1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Steph Cohen, Thank you so much for joining me. Thank 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: you for your service. You're an israel at the moment, 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: You've just been in a bomb shelter. What's life been 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: like over the past, say, three days? 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: Well, all right, I just got to say thank you 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: for having me back. And I'm a big fan of 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: your work. I've been watching you for years. Content is 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: getting new, but you're staying the same. You exactly to 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: say that, I got to say. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: I'll take that, young man. Thank you. You're very sweet. 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: You're very sweet. Thank you? Are you keeping safe? 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: A minute? A minute? I keep it safe. Yeah, I'm 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: sorry that I couldn't make it earlier. I just literally 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: two minutes ago went out from a bomb shelter that 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: that actually caught me in the middle of a shower. 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: I came over there with a towel and you know, 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: go figure. 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: So this is life in Israel, isn't it. I'd love 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: to get the perspective from you. I mean, you're a 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: Special Forces officer, a reservist. What goes through your mind 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: the second you realize that this war was on. What 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: goes through your mind? 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: Well, first thing comes into my mind is I got 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: to be available and wait for that collap order, which 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: I already have and that they canceled it. But I 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: always stail Aer twenty four to seven. You're just waiting 27 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: for that collop order. I can find myself within hours 28 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: in Gaza, Syria, Lebanon, wherever. I don't know, but I 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: always got to be ready. Second thing comes to mind 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: is more people will get killed. You know, more women 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: will last their kids, more kids will lust their mothers, 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: more orphans, more with those, more single parents will turn 33 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: to be. First thing that comes into my mind therein 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: is known as I've asked me that is that I'll 35 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: see more mothers running with their babies, screaming, just seek shelter, 36 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: only to get those forty seconds before they rocket hits them, 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: just trying to get into safety. You know, this morning, 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: I actually had a siren in the middle of the 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 2: street and I was helping a young mother here and 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: kale child. What goes into my mind is more blood 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: will shed, more innocent civilians will get buried, and the 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: more terrorists will gain power. Because in every war, someone's winning, 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: someone is gaining something more. It's not a matter of 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: just losing the civilians. You and me, we're losing you 45 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: have lost greatly, You've paid a tremendous amount or a 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: tremendous cost when the terror attack was just outside of 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: your house not long ago. 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: That's fascinating and it's heartbreaking. It gives me chills hearing 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: you you speak like that, though, I wonder do you 50 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: still understand and believe in the necessity of this action 51 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: and the attempt to take down this Islamic regime in Iran? 52 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely and absolutely, And I have ahead of debates just 53 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: earlier today with Russian and Ukrainian that was interesting in 54 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 2: a Hindo news channel and they both called me a 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: terrorist for standing with the United States to fight this 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: terr regime. I think every Australian, Europeinian American that is 57 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: opposing for that attack is simply insisting of binging their 58 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: own brave They're literally just really wants to die because 59 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: you know, former President of Iran, Ahmidijad, he already said 60 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: it with his words, we will turn the entire ward 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: into Islam. They want to convert everyone and everything into 62 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: Muslims and Islams because they're superior. And you and me 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: for not radical Muslims, then we're doomed. We have to die. 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: This is the Akhilafe idea. A very important last interview 65 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: was spoke about Arabic and how crucial and important Arabic 66 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: is within the state of mind of those radicals who 67 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: leads around these days, and Ahila, this is the one 68 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: Islamic global state. This is their end goal. Your end 69 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: goal is to be a grandmother one of these days, 70 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: although you'll still look like an older sister. My end goal. 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: I sort of called me a grandmother this morning because 72 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: I was nursing her little Dolly, and I went no, 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: But then, you know what, you remind me what a privilege, 74 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: what a privilege it would be for me to live 75 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: to be old enough to be a grandparent. Because there's 76 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the middle. 77 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: Amen, Amen, are in Amen. So that's your own goal 78 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: to be a grandmother. Mine is to be a dad. 79 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: Theirs is to kill both of us, even if they'll 80 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 2: have to take their own life with us, and then 81 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: this is when they will turn to be shahid. The 82 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: greatest honor that a radical muslimittarist can have to be 83 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: a shahied to die when that person took the lives 84 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: of non Muslims. 85 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: And that's the point, isn't it. You look at people 86 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: in the West who it's naivety in so many cases. 87 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: Some of them subscribe to this ideology, and some of 88 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: them are evil in their beliefs, but most of them 89 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: are just very naive and find it impossible to comprehend 90 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: the kind of enemy that is on your doorstep in Israel, 91 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: that you fight day in day out. Hesbola, the chief 92 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: of self of the IDF, has come out and said 93 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: that this is now an offensive war against Hesbla, no 94 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: longer defensive. You you were going to eradicate Hesbel. I 95 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: can't imagine anything less than that at this moment will 96 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: be okay for Israel. What does that mean for soldiers 97 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: on the ground, What does that mean for your people? 98 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: Well, Larian, ever since October seventh, I have very seventh 99 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: friends could attend actually a single funeral, because I had 100 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: to keep fighting. I went on the thirtieth day. You know. Yeah, 101 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: For me, it says that I'll find myself in the 102 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: battlefield hearing those bullets flying over my head, smelling that 103 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: blood of my friends being pouring, or my own touching 104 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: a terroristic again. I'll have more grenades throwing at me, 105 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: RPGs shooting at me on a pretty sight. I know 106 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: for sure that more people will die. This is where 107 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: me and the West kind of like not aligned with 108 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: each other everything. I always I hear it, and I 109 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 2: always hear like, how can we stop or prevent the 110 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 2: next war? You could never prevent it. As long as 111 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: there are radicals who rule Iran, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon. As 112 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: long as you have terror organizations, as long as you 113 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: have jihad, you will keep having people who are getting murdered. 114 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: It's better to have. My job as a soldier is 115 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: to die and prevent. If needs to be, to give 116 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: my life in order to save only two civilian lives, 117 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: and I will willingly do so. Although I'm into life, 118 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: as you can see, if I'll have to, I'll give 119 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: my life in that battlefield to stop from another orphan. 120 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 2: Another key to be orphan. 121 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: It's incredible courage and bravery. And you say it so easily, 122 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: but it's so It's incredible. Again, it makes me emotional 123 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: as the daughter of a major general, as a daughter 124 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: of someone who was willing to give his life as well. 125 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: There's no greater act of courage in my mind, and 126 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: again I thank you for it. I'd love to know, 127 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: and I know you don't do it for thanks. I'd 128 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: love to know. You just mentioned the smell of blood, 129 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: the bullets flying past. What is it like in the battlefield, 130 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: in combat and when you come face to face and 131 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm assuming you have with terrorists who 132 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: want to kill you? What is that like? What a 133 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: word spoken? Are you ever that close? Is it like? 134 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Can you explain that and describe that because most people 135 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: will never, thank God, have to experience that themselves. 136 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely so, when you're in the battlefield, you know that 137 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: you are surround by threats. Every window can and turn 138 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: into a death trap of sniper. Every carpet that you're 139 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: stepping on can turn into explosive bomb. Basically, you're never 140 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: safe and you have to be with your weapon up 141 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: twenty four to seven looking for the next terrorist that 142 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: will look like civilian. You know when I go out 143 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: there Syria eleven on Gazai, were in my uniform, my helmet, 144 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: my vess, you know that I'm a legitimate target to 145 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: be shot at. My enemy though looks like sometimes a 146 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: ten year old kid, a forty year old woman, an 147 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: eighty year old grandfather. They can all and they have, 148 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: they did in the past just pulled off a right 149 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: fault and then start shooting towards you on automatic. Speaking 150 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: of automatic October seventh, the only way that I could 151 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: tell which one is a friendly or enemy fire was 152 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: single bullet or automatic because here in the idef we 153 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: go about the bullet. You know, we go like bub 154 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: bub bomb because each bullet has an address errand you know, 155 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: you always try to minimize the damage that you create, 156 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: and if I can go to the knee, I'll go 157 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: to the knee of the terrorist if I can. There 158 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: is no pleasure with pulling that trigger, and I have 159 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: many times and seeing other person falling at the end 160 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: of the end of that other end of that scope. Sorry, 161 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: so I've. 162 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: Never heard that put that way before. Bullet one, bullet 163 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: one target. You take care with who that target is. 164 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: You are minimizing collateral damage the enemy. 165 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: Each bullet has an address damage. 166 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: The enemy just wants to absolutely annihilate everyone and anyone. 167 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 3: That's the moment, just like you did, just like it's 168 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: like image from Yeah, you know, absolutely so once on 169 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: January twenty twenty four, I've never told this story online 170 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: before on television, of course, not in a one of 171 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: the most leading successful news channels in the world, I 172 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: would say, But on January twenty twenty four, we were 173 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: under this undercover mission, we got exposed. 174 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: Shooting bottles started, bullet flew all over. Now we all 175 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: saw Charlie Kirk's video. We know that one bullet here 176 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: is all that it takes. And I have my vest, 177 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: but I don't have, you know, one bullet here and 178 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: that's it. I'm done, And bullet flying all over the place. 179 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: And a senior terrorist that we went and after, got 180 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: a bullet in his hips let's call it that way, 181 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: in his butt, and he passed out and he bleed heavily, 182 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: aeric heavily, and his eyes like kind of like rolled 183 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: back and I could see him bleeding to death. He 184 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: was about thirty meters away from me. And then I 185 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: told my guys, we'll cover me, and I just ran. 186 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: I went out outside of my like shelter. I was 187 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: behind a corner of a building. I told my guys 188 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: cover me. Ba ba ba ba ba ba, and I 189 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: ran for it. And I dragged that guy from that 190 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: terrorist from his ankles, threw him aside like a bag 191 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: of potato, took coffee his pants, managed to find the 192 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: source of the bleeding. When people are passing out, you know, 193 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: they excuse me from a French, but they shoot themselves, 194 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: you know. So the blood got mixed with the urie, 195 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: with everything, and I don't have any gloves on. And 196 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: what do you do now you're lying on the ground. 197 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: Uhlets are like flying over your head. Your can even 198 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: lift your head to see what's up. That guy is dying, 199 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 2: a senior terrorist. What would you do? I started to, 200 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: I took my turnquit, stopped the bleeding. He like you know, 201 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: cursed me. He yelled some stuff while he when he 202 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: got back into CONSCIOUSNSS and I yelled and head back. 203 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: I cursed him in Arabic with every single curse that 204 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: I know, because I wanted. I wanted him to die, 205 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: but I couldn't, not because of international though I don't 206 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: need international all. I act by the IDEF values. They're 207 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: way more, way higher, way more superior. And Israeli soldier 208 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: saved a terrorist lives and then Israeli doctors saved really 209 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: saved his life with you know, with a at the hospital. 210 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: So when I told the story in a debate in Colombia, 211 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: the girl that I told it to, the woman did 212 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: total too. She said I was lying. I told her, 213 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: how about this? You and you will go on debate 214 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: with polygrass machine. You'll ask me if I'm lying, I'll 215 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: ask you where do you get your money from? Hentkata? 216 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: No, that was jing ka ching. 217 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 2: I do know. 218 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: And by the way, thank you, that is the IDF. Absolutely. 219 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: And my father was sent to Israel as part of 220 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: a group of visiting generals many years, not meant many years, 221 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen to investigate the conflict the year prior, and 222 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: he'd just run the war in Iraq, so on behalf 223 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: of the American troops, and he went with Colonel Richard 224 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: Kemp and a few others. And the headline of the 225 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: report that my father had done, having investigated the way 226 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: that Israel had conducted war, the headline was, they put 227 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: us to shame. And that was him, as an Australian 228 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: general having run the American War, the first Australian general 229 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: to be chief of operations for an American battle. He 230 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: had said, they put us to shame when it came 231 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: to minimization of civilian casualties in the way in which 232 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: the IDF had conducted itself. So you live true to that. 233 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: You live true to that. You're an incredible human being. 234 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: And what did your teammates, what did your fellow soldiers 235 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: think of you doing that? 236 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: Well? Not everyone like it. I don't like it, you know. 237 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: But the thing about being in the battlefield is that 238 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: you don't do what you want to do. You do 239 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: what needs to be done. And usually the hard decision. 240 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: You know it way better than near them. As a 241 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: matter as a very successful news anchor and journalist, usually 242 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 2: the right decision is the hardest decision. 243 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: Yes, spot on. 244 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: The one who keeps you wake up and mate, you. 245 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: Know absolutely, it'd be so much more peaceful in existence 246 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: if the right decision was the easy one, wouldn't it 247 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: for us? And I look at Donald Trump in that 248 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: way as well, and what he's done the courage and yes, 249 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: people will die and war is messy and nothing will 250 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: be perfect about this operation. Mind you, it's gone pretty 251 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: bloody well thus far. This will hurt him domestically. It 252 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: will hurt him leading into the midterms. But the courage 253 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: that it took for him to make this, it would 254 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: have been easier for him not to. 255 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: It will be a waysier. I personally thought that he won't. 256 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: I admitted yeah. The thing about war is that ten 257 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 2: people will die today to save twenty people tomorrow. This 258 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: is pretty much pretty much it, you know, and not 259 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: even twenty because not even twice, because all right, twice 260 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: as much. Because if they would have that nuclear bombs, 261 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: Think about it this way in June twenty five, right, 262 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: they had enough in rich duranium for ten nuclear bombs. 263 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: That means that every Australian German, yeah. 264 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: All at risk. And what they do to their own people. 265 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: If you are willing to slaughter tens of thousands of 266 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: your own people, then my god, what are you willing 267 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: to do to your enemies? 268 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: You know, my own grandmother, which I grew up on 269 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: her knees, on her stories. She fed me, she took 270 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: care of me. She had to flee, my own grandmother 271 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: from Tehran because she was Jewish. This is the reality of. 272 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 4: Jews, correct me if I'm wrong, not only in Iran, 273 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 4: especially these days in Iran, but this is why we 274 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 4: need Israel so much. You know, if you don't have 275 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 4: your homeland as your ground zero, you don't have the 276 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 4: legitimacy to be a Jew or to be a Zionist 277 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 4: these days. But it's long ago, not about Jews. You know, 278 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 4: you've seen it, a terror attacking your own home. It's 279 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 4: about if you're not radical Muslim that's it. 280 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: You're dying. You don't have the right to live. Those 281 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: were Muslims in Syria, that is is kidnapped. Ask them 282 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: how many raka, how many bows you have in a 283 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: single day of prayer? And if you don't know the answer, 284 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: like something between fifteen to eighteen, orange swampsuit on your knees, 285 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: face down, bam, you and your head are no longer together. 286 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: So radical Muslims are dreams first and foremost Muslims. 287 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the point I make all the time, 288 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: as someone who grew up in Indonesia speaks a language fluently. 289 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: They identify Islamic extremism as one of the greatest threats 290 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: biggest Muslim nation in the world. So you're exactly right. 291 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: More Muslims diet the hands of radical Islamism than anyone else. 292 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: Step Cohen, you are a soldier, you are a lawyer, 293 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: You are a brilliant public speaker. Make sure you follow him, 294 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: make sure you subscribe. 295 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: Get him to another just another thing. 296 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: And he also compliments me, so I like him. He's 297 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: right up here in my estimates, You're amazing. Thank you 298 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: for sharing. That was some of the most powerful insights 299 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: that I've heard in a very long time. And I 300 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: get to speak to some incredible people. I'm so grateful 301 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: for you and safe. 302 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: Thank you. May I share one last thing of him? 303 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: Please please? 304 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: Of course, So because I understood every single time that 305 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: I'm going into the battlefield, because I'm hearing those bullets 306 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: flying over my head whistling, I get it that I 307 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: understood that I could die every single battle, right. Unfortunately, 308 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: that's the truth, that's the reality. So I said mine 309 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: as well, let's leave something behind. I founded a new 310 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: advocacy project of reserve people who fought, people who got injured, 311 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: people who buried their friends in Mount Hertzel in Jerusalem. 312 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: And now they're saying that's it. From defense to offense, 313 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: from Gaza to DC, New York, Sydney, We're coming to 314 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: fight with narrative, with suits and ties. So best speakers 315 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: that I could find were training them with public speaking, debate, 316 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: international law, and it's called frontline Advocates. Bez Lata Shemp. 317 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: Hopefully we will be honored to be to interviewed with 318 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: in your amazing show next time. 319 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: I would love that so Frontline Advocates. I'm sure the 320 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: O team super you as being from Frontline Advocates, and 321 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: we will put a link as well so that people 322 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: can go and follow and look. You're amazing. Thank you 323 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: for your service not just on the battlefield, but in 324 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: the broader sense as well, particularly with this new great 325 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: well done. 326 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: Thank you Eron, Thank you for finding the fighting for 327 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: the truth and your pain and an enormous price. I 328 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: appreciate you so much. 329 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: It's an honor. It's an honor. We are so blessed 330 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: to have the most incredible partners here on the Aaron 331 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: Mullin Show, Noble Gold, Balance of Nature and the International 332 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: Fellowship of Christians and Jews. 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