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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seegers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will consider this very timely question,

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Speaker 1: who gets to define this next generation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is gen Z being shaped by culture, by media politics

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Speaker 1: and the constant noise of public opinion? Or is something

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Speaker 1: deeper happening beneath the surface, something quieter, more grounded, and

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Speaker 1: more eternal. Today we're talking with a graduating high school

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Speaker 1: senior named Kris Shoemaker, who will be sharing a remarkable

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Speaker 1: original poem that has captured the voice of those in

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Speaker 1: this generation who are pursuing Christ at all costs. Chris

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Speaker 1: gives us such a rare glimpse into house. Some of

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Speaker 1: her peers are wrestling with identity, with truth, and with

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Speaker 1: calling and what it looks like to reject the world's

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Speaker 1: labels in order to anchor life and the unchanging voice

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Speaker 1: of God. That's the ground we will cover in this

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Speaker 1: episode of Christian Parent Crazy World. When I first met

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Speaker 1: today's guest, I knew there was something very different about her.

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Speaker 1: Chris Shoemaker possesses a rare combination of intellectual curiosity, spiritual depth, creativity,

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Speaker 1: and conviction. She loves words, she loves truth, she loves beauty,

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Speaker 1: and she has a remarkable ability to communicate all three.

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Speaker 1: A few years ago, I had the incredible privilege of

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Speaker 1: directing Kis in Helena's famous monologue from a Midias Summer

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Speaker 1: Night's Dream, and she went on to win first place

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Speaker 1: at the Trumpauer State Acting Competition. But as impressive as

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Speaker 1: her acting talent is, that is not what impressed me

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Speaker 1: the most. After spending time with Karris, I realized I

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Speaker 1: wasn't simply speaking with a gifted teenager. No, I was

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Speaker 1: speaking with an old soul, a young woman with a

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Speaker 1: deep love for Christ, his word, and the questions that matter.

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Speaker 1: Most Recently, at our high school graduation, Karris performed an

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Speaker 1: original poem that left a packed auditorium of over seven

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Speaker 2: Hanging on every.

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Speaker 1: Word, And as I listened, I realized she wasn't simply

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Speaker 1: speaking for herself. She was giving a voice to a

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Speaker 1: growing number of young people who refuse to let culture

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Speaker 1: define them and are determined to follow Christ at all costs.

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Speaker 1: So today, for the first time ever, on Christian Parent

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Speaker 1: Crazy world. We are handing the microphone to gen Z.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited for you to meet Caris Shoemaker.

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Speaker 1: She is a gifted actress, a poet, a thinker, and

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Speaker 1: a follower of Christ. And I think you're going to

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Speaker 1: leave this conversation so encouraged and challenged and perhaps a

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Speaker 1: So with that said, let's jump right in. Caris, welcome

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Speaker 1: to Christian Parent Crazy World. It's so awesome to have

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Speaker 1: you here. It's so good to be here.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: You are my very, very first representative from gen Z

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Speaker 1: on the show. I'm just thrilled and honor to have

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Speaker 1: you here. And let me just tell you, I know

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Speaker 1: I've thought about doing this before, but you're the first

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Speaker 1: one to do it. I thought about having one of

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Speaker 1: my own kids on the show, and maybe I will

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Speaker 1: do that at some point. But you shared a poem

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Speaker 1: recently at our kids graduation, my son's graduation. You're in

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Speaker 1: it blew me away. And before we get to your poem,

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Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to our audience. So why

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Speaker 1: don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. Who

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Speaker 1: is Kara's shoemaker and what should our listeners know about you?

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Speaker 2: Karraa's shoemaker is a girl who loves Jesus first and foremost. Secondarily,

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Speaker 2: she loves her family. And I love to write poetry.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of something that God gave me when I

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Speaker 3: Put those on the page. Yeah, tell us.

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Speaker 1: A little bit about your family and your upbringing, Like

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Speaker 1: what were some of the biggest influences that shaped the

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Speaker 2: Probably my biggest influence has been my mom. So my

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Speaker 2: home life was hard growing up, and not in a

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Speaker 2: Really hard to do to strenuous circumstances. So my grandmother,

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Speaker 3: My dad had to move in with her.

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Speaker 2: He moved to Tuscaloosa, which is an hour and a

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Speaker 2: two hours before she actually needed to be up, and

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Speaker 2: she was going to have her time with Jesus.

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Speaker 3: At the table.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a Bible and a big box

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Speaker 2: of scripture, memory, and coffee, lots and lots of coffee,

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Speaker 2: and she was going to read her Bible, and she

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Speaker 2: going to memorize scripture and she was going to quote

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Speaker 3: And then she was going to go love on me.

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Speaker 2: So my mom is probably my biggest influence in like

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Speaker 2: who I want to be, and just a beautiful person

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Speaker 2: that God put in my life. And I'm so blessed

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Speaker 2: that to have gone through some of the crazy things

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I do know, Yeah, I hadn't realized all

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Speaker 1: of that history, but I do know that we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about. Your father has since had some very

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Speaker 1: big health challenges himself, which now he's back home now,

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Speaker 1: but that has also been a huge challenge in your

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Speaker 1: isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Yes, very very very much.

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Speaker 3: So it's weird. My dad has always had health issues.

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Speaker 2: It's weird to be eight years old and you know,

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Speaker 2: wonder if your dad is going to come home from

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Speaker 2: the hospital, like with his spinal cord injury. Like, it's

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Speaker 2: worrying about when you want to get married because you

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Speaker 2: want your dad to walk you down the aisle. Like

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Speaker 2: that's weird. That's that's like a weird that's a weird

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Speaker 2: earthly father, my heavenly Father is entirely sufficient. And my

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Speaker 2: earthly father has been a picture of my heavenly Father

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Speaker 2: and as much as a human man can ever be.

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Speaker 2: And I will cherish that for however long I have it,

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Speaker 2: and I will love it so big that when I

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna have my heavenly Father. I'm gonna have

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Speaker 2: the memories and the pictures that my dad gave me

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. And he was able to walk you.

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Speaker 1: We have we're at the same homeschool co op, and

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Speaker 1: it was really beautiful to see your father there, both

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Speaker 1: at graduation and at prom able to walk you out.

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Speaker 1: You guys are right in front of us, I think,

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Speaker 1: and it was a beautiful thing to see your father.

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Speaker 1: He had certainly mobility issues. You said that he's now

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Speaker 1: a wheelchair and is able to get out more. But Auluja, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think I think my listeners can hear what a

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Speaker 1: remarkable young person you are. You are wise me on yours,

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to tell them we met, Uh, what

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Speaker 1: was it two three years ago? I guess you were

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Speaker 1: in my comedy and prop class, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that would have been the first time we met.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, right, and you struck me as a young

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Speaker 1: person with great passion, great, great passion. And then I

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Speaker 1: really began to understand the depth and breadth of your

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Speaker 1: brilliance and talent. The following year, I think. So we

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Speaker 1: are acting teacher professor at our homeschool co op. She

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Speaker 1: is brilliant Christian Campbell. She is like she is like

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Speaker 1: just assisting in her class for a little while. Of course,

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Speaker 1: my backgrounds in theater as well. I have an MA

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Speaker 1: in theater. And we were preparing for the state acting

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Speaker 1: competition here in Alabama. It's called Trumpauer. And you were

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Speaker 2: Do a comedy piece and you handed me a shakespeare

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Speaker 2: piece and I said absolutely not, and you said you tried.

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Speaker 2: something about a Possum'm like you handed me? Uh like

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Speaker 2: it was it was a book.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, that was my monologues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my my I actually had one of

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Speaker 1: my monologues published, and an acting book of a comedic

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Speaker 1: monologue is actually very funny. You're right, Okay, I'm starting

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Speaker 1: to remember how this really went down. Sorry, some of

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Speaker 2: So yes, and I said, I'm not doing Shakespeare, so

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Speaker 2: it was hearter Shakespeare.

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Speaker 3: You said you're gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: Did I forced this on you? Well sort of? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, in retrospect, if I know that you

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Speaker 1: have gone the other route with you, because I knew

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Speaker 1: by the time we worked up the piece that we did.

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Speaker 1: It was Helena from Midsummer Night's Dream. It was the

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Speaker 1: double Cherry monologue that I've always loved, which my acting professor,

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Speaker 1: of Shakespeare. And I did the Helena monologue from Midsummer.

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Speaker 1: It's all about a double cherry seeming parted but a

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Speaker 1: I could go on. So I did that piece for

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Speaker 1: my acting final and he looks at me and he says,

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Speaker 1: I usually cut that monologue. And I was like dagger

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Speaker 1: me and he said, you should play that role. I

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Speaker 1: was like, yes, I nailed that. My problem is Helena

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Speaker 1: find somebody pretty short to play Hermie. And I actually

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Speaker 1: did get cast in the role once. It was like

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Speaker 1: to play it. One of these days, though, it is

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Speaker 2: They say. They say my generation is prey. They say

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Speaker 2: Like there's so many different things and just they are

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Speaker 2: don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 1: I'm so far beyond you because I'm general Anyways, skimmylet

438
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Speaker 1: what is skimmity toilet?

439
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Speaker 2: I don't don't ask me, don't ask me, Okay, let's.

440
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: Just we're gonna skip this. Is it skippity toilet? We're

441
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Speaker 1: gonna skip that, all right? So I appreciate that. And

442
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: I think whether you're gen X, whether you're millennial, whether

443
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: you're you know, a baby boomer, everybody is saying something

444
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: about your generation, and they're, like you said, they're opposing

445
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: voices and they're saying opposite things, and they all can't

446
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: be true. So what do we listen to where do

447
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: we find that identity? And identity is the thing that

448
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: is really at the heart of what your generation is

449
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: trying to determine If you am I? Who am I?

450
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Speaker 1: And one of the things I found really fascinating about

451
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Speaker 1: your your poem about they say, is that you never

452
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Speaker 1: really you don't defend gen Z about all of from

453
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: all of these really accusations about your generation. You don't

454
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: defend it. Instead, you challenge the idea that anyone should

455
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: be defined by generational stereotypes at all, which we challenge

456
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Speaker 1: the prevailing assumption, which, like I said, I think every

457
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: generation should do that. We should challenge the prevailing assumptions.

458
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: And so let's talk about this. What are some of

459
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: the loudest messages your generation hears every day about who

460
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: they are supposed to be, the ones that you covered

461
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Speaker 1: in your poem.

462
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: So I think there are Again I kind of define

463
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 2: this as mainly two super sizes from where I'm at.

464
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: So I'm a I'm from a Christian homeschool family, but

465
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: I still hear two different ideas. And I would say

466
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: most of the people that I talk to my generation,

467
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: there are these two factions that are both yelling at them,

468
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: and it's mostly about secular and church. You're going to

469
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: get a lot of different ideas from secular in church,

470
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 2: and the generational divide comes in within that and like

471
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: generations look down on us, but it's it's secular in

472
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: church and both of them are going to yell at you.

473
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: And that's that's one thing that.

474
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: We preach at you, right, That's.

475
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Speaker 2: One thing that we have really that I tried to

476
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: cover in the first line. I mean, they say my

477
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 2: generation is pray. They say my generation needs to preak, okay,

478
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: as my generation needs to pray. Obviously, everybody should pray.

479
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: We love we need to love the Lord, like.

480
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: Obviously, but there's a certain contempt that it's said with

481
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 2: sometimes if like yeah, well, we need to pray for y'all,

482
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: like y'all need to pray, like I know, and there's

483
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: like a certain contempt and it's it's almost like religion

484
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: becomes weaponized, and it's it's really strange to me. It's

485
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: like that's that's that's a weird way to go about that.

486
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Speaker 1: But okay, like.

487
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 3: That's that's a really interesting thing to say.

488
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: Sure. But then there's also this secular idea that says,

489
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: like my generation is is prey p r e y pray.

490
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 2: And so you see a lot with the online world,

491
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: a lot of just like craziness, and if you start

492
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: to show conservative ideals or Christian ideals, they're gonna say

493
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: you've been brainwashed, and like this secular side is going

494
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: to go, well, they're just praying on you and like that,

495
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: like like the old church people got you, like that's

496
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 2: you know whatever, and it's it's like they're these just

497
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Speaker 2: opposing ideas. And so I think that's one really big

498
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: thing is like it's really hard to find interfooting either

499
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: with the church or in the secular world because if

500
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: you don't fit quite with that, well, I'm going to

501
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: demonize this generation or I'm going to demonize the church.

502
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: You don't fit and there's this weird there's this weird

503
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: just like gap.

504
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Speaker 3: So I think that's one.

505
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Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. I want to pause there because

506
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Speaker 1: there's so much depth in that first line, like right there,

507
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Speaker 1: like what you just said, and that the fact that

508
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: you realize that praise God at eighteen and I hope

509
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Speaker 1: all of the generation coming up, all of those between

510
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Speaker 1: seventeen and twenty three that you referred to in the

511
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: poem can realize that because the church will try to

512
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: define you, and we should never ever forget, by the way,

513
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: that it was the religious people that killed Jesus right right,

514
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: So there is all there are always going to be

515
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: voices within the church that are actually speaking death over you,

516
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: even within the church and obviously in our culture, and

517
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: just look at it historically and look at the Bible.

518
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: Was the Pharisees that went to the Romans and ready

519
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: to get permission to crucify Jesus. And so we've got

520
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: to recognize that those power structures and those hierarchies exist

521
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: into church and they're going to speak things over you

522
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: that you're going to need to reject because we need

523
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: to listen to that still small voice, that one small voice.

524
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: And then of course, our culture, like you said, has

525
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: that other situation where they think you're your prey. You've

526
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: been brainwashed into believing what you believe, especially from one

527
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: of those crazy, wacky homeschool families. But even you know,

528
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: there are some families I know just incredible kids in

529
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: public school. There are just amazing ambassadors for Christ. And

530
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: some of them are a church. They went on a

531
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: recent trip with my kids to Asia, and I look

532
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: at these kids and you know, obviously they're getting that

533
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: from their culture as well, and being able to stand

534
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: strong in the midst of all of these these different opinions.

535
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: You encapsulated so much in that first line.

536
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Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said. You said, like

537
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Speaker 2: how the paries killed Jesus. I think there's something to

538
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: be said. There's so much symbolism in the way that

539
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: our Christ died. I think a lot of us know this.

540
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he dies on passover, so he's our sacrificial lamb,

541
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Speaker 2: he's our passover lamb. And if you go back in

542
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Speaker 2: the Old Testament and you look everyone who ever made

543
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: a sacrifice, who everyone who ever killed an animal to

544
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: be sacrificed, that sacrifice was for them. And so there's

545
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Speaker 2: something to be said about the fact that the Pharisees

546
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Speaker 2: and the Romans had a part in killing Jesus. So

547
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: the jew and the gentile has a part in killing Jesus,

548
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: and the religious and the secular has a part in

549
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Speaker 2: killing Jesus.

550
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Speaker 3: And so when Jesus raises from the dead.

551
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Speaker 2: He kind of almost defeats these separations and it's like, Okay,

552
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: now you're defined by the sacrifice that you made. Okay, Romans,

553
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: you killed Jesus. Jews, you killed Jesus. You're no longer

554
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Speaker 2: defined by Roman or Jew. You're defined by Jesus. You're

555
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: defined by the sacrifice you made and the lamb that

556
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: you killed. You're defined by that cross and that empty grave.

557
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: You're not defined by what you were before you came

558
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: into the temple to make your sacrifice. That's been removed.

559
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: Now your sacrifice is here, and he's alive. And there's

560
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: something to be said for the fact that these barriers

561
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: kind of get removed in the sacrifice of Jesus because

562
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: as the people who killed him, I mean, it's for them.

563
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: His blood is on their hands and it's for them.

564
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Speaker 2: And in this in this sacrifice, those boundaries are kind

565
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: of defeated, and so there's a really there's hope there

566
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: in that, you know, it's for the jew and the gentle,

567
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: it's gentile, it's for the secular and for the religious,

568
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Speaker 2: and there's there is there's hope in the fact that

569
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: these barriers and these this craziness kind of gets defeated

570
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: in the person of Jesus when he raises from.

571
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Speaker 1: The dead exactly, and what is Paul tellis Galatians. In

572
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: Christ there is no june or genue, gentile, yeah, great,

573
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: nor slave, male nor female. Of course, he's not erasing

574
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Speaker 1: distinctions between males and females. He's erasing the hierarchies. He's

575
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: erasing the divisions, the things that divide us. And I

576
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Speaker 1: think that was I think my audience could tell now

577
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: what I invited you. And you're the very first gen

578
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: V representative on the show because you're just you're utterly brilliant,

579
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: not only in your poetry but the depth of your thoughts.

580
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: So let's go on to some other points in some

581
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: of these other distinctions. We can't hit them all because

582
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Speaker 1: but what are some of the other ones that you

583
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Speaker 1: would want to talk about? Some of the assumptions about

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm looking at the poem right here, because I

604
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta get my thoughts together. I would say

605
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: probably the distinction of falling to the world's ways and

606
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: setting the world ablaze. So the church often will look

607
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: at gen Z and say, the church and older generations specifically,

608
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: we'll look at gen Z and go like, well, there's

609
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: rioting in the streets, and people are burning things down,

610
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: and there's all of this, and like you're setting the

611
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: world on fire. Like what are you doing? You're setting

612
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: the world on fire. And you know, I look at

613
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: the sixties and I'm like, okay, well, you know there

614
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: was there seems to be a lot of there seem.

615
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: To be a lot of riots in the sixties as well.

616
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Speaker 1: We didn't start this business and Billy Joele's song we

617
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: didn't start the fire, remember now, Yes, And I would.

618
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: Be you know, look at the fall of the Roman Empire.

619
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Speaker 2: I don't know we're the first ones to be doing

620
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: rising the streets. But anyway, I digress. From all of that,

621
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Speaker 2: there's this idea that.

622
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Speaker 3: We've set the world on fire.

623
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Speaker 2: And then there's also from the secular and even like

624
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: some of the younger generations, there's this idea that like, oh,

625
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: you think you're Christian now, but you'll fall, You'll fall

626
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: like you'll join us, You'll fall. You think you're Christian

627
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Speaker 2: right now.

628
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Speaker 1: But I mean you'll come on, You'll you'll come to

629
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Speaker 1: your senses, you'll deconstruct.

630
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, we're going to get you into college. We're

631
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Speaker 2: going to put you in a room with a professor

632
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: who doesn't think like you.

633
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Speaker 3: And when you finally see how you know, stupid your

634
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: ideas are, you're going to come to one of us.

635
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: And there's these two opposing ideas in that.

636
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: I think there's also oh, I'm.

637
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: Sorry, Well no, I was just gonna say, I mean

638
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Speaker 1: statistically showing there is an exodus because a lot of

639
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Speaker 1: I think I don't worry about that. For you, I'm

640
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Speaker 1: not worried about you.

641
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: Know, I mean I do like I should.

642
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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's very that's very humble and sobering. I

643
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: think you're right. Nobody should go into college thinking well,

644
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: I've got this. I'm not going to be shaken. I'm

645
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: not because there are a lot of other ideas out there.

646
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: But hopefully, as a parent, my job, my hope is

647
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: that I've prepared my kids well enough to know that, yeah,

648
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: there are going to be some things that shake your faith.

649
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: There are going to be some things, some ideas out there,

650
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Speaker 1: and but more than ideas, And there's your Your poem

651
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: is beautifully encapsulating so many of those ideas. But life

652
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: is going to rock you. Things are going to happen

653
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: that you do not expect. Before the show, you and

654
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: I were just talking about my dear friend who I

655
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: went to the funeral on Sunday, who God led him

656
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: and his wife to sell their home in order to

657
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: buy a farmhouse out in the country to rehabilitate women

658
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: who are sex trafficked, right, And he passed away last

659
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: week from als, right, and they're really shy of the

660
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: finish line. They are getting the house ready to do

661
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: all of this, and like everything has come to a standstill.

662
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: And you were telling me about your dear friend who's

663
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: battled cancer for fifteen years and is they're on death

664
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: watch now. So those things will rattle us. So I, yeah,

665
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: there's and tragedies happen, and the stories don't get written

666
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: the way that we expect them to. So I think

667
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: we should all have a very humble experience. But what

668
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: did your friend tell you? You had it? Like she had

669
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: a stilted, difficult conversation because last week we were gonna

670
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: we were trying to record last week, and you're right,

671
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: just so, you were kind of in a bad head

672
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: space and I was too, you know, with all of

673
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: the tragedy around us, and you you had a conversation

674
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: with your friend and what did she What were the

675
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: words that she told you? They were so perfect.

676
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: Just so she was having a conversation with me, your.

677
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: Last conversation with this friend that is very dear to you, and.

678
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: She's very very possibly my last conversation is her. Hope

679
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: I get another call in, but very possibly my last

680
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: conversation with her. And she, you know, we talked for

681
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: about an hour and she's hopped up all medicines. She

682
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 2: kind of can't like think straight, and she would get

683
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: in the rut and she would just repeat the same phrase,

684
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: trust Jesus. And it happened several times throughout the conversation.

685
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: She'd just get in the rut. She would she would say,

686
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: trust Jesus, Trust Jesus, Trust Jesus, Trust Jesus. And it

687
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: made me saw like a baby. Because when we were

688
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: taking care of my grandmother and she had dementia, there's

689
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: something that Oh my goodness. It was set on the

690
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: Revive Our Hearts podcast and oh it was a dear

691
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: lady who's struggling with Alzheimer's and I think she's passed

692
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: away now, but she said a quote that me and

693
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: my mom kind of held on to, like for dear

694
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: life while we were taking care of my grandmother, and

695
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: it was, you know, when I have forgotten my Jesus,

696
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: My Jesus has not forgotten me, like when my body

697
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: is so frail that I can't remember anything about him,

698
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: when you know whatever. And it was one of those

699
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: moments where you know you're looking at a dear saint

700
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: of Christ and you're like, I mean you are like

701
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 2: you're fading away, and you just feel like trus Jesus,

702
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: Trust Jesus, and it's like the only thing she has

703
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: to hold on to you. It's so ingrained in her

704
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: bones that it's like the very last vestige of her

705
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: is this this phrase that just rings out in her

706
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: living room where she's sitting in a hospital bed hopped

707
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: up to monitors. It's the very last thing she has

708
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: in her bones to give to this world, and it's

709
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: trust Jesus and It's like I just it blew me away,

710
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, imitate me as I imitate Christ.

711
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: I want to imitate this woman.

712
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: She is.

713
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, right.

714
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. And it's like, like you said, the

715
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: world says you're going to deconstruct, and here's this woman

716
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: who's gone through hell. And my friend did too. Whenever

717
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: you would ask him how he was, he would say

718
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: blessed and highly favored, blessed and highly favored, and literally

719
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: he got to the point where he couldn't speak anymore.

720
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: You know what he wrote, blessed in highly favored. He

721
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: would write it, he would write it. And you look

722
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: at this and you think, yes, you know, I look

723
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: at your generation so young, and so you've been through

724
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot. You've been through a lot even at your

725
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: young age. But understanding that he is, and that's what

726
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: you turn to in the poem. At a certain point,

727
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: you're like, you keep going back and forth with all

728
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: of these ideas that our culture has about us and

729
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: the church has about us, and you keep juxtaposing those

730
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: and then you're like, I'm not going to listen to

731
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: any of that. I'm going to listen to the one

732
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: who made me, so talk about that transition. I love that.

733
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: I think you're right. If my life is to revolve

734
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: around opinions, I would much rather they belong to a

735
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 1: God who is pre eminent and not a people who

736
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: are insignificant. I would much rather derive my identity directly

737
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: from the one president the world's christening than a people

738
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: with a debilitating sin disease. And so really, I think

739
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: the foundational theme of the poem is authority. Who has

740
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: the authority to define me? Does a previous generation have

741
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: that authority? Does the media or the ruling political class,

742
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: or the church or my pastor do I have the

743
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: authority to even define myself? Because that's what that's where

744
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: much of gen.

745
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: Z all else.

746
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the heart. The heart is deceitful above all else,

747
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: and that's what so many in the generation are doing.

748
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: I get to define me, and I'm defining me by

749
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: what I feel like today. And if I feel like

750
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm attracted to this person today, then that is who

751
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: I am and what I am. And if I feel

752
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: like something different tomorrow, then all of this is fluid.

753
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: So but I get to define me, and I define

754
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: me by what I'm feeling or this is the transition

755
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: you make so beautifully in the poem. Does God, the

756
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: one who made me, who was present at the Christening

757
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: of the world, does he have the authority to define me?

758
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: Right?

759
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: Because it really and honestly this is for your generation.

760
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter what generation you're in. You're in

761
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: moms and dads, whether you're a millennial, whether you are

762
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: a gen xer, whether you're a baby boom, or grandparent

763
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: or great grandparent, it doesn't matter. We all live in

764
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: the same tension of the authority of who gets to

765
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: define me? And much of the world right now is

766
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: just rejecting any kind of authority and you come to

767
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: a different conclusion. So, really, where you're coming to is

768
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: who gets to define me? How have you care us

769
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: come to the conclusion.

770
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: That God is the one who should define you? Well?

771
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: I think you know so, I grew up in a

772
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: Christian household. You know I heard about Jesus. I love that.

773
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: There's this line in this song. Everybody should go listen

774
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 3: to the song.

775
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: There's this song called The Narrow Road by Reagan James Boone.

776
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: I think I can't remember, but he has this line

777
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: in the song that says knew the words before I

778
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 2: knew you knew the things to say before I knew

779
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: the reason why. And so so I like grew up

780
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: in this, in this very churchy home. Like I like

781
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: I said, I knew my mom was going to be

782
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: reading her Bible before I was even awake. It was

783
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: gonna be six am and she's gonna have a Bible out,

784
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: and like, growing up in that, it's really easy to

785
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: just go like, yeah, I'm a church person. I'm a

786
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: church person. I'm a church person, and like like let

787
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: that be your definition. And then as you get older

788
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: and you make friends, you know, it's really easy to go, well,

789
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: i'm this person's friend, and i'm this person's friend, and

790
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: i'm this person's friend. And you know, I got saved

791
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: when I was seven, so I came to have my

792
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: identity in Christ, but I didn't really understand what it

793
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: meant to take ownership of that identity until I was

794
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: a little bit older. I'm pretty open with my story.

795
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 2: I was sexually abused when I was three years old,

796
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: and it was also really easy to hide behind that

797
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: as my identity of like, oh, well, I don't like

798
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: guys and I don't like men, and I don't like whatever.

799
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: And I came to a place when I was about thirteen,

800
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: where honestly, if I had had different parents, if I

801
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: had been in a different situation in life, I probably

802
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: would have in one of these like libs who is

803
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 2: like dating women and thinks they're a man, and like whatever,

804
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: all these crazy ideas. Because I had so much hurt

805
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: and so much baggage, there was so much easier to

806
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 2: demonize the things that I thought had hurt me, so

807
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 2: much easier to demonize men. It was so much easier

808
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: to demonize the church. It was so much easier to

809
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: demonize this and that and this and whatever, and say like, well,

810
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: why would God make me a woman when women can

811
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: be hurt like this? And why would God give me

812
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: these friends when they can hurt me like this? And

813
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: why would God give me this church when it can

814
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: hurt me like this? And why would God give me

815
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: these things? It was so much easier to demonize everything

816
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: that had hurt me than to like look at the

817
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: plan in general and to like overview it. It was

818
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: so much easier to demonize these things. And I got

819
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: to a place when I was about thirteen, and I

820
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: found I found a poet. Her name is Jackie Hill Perry,

821
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: and I love Jackie Hill Perry. She wrote this book

822
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: called Gay Girl, Good God, and so I so I wrote.

823
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: That cover and I highly recommend it.

824
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: Love that book. Please can read it. I have read

825
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: it like three times.

826
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: And I was mesmerized with her skill as a writer.

827
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: Just she is a beautiful writer.

828
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: She is so pressed by God.

829
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: She is. And so I never struggled with homosexuality or

830
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: transgenders of ideas.

831
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 3: But like I said, where.

832
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: That hurt in my life was, I can see how

833
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: that transitions into that for some people who didn't grow

834
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: up in the same place that I did.

835
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: If I had been in a different place, I.

836
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: Can see where that hurt kind of morphs and becomes

837
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: this like amalgamated version of like, I'm going to identify

838
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: by my pain. I'm going to identify by whatever keeps

839
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: me safe from my pain. I'm going to identify by

840
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: whatever is the easiest coping mechanism for my pain. And

841
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: so I read this book and I loved this book,

842
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: and it just kind of changed the way that I thought.

843
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: And I started to go, Okay, well, you know what

844
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: does God say about me? And it was I had

845
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: had a daily quiet time, like my daily Bible reading

846
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: my whole life.

847
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 3: But I started to take it seriously.

848
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: It was not like just a check in the box, Okay,

849
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: read this chapter, done, move all my life. It was sitting,

850
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: it was praying, it was worshiping, it was really seeking,

851
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: stopping looking over two verses. And that's all I got

852
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: done for the morning was two verses, and it was

853
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: it was sitting and soaking in Christ. And so I

854
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: kind of came to a place where I was like,

855
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: God gets to define me because I realized how much

856
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: God loved me, Like I had to get to a

857
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: place where I realized that He loved me before I

858
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: could let him define me.

859
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: And that sounds like a very prideful human thing to say.

860
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: But I promise you, if you approach God with this

861
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: idea of you have to prove to me how much

862
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: you loved me before I let you define me, He's

863
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: going to show out. He's going to show up, and

864
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: he's going to show out if you approach him and

865
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: you say, Okay, here's my ugly, dirty, disgusting, maggot ridden heart.

866
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: Here you go. You have to prove to me that

867
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: you loved me before I let you fully have it.

868
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: He's going to do it, and he's going to define you,

869
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: and he's going to give you he's going to like,

870
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: instead of hiding behind your pain, he's going to give

871
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: you wings like eagles to hide behind. He's going to

872
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: cover you up in the shadow of his wings. He's

873
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: going to Yeah, he's going to show up, and he's

874
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: going to show up, and he's going to do everything

875
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: that you think culture can do for you and more.

876
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: Wow, Caris, I don't know that we have talked in

877
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: our previous conversations fully about your history and sexual abuse.

878
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: Was that did that happen with someone who was a

879
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: believer or a supposed believer or was it?

880
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: Did that? Was that part of your story or.

881
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: So church hurt is separate from that.

882
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to malign the church because

883
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: chrysl is his bride.

884
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: So I want to clarify this.

885
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: He was a family member and he's a cousin and

886
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: we were at like a Thanksgiving dinner or something, and

887
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: that was where it happened. And I spoke up very quickly,

888
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: so it was kind of a one and done thing.

889
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: And because I was three and I loved my parents,

890
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: and my parents loved me, and I knew I could

891
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: tell my parents that he thinks so, and so that

892
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: was that was handled fairly quickly in that it only

893
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: happened once church heart kind of came. My dad was

894
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: a minister, so you get a lot of church hurt

895
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: pretty easily, and it's mostly just it was the constant

896
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: heard of, Okay, well they don't want to sit this

897
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: church anymore, so we're going to go to a different church. Oh,

898
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: they don't want to see thether, they don't want to

899
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: see thether they don't want to see their whatever whatever.

900
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 2: Because he's working at a lot of old Baptist churches,

901
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: so he would try and bring in some new music

902
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: and the deacons would basically just decide, we.

903
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: Don't want any change, and you know, here you go.

904
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 2: And it was hard for like a kid to understand, like, honestly,

905
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: they don't want your family. It's they don't want to

906
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: make changes to the music or changes to the whatever,

907
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: so they're picking a different person. That was where some

908
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: of that church hurt came in of like, well, church

909
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: people don't even love me, Like church people don't love me.

910
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: This family member didn't love me. Guys aren't safe, and

911
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: girls are safe, but friends are terrible, and you know,

912
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and it was just this storm, this

913
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: just amalgamation of horrible ideas and horrible things, and it

914
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: was just not I can I can definitely see where

915
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: that becomes a lot of the crazy sin and crazy

916
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: identification that we see in our world today. If I

917
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: had not had the parents that I had, and I

918
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: can see people who were less privileged than I was

919
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: to have been born in the house that I was

920
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: born into could just completely fall away.

921
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: And it just breaks my heart for a world.

922
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: Today because I feel like a lot of times as

923
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: church people, we look at that and we go, oh

924
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: my goodness, they're just you know, they're whatever, they're this,

925
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: or they're that, and we bring a lot of judgment

926
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: to it. And I think until you come to a

927
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: place where you realize that could have been you if

928
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: you were born in a different house, you kind of can't. Yeah, yeah,

929
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: you have to come to a place where you realize

930
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: it could have been you in a different house.

931
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing you said a minute ago I thought

932
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: was so so far beyond your years, is that so

933
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: often we're defined by our pain or what protects us

934
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: from our pain, and I think you're absolutely right that

935
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: that is where a lot of people go, and there

936
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: is a lot of church hurt. I think I need

937
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: to do a whole show on church hurt, because there's

938
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: all kinds of church ort. A lot of people will

939
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: identify in certain directions and they've been wounded, they've been

940
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: terribly wounded into church. The church. There's some sins that

941
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: are more acceptable and forgivable than others, and there's a

942
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: lot of struggle there, I think, and your generation feels

943
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: the brunt of that, perhaps more acutely than others other generations.

944
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that, you know, because we can't cave on truth.

945
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: We have to to stand true to what God's word

946
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: says about our identity, who we are, how He has

947
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: created us, how He has designed us. But at the

948
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: same time, we have to love people like crazy who

949
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: struggle in those areas and not come across as condemning,

950
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: never denying truth, but also not condemning. And so you know,

951
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: it's not that's not my job. I don't get to

952
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: judge people. That's not my job I need to judge.

953
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to cave on truth either, And

954
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: of course we all talk about, you know, speaking the

955
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: truth and love, and that's almost become a cliche. But

956
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: and I don't want that to be a cliche. We

957
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: have to find the way to love just actively and

958
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: aggressively and proactively those that we disagree with, and that's

959
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: how we erase in Christ, these divisions. We are responsible

960
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: as the Church for erasing these divisions between Jews, Greeks, male, female, right,

961
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: slave and free, like my friends were trying to, you know,

962
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: and I praise God, I pray that that still work

963
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: still continues, helping to heal those who have been sex slaves,

964
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: sex traffics. We need to The Church is responsible and

965
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: in Christ we can heal these these divisions. I love

966
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: what you said at the end of the poem, or

967
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: towards the end of the poem. I will not walk

968
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: in the path they have assigned to me. I will

969
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: carry across and follow footsteps that were drenched in blood

970
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: for me. In life, no matter who you are, somebody's

971
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: going to try to assign a path. For some people.

972
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: It may be a parent and I hopefully, hopefully as

973
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: as parents, we cannot assign the past for our children,

974
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: but we can encourage our children and inspire ourn and

975
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: I try to be like the one the the mom

976
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: on the sideline with the pom poms and the bullhole.

977
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: Aren't saying you're good at that, you'res so good at that.

978
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: And if they say, well, I want to shift, I

979
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: want to go this direction.

980
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: Okay, you're good at that.

981
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: You know.

982
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get to define what who God

983
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: created them to be. But I think as a parent,

984
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: I have a unique opportunity. I'm I'm front row center

985
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: in the play that is my child's life, and I

986
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: get to be kind of on the front row of

987
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: some other people. Hopefully I pray that I've been kind

988
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: of towards the front row in your life and really

989
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: encouraging you. Cares because your gift, your gift is profound

990
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: and so needed, and I want to encourage you to

991
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: either get Like I don't know, I hate social media

992
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: and I'm so bad at it. One of these days

993
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: I'm going to hire somebody to do it for me.

994
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: But like, I just see you on a YouTube channel

995
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: doing your slam poetry and just really speaking for this

996
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: generation and inspiring them. What I see in you and

997
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: what I see in some of the other kids praise

998
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: God that graduated with you, my son being one of them,

999
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: and you know his dear friend Micah, the two of

1000
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: them like they're just powerhouses. Just an avonlea. Dear me,

1001
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: if you ever have a chance to have my daughter

1002
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: pray over you. People come up to me at church

1003
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: all the time your daughter prayed over me, and my

1004
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: life has changed, and I'm like generation, it's like I want.

1005
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: You've got such a creative gift to call this generation

1006
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: up to where their identity needs to be found, not

1007
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: in their feelings, not in the culture, not even in

1008
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: the church, or what people may have said about you

1009
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: in the church. That religious attitude, that is the death

1010
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: of the work of the Holy Spirit in you. Dear me,

1011
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: reject that with everything in you, because God has a

1012
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: calling on this generation, and it is found in the

1013
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: secret place that your mother taught you. It's found in

1014
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: that secret place of getting up and filling yourself with

1015
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: some Jesus and then some coffee. You're able to fill

1016
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: others with what is inside of you because you're overflowing.

1017
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: It is beautiful. Give us your final thoughts today on

1018
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: anything else you want to impart to the next generation

1019
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: or to the church or to our culture any I mean,

1020
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: your poem says it so beautifully, but why don't.

1021
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: You just speak in too.

1022
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to say for this generation and

1023
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: our final moments.

1024
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Well, I think we're on a parenting show, so I

1025
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: want to leave the parents with some hope. I want

1026
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: to say, gen Z is joining the church in record numbers.

1027
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: So the church attendance for gen Z has now surpassed

1028
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: Millennials and gen X, and we are returning and we

1029
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: want truth. We are so desperate for truth. A lot

1030
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: of the people that I talked to, I'm you know,

1031
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to go to college, so I'm meeting

1032
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people and I'm whatever, and we want real,

1033
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: we want real, we want truth, we want to know

1034
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: what's really going on. And they're just they want to

1035
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: join church, and like even the people.

1036
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: So I met a girl when I went to admit.

1037
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 2: A students day at the university that I'm going to

1038
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: go to, and she worshiped Mother Earth like it was.

1039
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: It was. It was a strange, it was. It was.

1040
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: It was some pagan some pagan stuff. But I was like,

1041
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: so I have a question, and she was like yeah,

1042
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: And I was like when I first get here, like,

1043
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: would you ever want to like come church hop with me?

1044
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: And she was like yeah, actually, like I'd love to see,

1045
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: like what kind of church you would like to go to,

1046
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: and like you're your opinions on church and so like

1047
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: we might go church hopping, you never know.

1048
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: So what's the girl who worships Mother Earth? That's awesome, hey,

1049
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like.

1050
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: Her, like if Jesus got a hold of her, her worship

1051
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: were probably be so free and she could probably inspire

1052
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: so many people and our testimony would be so great.

1053
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: And so I just want to leave.

1054
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: Some encouragement in that for the parents of Like there's

1055
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: a generation coming up after you that wants truth and

1056
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: we are we are living in a very divided world

1057
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: and a world with so many opinions. We want to

1058
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: have one thing and hold on to that one thing,

1059
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: and so be there for us. Give us that thing

1060
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: to hold on. To share your faith, be loud, be proud,

1061
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: don't be afraid of being that church negative voice if

1062
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: you truly come at it with like, So I think

1063
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: it's in I think it's in galations possibly if I'm

1064
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: thinking of it correctly. But there's to paraphrase this idea

1065
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: of like, if you're walking in the spirit, the flesh

1066
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 2: will not be able to coincide. Like, if you're truly

1067
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: walking in the spirit, the flesh will not be able

1068
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: to override the spirit. And so if you are walking

1069
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: in the spirit and you are walking in Christ and

1070
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: you are gonna like tell us, tell us about what

1071
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: church you go to, tell us about what books you're reading,

1072
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: tell us about your Bible study. Like even if you

1073
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: think we don't want to hear it, tell us give

1074
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: us truth, give us something to grab onto because it's

1075
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: what we really want. So we want like a lifeline.

1076
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: And then for my generation, take the lifeline when it's

1077
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: given to you. And even if nobody gives you a lifeline,

1078
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: go find one. Go find Jesus. Go find that lifeline,

1079
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: and then share with your peers, like, don't be afraid

1080
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: to share with your peers. You would be shocked at

1081
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: how many people are not angry to hear that Jesus

1082
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: loves them. I don't think I've ever had somebody be

1083
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: angry at me for sharing the gospel. I'll go back

1084
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: to that girl who worships Mother Earth. But I said, okay,

1085
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: so I won't bring this up again, like, I'm not

1086
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: going to be all religious, I'm not going to hit

1087
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: you over the head with anything, but I feel like

1088
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 2: I need to share it at least once. Here's the gospel,

1089
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: and I laid up the gospel for it, and I

1090
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: was like, I would not be a good person if

1091
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 2: I didn't share this with you, because to quote, oh

1092
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: what atheist is it? That says like if if a Christian, like,

1093
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: if you truly believe that the person you're looking at

1094
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: is going to die and go to Hell, why would

1095
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: you not tell them about Jesus? Like you have to

1096
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: hate me to not tell me about Jesus. And so

1097
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: I quoted that to her and I was like, so

1098
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't hate you, and so I'm gonna and this

1099
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 2: will be the only time, but I think you're pretty

1100
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: awesome and we've had a really great conversation, so like.

1101
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 3: I just need to tell you about Jesus.

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00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: And she was like that was a really nice way

1103
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: to go about that. Thank you so much, like I

1104
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: feel really cared for. And I was like, well, it

1105
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: didn't change your mind, but she knew I cared, and

1106
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: so don't be afraid to share your testimony, to share Christ,

1107
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: to share the Gospel. So just to impart some hope.

1108
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: We can be really discouraged in this world. But there's

1109
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: hope and there's a lifeline. And hey, if we're hopeless

1110
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: and the world is falling apart and the world burns,

1111
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: go great revelation.

1112
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: You know what happens at the end. You get to

1113
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: live in you to live in heaven.

1114
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: For if these are the last days as they are, Yeah,

1115
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: Christ comes back in three years, three days tomorrow, in

1116
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: thirty seven seconds, guess where you get to go. So

1117
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: tell people about Jesus and then don't freak out if

1118
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: the world starts burning.

1119
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: It's fine, It'll be okay. Yeah, it's cool. I love

1120
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: how open you are about sharing with your new friend

1121
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: who worships Mother Earth, the version you're looking for relations

1122
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: five sixteen. Walk by the spirit and you will not

1123
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: gratify the desires of the flesh. And I just have

1124
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 1: I do have one follow up question. You talked about

1125
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: how your generation is craving truth. Do you really think

1126
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: that this generation is starting to crave like universal truth

1127
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: or do you think it's just their subjective postmodern truth.

1128
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: My truth is my truth, and your truth there's your truth,

1129
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: and we can all just coincide and be happy and coexist.

1130
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 2: So I think that they crave the second one first.

1131
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: So they crave the ladder first, is they crave my truth.

1132
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 2: I want to know what I am and who I am.

1133
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: There's only so much you can learn about yourself sitting

1134
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: in your own head before you go, wow, I suck.

1135
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm terrible, Like this is not something better than me somewhere.

1136
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 2: And so when you get to the end of this

1137
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 2: postmodern idealistic your truth, my truth, let's all coincide's whatever.

1138
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: When you get to the end of that, there's an

1139
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: end to that. When you get bottom in that, when

1140
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 2: you get to the end of that, that's when you go, wow,

1141
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: I need a ladder, and that ladder is universal truth.

1142
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: And so maybe you climb up the Buddhist ladder and

1143
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: you go never mind, yeah, maybe you climb up the

1144
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: like uh no, I don't want to throw shade on

1145
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: our Catholic friends, but maybe the Mormonism ladder and you

1146
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: go ooh, maybe not on that one. Or maybe you

1147
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 2: climb up with your Home with Witness ladder and you're like, okay,

1148
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: you climb up all these different ladders. You come up

1149
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: Atheism and paganism and whatever, and then you get to the.

1150
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: End of them and you're like, I'm not out of

1151
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: the hole yet. Find the Jesus ladder. The Jesus ladder

1152
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: gets you out of the hole.

1153
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: You seek this, this universal truth, and I think that

1154
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: every other truth, because it is not truth, will disappoint.

1155
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: And so when you get to the end of all

1156
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: these other ladders, the only one left is Jesus, and

1157
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: you get to decide whether or not you're too prideful

1158
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: to climb up that ladder, having exhausted all your other options.

1159
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: And so I think there's like a place where you

1160
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: hit the end of all the other truths and you

1161
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: only have the one truth left, and you get to

1162
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: decide whether or not you're gonna go with that one

1163
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: or you're gonna be prideful and kind of sit in

1164
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: your misery.

1165
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: Amen to that. So when you climb up that ladder,

1166
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: that's when you define. You get to be defined by

1167
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: the one who is present at the christening of the

1168
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: world in the universe, he gets to define who you are.

1169
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: Caris you are just you blow me away every time

1170
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: we have a conversation. I'm like, I think, just your

1171
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: presence and this conversation, how intuitive you are, how brilliant

1172
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: you are, how talented you are, and your observations about

1173
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: your generation are just so refreshing and so breathtaking and

1174
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: so encouraging I know, to all the parents out there,

1175
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: But more than that, I want to encourage you. I

1176
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: mean it, darling, you have got to get yourself a

1177
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Instagram or something and just start sharing, maybe

1178
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: start your own podcast. I say that this, this needs

1179
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: to be the first of many episodes together because I

1180
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: want to have you back on and we'll talk about

1181
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't care what we talk about. We can talk

1182
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: about anything, but I just think your insights and generation.

1183
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: Oh dear, are we going back because you're in the

1184
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: Are you in the SBC? I am, Yes, you are,

1185
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: and seeing I am not. And we had a long

1186
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: conversation about that. We had but you know what, was

1187
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: very civil, and we we disagree on to me Arias

1188
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: and actually we agree on a lot. I would I

1189
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: would put myself in probably the softy galitarian camp. And

1190
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: maybe you're on, Yeah, you're so, we're right, We're like,

1191
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: we're we're kind of we're like on the same row.

1192
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a little division between the pero. But there's

1193
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: a lot that we agree on there, and we we

1194
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: had a really fascinating conversation about that. But then you know,

1195
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: of course a lot has happened. I've been wanting to

1196
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: actually do a show on that. I've reached out to uh,

1197
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: someone that I was hoping to have on the show

1198
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: to talk about that, because that's like every time. I'm

1199
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: not on Facebook very much, but every time I go

1200
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: on Facebook, it's like a lit up, like completely up

1201
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: with this issue. So and this one I'm very passionate

1202
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: about and talked about. But like I look at a

1203
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: young woman like you and dear me, I know God

1204
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: wants to use your voice and your talents to help

1205
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: speak and inspire this generation. I know my kids, my

1206
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: kids just adore you and you guys went to a

1207
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: PowerPoint party recently, right, that was so fun I hadn't

1208
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: heard of this thing. Apparently kids did. They They do

1209
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: a party, They put together a power point. I think

1210
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: my son did something on fast food restaurants with Micah

1211
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: or something. I can't remember.

1212
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: It was so funny.

1213
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Well, but yours, what did you do? Yours? On?

1214
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: Uh? Deuteronomy, the portion of there's two places in Deuteronomy

1215
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: in one place in numbers where God says, thou shalt

1216
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: not boil a kid in its mother's milk like a

1217
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: kid goat in its mother's milk. And so I read

1218
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: a forty two page research paper on that.

1219
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: Only you would do a forty two page research paper

1220
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: on that, and my kid one. That was not my point. Okay, okay,

1221
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: My power point was you read that. Okay, got a

1222
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: red one.

1223
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 3: I did not write a forty many.

1224
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: People anybody would read a forty two page research paper

1225
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: on that. But what my kids said, you got up

1226
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 1: and you're like, this is gonna be terrible. It's gonna

1227
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: be you know. But then and they were like, they

1228
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: said it was amazing. They all they both of them

1229
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: said that yours was the bad. I really wanted to

1230
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: go to that party because I thought it was. I

1231
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: was too busy packing up my house or doing something.

1232
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: But anyways, I think you are just amazing and I

1233
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: want to encourage you to do stop please. I want

1234
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: to see you online. I want to say, when you're

1235
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: really big and famous, for you to come back is

1236
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: still come back on my show. Because I just think

1237
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: you're amazing and I think God has given you a

1238
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: gift for a reason, and it's because we need voices

1239
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: like yours and this generation that are that are inspiring them,

1240
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: not condemning them. Just like your friend who worships Mother Earth,

1241
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: that you were able to reach her in a way

1242
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: that showed that you cared about her, that you genuinely cared.

1243
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: You're not preaching at her, you're not condemning her, but

1244
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: you're just really making a relationship and she's getting one step.

1245
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: She's one step closer, maybe two to Jesus because of that.

1246
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: Well it is, and that's what our relationships need to

1247
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: be with those who do not believe we're not trying

1248
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: to get them. I had a guy I could talk

1249
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: to you, Friver. I had a guy on the show

1250
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: a while back. It was one of my favorite episodes.

1251
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: His name is Michael Friend, and he's like, look what

1252
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: we need to do.

1253
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 3: We need to see it as a spectrum.

1254
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: People start like the worst you can be as a

1255
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: negative ten, like a negative ten to the gospel. And

1256
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: some people start there because of like things that happen

1257
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: to them, things like that happened in your childhood, perch,

1258
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: church wounds, just abuse, all sorts of things and how

1259
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: could a good God allow this to happen? So they

1260
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: may be in a negative ten and then say zero

1261
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: is the point of conversion. Well, in my encounter, maybe

1262
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: all I was able to do was to show them that, hey,

1263
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: here's a rational, compassionate, loving, intelligent person who's a Christian

1264
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: and they have a good encounter, a good conversation, and

1265
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: they know who you are.

1266
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: And maybe that's all it does, and maybe just.

1267
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: Gets them from a negative ten to a negative nine

1268
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: point eight. I don't know, it's a little bit closer.

1269
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: And so each each interaction, each positive interaction that we

1270
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: have with the loss is getting them one step closer

1271
01:02:59,080 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: to Jesus.

1272
01:02:59,600 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: And that's all.

1273
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: Well, that's all I'm responsible to do. I can plant

1274
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: seeds or water seeds like Paul or Apollus, but God

1275
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: causes the growth. And so what we have to do

1276
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: is trust others with the Holy Spirit and trust this

1277
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: next generation that the Holy Spirit is more than capable

1278
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: of bringing them to that point. And I thought your

1279
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: your answer was so astute, and that yes, this generation

1280
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: is seeking my truth first, but ultimately you keep climbing

1281
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: up ladder after ladder after ladder, and they do not

1282
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: satisfy and you recognize at some point that there actually

1283
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: is universal to truth. William Lane Craig puts it this way.

1284
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: Anybody who looks at a bottle of medicine at a

1285
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: bottle of rat poisoning knows that there's a universal, absolute

1286
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: truth that I want to take the one that is medicine,

1287
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: not the one that is rat poisoning, because right, the

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Speaker 1: truth of what is on those labels is universal, and

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Speaker 1: I can't deny that. I can't say, well, my truth

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Speaker 1: is that this is this rat poisoning is good for me, Okay,

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Speaker 1: well try that. Well we know better than that there

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Speaker 1: is there's a universal physical, scientific proof or truth, and

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Speaker 1: there's also universal spiritual truth. And our job is with

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Speaker 1: compassion and with love and with fostering relationships with people,

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Speaker 1: just like you did with your friend, new friend. And

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Speaker 1: I'll just pray, Father in Jesus name, I just pray

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Speaker 1: that this new friend would go church hopping with Keras

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Speaker 1: and Father, that you would bring her closer to the

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Speaker 1: foot of the cross into a relationship with you in

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Speaker 1: that process. Where do we just say a prayer now?

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Speaker 1: And I want to have you back on sometime. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what we're going to talk about. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about I think your perspective on gen Z is so

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Speaker 1: encouraging and so inspiring. You really don't have a website

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Speaker 1: right now, or do you have a social media presence or.

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Speaker 2: Not particularly No, I have private Instagram and that's about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, just pray about it. I want to push you

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Speaker 1: down a road that's not right for you, but God

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Speaker 1: has big things for you. And I think that you

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Speaker 1: have a voice that needs to be heard. And I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad that I got to introduce your voice to

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Speaker 1: my audience. And I mean, like, seriously, you hold up

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Speaker 1: with the best of the best that I've ever had

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Speaker 1: on this show in terms of your insights into what's

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Speaker 1: going on, and especially with your generation, more so because

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Speaker 1: you are part of this generation. So I know this

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Speaker 1: is going to be an ongoing thing. I want to

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Speaker 1: have you back. You will find times when you're going

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Speaker 1: away to school this wall right, yes, August eighth, well wonderful,

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Speaker 1: and we will keep in touch and we'll have you

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Speaker 1: back on. But thank you so much. I know my

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Speaker 1: audience has been so encouraged and so inspired by your

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Speaker 1: voice and by your commitment to Christ. And I know

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Speaker 1: you are not alone you are not alone. There is

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Speaker 1: a generation that God is raising up that is getting

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Speaker 1: rid of the religious stuff and all the fake stuff

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Speaker 1: from the church that is being put on them, and

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Speaker 1: all the stuff from the culture. And they're seeking Christ.

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Speaker 1: They are seeking an identity in Christ. And you have

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Speaker 1: inspired to our parents to know that their children can

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Speaker 1: and will do this. Some of them may take some

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Speaker 1: wild journeys and climb some arrant ladders before they get there,

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Speaker 1: but our parenting is one of the instrumental things. I think,

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Speaker 1: and you alluded to that that it was your parents

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Speaker 1: that helped to prevent you from going up all of

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Speaker 1: those other ladders. And some of the kids will go

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Speaker 1: up those ladders, but praise God, we can pray them

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Speaker 1: back to the right ladder and that Jesus will become

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Speaker 1: their identity. Thank you so much for joining us today, Caris.

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Speaker 1: We'll have you back on soon and hopefully often.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: As we wrap up today's conversation, I hope you are

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Speaker 1: walking away with the same feeling I had after talking

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Speaker 1: with Carris, That is hope. I wondered how she would

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Speaker 1: answer my question about universal truth versus the individualized subjective

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Speaker 1: truth that her generation has embraced, and her answer was

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Speaker 1: so impressive and so encouraging. Yeah, yeah, gen z Is

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Speaker 1: climbed up all of these ladders in search of my truth.

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Speaker 1: The postmodern ladder, the Hindu or Buddhist ladder, the New

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Speaker 1: Age ladder, the agnostic or atheistic ladder, the moralistic, therapeutic

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Speaker 1: deist ladder, and the just I want to have fun ladder.

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Speaker 1: But you know, those latters only get you so far.

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Speaker 1: And when our kids are honest, they hit a dead

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Speaker 1: end and they stop listening to what they say, as

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Speaker 1: Karis put it so powerfully in her poem. And then

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Speaker 1: this generation can climb another ladder, the ladder that Jacob

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Speaker 1: found in the Old Testament. Yeah, the ladder that leads

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Speaker 1: to Yahweh our Creator. And when we climb that ladder,

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Speaker 1: when our kids climb that ladder, God will change their names,

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Speaker 1: just like he did with Jacob. He changed Jacob's name

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Speaker 1: to Israel, which literally means one who wrestles with God

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Speaker 1: man and overcomes moms and dads. There are many in

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Speaker 1: this generation who are wrestling. They're wrestling with the competing

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Speaker 1: world views and ideas. They're wrestling with man made philosophies.

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Speaker 1: And when they get to the end of those, they

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Speaker 1: can wrestle with God and He will change their name

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Speaker 1: and they will overcome. So be encouraged. Moms and dads

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Speaker 1: being very encouraged, and as always remember God gave you

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Speaker 1: your kids, your specific kids for a reason.

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Speaker 2: That's because you hold the key to.

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Speaker 1: Unlocking who've God created them to be. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: next time.

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