey Epstein as anybody assumes. So

1254
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 3: he did after Jeffrey Epstein's conviction, Jeffrey Epstein was naturally

1255
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: a great person to interview. That's a scoop to get

1256
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: to get hold of him. Jeffrey Epstein at the same

1257
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 3: time wanted to exploit that because he wanted to reinvent

1258
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: his image and try and try and correct some of

1259
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 3: the negative publicity that was being naturally and understandably directed

1260
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 3: at him. Steve Bannon approached him, they were talking, they'd

1261
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: already had a connection that passed very briefsociation, and then

1262
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 3: we're seeing Now you can go and watch the interview

1263
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 3: of that Steve Bannon conducted, and that was Steve Bannon

1264
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: does not hold any punches back. He does. It's a

1265
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 3: fascinating interview, but he does say, you know, you're a

1266
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 3: convicted sex offender. He gets Jeffrey Epstein a bit uncomfortable.

1267
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 3: But as far as any guilt, it goes back to

1268
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 3: that guilt by association again. You know, you are photographed

1269
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 3: here or you're documented, is having an association with a

1270
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 3: guy who turned out to be a criminal, ergo, you

1271
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 3: must be a criminal. Well, it's completely nonsense, you know,

1272
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 3: it's complete nonsense. And there is no evidence to show

1273
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 3: that Bannon ever did anything wrong.

1274
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's I've I think that's a fair assumption.

1275
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 4: I've always been told that it was sort of like

1276
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 4: post Bannon being in Trump world, he went to go

1277
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 4: interview and wanted a scoop, wanted a documentary. You know

1278
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 4: it it seems seems like it you know, checks the

1279
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 4: smell tests.

1280
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: But we'll see.

1281
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 3: As we have to remember as well, we have to

1282
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: remember that Epstein was very keen to go after Donald Trump.

1283
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 3: They'd had this fallout. You can read the emails where

1284
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 3: he's really criticizing Donald Trump. He helped actively the House

1285
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 3: Democrats try to smear Donald Trump. Now if Epstein, that

1286
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 3: goes to another point we were talking about earlier. If

1287
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 3: Epstein had any information that was damaging against Donald Trump,

1288
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 3: he would have released it. He didn't have any He

1289
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 3: didn't have anything against Donald Trump to release. He was

1290
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 3: trying to find other ways, trying and desperately scrape in

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Speaker 3: the barrel, just like the lawyers and the journalists are

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Speaker 3: doing now to attack Donald Trump. But he didn't have

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Speaker 3: anything damaging.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it you know, it could.

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Speaker 4: I've also heard the theory floated that, you know, Steve

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Speaker 4: was also doing some counterintelligence to see if there was

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Speaker 4: you know, what the attack factors could be. I haven't

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Speaker 4: spoken with him about it, so that's another another theory.

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Speaker 4: Jay Beecher, please let everybody know how they can follow you,

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Speaker 4: how they can follow along in your upcoming book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure, So if you head over to my sub sect,

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Speaker 3: I think it's at Jbacher or go to the Rebel

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Speaker 3: Journalist dot com and you can subscribe to me there.

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Speaker 3: It's riddled with exclusive interviews with most of the key players,

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Speaker 3: with Donald Trump's lawyer, with the Maxwell family, with the

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Speaker 3: accused and the accusers, and my book Naked Lies is

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Speaker 3: going to be covering my six year investigation. And there

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Speaker 3: are some really there's some evidence that I've had to

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Speaker 3: hold back for the book. So there's some some really

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Speaker 3: explosive things that when the book comes out, it's gonna

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Speaker 3: gonna there's gonna be a mini earthquake. I think in

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Speaker 3: this it will make some headlines and it's changed some

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Speaker 3: minds as well. So it should be coming out at

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Speaker 3: the end of this month, at the very latest one

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Speaker 3: at the first week of next month, but it's looking

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Speaker 3: to be the end of this month.

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Speaker 4: Well, congratulations on the book. That's always a huge undertaking.

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Speaker 4: So Jay, thank you for your time, Thank you for.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure the emails are going to be very upset

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Speaker 4: at us, but that's doesn't matter. We're asking you the questions,

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Speaker 4: you're giving your your POV.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it is what's.

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Speaker 3: Direct the hate to me, don't worry, just say, you know,

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Speaker 3: don't shoot the message.

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Speaker 2: I listen. One of them says you're full of poop emoji.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, I've got a few of those

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Speaker 4: every day, all right, Jay Beacher, Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for your time. Looking forward to Naked Lies coming out

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Speaker 4: at the end of this month, early at the latest,

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Speaker 4: early next month. Thank you for your perspective and all

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Speaker 4: of that hard work that you've done.

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Speaker 2: You've interviewed a ton of people.

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Speaker 3: A lot of appreciate.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, take care very much. For more on many of

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Speaker 2: these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk

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Speaker 2: dot com.