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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It
Speaker 2: is February twenty six had a great time in our
Speaker 2: nation's capital. But in the let's just say, in the
Speaker 2: tradition of Charlie, I was all too eager to get
Speaker 2: the heck out because you know, you don't want to
Speaker 2: stay there too long. Rockch your brain, Evil city. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: you know it's weird. I went to this Capitol Hill
Speaker 2: club where you know, it's like all the lobbyists hangout
Speaker 2: and stuff. I got invited there as a it's the Republic, Yes,
Speaker 2: I think that's the but it was like a zoo
Speaker 2: trip is like going to the zoo. You see them
Speaker 2: in there, they're like they're like, well, you know, they're
Speaker 2: caged habitat and it was. It was very very illuminating. Anyways,
Speaker 2: so I we got to hit this. There's lots of
Speaker 2: stories going on. We've got our eyes on what's going
Speaker 2: on in Geneva because you know, there was a report
Speaker 2: from Jennifer Griffin at Fox News saying that, you know,
Speaker 2: I think her quote was, let's be clear, if talks
Speaker 2: fail in Geneva, we will be at war. America will
Speaker 2: be at war sometime next next week. We're watching that
Speaker 2: very very closely. Uh, let's pray for peace, Let's play
Speaker 2: pray for diplomacy. We don't want wars in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: We just don't. You know, Charlie learned to trust President
Speaker 2: Trump's decision making process and to make hard decisions. These
Speaker 2: are these are difficult decisions. But we're watching that. So
Speaker 2: we got to get though. And there's an FBI story,
Speaker 2: there's a Minniapolis fraud story that's gonna be a bit yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get to it. We're gonna get to it.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll ask Ron Johnson, who's coming up in the
Speaker 2: half hour at hour one here, so we can ask
Speaker 2: him about that. But we got to tackle this Epstein thing.
Speaker 2: I had a revelation last night. So I'm flying home
Speaker 2: and I get into a debate via text because I'm
Speaker 2: on a plane with a very prominent left wing uh
Speaker 2: TV host. All right, so we're having this debate, and
Speaker 2: it becomes very clear to me while we were paying
Speaker 2: attention to the State of the Union, while we were
Speaker 2: paying attention to this speech from President Trump, this this
Speaker 2: tent enlarging speech where I think he hit so many
Speaker 2: of the right notes, and he completely seemed to hit
Speaker 2: Mark Alprin's tweet that Tony Fabrizio presentation, you know, banning
Speaker 2: stock trading for Congress, et cetera, et cetera. He did
Speaker 2: what he needed to do. That being said, the other
Speaker 2: side of the aisle is fixated on this Epstein bombshell
Speaker 2: from MPR. I didn't realize the depth of it because
Speaker 2: I live in the real world and they live in
Speaker 2: the get Trump at all costs world. But here's where
Speaker 2: it gets really interesting. So there you go, NPR Justice
Speaker 2: Department withheld and removed some Epstein files related to Trump.
Speaker 2: So that's the allegation that the statute said that President
Speaker 2: Trump was supposed to release all of these documents. He
Speaker 2: did not, that's the claim. So I didn't realize how
Speaker 2: in depth this was. But then you find out, you know,
Speaker 2: gen Z TikTok is all about blackmail and Trump, and
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not buying that Trump is exonerated.
Speaker 3: People who primarily get their news through this program or
Speaker 3: similar programs, I think they need to understand there is
Speaker 3: a pretty large chunk of America that is substantially on TikTok,
Speaker 3: substantially on x substantial nine Instagram YouTube, where like this
Speaker 3: is the number one and arguably only story in the
Speaker 3: entire world. Is various things around emanating from Epstein.
Speaker 2: It is tapped into and a lot of you in
Speaker 2: this audience care about it a great deal. I care
Speaker 2: about it a great deal. And let's just start with
Speaker 2: brass tacks. If you are a pedophile, I think you
Speaker 2: should be arrested, held accountable, death penalty, simple as that.
Speaker 2: If you touched a little child, underage girl, you should
Speaker 2: be thrown into jail, probably killed, executed, and then into
Speaker 2: the depths of hell. No problem there. But what we
Speaker 2: also have to be clear about is we have to
Speaker 2: follow facts. We have to actually follow what is provable.
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons that we don't as a
Speaker 2: country historically just released grand jury testimony is because it's
Speaker 2: not definitive all the time. It can be conclusory if
Speaker 2: it's conclusory, but it could also just be a lot
Speaker 2: of random grand jury.
Speaker 3: As it was pointed out I believe by the President
Speaker 3: even last summer. A grand jury is the rare situation
Speaker 3: where you can say stuff that would otherwise be totally
Speaker 3: defamatory if you uttered it in other contexts because it's
Speaker 3: too a grand jury and they can weigh whether it
Speaker 3: is actually true, likely to be true, or not right
Speaker 3: and now we've just taken that and given it out
Speaker 3: and given it to the Internet to do what the
Speaker 3: Internet does. Now, some of that can be really good,
Speaker 3: and we keep asking questions, we keep asking questions that
Speaker 3: can be really good. But when it turns into like,
Speaker 3: you know, this government official is eating little babies and
Speaker 3: whatever because some random email came through and it's in
Speaker 3: these three million documents, it can literally cause the Internet
Speaker 3: brain rot that you're seeing right now. And so this
Speaker 3: is why I want to address it, because it's young
Speaker 3: people especially that are buying into some of the more
Speaker 3: ridiculous claims.
Speaker 2: Now, Jeffrey Epstein is evil. He was a pedophile, he
Speaker 2: was a sexual predator. He was using prostitution and soliciting
Speaker 2: young women in Palm Beach. President Trump in two thousand
Speaker 2: and six called was one of the first people that called.
Speaker 2: That's according to the files, the first people that call.
Speaker 2: Prominent people. That call was President Trump saying thank you
Speaker 2: finally getting this monster. Yeah, that's a document from the
Speaker 2: FBI this two thousand and six. This is before Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein was even indicted as a sexual predator. Okay, but
Speaker 2: here's the deal. So the salacious allegations that MPI reported
Speaker 2: about President Trump are ridiculous and let me explain why.
Speaker 2: This is what they left out of the story. The woman,
Speaker 2: who was interviewed for the first time by the FBI
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, claimed that she was thirteen in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three when her mother put her out for an
Speaker 2: ad to be a babysitter, and that Jeffrey Epstein lured
Speaker 2: her to her house in South Carolina on the promise
Speaker 2: of a babysitting job. Here's the problem. Even Jeffrey Epstein's brother,
Speaker 2: other Mark Hoop, seems to be a pretty straight shooter
Speaker 2: on this stuff. He wants to find out who killed
Speaker 2: his brother. Doesn't believe he committed suicide, so that's his motivation.
Speaker 2: He's never been accused of any wrongdoing or being involved
Speaker 2: in his brother's crimes. He said he never had a
Speaker 2: house in South Carolina, never summered in South Carolina. She
Speaker 2: says that Epstein then gave her cocaine and alcohol before
Speaker 2: forcing her into oral sex. It was in a later
Speaker 2: FBI interview that she even mentioned allegations against President Trump.
Speaker 2: This is uncredible for many reasons. Epstein never had a
Speaker 2: residence in South Carolina, like I said Epstein was known
Speaker 2: to never do alcohol or drugs, and every other allegation
Speaker 2: against him starts with a massage, not drug fueled sexual acts.
Speaker 2: There was also another bizarre moment when this woman identified
Speaker 2: Epstein using a photo that she claimed needed a crop
Speaker 2: in order to not implicate additional individuals. Well, this was
Speaker 2: a well known photo that was a picture of President
Speaker 2: Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, So she already had this picture
Speaker 2: of Trump. And anyways, on top of that, the woman's
Speaker 2: lawyer who set this whole interview up is Lisa Bloom,
Speaker 2: who is also responsible for a very bogus Katie Johnson
Speaker 2: allegation that was laughed out of court in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: So NPR doesn't include any of the exculpatory evidence for
Speaker 2: President Trump. They don't include the fact that he was
Speaker 2: the first person to speak out against Jeffrey Epstein. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I can tell you you're ready to jump in.
Speaker 3: Well, it's I think it's helpful to zoom out because
Speaker 3: it's such a suffocatingly complex story, three million documents, it's
Speaker 3: been going on for years. The big picture you need
Speaker 3: to know here is the President was vindicated on something
Speaker 3: very important that he's warned last summer, which is a
Speaker 3: lot of people are going to just get recklessly accused
Speaker 3: of things that there's not evidence for if we go
Speaker 3: all in on this, which Congress did, and as a result,
Speaker 3: all these documents have come out. They're filled with a
Speaker 3: lot of them completely silacious or mentally ill or anonymous
Speaker 3: allegations that there's no evidence for. And what they're this
Speaker 3: NPR article is how this is going to end up,
Speaker 3: which is they'll try to get the house next fall
Speaker 3: and they'll try to impeach President Trump on process. They'll
Speaker 3: have no evidence he committed any real crimes, but they'll
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Speaker 2: I gotta keep going. Epstein. So NPR releases a bombshell
Speaker 2: on the day of the State of the Union. We
Speaker 2: don't talk about it because we're talking about the State
Speaker 2: of Union. Meanwhile, Lefty t TikTok, lefty Twitter blue skyle
Speaker 2: of the stuff they're fixated on it. I get into
Speaker 2: an argument with this prominent TV host is left leaning,
Speaker 2: good good person, good person, but uh, you know left.
Speaker 2: So anyways, have this revelation. This is all they care
Speaker 2: about Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Trump, Trump, Trump. So they they
Speaker 2: claim again just to reiterate that they that Trump left
Speaker 2: this stuff out the DOJ on purpose to protect President Trump.
Speaker 2: Here's what they're not telling you. So let's let's deal
Speaker 2: again with the allegations of these these women that they
Speaker 2: claim or removed from the Epstein files. One is a
Speaker 2: woman who called the FBI with a crop photo of
Speaker 2: a widely distributed photograph of Epstein and Trump. Okay, a
Speaker 2: woman who sued the Epstein estate and dismissed her claims
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, a woman and then the third
Speaker 2: a woman who claimed she was abused by Trump but
Speaker 2: refused to cooperate. In other words, total nothing burger from
Speaker 2: a rag outlet NPR who's probably just upset that the
Speaker 2: Fed's pulled their funding. Okay, So none of this is
Speaker 2: actually problematic from a legal standpoint for President Trump. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: But the allegation is he removed these documents or as
Speaker 2: DOJ was doing his bidding to protect him. Well, here's
Speaker 2: the thing. There is massive issues and this is even
Speaker 2: admitted in the MPR article with the timeline that the
Speaker 2: DOJ was given under statute from Congress on this Transparency
Speaker 2: Act to get out the three million documents. Okay, three
Speaker 2: million documents had to get out, and there have been
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of documents that were published and then
Speaker 2: pulled down from the site and then republished a week
Speaker 2: or two later. Because what's happening is all of the victims'
Speaker 2: legal teams and some of the victims directly are saying, hey,
Speaker 2: you put in personally identifiable information in these documents. You
Speaker 2: were supposed to redact them. And the DOJ is saying,
Speaker 2: we're working around the clock in good faith to pull
Speaker 2: down any documents that identify victims. Okay, So if we
Speaker 2: made a mistake, we're sorry. We were trying to, we
Speaker 2: were trying to in good faith meet the statute deadline
Speaker 2: to release these documents. It was impossible to do this perfectly,
Speaker 2: So we're pulling these documents down and putting them back up. Okay.
Speaker 2: So here, let me give you a couple examples. One
Speaker 2: of these interviews that they're saying was removed to protect
Speaker 2: Trump was removed from the DOJ's public files sometime after
Speaker 2: initial publication on January thirty, so they didn't keep them
Speaker 2: out originally. They just removed them after the fact and
Speaker 2: was republished on February nineteenth, according to document metadata. The
Speaker 2: Justice Department told NPR the only reason any file has
Speaker 2: been temporarily removed is that it has been flagged by
Speaker 2: a victim or their council for additional review. Multiple FBI
Speaker 2: interviews with other people refer to the second woman's meeting
Speaker 2: with Trump while she was a minor and being abused
Speaker 2: by Epstein. One interview with a fleeting mention of Trump
Speaker 2: was removed from the public database and subsequently restored last week.
Speaker 2: So they're even admitting that the FBI is pulling things
Speaker 2: down putting it back up when they get complaints about
Speaker 2: personally identifiable information. This is so, let me just give
Speaker 2: you an insight. This is a lawyer of one of
Speaker 2: the victims that is quoted in the MPR piece. His
Speaker 2: name's Robert Glassman. He says the whole thing is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: He told MPR the DOJ was ordered to release information
Speaker 2: to the public to be transparent about Epstein and Maxwell's
Speaker 2: criminal enterprise network. Instead, they released the names of courageous
Speaker 2: victims who have fought hard for decades to remain anonymous
Speaker 2: and out of the limelight, whether disclosures were inadvertin or not.
Speaker 2: They had one job to do here, and they didn't
Speaker 2: do it. A DOJ spokesman replied to this and told
Speaker 2: NPR that the department is working around the clock to
Speaker 2: address concerns from victims and handle additional redactions of personally
Speaker 2: identifiable information that have been flagged. What does this mean.
Speaker 2: It means that the DOJ is treating this as a
Speaker 2: work in progress. They released the three million documents. People
Speaker 2: are going through it, coming through it, The Internet's coming
Speaker 2: through it. There's a lot of crazy stuff in there.
Speaker 2: Some of it's about bodies buried at the New Mexico
Speaker 2: ranch that never been corroborated. The FBI looks into it,
Speaker 2: but you know, the Internet takes that email and assumes
Speaker 2: that it's true. They don't see that the FBI actually
Speaker 2: investigated and debunked it. Okay, So, but there's lots of
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. Some of it has victim information
Speaker 2: and they've pulled it down and then they republish it
Speaker 2: with proper redactions to protect the victims. Because the lawyers
Speaker 2: are on their butts to do it. That doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that they pulled, you know, evidence from the files to
Speaker 2: protect Donald Trump. It means that they have done this
Speaker 2: with literally MPR admits this thousands and thousands and thousands
Speaker 2: of documents from the new release in January thirtieth. So
Speaker 2: they're claiming that President Trump is engaged in a legal
Speaker 2: cover up of allegations against him to protect the presidency. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the DOJ saying we're doing this on a daily basis,
Speaker 2: thousands upon thousands of documents. That doesn't even mention the
Speaker 2: fact that NPR left out all the exculpatory evidence for
Speaker 2: President Trump. Bigger point. This has been turned all upside down.
Speaker 2: There is one party that released the files. There's one
Speaker 2: president that released the files, and there's a party that
Speaker 2: did not, and there's a president who did not, even
Speaker 2: though they were sitting on them. President Trump and the
Speaker 2: Republicans are now getting smeared for releasing the files. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying they handled it perfectly, but they did release
Speaker 2: the files. Guess who didn't the Democrats Joe Biden. Do
Speaker 2: you not think for a moment that they would have
Speaker 2: released those files had there been anything in there that
Speaker 2: they could have nailed Donald Trump on. Absolutely they would have,
Speaker 2: but they chose not to. They sat on them. They
Speaker 2: didn't do anything. They didn't raise a flag. Rocanna didn't
Speaker 2: get up with a supposed victim who may or may
Speaker 2: not have been luring underage women. And he's right after
Speaker 2: the State of the Union. That's what he did, stood
Speaker 2: up alongside a supposed victim who actually has a lot
Speaker 2: of allegations that she was part of the problem, that
Speaker 2: she was luring young underage women in and telling them
Speaker 2: to lie about their age. Rocanna didn't make a fuss
Speaker 2: about this, not until it became a political football that
Speaker 2: they could weaponize against President Trump. Now, all that being said,
Speaker 2: this hit job, this hatchet piece, which is going viral
Speaker 2: on the left, which is going viral on social media,
Speaker 2: especially with gen Z, was intentionally time to derail the
Speaker 2: State of the Union. Now, we didn't make a huge
Speaker 2: mess about it here because we were focused on all
Speaker 2: the good news from the State of the Union. But
Speaker 2: it has to be addressed. And here's what else I'll say.
Speaker 2: Final word, Blake, I don't know if you agree. We
Speaker 2: do need prosecutions, and we talked about this, Mike Davis,
Speaker 2: Reid Hoffman, Bill Gates les wex anybody else that was
Speaker 2: conceivably involved in some nefarious activity, and if it can
Speaker 2: be proved. We are a nation of laws. They have
Speaker 2: to be provable offensive. That's just it. It has to
Speaker 2: be proven. I don't even with that.
Speaker 3: I would say Bill Gates, you have a lot of
Speaker 3: evidence that he was hanging out with this gross guy.
Speaker 2: It should probably damage any admitation he admitted to having
Speaker 2: affairs with two Russian girls. Affairs is embarrassing, affairs prostitution
Speaker 2: is illegal. So if they can get him on that,
Speaker 2: they should, But if they can't, they can't because we
Speaker 2: are a nation of law and order. We are a
Speaker 2: nation of rules. You have to be able to prove
Speaker 2: somebody's guilt. And by the way, that might be frustrating
Speaker 2: when you want to get the people that you think
Speaker 2: did bad things, but it's really really helpful when innocent
Speaker 2: people are getting accused of wrongdoing and have not done so.
Speaker 2: So we have to keep these two ideas in our head.
Speaker 2: We cannot give into the brain rot that is infesting
Speaker 2: in the internet space. You have to follow the law,
Speaker 2: you have to go by the facts, and you have
Speaker 2: to only pursue that which can be proved and I listen.
Speaker 2: I'm all for what the UK is doing to some
Speaker 2: of their people. They're getting people on process crimes. Fine,
Speaker 2: sure do that. Did anybody leak sensitive information? Get them
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Speaker 2: Senator Charlie loved him. Senator, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: I you know, I wanted to just give you the
Speaker 2: opportunity to respond. There was this NPR bombshell article. All
Speaker 2: the allegations against President Trump have been debunked and they're
Speaker 2: uncredible and all this stuff. But more broadly, Senator, what
Speaker 2: do you want to see take place in the Epstein stuff,
Speaker 2: the whole saga.
Speaker 4: Well, guys, well listen. I'd like to get justice for
Speaker 4: the victims. I want to have those individuals who preyed
Speaker 4: on these young women all accountable. I think what's really
Speaker 4: missing from most of the people who are exploring this
Speaker 4: and I'm not I mean, there are plenty of people
Speaker 4: look into this. I've got other fish to fry, basically
Speaker 4: as a chairman of the parmise of coming investigation. So
Speaker 4: I'll let the House do this, I'll let the media.
Speaker 4: But what really is not being explored much is who
Speaker 4: was Jeffrey Empstein, How did he get his funding? Who
Speaker 4: is he working for and with? I mean, the more
Speaker 4: we see of these things, you know, his his involvement
Speaker 4: with Bill Gates and vaccines and the World the Health
Speaker 4: Organization and the World Economic Forum and all those types things.
Speaker 4: This guy was connected to everybody, which is really bizarre.
Speaker 4: I mean that there are many people that made the
Speaker 4: kind of connections he made. What was that all about?
Speaker 4: So again, I'm as curious as anybody, a lot of
Speaker 4: other people do in the investigation. I'll just I'll read
Speaker 4: the executive summary and reports.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know I we're reporting suggests that that's
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton. You know meet that's going on
Speaker 2: is hearing right now up in New York. They're going
Speaker 2: to deny any knowledge of wrongdoing with Jeffrey Epstein. I
Speaker 2: just think it's a real, you know, travesty that President
Speaker 2: Trump and this DOJ that has releasing the files. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying they handled it right. They actually handled it
Speaker 2: terribly at first, the whole bindergate or whatnot. But you know,
Speaker 2: you don't turn them into the villains for actually releasing
Speaker 2: the files when the Democrats were sitting on them for
Speaker 2: years and did nothing, and all of a sudden it's
Speaker 2: political football that they're trying to take advantage of. All right,
Speaker 2: I actually we wanted to have you on because of
Speaker 2: this great Unless you want to respond, Senator.
Speaker 4: Well, I just want to say, you know, those files
Speaker 4: were sitting in the Biden Justice Department for how many years?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 4: What do I have that they haven't been doctored, that
Speaker 4: the bad stuff against Democrats hasn't been deleted. So again,
Speaker 4: I just have no faith in you know, what was
Speaker 4: being produced.
Speaker 2: To any a good point, such a good point. All Right, Senator,
Speaker 2: you made some news yesterday and we're going to get
Speaker 2: to it, but first I want to play this clip
Speaker 2: from the State of the Union. I was in the gallery.
Speaker 2: I saw you down there walking around, shaking hands and
Speaker 2: doing their thing, and I heard you say you really
Speaker 2: had to be in the gallery to understand that the
Speaker 2: tension in the room, that the dynamic in the room.
Speaker 2: And I agree. But here's five oh three, President Trump
Speaker 2: saying past the Save America Act five O three, and.
Speaker 4: Perhaps most importantly, I'm asking you to approve the Save
Speaker 4: America Act to stop illegal aliens and others were unpermitted
Speaker 4: persons from voting in our sacred American elections.
Speaker 2: So this is a mandate from President Trump past the
Speaker 2: Save Act. And you know, you've probably seen some of
Speaker 2: the reports. You know there's a Senator tellis doing a
Speaker 2: dog show. I don't know what's going on, but people
Speaker 2: are upset because this is going on. Meanwhile, we have
Speaker 2: like basically one job the base is demanding from the
Speaker 2: Senate too, and you are now on the side of
Speaker 2: a talking filibuster. Explain what you're thinking is and what
Speaker 2: do you want to see happen.
Speaker 4: Well, let's first place the blame where it really needs
Speaker 4: to squarely be on Democrats. I mean, Democrats are one
Speaker 4: that opened the border flooded in America with millions of
Speaker 4: people into sanctuary states, sanctuary cities, plus up the census,
Speaker 4: get more members of Congress. They oppose any measure to
Speaker 4: secure our elections. In fact, what they're doing is doing
Speaker 4: everything they can to make it easy to cheat. So again,
Speaker 4: the main impediment to Saving America Act is Democrats who
Speaker 4: want to again not have any control over elections that
Speaker 4: they're happy to have your legitimate vote as a conservative
Speaker 4: canceled by one of their fraudulent ones. So they're the
Speaker 4: main impediment. Okay, now in terms of our ability to
Speaker 4: pass it with slim majorities of both the House of
Speaker 4: the Senate. I came out reluctantly agreeing with President Trump
Speaker 4: that it is the day of the filibuster is over.
Speaker 4: It's unfortunately Democrats don't respect the rights of the minority.
Speaker 4: But we know that the next time they're in power,
Speaker 4: they will end the fieldbuster to consolidate their power. They'll
Speaker 4: turn DC Puerto Rico into states, they'll pack the Supreme Court,
Speaker 4: they will pass a national election law to make it
Speaker 4: easier to cheat. So that's what they're going to do.
Speaker 4: So we ought to beat them to the punch. But
Speaker 4: when we do it, we'll do secure border, secure elections
Speaker 4: to provide prosperity for every American. Again, our motives are
Speaker 4: the proper ones for the benef of the American people. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: I have a lot of college in the Republic Conference
Speaker 4: who are deluding themselves thinking all the Democrats aren't really serious.
Speaker 4: They're not going to new fieldbuster. Oh yes they will.
Speaker 4: So we don't have the votes to end this fieldbuster.
Speaker 4: So the next best thing is the talking fieldbuster. That's
Speaker 4: a long shot, as well, but we're willing to go
Speaker 4: back to the press right because it's basically unlimited debate,
Speaker 4: unlimited amendments, unless we're willing to go back to prior
Speaker 4: to ninety a six when Robert Byrn changed the precedent
Speaker 4: of the Senate that didn't count offering amendment as a speech.
Speaker 4: I know we've got the two speech rule. But as
Speaker 4: long as Democrats can go down and offer an infinite
Speaker 4: number of amendments, split those amendments we call them Clay
Speaker 4: Pidgeon amendments into hundreds of parts, you know, literally, they
Speaker 4: can just drag this thing out as long as they
Speaker 4: want to and bring it to a close. Is much
Speaker 4: easier said than done.
Speaker 2: Well, but senator, senator, let me finish.
Speaker 4: At a minimum, what John Thunau to do is bring
Speaker 4: the Save America Act up to the floor and force
Speaker 4: Democrats to defend day after day after day. And I
Speaker 4: don't know how long it would that last, but make
Speaker 4: them defend why they oppose something that eighty percent of
Speaker 4: American people support, secure elections and voter ID Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I would completely agree with you, Senator, absolutely, force
Speaker 2: them to defend the indefensible, This nineteen eighty six rule
Speaker 2: what would it take to revert that so that every
Speaker 2: amendment doesn't turn into an endless debate on the floor.
Speaker 4: Well, that would be a fifty Voulte threshold. Well, when
Speaker 4: Robert Byrd proposed it, over ninety senators voted for it.
Speaker 4: So it's overwhelmingly popular to allow an unlimited number of amendments.
Speaker 4: And that counthos is a speech counting against the two
Speaker 4: speech rule. So again, we could do that with a
Speaker 4: and that would be nuclear philibuster. That would be something unprecedented,
Speaker 4: that'd actually be following the precedent of the Senate. Robert
Speaker 4: Bird changed that precedent. We just be going back to
Speaker 4: the way the Senate operated the under the culture rule,
Speaker 4: under the philibuster rule for about one hundred years.
Speaker 2: M I mean that seems really pretty obvious. Reports are
Speaker 2: coming in Listen, I understand you have there's a culture
Speaker 2: in the Senate that can be really good. I'm not
Speaker 2: asking you to name names. I'm going to name them.
Speaker 2: You don't have to agree. So reports are coming out
Speaker 2: that it's Senator Curtis from Utah, Tom Tillis, probably Mitch McConnell,
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe one or two others that are
Speaker 2: that are blocking this. So we're probably at like forty
Speaker 2: eight forty nine votes to do this. We're short. We
Speaker 2: need to get to fifty fifty plus one to do
Speaker 2: this to make these rules effective in the in the Senate.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like any of these holdouts are gettable?
Speaker 2: Are you are talks on going? Are you guys working
Speaker 2: the phones? Are you are you making phone calls to
Speaker 2: to to see if we can get them over the top.
Speaker 4: Well, the best way to get them on top is
Speaker 4: a put on the floor and make them vote. Everybody says,
Speaker 4: you know, we're coming here and we should be willing
Speaker 4: to take high votes. Okay, well put your put your
Speaker 4: votes where your mouth is, you know, put it on
Speaker 4: the floor.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Let the Democrats offer an amendment. It might might be
Speaker 4: something we actually want to pass, but realizing it be
Speaker 4: a poison pill, we defeat. Or we table amendments all
Speaker 4: the time all the time, you know, even good amendments.
Speaker 4: We said, no, we're gonna vote no because if we
Speaker 4: put this in here, it changes the bill and it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a poison pill. So we just would bring up,
Speaker 4: you know, any any Democrat amendment. We just have a
Speaker 4: strategy and say Okay, we're not gonna We're not no
Speaker 4: matter how good of the amendment is, no matter how
Speaker 4: much you'd want to support it, We're all gonna vote
Speaker 4: to tablet so we can actually pass the same okay, act,
Speaker 4: because that's the higher priority.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just to be clear, I was speaking specifically
Speaker 2: of changing the rules maybe back to nineteen eighty pre
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. Seems like we're at like forty eight,
Speaker 2: forty nine votes to actually, you know, institute something what
Speaker 2: like Mike Lee and now you are suggesting, and and
Speaker 2: the make it a talking filibuster. I love that. By
Speaker 2: the way, I love the framing that Mike Lee has
Speaker 2: put on at the zombie filibuster because Blake makes this
Speaker 2: point all the time on the show. We don't Congress
Speaker 2: is like a zombie Congress because we just don't do
Speaker 2: anything in Congress because this sixty vote.
Speaker 3: They're used to not doing anything. It's you have senators
Speaker 3: who the vast majority of senators have been in a
Speaker 3: Congress that never is expected to pass anything, never is
Speaker 3: expected to take the initiative. All they can ever do
Speaker 3: is pass these big omnibus spending bills because that's really
Speaker 3: the only legislation we ever passed well or.
Speaker 2: You know the you know the the what's the what's
Speaker 2: the bill with this is the one big beautiful bill.
Speaker 2: I'm blanket on the name right now. That's a big
Speaker 2: of this bill though basically.
Speaker 4: We're Family Tax Cut Act now, okay, But generally generally
Speaker 4: not doing not passing things in condress is generally a
Speaker 4: good thing. So much of the passes awful. So that's
Speaker 4: really the dauty of the filibusters. We've been able to
Speaker 4: block all kinds of awful legislation and you know so,
Speaker 4: so again that's why I'm I'm sympathetic with those who
Speaker 4: don't want to you know, end it. But again, you
Speaker 4: have to recognize the reality has changed. Democrats will end it.
Speaker 4: They'll they'll turn DC and Puerto Rico into states, they'll
Speaker 4: pack the Supreme Court, they'll pass a national election law
Speaker 4: that will make it easy to cheat.
Speaker 5: We have to.
Speaker 4: Recognize that reality and we need to beat him to
Speaker 4: the punch.
Speaker 2: Senator Ron Johnson, you are one of the good ones.
Speaker 2: You're fighting for the base, for the for the grassroots,
Speaker 2: and we thank you for that, and uh we we
Speaker 2: pray you're successful. Because the Save Act I think it's existential.
Speaker 2: Got to do it before the election. That's the whole point.
Speaker 2: We have to make sure our elections are secure. So
Speaker 2: God bless you, Thank you for the work you're doing
Speaker 2: on that, and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 4: God bless you, guys. Take care.
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Speaker 2: We have to talk about I'm noticing a trend where
Speaker 2: left wing commentators or politicians are trying to whitewash what
Speaker 2: happened to Charlie and it's really bothering me actually, and
Speaker 2: so two instances in just the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: There was a Democrat, Florida State Rep. Ashley Viola. Gant
Speaker 2: said his passing was tragic, but he was not a
Speaker 2: sad She doesn't even admit he was assassinated five point
Speaker 2: thirty six.
Speaker 6: Who want to talk about exercise and free speech? The
Speaker 6: First Amendment protects free speech. We don't need this day
Speaker 6: of remembrance for a man that was mediocre and racist,
Speaker 6: and I say mediocre at best. When we hear assassination,
Speaker 6: that's typically related to a person and a political position.
Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk died from gun violence. Okay, was his passing
Speaker 6: tragic for those who love him? Absolutely, there is no
Speaker 6: denying that. But he was not assassinated, and words being
Speaker 6: accurate matters. It was a death by gun violence that
Speaker 6: is an issue here in the country. So Charlie Kirk
Speaker 6: was not someone that children in the state of Florida
Speaker 6: should be subjected to honoring.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, pretty disgusting stuff. So the Florida
Speaker 2: House passed a bill to designate October fourteenth, his birthday,
Speaker 2: Charlie Charlie Kirk Day of Remembrance. And this shameful disgrace
Speaker 2: of a state rep has the gall to say he
Speaker 2: was not assassinated, he didn't die in as sleep.
Speaker 3: Woman, Well all you should ask she's trying to do
Speaker 3: this pedantic point. Well, it's for people in a political position. Okay,
Speaker 3: was Martin Luther King assassinated? He didn't hold office?
Speaker 2: Great point. Was Malcolm X assassinated? He didn't hold an office?
Speaker 2: But sorry, they're black civil rights leaders, so she probably
Speaker 2: would support that. Let's just call a spade a spade.
Speaker 2: They do not want Charlie Kirk his legacy to be
Speaker 2: in the same stratosphere. I'm sorry woman, that it's already done.
Speaker 2: There are millions and millions of Americans that honored Charlie
Speaker 2: as a martyr, as an assassinated martyr, because that's exactly
Speaker 2: because that's what he is.
Speaker 3: They want it on put Oh, it's just gun violence,
Speaker 3: because then that obscures what we know to be reality,
Speaker 3: which is that a person on the left, radicalized by
Speaker 3: rhetoric they heard every day from Democratic lawmakers, from people
Speaker 3: on social media, went took a rifle and murdered Charlie.
Speaker 2: You're getting to the deeper point, and it's exactly right.
Speaker 3: And they'll tell that lie repeatedly so that they can
Speaker 3: get it into the discourse, just like they lied about
Speaker 3: it immediately after, to make people think Charlie was shot
Speaker 3: by someone on the right, just like they love to
Speaker 3: muddle it in all of these ways, so then they
Speaker 3: can look back five years, ten years, fifty years later
Speaker 3: and say, ah, it's a confused model mess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very controversial, controversial, No, exactly, it's not controversial.
Speaker 2: But here's another one, Rep. Jonathan Jackson. So the memo
Speaker 2: went out. Rep. Jonathan Jackson just absolutely disgrace himself. He's
Speaker 2: a congressman from Illinois five point three.
Speaker 5: There's a very toxic climate in Washington, d C. The
Speaker 5: same Washington, DC. That would lower the flag for Charlie
Speaker 5: Kirk that says the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act
Speaker 5: was a mistake. How can you say getting rid of
Speaker 5: biases and race and sex and religion was a mistake.
Speaker 5: How can you say it was a mistake to fully
Speaker 5: enfranchised people to be Americans. That was a pivotal piece
Speaker 5: of legislation. But that's the same speaker, and that's what
Speaker 5: we're dealing with. They have a high talent for things
Speaker 5: that are very indecent and a very low regard for
Speaker 5: people that have been great Americans.
Speaker 2: This is an ignorant fool. He knows nothing about what
Speaker 2: Charlie actually believe. Charlie said the intent of the Civil
Speaker 2: Rights Act was no, but the execution of it was wrong.
Speaker 2: Why Why was it wrong? Because it created a bureaucratic
Speaker 2: leviathan that was inarguably very extra constitutional, that has been used,
Speaker 2: among other things, to justify things like, you know, men
Speaker 2: in women's locker rooms, men and women's sports.
Speaker 3: That's why there's that's why Charlie had a huge amount
Speaker 3: of left wing politics is essentially premised on just intentionally
Speaker 3: not understanding things, because it's pretty easy to understand what
Speaker 3: Charlie meant by it, because he explained himself over and
Speaker 3: over again, of course, But it's that Charlie opposed racial discrimination,
Speaker 3: and so he said, I don't want racially discriminatory things.
Speaker 3: And laws that were passed in the sixties and seventies
Speaker 3: and eighties that were supposedly anti discrimination instead institutionalized it,
Speaker 3: mandated it, were used by courts to impose it on everybody.
Speaker 3: And that's why Charlie fought against them. Because Charlie believed
Speaker 3: in real equality, the equality that is promised in our
Speaker 3: Declaration of Independence, in our constitution.
Speaker 2: That is what he fought for. That is ultimately what
Speaker 2: he died for. And I have a message for Rep. Jackson.
Speaker 2: It's fool from Illinois, Charlie's home state. If you want
Speaker 2: to know the real reason that Washington is toxic, it's
Speaker 2: because of fools like you. It's because of ignorant fools
Speaker 2: like you that spend more time on social media and
Speaker 2: your algorithms that are designed to lie to you and
Speaker 2: feed you your own confirmation biases, lies about Charlie and
Speaker 2: what he actually believed, what he actually said. Then discovering
Speaker 2: the truth, because the truth isn't inconvenient to you that
Speaker 2: Charlie actually thought the intent of the Civil Rights Act
Speaker 2: was noble, but it was executed in the wrong way.
Speaker 2: It was put in place in the wrong way. You
Speaker 2: would rather vilify a martyr than acknowledge the truth. You
Speaker 2: would rather go on mourning Joe until Joe Scarborough a
Speaker 2: complete and utter fiction, then admit that you're wrong. It's
Speaker 2: these kinds of lies, by the way, Rep. Jackson, that
Speaker 2: led to Charlie's assassination in the first place. It was
Speaker 2: full like you, ignorant fools like you, who told lie
Speaker 2: after lie after lie about what he said and what
Speaker 2: he believed, and that had it churned out with these
Speaker 2: cherry pit clips that lied about him, that got him
Speaker 2: assassinated in the first place. How many more people have
Speaker 2: to be killed? How many Conservatives have to die by
Speaker 2: an assassin's bullet for you guys to be satisfied. You
Speaker 2: can kindly leave his name out of your mouth. Rep. Jackson,
Speaker 2: and you should. Actually, if you had any shame, you
Speaker 2: would apologize, but you probably won't because you believe the
Speaker 2: lie so fundamentally. Shame on you, Shame on Morning Joe
Speaker 2: for airing it. I hope you push back. I didn't
Speaker 2: see that part of the clip. Probably not. For more
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