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Speaker 2: In the chaos of life, when the bills pilau, fear

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Speaker 2: just don't come. That's where prayer steps in, grounding us

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Speaker 2: in God's presence and reminding us we're never alone. On

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Speaker 2: this episode of your Hope Filled Perspective, in honor of

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Speaker 2: the National Day of Prayer, I'm talking with my friend

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Speaker 2: Tamma Fortner. She's the best selling author of over sixty books,

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Speaker 2: and her news book Prayers for Each Moment has released.

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Speaker 2: This is a powerful book that offers heartfelt conversations with

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Speaker 2: God for real life situations, helping us to move beyond

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Speaker 2: scripted words into authentic, soul deep connection. Whether you're struggling

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Speaker 2: to pray or simply longing for a deeper rhythm of

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Speaker 2: communication with God, these conversations will meet you right where

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Speaker 2: you are. Welcome back to your hope fielled Prespective was

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Speaker 2: doctor Michelle bankson where our goal is to restore hope,

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Speaker 2: renew minds, and empower listeners to live in your God

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Speaker 2: given identity. I'm delighted you've chosen to spend a few

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Speaker 2: minutes of your week with us today. We're going to

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Speaker 2: be talking about how to have honest conversations with God

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Speaker 2: when you don't know what to say. We'll dive into

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Speaker 2: this right after a brief word from our sponsor. Prayer

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Speaker 2: is one of the greatest gifts God has given us

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Speaker 2: yet for being honest. For many of us, it can

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Speaker 2: also feel like one of the hardest disciplines to practice consistently.

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Speaker 2: Do we have the right words, are we doing it enough?

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Speaker 2: And how do we bring our real struggles in everyday

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Speaker 2: moments before a holy God. Today's guest Tamma Fortner's award

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Speaker 2: winning and best selling author of Prayers for Each Moment,

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Speaker 2: one hundred Conversations with God about real life and real stuff.

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Speaker 2: She joins us to remind us that prayer isn't about performance,

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Speaker 2: It's about relationship. Together, we'll explore how prayer can both

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Speaker 2: be an invitation and a lifeline, and how it connects

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Speaker 2: our everyday lives to God's extraordinary love.

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Speaker 1: Friends.

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Speaker 2: This reminded me of a passage from Psalm one sixteen,

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Speaker 2: verse two that says, because he turned his ear to me,

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Speaker 2: I will call on him as long as I live.

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Speaker 2: Tama is an ECPA Award winning and best selling author

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Speaker 2: with more than sixty books to her credit, including Everyday

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Speaker 2: Joy's Devotional and Simply Christmas. You might remember because she's

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Speaker 2: been on the podcast before. In fact, I think it

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Speaker 2: was to talk about Simply Christmas. She's corroborated with some

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Speaker 2: of the biggest names in Christian publishing to create inspirational

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Speaker 2: books for all ages. But her greatest accomplishments happen in

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Speaker 2: a happy little home on the outskirts of Nashville, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: where she lives with her family and two feisty, cute

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Speaker 2: little pups who are convinced that they're people. To welcome

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Speaker 2: back to the program, Tama.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Damn it. Frequently our ministries, our resources, our books come

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Speaker 2: out of our own needs, and I wonder how this

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Speaker 2: has been true for you.

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Speaker 1: So it's this wonderful spiral. I guess. The closer I

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Speaker 1: get to God in my study, in my life, as

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Speaker 1: more I realize that I need more and more of God,

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Speaker 1: and that that relationship is something that I need not

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Speaker 1: just on Sunday mornings or formal prayer times, but it's

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Speaker 1: a relationship that I need in every moment. Of my life.

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Speaker 1: And then there's this joyous realization that God actually wants

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Speaker 1: to have that relationship with me and hear from me

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Speaker 2: And wow, amazing that our creator longs for that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just came back from a trip to

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Speaker 1: this massive thing that God created, filled with creatures of ever,

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Speaker 2: What a privilege is Prayer a spiritual discipline that you've

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Speaker 2: it's one of those things that seems elusive to many.

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Speaker 1: I think it's something that we all struggle with at times.

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Speaker 1: Oddly enough, one of the greatest times of struggle that

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Speaker 1: this book. The prayers themselves spilled out pretty easily, but

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Speaker 1: think that's because our enemy attacks where we're working. And

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Speaker 2: And what a valuable recommendation for all of us when

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Speaker 2: absolutely right. The enemy has attacked me in the area

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Speaker 2: think in part it's almost as if he's taunting us

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Speaker 2: to say, do you really believe what you're writing? But

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Speaker 2: on the flip side of that, I think the Lord

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Speaker 2: offers us the opportunity to live out what we're writing.

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Speaker 2: It's cemented in our own hearts and minds, so we

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Speaker 2: really shouldn't be surprised when that happens. But man, it

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Speaker 2: can take us to our knees. So many christ followers

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Speaker 1: I think at least in my own life, but I've

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Speaker 1: also seen it play out in the lives of others.

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Speaker 1: And some of the comments and feedback that I've gotten

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Speaker 1: is an uncomfortableness with prayer. We hear these beautiful public

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Speaker 1: prayers in our churches in different venues, and they're wonderful

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Speaker 1: and they're beautiful and necessary and needed, but they can

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Speaker 1: also be a little bit intimidating. We get this notion

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Speaker 1: And that's something that I hope we can overcome. And

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Speaker 2: so for me, it requires being intentional and finding another time,

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Speaker 2: How do you see prayer as both a gift and

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Speaker 1: The gift? We get to talk to God, the God

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Speaker 1: What a gift and the greater gift He listens, he answers.

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Speaker 1: Can can I ever get over that? I never want

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Speaker 1: to get over the awe of that? What a gift

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Speaker 1: that He gives to us as his children, and not

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Speaker 1: just listens to us in mass, but individually. Because this

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Speaker 1: But also an invitation. I a few years ago discovered Hebrews. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I wrote it down so I would remember Hebrews four sixteen,

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Speaker 1: which is that God invites us to boldly that word

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Speaker 2: In Damma, how do you see prayer as both a

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Speaker 1: Oh, the gift we get to talk to God? Just wow.

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Speaker 1: He invites us to pour out our hearts to him.

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Speaker 1: Hebrews four sixteen invites us to bolsely come to him

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Speaker 2: Hope Build perspective, where today we're having a conversation with

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Speaker 2: Tama Fordner, author of Prayers for Each Moment, we're talking

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Speaker 2: called to pray without ceasing? And what does that look like?

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Speaker 1: I think the answer to why we are called to

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Speaker 1: not a moment of my life that I don't need God.

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Speaker 1: Realizing that maybe took me a little longer than it

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Speaker 1: It's not always head about and eyes closed in stillness.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's going for a walk. Sometimes it's a really

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Speaker 1: quick prayer while you're on the run. But most of all,

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Speaker 1: whether we use words or not in our prayers, it

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Speaker 2: What helped you the most in establishing your per life.

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Speaker 1: Reading the Bible, the more I read through the Bible,

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Speaker 1: I realize how much God wants relationship with his people,

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Speaker 2: Damn. Before the break, we were talking about when you

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Speaker 1: Oh, I would love to Holy Lord, God and Father

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Speaker 4: Are you or your group looking for a speaker for

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Speaker 4: She has spoken on a wide variety of topics, including

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Speaker 4: hope prevails, living the abundant life Christ came to give

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Speaker 4: victor not victim rid yourself with a doubt, poisonous shame

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Speaker 4: and self defeat from your life, Walking in the truth

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Speaker 4: of our identity, oh for the Silent the Event, Understanding

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Speaker 4: depression in children and teens, and breaking anxiety script how

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Speaker 4: to reclaim the piece God promises. Doctor Benkson is willing

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Speaker 4: Past audiences have included One Hartred Hotney, Street Life Today,

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Speaker 4: American Association of Christian Counselor's Gateway Church, Embassy City Church,

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Speaker 4: Doctor Benkson is now accepting invitations for speaking engagements over

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Speaker 4: the next two years and beyond. For more information or

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Speaker 5: Thank you for joining doctor Bankson for your hope build perspective.

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Speaker 5: We hope you were encouraged by her authenticity, vulnerability and

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