1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey, doctor Meyer, thanks for joining me. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: Thank you Michael. Good morning. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Stephen Meyer, author and philosopher of science with the 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Discovery Institute, is our guest today. He's the person behind 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: the name movie The Story of Everything that examines the 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: scientific evidence for a designer behind the universe. The website 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: is the story of Everything dot film. Doctor Meyer. I've 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: read your stop many times. 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: Over the years. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed your writings. You've written many books on this subject. 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Why did you want to make a film about the subject? 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 3: Well, a local Seattle film company that had had several 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: successful theatrical release documentaries approached us about converting my book 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: Return of the God Hypothesis into a cinematic experience. That's 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: the way they put it, and so they've done a 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: very good job of doing exactly that. Where the film 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: that my book was, you know, four hundred and some pages, 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: lots of footnotes, and we thought we could convert it 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: into a more accessible and a highly visual message, and 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: so we set out to do that. It took four years, 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 3: but the project is finally over. It'll be released in 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: theaters across the country on April thirtieth, So we're very 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 3: excited and. 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: Of course the the book we're referencing is this film, 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: isn't it adaptation of your book Return of the God Hypothesis. 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: You know, one thing that. 27 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of modern Christians don't understand is 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: how this viewpoint there's a designer behind the universe, that 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: was the majority viewpoint for most of the history of 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: the world that we know of what happened? How did 31 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: we get to the point where all of a sudden 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: people are rejecting that what we think is a common 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: sense viewpoint. 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 35 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: I tell that story in effect in the book Return 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: of the God Hypothesis, and also reprise it in the film. 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: It's a kind of a rise fall rise plot structure, 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: if you will. And in the history of science in 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: Western civil in pre Christian civilization, certainly in the Jewish world, 40 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: but even in the Greco Roman world, there was strong 41 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: support for the idea that the physical universe is giving 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: evidence of a mind behind the universe. There were always 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: two competing stories, as we put it in the film, 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: two stories of reality. One was the idea that matter 45 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 3: and energy arranged themselves into everything that we see around us. 46 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: This didn't start with Darwin. It goes all the way 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 3: back to the Democritans, the atomus in the Greek world, 48 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: but the dominant view in Western civilization, with figures like 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: Plato and Aristotle in the Greek world, Cicero in the 50 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: Roman world, Memonides in the Jewish world, but especially throughout 51 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 3: the Christian West, was that there is clear evidence of 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: a designing intelligence behind the universe. You get that in 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: psaulm nineteen the heavens declare the glory of God. 54 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: You get it in romans Ie. 55 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: The invisible qualities of the Creator, eternal powers, divine nature, 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: and divine nature are clearly seen being understood from what. 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: Has been made. 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: So there's this idea that nature is revealing something about 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: its author. And that view was crucially important to the 60 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: rise of modern science in the period we call the 61 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: Scientific Revolution, with figures like Sir Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 3: Johannes Kepler before them, and it wasn't really till the 63 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: late nineteenth century when that view began to wane and 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 3: was through in the late nineteenth century and early twentieth 65 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: century was really kind of lost among elite intellectuals. You 66 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: have figures like Darwin, Marx, Freud and others Darwin tells 67 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: us where we came from in strictly materialistic terms. Freud 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: tells us what to do about our human condition and 69 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: even our guilt, and Marx has a materialist utopian vision 70 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: of the future. So you get these three great materialist 71 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: thinkers at the end of the nineteenth century, materialism in 72 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: this case meaning the worldview that says that matter and 73 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: energy are the things from which everything else have come. 74 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: And they address all the main questions that Judaeo Christian 75 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: religion had always addressed. And so coming into the twentieth 76 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: century you have this very dominant materialistic way of thinking 77 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: that takes over the academy, percolates into culture, and affects 78 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 3: even major political regimes. Marxism in the Soviet Union, Nazism 79 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: in Germany there are very affected by Darwinian materialism. But 80 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 3: the story of the film is that the classical story 81 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: of reality, the story of a mind behind the universe, 82 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: of an intelligent designer, is coming back not in spite 83 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: of but because of new discoveries and science. And the 84 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: film tells the stories of those discoveries and of the 85 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 3: scientists who have changed their minds about scientific atheism or 86 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: scientific materialism, and come back to a theistic view because 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 3: of those discoveries. 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: Would you say that we can prove the existence of 89 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: God with science or or or you say we can 90 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: simply point in that direction. 91 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 3: How would you so use the word point? But it's 92 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: a strong point. It's the difficulty with the word proof 93 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: is that, strictly speaking, the only disciplines that prove things 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 3: are mathematics and logic. Scientists typically avoid saying proof a 95 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: good scientific theory will provide a better explanation than all 96 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: the other theories. So what scientists do is they will 97 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: say that we infer to the best explanation, and in 98 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: my book return to the God hypothesis, I argue that 99 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: not only intelligent design, but the idea of a theistic 100 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 3: designer provides the best explanation for the major discoveries that 101 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: we've made about biological and cosmological origins. The evidence that 102 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: we have that the universe has a beginning, the evidence 103 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 3: that we have that the universe has been fine tuned 104 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: for life against all odds from the beginning, and the 105 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: evidence especially that we find inside living cells of an 106 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: exquisite realm of digital and nanotechnology that I think really 107 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 3: screams calls out for the activity of a designing mind 108 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 3: as its best explanation. 109 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: So it's a. 110 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: Strong, a strong pointer that we have, and I think 111 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: that theism provides the best overall explanation for what we're 112 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: seeing in the sciences. 113 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: Doctor mar How has this debate been impacted by the 114 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: fact that our modern world is so intertwined with cities 115 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: right now? People live in cities, they never see the 116 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: vastest of the skies and never see the majesty of 117 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: the sky at night. In other words, they don't see 118 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: the creation like King David did long ago, you know, 119 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: right by the time hear the sow. I'm just curious, 120 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: what were you're talking about? 121 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: The sell aide for example, right, Yeah, you know, I 122 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 3: don't think too much about that, but maybe I should 123 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: because I live in a very wooded area. And I 124 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: remember having a conversation with a postdoctoral researcher at Cambridge 125 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: my first year when I was there. He was on 126 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: a one year post stock and I was a master's 127 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: degree student. But I was beginning to think about this 128 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: a whole question of the digital code inside DNA and 129 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: what it pointed to, what it implied. I was doing 130 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: my master's nphd theses at Cambridge were an origin of 131 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: life biology and the whole field of origin of life 132 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: studies that had come by that time in the late 133 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: eighties to a state of impact. 134 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: It's worse now. 135 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: No one has any idea how life arose from undirected 136 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: chemical processes. As the chemists who's also in the film, 137 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: Jim Tour from Rice University, says, chemistry does not move 138 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: towards life. It doesn't want to do. The chemicals. Chemicals 139 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: on their own do not arrange themselves in any life 140 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: friendly direction. And instead what we find in life is 141 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: a code. 142 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: Four character digital. 143 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: Code that Francis Crick realized was the sub units in 144 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: the DNA molecular functioning like alphabetic characters in a written language, 145 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: or zeros and ones in a section of machine code. 146 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: And I remember having a lot of arguments with my friend. 147 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: He was doing biochemistry but starting to really get the point. 148 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: And the day he was leaving Cambridge he said, you know, 149 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: you shouldn't think that your argument has had no effect 150 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: on me. He said, Now when I look at a leaf, 151 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: I don't just see something green. I realized that inside 152 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: every cell is the code that makes the leaf green. 153 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: And gives it all its other features. So the evidence 154 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: of a mind is that close to us because we 155 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: know information whenever we see it, whether it's in a 156 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: section of software, or if it's in a paragraph in 157 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 3: a book, or if it's in the DNA molecule, it 158 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: always points to a designing mind. Information is a product 159 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 3: of mind, and we're seeing that. That's been the big 160 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: discovery of late twentieth century early twenty first century biology, 161 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: is that life is governed by information, and we've discovered 162 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: where that information resides, and it's a four character digital 163 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 3: code inside the molecule of DNA. So there's the kind 164 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: of things we've discovered from science. But when we look 165 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 3: at the world around us, we should look at it 166 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: with new eyes. 167 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: I think. 168 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: You've written books on this. I'm curious if you have 169 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: a go to argument if you're in a two minute 170 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: conversation with an uber driver or someone and they don't 171 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: believe in God? 172 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 2: Do you have? 173 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: Is there an argument that you always begin with If 174 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: you only have a few minutes of someone and they 175 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: say they don't believe in God or our designer, what 176 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: do you say in. 177 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: Just a few moments, Well, this happens to me all 178 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: the time actually, because people will, you know, I'll be 179 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: being driven to a conference setting or a talk or 180 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: something and then get a conversation or on an airplane, 181 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: people will want to know, you know, they'll look at 182 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: over my shoulder at the power points I'm working at 183 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 3: and say, what what is that? And I said, well, 184 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: it's a it's a miniature machine and it's inside that 185 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: lives inside cells. 186 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: They said, what what is that? What are you? Are 187 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: you a scientist? You know I'm a scientist. What what? 188 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 4: Well? 189 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: What kind of Well then I explained what your conference about, 190 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 3: and I explain it's about intelligent design. And then and 191 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: then people will say, so, well, it takes almost no 192 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: time to convince people that there is a designing mind 193 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 3: behind life. Then well then what people want to know is, well, 194 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 3: who do you think the designer is? And then we'll 195 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: get into the god discussion. But to me, the three 196 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: each of the three arguments that I make in my 197 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: book are compelling in their own right and pumulatively even 198 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: more so. And the first is that the material universe, 199 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: as best we can tell how to beginning a finite 200 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: time ago, which means that whatever caused the universe to 201 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: exist was not material because it's matter that came into existence. 202 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 3: So you have some some need for some kind of 203 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: transcendent cause. 204 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: But also we know that the material universe was it. 205 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: Was intricately structured, finely tuned from the beginning, suggesting that 206 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: that transcendent cause was also intelligence, fine tuning, suggestifying tuner. 207 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: And then the third argument is the one I just 208 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 3: reprised that inside every living cell of every living organism 209 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: there is information stored in a four character digital code, 210 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: Bill Gates. And here's the one I'll pull out in 211 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: thirty seconds. Bill Gates has said that DNA's like a 212 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: software program, but much more complex than any we've ever devised. 213 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: We know that software comes from a programmer, So the 214 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: discovery of information in a digital form that the foundation 215 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: of life suggests a master programmer for life. 216 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: Amen to that. 217 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: I always one of my go tos is why is 218 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: there something rather than nothing? And just how did all 219 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: this began? I think that just philosophically, I think that's 220 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: a good one. You referenced that when, of course. 221 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: How did it begin? And why did it begin? 222 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 3: A finite time ago before which best we can tell, 223 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: there was no matter, no energy. You can't invoke matter 224 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: and energy to explain the origin of matter and energy, 225 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: so materialism as a. 226 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: Worldview really fails. 227 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: You need a transcendent cause which is capable of a 228 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: volitional act to bring the universe into existence at a 229 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 3: discreet moment in time, and that sounds an. 230 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: Awful lot like God. 231 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: This film features a number of well known scholars and scientists. 232 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: Was one of your goals with this documentary to challenge 233 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: the perception that belief and design lacks serious academic support. 234 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: Well, of course, and. 235 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: We have I think twenty two different scientists and philosophers, 236 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: mainly historians of science. The style of the film is 237 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: really interesting. There's no narrator and there's no host. No 238 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: one's taking you on a journey except the scientists themselves 239 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: who tell the story of the stories of the discoveries 240 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 3: that are pointing back to God. And so it has 241 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: a nice pacing. If people saw the Big Short the 242 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 3: story about the financial collapse, the principles in that story 243 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 3: told the story. They were in that case actor playing 244 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: the people who had been part of the financial collapse. 245 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: But this is the same style of storytelling where the 246 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: testimony goes back and forth between people who have insight 247 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: into what happened, and it's lots of historic footage of 248 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: people like Einstein and Francis Crick and wonderful animation that 249 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 3: takes you deep out into space and also deep into 250 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: the interior of the cell. 251 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful film. 252 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: I was just going to add that it's in terms 253 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: of just how it's made and produced and the scores, 254 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: My goodness, it's like a It really makes you think 255 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: and really pulls you into the story. Final question for you, 256 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: what kind of response are you hoping from moviegoers and 257 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: viewers of this film, doctor Mayer. 258 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: Well, this is a film that Christians and Jews who 259 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 3: believe in God can bring their non believing friends too 260 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: without fear of embarrassment. 261 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: It's, as you said, the production values are very high. 262 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: It is. 263 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: Really an elegant presentation of my book. I was so pleased, 264 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 3: and so we're hoping Number one, that students, in particular, 265 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: you know, college aged students, late high school aged students, 266 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: will find the film to be very reassuring of beliefs 267 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: that they may have been taught growing up that there 268 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: is a God. For example, many times when students get 269 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: to university they get scientific atheism ram down their throats 270 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: and they're proselytized by or are ridiculed for belief in 271 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: God by professors. This should provide them with a lot 272 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: of confidence that what they believe is true. And for 273 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: the skeptic, we hope this will open hearts and minds. 274 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: I think it gives people a lot to think about. 275 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: I get a lot of mail from people who have 276 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: physics degrees or biology PhDs or professors who were skeptics 277 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: who read Return of the God hypothesis and have changed 278 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: their mind, And we think the film can do the 279 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: same thing, and that for skeptics, this is something that 280 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: I think they'll enjoy because of the the rich science content, 281 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 3: but also it gives a lot of food for thought. 282 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: If you enjoy today's interview, please make sure to subscribe 283 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 4: and share the episode with a friend. 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