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Speaker 2: It's the Alex Marlow Show. You got a really busy one.
Speaker 2: Today is a hot, hot news day, and we're going
Speaker 2: to get into all the latest with the proposed peace
Speaker 2: steal with Iran that's just come down. I'll give you
Speaker 2: all the details. They're probably more detail than you're going
Speaker 2: to get it just about anywhere else. I'm also going
Speaker 2: to talk about some of the California governor's race where
Speaker 2: there was a debate last night. It went off the
Speaker 2: rails a number of points. We'll play some highlights and
Speaker 2: i'll tell you what I think is the real story
Speaker 2: in the La mayoral race as well. That's coming up
Speaker 2: later in the show. Plus a heck of a lot more,
Speaker 2: including EPA administrator Lee Zelden, who's one of the I
Speaker 2: would say most of people in Trump's cabinet. Let's talk
Speaker 2: though about what's been proposed. Earlier today we got news.
Speaker 2: A lot of this reporting was from the President himself,
Speaker 2: others from Axios. More from the Jerusalem Post as well,
Speaker 2: that the US and Iran are closing in on a
Speaker 2: one page memo that could potentially end the war. So,
Speaker 2: a one page memo that includes a memorandum that would
Speaker 2: have understanding that Iran would stop developing nuclear enrichmond for
Speaker 2: fifteen years. I think fifteen's a good number. I think
Speaker 2: that anything over twenty would have been an unrealistic ask
Speaker 2: and is sort of like an infinity amount of number.
Speaker 2: This is where I always criticize the climate change people
Speaker 2: who suggest that, well, if we don't act now, that
Speaker 2: by twenty eighty nine, we're all going to be dead.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, well, certainly everyone having this conversation is
Speaker 2: going to be dead. And that's the whole point, is
Speaker 2: that we're never going to get the answer this question.
Speaker 2: So it's one of these things where I felt like
Speaker 2: twenty years would be the target. Fifteen seems pretty good.
Speaker 2: Iran would sive a bunch of money in frozen funds,
Speaker 2: which I'm comfortable with, so long as we are able
Speaker 2: to monitor that the enrichment's not taking place, which I
Speaker 2: trust Trump to do this. I did not trust Obama
Speaker 2: to do this. I don't trust the IAEA or the
Speaker 2: UN to do this, but Donald Trump and his government
Speaker 2: I used to trust him to come up with something
Speaker 2: where we could monitor this and to make sure that
Speaker 2: the money is not going to tear a proxies in
Speaker 2: the region, which again is very tough to do, but
Speaker 2: if anyone can do it, I trust President Trump Secretary
Speaker 2: Vesent to keep an eye on those sorts of things,
Speaker 2: and so perhaps we could be on the verge of
Speaker 2: some sort of a piece. But Iran now has forty
Speaker 2: eight hours to sign this memorandum, and if they don't
Speaker 2: do this, Trump has said these are going to bomb
Speaker 2: them to high heavens at a much higher level was
Speaker 2: his exact quote. So this is on the table. We
Speaker 2: got forty eight hours. Other details that you need to
Speaker 2: know from this is that now Project Freedom, which I
Speaker 2: discussed in great detail on shows earlier in the week,
Speaker 2: is on temporary pause. US operation to secure chips passage
Speaker 2: through the Strait of War moves is on pause for
Speaker 2: forty eight hours, as the President's sites great progress towards
Speaker 2: a peace US naval blockade remains in full effect. Trump
Speaker 2: has warned that if the agreement does not take place,
Speaker 2: a much higher level and intensity than before bombing will
Speaker 2: take place. If the deal is reached, the blockade would
Speaker 2: allow the straight to reopen to all traffic, including to Iran.
Speaker 2: Pakistan President Shaba Sharif, who's been helping with the negotiations,
Speaker 2: has commended Trump for his courageous decisions. Say, we made
Speaker 2: a big step towards peace, and a lot of shipping
Speaker 2: industry people are actually surprised by how quickly this is
Speaker 2: coming together, which is all perhaps a positive. So other
Speaker 2: things that we're looking at is the specifics of the
Speaker 2: proposed moratorium. Iran proposed five, US proposed twenty. We're looking
Speaker 2: at twelve to fifteen years. I think fifteen is the
Speaker 2: real number. Iran can enrich only to levels of three
Speaker 2: point sixty seven percent during this moratorium, which is there
Speaker 2: at sixty percent enrichment, So this is well below weapons grade.
Speaker 2: If that's the number, they can never pursue nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2: That's their commitment, and I guess so I guess they
Speaker 2: can't pursue for fifteen years, but also never. This is
Speaker 2: my whole point is that once you get it past
Speaker 2: a certain timeline, it's just it's not realistic. We'll have
Speaker 2: to revisit it in a decade's time. No weaponization activities,
Speaker 2: no operation of underground nuclear facilities, enhance UN inspections. I
Speaker 2: hope the US is a big part of this, but
Speaker 2: we're part of the UN, so maybe we can do
Speaker 2: some good with it. And the removal of highly enriched uranium.
Speaker 2: This is also a very big thing that I had
Speaker 2: noted from the very start, and in fact, people were
Speaker 2: laughing at me on the BBC when I was saying
Speaker 2: this that we're just gonna have to go in and
Speaker 2: get the uranium. And so now it looks like that's
Speaker 2: exactly what's going to take place. So this is all
Speaker 2: highly positive, and it also lays out a predicate that
Speaker 2: if Trump feels like it's necessary to continue the bombing,
Speaker 2: then now he's got reason to do it. So a
Speaker 2: ron's got fort eight hours to react to this thing.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to make a reasonable counter offer or
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to sign this thing. These signs of thing,
Speaker 2: this could be a truly historic moment. But if it's
Speaker 2: a one page memo to be fairly easy to understand
Speaker 2: and recall, one of my beasts with what's going on
Speaker 2: right now is that I'm not seeing the salesmanship is
Speaker 2: not at the level that I would have liked from
Speaker 2: President Trump and his team, even though it's very tough
Speaker 2: to sell when all of the anti war maga media
Speaker 2: hates this thing, when everyone who hates Trump, all the
Speaker 2: never Trumpers hate this thing, when all of the Democrat
Speaker 2: left hates this war as well. It just does feel
Speaker 2: as though that this was a it was always gonna
Speaker 2: be a tough sell, but we did not do a
Speaker 2: great job on selling this from the start. But now
Speaker 2: we have a chance, if a piece is forged, to
Speaker 2: sell this as something that's truly historic. And I think
Speaker 2: that's great. Okay, I promised you I would give you
Speaker 2: some other nuance and detail that I think is a
Speaker 2: major factor here. And so here's some other things that
Speaker 2: we're tracking at Brightbart News that I think is noteworthy.
Speaker 2: One of the I think X factors in why we
Speaker 2: could get to a piece here is because of China.
Speaker 2: China is of course basically a benefactor, basically a RAN's benefactor,
Speaker 2: and doing business with China is how Iran stays in
Speaker 2: business largely, and Chinese and Iranian foreign ministers have met
Speaker 2: in Beijing, and the message out of China is crystal
Speaker 2: clear that they want this thing to end China's economy
Speaker 2: is in a terrible spot right now, and it has
Speaker 2: been for myriad reasons since the pandemic. This is part
Speaker 2: of why the obsessive of China talk that we've been
Speaker 2: putting forward to Breitbart for the past you know, six
Speaker 2: eight years is kind of waited a little bit. We're
Speaker 2: always talking about China, but they're just not ascending. They're
Speaker 2: not ascending right now, and so this is not helping them.
Speaker 2: So they want this thing to end. Whether or not
Speaker 2: they think America is the bad guy or Ron's the
Speaker 2: bad guy, are both, that's sort of irrelevant. Their economy
Speaker 2: can't handle this sort of disruption, and so Chinese state
Speaker 2: media is trying to make it seem like Iran and
Speaker 2: China are connecting over their hatred of America. But overall,
Speaker 2: if you really look between the lines here, they want
Speaker 2: this freedom of navigation and free trade through the Straight
Speaker 2: as soon as possible, and they feel like Iran has
Speaker 2: failed to come up with any sort of acceptable deal.
Speaker 2: So it's clear to me from my read in deep
Speaker 2: analysis that we do a bright part of China state
Speaker 2: media that read between the lines that they want this
Speaker 2: thing to wrap up very quickly and they want to
Speaker 2: do this, probably before Trump visits. Trump is heading to
Speaker 2: China very soon, and it's just a matter of days now,
Speaker 2: I think, and they want to be able to have
Speaker 2: a piece and be able to take some credit, which
Speaker 2: they might be able to do so I think really noteworthy.
Speaker 2: And a underlying thing here that could actually pressure Iran
Speaker 2: into a piece is the China of it all. As
Speaker 2: is so often the case, Pakistan saying we're close to
Speaker 2: a deal, and some people in the White House are
Speaker 2: also saying that I spoke to earlier, are saying we
Speaker 2: really are close to a deal. They don't want a
Speaker 2: bomb anymore. I don't know if that's true, if that's
Speaker 2: just what they're telling me, even though I'm friendly with
Speaker 2: these people. Maybe they're telling me that because I'm in media.
Speaker 2: But overall, there does seem like everyone does feel like
Speaker 2: this could be it, that they don't want a bomb anymore,
Speaker 2: and the bombs are just threat. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's true, and I don't know if maybe Trump
Speaker 2: has got his finger on the trigger right now. But
Speaker 2: everything that's being sold to me, both from the Pakistanis
Speaker 2: and from our own White House is that this really
Speaker 2: could be it. So we got high hopes that this
Speaker 2: is truly the beginning of the end. But everything I'm
Speaker 2: looking at is suggesting that no one wants to do
Speaker 2: any more bombing at this point, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the gas prizes need to get back to normal. Talk
Speaker 2: is worldwide at this point, So this is sort of
Speaker 2: I think, where we're at at this time. It is
Speaker 2: very hopeful news, by far, the most hopeful news that
Speaker 2: we've seen in a while. And President Trump, I think
Speaker 2: has got the right approach, which he's upbeat, but he's
Speaker 2: also saying that if you don't come to the table here,
Speaker 2: then this is it. This is you're going to get bombed,
Speaker 2: and we're going to do this again. So you agree
Speaker 2: or we're bombing. And that's where we're at, and for us,
Speaker 2: I think it is a very it's an optimistic moment,
Speaker 2: and it is a chance for Trump to clear a victory,
Speaker 2: and I think that this is one where he needs
Speaker 2: a victory politically, and I think it's also one where
Speaker 2: a lot of people who were not doomers here I
Speaker 2: think that they're going to be looking very good if
Speaker 2: this really is the end, And that includes me and
Speaker 2: a lot of my colleagues here at Salem, and my
Speaker 2: colleagues are bright part as well. Let's play cut twenty one.
Speaker 2: This was Trump in the Oval office. This was so
Speaker 2: unbelievable that he said this, you're gonna be if you
Speaker 2: miss the visuals, you're not gonna get this because he's
Speaker 2: surrounded by children. But play cut twenty one, guys, and.
Speaker 3: Now we're going to take a hit because we have
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Speaker 3: the nuclear weapon. They would have had a nuclear weapon
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Speaker 4: It was obliterated.
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Speaker 2: date in front of me. I'll say a lot of
Speaker 2: negative stuff in one positive thing. It's not classy to
Speaker 2: speak ill to dead, but I will know that he
Speaker 2: was a far left radical. He called Israeli's terrorist. He
Speaker 2: bought all the climate change nonsense, and then some loved abortions,
Speaker 2: didn't seem to like Christians, made mock Christians. And he
Speaker 2: won to curb population growth, which is the main thing
Speaker 2: that where I really feel like, that's where I feel
Speaker 2: like it's okay to not just lavish praise on a guy,
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Speaker 2: very lightly. It's not a very long plot from there
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Speaker 2: guy you would not want to be president, even though
Speaker 2: he considered being president, and he ran cable news outlets.
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Speaker 2: always resonates with us when people go out and do
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Speaker 2: and so I'll give him credit for that, though almost
Speaker 2: never got one right politically, and cnn is legacy is
Speaker 2: absolutely horrific. But still God rest his soul.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Next thing that I wanted to bring up yesterday was
Speaker 2: a governatorial debate in California, and it's really interesting to
Speaker 2: track some of this stuff, not because this applies to
Speaker 2: my entire audience, because some of you have given up
Speaker 2: on Calorgnian is a lost cause. We have a couple
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Speaker 2: there as well, but I think some of the texture
Speaker 2: of the race is really kind of what's unbelievable to people,
Speaker 2: because these we've got some of the nuttiest figures on
Speaker 2: the planet who think they should be the governor of California.
Speaker 2: Let's play cut eighteen.
Speaker 4: Please.
Speaker 2: This is Katie Porter, former congresswoman. This is just pretty wild,
Speaker 2: play this one.
Speaker 5: Congresswoman Porter, your thoughts on the idea of funding healthcare
Speaker 5: for undocumented immigrants statewide?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and that's, by the way, what I think
Speaker 6: Californians deserve.
Speaker 2: So she wants to continue to fund illegal aliens, which
Speaker 2: is just a green light for every person to come
Speaker 2: here and get state of the art medical care in
Speaker 2: the United States. And I say this from port of authority, missus.
Speaker 2: Doctor Marlowe treated lots of undocumented immigrants during her training
Speaker 2: out here in California and treating illegal aliens and giving
Speaker 2: them really high quality care. She was in the UCLA
Speaker 2: treating these people. And because we treat people decently and humanly,
Speaker 2: it's just a total green light for everyone just to
Speaker 2: just flood into our country and into our state which
Speaker 2: is completely bankrupt as running a record now level deficit,
Speaker 2: even though we had a surplus when Gavin Newsom took over,
Speaker 2: and her policy is just to make things more expensive
Speaker 2: for the taxpayers because the legal aliens are not paying
Speaker 2: for this stuff. So this just means we don't have
Speaker 2: a budget for this because we're over budget anyway, and
Speaker 2: we have the highest tax rate in the nation by mile.
Speaker 2: So there's no other solution to this other than she's
Speaker 2: going to raise taxes. But this is the whole thing,
Speaker 2: is that they care more about illegal aliens than they
Speaker 2: care about citizens. Let's see what Tom Steyer, who is
Speaker 2: another Democrat candidate who could win and cut nineteen please,
Speaker 2: let's see how he answers the same question.
Speaker 5: Governor Gavin Newsom cut healthcare funding for undocumented immigrants to
Speaker 5: address a budget gap as governor, would you restore that funding?
Speaker 3: I believe everybody in California has a right to healthcare.
Speaker 2: Everyone has a right, meaning that if you just show
Speaker 2: up here, you have a right to get state of
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Speaker 2: And this is the thing I want to track, and
Speaker 2: I'll come back to this later on in the show.
Speaker 2: But the solution that the left has, the Democrats have
Speaker 2: for every single one of their problems at this point
Speaker 2: in time, is more of the stuff that has not worked.
Speaker 2: Part of the reason why the state is struggling so
Speaker 2: much is that we left the border open and we
Speaker 2: promised all the people who got here all of this
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Speaker 7: As a member of Congress, Loper Bright says that we
Speaker 7: as an agency don't have the authority to get creative
Speaker 7: if Section two two of the Clean Era no, no,
Speaker 7: but you.
Speaker 6: Don't have excuse me, You do not have the right
Speaker 6: to say climate change does not exist, that it's a hoax,
Speaker 6: and that's where this administration.
Speaker 4: You're upset that you don't know what Loper Bright is.
Speaker 4: Do you know what the major policies doctrine?
Speaker 7: Except I'm upset because you know what the major policies
Speaker 7: doctrine is.
Speaker 4: No, you're a member of Congress. You should know.
Speaker 6: That's act.
Speaker 8: I love that STUFFA administrator Lee's Alvin is with me,
Speaker 8: rois and enjoy when he's on the show. And I
Speaker 8: love the exchange with Congressman Rosa de Lario, who is
Speaker 8: a just a walking caricature of the worst literal blue
Speaker 8: haired congressman that you could picture.
Speaker 2: And Administrator you and a busy week on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 2: I want to get to all that some of these
Speaker 2: exchanges that you had a couple of interesting ones that
Speaker 2: are worth highlighting. But you did something that I think
Speaker 2: is I had to do the squinty thing with my
Speaker 2: eyes from old timy cartoons where I rubbed my eyes
Speaker 2: and stare into the screen. When I saw that you're
Speaker 2: proposing a roughly fifty percent budget cut for the EPA,
Speaker 2: which I find unbelievable. No one cuts their own budget
Speaker 2: in Washington. I got a grin on my face because honestly,
Speaker 2: you're probably the first person ever do this, and I
Speaker 2: just find this to be sensational. Just as a lead in.
Speaker 2: Right before I brought you on, I was playing clips
Speaker 2: in California the governatorial debate yesterday, and they want more
Speaker 2: money for illegal alien healthcare, like the state's going bankrupt already,
Speaker 2: and that's their solution. It's just why do you think
Speaker 2: you can pull this off? And also talk about the
Speaker 2: culture of spending in Washington and how you're fighting against that.
Speaker 7: Well, first, it's the principle that there needs to be
Speaker 7: a zero tolerance policy for any waste and abuse.
Speaker 4: It's also the principle of being able to.
Speaker 7: Do more with less, and we proved over the course
Speaker 7: of our first fifteen months here that we can achieve
Speaker 7: extraordinary savings here at the agency. So this is an
Speaker 7: agency where annual operating budget when I was coming in
Speaker 7: was about ten billion dollars a year, and over the
Speaker 7: first year that I was in this position, we saved
Speaker 7: thirty billion dollars. Then people say, well, how is that possible.
Speaker 7: We got ten billion for the year, how did you
Speaker 7: save thirty billion? Well, in twenty twenty four, this agency
Speaker 7: obligated and spent over sixty billion dollars, and we were
Speaker 7: able to cancel grants and contracts. We did real estate consolidation,
Speaker 7: staff efficiencies with an agency wide reorganization. We closed an
Speaker 7: EPA museum that nobody knew about or almost no one
Speaker 7: even visited there. There have been so many opportunities to
Speaker 7: pursue savings, and when you look at those canceled grants,
Speaker 7: we were finding examples. Like I had to exchange with
Speaker 7: Senator Sanders last week at the Senate EPW Committee where
Speaker 7: he was talking about solar for All.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Senator, we found it.
Speaker 7: We had examples where the grant was going through up
Speaker 7: to four different pass throughs, where each pass through entity
Speaker 7: was getting at least fifteen percent to administer their part
Speaker 7: of the pass through. I mean a lot of this
Speaker 7: is just inexcusable. The money that gets appropriated in the
Speaker 7: name of environmental justice to remediate environmental issue, but then
Speaker 7: the dollar goes to an activist group to train other
Speaker 7: activist groups to come to DC and advocate for the
Speaker 7: next dollar to go to them to go out and
Speaker 7: be activists.
Speaker 4: Like wait, I.
Speaker 7: Thought we were spending this dollar to remediate an environmental issue.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's about doing more with less, and we
Speaker 7: have found extraordinary ways to save the taxpayers tens of
Speaker 7: billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: It's interesting how a lot of these people who feel
Speaker 2: like they really are the champions of climate causes, that
Speaker 2: they're comfortable with so much of this money getting absorbed
Speaker 2: in bureaucracy. They don't actually want it to go to
Speaker 2: the sourced anything. If they were walking the walk, they
Speaker 2: would want it to be more efficient, but they don't.
Speaker 2: They like the grift of it all. And that's why
Speaker 2: I'm curious. Do you feel like you have a good
Speaker 2: sense of how to audit where the waste is actually
Speaker 2: taking place? And I'll tell you, I don't think we're
Speaker 2: going to notice the five billion gone as a people
Speaker 2: from the budget.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is something that was an effort that started
Speaker 7: before I even came into office. I'm sure you remember
Speaker 7: the video from December of twenty four buy it. An
Speaker 7: EPA official caught on video talking about how they were
Speaker 7: tossing gold bars off the Titanic, rushing to get billions
Speaker 7: of dollars out the door before President Trump came to office.
Speaker 7: I mean, that was obviously a big siren that was
Speaker 7: going off for us.
Speaker 4: So when we came in.
Speaker 7: This was a top priority out of the gate, and
Speaker 7: that is one of the reasons why, if not the
Speaker 7: largest reason why, so much of this money was canceled
Speaker 7: within the first few months of us being in this position,
Speaker 7: and we found entities that were stood up for the
Speaker 7: purpose of receiving billions of dollars as a pass through,
Speaker 7: where the leadership structure of that entity that was brand
Speaker 7: new consisted of former Biden and Obama administration officials and
Speaker 7: Democratic donors, and we.
Speaker 4: Just put an end to it.
Speaker 7: And by the way, I don't sit here and say
Speaker 7: let's take money from a left wing ngo and give
Speaker 7: it to a right wing ngo. This is about giving
Speaker 7: the money to the treasury, giving the money back to
Speaker 7: the taxpayer, and just being a precious steward, a steward
Speaker 7: of these precious text dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Let me go back to exchange with Rosa Delario.
Speaker 2: Can you give us more insight into what was going
Speaker 2: on in that exchange?
Speaker 7: She's asking why we were rescinding the two thousand and
Speaker 7: nine Endangerment finding and all of the greenhouse gas emission
Speaker 7: standards that followed a light, medium, and heavy duty vehicles.
Speaker 7: This is a decision that I finalized with President Trump,
Speaker 7: announced with him at the White House, the largest active
Speaker 7: deregulation in the history of the United States's asking me,
Speaker 7: why did we do that? Well, the answer simple, we're
Speaker 7: following the law. We looked at Section two h two
Speaker 7: of the Clean Air Act and it doesn't say anything
Speaker 7: about fighting global climate change.
Speaker 4: And now she is the former chair the House.
Speaker 7: Appropriations Committee, she wants to be the next chair of
Speaker 7: the House Appropriations Committee, and she's asking me why we
Speaker 7: rescinded this decision and all these standards that followed, and
Speaker 7: why aren't we fighting global climate change? Well, my messages
Speaker 7: amend the law. And it turns out she didn't even
Speaker 7: read the law that she was questioning me about. And
Speaker 7: then I'm citing the Supreme Court cases that required me
Speaker 7: to apply the best reading of the law. Lopra Bright
Speaker 7: overturns something that you're familiar with called Chevron Chevron deference,
Speaker 7: the Chevron doctrine where in the past, an agency head
Speaker 7: would be able to look at a law and say, well,
Speaker 7: this law doesn't say that I can't. So therefore, with
Speaker 7: the power invested in me, therefore I can't well, that
Speaker 7: can't happen anymore. And you and I also cited the
Speaker 7: major questions doctrine West Virginia versus EPA, where if the
Speaker 7: agency is going to impose trillions of dollars of regulation,
Speaker 7: maybe Congress, instead of punting, should have a debate and
Speaker 7: a vote. Rather than lacking the will and the courage
Speaker 7: to actually amend federal statute, they call their friends down
Speaker 7: the street running a federal agency and say, hey, we'll
Speaker 7: just do this anyway, even though it's not in statute.
Speaker 7: So citing the law, citing Supreme Court decisions, landmark recent
Speaker 7: Supreme Court decisions, and it turns out that while she
Speaker 7: was asking me about why we made this decision, she
Speaker 7: was not familiar with any of it.
Speaker 2: Amazing, all right, so I want to You've also had
Speaker 2: some pretty entertaining and dramatic exchanges with Sheldon Whitehouse, and
Speaker 2: you had a pretty good roast of him saying that
Speaker 2: you're not taking morality lessons from people joining all white
Speaker 2: country clubs. This has been building up for a little bit.
Speaker 2: What's the beef with him?
Speaker 7: Well, listen on the policy he was talking. He was
Speaker 7: citing a dollar an amount for offshore wind and claiming
Speaker 7: that offshore wind is the cheapest form of energy that's
Speaker 7: out there, and he's not factoring in the firming cost,
Speaker 7: the all in cost, because wind doesn't always blow, you
Speaker 7: have to spend a lot of money to store it.
Speaker 7: So he's putting out a figure and saying, look, here's
Speaker 7: this number. This number is less than these other numbers.
Speaker 7: So I guess that means that wind is the cheapest
Speaker 7: form of energy, and the reality is is that it's not.
Speaker 4: It's just not.
Speaker 7: I mean, the gas combined cycle, even before you look
Speaker 7: at all in costs, is cheaper. But then when you
Speaker 7: factor in all of the other costs of wind, you
Speaker 7: then have a number of other forms of energy that
Speaker 7: come in at lower cost, and by the way, the cheapest.
Speaker 4: Some of the cheapest forms of energy.
Speaker 7: That are out there are the reliable, durable baseload power
Speaker 7: sources that are already online that they want to shut down.
Speaker 7: So you want to start talking economics and costs, how
Speaker 7: do you think shutting down all of these coal plants
Speaker 7: in West Virginia and Wyoming and North Dakota and elsewhere
Speaker 7: that in many states where it's the primary source of power,
Speaker 7: shutting down all of these plants putting people out of
Speaker 7: work not having access to this energy. How can you
Speaker 7: make the argument that this is good for their economy
Speaker 7: and you can't. So that's where the back and forth started,
Speaker 7: and he wanted to make the point, and his only
Speaker 7: question for me on the math was asking me, is
Speaker 7: nine less than eighteen? You're trying to be cute like, yeah,
Speaker 7: of course nine is less than eighteen, But really, that
Speaker 7: is the extent of a substantive debate that you want
Speaker 7: to have while you have the head of the EPA
Speaker 7: here to be able to push back. He didn't want
Speaker 7: to give me an opportunity to get in the space
Speaker 7: pacifix because he knew that what he was putting out
Speaker 7: was based on lies.
Speaker 2: One other thing that you're on with, Secretary Kennedy, is
Speaker 2: working on making water safer from microplastics and chemicals. This
Speaker 2: is pretty noble. It's trying ney to talk about microplastics.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you, I'm married to a physician. She said.
Speaker 2: This is one of the things that she treats cancer
Speaker 2: patients and she's very concerned about microplastics. So this is
Speaker 2: a worthwhile endeavor. What are you guys doing, Yeah.
Speaker 7: We recently announced here at EPA with Secretary Kennedy, that
Speaker 7: EPA was adding microplastics to its contaminant candidate list. Now,
Speaker 7: we also added pharmaceuticals and pfat and seventy five chemicals,
Speaker 7: but microplastics specifically were being added to this list for
Speaker 7: the first time ever. At the same time, HHS was
Speaker 7: announcing a large investment of funding with regards to microplastics research.
Speaker 7: And this is just an unprecedented announcement, unprecedented new effort.
Speaker 7: Secretary of Kennedy, as your audience is all familiar with,
Speaker 7: Lee is leading this Make America Healthy Again Commission, bringing
Speaker 7: together members of the Cabinet and others, and this is
Speaker 7: part of that cause of advancing that MAHA movement. Was
Speaker 7: here at EPA for the first time ever adding microplastics
Speaker 7: as a contaminant on that contaminant candidate list, and we're
Speaker 7: happy to do it.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I wish I got to
Speaker 2: spend more time on on the show is January twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six is sewer pipe the Potomac interceptor collapse. Was
Speaker 2: anyone we could get to the bottom of this thing.
Speaker 2: Two hundred and forty of three hundred million, Guylands of wastewater.
Speaker 2: We're talking literal poop just flooding into our Potomac, which
Speaker 2: is already kind of gross. Anyway, did we ever get
Speaker 2: to the bottom of this and does anyone hell do account.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Well, actually, the Trump administration filed a lawsuit here.
Speaker 4: In recent weeks against DC Water.
Speaker 7: On top of the first priority was making sure that
Speaker 7: we were able to do our part to get it
Speaker 7: stopped the flow and the Potomac, to get the repair completed,
Speaker 7: to do the environmental remediation. The moment that the DC
Speaker 7: mayor made pick up the phone, called the White House
Speaker 7: and asked the President for help. The President immediately signed
Speaker 7: an emergency declaration. He pointed EPA as the lead federal
Speaker 7: agency and the response and we got to work completed
Speaker 7: by mid March the repair the Potomac Interceptor and then
Speaker 7: moved on to the environmental remediation to make sure that
Speaker 7: everything was done in time for the America two fifty festivities.
Speaker 7: But yeah, as far as that oversight and accountability, in
Speaker 7: recent weeks, we followed a suit against DC Water on
Speaker 7: that front.
Speaker 2: Epadministrator Liz Eldon, I only got twenty seconds left, But
Speaker 2: do you have anything else? Well, I guess I'm probably
Speaker 2: I'm setting us up to fail here, so I'm just
Speaker 2: going to thank you for your time. Fantastic stuff is always.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for communicating with us at Bright
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Speaker 2: Greg Evans, our executive producer, Sean McConnell runs the board,
Speaker 2: Roger Wicker, Junior, Rick lock here at Schlie, Matt Zibbil
Speaker 2: Brandon Couples, Mister Callahan, John Cassio, as well as Daniel West.
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Speaker 2: Bright Part podcast feed, the Marlowe podcast feed, in particular,
Speaker 2: wherever you get your pods starting to add the video
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Speaker 2: and I think Apple's coming up soon with that. The
Speaker 2: United States Counter Terrorism Strategy is out and it is
Speaker 2: the baby of our good friend doctor Spash and Gorka,
Speaker 2: my first national security editor Bright bart News and my
Speaker 2: former we were colleagues at Salem, but I would do
Speaker 2: his show a lot when he was here on the
Speaker 2: air and this is out, it's fresh. We were doing
Speaker 2: a deep dive with him that I'm recording right after this.
Speaker 2: I'm also doing just to show my range. We're doing
Speaker 2: a big met Gala episode with John Binder, who is
Speaker 2: our fashion notes correspondent at Brighte Bart News. We'll be
Speaker 2: roasting all the celebrity outfits. It's gonna be fun. That's
Speaker 2: gonna be fun. That's coming out as well over the weekend,
Speaker 2: so a stay tuned for that, plus a lot of
Speaker 2: other stuff. Frank Gafney's on Who's another National Security episode?
Speaker 2: An expert, So a lot to do there, all right.
Speaker 2: A couple other news items that I do think that
Speaker 2: we need to get to while we've got the time.
Speaker 2: One of them is the Haunt of virus, so this
Speaker 2: is the Spanish ship. The World Health Organization has confirmed
Speaker 2: that there's a rare type of virus that's typically seen
Speaker 2: in rats that can go from human to human and
Speaker 2: not different from one that you get from rat waste,
Speaker 2: but it is something that is most commonly associated with
Speaker 2: a virus you get from rat waste. And just like
Speaker 2: a lot of cruises, it is not a safe environment
Speaker 2: sometimes and it becomes a petri dish incubates a lot
Speaker 2: of these viruses. So this is a massive political controversy
Speaker 2: because which country is going to receive this ship which
Speaker 2: has a bunch of people who are very, very sick
Speaker 2: on it. Of course, no one wants a pandemic to
Speaker 2: break out. I don't think that's what we're going for now,
Speaker 2: but no one wants the ship. And the plan right
Speaker 2: now is where do you evacuate these people by helicopter?
Speaker 2: But then where do they go? Some are in critical
Speaker 2: condition and a lot of hospitals and research university treatment
Speaker 2: is just way far behind on this. Pedro Sanchez in
Speaker 2: Spain wants to dock it in the Canary Islands, but
Speaker 2: nobody the Canary Islands wants the hunt of virus there,
Speaker 2: so they don't want this to happen. So he's very
Speaker 2: unpopular in Spain anyway. So this is a huge political
Speaker 2: mess as well, but is something that we probably aren't
Speaker 2: worried about in terms of pandemics spreading the United States.
Speaker 2: But you never know, because I'll tell you I track
Speaker 2: these diseases at bright part those of you followed me, No,
Speaker 2: we are one the top disease and virus outlets period.
Speaker 2: I've always had a soft spot for these types of stories,
Speaker 2: and it was definitely a call shop. When the pandemic
Speaker 2: broke out, We're call it Brightbart. We're reporting on a
Speaker 2: mystery pneumonia in China. The solid month before we knew
Speaker 2: what the coronavirus was, and we'd ever heard of names
Speaker 2: like doctor Burk's and doctor Fauci and all that stuff,
Speaker 2: so we were ahead by several weeks on that, and
Speaker 2: it became the biggest virus of the last century. So
Speaker 2: this is interesting because the potential for something really bad
Speaker 2: when the ship docks is huge, and it's going to
Speaker 2: have the dock at some point, so the story's only
Speaker 2: going to get bigger. And we got some coverage for
Speaker 2: you as well. All Right. ADP job numbers, which is
Speaker 2: the biggest private payroll processor, were pretty good, not quite.
Speaker 2: Expectations of explications were super high. And what was noteworthy
Speaker 2: here is that pay for young people twenty four to
Speaker 2: thirty four is very high. It's higher than expected and
Speaker 2: going up. And this is for the group of people
Speaker 2: who've been told their whole lives that climate change is
Speaker 2: going to kill them. We're now living in a fascist
Speaker 2: country and AI is going to take their job. So
Speaker 2: if they can stay alive from climate change, they're going
Speaker 2: to be living in a fascist country. The robots are
Speaker 2: gunning for their jobs. They're actually seeing pretty good employment
Speaker 2: in very high wages relative to what would have been expected.
Speaker 2: And yet still the vibes are going to be a
Speaker 2: total bummer. And some of this is messaging, and we
Speaker 2: got to get the word out the things in this
Speaker 2: country are just not that bad. But as the saying
Speaker 2: goes in the news, if it bleeds, it leads, and
Speaker 2: so we talk so much about the negative stuff, and
Speaker 2: there is some positive stuff going on. So in that spirit,
Speaker 2: let me talk about some more negative stuff, the crazy
Speaker 2: stuff that's going on out in California. I was playing
Speaker 2: earlier some clips from the California gubernatorial debate and how
Speaker 2: they Democrats still want the illegal aliens to get healthcare
Speaker 2: paid for by the taxpayers, even though they have no
Speaker 2: money left. This was a fun moment. Let's play cut
Speaker 2: A sixteen with Katie Porter.
Speaker 6: I can't believe that on a stage with thirty minutes
Speaker 6: of interrupting and bickering and name calling and shouting and
Speaker 6: disrespect for everyone up here who's stepping into public service
Speaker 6: that anyone wants to talk about my temperament.
Speaker 2: You were actually interrupting them too. I don't know why
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 5: To act like you weren't.
Speaker 7: Oh cowboy, Steve and I sat here smiling at each
Speaker 7: other because we're just watching you all prove to everyone
Speaker 7: why they can't vote for a Democrat.
Speaker 2: That's Chad Bianco Riverside Sheriff. And this is talking about
Speaker 2: the nastiest woman all of American politics. You recall her
Speaker 2: yelling at staffers to get out of my effing shot.
Speaker 2: We played that video that she's someone who melted down
Speaker 2: a reporter walking out of interviews. She allegedly dumped a
Speaker 2: boiling hot dish of hot mashed potatoes, burning her ex husband.
Speaker 2: She's a nasty woman. What else can I say? Go
Speaker 2: in peace to love, to serve the love, and serve
Speaker 2: the Lord, ladies and gentlemen,