1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Much to get to as always today will be joined 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: later in the show by two experts at the Heritgeoundation. 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Yes it is Heritage Day apparently here on the Josh 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: Shammer Show. E g Antoni, the chief Economists and Jay Richards, 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: vice President for Domestic and Social Policy. They will both 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: join us to unpack their various areas of idiosyncratic expertise. 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: But for now we lead with this. Yesterday, the Dnaldre 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: administration taking a tremendous act of deregulatory relief. The administration, 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: in a press conference from the President himself, Donald J. Trump, 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: talk about how this is the largest red tape recision 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: in American regulatory history. Yes, that is the word from 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: the White House. They are acting this Obama era rule 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: from two thousand and nine, the so called EPA Endangerment Policy. 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: This was a policy that essentially set that you could 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: regulate at least six additional greenhouse gases, so specifically, carbon dioxide, methane, 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: and nitrous oxide are some of the gases there. You 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: could essentially said that you could regulate these as pollutants 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 1: for purposes of the clean air Act, which is a 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: long standing, more than half a century old piece of 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: legislation that is essentially the foundation, the cornerstone of much 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: of the present EPA authority. So long story short, breaking 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: through the legal jargon here a little bit here, Obama 24 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: tried to regulate carbon dioxide as in like literally like 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: what comes out of our mouths, and methane like cow farts. Okay, 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: he was trying to regulate what comes out of our 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: mouth and cow's rear ends as as gases to be 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: regulated for purposes of saving the planet and the polar 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: ice caps melting, and you know, all the typical John 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: Kerry al Gore nonsense that really also often the find 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: that particularly soor did Era. So specifically here is this 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: is a a release from the administration. The EPA in 33 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: two nine said the climate change was a quote endangerment, 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: and initially Obama but also President Biden. They have used 35 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: this as justification to introduce various climate mandates. Here's the 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: key part going around congressional authorization. This is the whole 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: problem of the unelected branch, the whole problem of the 38 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: deep state, of the administrative state. There is they circumvent Congress. 39 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: You're able to implement rules that essentially function as laws 40 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: at a very philosophical level. That's the whole problem here. Again, 41 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: we the people fought a revolution against the British under 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: the grounds of no taxation without representation, but versas of 43 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine engagement finding, where they're literally 44 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: regulating comes out of my mouth and your mouth as 45 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: a gas to be regulated because it might corrode the 46 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: ozone layer that is social transformation. Frankly, without representation, it's 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: a big, big problem. So just a couple of examples 48 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: here as to what the last two Democrat administrations, the 49 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: Obama and bidminstrations, have done pursuant to this two thousand 50 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: and nine endangerment finding, which is kind of really the 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: big initial holy grail of the Obama Greeny radical agenda. 52 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: So in twenty ten, the EPA and the National Highway 53 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: Traffic Safety Administration began issuing tailpipe emission standards or passenger 54 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: cars and light trucks. You've had all sorts of emission 55 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: standards when it comes to the minimum required MPG miles 56 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: per gallon. You've had also brother features, by the way, 57 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: in cars like these mandates to have this terrible feature 58 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: which has now thankfully, thankfully been repealed the start stop 59 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: engine feature. If you know what I'm talking about, then 60 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: you're probably shaking your head in vigorous agreement this thing 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: has gone away. If not, you probably have an older 62 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: car and you haven't had to suffer through this terrible 63 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: new feature. But this feature is basically the default setting 64 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: on pretty much every new car today. Certainly my current car, 65 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: the one that I drive, has an engine feature where 66 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: it is pre set to every time you stop at 67 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: a red light, the engine turns off, and then immediately 68 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: when you have the gas to accelerate that the engine 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: turns back on. It's a horrible, horrible feature. Whoever thought 70 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: this would be enjoyable or pleasurable for the driver clearly 71 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: has never driven a car. That thing is now repealed 72 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: to all of this, All this has been done again 73 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: according to this two thousand and nine endangerment finding. So, 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, President Trump had this press conference at 75 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: the White House yesterday where they are teasing this again 76 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: as the single largest act of regulatory relief in America, 77 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: the White House saying that it could save up to 78 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: one point three trillion dollars in total, or about eight 79 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: and twenty three dollars per resident. That's a lot of money. 80 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: That is a non notable, substantial sum. Here was Donald 81 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Trump at the White House yesterday talking about this move 82 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: in its formality. 83 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: Under the process just completed by the EPA, we are 84 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: officially terminating the so called Endangerment Finding, a disastrous Obama 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 2: era policy that's severely damaged the American auto industry and 86 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: massively drove up prices for American consumers. Prices went up 87 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: incredibly for a worse product. This action will eliminate over 88 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: one point three trillion dollars of regulatory costs and help 89 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 2: bring car prices tumbling down dramatically. You're going to get 90 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: a better car. You're gonna get a car that starts easier, 91 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: a car that works better, for a lot less money. 92 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump flanked there out aside by Lez Elden, the 93 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: EPA administrator, who has been one of the unsung heroes 94 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: frankly of the administration. Here's a little bit more from 95 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump at White House yesterday. 96 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: In two thousand and nine, Barack Hussein Obama his EPA 97 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: designated fossil fuels such as oil, guess and other things 98 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: that actually make factories rock and roll and other things 99 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: drive very nicely as a threat to health and human welfare, 100 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: known as the endangerment finding. This determination had no basis, 101 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: in fact, had none whatsoever, and it had no basis 102 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: in law. On the contrary, over the generation's fossil fuels 103 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: have saved millions of lives and lifted billions of people 104 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: out of poverty and all over the world. And you 105 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: see it with the blackouts all over where they don't 106 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 2: use it, where they went to wind, intermittent wind. And 107 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: yet this radical rule became the legal foundation for the 108 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: Green New scam, one of the greatest scams in history, 109 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: probably as great, maybe even greater than Russia Russia Russia Hoax, etc. 110 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: So look great stuff. Frankly, when it comes to the trumministration, folks, 111 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: energy policy is the mother's milk all the economy. We'll 112 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: get into this a little bit more with E. J 113 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: Antoni in the next part of our show, but allow 114 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: me to explain as follows everything that you do, really 115 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: essentially everything. Certainly when it comes to consumer goods, it 116 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: comes to transportation services, white collar services perhaps perhaps slightly different, 117 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: but the overwhelming large part of the economy, large swaths, 118 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: very large swaths in the commune to day are ultimately downstream, 119 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: as to say, they are directly affected by the price, availability, 120 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: and abundance of energy. Thing about goods that are imported, 121 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: those goods have to come via tanker or plane. Either 122 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: way the tank or the plane is consuming fuel. I 123 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: think those shipping companies are just taking the hits if 124 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: oil is trading at one hundred and twenty a barrel 125 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. No, they're passing it on to the consumer. 126 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: So to with trucking when it comes to something that 127 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: is shifted from California to New York or wherever the 128 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: case may be. There, all of this stuff ultimately trickles 129 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: down to the American consumer. If you're worried about affordability, 130 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: cost of living, price of living, all these things there 131 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: and most of these metrics are doing quite well. There 132 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: was actually an amazing inflation number this morning, which game 133 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: will get into after the break with e g Antni. 134 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: But if you're worried about this, the number one easiest 135 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: bang for your buck, lowest hanging fruit thing that I 136 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: believe you could do is to go whole hog at 137 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: trying to make energy more abundant and to decrease to 138 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: decrease the regulatory ambits of the Greeny radicals in the 139 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: deep state of the EPA and the Department of Energy 140 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: and various other tentacles of the federal government there in 141 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: the nation's capital. So kudos to Lead Zelvin EPA. Kudos 142 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: to Chris Right of the part and of Energy, who 143 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: has been kind of a kind of a behind the 144 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: scenes player here in Trump's cabinet. He's been very, very good. 145 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: Administration continues to work really hard to expand offshore and 146 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: onshore drilling. Frankly, America needs a lot more coal, needs 147 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: a lot more natural gas, needs a lot more nuclear 148 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: power as well, by the way, especially if we are 149 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: going to reliably if we're going to reliably have the 150 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: power capacity in the bandwidth for the a revolution that 151 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: is already here and is going to take up much 152 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: of the power grid over the next twenty thirty years, 153 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: you better bet that we're going to need as much 154 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: coal and natural gas, all the above as possible. And 155 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: this is the key one that I want to leave 156 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: you with when it comes to this two thousand nine 157 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: o Bomber Rule revocation and the Greeny radical agenda in general. 158 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: And the key point is this the war on available energy, 159 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: the war on things like carbon dioxide and methane. To 160 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: take us back to this rule that's now been revoked, 161 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: is a war on the working class by the uber 162 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: privileged and the uber wealthy. Rob Henderson, guy I know, 163 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, Very Sharp Guy. 164 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Rob Henderson has a term called a luxury belief. Maybe 165 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: you've heard it, maybe you haven't. A luxury belief is 166 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: essentially a belief that a political liberal holds. That is 167 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: not a belief that is consistent with the day to 168 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: day life of someone from the working or middle class. 169 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: It is a belief that that person can have because 170 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: he or she leaves a leads a cloister privileged lifestyle. 171 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: Think about drug legalization. If you live in a fancy 172 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: brownstone in the upper West Side of Manhattan there, or 173 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: you live in a mansion in the Hollywood Hills, perhaps 174 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: you can afford to spout your libertarian or liberal platitudes 175 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: about legalizing cocaine, heroin, Fentham, all whatever, there, whatever, Let 176 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: the chips for all the may No. That has real 177 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: repercussions for people lower down the economic ladder. Well, the 178 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: quintessential luxury belief of them all is the war on 179 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: affordable energy and the greeny environmental regulation agenda in general. 180 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: There is literally no other belief th encapsulates it quite 181 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: like this. So every Democrat out there who is condemning 182 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Republicans as being these tools of Wall Street, 183 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: these out of touch a leaders that there. If you 184 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: support an emboldened EPA, if you support the Clean Air 185 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: Act reaching the carbon dot and methane, you are wildly, 186 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: wildly out of touch. It is the quintessential, the sine 187 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: qua non of the luxury belief system of beliefs. Again, 188 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: there's many, many such issues when it comes to economics, 189 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to social policy, there a good for 190 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: the administration. This is exactly what you should be doing 191 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: in order to reassure the voters this November, because it 192 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: will be the economy stupid, have no doubt whatsoever about that. Well, folks, 193 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: stay with us with the break. Will be joined on 194 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 1: this side by e Jantoni, he's chief economist of the 195 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: heritfoun nation. We will continue this conversation all things the economy. 196 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to miss this with ej Antoni. 197 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: Stay with us with the break folks, we will be 198 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: right back on the other side. Welcome back. So if 199 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: you're a long standing listener or if you or the show, 200 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: you know the one of our working thesis is that 201 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carvel had it right. No, he didn't have it 202 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: right when it came to his prefer candidate, Bill Clinton, 203 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: but he famously had it right when it comes to 204 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: notion that it was, is and remains the economy stupid, 205 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: and that is going to be the number one issue 206 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: without any doubt on voters' minds to this November. So 207 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: we want to bring on someone who is well equipped 208 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: to discuss the economy and what it could potentially mean 209 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: perhaps when it comes to voters without the polls this November, 210 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: and that man is EJ Antoni. He is the active 211 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: director for the Thomas A. Rowe Institute for Economic Policy 212 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: Studies and the chief economists for the Heritage Foundation. He's 213 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: actually the first of our two Heritage guests in the 214 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: program today. Jay Richards will be coming up just after 215 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: ej Antoni. But ej thank you very much for joining 216 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: the Josh Hammer Show. So let's go ahead and just 217 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: dive right in here. New inflation numbers, I believe were 218 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: actually below analysts expectations there. And meanwhile, there was an 219 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: amazing jobs report that came out earlier this week. There 220 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: tie these strands together for us kind of the big 221 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: picture here, these new reports, inflation, jobs, how's it going 222 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: out there? 223 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: Sure, well, it's been a really great week in terms 224 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: of the economic data. Obviously have ups and downs, but 225 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 3: this is certainly one of the ups. Between the jobs 226 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: report that we got, as you said on Wednesday, the 227 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: inflation data on Friday, really really solid numbers here, and 228 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: when you tie the two of those together, I think 229 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: it paints an even rosier picture. What I mean by 230 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: that is, it's good to see inflation coming down, right, 231 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: prices are rising slower. It's also good to see something 232 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: like incomes rising, especially if they're rising faster. But you 233 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: put those two together, and what we see is that 234 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: not only for the month of January, but for Trump's 235 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: first year, you had incomes outpacing income growth, I should say, 236 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: outpacing inflation. In other words, not only did you have 237 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: a larger weekly paycheck, that's great, but your paycheck could 238 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: now buy you more. So this is the opposite of 239 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: what we saw under Biden. The average Americans weekly paycheck 240 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: actually shrunk about four percent in terms of what it 241 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: could buy in other words, adjusted for inflation or adjusted 242 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: for price increases. Under Trump, in just one year, that 243 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 3: paycheck now buys you about two percent more, because again, 244 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 3: yes the paycheck's gone up, but most importantly, it's gone 245 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 3: up faster than inflation. And so that right away, I think, 246 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: tells us two things by the way. Number one that 247 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 3: we were on the wrong track. Now we're on the 248 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: right track. We've course corrected. But number two that we 249 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 3: have not yet regained all of the lost ground under Biden. 250 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: And I think this is how you square the circle 251 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: of how the economy can be improving so much and 252 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: yet people are still so unhappy about it. They are 253 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: not comparing today to one year ago, they are comparing 254 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: today to five or six years ago, and by that metric, 255 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: they've still lost ground. Now again, that's not to say 256 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 3: it's all doom and gloom, right, we're improving, it's just 257 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: not all sunshine and rainbows either, for sure. 258 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: And look, ecommy is obviously an intrinsically complicated to of 259 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: it. It is not necessarily an easy kind of thumbs up 260 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: thumbs down kind of dichotomy of an issue, but more 261 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: generally ej and again fells eja Antoni at the Achieved 262 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: Comments at the Heart's Foundation. You can follow him on 263 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: x at Real ej Antoni. I would love your thoughts 264 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: more generally on the notion of affordability and the Democrats 265 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: the corporate media are pushing really, really, really hard the 266 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: notion that there is an affordability crisis in America, and 267 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: the American people to some extents, have relayed that to polsters. 268 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: I remembered this poll from early December where they basically 269 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: said that sixty five percent then thought they were financially 270 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: worse off than a year ago. Only seven percent said better. 271 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: Many were in the middle. There's actually now some more 272 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: recent data that shows that trend kind of abating actually 273 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: based on what I can tell there. But what is 274 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: your honest assessment as to the states of affordability the 275 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: state of cost of living obviously inferential depends where you live. 276 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: This is obviously a very local issue when it comes 277 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: to things like housing and things like that there, But 278 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: what is your general state of things when it comes 279 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: to affordability, cost of living, and inflation. 280 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: Well, if we're talking about nationwide in other words, a 281 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 3: nationwide weighted average. It just depends on what you want 282 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: to use for your baseline. Again, if you want to 283 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: look at affordability today compared to a year ago, well, 284 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: things have certainly gotten much better. But if you want 285 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: to compare it to four years ago, five years ago, 286 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: six years ago, then you can't make that. You can't 287 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: make that same statement. Right, things are worse, but again 288 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: that has to do with the huge drop we had 289 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: in affordability under Biden. In other words, how much more 290 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: unaffordable things became. But look at something like, since you 291 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: mentioned housing, which is a great topic, look at something 292 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: like what is the monthly mortgage payment on a median 293 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: price home. So we're not talking a mansion here, right, 294 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: just a median price home. Well, under Biden that more 295 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: than doubled. It was up a little more than one 296 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: hundred percent in just four years. I mean that's astonishing. 297 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: Now what has happened under Trump, Well it's down about 298 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: eight percent. So again, monthly mortgage payment on a median 299 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: price home, just like the inflation adjusted weekly paycheck, though, 300 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: that tells you two things. Things were getting worse, but 301 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: now they're getting better. But we haven't yet regained all 302 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: that lost ground. Right, You're still up pretty dramatically compared 303 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 3: to January twenty twenty one. But it is definitely a 304 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: regional problem. You're right on that, where not only do 305 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: you have niche wide unaffordability, but it's also very regional. 306 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: And if you look at housing costs in places where 307 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 3: they are building a lot more housing units, and also 308 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 3: there's a lot of cooperation, let's say, between local law 309 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 3: enforcement and federal law enforcement when it comes to immigration, 310 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 3: and believe it or not, those two things have been 311 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 3: relatively correlated. Look at places like Austin, Dallas, Phoenix, Miami, Tampa. 312 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 3: These are places where rents are actually plunging. They are 313 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 3: way down from their highs. In fact, in most areas 314 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: of Austin you find rents that are back down to 315 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: where they were before the pandemic. 316 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: I mean, that's. 317 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: Astonishing when you consider how much incomes have gone up 318 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 3: over that time. In other words, renting is actually more 319 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: affordable now in certain places than it was six or 320 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 3: seven years ago. Truly astonishing there. So you're absolutely right, 321 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 3: it is becoming a very very regional problem. And I 322 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: think there's also strong reasons to believe that inflation is 323 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: even better right now than the official numbers are reporting, 324 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 3: specifically because of housing. If we look at the way 325 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: that the buer of labor statistics creates their shelter component 326 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: of the overall CPI of the overall index, there's a 327 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: very long lag that's built into it. In other words, 328 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 3: big changes that happen in the index today, whether up 329 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 3: or down, those changes are going to take many months, 330 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: in fact, sometimes more than a year before we see 331 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 3: them fully play out in the headline number, whereas real time, 332 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: real world indicators are already showing those drops in both 333 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 3: home prices and rents. 334 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: It just come in as left here for our break. 335 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about energy as well. So 336 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: in the opening block of our show today, we were 337 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: talking about this tremendous rule revocation that the Chummeinstration has 338 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: just done when it comes to this two thousand and 339 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: nine Obama rule essentially categorizing carbon dioxide as an emission 340 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: that also be regulative for purposes of the Clean Air Act. 341 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: One of my long standing thesis is that energy is 342 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: the mother's milk of affordability, of prices of cost living 343 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: in general, because it essentially factors into literally everything, whether 344 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: it's the price of fuel on the airplane that's shipping 345 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: your goods, or the tanker that's going and docking in 346 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: the port of Long Beach or in New York, or 347 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: the truck or this there. Talk to us about what 348 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: the administration is doing on energy and the role that 349 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: that plays in the improving economic outlook. 350 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: Well, rolling back that the Obama era regulation is a huge, 351 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 3: huge win. It's going to reduce costs not just for cars, 352 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: but transportation costs generally speaking, which as you rightly pointed out, 353 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: is going to factor into the price of everything we 354 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: do and everything we buy. So really tremendous news on 355 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: that front. But the administration has also ended the war 356 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: on clean coal, the war on natural gas, the war 357 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: on nuclear, and so that's really going to help with 358 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 3: electricity generation in the future. Again, that's going to put 359 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: downward pressure on a lot of other prices. And by 360 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: stopping these huge and subsidies and permitting for wind and solar, 361 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: that's also going to take resources away from net losers 362 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: of energy and redirect them into net winners. So again 363 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: big big win for consumers, for businesses, for employees. The 364 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: list goes on and on reallyus tremendous progress on the 365 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: energy front. And we should point out when we look 366 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 3: at these inflation metrics, you're not just seeing lower inflation 367 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: when it comes to energy, you're actually seeing flat out deflation. 368 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: In other words, it's not a matter of prices going 369 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: up slower, prices are actually falling. So that's really welcomed 370 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 3: relief for the consumer. 371 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt about that. Look, I mean energy to 372 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: me again, is really kind of the sinaqon nine of 373 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: prices in the economy there, and I think the maustration 374 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: has really done yeomen's work on that, especially when it 375 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: comes to to coal, as you play to point out 376 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: natural gas, I mean, I mean nuclear power. These are 377 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: the kind of things that I would like to see frankly, 378 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: even more of, although the manstruation is really doing a 379 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: lot of good work on all of us front. So, folks, 380 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: one final time. Eg Aantoni is the chief of Commis 381 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: for the Heritage Round. The follow him on x at 382 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: real ej Antni ej thank you very much for joining us. 383 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: We really appreciate your insights. Please make sure to stop 384 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: again sometime soon. We would appreciate that. 385 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 4: Well, it's my pleasure. Thank you. For having me. 386 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: You bet take here and have a great weekend. Folks. 387 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna be hearing from Jay Richards actually momentarily so 388 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: we're having a very heavy Heritage Foundation shows. Say EJ 389 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: and Jay are actually colleagues at the Heritage Foundation. We're 390 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: going to bring on Jay just after the break. Talk 391 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: about this hearing earlier this week. Maybe you heard about it, 392 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: maybe you did n't. There were some fireworks and a 393 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: pretty obscure hearing about the White House Religious Liberty Commission. Again, 394 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: you might totally miss this, folks. It was really under 395 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: the radar stuff for some there. We will get into 396 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: it after the break. Stay with us. We'll be right 397 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: back with Jay Richards of the Heritage Foundation. Welcome back. 398 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: So we covered the show earlier this week. The hearing 399 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: that turned immediately deeply contentious dare I say outright combative 400 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: at times of the White House Religious Liberty Commission, This 401 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: new body the Donald Trump signed into law via executive 402 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: order last May, and there was a hearing that just 403 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: happened on Andy Semitism. Unfortunately, that hearing was hijacks, was 404 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: hijacked by a one by the name of Carrie Pregene Bohler. 405 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Who decided to take it in an unfortunate direction when 406 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: it comes to trying to argue that her faith Catholicism 407 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: is irreconcilable with with Zionism, and she was wearing a 408 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: PALESTINEI flag. It was a whole whole ordeal. Long story short, 409 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: the chair of the Commission, Dan Patrick, ends up kicking 410 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: her off the commission, and that's where things are. We 411 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: want to bring on a friend of mine personally and 412 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: a friend of the show, doctor J. Richards, for further 413 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: discussion along these lines. A very very sensitive topic, very 414 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: timely topic. So doctor J. Richards, first of all, is 415 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: just a mentioned a very good man. He's also the 416 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: vice president for Social and Domestic Policy and the William E. 417 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: Simons Senior Research Fellow in American Principles and Public Policy 418 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: at the Heritage Foundation. So doctor Richards, if I may 419 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: Jay as I like to call you person, I suppose 420 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: thank you for joining the Josh Ammer Show. We really 421 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: appreciate it. So you've been very outspoken on this. You 422 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: had an essay for the Public Discourse, which is a 423 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: religious concernervative online journal kind of diving into this whole 424 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: debate about Christian Zionism. And you're also a Catholic. And 425 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: I have to say, Jay, watching what happened earlier this 426 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: week or whenever it was there, I felt most bad 427 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: for my Catholic friends who don't agree with what this 428 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: crazy person was saying there. So I mean, why don't 429 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: we just kind of clarify the record there? What does 430 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: Catholicism say when it comes to the various things that 431 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: Caribgiene Boulder was talking about at some horrific length. 432 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean she's not representing the Catholic position on 433 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 5: this question. I mean, she's a very recent convert. I 434 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 5: hav reason to doubt her sincerity, but she clearly doesn't 435 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 5: know what the Church teaches either about the modern state 436 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 5: of Israel or the ongoing covenant of God with the 437 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 5: Jewish people. And so a lot of what she said 438 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 5: unfortunately trades on the ambiguity of this word Zionism. And 439 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 5: I noticed this is why I wrote the essay for 440 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 5: the public discourse, is that a lot of Christians take 441 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 5: Zionism into me very narrow thing, very common among American evangelicals, 442 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 5: that requires that the Old Testaments specifically be prophesying about 443 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 5: the modern state of Israel. All these sorts of things, 444 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 5: and so you get maybe Reformed Christians or Catholics or 445 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 5: Eastern Orthodox that say, well, okay, yeah, we don't sort 446 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 5: of read the scripture that way. And so then she's 447 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 5: essentially saying, look, if you don't allow me to have 448 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 5: a view that's different from this particular type of Zionism, 449 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 5: then you're essentially accusing all of Catholics of being anti 450 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 5: Semites or something like that. 451 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 4: I think, in so far as she had an argument, 452 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: it was something like that. But Zionism has a public meaning. 453 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: It just means at this point that Jews have a 454 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 5: right to a homeland in their ancient region. That is 455 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 5: not a deeply kind of theological claim. Now, at the 456 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 5: same time, there are a lot of Christians, including a 457 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 5: lot of Catholics, that think God's providence is clearly visible 458 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 5: and manifest in the re emergence of the modern state 459 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 5: of Israel. Even if Wese Catholics have some disagreements with 460 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 5: our Protestant friends. 461 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 4: On some of these questions. 462 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 5: It's all I got by fun together and what I 463 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 5: honestly think was clearly planned ahead of time to just 464 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 5: kind of create a debacle right in the middle of 465 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 5: this hearing in which was specifically dedicated this session of 466 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 5: the Commission to the question of anti Semitism. 467 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: So, frankly, Jay, to me, this whole question of Christian 468 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: design isn't To me, it's something of a modern Bailey fallacy, 469 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: isn't it, Where they try to get you, and by 470 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: you I mean defenders of Jewish people, defenders of Israel, etc. 471 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: They try to get you to defend this somewhat narrower 472 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: theological view is oftentimes ascribed to dispensationalism and prosmetism, some 473 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: specific claims there when it comes to eschatology and so 474 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: forth there. But to me, when I hear the word 475 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: Christian zign is amused, and this is kind of the 476 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: purpose of your essay, I take it at face value. 477 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm a lawyer. I think words mean what they say. 478 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: A Christian zign is to me as someone who is 479 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: one a Christian and two a Zionist, and a Zionist 480 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: literally just means that you believe in a Jewish homeland. 481 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: And if we take that at face value, at least 482 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: since the Second Vatican Council, Pope John Paul, the second 483 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: Pope Benedict, it seems a Catholic Church has been as 484 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: pretty consistent on this to talk to us a little 485 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: bit more about that about but those two post perhaps 486 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: in particular John Paul the second and Bennett if you will. 487 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and even Paul the six and the Apostolic 488 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 5: letter encyclical called Nostratat, which essentially repudiated an idea that 489 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 5: wasn't official church teaching, but was common certainly in Catholic 490 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 5: and Christian history, that the Church had entirely superseded and 491 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 5: replaced God's covenant with Israel, that is, with the Jewish people, 492 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 5: and affirm that no, that's not the case. And in fact, 493 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 5: if we read Paul's Letter to the Romans, chapters nine 494 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 5: through eleven, Paul says that the gentiles, gentile Christians are 495 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 5: grafted in to the sort of original plant of God's 496 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 5: covenant with the Jewish people, and so there's not just 497 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 5: this kind of simple replacement, there's a continuity of God's covenant. 498 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 5: Now that's getting kind of deep down in the theology, 499 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 5: but that's a very strong position. So it does that 500 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 5: means that Catholics aren't obligated to weigh in on these 501 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 5: kind of more exotic eschatological claims, as you said, but 502 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 5: we're certainly obligated to believe in God's ongoing care and 503 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 5: providence in covenant with the Jewish people. 504 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 4: However, we kind of work out the details. 505 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 5: Prisjanne was wanting to say, Okay, insist on this really 506 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 5: narrow definition of Christian Zionism precisely so that she could 507 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 5: she thought, I suppose she imagined she was gonna get 508 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 5: Seth Dylon, you know, to sort of fumble this, But 509 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 5: that so much of this hinges on this equivocation, so 510 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 5: that it seems sort of complicated. Okay, can an anti 511 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 5: Zionist also not be an anti Semite or something like that, 512 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 5: which a lot of it, of course, depends upon how 513 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 5: precisely you define the terms. But I find the whole 514 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 5: thing a kind of really bizarre and manipulative language game. 515 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: Well, frankly, she just doesn't know Seth Dylan, because Seth 516 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: Dylan was on the show not so long ago to 517 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: discuss these very topics, and he knows his Bible certainly 518 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: quite well. Folks follow doctor Jay Richards on x d R. 519 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: Jay Richards Jane, let's zoom out a little bit now 520 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: and kind of extra care cells from the contentious hearing 521 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: and kind of talk about the broader, broader conversation that's happening. 522 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: So I think that you'd have to be living under 523 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: rock tog nor the fact that that anti Semitism in 524 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: America is at a historic high at this time, and 525 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: it's no longer just limited to the American left. I 526 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: think everyone who's paying attention recognizes this. There it's not ubiquitous, 527 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: or perhaps it's not even pervasive on the American rights, 528 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: but it is definitely growing, and it's definitely growing among Zoomers, 529 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: among younger Conservatis in particular. There, what are your best 530 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: ideas how all of us Jews, Catholics, Protestants can come 531 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: together and defeat this most ancient scourge. Are there any 532 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: conspecific tactics that come to mind? 533 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 5: I do, And honestly, I think, Josh, a lot of 534 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 5: this started because basically social media propaganda campaign, a kind 535 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 5: of bought swarm that happened after October seventh. Most Zoomers, 536 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 5: as you say, get most of their information from social media, unfortunately, 537 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 5: and there's a massive anti Israel propaganda campaign underway, so 538 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 5: that just some of the most sort of basic facts 539 00:28:59,080 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 5: get blurred. 540 00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 4: Unfortunate. 541 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 5: But you said, I don't think this is in any 542 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 5: way a majority of gen z rs, but there's a 543 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 5: sort of a pocket of them that are sort of 544 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 5: rabbit and they're terminally online. And so what you have 545 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 5: is this kind of social media influencer economics in which 546 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 5: more and more outrageous claims get more and more engagement, 547 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 5: and so you get the kind of candas Owens phenomenon. 548 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 5: The way I like to think about this as a conservative, 549 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 5: I say, look, what does the left want to do? 550 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 4: Well? 551 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 5: The left wants to divide Christians from Christians, Catholics from Evangelicals, 552 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 5: from Eastern Orthodox Christians, from Jews, liberal and conservative Jews. 553 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 4: They want to destroy the coalition. 554 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 5: Frankly under Donald Trump that's quite very and diverse but 555 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 5: also unified. 556 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 4: This is the best way to do it. We already know. 557 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 5: About the anti semitism on the left, there's a problem. 558 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 5: And then the truth of the matter is on the right, 559 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 5: certainly for gen xers and millennials, that anti semitism wasn't 560 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 5: a thing. And so I really do think that there 561 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 5: has been a concerted campaign just basically to infiltrate and 562 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 5: to encourage, in foment this kind of anti semitism on 563 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 5: the right. But it's a re and so I think 564 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 5: for genuine conservatives we need to say, Okay, what does 565 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 5: left want us to do right now? 566 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 4: And then we need to do the opposite right now. 567 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: We're not doing that, unfortunately, no we're not. And you know, Frankly, 568 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: Jay and just a few seconds left here is may 569 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: will end on this part of this, frankly, seems to 570 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: be something of a move to sick evangelicals against Catholics 571 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: and Catholics against Evangelicals. There's an angle here where the 572 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: Jews are actually con just collateral damage that's not necessarily 573 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: might claim, because the Jews are very much in the crossairs. 574 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: No one knows that better than me, but to no 575 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: small extent, I think this is kind of almost a 576 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: Catholic Evangelical proxy war there, and that's somewhat alien as 577 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: well to the conservative movement. So that's a new problem 578 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: as well. We should really try to kick out asap. 579 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 5: Right totally agree, and I think obviously conservative evangelicals are 580 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 5: the core base of the GOP, and so I think 581 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 5: that is ultimately what this is about. 582 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 4: Though, as you say, the Jews are caught in the crossairs. 583 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about that. Folks follow doutor J Richards 584 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: on ax's d R J Richards once again. He is 585 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: the vice president of Social and Domestic Policy at the 586 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation. Check out his an essay at the public 587 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: discourse what is Zionism? What is Christian Zionism? Well, doctor Richards, 588 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: wishing you a wonderful weekend. Thank you was always for 589 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: joining the Josh Shimmer Show. We really do appreciate it. 590 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks Josh, folks. As I said, you can 591 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: follow him on x at d R J. Richards. Just 592 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: a wonderful human being doing good work to try to 593 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: build bridges here connect all fates. That is a recurring 594 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: theme here on the Josh Shammer Show. We are always 595 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: passionate about connecting communities of faiths. Stay, let us do 596 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: the break, folks. We'll be right back with much more 597 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: right on the other side. Welcome back. You know, I 598 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: can't always remember if we've had Jay Richards in conversation 599 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: at some point since this show first launch in its 600 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: first version four years ago, more or less. But just 601 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: a wonderful human being, like one of the more upstanding 602 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: people that I've met in this moment over the years, 603 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: and I want to spend some time just unpacking the 604 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: conversation that we just had. But first, just a quick 605 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, Bounce of Nature. So, Bounce of 606 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: Nature has these wonderful dietary selfments. Here. 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So 621 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: I do want to just unpack a little bit more 622 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: of a conversation with Jay Richards before getting through some closing 623 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: thoughts for today's show. This notion that any of the 624 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: three major American Biblical religions I'm thinking here of Prosmetism, Catholicism, 625 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: and Judaism. There's of course Eastern Orthodoxy as well, and 626 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: there's actually a growing East Northox population in the United States. 627 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: But historically speaking of America is of course Protestant majority country, 628 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: and the other two biblical religions after Proissism that have 629 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: always had larger or at least non negligible presidence in 630 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: America since the days of the founding ar Catholicism and Judaism. 631 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: So that's one speaking I hear one I think of 632 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: the three Biblical religions in America. The notion that these 633 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: three religions ought to be at loggerheads with one another 634 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: or in severe tens with one another, it's totally poisonous, 635 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: not just a moral level, but think also just a 636 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: crass political coalition building level. Do the folks who are 637 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: trying to sow the seeds of discourse, who are trying 638 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: to not just throw up all the anti Semitism, but 639 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: the folks who are trying to sick Catholics on Evangelicals 640 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: or the other way around. I mean, think about the 641 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson Nick Flunday's interview, which really sparked a lot 642 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: of this Christian Zionist conversation there. That's a conversation where 643 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson infamously says to Nick fluntdays in late October, 644 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: he says that he hates Christian Zionists more than anyone 645 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: else in the world. And again, as I said to Richards, 646 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm a lawyer, I take words of face value. So 647 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: the same way that I interpret Christian Zionists to mean 648 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: exactly what it says that you are both a Christian Zionist, 649 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: so too do I interpret when Tucker says that he 650 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: hates them more than anyone in the world, to actually 651 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: mean more than anyone in the world, more than Antifa, 652 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: more than black lives matter, more than al Qaeda, isis 653 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: hamas you know, pink haired, you know, greeny, radical climate change, hippie, 654 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: dippy woodstock weed smoke and weirdos Burke whatever. Okay, I 655 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: take that at face value. I really believe that what 656 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: is the purpose of this other than to in this 657 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: case demoralize Christian Zionists. Whethers Christian Zionists are defined in 658 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: this Mott Bailey fallacy type thing as the Motts or 659 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: the Bailey in the narrower conception of quote unquot Christian 660 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: Zionism as being specific certain types of dispensationalist and other 661 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: Protestant theological or schatological views, or just the broader, more 662 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: generic term. It's really the one that I think of, 663 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: and certainly the one that Jay Richards thinks of as well. 664 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 2: Well. 665 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: It's all a demoralization op. But think again about just 666 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: the building blocks here, the politics of this. Do the 667 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: folks who are doing this actually think that they can 668 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: construct a winning political coalition just of their own religious 669 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: sectarian plurality or minority. Really, in today's day and age, 670 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: where church attendance rates have been plummeting for decades, where 671 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: you've had this well documented rise of the nuns aka 672 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: those who have no religious afiliation, as evidenced by Pew 673 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: and Gallup and pretty much every reputa polster going back decades, 674 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: really you think that amidst those trends, amidst the rise 675 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: of the wokarate, the rise of the greeny radicals of 676 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: d I in intersectionality and all this crap, you think 677 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: that you can construct a political coalition just of a 678 00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: certain theological hue within Christianity. It's totally crazy. So I mean, 679 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 1: holding even aside the immoral nature of this, even even 680 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: holding aside that jew hatred is the destroyer of civilizations 681 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: going back three to four millennia. A major theme of 682 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: my first book is real civilization, and probably a major 683 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: theme of my second book as well, God willing even 684 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: holding out aside just looking at the actual building blocks 685 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: of politics and electoral coalitions here, it doesn't just make 686 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: no sense, it makes actually negative sense. So frankly, from 687 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: that perspective, I just have absolutely no idea what is 688 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: going on here? 689 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 4: Now. 690 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: One other thing that I wanted to revisit, just briefly, 691 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: we had in conversation one of e. J Antoni and 692 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: Jay Richards's colleagues at the Herits from Nation early this 693 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: week is it's been a very heavy week actually for 694 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: our friends of Heritage here on the Josh Hammershell. We 695 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: had Steve Yates earlier on this week to talk about 696 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: this new election in Japan. When it comes to the 697 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: Iron Lady of Japan as she is being branded Snai Takaichi, 698 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: who has a huge, huge, emboldened conservative majority in her 699 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: Liberal Democratic Party, the LDP, which is the right of 700 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: center party there in Japan. Takaichi is a is a 701 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: border hawk, is a China Hawk, really talks and sounds 702 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: like a conservative. There is a lot of potential here 703 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to a US Japan relationship for the 704 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: twenty first century and potentially beyond. As we discussed with 705 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: Steve Yates, Donald Trump was very close with Shinzo Abbi, 706 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: the conservative prime minister who Trump largely overlapped with during 707 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: his first term and who subsequently was just horrifically, horrifically 708 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: assassinated back in twenty twenty two. I believe it was 709 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: just an incredibly rare event in Japan. But Taikaichi really 710 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 1: now has an opportunity to finish Abe's work. And one 711 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: thing that I've been saying for years, and we had 712 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: this we had a conversation with Stevie's a little bit 713 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 1: earlier this week, is Japan has to re arm, Japan 714 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: has to build back its military again, and Franklin to 715 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: recover a sense of purpose and pro again. Look, Americans 716 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: all too well know that Japan has had issues in 717 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: the past, no doubt about that. I mean, look what 718 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 1: happened in the first half the twentieth century. Japan was crazy, 719 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean absolutely crazy. I mean they were frankly acting 720 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: in Nazi esque fashion. And the rape of Nanjing, this 721 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: that Pearl Harbor. Of course, no one denies this, but 722 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: you live in the present. You don't live centuries ago 723 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,919 Speaker 1: and the present. The Chinese Communist Party is America's first, second, third, fourth, 724 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: and fifth largest threat in the world and stands to reason. 725 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: But a country like Japan, with well over one hundred 726 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: million people, with incredible technological know how, they ought to 727 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: be the lynchpin of America's Indo Pacific strategy there. I'm 728 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: really hoping that Donald Trump is communicating that to Takaichi. 729 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: There was a rumor of a phone call between Trump 730 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: and Takaichi a couple months ago where Trump allegedly, if 731 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: you believe the reporting, said to Takaichi to tone down 732 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: the rhetoric when it came to Taiwan. Apparently Japan was 733 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: threatening to militarily defend Taiwan China where to invade there, 734 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,919 Speaker 1: and Trump basically, allegedly, if you believe the reporting, said 735 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: tone that down. I don't like that. Let's end this. 736 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: Not good you want to encourage Japan to really be 737 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: the anchor of America's geopolitical strategy. They are in the region, 738 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: and that absolutely positively includes Japan being on the front lines. 739 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: God forbid of any prospective hypothetical people's liberation Army shi 740 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: jimping invasion of the Taiwanese island. So hopefully that is 741 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,919 Speaker 1: all cleared up. Certainly the Japanese people seem to want 742 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: that as well, based on the huge margin victory for 743 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: Takaichi in the recent Japanese election earlier this week. One 744 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: other final notes before we go, So tomorrow is actually 745 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. You know, as an observant Jew, my wife 746 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: and I, we don't really do Valentine's Day on the 747 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: Jewish calendar. That there actually is kind of the Jewish 748 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,479 Speaker 1: version of Valentine's a fuel. It's actually called Tube ofv 749 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: It's the middle of the month of av and the 750 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: Hebrew calendar, which typically is around July or August on 751 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: the English American calendar there but any event, most Americans 752 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,479 Speaker 1: will be celebrating Valentine's Day tomorrow. And I was looking 753 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: at this new from a wonderful organization called the Institute 754 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: for Family studies IFS and the study that they did 755 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: with the Weekly Institute, a joint study finds that there 756 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: is a quote dating recession among young American adults. They 757 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: write that seventy four percent of young women and sixty 758 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: four percent of young men report that they had not 759 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: dated or dated only a few times in the last year. Apparently, 760 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: young adults frequently say that they're worried about the cost 761 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: of dating, they've been scarred by previous romantic experiences that 762 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: ended poorly, and they also just don't have a whole 763 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: lot of self confidence. This has to change, folks. If 764 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: you want to make your life better, it's you this 765 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 1: victim of mentality where it's a victim of the system. 766 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: There is a leftist mentality. The proper approach, the time tested, 767 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: historical conservative approach, the Biblical approach, is that you have 768 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: free will, you have agents, you have choice. You can 769 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: change your life. You can go to the gym, you 770 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: can eat health, you can ask that girl out. You 771 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: know this Valentine's Day. Maybe you have a day, maybe 772 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: you don't. But if you don't, ask yourself why you 773 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: don't when you can be doing differently to eat better, 774 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: to make your confidence build up there so that you 775 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: too can ask that girl out. That's my wish frankly 776 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 1: watching and reading this this terrible poll, and hopefully those 777 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: wins change for the better asap. Folks, have a great weekend, 778 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: enjoy your Palentine's Day. We'll be right back on Monday.