1 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and welcome back to the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Congressman Brandon Gill of North Texas joined us momentarily to 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: unpack a lot of what's going on when it comes 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: to the Somali fraud scandal. You might have seen some 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: clips of his viral hearing last week, when it comes 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: to Ice, when it comes to Minneapolis, when it comes 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: to some loftier questions what is an American? We will 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: be in conversation with Commerce and Brandon Gill later in 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: this episode, but for now we turn our attention to 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: the United States Supreme Court, where yesterday the nine justices 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: were tasked with answering some very not just legal, but 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: also some philosophical dare I say, even biological and physiological questions. 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: They were asked, namely, to borrow the title from the 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two Matt Walsh documentary film, These justices were 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: asked to ponder what is a woman? 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: Now? 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: You might actually think back to the Supreme Court confirmation 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: hearing for Kanji Brown Jackson in the first couple months 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two. That was Joe Biden's only nominee 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: to the US Supreme Court. Kataji brown Jackson, who is 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: so far left, who was so utterly palpably insanely left 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: wing on the nation's highest court, that the second most 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: left wing of her colleagues, there Sonya Sonor, actually felt 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: compelled to call out Katanji Brown Jackson as being totally 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: off the reservation, out to launch. Yes, that actually really 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: happened in the Kassa case aka the nationwide injunction case 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: that came out last summer. You can go back and 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: you can read what Justice Sodomayor wrote at that time, 29 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: and she decried Katani bra Jackson as being so far 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: out to left field that she made the rest of 31 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: her colleagues look reasonably moderate by comparison. So infamously, Katanji 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: Brown Jackson could not actually answer the Matt Walsh question 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: as to what is a woman when she was asked 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: verbatim that very question by Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: at her twenty twenty two sant Ji Ry Committee confirmation. Well, 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: yes sday, all nine justices had a chance to answer 37 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: this question. So, as we discuss briefly on yesterday's show, 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: there were two cases that were consolidated for a major, 39 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: major oral argument showdown at the U Supreme Court yesterday. 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: These were cases out of the states of Idaho, which 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: is a case known as Little versus Hecox, and the 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: states out of West Virginia known as West Virginia versus BPJ. 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: The fat pattern is relatively similar. The case out of 44 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: Idaho stems out of a dispute at Boise State University, 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: where you have a biological male who is trying to 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: compete on a women's team, a track and field team 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: at Boise State University, and the fat parrot in West 48 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: Virginia is very similar in here it only takes place 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: at the high school level, not at the collegiate level. 50 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: And the relevant question is whether these two red states 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: and hard to find rhetor states at least nominally superficially speaking, 52 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: than Idaho West Virginia. The question is whether these two 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: red states Idaho West Virginia can legislate to protect biological 54 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: females from competing against biological males in their sports. Before 55 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: even getting into some of the legalies, think just for 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: a second, you probably seen some of these images, some 57 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: of these videos recent years. Who can forget those images 58 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: of so called Leah Thomas, the Ivy League University of 59 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania swimmer, the biological male who was literally lapping his 60 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: yes his female competitors in the pool during those Ivy 61 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: League swimming competitions a few years ago. Who can forget 62 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: the testimony of folks like Riley Gaines, the former All 63 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: Star swimmer at the University of Kentucky, who has, among 64 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: many of her colleagues, has shared horror stories of being 65 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: in locker rooms of folks who subjectively identify as quote 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: unquote transgender, but haven't even actually, for whatever it's worth, 67 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: haven't even had the so called surgery aka the chemical 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: castration or genital mutilation. In other words, they still have 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: male genitalia. Is this what the left has come to 70 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: is that they are literally arguing not only that we 71 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: don't actually know what a woman is, but that it 72 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: is okay. 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: Indeed, what they are. 74 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: Actually arguing is that it's required. You see the Planks 75 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: attorneys here, the ACLU, and all the various other groups 76 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: who are defending these underlying litigants. They were arguing that 77 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: the Idaho and West Virginia laws in question, these common 78 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: sensical laws which many many states now have passed, that 79 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: they are banned under either Title nine or the Fourteenth Amendment. 80 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: It is simply just a ludicrous, ludicrous legal theory, and 81 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: a ludicrous theory when it comes to basic biology, when 82 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: it comes to the natural law, when it comes to 83 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: God's plan for the world. It is a piece of 84 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: ligation that touches on so many different parts. There was 85 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: a lot to impact here. Just as Samuel Ledo one 86 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: of the two great conservatives on the Court along with 87 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas. All the other Republican nominees are varying degrees 88 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: of slightly squish year, but sam Alito and Clarence Thomas 89 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: really kind of hold down the conservative constitutionals originals. Flaying 90 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: sam Alito was in fairly rare form for whatever it's worth. 91 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: In yesterday's oral Arguments, here was the man who is 92 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: known as Sheriff Sam grilling the attorney for the ACLU 93 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: about their argument about the Equal Protection Clause or the 94 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: Fourteenth Amendments. 95 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: In particular, do you agree that a school may have 96 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: separate teams for a category of students classified as boys 97 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 3: in a category of students classified as girls. 98 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 4: Yes, your honor. 99 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: If it does that, then is it not necessary for 100 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: there to be for equal protection purposes if that is 101 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: challenged under the equal protection clause, an understanding of what 102 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: it means to be a boy or a girl, or 103 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: a man or a woman? Yes, and what is that 104 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: definition for equal protection purposes? What does it mean to 105 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: be a boy or a girl, or a man or 106 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: a woman. 107 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: Sorry, em centers to your question. I think that the 108 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: underlying enactment, whatever it was, the policy, the law wo 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 4: we'd have to have an understanding of how the state 110 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 4: or the government was just understanding that term to figure 111 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 4: out whether or not someone was excluded. We do not 112 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 4: have a definition for the court, and we don't take 113 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: issue with the We're not disputing the definition here. What 114 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 4: we're saying is that the way it applies in practice 115 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 4: is to exclude birth sex males categorically from women's teams, 116 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: and that there's a subset of those birth sex males 117 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 4: where it doesn't make sense to do so according to 118 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 4: the state's own interest. 119 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So the lawyer there initially stumbles, pretends to not 120 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: hear properly. I hear, I don't understand your question there, 121 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: and she's off uskating she is avoiding the obvious. 122 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: Fact that she doesn't have an answer guys. 123 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: The whole transgender phenomenon which really launched in earnest after 124 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: the Left was able to constitutionalize same sex nuptials of 125 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court in the old bergofel versus Hodges case 126 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: eleven years. It was shortly after that that the transgenders 127 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: and phenomenon really kind of took off. They've had a 128 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: long time to get their answer down when it comes 129 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: to what is a woman. The Matt Walsh documentary was 130 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: almost four years ago now, and here we are and 131 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: they still can't do it. They still can't answer what 132 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: is a woman? And yet simultaneously, paradoxically, they are one 133 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: hundred percent is totally certain that a male child to 134 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: identify us as a female, is actually a girl and 135 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: therefore can compete against girls when it comes to sports. 136 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean, try to wrap your head around that. I mean, 137 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: the logic here just simply does not make sense because 138 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: it's all based on a lie. It is based on 139 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: a demonstrable empirical life that is based on a lie 140 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: against humanity, is based on a lie against basic human anthropology. 141 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: It is based on a lie because we know, we 142 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: know from everything from Genesis one twenty seven. We know 143 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: to biology one O one to human physiology. We know 144 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: that there is male and there is female. I saw 145 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: some signs outside of this preek cord yesterday talking about 146 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: X chromosomes, X Y chromosomes. Keep it separate, Yes, thank you. Yes, 147 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: this should be so strikingly obvious. Here's more from Justice 148 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: sam Alina. 149 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: How can a court determine whether there's discrimination on the 150 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: basis of sex without knowing what sex means for equal 151 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: protection purposes? 152 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 4: I think here we just know that we basically know 153 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 4: that the that they've identified, pursuing to their own statute, 154 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 4: Lindsay qualifies as a birth sex male, and she's being 155 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: excluded categorically from the women's teams as the statute. So 156 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: we're taking the statute's definitions as we find them, and 157 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: we don't dispute them. We're just trying to figure out 158 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 4: do they create an equal protection problem? 159 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So she's basically saying, don't worry about whatever the 160 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment or Title nine has to say about what 161 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: is sex. We only care about what a state that 162 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: is trying to ban biological males from competings biological females. 163 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: We only care about what they are saying. But what 164 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: is the definition of sex which is just complete lawyerly blowing. 165 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have you seen a lawyer 166 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: tries to say, oh, the definition is I mean, lawyers eat, 167 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: live and breed definitions. I'm a lawyer myself. I know 168 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: a thing or two about this. Some things cannot be 169 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: redefined by mankind, among those as sex. Again, there was 170 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: male when there is female. We know that every which 171 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: way we can possibly know that. I mean, also, just 172 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: just what an insult to the second wave feminist trailblazers, 173 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: to the Billie Jean Kings of the world who fought 174 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: valiantly back in the Civil Rights era to get Title 175 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: nine ratified. Toddle nine was passed in nineteen seventy two. 176 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: It was passed eight years after the Civil Rights Act 177 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: of sixty four was first and acted. Took a long 178 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: time actually for that struggle to to culminate. What an 179 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: absolute insult and how utterly paradoxical and nonsensical then the 180 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: notion of Title nine, which once upon time was brought 181 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: to place specifically because literally, because men and women are 182 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: different when it comes to lunk capacity, when it comes 183 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: to bone density, when it comes to muscle mass, when 184 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: it comes to stamina everything when it comes to athletic competition. 185 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: That was why the Billie Jean Kings the world fought 186 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: for title nine. And now when the name of title nine, 187 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: you're trying to eradicate and abolish that distinction. To borrow 188 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: from Alice Wonderland, this is literally just through the looking glass. 189 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: By the way, another banger of a question from Justice 190 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas, the other man on the court who holds 191 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: down the solidly originalist constitutionalist flank. Justice Thomas was grilling 192 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: one of the transgender plaintiffs lawyers by asking the following hypothetical. 193 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: He said, quote, let's take, for example, an individual male 194 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: who is not a good athlete, say a lousy tennis player, 195 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: and does not make the men's team, and then wants 196 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: to try out for the women's tennis team. And then 197 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: he said, there's no way I'm better than the women's 198 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: tennis players. So the point of this hypothetical that Thomas 199 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 1: is raising is, Okay, well, what's the difference, betwe is 200 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: someone who's just really crap at playing tennis, then let's 201 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: try out the women's team versus someone who subjectively identifies 202 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: as a women and maybe or frankly, maybe not as case, 203 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: maybe actually has the quote unquote surgery. 204 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: What's the difference? 205 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: And frankly, the legal advocate, the lawyer didn't have an 206 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 1: answer because there is no difference. It is essentially the 207 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: exact same thing. Now, there were some moments where the 208 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: rightsng justices were hedging their bets far too much from 209 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: my liking. At one point, Neil Gorsich, who gave us 210 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: the boss doc stink bomb of the Title seven case 211 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty, at one point he was asking 212 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: why trenchgenderism is actually not a protected class. That's unfortunate. 213 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: But overall, I spead the justice to really end up 214 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: coming out here in the right direction. There were moments 215 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: of pause, for sure from Kavanaugh, from Amy Coney, Barrett 216 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: and Neil Gorsich. 217 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: But this is a do or die case, folks. 218 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: If you don't get this right, then, frankly, the US 219 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: Supreme Court can be counted on absolutely nothing. The Court's 220 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: very ability to dictate right and wrong, truth and reason 221 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: comes down to its ability to say, what is a woman? 222 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: Stay with us through the break, we'll be reaped back 223 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: the other side. Welcome back to the program again. Cousin 224 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: Brandon Gil of North Texas of Texas twenty sixth Congraditional 225 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: District will be joining us in just a few moments, 226 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: so make sure not to go anywhere. We really do 227 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: want to hear from Congressman Gil For now, though, we 228 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: are very much still tracking this uprising, and yes it 229 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: is an uprising, albeit a contained uprising at least for now, 230 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: an uprising against Ice and against immigration force fans, really 231 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: against federal law in general. And this is emanating at 232 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: this point from Minneapolis and from the state of Minnesota, 233 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: which continues to find itself at a ground zero of 234 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: all of these great conflagrations. 235 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: I think back to George Floyd. 236 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: George Floyd, his death in twenty twenty was about a 237 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: mile a mile or less from where Renee Good was 238 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: shot by the Ice officer in Minneapolis just last week. 239 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what the people in Minneapolis are drinking there, 240 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: but goodness, gracious, you guys, frankly need to figure out 241 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: what the heck is going on in that state. We 242 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: haven't covered it on the show, how the state of 243 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: Minnesota under Governor Tim Walls and how Jacob Fry, the 244 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: adel Brains leftist mayor of Minneapolis they actually have now 245 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: filed lawsuit. So Jacob Fry along with his counterpart, the 246 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: mayor of Saint Paul, that's the other twin in the 247 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: Twin Cities, they along with the Tim Waltz led state 248 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: of Minnesota, they went ahead and earlier this week on Monday, 249 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: formerly filed a lawsuit against Christy Noam, who is the 250 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, and in this 251 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: lawsuit the Attorney General of the state, Keith Ellison, who 252 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: has some shall we say, rather do beous historical connections 253 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: to care the Council of America's Nono Relations which was 254 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: founded as a Hamas Muslim brotherhood front group in the 255 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: United States. 256 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that you want. 257 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: Keith Elson to be your legal spokesman for a case 258 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: like this, but okay, you do you Minnesota. Again, I 259 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: don't really know what's going on the water out there. 260 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: So this lawsuit from Keith Ellison read in parts as follows. 261 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: He said, quote we alleged that the search she's on 262 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: here about the ice employments to Minneapolis. 263 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: He's saying, we. 264 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: Allege that the surge, the reckless impact on our schools 265 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: and our local law enforcement is a violation of the 266 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Tenth Amendment and the sovereign laws and powers of the 267 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: Constitution grants the states. Let's ask a trivia question and 268 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: then I will pause and give the answer. But why 269 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: do you take a moment to really think about this 270 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: when you hear a law enforcement official from a state say, 271 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: do we object to federal law enforcement here in our jurisdiction. 272 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: It's a violation of the Tenth Amendment, it's a violation 273 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: of the sovereign laws and the powers granted to the state. 274 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: Part of my terrible Southern accent, But what do you 275 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: think of when you hear that language. Oh yeah, that's 276 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: literally what the Confederacy argued. I mean, call him Keith Jefferson, 277 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: Davis Ellison. This is incredible stuff. This is absolutely incredible 278 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: neo Confederate stuff. I haven't been this drum for years, 279 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: ever since the first Trump era rise of so called 280 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: sanctuary cities. My very first instinct, my legal minds immediately 281 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: goes and says, oh my god, this is literally John C. 282 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: Calhoun all over again. This is literally John C. Calhoun's 283 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: nullification theory, the notion that these states can just nullify 284 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: federal law. Guess what you can't do it. How do 285 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: I know that? Well, among other ways, I know that 286 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: we have that whole thing called the supremacy Clause in 287 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: the Constitution, in Article six, which very clearly says that 288 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: the Constitution and the laws and treaties pass pursued into 289 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: it are the law of the land. In other words, 290 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: federal court opinions are not the quote unquote law of 291 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: the land, and state laws are not the law of 292 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: the land to the extent that they are superseded and 293 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: supplanted by federal law within the police powers of the state. 294 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: State laws, of course the law of the land. 295 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: This is America's unique federalism constitutional structure, one of the 296 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: great innovations for liberty in the history of Western political thought. 297 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: But when you're hearing out in Minnesota, this is not federalism. 298 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: This is a bastardization of federalism. This is federalism turned 299 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: on its head. This is Confederate federalism. It's not actual 300 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: American constitutional law federalism. Donald Trump, incidentally, early today on Wednesday, 301 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: January fourteenth, putting on truth socials, something that I've been 302 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: calling for again, not to my own horror, but I've 303 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: been calling this for a very long time. Donald Trump 304 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: calling for all federal funding to sanctuary jurisdictions, these neo 305 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: Confederate bastions to be cut off. On February first, he 306 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: put on true social quote, effective February first, no more 307 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: payments will be made by the federal government to states 308 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: for the corrupt criminal protection centers known as sanctuary cities. 309 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: All they do is breed crime and violence. Thank you, 310 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: mister President. This phrase he should have happened a long 311 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: time ago, but better certainly late than never. They have 312 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: all the power in the world, that is to say, 313 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: the federal government to do this. Under a late nineteen 314 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: eighties U Supreme Court president a case called South Dakota 315 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: versus Dole, Essentially the federal governments can, indeed they absolutely can, 316 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: condition federal funding going to states, municipalities, and localities and 317 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: condition that upon the state, locality, municipality upon them assisting 318 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: the federal government in the enforcement federal awe in the 319 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 1: South Coda Versus Dole case that came with the national 320 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: drinking age of twenty one years old, but it can 321 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: apply to any other context. So you can one thousand 322 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: percent say no law enforcements funding from the federal taxpayer 323 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: from the DOJ, block rent, etc. Is going to go 324 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: to the states or the City of Minneapolis. All that 325 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: unless you're actually going to assist us, and you better 326 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: not be obstructing us, that's for sure. Jacob Fry one 327 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: of the plaints I suppose in this ludicrous Minnesota in 328 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: Twin Cities lawsuit against DHS. He was actually on Fox 329 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: News earlier today where he was grilled by the host Rev. Jenkins, 330 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: and I'm on the top ass that came up with 331 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: was whether or not the mayor actually himself supports the 332 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: abolition of ice. 333 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: Go ahead and watch this on Fox. He is milliar today. 334 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 5: I do not support abolishing ice. However, I absolutely oppose 335 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 5: the way that this administration is conducting themselves with us. Look, 336 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 5: there are a number of entities presently agencies, But isn't 337 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 5: that what your lawsuit is about, that are conducting themselves. No, 338 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 5: you should read the lawsuit. The lawsuit says that, hey, 339 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 5: you know, so ice doing ice stuff is not what 340 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 5: we're talking about right now. Again, we've had ice in 341 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 5: our city before, we've had ice in our state before. 342 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 5: It is the fact that look, right now, there's about 343 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 5: three thousand federal ice agents in our city between ICE 344 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 5: and border control. You know how many police officers that 345 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 5: we have, six hundred. 346 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so he's clearly equivocating here. They basically are saying, Ice, 347 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to work here. I mean, I just 348 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: read you've verbatim what Keith Ellison, the Attorney General, had 349 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: to say there. 350 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: He's making this absurd John C. 351 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: Calhoun Confederate arguments about how US's law enforcement operations are 352 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: prohibited by the tenth Amendment. And now you have this 353 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: addle brains young leftist mayor saying, ah, you know what, actually, 354 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: you know what, calling too abolish Ice maybe just maybe 355 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: that's a crazy lunatic left wing stands that might inhibit 356 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: might rise up the Democratic Party political ladder. So he's 357 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: kind of equivocating here. But the Fox who's host grip Jenkings, 358 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: is great credit and actually grilled a little bit further. 359 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: Here's more from that same interview. 360 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 5: We have had perhaps tens of thousands of people peacefully 361 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 5: protesting in the streets and at the same time, yeah, 362 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 5: they are going to stand up for their neighbors. And 363 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 5: what we are seeing time and time again is unconstitutional 364 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 5: conduct by Ice. ICE is not new. Our separation ordinance 365 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 5: in the city is not new. This has been around 366 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 5: for decades, so his our separation ordinance. 367 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: What is new. 368 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 5: What is new is the way that the Trump administration 369 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 5: is presently conducting themselves. Now again murder or yep, we 370 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 5: do have a loss. 371 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about this. 372 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: Think back the last edgment about the transgender athletic argument 373 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: earlier on the show, when we discussed how the lawyer 374 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: for the transendallyitigants was like, uh, I beg your pardner. 375 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: She essentially pretended to Justice Alido that you couldn't hear 376 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: his question why because she didn't have the courage of 377 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: her nonsensical convictions. So too, look at look at just 378 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: the body language of Jacob Fry. He's kind of like, 379 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, anyone who's done a television hit 380 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: knows you look into the camera, you make eye contact. 381 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: He's he's standing there and being like, oh, I mean 382 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: he can't make eye contact with the interviewer, Griff Jenkins. 383 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: This is a man who knows that he has lost 384 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: the argument, and they've lost the argument from mentally. The 385 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: so called sanctury jurisdictions for a very simple reason, not 386 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: only the supremacy Claus Wargo sixth the Constitution, that whole 387 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: thing called, oh yeah, this civil war itself. This country 388 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: was taken to the brink of all breaks, brother versus brother, 389 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: households divided over this very argument whether or not these 390 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: states can just declare that federal law enforcement cannot show 391 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: up they are in their local doorstep. We fought a 392 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: bloody civil war over this. Well over half a million people, 393 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: six hundred plus thousand Americans of both sides combined dead slaughtered. 394 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: The Linconian refounding America promised that federal law is supreme. 395 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: And I am sick of these neo Confederate Democrats tried 396 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: or ten like it's not it's garbage. I don't buy 397 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: it for a freaking second. So every so often I 398 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: fill in for Salem's own Mark Davis on six sixty 399 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: A and then are Dallas for the affiliate, And one 400 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: of my freaking guests that I bring out when I'm 401 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: guest hosting for Mark Davis in the Great Day of 402 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: Texas is our guest now making I believe his main 403 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: appearance on my own show, The Josh Hammer Show, and 404 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: that is Congressman Brandon Yelle, Congressman Brandon gill is the 405 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: congress from Texas twenty sixth Congressional district. He is the 406 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: youngest member of the House Republican Caucus and pretty much unambiguously, 407 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: I would say, a rising star in the mad world. 408 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: He's also just a wonderful person who I've had the 409 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: privilege knowing for some time now. So, Brandon, we really 410 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: appreciate you start by to join the Josh Hammer Show, 411 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: making some time out of your very busy schedule. 412 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: I want to just dive right in here. 413 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: About a week ago, Brandon, you were making lots of 414 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: waves for this pretty viral hearing on Somaldi fraud. Some 415 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: of the numbers that you were citing there from the 416 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: lecturn in Congress, I think we're staggering, even for some 417 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: of us who do this day today for a living. 418 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: Can you just recite for those who missed this hearing 419 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: last week, this viral hearing that's all over social media. 420 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: Can can you just reiterate some of what you and 421 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: your staff have found when it comes to how the 422 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: Somali community in Minnesota is assimilating or frankly not assimilating 423 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: at this moment. 424 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 6: First of all, thanks for having me on the show. 425 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 6: The numbers are astounding. So if you look at just 426 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 6: the Somali immigrant community in Minnesota and you ask what 427 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 6: percentage of that community is on welfare, the number is 428 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 6: eighty one percent. Eighty one percent of Somali headed households 429 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 6: in Minnesota are on welfare. And if you ask yourself, 430 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 6: which I think is even more damning, what percentage of 431 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 6: Somali headed households who have been in the United States 432 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 6: for ten years or longer, in other words, people who 433 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 6: should have assimilated, should have, you know, sort of got 434 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 6: themselves on their feet already, shouldn't be a public burden. 435 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 6: What percentage of them remain on welfare? And the number 436 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 6: is seventy eight percent. In other words, there is virtually 437 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 6: no assimilation happening in this community. These are people who 438 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 6: have come into the United States and instead of trying 439 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 6: to live the American dream, they've realized that they can 440 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 6: leech off of the American tax payer, and that's what 441 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 6: they're doing. And again, seventy eight percent as an astounding rate. 442 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 6: And I think you or I would be upset about 443 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 6: any population that has a welfare rate, particularly an immigrant 444 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 6: population who we allowed into our country out of the 445 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 6: goodness of our hearts to come into America and make 446 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 6: their own way. But to see this and then add 447 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 6: on top of that the fraud, it's deeply insulting. 448 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: Conson Brandon Gill very much a rising star in the 449 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: magmoon follow him on x at Rep. 450 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: Branding Gill. Congressmen, you know you night have passed. 451 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: We discussed a little bit on the topic, but I 452 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: thought we would do so perhaps a greater length right 453 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: now in our conversation today, which is what does all 454 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: this say, not just about the state of the welfare state. 455 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot to say about that, So feel free 456 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: to take a bite of that app well, if you're 457 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: so inclined. But me, I'm always thinking, as you know, 458 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: the congressman, about immigration. I am of the opinion that 459 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: immigration is the most important issue in America because it's 460 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: the issue that faces literally everything else. It touches crime, 461 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: It touches cost of living, and touches security, day to 462 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: day livelihood. It touches frankly, who we are as we 463 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: the people, as the people who are sovereign this country. 464 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: So why do you take a crack then at both 465 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: those apples? What are the lessons here about the welfare states, 466 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: and frankly, what it seems to be the many holes 467 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: in that welfare state, and also just the ever pressing 468 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: question as to what immigration lessons we ought to learn 469 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: act upon from this whole mess. 470 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 6: Right, Well, I agree with you one hundred percent that 471 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 6: immigration is the biggest issue in the country today, starting 472 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 6: with the welfare state. 473 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 5: Though. 474 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 6: You know, you have states like Minnesota who have programs 475 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 6: that are administered by the state but are funded by 476 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 6: federal tax payers, meaning everybody all over the country is 477 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 6: paying for this. And in Minnesota they've realized that they can. 478 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 6: The Democrats and power of realize that they can virtually 479 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 6: buy off voters by giving them free stuff. And if 480 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 6: that means that some of these programs are being defrauded 481 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 6: to the tune of nine billion dollars, as seems to 482 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 6: be the case in Minnesota, you're okay with that. In 483 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 6: other words, the welfare state becomes a tool for Democrats 484 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 6: to use to not only buy off votes, but to 485 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 6: weaponize against Republicans and against the American tax payer. But 486 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 6: I think you're right on the importance of immigration here, 487 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 6: and that's what makes this so deeply offensive. You know, 488 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 6: immigration is something that touches every aspect of American life. 489 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 6: It impacts how long you know your weight line is 490 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 6: at the hospital, the quality of your kid's public education. 491 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 6: It impacts the safety as you're driving on the roads. 492 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 6: It impacts the scale and scope of federal services and 493 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 6: how resilient they are, and how economically viable you are. 494 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 6: I mean, it really touches everything, not to mention, you know, 495 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 6: the cultural foundation of the country. And I think the 496 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 6: thing about the Somali fraud is these are people that 497 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 6: we allowed to come into our country as a result 498 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 6: of a deliberate policy choice in nineteen ninety, which is 499 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 6: only you know, five years ago, there were virtually no 500 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 6: Somalis in the United States. You and I both know. 501 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 6: We know American history. Somalis didn't come to the United 502 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 6: States on the Mayflower. This is a very recent recent 503 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 6: immigrant population. And what we would expect is we would 504 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 6: expect if you come into the United States and we 505 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 6: give you the gifts of the of the freedom and 506 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 6: the economic opportunity and cultural stability of the United States, 507 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 6: that you would take it, live live the American dream, 508 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 6: become self sufficient, be a productive member of your community. 509 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 6: And that's not what is happening, and I think that 510 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 6: that's not just for the Somali community. There are many other, 511 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 6: many other communities who I think would be in the 512 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 6: same bucket. But I think that's what makes this so 513 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 6: deeply insulting to Americans across the country. 514 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to me that the broader philosophical question. 515 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: I don't normally ask all our guests philosophical questions, but 516 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: you happen to be of a higher intellectual caligory, I 517 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: think than many in the elected official class. Congressman gill So, 518 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: I think the logical corollary to that is, you know, 519 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: talking about the Mayflower, talking about nineteen nineties immigration and 520 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: the demonstrable statistical failures of immigration that we're seeing, unfortunately 521 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: out of the same Minnesota. 522 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 2: I think the question that is. 523 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: Raises a question that that Charlie Kirk himself was asking 524 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: a lot in the final year of his tragically truncated life, 525 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: which is what actually is an American? I mean, I mean, 526 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: you have this notion of American as kind of this 527 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: pure credal nation of the principles of the Declaration. We're 528 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: obviously coming up on the two undred fiftyth anniversary of 529 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: the United States. Then you have some other folks who 530 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: take a suddenly more let's call it blood and soil approach. 531 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: I personally take something of a middle view there. I'm 532 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: sure you've given this some thought, Congressman, especially in light 533 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: of what we're seeing in Minnesota. How should we think 534 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: of what it means to be an American? 535 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 6: You know, I think that that you frame that really well. 536 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 6: There's on one side the blood and soil blood and 537 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 6: soil view, on the other side the view that America 538 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 6: is a creedal nation. I also take sort of a 539 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 6: middle view, And the way I would put it is that, 540 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 6: you know, the United States is a kind that is 541 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 6: bound by certain certain ideologies, certain tenets. There's a cultural 542 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 6: foundation that people can assimilate into, that you can be 543 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 6: grafted into, and that's a belief in American exceptionalism. It 544 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 6: is a belief in a sort of a limited government, 545 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 6: individual liberty, a rugged individualism. I think is are core 546 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 6: tenets of that. But I think that we also recognize 547 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 6: that the United States isn't simply a set of beliefs. 548 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 6: We're a real people with a real historical experience that 549 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 6: underlies those beliefs and that influences them that if you 550 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 6: took you know, if you took any other community and 551 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 6: brought in you know, let's say we're in the year 552 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 6: sixteen hundred and brought them into the New World and 553 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 6: created a new country, America would look very different than 554 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 6: it does today. We're a country that is a result 555 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 6: of a distinctly Protestant European background. And again that's not 556 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 6: to say that people of other faith, of other religious beliefs, 557 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 6: of other sort of cultural influences cannot become fully American, 558 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 6: but it is to say that our culture, our our culture, 559 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 6: our country is uniquely and distinctly influenced by that that 560 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 6: that sort of historical and cultural foundation. We are a 561 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 6: real people who have been here for a long time. 562 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 6: But but we do have an ideology that binds us 563 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 6: together as well. 564 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more on that, Commers of 565 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: Brandon Gill and gun you follow him on x at Rep. 566 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: Brandon Gill Carsman, just have a few seconds left here, 567 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: so really quick, if if you can, what is the 568 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: number one domestic legislative priority that you find yourself working 569 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: on at this time and what should we be looking 570 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: out for in the months ahead. 571 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, but in the immediate future. We're working on continuing 572 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 6: to get to the bottom of this Somali fraud, to 573 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 6: understand the scope of it, to understand who were the 574 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 6: players who knew about what was happening. One of the 575 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 6: things that we learned in the hearing last week, which 576 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 6: I think we all suspected, was that Governor wallas Is 577 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 6: known about this from day one. He had deliberately turned 578 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 6: turned his face away from this because he knew that 579 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 6: this was a major Democrat voting block that he wanted 580 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 6: to court, and he was willing to allow his own 581 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 6: people to be defrauded in order to get their votes, essentially, 582 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 6: So we're trying to understand more about that. We're going 583 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 6: to have it hearing in the next few weeks where 584 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 6: we expect to have Governor Waltz come in and tests by. 585 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 6: And the next step after that is to see what's 586 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 6: going on in other states, because I think that Minnesota 587 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 6: is likely the tip of the iceberg. We're going to 588 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 6: be looking at Ohio, We're going to be looking at California, 589 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 6: in other parts of the country where this could be well. 590 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out what you guys find there. 591 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: Congressman gill An honor of privilege. Thank you so much 592 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: for joining the Josh Shimers Show today. We really appreciate it. 593 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 6: Thanks for having me. 594 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: Thanks to Congressman Brandi Gill for stopping by again. Folks, 595 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: I would just say this one final time. Look, we 596 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: are fairly judicious when it comes to our surveying of 597 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: the Republican election official class. There are lots of rhinos. 598 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: There are a lot of adult brain's backbenchers when it 599 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: comes to state legislatures. When it comes to the federal Congress, 600 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: there are a lot of folks there who are just 601 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: deeply cynical, and deeply ambitious, and frankly just don't care 602 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: about anything other than making a name for themselves. Somethinking 603 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: of folks like, oh, for instance, Marjorie Taylor Green, who, 604 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: thank goodness, is no longer in the US Congress, there's 605 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: plenty of that. There's plenty of that garbage. What is 606 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: rarer is where you have someone who is really grounded, 607 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: who is really principled, who, as is said, has actually 608 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: done the reading. Brandon Gill genuinely is one such individual, 609 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: and he and his lovely wife, Danielle Desuse Gill our 610 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: colleague here at Salem Media, his father in law and 611 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: Deneshasuza just a wonderful, wonderful family. And make sure to 612 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: keep your eye again on Congressman Brandon gill And he 613 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: is all over this Somali fraud's story. He's all over 614 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: this this Ice story in general. If you think about 615 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: all we've talked about on today's show, when it comes 616 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: to the biological fight at the nation's highest court over 617 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: what it means to be a woman, when it comes 618 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: to this absurd lawsuit that Minnesota and the Twin Cities 619 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: Minneapolis and Saint Paul have filed against the federal governments. 620 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: This lawsuit that is reeking, that is reeking of anti 621 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: Bellum Jefferson Davis, John C. Calhoun's style, neo Confederate gobbledegook. 622 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,719 Speaker 1: When it comes to this Tenth Amendment States rights supremacy 623 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: and inversion over the actual constitutional structure embedded in Article six. 624 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: When we think about this pilfering of billions and billions 625 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: of dollars, this defrauding of the federal taxpayer, when it 626 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: comes to the welfare state. To me, what is really 627 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: tying all these trands together is that America prospers when 628 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: the rule of law one exists, two is enforced, and 629 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: three reflects reality. The most obvious way that the law can, 630 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: indeed must reflect reality is to reflect literal, like the 631 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: actual flesh of human beings reality. That's why this current 632 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: case before the Screen Court is such a big deal. 633 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: If they cannot get this right, if they cannot get 634 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: this right in terms of defining what is a man 635 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: was woman, then we should have no confidence whatsoever that 636 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: they can get anything right. Again, I'm cautiously optimistic. I 637 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: mean a little more than the cost. I think the 638 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: Idaho West Virginia will prevail. Frankly, it is a five 639 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: alarm fire of the absolute worst variety if they don't prevail. 640 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: But we'll cross their bridge as pose if we get 641 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: to it. When it comes to trying to quash this 642 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: neo Confederate sentiment out of Minnesota with all the fraud 643 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: happening there, as we discussed with the congressmen, when it 644 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: comes to all of this anti ice insurrectionary behavior there, 645 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump really must do, as we said earlier in 646 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: the show, what he called to do, which is to 647 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: defund the so called sanctuary cities. And it's even more 648 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: than that. You have to defund them, and yes, send 649 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: in as much ice or as much National Guard as 650 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: you darn well police. You cannot be blackmailed by the 651 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: ghost of John C. 652 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 2: Calhoun. You cannot bow and back. 653 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: Down and refuse to enforce the law because a bunch 654 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: of addle brained Neo Confederates say that the law cannot 655 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: come into my jurisdiction. The law must reign supreme. The 656 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: rule of law, frankly, is one of the many things 657 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: that fits into this broader puzzle. As we also discussed 658 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: with the congressman as to what is an American. The 659 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: United States Constitution is the apex the culmination of millennia 660 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: of Western political theory, all of these ideas about what 661 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: is justice, what is law, what is or ought to 662 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: be the relationship between a man and state, and frankly, 663 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: God Almighty in the heavens, all this thought that started 664 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: thousand years ago with the Bible, started with the ancient 665 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: Greeks with the Romans, continued for centuries and centuries and 666 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: places such as Europeissance the Enlightenment into this that in 667 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: many ways the apex of man made governance, not governance 668 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: in the evidence, but the apex of man made governance 669 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: came with the Declaration of Independents, whose two and fifty 670 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: anniversary we will celebrate this year, and the Constitution ratified 671 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: in seventeen eighty seven, eleven years after the Declaration was 672 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: signed by those very courageous men who pledged their lives, 673 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: their fortune, and their sacred honor. Among the many things 674 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: that was embedded in that constitutional framework was this notion 675 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: of the rule of law. The founders cared immensely the 676 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: preserving a durable rule of law, that is why they 677 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: were so careful. But how they allocated power between the 678 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: various branches to Article won the Congress, to Article two, 679 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: to the executive branch, and too Article three the Congress 680 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: are the jiciary. 681 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 2: Excuse me. 682 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: That's why they were so careful about how they divided 683 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: power between the federal government and the states. 684 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 2: As well. 685 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: They were deeply meticulous about us. As James Madison wrote 686 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: in the Federalist Number fifty one, ambition must be made 687 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: to counteract ambition, because men are not angels. We are men, 688 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: and therefore we have to devise schemes of garmental structure 689 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: that will constrain the worst impulses of human behavior. I 690 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: would argue that among those worst impulses are of the 691 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: impulses of those like Keith Ellison in Minnesota who are 692 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: saying as a subordinate legal entity a state again is 693 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: sovereign in their own legitimate jurisdiction, but they are not 694 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: sovereign when it comes to federal law. That is example 695 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: of how in this case Trumpian ambition to use the 696 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: Manesonian framework of Federals fifty one Trumpian emission must be 697 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: made to counteract Keith Ellison's nefarious, deeply cynical ambition. That 698 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: means more law enforcement, more ICE, more DHS, more National guards, 699 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: more defunding, and for God's sake, crush this outrageous. 700 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 2: Lawsuit coming out of Minnesota. 701 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: It's hard not to think about these themes of the 702 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: Declaration of the Constitution, all these grand American philosophical legal documents, 703 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: our National Charter, our national ethos e plurbus unum. Out 704 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: of many one, it's very hard for me at least 705 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: to look at the situation over in Iran and not 706 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 1: think a lot about this. We talked a lot about 707 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: Iran in the past few days, and we will continue 708 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 1: to talk about it, i'm sure over the next few days. 709 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: For now, the ball is still in Donald Trump's court, 710 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: He's been presented with options. After he got back from 711 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: an economic talk in Detroit, Michigon yesterday, after we got 712 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: back to Washington, DC, he met with his advisory team, 713 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: the vice president, Cabinet, etc. And they assessed options, no doubt, 714 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: including kinetic military action, cyber attacks. Also's rather options on 715 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: the table as well. Right now, we think according to 716 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: Iran International, which again is the voice of the Iranian 717 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: dissidents of the Iranian diaspora, we think that at least 718 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: twelve thousand people have been wantonly slaughtered by the regime. 719 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: That's a lot of people in a very short time. 720 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: We're roughly three weeks into these protests. It's a lot 721 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: of people in a very short time. A lot CBS 722 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: News reporting uppers of twenty thousand plus deaths. Hard to know, 723 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 1: it's very difficult to get ultra reliable information, but it's 724 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: a lot. Suffice to say, it's a lot. These images 725 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: that you're seeing on social media of these protesters going 726 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: out in the streets of Tehran and all throughout the country, 727 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: who are out there chanting for freedom, chanting for the 728 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: end of the Ayatola's reign of terror, chanting for the Crown, 729 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: Prince Raizapalavi, the exiled Shah to come back and lead 730 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: this country. They know that by stepping from in the 731 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: street and saying what they're saying, that they could be 732 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: killed at any moment's notice. And sure enough, most of 733 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: the twelve to twenty fives, whatever the number is of 734 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: writing to being killed, have been killed in acts of 735 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: coronated shooting by the IRGC, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, 736 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: and their various constituent subgroups. So they know that they 737 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: could be killed any moment simply for stepping outside and 738 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: for trying to bring freedom back home to their country. 739 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 2: Folks. 740 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: This coming July fourth is the two to fiftieth anniversary 741 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. It was 742 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: the first of the two milestones, the other being the 743 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: ravication of the Constitution eleven years later. Of this amazing 744 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: experiment and ordered liberty from one generation to the next. 745 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: This notion of we the people could sent to the 746 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: government of ordered liberty, of rule of law, separation of powers, federalism, 747 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: a biblical inheritance, a Judeo Christian worldview. 748 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 2: This is who we are. 749 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: I've spent a lot on social media a lot of time. 750 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: It's very easy to get black pilt out there. Don't 751 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: lose hope in this country. Don't become one of the 752 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: black pillars. Don't start comparing America to North Korea or 753 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: Venezuela or Cuba. America is still good. 754 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 2: I'm jodge Hammer. I hope you enjoy today's show. We'll 755 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 2: be right back tomorrow