1 00:00:02,750 --> 00:00:06,810 Speaker 1: Life audio hey zujo thanks for joining me great to 2 00:00:06,830 --> 00:00:10,649 Speaker 1: be with you zujo john speaker author founder of you 3 00:00:10,670 --> 00:00:14,510 Speaker 1: can free us a non-profit organization that fight human trafficking 4 00:00:15,330 --> 00:00:17,669 Speaker 1: zujo i wanted to have you on because this is 5 00:00:17,690 --> 00:00:20,290 Speaker 1: the 25th anniversary of 9-11 you were in the. 6 00:00:20,270 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: North tower that day you have a powerful testimony of 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,210 Speaker 2: survival your wife also worked in the south tower we 8 00:00:26,230 --> 00:00:28,860 Speaker 2: can talk about that as well take us back to 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: the morning of 9-11 like i said you worked in 10 00:00:31,220 --> 00:00:33,710 Speaker 2: the north tower What were you doing that morning? 11 00:00:33,930 --> 00:00:34,610 Speaker 3: What do you remember? 12 00:00:35,909 --> 00:00:39,059 Speaker 4: So Michael, you know, we've just come up on the 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 4: 25th anniversary of 9-11. It's hard to believe how quickly 14 00:00:42,940 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 4: time has gone. And when you think of the tragedy 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,340 Speaker 4: of 9-11, obviously it was a tragedy that hit America, 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 4: one of the biggest tragedies to have hit this country 17 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:54,380 Speaker 4: for our generation, a turning point for America for sure. 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 4: But the impact of that globally, what that tragedy has had, 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,050 Speaker 4: you know, we've had two wars since then, the war 20 00:01:00,090 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 4: in Afghanistan, Iraq, And so every time I share my story, 21 00:01:03,260 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 4: I'm mindful of the fact that there could be many 22 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:08,300 Speaker 4: who would have served in the military and have been, 23 00:01:08,340 --> 00:01:11,209 Speaker 4: you know, have served in Afghanistan and Iraq. And there's 24 00:01:11,230 --> 00:01:14,610 Speaker 4: someone watching and many of them, they actually signed up 25 00:01:14,630 --> 00:01:16,950 Speaker 4: to serve in the military because of what happened on 9-11. 26 00:01:17,390 --> 00:01:20,569 Speaker 4: So firstly, I want to thank them for their service 27 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:23,090 Speaker 4: and for their dedication. And again, a shout out to 28 00:01:23,170 --> 00:01:26,460 Speaker 4: any firefighter, first responder that might be listening to us. 29 00:01:26,819 --> 00:01:29,620 Speaker 4: They're the real heroes of this country. So having said that, 30 00:01:29,810 --> 00:01:32,130 Speaker 4: I'll quickly tell my story about how I came to America. 31 00:01:32,230 --> 00:01:34,670 Speaker 4: I grew up in India and I had just moved 32 00:01:34,690 --> 00:01:39,270 Speaker 4: to America in February of 2001 with just $ 60 and 33 00:01:39,270 --> 00:01:42,570 Speaker 4: $ 50 in my wallet and two bags with a lot 34 00:01:42,590 --> 00:01:45,900 Speaker 4: of dreams. I had met Jesus growing up in India 35 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: and I just knew that the dream giver could do 36 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 4: something with my life in this country. I just knew 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,279 Speaker 4: that America is that place where dreams and dreamers collide. 38 00:01:55,260 --> 00:01:57,420 Speaker 4: And with that, I came here not knowing what my 39 00:01:57,470 --> 00:02:00,990 Speaker 4: life's going to what I had stored. And in the 40 00:02:01,010 --> 00:02:04,810 Speaker 4: most incredible way, my wife finds work first on the 41 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:07,230 Speaker 4: 71st floor of the South Tower of the World Trade 42 00:02:07,250 --> 00:02:11,190 Speaker 4: Center with Morgan Stanley. And I find work on the 43 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:13,570 Speaker 4: 81st floor of the North Tower of the World Trade 44 00:02:13,590 --> 00:02:16,769 Speaker 4: Center with a company called Network Plus. So we both 45 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:19,590 Speaker 4: have good jobs. And what is so exciting is my 46 00:02:19,630 --> 00:02:22,670 Speaker 4: wife is pregnant, four months pregnant with our first child. 47 00:02:23,230 --> 00:02:25,990 Speaker 4: And so everything going well, I'm rising up the corporate ladder. 48 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:28,149 Speaker 4: I have figured out what my life should look like 49 00:02:28,210 --> 00:02:30,870 Speaker 4: for me. I have a business plan to actually start 50 00:02:30,910 --> 00:02:34,329 Speaker 4: a data center. I actually have a VC guy from 51 00:02:34,410 --> 00:02:38,620 Speaker 4: Canada who's looking into my project. So exciting things in 52 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: store and then 9-11 hits. But before 9-11 hits, I 53 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:44,180 Speaker 4: have to share what was going on in my heart. 54 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,180 Speaker 4: You know, God's always working in our life and he's 55 00:02:47,220 --> 00:02:50,540 Speaker 4: always trying to get our attention. I was serving Jesus. 56 00:02:51,220 --> 00:02:54,110 Speaker 4: I knew the Lord, my salvation was at stake, but 57 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:57,910 Speaker 4: I probably had drifted away from My passion for the 58 00:02:57,970 --> 00:03:00,510 Speaker 4: Lord was not where it was supposed to be. So 59 00:03:00,530 --> 00:03:02,940 Speaker 4: the Sunday before 9-11, I was in my home church 60 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,299 Speaker 4: and there was a missionary that came by and they 61 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 4: passed an offering plate and they took up an offering 62 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:11,860 Speaker 4: for his work in Africa. So I put down the 63 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:14,139 Speaker 4: biggest check I'd ever given to the Lord's work. And 64 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,559 Speaker 4: in that moment, I hear a voice speak to me. 65 00:03:16,580 --> 00:03:20,140 Speaker 4: I don't need your money. I need your heart. And 66 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,260 Speaker 4: so from that moment on to Tuesday morning, conversations with 67 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 4: me and Jesus about where is my heart? Is my 68 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 4: heart right with God? And the first thing I did 69 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,340 Speaker 4: getting to the towers, I got there 7.30 that morning. 70 00:03:31,620 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: It was a clear cloudless day. And one of the 71 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: first things I did was write an email to a 72 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 4: friend of mine in my home church saying something's happening 73 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,380 Speaker 4: to me this morning. I know there's a call of 74 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 4: God upon my life. I've been chasing stuff in America. 75 00:03:44,620 --> 00:03:47,380 Speaker 4: I need to chase after God. So I sent that 76 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,660 Speaker 4: email at 7.30, a little past 7.30 that morning and 77 00:03:50,660 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: 8.48 in the morning. After that email, we all know 78 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:59,740 Speaker 4: what happened. American flight 11 flying coast to coast from 79 00:03:59,820 --> 00:04:03,540 Speaker 4: Boston to LA, this huge jet plane crashes into our tower. 80 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 4: The major impact was on the 92nd and above, but 81 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:09,750 Speaker 4: part of the debris of the plane and the jet 82 00:04:09,790 --> 00:04:13,810 Speaker 4: fuel that came down resulted in fire breaking on our floor, 83 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:17,510 Speaker 4: walls collapsing. I could see a huge crater, picture of 84 00:04:17,570 --> 00:04:20,610 Speaker 4: twisted steel and cable. And as the building is swaying, 85 00:04:21,010 --> 00:04:23,740 Speaker 4: we thought we're going to die. And that's when someone 86 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: rallies us and says, we've got to beat this fire. 87 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,090 Speaker 4: And he challenges us and we follow him and we 88 00:04:30,110 --> 00:04:33,030 Speaker 4: make our way to the nearest stairwell. What did you 89 00:04:33,050 --> 00:04:35,190 Speaker 4: think it was? So we all thought it was a 90 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:37,230 Speaker 4: plane because what else could hit you at that height? 91 00:04:37,690 --> 00:04:39,990 Speaker 4: But we thought it was a small commuter plane. No 92 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:43,730 Speaker 4: one could actually fathom the fact that a jetliner would 93 00:04:43,750 --> 00:04:46,830 Speaker 4: be hijacked and that too, it would be crashed. And 94 00:04:47,089 --> 00:04:50,650 Speaker 4: typically when a hijacking happens, terrorists have demands and The 95 00:04:50,690 --> 00:04:53,510 Speaker 4: plane has flown to some other city, some other country, 96 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,650 Speaker 4: and they're told, meet our demands and we'll let the 97 00:04:55,690 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: people go. But rarely is something like this had ever 98 00:04:59,860 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: happened in human history, where a plane had been forcibly 99 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 4: crashed into a building. But we didn't know it was 100 00:05:05,180 --> 00:05:07,500 Speaker 4: a terrorist attack. We thought it was a small plane. 101 00:05:07,860 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 4: But our thoughts were initially on those people on those planes. 102 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 4: And then the major impact, we knew that wherever it's crashed, 103 00:05:13,940 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 4: there had to be fatalities. But the enormity of what 104 00:05:17,580 --> 00:05:20,589 Speaker 4: had happened, we didn't quite realize it. We get to 105 00:05:20,610 --> 00:05:23,109 Speaker 4: the stairwell and that's when thousands of people joining us 106 00:05:23,150 --> 00:05:26,210 Speaker 4: on that stairwell. And that's when I started calling my 107 00:05:26,250 --> 00:05:29,510 Speaker 4: wife on a cell phone. And like I said earlier, 108 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:32,250 Speaker 4: she would work on the other tower, four months pregnant. 109 00:05:32,330 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 4: And a lot of what she did was connected to 110 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,700 Speaker 4: the markets that open early in the morning. And so 111 00:05:36,740 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: she had to be at work around 8.40 every day. 112 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,060 Speaker 4: And so my cell phones are not working. None of 113 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 4: the cell phones of people going down the stairwell is working. 114 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:49,250 Speaker 4: And that's when we hear another explosion. And many that's 115 00:05:49,310 --> 00:05:51,850 Speaker 4: listening to us today, you saw that happen on your 116 00:05:51,870 --> 00:05:54,750 Speaker 4: television sets that day. This is a second plane crashing 117 00:05:54,770 --> 00:05:58,110 Speaker 4: into the second tower. In all that chaos and my 118 00:05:58,150 --> 00:06:00,490 Speaker 4: anxiety of trying to reach my wife, I think I 119 00:06:00,529 --> 00:06:04,950 Speaker 4: do remember some things that were happening around me. You know, 120 00:06:04,970 --> 00:06:07,540 Speaker 4: cell phones weren't working, but back then we had this 121 00:06:07,570 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 4: little piece of thing that people would wear on their 122 00:06:09,460 --> 00:06:14,540 Speaker 4: belts called pagers. And I think somebody did get a 123 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:17,310 Speaker 4: message that came on one of the pagers saying, That said, 124 00:06:17,350 --> 00:06:20,750 Speaker 4: a plane has crashed into the tower. So I kind 125 00:06:20,770 --> 00:06:23,750 Speaker 4: of vaguely remember people talking about the guy reading out 126 00:06:23,790 --> 00:06:26,770 Speaker 4: his message that came on his pager. But beyond that, 127 00:06:26,810 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: we didn't know what was going on. So we start 128 00:06:29,010 --> 00:06:32,700 Speaker 4: running down. We passed hundreds of firemen, policemen that were 129 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: going up. And that's one of the most moving sites 130 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 4: of what I experienced that day as we are trying 131 00:06:37,500 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 4: to run down these brave men making their way up. 132 00:06:41,420 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 4: When I share that part of my story, I always 133 00:06:43,550 --> 00:06:45,190 Speaker 4: love to talk about the fact that, you know, when 134 00:06:45,210 --> 00:06:49,140 Speaker 4: 9-11 happened, It was Al-Qaeda terrorists, 19 Al-Qaeda terrorists, full 135 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 4: of hatred for this country that attacked America that day. 136 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,620 Speaker 4: And the first response to that didn't come through our military. 137 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 4: It came through these men. They showed the world what 138 00:06:59,020 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 4: this country is made up of, that there are men 139 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,460 Speaker 4: and women willing to lay down their lives so that 140 00:07:03,580 --> 00:07:06,620 Speaker 4: others could still be around. They were living out what 141 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:09,180 Speaker 4: is said in the Bible, right? Greater love has no 142 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 4: man than he who lays down his life for his friend. 143 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 4: So I think for everyone that's reflecting on 9-11, you know, 144 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,380 Speaker 4: I just want to encourage you. If you see a fireman, policeman, 145 00:07:19,420 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 4: wherever you are today, just stop and say thank you. 146 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:25,580 Speaker 4: If you want to go take your kids to a 147 00:07:25,660 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: fire station, do that. Because they are the real heroes. 148 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 4: They did that on 9-11 in New York City and 149 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 4: in the Pentagon. And they would do that in your community. 150 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: That's what these men are made up of. So we 151 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,020 Speaker 4: high five them saying you guys are real heroes. We 152 00:07:40,060 --> 00:07:43,710 Speaker 4: continue that way down. It felt like it was taking forever. 153 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 4: And we get to this level, which is called the plaza. 154 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: We're still in the building. And when you look on 155 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: our left, that's when we see this picture of just devastation, 156 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: bodies and body parts of people that jumped out of 157 00:07:55,580 --> 00:07:58,370 Speaker 4: the building, of people in those planes, part of the 158 00:07:58,390 --> 00:08:01,150 Speaker 4: debris of the plane lying there in that plaza. And 159 00:08:01,210 --> 00:08:03,850 Speaker 4: as we watch that picture of death, people are breaking down. 160 00:08:04,290 --> 00:08:06,870 Speaker 4: And that's when this fireman says, don't look on your left, 161 00:08:06,950 --> 00:08:09,540 Speaker 4: turn on your right, go down this escalator, which is 162 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,580 Speaker 4: still working. It will take you to the concourse level, 163 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: one more level down. That's the street level. And then 164 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,300 Speaker 4: get out of these burning towers. So I get to 165 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:21,140 Speaker 4: the concourse level. In a way, that's where my story 166 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,580 Speaker 4: really begins. And I see thousands of people being let out. 167 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:27,369 Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, what if my wife's been delayed to work? 168 00:08:27,510 --> 00:08:29,790 Speaker 4: If she's been delayed, she could be there looking for me. 169 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:32,210 Speaker 4: So I started, I saw the sign that said the 170 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:34,890 Speaker 4: South Tower. So I started walking towards the South Tower. 171 00:08:35,309 --> 00:08:37,930 Speaker 4: And that's when the ground shakes. I'm in the middle 172 00:08:37,950 --> 00:08:41,620 Speaker 4: of this this revolving door, glass door, the glass is shattering. 173 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,420 Speaker 4: I thought it was a bomb, but Michael, this was 174 00:08:44,460 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: not a bomb. This was a south tower imploding and 175 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:50,660 Speaker 4: going down. I come to terms with my eternity, my 176 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,140 Speaker 4: mortality at that moment. And I said, God, if I'm 177 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: going to die, where will I go? And in all 178 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,420 Speaker 4: that fast pace of what was happening around so quickly, 179 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: the chaos and the fear, it's almost like for a 180 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,590 Speaker 4: few seconds, You know, there was this calm, and I 181 00:09:06,630 --> 00:09:11,590 Speaker 4: felt God taking me back in time. Age 15, Calcutta, India, 182 00:09:12,270 --> 00:09:14,820 Speaker 4: when on bended knee, I asked Jesus to come into 183 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: my life. And I had this peace that if I 184 00:09:17,260 --> 00:09:19,939 Speaker 4: were to die, I would make it to heaven. And, 185 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: you know, until then, I was a classic Christian. I 186 00:09:22,540 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 4: would never be really vocal about my faith. I felt 187 00:09:25,660 --> 00:09:27,910 Speaker 4: the Lord saying, these people that are with you, where 188 00:09:27,929 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 4: are they going without me? So I started crying out 189 00:09:31,250 --> 00:09:34,020 Speaker 4: Jesus and I prayed with those 15, 20 people to 190 00:09:34,059 --> 00:09:36,260 Speaker 4: call upon the name of the Lord, which they did. 191 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,940 Speaker 4: We scattered away from that huddle that we had huddled 192 00:09:39,980 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 4: for a few minutes and I'm being burned in debris. 193 00:09:42,940 --> 00:09:45,380 Speaker 4: I didn't have any big stuff fall on me, but 194 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,260 Speaker 4: it was soot and ash and dust. I felt like 195 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: I was burned in that and I thought I was 196 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:52,970 Speaker 4: going to die, covered, plastered with soot and ash. And 197 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:54,770 Speaker 4: just when I thought that I was going to die, 198 00:09:54,809 --> 00:09:56,610 Speaker 4: the fact that I cannot breathe is going to take 199 00:09:56,670 --> 00:09:59,490 Speaker 4: my life. I feel someone pull me and I begin 200 00:09:59,510 --> 00:10:02,610 Speaker 4: to pull into This turns out to be an FBI agent. 201 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:05,110 Speaker 4: I asked him, do you know Jesus? And he said 202 00:10:05,150 --> 00:10:08,430 Speaker 4: he did. And we both told each other we're going 203 00:10:08,450 --> 00:10:11,510 Speaker 4: to die. And that's when something miraculous happens, a red 204 00:10:11,580 --> 00:10:14,050 Speaker 4: light flashing to the soot and the smoke. It's a 205 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:16,540 Speaker 4: flashing light coming out of an ambulance from the street level. 206 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:19,730 Speaker 4: So we follow that faint light. That gets us out 207 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:22,490 Speaker 4: of the pit. The man says, I got to go back, 208 00:10:22,530 --> 00:10:25,490 Speaker 4: get more people. He runs back into the North Tower. 209 00:10:25,970 --> 00:10:29,540 Speaker 4: The ground shakes again. The North Tower collapses. This brave 210 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,939 Speaker 4: American hero died that day. The only active FBI agent 211 00:10:33,980 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 4: to have died. So I'm out of the debris thinking, God, 212 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 4: why did you spare my life? For sure my wife 213 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: is dead. But unknown to me, known to God, she 214 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:45,660 Speaker 4: was late to work by a couple of minutes. So 215 00:10:45,730 --> 00:10:47,730 Speaker 4: late that day, my cell phone rings and it's my 216 00:10:47,790 --> 00:10:50,580 Speaker 4: wife on the other side. You know, I was so 217 00:10:50,660 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 4: sure that she was gone. She thought I was gone. 218 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,630 Speaker 4: And the crazy part also, my story was my last 219 00:10:56,690 --> 00:11:00,170 Speaker 4: working day, I signed up a life insurance policy. So, 220 00:11:00,190 --> 00:11:03,470 Speaker 4: you know, my last conversation with my wife was before 9-11, 221 00:11:03,510 --> 00:11:06,610 Speaker 4: September 10th night, I went to play tennis. I didn't 222 00:11:06,650 --> 00:11:09,210 Speaker 4: even finish a set. I came back home and my 223 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:10,910 Speaker 4: wife had fallen asleep. I tried to wake her up 224 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:12,460 Speaker 4: and said, I got to talk to you about something. 225 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 4: She says, what is it? I said, it's called, it's 226 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:16,540 Speaker 4: called death. And she stared at me like, boy, we 227 00:11:16,580 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 4: are young. Why do you want to talk about death? 228 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:20,700 Speaker 4: I said, there's a baby on the way. I signed 229 00:11:20,740 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 4: up a life insurance policy. So this is what you 230 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 4: need to do if something were to happen. We'll not 231 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,260 Speaker 4: talk about this again. And we went to bed. The 232 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 4: next day it was 9-11. So all that conversation played 233 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 4: on her mind. And she's seeing people jumping out of 234 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:35,900 Speaker 4: the building. And she's thinking, I'm one of them. But 235 00:11:35,940 --> 00:11:39,690 Speaker 4: a girl grabs a believer and says, you have to 236 00:11:39,730 --> 00:11:42,170 Speaker 4: get out of here. You're pregnant. Takes her to a 237 00:11:42,210 --> 00:11:46,350 Speaker 4: place of safety. This girl takes her to her boss's 238 00:11:46,410 --> 00:11:51,950 Speaker 4: apartment and opens the Bible. and stays with her till 239 00:11:52,130 --> 00:11:55,209 Speaker 4: my wife was able to reach me. So both our 240 00:11:55,230 --> 00:11:57,330 Speaker 4: lives were spared, but we weren't sure what was going 241 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:59,449 Speaker 4: to happen to our son because my wife had inhaled 242 00:11:59,510 --> 00:12:03,230 Speaker 4: all of that and went through all that trauma. But miraculously, 243 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:07,460 Speaker 4: we were scared till he finally came out into the 244 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:11,020 Speaker 4: world because our doctors wanted us to abort him because 245 00:12:11,059 --> 00:12:12,699 Speaker 4: of everything that he inhaled. And we were like, no, 246 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,900 Speaker 4: that's not an option. And so he's a young 24-year-old 247 00:12:18,450 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: kid now in med school. And so God has done 248 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: something amazing in our lives. And I look back and 249 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 4: I just say that God is so faithful. It's not 250 00:12:31,340 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 4: that I deserve to be here or those people had 251 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,900 Speaker 4: to go. I don't understand all of it. When you 252 00:12:37,940 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 4: walk on this side of eternity, you don't get it. 253 00:12:40,179 --> 00:12:42,770 Speaker 4: But here's what I know. There's an appointed time for 254 00:12:42,809 --> 00:12:45,210 Speaker 4: every human being You know, one day you're born and 255 00:12:45,530 --> 00:12:47,710 Speaker 4: your family gets a piece of paper called a birth certificate. 256 00:12:48,090 --> 00:12:50,490 Speaker 4: And one day everyone listening to me, your family's going 257 00:12:50,510 --> 00:12:53,290 Speaker 4: to get another paper about your life. It's called the 258 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 4: death certificate. And they're going to put your birth date 259 00:12:57,580 --> 00:13:00,819 Speaker 4: and your end date on a tombstone somewhere. And in 260 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,300 Speaker 4: between there'll be a dash and that's life. And so 261 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,740 Speaker 4: I just want to encourage those that are listening, you know, 262 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,540 Speaker 4: I know it's a story of death and facing death, 263 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,270 Speaker 4: but hey, it could come any time. It doesn't have 264 00:13:12,309 --> 00:13:14,710 Speaker 4: to be a building collapsing. It could be anything. Or 265 00:13:14,750 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: if Jesus were to come, just live every day knowing 266 00:13:17,940 --> 00:13:20,620 Speaker 4: that you've made your peace with God, that you've made 267 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 4: your peace with your family, and you've made your peace 268 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 4: within yourself. And the only way to be at peace 269 00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:29,579 Speaker 4: within yourself is to truly connect with Jesus and start 270 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,390 Speaker 4: this friendship with God. Not that you're going to be perfect. 271 00:13:32,570 --> 00:13:35,750 Speaker 4: I'm not a perfect human. I have flaws. I've made mistakes. 272 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:39,530 Speaker 4: But it's the loving grace of Jesus that keeps drawing 273 00:13:39,650 --> 00:13:40,630 Speaker 4: us when we mess up. 274 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,140 Speaker 3: Let me ask you three or four follow-up questions there 275 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: from what you said. 276 00:13:52,820 --> 00:13:55,140 Speaker 2: So the doctors wanted you guys to abort the child 277 00:13:55,179 --> 00:14:02,110 Speaker 2: because of the air she had breathed and just the trauma. 278 00:14:02,690 --> 00:14:04,790 Speaker 4: But I remember her words to us were two things. 279 00:14:05,130 --> 00:14:06,910 Speaker 4: She said the good news and the bad news. The 280 00:14:06,950 --> 00:14:10,130 Speaker 4: good news is that you both are young and you 281 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 4: can have more babies. And the bad news is you 282 00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:14,620 Speaker 4: may have lost him or there could be issues when 283 00:14:14,660 --> 00:14:17,150 Speaker 4: he's born. because of everything. Because you see, one of 284 00:14:17,170 --> 00:14:19,570 Speaker 4: the things that we didn't know was the toxicity of 285 00:14:19,610 --> 00:14:22,850 Speaker 4: the air and the impact of that. And it's sad 286 00:14:23,090 --> 00:14:25,330 Speaker 4: that we live in such a culture of death that 287 00:14:25,370 --> 00:14:27,510 Speaker 4: in America, that one of the first options that the 288 00:14:27,550 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: doctors give you is this. So I, obviously, that was 289 00:14:32,010 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 4: not going to be an option for us. But I 290 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 4: sometimes wonder, like, I don't know, my brain, I think 291 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:38,859 Speaker 4: a lot because of that. 292 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:40,620 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. 293 00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 4: Women could have taken that option or may have taken 294 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:46,770 Speaker 4: that option because they are too inhaled a lot of 295 00:14:46,810 --> 00:14:49,250 Speaker 4: that stuff. And that's what the doctors told them. 296 00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:52,430 Speaker 3: So your wife is late to work that day. So 297 00:14:52,530 --> 00:14:53,590 Speaker 3: where was she? 298 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: She gets off the last train that made its way 299 00:14:56,170 --> 00:14:59,300 Speaker 4: towards the towers. So the first plane had already crashed in. 300 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 4: So the train didn't make its way into the building. 301 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 4: The trains would actually go to the basement of the building. 302 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 4: So one stop ahead, the trains were stopped. She gets out, 303 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:11,470 Speaker 4: but she's still in very close proximity to the towers, 304 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:13,770 Speaker 4: a little tree in front of her. And so that's 305 00:15:13,810 --> 00:15:16,460 Speaker 4: when she sees... you know, the second plane crashed into 306 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 4: our tower. It literally, plane literally ran in front of her. 307 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 4: She saw the plane crash in the second tower. She 308 00:15:22,090 --> 00:15:24,530 Speaker 4: sees these people jumping out of the building. And I'll 309 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:26,430 Speaker 4: leave it at that. There's a lot more graphic things 310 00:15:26,450 --> 00:15:29,229 Speaker 4: that she saw that day that is, it is not even, 311 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:32,050 Speaker 4: I mean, because these are humans, they are fellow Americans. 312 00:15:32,270 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: It is so difficult to even put it like the 313 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 4: way it was. It was a picture of hell in 314 00:15:38,380 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: downtown Manhattan. And the story didn't quite end there, right? 315 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 4: Even after the planes crashed in, for those of us, 316 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 4: I mean, after the, I got out and all of 317 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 4: the World Trade Center complex has been turned to dust 318 00:15:49,260 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 4: and ash. But there was this fear because there's F-16 319 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: fighter jets flying over New York City giving cover. And 320 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,780 Speaker 4: we didn't know what was going on. The fact that 321 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: other planes were also missing. And then, you know, one 322 00:16:00,570 --> 00:16:03,430 Speaker 4: had crashed in Shanksville. The other one had crashed under 323 00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:06,610 Speaker 4: the Pentagon. And that America was under attack. So we 324 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:09,610 Speaker 4: thought those planes were dropping bombs on all the skyscrapers 325 00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:13,350 Speaker 4: in New York. You know, for those old-timers that's watching, 326 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,140 Speaker 4: If you've seen those movies, those old movies, Left Behind 327 00:16:17,180 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: series movies, you know, like they had that funny music 328 00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 4: about the end times. I forget the name of the movie, right? 329 00:16:22,780 --> 00:16:24,980 Speaker 4: I remember watching it as a kid. And, you know, 330 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: people just going crazy. Like, where do I go? Running 331 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,820 Speaker 4: here and there, you know, and Left Behind. I think 332 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,060 Speaker 4: that was the name of the movie, right? And it's 333 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: almost like that, where the chaos on the streets of Manhattan, 334 00:16:35,020 --> 00:16:37,610 Speaker 4: because no one knows. And there are people from all 335 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:42,450 Speaker 4: over the world, every walk of life, young, old, and 336 00:16:42,510 --> 00:16:46,810 Speaker 4: even older. Even the law enforcement and first responders, you know, typically, 337 00:16:46,830 --> 00:16:49,130 Speaker 4: you know, if there's a tragedy somewhere, they know what's 338 00:16:49,150 --> 00:16:51,170 Speaker 4: going on. They know what to do. But in this case, 339 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,500 Speaker 4: they even don't know what's going on. Everything is so fluid. 340 00:16:54,020 --> 00:16:56,820 Speaker 4: So it was a crazy, crazy day and crazy experience 341 00:16:56,860 --> 00:16:57,460 Speaker 4: around Manhattan. 342 00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: Did you struggle with thoughts of why God spared your 343 00:17:00,940 --> 00:17:02,380 Speaker 2: life when so many others died? 344 00:17:03,020 --> 00:17:05,830 Speaker 4: Yes, I did. But, you know, interestingly, I didn't struggle 345 00:17:05,869 --> 00:17:07,950 Speaker 4: with that for a whole lot. And I'll tell you why. 346 00:17:08,550 --> 00:17:11,030 Speaker 4: That's a question people always ask me. The first few days, yes. 347 00:17:12,220 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 4: for several days, I had pictures of people that I 348 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:16,300 Speaker 4: knew that died that would flash on my mind. And 349 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 4: that would be unbearable. You know, where we lived, we 350 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:20,659 Speaker 4: used to hear the church bells go on, there were 351 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:24,929 Speaker 4: funeral processions. All of that was incredibly difficult. But then, 352 00:17:24,970 --> 00:17:27,810 Speaker 4: you know, media covered our story and people started calling 353 00:17:27,830 --> 00:17:30,570 Speaker 4: me around this country to come and speak. And I'd 354 00:17:30,609 --> 00:17:34,670 Speaker 4: never done public speaking. And I don't have a ministry background. 355 00:17:34,690 --> 00:17:37,300 Speaker 4: I have a business background. And I started seeing people 356 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 4: getting saved. Every time the story was being told on 357 00:17:40,750 --> 00:17:44,090 Speaker 4: On television, I was speaking, people connecting with Jesus. So 358 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:47,209 Speaker 4: I walked away from my job and went into full-time 359 00:17:47,250 --> 00:17:50,030 Speaker 4: ministry right after that. And so because I've seen the 360 00:17:50,050 --> 00:17:52,859 Speaker 4: impact of that, thousands of people coming, overflow room and 361 00:17:52,930 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 4: overflow on room on top of that. And the people 362 00:17:55,420 --> 00:17:57,260 Speaker 4: are getting their hearts right with God. And deep within 363 00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 4: me was this burden now to challenge America and remind 364 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 4: them that this country has been founded on nothing less 365 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: and nothing more but the gospel. And so that kind 366 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: of purpose in seeing, telling my story, had its benefit 367 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:12,859 Speaker 4: of healing me, but also seeing what God was doing 368 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,220 Speaker 4: with my story. Probably that was the one that, probably 369 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,139 Speaker 4: one of the things that kept me sane. Because I 370 00:18:18,220 --> 00:18:22,340 Speaker 4: know a lot of other survivors, others that I know 371 00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: of personally, have dealt with incredible personal trauma trying to 372 00:18:26,770 --> 00:18:30,670 Speaker 4: process what happened. And PTSD has been a common thing 373 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:33,850 Speaker 4: that a lot of people who face 9-11 have gone through. 374 00:18:33,910 --> 00:18:36,230 Speaker 4: They're not the same, none of them. And some of 375 00:18:36,250 --> 00:18:38,310 Speaker 4: them you know, even in these last 25 years, it's 376 00:18:38,350 --> 00:18:41,209 Speaker 4: not that they're, it's just that they lost their mojo. 377 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:43,129 Speaker 4: They're just not the same people anymore. 378 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: So the sermon that you heard the previous weekend combined 379 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: with 9-11 dramatically impacted your faith and that led you 380 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: to form a ministry or a nonprofit organization, I guess 381 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,050 Speaker 3: it's both, called You Can Free Us. Tell us about that. 382 00:19:00,530 --> 00:19:02,290 Speaker 3: I don't want to, I don't want to let you know. 383 00:19:02,369 --> 00:19:04,810 Speaker 4: So I started traveling and I started You know, I 384 00:19:04,830 --> 00:19:07,570 Speaker 4: would meet people, you know, that would say, hey, you know, 385 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:09,490 Speaker 4: how can we help? How can we link arms? And 386 00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:11,310 Speaker 4: I was traveling globally in different parts of the world, 387 00:19:11,970 --> 00:19:15,389 Speaker 4: doing water projects, building schools and churches and orphanages. And 388 00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 4: in all of that, somebody asked me to see a 389 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,380 Speaker 4: red light district in New Delhi, India. And I saw 390 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,820 Speaker 4: the horror of trafficking where women literally kept in cages 391 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,780 Speaker 4: and cells. And that red light district was 37,000 sex 392 00:19:26,820 --> 00:19:29,290 Speaker 4: workers then on a street a mile and a half 393 00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 4: in length. And I took roses for these women thinking, 394 00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:36,020 Speaker 4: I bought 500 roses thinking I'll give these rose. And 395 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: that's when a girl grabbed me and said, if you 396 00:19:37,859 --> 00:19:39,580 Speaker 4: really care for me, get me out of here. And 397 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 4: she grabbed my arm. And I was like, what can 398 00:19:41,940 --> 00:19:44,850 Speaker 4: I do? This is controlled by the mafia. And just 399 00:19:44,869 --> 00:19:47,730 Speaker 4: when I'm thinking, you know, men buy these women. So 400 00:19:47,790 --> 00:19:50,540 Speaker 4: I was feeling horrible about us men. that do this, 401 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,649 Speaker 4: men that do this to women. And that's when I 402 00:19:52,670 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 4: feel the Lord speak to me saying, two things I've 403 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 4: done for you. I've physically rescued you and spiritually rescued you. 404 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 4: This is what these girls need to experience. I feel like, 405 00:20:02,460 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 4: you know, we look at our world when we live 406 00:20:04,020 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 4: our world. We go about a normal day of life. 407 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 4: We look at each other with our natural eyes. But 408 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,310 Speaker 4: someone who follows Jesus, Every now and then God will 409 00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:15,310 Speaker 4: show us the world through his eyes, which is spiritual eyes. 410 00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:18,169 Speaker 4: And if you catch something with the eyes of God, 411 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:22,330 Speaker 4: then you better say yes. And you may not have 412 00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 4: the resource or the tools or how to do it. 413 00:20:24,730 --> 00:20:26,930 Speaker 4: So I just felt it was a God moment that 414 00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:30,010 Speaker 4: God chose me to see what I saw. And I 415 00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:32,540 Speaker 4: said yes. And so we started this movement which rescues 416 00:20:32,580 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: women and children and rehabilitates them. They stay with us 417 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: for two years in our safe houses. We also work 418 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 4: with at-risk kids. In fact, I've got 900 at-risk kids 419 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 4: from some of the most at-traffic communities in the world. 420 00:20:44,820 --> 00:20:47,100 Speaker 4: They will all be sold as a child bride, the 421 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 4: girls especially. And so we give them education, clothing, meals. 422 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,180 Speaker 4: So it's the joy of my life to see these 423 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 4: women and children set free and find their inner peace 424 00:20:56,660 --> 00:20:59,459 Speaker 4: with God. And I feel like that is a challenge 425 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 4: that I would like to throw it out to all 426 00:21:01,820 --> 00:21:06,100 Speaker 4: of the church in America and around the world. You know, Jesus... 427 00:21:06,430 --> 00:21:08,670 Speaker 4: You know, the whole values on which the Western civilization 428 00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:11,820 Speaker 4: has been built on freedom and liberty, they're all gospel 429 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: values that comes from knowing who Jesus is. And, you know, 430 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,700 Speaker 4: we all know that is a mandate of the gospel. 431 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:21,460 Speaker 4: Jesus says in his coming out speech, in his Day 432 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:24,850 Speaker 4: of the Union speech, he says, I've come to proclaim 433 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:27,949 Speaker 4: freedom to the captives. And there's 50 million people who 434 00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:31,210 Speaker 4: are captive physically, and many of them even in America. 435 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:34,830 Speaker 4: So for those of us that value freedom, freedom in 436 00:21:34,869 --> 00:21:37,940 Speaker 4: America is, but also our spiritual freedom. I think we 437 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,300 Speaker 4: owe it. It's not a, it's a mandate. It's not 438 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 4: an option. What can you do? Somebody can go, somebody 439 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:47,810 Speaker 4: can pray, somebody can give, but we all can do 440 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,129 Speaker 4: something to see these people meet Jesus and experience freedom 441 00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:52,610 Speaker 4: in their life. 442 00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:55,650 Speaker 2: And for those who want more information, they can find 443 00:21:55,670 --> 00:21:58,230 Speaker 2: it at youcanfreeus.org. And I believe you also have a 444 00:21:58,260 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: website as well. 445 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,300 Speaker 4: Is that right, Shusho? No, I'd like to point that 446 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,859 Speaker 4: to youcanfreeus.org because I do have a website, but I'd 447 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 4: rather them go there because I feel like our work 448 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 4: is in a crazy space of acceleration. So if somebody, 449 00:22:10,619 --> 00:22:13,859 Speaker 4: there's so many great causes out there, right? I mean, Michael, there's, 450 00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 4: I mean, somebody has a heart to feed children. Somebody 451 00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:18,790 Speaker 4: has a heart to build churches. Go do that. Every 452 00:22:18,850 --> 00:22:22,369 Speaker 4: cause is important, but if there's somebody that's looking to 453 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:25,150 Speaker 4: invest in a cause that's fighting for justice and women 454 00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:28,189 Speaker 4: and children, and only then, then support us. And by 455 00:22:28,210 --> 00:22:31,990 Speaker 4: the way, Don't send us your tithes. Your tithes go 456 00:22:32,010 --> 00:22:33,850 Speaker 4: to your local church. Please don't send it to us. 457 00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:36,669 Speaker 4: But if you have extra and if you have passion 458 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:40,369 Speaker 4: about fighting, trafficking, and supporting women and children, then yes, 459 00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:42,950 Speaker 4: please come visit our website, YouCanFreeUs.org. 460 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: Sujong, thanks so much. 461 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 4: Thank you, Fran. 462 00:22:48,340 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 5: If you liked today's episode, please subscribe and leave a 463 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 5: five-star review. That's how we help more people just like 464 00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:56,820 Speaker 5: you find the show. 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