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Speaker 4: All right, welcome everybody to the Charlie Kirk Show. It

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Speaker 4: is July twentieth, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: We are Blake's holding it down in Phoenix, Arizona at

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Speaker 5: the YREFI Studios. We got lots of news to cover

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Speaker 5: this morning, a lot of breaking news unfortunately out of

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Speaker 5: New York City where a suspect is in custody now

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Speaker 5: after an incendiary device was set off outside of federal building,

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Speaker 6: So there's what appears to be, yeah, the individual taken away.

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Speaker 7: That was the information we had.

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Speaker 6: That building houses the FBI New York Field Office. It

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Speaker 6: also houses the New York Immigration Court, among other things.

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Speaker 6: The FBI is saying an individual has been taken away

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Speaker 6: and the New York Joint Terrorism Task Force will now investigate.

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Speaker 5: All right, so you've got the federal building that houses

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Speaker 8: It's I mean, we've seen these attacks, We've seen shooting

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Speaker 8: And what especially stood out about this, and this has

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Speaker 8: and so the federal government needs to lay down the law.

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Speaker 3: Who is putting the poop in the punch bowl?

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Speaker 11: The people who are promoting these nutty, crazy backwards ideas

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Speaker 5: Yes, there's some emotions you should be using if that

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Speaker 13: Yes, my vote is in play because it can't be

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Speaker 13: I know the talking point is that it's not communism

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Speaker 5: I love that Jonathan Carl's trying to like divert the

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Speaker 4: Bad. But Blake, what do you make of this?

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Speaker 5: And do you think it's a real phenomenon, a real

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Speaker 8: It's going to be some There's definitely going to be

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Speaker 8: I think people who are really I think the sliver

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Speaker 9: What I worry about with DSA is I worry.

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Speaker 4: Without further ado. Michael Michael Knowles, host of The Michael

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Speaker 4: Noles Show. Welcome back to the show. It's good to

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Speaker 4: see you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, gentlemen. Thanks for TH's having me.

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Speaker 5: Well so, Michael I wanted to have you on because

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Speaker 5: He obviously made some comments about what he perceived to

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Speaker 4: Help us unpack this what is really going on here?

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Speaker 12: Michael Knowles, Well, I think from the outset for people

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Speaker 12: The way that I got kind of plugged into this

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Speaker 12: These sorts of whether they're artificial accounts, whether they're real

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Speaker 12: People do this a lot when people die, and they've

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you, Michael, and well, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: And we try to honor that, and we try to

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Speaker 2: Well, Bingo, yes, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, Michael nothing.

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Speaker 5: I know nothing of this experience that you're speaking of

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Speaker 5: But yeah, breaking right here on the Charlie Kirk Show,

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Speaker 5: That was on July fifteen, twenty twenty four. This is

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Speaker 5: from January twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. I want everyone

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Speaker 5: to stop and appreciate how fortunate we all are, all

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Speaker 5: ore to have Vice President JD Vance, the second hight

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Speaker 5: ranking official in the country, proudly speaking at the March

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Speaker 5: for Life. He was so great for this. It's time

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Speaker 5: for an American family renaissance. This is again something jd

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Speaker 5: and Charlie shared. This is from August twenty nine, two

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Speaker 5: twenty four. JD Vance's messing, messaging discipline is extraordinary. Since

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Speaker 5: being picked as Trump's VP, his pace has been ferocious,

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Speaker 5: both on the trail and in the media, without a

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Speaker 5: single gaff or slip up. Incredible feat in the modern era.

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Speaker 4: He goes on.

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Speaker 5: This is February twenty nine, twenty twenty four. When we

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Speaker 5: talk about vice presidential candide, this is I believe it's

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Speaker 5: before he got picked. Here's a key reason why Jadvan

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Speaker 5: should be seriously considered Democrats are increasingly concerned that AZ

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Speaker 5: and GA are getting out of reach. So they're putting

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Speaker 5: a ton of money into the blue Wall. They're big spending,

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Speaker 5: spending big in Wisconsin, Pa, Michigan.

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Speaker 4: JD.

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Speaker 5: Vance speaks the language of the rest belt. Okay, here's

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Speaker 5: one that feels very relevant to our current moment. Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is from October first, twenty twenty four. Trump took

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Speaker 5: a ton of heat for trusting his gut and selecting JD.

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Speaker 4: Vance as his VP.

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Speaker 5: A massive lobbying effort, Michael, We wouldn't know anything about

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Speaker 5: what a lobbying effort could look like. Happened behind the

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Speaker 5: scenes to block JD. Trump persisted. Once again, Trump is vindicated.

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Speaker 5: Trump was right yet again?

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Speaker 2: How about that?

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Speaker 12: You know, this is where when when people people will

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Speaker 12: sometimes ask me, because I think you're so right, people

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Speaker 12: do really miss Charlie's guidance. He was he was a

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Speaker 12: singular figure when it came to maintaining and curating a

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Speaker 12: conservative coalition. But he was also a thought leader, and

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Speaker 12: he was also an operative, and he was doing you know,

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Speaker 12: he was doing all all of those things. And and

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Speaker 12: so they'll ask me, what do you think Charlie would

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Speaker 12: have thought about this, that or the other thing, and

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Speaker 12: I have opinions, and I'm pretty sure I'm right, by

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Speaker 12: the way any number of these questions, and I usually say, look, Michael, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 12: I did know him very well, and but I say, look,

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Speaker 12: it's it's really not my position to state that here

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Speaker 12: are some things he said.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 12: You guys have an actual institutional responsibility to answer those

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Speaker 12: questions in a way that I do not, And I

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Speaker 12: think you've done a very good job at it, as

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Speaker 12: you just did now. But from the standpoint of the

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Speaker 12: Charlie Kirk Show and TPUSA, you really do have an

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Speaker 12: institutional responsibility to do that. And uh, you know, it's

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Speaker 12: it is going to be dial up a lot because

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Speaker 12: we are now in this kind of shadow war for

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Speaker 12: the twenty twenty eight presidential nomination. I think it's all

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Speaker 12: kind of silly because assuming Trump remains the head of

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Speaker 12: the Republican Party and remains the powerful figure in the party,

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Speaker 12: he's just going to pick the nominee. And the idea

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Speaker 12: that there's some kind of shadow war between Vance and Rubio,

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Speaker 12: I think that's also in the imaginations of a lot

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Speaker 12: of people. Let's not forget Rubio endorsed Vance as the nominee.

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Speaker 12: The Trump himself has said he wants both of them

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Speaker 12: to run together on a ticket. So I think a

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Speaker 12: lot of this is really contrived and it's wish casting

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Speaker 12: from factions on the right.

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Speaker 2: But they're always going to be these factions.

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Speaker 12: I mean now, I think a lot of the anti

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Speaker 12: Vance rhetoric that you're seeing is really just a copy

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Speaker 12: and paste of the never Trump movement. There are some

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Speaker 12: differences with it, but it's a lot of the same

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Speaker 12: people making a lot of the same arguments.

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Speaker 2: So, Okay, you're going to have that lane.

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Speaker 12: Look, that's a legitimate part of the conservative movement and

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Speaker 12: the Republican coalition. So you got that lane, then you've

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Speaker 12: there will be the libertarian lane. There might be the

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Speaker 12: more hawkish lane. There might you know, there are these

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Speaker 12: views on the right. We have a lot of intellectual diversity,

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Speaker 12: and that's often one of the strengths of the American

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Speaker 12: right compared to the left, which is uniformly progressive.

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Speaker 2: So they can hash it out.

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Speaker 12: I'm all for, you know, duking it out in primaries

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Speaker 12: and what have you. I guess just the only thing

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Speaker 12: that gets my blood pressure up a little bit about

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Speaker 12: it is when people would would have the temerity, especially

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Speaker 12: people who didn't know Charlie that well, didn't like him

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Speaker 12: all that much, were kind of undermining him during his life,

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Speaker 12: when they would have the temerity to invoke him and

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Speaker 12: pretend that they are the standard bearers for him, especially

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Speaker 12: as a way to shive the political candidates that he

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Speaker 12: liked the most. I mean that to me, it's just

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Speaker 12: a bridge too far, and I think it bears weighing

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Speaker 12: in on what's actually going on.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Michael, And I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 8: a little more than wish casting on the Vans Rubio thing,

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Speaker 8: maybe wish casting for Rubio himself, but there does I

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Speaker 8: was through the first Trump term, there wasn't anything quite

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Speaker 8: like this in terms of the.

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Speaker 9: Avid power struggle over who would take over.

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Speaker 1: How lucky are we to have jd Vance as Vice President?

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Speaker 1: We went all in for jd Vance for US Senate

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Speaker 1: when it was unpopular, when people would call us names.

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Speaker 1: We went all in for jad Vance for the US

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Speaker 1: Senate on like day one. We recognized his gifts early on.

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Speaker 1: I saw the talent and I said, this is the guy,

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Speaker 1: This is the one. Jd Vance has become such a

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Speaker 1: warrior for our cause. In the past six months. Jd

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Speaker 1: Vance is acting and looking like the Vice president that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump needs, the vice president that Donald Trump deserves,

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Speaker 1: and maybe beyond that, even the fortieth president. We're a

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Speaker 1: long way from that. We shouldn't even think or talk

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Speaker 1: too much openly about that. But he's a rock star.

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Speaker 1: He's smart, he's capable, he's humble.

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Speaker 5: He's Phenomenal's Charlie and jd Vance, I believe in January

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. So all right, Blake, you wanted to

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Speaker 5: unpack something with mister Nole here, so the floor is yours.

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Speaker 9: Oh, excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 8: I'll also say, Michael, I got a message from a

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Speaker 8: Dominican friar I knew in college, who says he's a

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Speaker 8: big fan and loves the segments.

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Speaker 9: So I thought i'd throw that out, but.

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Speaker 2: I wanted you didn't get a message from a Jesuit.

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Speaker 4: You know the.

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Speaker 12: Dominicans, they're reliable, and Jesuit.

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Speaker 2: Can be a little more hit or missing.

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Speaker 8: Well exactly exactly, and I'm sure him you knowing the

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Speaker 8: difference is why he loves you. So let's uh, I

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Speaker 8: want to unpack this this Rubio thing, As you said,

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Speaker 8: it feels like wish casting.

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Speaker 9: Secretary of State Rubio has.

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Speaker 8: Not really indulged at all these efforts to turn him

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Speaker 8: against the Vice president, and I believe I think that's admirable,

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Speaker 8: but it does seem it seems very sustained.

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Speaker 9: And I've certainly heard rumors that this isn't.

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Speaker 8: Just people on x There's there's donors line up saying

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Speaker 8: we'll get We're gonna keep up in the amount of

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Speaker 8: money and we can offer you until it'll just be

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Speaker 8: too irresistible for you to run. Even on social media,

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Speaker 8: it's clear there's a lot of sustained attacks on Vice

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Speaker 8: President Vance. There's a lot of sustained effort to promote Rubio,

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Speaker 8: and even we're going to have this panel discussion. We

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Speaker 8: had these panel discussions with some of the young kids

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Speaker 8: when we were at the Chapter leadership summit, and we

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Speaker 8: haven't released that yet, but one of the things we

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Speaker 8: were talking to them about is who do you prefer?

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Speaker 8: And they were very aware there was this Rubio versus

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Speaker 8: Vance dynamic going on and they had mixed feelings about it.

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Speaker 8: So I guess the question is is what is motivating this?

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Speaker 9: Is it?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 8: It seems to a lot of people that this is

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Speaker 8: primarily just about the Iran war and the fact that

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Speaker 8: Vance has become so to speak, the face of I

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Speaker 8: don't want a full regime change in Iran? Are there

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Speaker 8: other factors going into this help us to understand what's

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Speaker 8: driving this intense wish casting.

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Speaker 9: If that's what it is.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think you're right that there's the Iran War

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Speaker 12: is the inciting incident for a lot of this campaign

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Speaker 12: against Fans or for Rubio or what have you, not

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Speaker 12: coming from.

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Speaker 2: Either of the men.

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Speaker 12: But it also really draws on Careres. So there's this

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Speaker 12: caricature that Jdvans is an isolationist, he's not. There's this

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Speaker 12: caricature that JD. Vans supports socialist economics, he does not.

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Speaker 12: There is a caricature that Jadavans is anti Israel. He's

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Speaker 12: not anti Israel. That is a caricature that is invented

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Speaker 12: in the imaginations of political operatives, I guess or people

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Speaker 12: in axtagrind. Likewise, there's this caricature that Marco Rubio is

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Speaker 12: I don't know, some kind of Bush era and Neocon

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Speaker 12: he's not, or that Marco Rubio just wants to I

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Speaker 12: don't know, resurrect three YouTube videos of Milton Friedman's economics

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Speaker 12: from the eighties. He also does not want to do

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Speaker 12: that or this idea that Marco Rubio I don't know

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Speaker 12: on the Israel Iran issue, that he wants to give

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Speaker 12: everything to Israel that they can do no wrong.

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Speaker 2: Again, I don't think that's true either.

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Speaker 12: I think that in reality Vance and Rubio are much

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Speaker 12: closer even just in the way they think about politics,

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Speaker 12: on economics, on migration, and foreign policy than the wishcasters

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Speaker 12: would have it be. And dynamic that I see playing

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Speaker 12: at is eerily similar.

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Speaker 2: To what you saw in twenty twenty four. And what

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Speaker 2: you saw in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 12: Four was a real tragedy of the Rond de Santis campaign,

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Speaker 12: because the Ronde Santis campaign in many ways was doomed

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Speaker 12: from the beginning, the reason being that the thing everyone

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Speaker 12: loved about Rond de Santis was that he was a

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Speaker 12: really great governor in the vein of Donald Trump. If

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Speaker 12: you recall, the initial pitch for a president DeSantis was,

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Speaker 12: He's just like Trump, but even better. You know, he

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Speaker 12: has that kind of populist appeal, that common good appeal,

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Speaker 12: that common sense appeal, but he's even better.

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Speaker 2: He's more disciplined, He's this, that or the other thing.

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Speaker 12: So he was going to run as Trump two point zero,

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Speaker 12: you know, bigger, badder than ever before. But because Trump

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Speaker 12: was running in the race, the lane that DeSantis occupied

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Speaker 12: was necessarily the anti Trump lane.

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Speaker 2: And so a lot of the.

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Speaker 12: DeSantis supporters, a lot of people are a gung holl

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Speaker 12: in that campaign didn't want him.

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Speaker 2: They wanted him to be the anti Trump.

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Speaker 12: But the thing that made him so interesting was he

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Speaker 12: was a really good version of Trump in Florida. And

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Speaker 12: so there was this constant conflict within the campaign, and

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Speaker 12: obviously it was not successful. I think that's similar to

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Speaker 12: what you're seeing here. The Vice President's enemies are imagining

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Speaker 12: someone that he is not, and the same thing goes

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Speaker 12: for Rubio. And so I think it's why not only

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Speaker 12: is Rubio loyal and you know he doesn't want division

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Speaker 12: in the administration, but I think he's smart and he

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Speaker 12: sees some of these dynamics too. A lot of the

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Speaker 12: attacks that you're seeing on vans that he's not, you know,

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Speaker 12: a doctrinaire les a fair late eighties style capitalist on economics.

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Speaker 2: The same things for a Rubio.

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Speaker 12: The fact that Jadvance will talk about the common good,

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Speaker 12: guess what, so does Rubio. The fact that jad Vance

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Speaker 12: doesn't want to bomb every country in the world. I

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Speaker 12: don't think Rubio wants to bomb every country in the world,

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Speaker 12: and so I think the Secretary of State understands those

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Speaker 12: underlying dynamics as well, and at least as of now,

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Speaker 12: he hasn't fallen for it in the way that you know.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately. I think you saw play out in the Disantis campaign.

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Speaker 5: I want to I want to throw up this graphic here.

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Speaker 5: This is something President Trump himself posted during the mo

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Speaker 5: OU when JD was getting this first onslaught of attacks.

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Speaker 5: This is Trump posted this himself on True Social one

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Speaker 5: sixty one.

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Speaker 4: I believe it is Trump bump.

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Speaker 5: Voters overwhelmingly support the Iran peace deal, and this, Michael,

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Speaker 5: I think this is ultimately what's happening. The MoU was

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Speaker 5: popular because people love peace. Uh, President or vice president

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Speaker 5: of advance is supporting policies that are widely and broadly

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Speaker 5: popular across the American electorate.

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Speaker 4: There is just.

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Speaker 5: Huge entrenched and I don't even know if they're that huge,

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Speaker 5: but groups on social media that will attack you once

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Speaker 5: you say something that is massively popular, and so I

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Speaker 5: think we're seeing this whole same playbook play out again.

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Speaker 5: Michael Knowles, host of the Michael Nose Show. Thank you

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Speaker 5: so much, my friend.

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Speaker 4: It's great to.

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Speaker 5: See you, as always, good to see you, guys. Good

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Speaker 5: conversation is about respect. It's how we create a space

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Speaker 5: where people are able to share their ideas and be heard.

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Speaker 5: Charlie knew that Turning Point still knows that, and TikTok

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Speaker 5: has always strived to build the kind of place that

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Speaker 5: thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we

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Speaker 5: can share what's on our minds and learn from each other.

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Speaker 5: When ideas meet respect, good things happen on TikTok. You

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Speaker 5: can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem

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Speaker 5: most of us wouldn't even know how to name, or

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Speaker 5: a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers.

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Speaker 5: Viewers who listen discuss, and then they respond. TikTok turns

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Speaker 5: connection into community through small acts of understanding. You can

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Speaker 5: feel it in the comments and the thank you from

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Speaker 5: a stranger halfway across the world. TikTok is a place

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Speaker 5: where respect opens the door for discussion, and discussion helps

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Speaker 5: us build something real. And we have Sean Davis, who

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Speaker 5: is the CEO and co founder of the Federalists here Sean.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the show. It's good to see my friend.

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Speaker 3: Good to be back. Thanks for having me so, I.

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Speaker 5: Of course, we're always grateful to have you. The I

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Speaker 5: just I have to get into this, right, okay, because

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Speaker 5: I saw you sparring with a certain author from the

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Speaker 5: Washington Wall Street Journal, Kimberly Strassel. She and the editorial board,

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Speaker 5: in their great wisdom, decided to attack jd Vance.

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Speaker 4: Right, so you you clap back?

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Speaker 5: They said, President Vance goes a wall the leader of

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Speaker 5: the Senate could bring Congress together. He's hawking a book

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Speaker 5: that I mean, this is a pretty pretty aggressive attack

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Speaker 5: from the Wall Street Journal, you replied back, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: but pulling this obvious little stunt against Jade Vance, whose

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Speaker 5: wife just gave birth, when Mitch McConnell hasn't been seen

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Speaker 5: in weeks is absolutely absurd. What are we even doing here, Sean,

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Speaker 5: What are they doing here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: So, I love Kim Strassele. I actually think she's a

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Speaker 14: great journalist. She's done some amazing work over the years

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Speaker 14: posing waste fraud abuse in Congress. So my complaint isn't

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Speaker 14: with her, it's with this new little hope we're seeing

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Speaker 14: against JD. We saw it in the wake of the

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Speaker 14: Rogan interview, where you had a bunch of neocons who

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Speaker 14: just want war everywhere, attacking him for things he never said.

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Speaker 14: Then you have this hit come out from the Wall

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Speaker 14: Street Journal, which is very neocon, very pro illegal and

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Speaker 14: you know, ridiculous legal immigration. And they don't like JD

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Speaker 14: because JD's America first, he's not a neocon An. He

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Speaker 14: things we should close the border. So let's just all

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Speaker 14: be honest about what's happening here. And it's a full

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Speaker 14: on interventionist neocon America exists to do things for other countries'

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Speaker 14: ideological hit against JD. And what I found so absurd

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Speaker 14: about it is the particular frame that they used, calling

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Speaker 14: him a wall calling him the leader of the Senate.

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Speaker 14: Last time I checked, John Thune was the actual majority leader.

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Speaker 14: Now I understand that he's a potted plant. He's not

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Speaker 14: particularly good at his job. He's not very good at

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Speaker 14: count votes. He can't exactly figure out how to get

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Speaker 14: them to work more than two to three days a week.

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Speaker 14: So I understand the frustration with a majority leader.

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Speaker 3: In name only in John Thune.

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Speaker 4: But JD.

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Speaker 14: Vans is the vice president and yes he has the

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Speaker 14: authority to break a tie, and yes he can go

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Speaker 14: in and sit behind the chair and wheel the gable.

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Speaker 14: In the Senate, he is not the Senate majority leader.

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Speaker 14: So this attempt to retcon him and then to place

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Speaker 14: on him all the failures of the Senate, which is

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Speaker 14: actually run by John Thune and Mitch McConnell, is completely dishonest.

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Speaker 14: It's completely absurd. And if we're going to talk about

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Speaker 14: senators being a wall, we should probably have a conversation

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Speaker 14: about Mitch McConnell, who nobody has seen or talked to

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Speaker 14: publicly and I think close to a month. And there

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Speaker 14: actually are standing Senate rules that governed absences that require you,

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Speaker 14: if you are a Senator, which Mitch McConnell is and

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Speaker 14: JD Vance is not to inform the Senate of the

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Speaker 14: reason for your absence and to seek leave to seek

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Speaker 14: permission of the Senate to remain absent.

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Speaker 3: Mitch McConnell hasn't done that.

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Speaker 14: He's just had various surrogates tell us, oh, he's in

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Speaker 14: great health. Oh, by the way, he wants to make

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Speaker 14: sure we're still shoveling bazillions of dollars to Ukraine. That's

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Speaker 14: not what the job of his senator is. We don't

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Speaker 14: need senators in absentia. We need actual senators. So if

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Speaker 14: you're worried about senators being a wall, let's have a

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Speaker 14: conversation about Mitch McConnell whether he should resign since he

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Speaker 14: clearly cannot execute the duties of his office.

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Speaker 5: You know what strikes me, and I hadn't thought about

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Speaker 5: this yet, Sean, is you've got me thinking back to

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Speaker 5: some of the conversations we're told Mitch McConnell had from

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Speaker 5: the hospital room. He was sharp as attack, he's on it.

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Speaker 5: He was talking about a lot of foreign issues and policies.

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Speaker 5: He's talking about Iran, he was talking about Ukraine. He

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Speaker 5: was talking about all these things.

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Speaker 4: And it strikes me.

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Speaker 5: And I don't mean to speak ill of the dead

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Speaker 5: Lindsey Graham, you know, I wish no ill towards him.

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Speaker 4: I'm sad that he passed on.

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Speaker 5: But you know, he had that one quote, interestingly enough,

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Speaker 5: when he was starting to feel ill, saying I've got

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Speaker 5: this Ukraine stuff to get done.

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Speaker 4: I've got Israel, I've got you.

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Speaker 5: Know, so many foreign abstractions from the people that are

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Speaker 5: supposed to be leading the United States of America, and

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Speaker 5: it strikes me that JD Vance stands in extreme contrast

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Speaker 5: to that. Talking about the middle class, the American dream, affordability,

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Speaker 5: the common good. These things do seem to be widely popular,

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Speaker 5: broadly popular with the American electorate, but they do stand

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Speaker 5: in contrast to the messaging that we're seeing from this

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Speaker 5: neokon wing of the party that seems more obsessed and

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Speaker 5: perplexed by foreign abstractions.

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Speaker 4: Am I missing something?

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Speaker 14: No, I think you've nailed it. And the reality is

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Speaker 14: the GOP establishment, which is run by big spenders who

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Speaker 14: want to open the border and just use the military

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Speaker 14: as the police everywhere. That establishment hates Donald Trump. It

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Speaker 14: has always hated Donald Trump. It was John Thun who

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Speaker 14: was calling for Donald Trump to drop out in twenty

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Speaker 14: sixteen after the stupid Access Hollywood tape. So let's not

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Speaker 14: be mistaken about what the permanent Washington establishment, where by

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Speaker 14: the way, the Senate is its base of operations. They

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Speaker 14: hate Donald Trump. They want to get past Donald Trump.

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Speaker 14: They are desperate to just obstruct him as much as

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Speaker 14: they can get to twenty twenty eight, they would love

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Speaker 14: for JD to become.

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Speaker 3: The nominee and lose.

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Speaker 14: Trust me when I say they want JD to be

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Speaker 14: bloodied up in a primary and to lose so that

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Speaker 14: they can come in and say, look, we have eliminated

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Speaker 14: all traces of Trump and trump Ism and Vancism from

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Speaker 14: the party, and you guys didn't listen to us, and

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Speaker 14: you lost in twenty twenty eight. So we're taking the

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Speaker 14: party back over. We're in charge now, and you're going

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Speaker 14: to do what we say. That is what's happening right now.

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Speaker 14: And that's what all of these attacks on JD are about.

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Speaker 14: The permanent Washington swamp. The people who want forever wars

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Speaker 14: everywhere and spending all the time in open borders. They

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Speaker 14: hate Trump and they want to get rid of them.

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Speaker 14: And they know that Advance is the nominee. Advance wins

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Speaker 14: in twenty twenty eight because he is widely popular. I

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Speaker 14: think he's probably the only Republican who can win in

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Speaker 14: the rust belt places like Pennsylvania and Michigan. They know

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Speaker 14: that Afdvance gets in in twenty twenty eight, their chance

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Speaker 14: of taking back the party is probably over forever. And

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Speaker 14: that's why you're seeing this amount of violence and ridiculous

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Speaker 14: rhetoric against JD in the middle of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna call out the elephant in the room here, Sean,

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Speaker 5: because I don't believe this for a second. But the

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Speaker 5: dig on Vance is that he's somehow anti Israel. I've

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Speaker 5: never heard anything that he said that was anti Israel.

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Speaker 5: I've heard him say pro America things. I've heard him

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Speaker 5: say pragmatic and realistic foreign policy things. But what do

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Speaker 5: you make of that specific attack?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it is again being used by the

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Speaker 14: same group of people who want the US to be

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Speaker 14: militarily involved all over the earth. And the reality is

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Speaker 14: when it comes to Israel, there is ten percent of

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Speaker 14: people on the left who think that Jews in Israel

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Speaker 14: are the worst thing in history. The strain of anti

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Speaker 14: Semitism on the left is insane, and it's been incubated

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Speaker 14: in universities. It's finding its way into the left wing

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Speaker 14: factions like the DSA, and then on the right side

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Speaker 14: of the party, you probably have ten percent of people

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Speaker 14: who like, I don't want to do anything with Israel,

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Speaker 14: where I'm done with Israel. I'm tired of them controlling

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Speaker 14: our foreign policy.

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 14: You have the middle eighty percent of the country who's like, yeah,

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Speaker 14: I don't really have a problem with them, but maybe

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Speaker 14: America just focuses on America and where our interests align

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Speaker 14: great and where they don't, We're just going to do

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Speaker 14: what's best for America. That's actually where Jad is. But

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Speaker 14: you have this segment of the right which is wildly

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Speaker 14: overrepresented in conservative media, and that's the neo Kon wing,

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Speaker 14: the interventionists, you know, the people who were all for

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Speaker 14: the Iraq War and said we were going to be

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Speaker 14: greeted as liberators. Kind of the Dick Cheney Liz Cheney wing.

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Speaker 14: That is not representative of the party, but they're very

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Speaker 8: I just was thinking, as as Yushawn, we're talking about

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Speaker 8: all of the attacks on Vance and what inspires them,

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Speaker 8: and it just occurred to me that Charlie faced a

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Speaker 8: lot of very similar attacks.

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Speaker 9: It's uh and I was thinking about with this.

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Speaker 8: We had Michael Noles on earlier and he was saying

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Speaker 8: similar things that JD. Vance is trying to chart a

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Speaker 8: difficult path of foreign policy realism when we have people

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Speaker 8: who are maximually interventionist and people who are sort of

914
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Speaker 8: want to say maximumly isolation is, they've decided to become

915
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Speaker 8: turbo anti Israel, and it's a path that we have

916
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Speaker 8: a moral obligation to lead our party through. And when

917
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Speaker 8: Charlie tried to chart that path himself, he got attacked

918
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Speaker 8: from both sides. He had people who would call him

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Speaker 8: an Israeli puppet and people who would call him an

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Speaker 8: anti Summite, and both were untrue. And it strikes me

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Speaker 8: that it feels like Vice President Vance has become the

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Speaker 8: heir to these attacks where he does get attacked from

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Speaker 8: both sides and both of those attacks are in my opinion,

924
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Speaker 8: pretty clearly unfair.

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Speaker 14: Oh, I completely agree. He's become kind of the newest

926
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Speaker 14: proxy to go to go hit at, and each side

927
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Speaker 14: wants to define him. And obviously, in politics, you define

928
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Speaker 14: yourself or the other side defines you. There was an

929
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Speaker 14: interesting moment in his interview with Rogan that I think

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Speaker 14: highlighted this where Rogan brings up Israeli's fye and what

931
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Speaker 14: Jad said made the people on the very far outside

932
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Speaker 14: fringes angry, But what he said was totally common sense.

933
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Speaker 14: He's like, we got Israel spies all the country spy, Like,

934
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Speaker 14: welcome to international geopolitics. They all spy, you know, they

935
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Speaker 14: all have their own interests. But what I'm interested is

936
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Speaker 14: in representing America's interests. So I'm not going to get

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Speaker 14: all hot and bothered that Israel does this because everyone

938
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Speaker 14: else does this. And the Israel haters on the left

939
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Speaker 14: are like, oh, oh see, he's a total Israel shill,

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Speaker 14: And then the Israel shills on the right were like,

941
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Speaker 14: oh he should what is he doing saying we have.

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Speaker 3: Our own interests? How dare he?

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Speaker 14: It's He's to the point where no matter what he says,

944
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Speaker 14: the freaks on either side are going to attack him,

945
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Speaker 14: but what he's saying actually makes sense to the eighty

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Speaker 14: percent of people who don't have like this deep emotional,

947
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Speaker 14: vested interest in a foreign country. He's like, look, no

948
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Speaker 14: animosity here will help them when it helps us. There

949
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Speaker 14: are ally it's good to have a democratic ally in

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Speaker 14: the Middle East like them, but America needs to do

951
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Speaker 14: what's best for American Sometimes that's going to intersect with

952
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Speaker 14: what's best for Israel, and sometimes it's not. That is

953
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Speaker 14: like the most benign, banal, vanilla thing you can say

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Speaker 14: about politics, and yet for the people for whom Israel

955
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Speaker 14: is the only thing they care about, both in the

956
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Speaker 14: completely Israel hating and Israel pro obsessed mark that that

957
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Speaker 14: drove them bonkers. And it's just the weirdest thing to

958
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Speaker 14: watch online because I think you guys are probably like me.

959
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Speaker 14: You can see an op forming, you know when it's

960
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Speaker 14: not organic, you can tell when it's completely manufactured. And

961
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Speaker 14: what we've seen over the last week is completely manufactured.

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Speaker 14: And I'm just kind of tired of the pretense of it.

963
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Speaker 14: I'm tired of pretending that, you know, oh, it's totally normal,

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Speaker 14: and these are normal people just having thoughts. No, it's

965
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Speaker 14: not it's an op. Can we all just admit it's

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Speaker 14: an op and move on and argue like adults?

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Speaker 9: Well, I gotta kink.

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Speaker 5: Sean's frustrating about this, Sean. What's frustrating, sorry, Blake, is

969
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Speaker 5: that we have a real existential problem facing this country.

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Speaker 5: We've spent time talking about DSA on the show today.

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Speaker 5: This is the kind of craft they're actually saying out loud, Sehn,

972
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Speaker 5: and this distraction, these ops, they take our eye off

973
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Speaker 5: the ball, because this is really the game that's being

974
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Speaker 5: played here. If we have the courage to confront the truth.

975
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Speaker 5: And I just this clip is so shocking to me

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Speaker 5: because of just how true we know it is.

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Speaker 4: TOT seven.

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Speaker 16: I think it's particularly important not just for our community

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Speaker 16: and Tike Ride, but communities of the global South period. Right,

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Speaker 16: there's a certain reckoning that we are going to have

981
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Speaker 16: to have with the global world order as it exists

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Speaker 16: today and the way that it fundamentally will have to

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Speaker 16: shift going forward. Right, The responsibility that we have as Americans,

984
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Speaker 16: the recognition that is going to be required of us

985
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Speaker 16: of the exploitative and extractive nature that we play on

986
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Speaker 16: the global scale, and the global stage is only going

987
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Speaker 16: to be challenged if we are getting represented by people

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Speaker 16: who understand that on a fundamental level, right, and that

989
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Speaker 16: means getting more immigrant into office. That means getting more

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Speaker 16: people who have heritage in the Global South into office,

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Speaker 16: because that's where those decisions are made specifically.

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Speaker 4: So they just gave up the whole game there. That's

993
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Speaker 4: actually what's happening.

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Speaker 5: And yet we're distracted because jd Vance has the goal

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Speaker 5: to say something that's sort of pragmatic and realist about

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Speaker 5: foreign policy. They want to just get Global South people elected.

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Speaker 4: To our office. They want more mayor Mom Donnies Sean Davis.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's fascinating that all the dsayers doing this. They

999
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Speaker 14: might have a piece of paper that says they're a citizen.

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Speaker 14: They're not Americans, they're all foreign born. They're all a

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Speaker 14: bunch of invaders in subversives. And you know, look, if

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Speaker 14: everyone who is coming across the border was like a

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Speaker 14: died in the woold right wing Christian Republican, that border

1004
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Speaker 14: would get closed so fast by the left it would

1005
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Speaker 14: make your head spin. It's not that they have some

1006
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Speaker 14: sort of special love for the global immigrant, for the

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Speaker 14: Global South immigrant no, it's pure power politics, and they

1008
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Speaker 14: understand that if they want to take over the government

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Speaker 14: and turn it into their plaything, they have to import

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Speaker 14: people who they can get to support them. That's entirely

1011
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Speaker 14: what it's about. I'm glad we're at the point where

1012
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Speaker 14: they're finally admitting it out loud. We're like, yeah, yeah,

1013
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Speaker 14: we just need to keep importing people until we get

1014
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Speaker 14: the votes we need to take over, and then we'll

1015
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Speaker 14: make the whole country communists because America is imperialist and

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Speaker 14: colonial and we need to take back all the wealth

1017
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Speaker 14: that they created. They're just they're admitting the game out

1018
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Speaker 14: in the wide open, and I'm glad you talked about

1019
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Speaker 14: this because Obama called it the stray voltage theory, where

1020
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Speaker 14: if we can just get you distracted with shiny objects

1021
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Speaker 14: and shiny trinkets, then they can go behind the scenes

1022
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Speaker 14: and do what they want to do. We are constantly

1023
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Speaker 14: being distracted on social media in the news with shiny

1024
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Speaker 14: objects to distract us from the goal of the left,

1025
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Speaker 14: which is to take over the country with third world

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Speaker 14: left wing communist immigration.

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Speaker 5: It's perfectly said, perfectly said, that is the whole game.

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Speaker 5: I'm reminded of that SBLC executive who had the share

1029
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Speaker 5: of the white population slowly dropping, as if that was

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Speaker 5: the ultimate goal of these people. Because it is Sean Davis,

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back, everybody. Just a little bit of

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Speaker 4: breaking news here.

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Speaker 5: The suspect in the Lower Manhattan the Federal Building and

1055
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Speaker 5: Cyndiario device incident has been identified as Andrew ara A Baca,

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Speaker 5: So apparently as a forty three year old Andrew ara

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Speaker 5: A Baca per NBC four Local NBC there in New

1058
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Speaker 5: York City. He the sign had a pool wagon that

1059
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Speaker 5: he broke brought with him. Sign read ice off our streets.

1060
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Speaker 5: The man has a history of anti ice rhetorics. So

1061
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Speaker 5: we know now a fuller picture of what happened there,

1062
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Speaker 5: and it looks like, yes, indeed, this was most likely

1063
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Speaker 5: politically motivated. So we're gonna keep monitoring that story give

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Speaker 5: you details as it comes. So, without further ADO want

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Speaker 5: to bring in our next guest who has apparently reportedly

1066
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Speaker 5: see the new movie just like Blake Odyssey, doctor Benedict Whalon.

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Speaker 5: He's the chairman and associate professor of English at Hillsdale College.

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Speaker 5: Blake has seen the movie.

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Speaker 4: I have not. Doctor Whalon has seen the movie. I

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Speaker 4: have not, so I'm going to be.

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Speaker 5: Doing a lot of listening here. But doctor Whalon, welcome

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Speaker 5: to the Charlie Kirk Show. Honored to have you. You are

1073
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Speaker 5: also the instructor, the professor on the new Odyssey course

1074
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Speaker 5: that Hillsdale College is offering, so you're the perfect person

1075
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Speaker 5: to have on here.

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Speaker 4: You saw the film, what did you.

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Speaker 17: Think, Well, thank you very much for having me on here.

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Speaker 17: It's real delight and an honor for me. I did

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Speaker 17: see the film. I saw it yesterday. It was excited

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Speaker 17: to see it. I've done a lot of work on

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Speaker 17: the Odyssey. And as you would expect, as the earlier

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Speaker 17: publicity was reporting, the film is a real it's a spectacle.

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Speaker 17: They're all of these gorgeous shots, all these different locales

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Speaker 17: that the Odyssey takes you to. Nolan was going in place,

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Speaker 17: So it has big scene, great beautiful shooting. Hell's a

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Speaker 17: great story. It's a very interesting sort of summer.

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Speaker 7: Blockbuster, as you would expect.

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Speaker 17: Of course, as you would also expect, it's Hollywood and

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Speaker 17: it diverges, you know, in some important ways from Homer's text,

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Speaker 17: as you would expect. And you can nitpick or not,

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Speaker 17: but it's a fun film, and if it does anything,

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Speaker 17: my hope is that it inspires more people to actually

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Speaker 17: go and then have questions and read Homer's Odyssey itself.

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Speaker 8: So, doctor Whalen, actually that might be where I disagree

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Speaker 8: with you the most when you say it's fun, because

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Speaker 8: I think that's what stood out to me.

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Speaker 9: Is it? It almost is an aggressively downbeat film.

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Speaker 8: It sort of portrays Odysseus, the wily Greek hero, the

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Speaker 8: man of twists and turns. As it's often translated, He's

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Speaker 8: got PTSD from the Trojan War.

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Speaker 9: He's depressed all of the time.

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Speaker 8: One of the climactic scenes is him basically having a

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Speaker 8: PTSD style breakdown about that he did the Trojan horse

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Speaker 8: and sacked Troy. So I suppose what I ask it

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Speaker 8: does diverge from the text.

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Speaker 9: Do you still feel this is a movie?

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Speaker 8: It's probably the only big budget adaptation of the Odyssey

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Speaker 8: we're going to get for a long time. Do you

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Speaker 8: think it faithfully represents Homer, this foundational work of Western

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Speaker 8: literature for modern audiences. Does Does Christopher Nolan get it

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Speaker 8: close enough to what the poem is spiritually about, as

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Speaker 8: it were?

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Speaker 7: That's a good question.

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Speaker 17: The you know, that I think that the character Odysseus himself,

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Speaker 17: this central character is Nolan's Odysseus is just in some

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Speaker 17: of the most essential ways different from Homer's Odysseus. So

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Speaker 17: if the poem's really about the character of this man,

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Speaker 17: and that's actually the first word of the poem is

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Speaker 17: the man, mused, tell me about the man. If it's

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Speaker 17: about the man, then it's then it's yeah, Nolan's film

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Speaker 17: is different. I actually I very much agree with you

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Speaker 17: that this.

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Speaker 7: You know, Matt Damon's.

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Speaker 17: Osseous, he is much much more tormented by his past.

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Speaker 17: So yeah, we could talk about PTSD. He's he's closer

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Speaker 17: to a sort of conflicted, modern reluctant hero in certain ways,

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Speaker 17: who's done things that torment him and he's got this

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Speaker 17: guilt that he's carrying around, rather than the sort of

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Speaker 17: ancient homo eric hero who has done things in his

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Speaker 17: past that he regrets and wrestles with, but is also

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Speaker 17: perfectly happy to gloat over his enemies as he butchers

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Speaker 17: them and takes great joy in telling lies that confuse

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Speaker 17: his enemies and manipulate others to accomplish his ends. So yeah,

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Speaker 17: there is more sort of joy cleverness, maybe even energy

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Speaker 17: to Homer's Odyssey Odysseus than Nolan's. I still think in

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Speaker 17: other respects though, the film I think does give us

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Speaker 17: some some.

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Speaker 7: Sort of vision of the Odyssey.

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Speaker 17: I mean, if you think of all of those earlier

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Speaker 17: episodes that are so connected with ODIs, even just in

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Speaker 17: our cultural imagination, like the Fall of Troy, the Trojan Horse,

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Speaker 17: the Cyclops, Sir c Clipse, So those elements are there

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Speaker 17: in the film, and so it's at least unmistakably the

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Speaker 17: world of the Odyssey, even if it's not really giving

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Speaker 17: us Homer's Odysseus or obviously cutting things from Homer's Odyssey

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Speaker 17: as well.

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Speaker 8: So I was just thinking the Odyssey incredibly old. It's

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Speaker 8: basically the oldest work of literature that we have in

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Speaker 8: call it the Western Canaon. I was just checking it

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Speaker 8: basically was probably composed around the date of the Book

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Speaker 8: of Isaiah. It's older than a lot of books in

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Speaker 8: the Bible. And so when I asked did this film

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Speaker 8: get the heart of Homer's text, I think it's also

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Speaker 8: worth asking why is it that this text has been

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Speaker 8: is probably the oldest text that you will read in

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Speaker 8: an English class in a work of literature in high school.

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Speaker 9: Why has it endured so long?

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Speaker 8: What are those important elements of it that you need

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Speaker 8: to commute, Kate, if you're going to be making a

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Speaker 8: film about it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, Well, some of the most central elements of the

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Speaker 17: poem have to do with Odysseus, his particular suffering, his trials,

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Speaker 17: his endurance. That's one of his epithets, the things he

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Speaker 17: goes through on his journey, his very long journey to

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Speaker 17: get home, and then what he has to do when

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Speaker 17: he gets home, to clean house, to restore his political order,

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Speaker 17: to re establish his marriage. So he's a really interesting,

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Speaker 17: complex hero. But the story itself also shows you all

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Speaker 17: sorts of interesting things. Homer was a very rich thinker. So,

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Speaker 17: for instance, if you take the Iliad and the Odyssey together,

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Speaker 17: which tells about the destruction of Troy in the Iliad,

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Speaker 17: and then in the Odyssey Odysseus's return to Ithaca and

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Speaker 17: the restoration of his kingship and marriage, what you see

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Speaker 17: is one of the things Homer emphasizes is that a

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Speaker 17: political order that commits itself to the violation or disrespect

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Speaker 17: of marriage.

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Speaker 7: Ends up being destroyed.

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Speaker 17: That's what happens with Troy, which committed itself to this

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Speaker 17: war defending the Prince Paris's abduction of Helen. The counterpoint

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Speaker 17: to that is the story told in the Odyssey, where

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Speaker 17: you see in fact, the king, through great suffering and difficulty,

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Speaker 17: returning home and restoring his political order through the restoration

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Speaker 17: of his marriage. Homer understood that the sort of family

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Speaker 17: and the household and the larger political order are inextricably related,

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Speaker 17: and health and virtue in one helps shape and establish

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Speaker 17: health and virtue in the other. That's something that, for instance,

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Speaker 17: I'm not sure comes across as clearly a Nolan's movie.

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Speaker 5: I want to make sure that our audience is for

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Speaker 5: those in the audience that don't know the story of

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Speaker 5: Odysseus and don't know the story of the Odyssey. That's

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Speaker 5: kind of you touched on it, But you know, what

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Speaker 5: is it like from a thirty thousand foot view. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I understand why to your point you just made why

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Speaker 5: it's stood the test of time, why it's remained one

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Speaker 5: of the foundational works of literature and in the Western canon.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I kind of wanted just a primer

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Speaker 5: to make sure that our audience was ready.

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Speaker 4: But you sort of answered it, But.

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Speaker 5: If there's anything else that you would like to fill in,

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Speaker 5: I think it would be helpful to make sure we're

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Speaker 5: all on the same page.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Well, one thing that's interesting that happens in the Odyssey

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Speaker 17: is Odysseus has been held captive by this immortal nymph

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Speaker 17: goddess Calypso on her island of Ogidja, and they live

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Speaker 17: essentially alone there for those seven years. And in Homer's text,

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Speaker 17: Odysseus spends those seven years on the shore weeping, yearning

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Speaker 17: to go home, and Calypso eventually is ordered by the

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Speaker 17: gods to release him to allow him to return home,

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Speaker 17: and this is in part through Athena's intervention on his behalf.

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Speaker 17: But one of the things that's interesting there is Calypso

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Speaker 17: is this immortal, beautiful goddess. He's sleeping with her, and

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Speaker 17: she offers him immortality as well, and he's leading a

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Speaker 17: life of ease, of luxury, of just relaxation and peace

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Speaker 17: on this island.

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Speaker 7: And wouldn't that sound tempting?

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Speaker 17: Why does Odysseus want to return home to Ithaca, where

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Speaker 17: Penelope is going to be twenty years older than when

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Speaker 17: he left her, Where there's this whole messed up political order,

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Speaker 17: all these suitors coming after her. It's a difficult rocky island.

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Speaker 17: He's going to have to fight. You know, why would

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Speaker 17: Odysseus choose that as opposed to a life of ease, luxury, sensuality,

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Speaker 17: and immortality. Essentially, in leaving Calypso, Odysseus is choosing death itself.

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Speaker 17: And part of the answer to that question, why would

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Speaker 17: Odysseus choose Penelope and Ithaca?

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Speaker 7: It is loyalty to Penelope and to his place.

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Speaker 17: But on a deeper level, Homer makes clear that in fact,

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Speaker 17: it's through struggle and suffering that human wisdom is found,

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Speaker 17: and it's wisdom sort of in the struggle, in the

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Speaker 17: hard work of forming a marriage, of forming a political order,

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Speaker 17: that humans find wisdom and then actual satisfaction rather than

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Speaker 17: simply animal satisfaction. So as a whole, the work has

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Speaker 17: this really robust, larger vision of what it means to

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Speaker 17: be a human being and what a satisfactory or noble

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Speaker 17: life would look like.

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Speaker 5: I love that, you know, to choose death as you

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Speaker 5: put it, because there is deeper meaning in mortality, and

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Speaker 5: deeper meaning in struggle and wisdom. Those are profoundly important themes.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think every human being has wrestled with

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Speaker 5: the mortality that we all face, we will all face

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Speaker 5: death someday, and to wrestle with what is worth living,

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Speaker 5: what makes life worth living, what makes the struggle worth enduring,

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Speaker 5: is something that all of us are faced with asking

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Speaker 5: ourselves if we're honest every single day that we breathe.

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Speaker 5: And so that's a profound insight. Thank you for that,

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Speaker 5: all right, Blake. I was struck by your review on

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Speaker 5: X that you post. It was lengthy in in good details.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't that much something I encourage.

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Speaker 4: You to do, so I'm glad you did it.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I can dive into this that we mentioned.

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Speaker 8: It's a somewhat gloomy movie, Doctor Whalen, and a big

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Speaker 8: part of that is it almost it struck me people

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Speaker 8: were debating whether this was a woke movie because it

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Speaker 8: has a transgender casting, because of the racial casting and

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Speaker 8: all of that, Yet the core of it felt I

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Speaker 8: don't want to say it was a right wing movie,

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Speaker 8: but it had a somewhat conservative theme, which is he

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Speaker 8: really harps on this idea of civilization collapsing, the end

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Speaker 8: of ages that civilization is this fragile thing that.

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Speaker 9: Odysseus more or less accidentally brings an end to it.

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Speaker 8: Has the Aligned people have made fun of where he

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Speaker 8: says our age of Bronze is collapsing, And that's funny

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Speaker 8: because this is set during a period that historians literally

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Speaker 8: call the Bronze Age collapse, where civilization does go away

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Speaker 8: for a while, we lose literacy, we lose historical records

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Speaker 8: for quite some time. And do you think that that's a.

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Speaker 9: Is that a good way to present the Odyssey?

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Speaker 8: That to present it as a story of the end

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Speaker 8: of an age that is actually somewhat bleak, that is downbeat?

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Speaker 8: Does the Odyssey carry that tone in Homer's original great question?

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Speaker 17: First of all, I want to agree with your point

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Speaker 17: that one of the things I really enjoyed about the

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Speaker 17: movie was its treatment, both with Troy and then also

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Speaker 17: on Ithaca, with the notion that civilization is fragile and

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Speaker 17: you have to work hard and delicate, and it's a

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Speaker 17: delicate thing that requires reinforcement. So, for instance, Penelope has

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Speaker 17: a line I can't quote it exactly, but no matter

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Speaker 17: how great the structure is, it needs to have people

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Speaker 17: believe in its meaning. For this political order to continue.

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Speaker 17: And I think that's a great point. So I really

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Speaker 17: liked your point there. The problem is the problem that

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Speaker 17: I had with it, and I'm going to try to

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Speaker 17: express this without entirely spoiling the end of the movie

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Speaker 17: is that, as I've just said that, in Homer's poem,

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Speaker 17: the epic ends with Homer's great the Greek word is

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Speaker 17: his nostos is the triumphant homecoming and return of the

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Speaker 17: epic hero, and Odysseus does this. He kills the suitors,

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Speaker 17: he passes his wife's tests to prove that he's really

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Speaker 17: who he says he is, and he restores political order

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Speaker 17: with the blessing of the gods on Ithaca.

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Speaker 7: At the end, we have this moment.

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Speaker 17: In other words, of triumphant return and restoration, and in

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Speaker 17: contrast to that, without going into all of the details

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Speaker 17: or spoiling it, the movie ends.

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Speaker 7: I thought sort of apocalyptically.

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Speaker 17: That was the tone that we're going into a dark

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Speaker 17: age and we're sailing away from Ithaca and the order

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Speaker 17: has not really been re established, and we don't really

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Speaker 17: have a hope for the future. So it has a

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Speaker 17: sort of bleakness there, even at the end that is

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Speaker 17: not really in keeping with home tone. And I know

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Speaker 17: that you can nitpick all sorts of changes, but that

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Speaker 17: that is a fundamental shift in my view from the

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Speaker 17: overall arc of the Odyssey.

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Speaker 8: And so I think the big takeaway from that is

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Speaker 8: people have to people have to go read the Odyssey.

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Speaker 8: This might be you can answer this quickly. What's the

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Speaker 8: best version of the Odyssey for people to read in

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Speaker 8: your opinion?

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Speaker 17: Well, the one I've taught for years and years, the

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Speaker 17: one we did our Hillsdale online course with, is Robert

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Speaker 17: Fagel's a translation of the Odyssey. It's a classic. It

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Speaker 17: comes out in a nice edition. It's really wonderful. It

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Speaker 17: begins with the great line seeming to me of the

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Speaker 17: man muse, the man of twists and turns. That's his

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Speaker 17: translation of this word polytropunk. And that's it's a great

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Speaker 17: translation twists and turns, because Odysseus not only does lots

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Speaker 17: of twists and turns on his journey physically, but but

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Speaker 17: he is intellectually and in his stories and in his lies,

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Speaker 17: in its cleverness, he's a man of twists and turns.

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Speaker 17: He's hard to pin down. So that's a great expression

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Speaker 17: of The of the Man. It's a great it's a

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Speaker 17: great translation. I recommend it, and I also people hear

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Speaker 17: like ancient literature epic poem and they think that it

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Speaker 17: might be some sort of difficult thing to tackle. You'll

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Speaker 17: find if you go and pick up Fagel's translation, it's

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Speaker 17: highly accessible. You can just read it in the evening

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Speaker 17: to your family and you would really enjoy it.

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Speaker 7: It's really a page turner.

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Speaker 8: So this is a selfish question of mine. We got

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Speaker 8: our big budget Odyssey, we got an adaptation of Troy

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Speaker 8: twenty years ago that was mixed merits.

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Speaker 9: What would you like to see if we were going.

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Speaker 8: To get other great works of ancient medieval literature. I

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Speaker 8: don't know how wide your specialty goes. What should we

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Speaker 8: be getting from Hollywood that we're not getting because we

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Speaker 8: don't We don't get enough of these adaptations of big epics,

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Speaker 8: foundational works of literature.

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Speaker 17: I love the question, and I actually I had a

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Speaker 17: sort of random thought as I was watching how Nolan

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Speaker 17: did change the end of the Odyssey with Odysseus sailing

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Speaker 17: off towards towards the west. Actually, the next work in

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Speaker 17: Imperial Rome, Virgil's great Epic, The Eneid picks up with

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Speaker 17: the destruction of Troy, because, as Virgil tells it, and

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Speaker 17: as the Romans, the Roman Empire developed this myth itself

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Speaker 17: that it actually was founded by Aneas, who fought, who

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Speaker 17: was a Trojan, and who lived through the destruction of

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Speaker 17: Troy and went on a journey through the Mediterranean and

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Speaker 17: eventually founded Rome, which founded this empire. So in Virgil's retelling,

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Speaker 17: it's the destruction of Troy that gives birth to the

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Speaker 17: seed that becomes the great Roman Empire. That's a wonderful

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Speaker 17: work that is sort of picking up the mantle of

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Speaker 17: Homer and ancient epic literature. And I would love to

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Speaker 17: see a big budget production of Virgil's Eneid.

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Speaker 4: Well, I love that, doctor Whelan.

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Speaker 5: I gotta tell everybody, So if you want to check

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Speaker 5: out your Odyssey course that you taught, it's one hundred

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Speaker 5: percent free for people to check out.

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Speaker 4: Just have to go to learn like Charlie dot com.

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Speaker 5: We have a special URL just for that where your

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Speaker 5: course up right at the front, so people don't even

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Speaker 5: need to look for it. Learn like Charlie dot com,

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Speaker 5: and the Odyssey course will be right up there on

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Speaker 5: the front page. I think You've done an amazing job here,

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Speaker 5: doctor Wayman. You obviously understand this content inside and out.

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Speaker 5: You have such a native appreciation, native understanding of.

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Speaker 4: The classics, so check it out.

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Speaker 5: Everybody, learn, like Charlie dot com, understand the fundamental foundational

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Speaker 5: works of Western civilization and why they've stood the test

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Speaker 5: of time. I enjoyed this as an outsider because there

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Speaker 5: was basically you and Blake going back and forth, which

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Speaker 5: I appreciate and love.

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Speaker 4: So thank you so much, professor, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 14: For more on many of these stories and news you

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Speaker 14: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.