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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is

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Speaker 3: February twentieth twenty twenty six. Today's lead is sometimes you

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it is thrust upon you with great anticipation.

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Speaker 3: And that is of course the tariff decision that has

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Speaker 3: come down from the Supreme Court. Now we spent the

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Speaker 3: who's kind of the resident tariff expert. He's going to

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Speaker 3: this was a blockbuster decision that we had been waiting

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Speaker 3: for now just to set the terms. This was any

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Speaker 3: it's predecessor what was it called? It was like Training

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Speaker 3: So this is we should just just to set the

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Speaker 4: This is mainly the this is the Liberation Day tariffs

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Speaker 3: In essence, the Court today concludes that the President checked

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Speaker 3: But it's also bizarre and sort of insane, John, because

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Speaker 4: In fact, he seems to have more authority to do

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Speaker 6: He could right, Yes, absolutely, that's a big problem.

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Speaker 5: Kavanaugh actually points this out that there's that the majority

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Speaker 5: but he can't oppose a one dollar tariff. That really

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Speaker 6: But it is the law.

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Speaker 5: Now, you know, this is what the Supreme Court says.

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Speaker 5: So the administration will look to all of these other powers, and.

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Speaker 5: The way that oral arguments weren't went. So this decision

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Speaker 6: To anyone. In fact, a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I would say the consensus was that the tariffs,

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Speaker 6: Of the tariffs weren't going to survive.

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Speaker 5: like I said, even under AEPA, they could ban things,

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Speaker 6: Put license fees on things. So you can't use the

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Speaker 5: You know, we'll find another way to protect American Indusjon.

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Speaker 3: John Carney from Breitbart major authority in hot demand. I

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Speaker 3: called him early, though, and I got him as soon

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Speaker 3: All right, So what happens to the revenue?

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Speaker 5: I will say, you know you, I'm very happy that

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Speaker 5: You were you were first, right after my own boss,

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Speaker 3: Well listen, he's got a wait, he's got a wait.

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Speaker 3: We have business to attend you, So tell us about

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Speaker 6: So that's done. Those are coming off the books immediately.

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Speaker 3: Was gonna say say that number again, John, because it's

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Speaker 6: They said that the statute didn't authorize it.

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Speaker 5: And it will a lot of this money is actually

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Speaker 5: It'll be a drag on the economy, and like like

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Speaker 6: Tariffs because they've been working on this.

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Speaker 3: They have Conde exactly. Trump has a backup plan. Everybody,

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Speaker 3: stay right here, we'll have it on real America's voice. John,

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Speaker 3: I know you gotta go. You've got you got Marlowe.

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Speaker 3: for us, Thank you for making it here. We know

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Speaker 3: you got a busy morning. Jonathan Carney, Breitbart Economics editor.

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Speaker 3: There you go, all right, So.

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Speaker 4: We got an email. Kathy asked, is the possibility of

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Speaker 3: Also? The answer is no, nope, nope, No, it's consumers.

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Speaker 3: The man gets screwed. This This is here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Cavanaugh went through trial by fire, the whole what was

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Speaker 3: Joining us now is Mark Halprin, a great, great political

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show. Lots to discuss this morning

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Speaker 3: thoughts with the you know, the Supreme Courts ruling on

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Speaker 3: I know there's questions about canny Still do te ariffs?

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Speaker 3: Can you use other mechanisms? What do we do with

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Speaker 3: What does it mean?

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Speaker 7: Well, first, saw, let me just tip let I miss you. Guys,

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Speaker 3: I'll call you every week. Mark we'll have you. We'll

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Speaker 2: I'd like that.

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Speaker 7: So my first thought, just trying to be in the

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Speaker 2: But he didn't pick the Chief Justice. He inherited it.

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Speaker 7: But two of the three justices the president put on

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Speaker 7: these are legal decisions they're political almost always. It's really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, and it also one of

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Speaker 3: Will that inspire any trust? I don't think so. They'll

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Speaker 4: I would concern the other way that we know the

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Speaker 7: on the left and amongst others. I just don't think so.

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Speaker 7: I just don't see any indication. There have been a

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Speaker 7: few things, like some of the immigration orders, like the

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Speaker 7: planes that were in the air on the way to Venezuela,

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Speaker 7: where people have sort of tried to suggest that that

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Speaker 7: was lawless and violation of court order.

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Speaker 2: It's a close that's a close call. But I don't

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Speaker 2: think so.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you though, the other political thing that's that's

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Speaker 7: where this decision is in the President's interest. And I

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Speaker 7: don't mean give a short shrift to your question, but

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Speaker 7: but I hope I sufficiently answered it. But you know,

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Speaker 7: before the Supreme Court decision, there were three big pieces

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Speaker 7: of economic news that were going to I think, really

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Speaker 7: do harm to the markets. And for if you count

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Speaker 7: what was happening in the last day with oil markets

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Speaker 7: because of boys a betterran. First was yesterday, this firm

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Speaker 7: Blue Owl Capital made some decision about about investors and

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Speaker 7: money that really were spooking people and getting people to

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Speaker 7: talk about is this the first sign like we saw

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Speaker 7: in two thousand and seven leading into the economic crash

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Speaker 7: of two thousand and eight. Then this morning we had

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Speaker 7: two horrible economic numbers for the country and for the

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Speaker 7: president politically, a lower than expected GDP number by a lot,

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Speaker 7: a higher than expected inflation number.

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Speaker 2: I will never know.

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Speaker 7: What the stock market would have done today had we

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Speaker 7: not had the Supreme Court decision on terrorists. But as

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Speaker 7: I look down now, the Dow's up, and the Doaw's

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Speaker 7: likely to end really far up because well, this is

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Speaker 7: bad news politically for the president. The markets love this decision,

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Speaker 7: and so if you talk about the implications politically for

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Speaker 7: the president, if you hadn't had this decision, he'd be

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Speaker 7: going into the State of the Union a lot of

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Speaker 7: negative negativity about the economy. Now, a lot of people,

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Speaker 7: at least in the markets, are going to be positive

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Speaker 7: about the economy into the weekend and into next week

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Speaker 7: because they don't want the terroiffs. And a lot of

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Speaker 7: Republican politicians are going to be happy too because they

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Speaker 7: don't want the terrorists.

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Speaker 3: Well, and That's a good point, Mark, because we always

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Speaker 3: have to kind of, I think in our mind we

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Speaker 3: have to buyf kate between normy and politically plugged in. Right,

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Speaker 3: politically plugged in, they're really into the DC of it all.

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Speaker 3: They're into the tug of war, the political jockeying. The

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Speaker 3: normies just want more money in their in the wallet.

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Speaker 3: They just want to They just want to make sure

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Speaker 3: that they got a job. They just want to make

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Speaker 3: sure they can go to their soccer practice with their kids.

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Speaker 3: That's those are the storylines, and I've sort of learned

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Speaker 3: to think about it. Is what breaks containment, right, the

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Speaker 3: economy breaks containment. This is what I knew about the

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Speaker 3: halftime show that we did. It broke containment because you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting hit up.

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Speaker 2: Guy, you guys, you guys did a halftime show.

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Speaker 3: We did a halftime show. Is this whole thing, Mark,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you about it.

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Speaker 2: I heard a bit of I heard a bit about it.

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Speaker 2: Some guy wore shorts. Sorry, yeah, they're.

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Speaker 3: Called jorts, just to be clear, June shorts. It's a

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Speaker 3: whole thing. Anyways, when you can see these things when

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Speaker 3: they break containment. Now, the economy is just one of

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Speaker 3: those things because it's a lived experience that breaks containment.

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Speaker 3: It has this I think downstream effect, knock on effect politically,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, there could be unintended consequences that are positive

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Speaker 3: for the president. I think we need to keep that

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Speaker 3: in mind. It's also important while we don't know what's

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Speaker 3: gonna happen to the tariff revenue that's already been collected,

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Speaker 3: which is in the hundreds of billions of dollars, that's

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Speaker 3: gonna be kicked down to a lower lower court, and

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Speaker 3: we're gonna find out what happens that hold other he'll

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Speaker 3: take another year, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But one of the things that I wanted to get

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Speaker 3: to you was this incredible tweet that you had earlier.

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Speaker 3: We covered it on the show, but I'm so glad

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Speaker 3: you get to get put added layers to this. You

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Speaker 3: were talking about uh polster and strategist Tony Fabrizio, Charlie

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Speaker 3: Love Tony. He comes in with twenty five slides, a

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Speaker 3: bunch of the cabinet. Are there about seventy five one

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Speaker 3: hundred people. You even mentioned that what they ate I

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Speaker 3: already him. That felt like a very marked detail to me.

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Speaker 3: Their had their their chicken, so he's going into what

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Speaker 3: men moderate and true independence are the true persuadable voters.

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Speaker 3: And you said housing affordability. You also talked about these

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Speaker 3: key and I saw the through line here, Mark, These

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Speaker 3: are populist sort of you get you, you get a

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Speaker 3: scalp issue, right. You said, messages that break through banning

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Speaker 3: stock trading, for congress transparency on health insurance data including

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Speaker 3: the pricing and claims reimbursement, lowering prescription drug costs, and

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Speaker 3: the Trump tax cuts. These are all issues where you

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Speaker 3: get to go, we got the bad guy, and that

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Speaker 3: is very populist, and it's a conservative tinged populace where's

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Speaker 3: we're not anti business, we're anti fat cat, we're anti oligarchy,

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Speaker 3: we're anti corruption. Right, And so I thought that this

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Speaker 3: was a very interesting through line that is a way

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Speaker 3: for you to sort of bridge this conservative populist divide.

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Speaker 3: Your take, well, I.

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Speaker 2: Like the way you framed it. I think it's just

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Speaker 2: right history.

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Speaker 7: As they said at this meeting, and again, this is

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Speaker 7: the president's sort of political high command, briefing the chiefs,

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Speaker 7: the chiefs the staff, the cabinet members. They're chiefs of staff,

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Speaker 7: their other senior aides. They have history against them. History

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Speaker 7: would suggest that it's going to be difficult to not

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Speaker 7: lose control of the House and maybe the Senate and

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Speaker 7: the President's pull numbers currently are horrible. And so this

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Speaker 7: is a group of political advisors who are battle tested.

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Speaker 7: They're not a bunch of chickens with their heads cuts off,

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Speaker 7: and they're coming in there to make the best case

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Speaker 7: to this team about what to talk about where they

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Speaker 7: can have a comeback. There's some tactical things. They can

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Speaker 7: raise more money than the Democrats. They can try to

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Speaker 7: make mischief and democratic primaries to nominate people who are

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Speaker 7: less electable. They can do opposition research on some of

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Speaker 7: these Democratic candidates. But in the end, they're swimming against

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Speaker 7: two big tides, history and the president's approval rating. At

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Speaker 7: the same time, there's a long time to go, and

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Speaker 7: they're going to look to see what they can do again,

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Speaker 7: particularly raising money. The one thing they said at the

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Speaker 7: meeting that I think has not gotten as much attention

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Speaker 7: as I thought it would is they said in the meeting,

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Speaker 7: these are the right issues to talk about the ones

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Speaker 7: you listed about health insurance and.

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Speaker 2: About the Trump taxics, etc.

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Speaker 7: They said, that's what the data shows, that's what you

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Speaker 7: all should talk about when you're out campaigning, when you're

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Speaker 7: on media, when you're on programs like this. They said,

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Speaker 7: there's going to be a whole other campaign that's run

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Speaker 7: by our best athlete, Donald John Trump.

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Speaker 2: He'll talk about whatever he wants. Don't think.

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Speaker 7: Don't think there's one campaign where the president's leading. There's

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Speaker 7: one campaign he does, and then there's the parallel campaign

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Speaker 7: that all the folks in the room say we need

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Speaker 7: to do. And the president's going to talk about the

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 2: He's going to talk about Joe Biden.

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Speaker 7: He's going to talk about you know, Liberachi's hair, He's

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Speaker 7: going to talk about where he likes to eat when

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Speaker 7: he's in Dayton, Ohio. They said, you just can't worry

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Speaker 7: about that, don't don't. That's not the role model the

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Speaker 7: way the president does it. He'll do his thing. But

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Speaker 7: they're hoping that these issues test very well, very popular

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Speaker 7: with voters. As you said, they're populous. They play well

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Speaker 7: with MAGA, but they play well with the center voter too.

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Speaker 7: They're hoping that that's the message that they can drive

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Speaker 7: through their advertising and through the surrogate activity during the fall.

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Speaker 4: Do you think Mark that we might actually see action

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Speaker 4: on some of those items. That one of those ones

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Speaker 4: that set out banning stock trading. For Congress, I've been

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Speaker 4: hearing about proposals along those lines since the big crash

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Speaker 4: in eight. People have been talking about members of Congress

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Speaker 4: getting rich off that sort of thing. I guess the

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Speaker 4: problem is the member people getting rich off of this.

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Speaker 3: Are the members of Congress. But is there a serious

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Speaker 3: proposal to take.

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Speaker 7: Out against their self interest? There is, and as you suggest,

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Speaker 7: but it's been around forever. Maybe it'll pass this year.

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Speaker 7: One of the big questions it's going to come out

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Speaker 7: of the State of the Union on Tuesday is are

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Speaker 7: Democrats willing to vote for stuff that they believe in,

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Speaker 7: that they think be good for their constituents, but it

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Speaker 7: will give the president a political win. Things like on housing.

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Speaker 7: There's a big housing bill in the House and the

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Speaker 7: Senate both pass separate bills are different, but there's some overlap.

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Speaker 7: Our Democrats going to vote on final passage. So Donald

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Speaker 7: Trump can have a signing ceremony and say he did

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Speaker 7: something to make.

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Speaker 2: Housing more affordable.

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Speaker 7: Would they vote for the stock band and the President

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Speaker 7: sign it where he gets to the front of the

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Speaker 7: parade and gets credit. We're gonna have to see, and

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Speaker 7: that on the stock trade thing, we'll have to see

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Speaker 7: if Republicans want to vote for it, because plenty of

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Speaker 7: Republicans have opposed that as well.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you so you're asking the fundamental patriot question.

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Speaker 3: Do Democrats love America more than they hate Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge question. And that's a huge question.

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Speaker 7: And to some Republican House members like their their vacation

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Speaker 7: homes more than they like doing what the voters want

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Speaker 7: regarding transparency.

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Speaker 3: On listen, we are equal opportunity offenders when it comes

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Speaker 3: to corrupt Republicans, Rhino Republicans, and listen, this is central

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Speaker 3: to Charlie's legacy. He wanted a Republican party that was

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Speaker 3: as conservative as its voters, that was loved its country

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Speaker 3: as much as its voters. And so these are questions

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Speaker 3: that we're going to see come to the fore and

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Speaker 3: we're going to be pounding that drum. And I love

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Speaker 3: the way you framed it. Here's the other thing you said,

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Speaker 3: the border. Closing the border doesn't rate that well, it's

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Speaker 3: and I remember this from Trump one point zero. Once

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Speaker 3: we kind of got the border a little bit under

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Speaker 3: control and all the craziness was done. It stopped even

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Speaker 3: coming up in headlines.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like we had this huge fight over the wall

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Speaker 3: and then it kind of fell off the map.

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Speaker 2: It's a weird issues.

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Speaker 3: I heard that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys are too young to remember Janet Jackson,

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Speaker 7: but she had a song called what have You Done

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Speaker 7: for Me Lately? And that's that's that's what the research shows.

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Speaker 7: It's just you know, yeah, you're glad you closed the border,

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Speaker 7: but that's done. So now what are we doing next?

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Speaker 7: And so you'll hear people talk about it. It won't

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Speaker 7: be absent from the writer at the president certainly, but

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Speaker 7: it's not a silver bullet. It's not something that they

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Speaker 7: think should be at the centerpiece of making the argument

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Speaker 7: for the midterm elections.

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Speaker 3: All right, Mark, just real quick. Here there's a EJ

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Speaker 3: and Tony tweet, who you might remember. EJ and Tony

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Speaker 3: was up for a spot in the Admin. Here he said,

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Speaker 3: growth came in at just one point four percent, but

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Speaker 3: here's why. Government purchases tanked almost five point one percent,

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Speaker 3: pulling the headline number down almost a full percentage point.

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Speaker 3: This is good news, and another side in the economy

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Speaker 3: is being reprivatized. Is this cope spin or do you

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Speaker 3: see any truth in that?

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Speaker 7: There's some truth so that there's also some truth to

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Speaker 7: the president's spin from earlier today, even before the numbers

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Speaker 7: came out, which is really not supposed to do that

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Speaker 7: the government shutdown, which he blames on the Democrats also

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Speaker 7: ate into the GDP. But again, I've talked to a

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Speaker 7: lot of economic experts since the numbers came out, and

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Speaker 7: you know, they're not great. There's it's arguably the worst

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Speaker 7: single day of economic data since Trump returned to office.

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Speaker 7: And you can always look at the data. People at

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Speaker 7: CNBC were remarkably unupset by it, but you can always

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Speaker 7: look at the data and poke holes in it. But overall, no,

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Speaker 7: the number was expected to be higher even with those caveats.

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Speaker 3: Got it all right? Now? Two questions. We're going to

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Speaker 3: get into ice fallout, the Minneapolis fallout, in the de

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Speaker 3: escalation by Tom Homan. What are the ramifications on going?

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Speaker 3: Is it something voters are going to forget? Secondly, Iran,

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Speaker 3: so you can take the potential kinetic activities in Iran

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Speaker 3: first or second. And the Ice Minneapolis de escalation question

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Speaker 3: first or second.

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Speaker 7: I think the main implication of ice is that I

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Speaker 7: think Trish McLoughlin will probably replace Blake on the show.

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Speaker 2: It would be my guest.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you think, wow, you think that's a really you know,

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Speaker 3: just Blake.

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Speaker 7: To go back to Blake wants to go back to

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Speaker 7: a quiet life of anonymity.

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Speaker 3: YouTube will like Tricia much better. Mark. I reached out

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Speaker 3: to you to start bringing you on the show and.

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Speaker 7: No, no, I'm trying to bring you back to your

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Speaker 7: your quiet life that you used to love so much.

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Speaker 7: All of a sudden, it's like you get get on

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Speaker 7: camera and all of a sudden, it's like Trish McLoughlin,

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Speaker 7: out of my way.

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Speaker 3: We've unlashed the monster and Blake. No, this is true. Well, yeah, Tricia,

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Speaker 3: Tricia's leaving the DHS on the show on the market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. I texted Trish. She said that that plan

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Speaker 3: had been in place before and that she she actually

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Speaker 3: stayed on longer than she was anticipated, just to make

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Speaker 3: sure that the Minneapolis thing was handled.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, so all right, that joke inside. We just

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Speaker 7: wish Trisha the best. She's a great person.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 7: I think that, Uh, the the main impact of it

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Speaker 7: is the Democrats are fired up.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how the government.

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Speaker 7: Normally I can make up a scenario and the government

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Speaker 7: shut down partial or full. I don't know how this

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Speaker 7: one because the Democrats are so fired up in Washington.

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Speaker 2: And around the country. Uh.

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Speaker 7: And again, one of the criticisms you guys have heard

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Speaker 7: me make many times of the left is trumps arrangement

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Speaker 7: syndrome and just anger about President Trump.

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Speaker 2: They don't understand the other side. They don't.

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Speaker 7: They don't listen, folks come on two ways. Sometimes they do,

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Speaker 7: but in general they're not They're not.

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Speaker 2: Sensitive to it. So I always say that to folks

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Speaker 2: in Maga.

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Speaker 7: You get so frustrated that the left doesn't understand why

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Speaker 7: you support Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: You all need to understand.

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Speaker 7: They're really upset about those two people being killed, really upset,

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Speaker 7: and they they're upset about in a different way than

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Speaker 7: President Trump says he's upset about it. They're upset at

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Speaker 7: it because they think it's a manifestation of a lawless

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Speaker 7: policy that's still largely in place, even though even with

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Speaker 7: the withdrawal from Minnesota. So they're going to raise money

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Speaker 7: off of it, they already are. They're going to have

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Speaker 7: their base fired up for the midterms. They're going to

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Speaker 7: be on the right side of some immigration issues. Most

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Speaker 7: of the things that Republicans are criticizing in the proposal

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Speaker 7: put forward by Senator Schumer and Jakim Jeffries are popular,

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Speaker 7: They're not unpopular. Democrats have gone from being the party

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Speaker 7: on the wrong side of immigration related issues to being

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Speaker 7: party mostly not entirely on the right side of immigration

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Speaker 7: related issues. So that's a big that's a big political fallout,

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Speaker 7: and I don't know where it's going to go. And

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Speaker 7: I think this, to a large extent, whatever impact it

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Speaker 7: has on the midterms, the story will be told to

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Speaker 7: a degree by how this partial government shut down.

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Speaker 3: So you talk about how we don't understand each other,

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Speaker 3: I understand why they would see those images and get

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Speaker 3: fired up about it. There just seems to be zero

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Speaker 3: acknowledgment of how we got here that you know, ten

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Speaker 3: to fifteen million illegals storm the border and we just

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Speaker 3: basically said to hell with our immigration laws for four

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Speaker 3: years understanding about that, huh? And you're understanding that SANCTUARIESID

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Speaker 3: has refused to cooperate, although I would say Tom Homan

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Speaker 3: has made some progress there in Minneapolis and Minnesota broadly,

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Speaker 3: but Okay, I digress.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 7: There's also a little appreciation for the fact that they

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Speaker 7: want people whose families are docks, who are docks themselves,

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Speaker 7: who are under threat while they're trying to do their

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Speaker 7: jobs and not protected by local law enforcement, to just

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Speaker 7: go up there and walk around and let people try

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Speaker 7: to run them over or shoot at them or harass

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Speaker 7: them while they're having dinner.

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Speaker 2: So no doubt that.

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Speaker 7: But again, this is the sort of trap that both sides,

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Speaker 7: red and blue fall into. You're pointing out things that

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Speaker 7: are true, but you're pointing those out instead of saying,

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Speaker 7: I guess maybe I don't have the full appreciation for

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Speaker 7: why they're so upset about those two people being killed,

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Speaker 7: because if I did, maybe i'd say, well, let me

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Speaker 7: read Senator Schumer's proposals and see if any of those

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Speaker 7: things we'd keep anybody else from being killed. So again,

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Speaker 7: there they just just part of my job is to

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Speaker 7: try to explain.

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Speaker 2: Red to blue and Blue to Aric.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I understand they're really they're really upset in a

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Speaker 7: profound way that transcends their failure to close the border

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Speaker 7: or appreciate that the border was open, and that's what.

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Speaker 2: Led to this.

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Speaker 3: It does strike me.

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Speaker 4: It does feel like politically, as your tweet showed that

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Speaker 4: there's this big difficulty in the President and the Republicans

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Speaker 4: harvesting wins off of some of their biggest successes. As

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Speaker 4: you said, the border shuts down, no one cares right away.

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Speaker 4: We seem to have net outflow of legal immigrants, and

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Speaker 4: it's like people forget about it. And I'm thinking about also,

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Speaker 4: apparently we are some of the lowest we might have

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Speaker 4: the lowest murder rate since the nineteen fifties. That's a

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Speaker 4: very big shift from Allie Biden. Yeah, massive drops in

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Speaker 4: all of the in major crimes in big cities, and

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Speaker 4: it coincided with that push from the President, and he

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Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be reaping much political benefit from that either.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 7: I think if you look at a sort of below

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Speaker 7: the radar of the the numbers of of the present

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Speaker 7: mostly it's the economy. I think if the economy was

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Speaker 7: positive and people felt that Trump economy was way better

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Speaker 7: than the Biden economy, which they don't think some pultial

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Speaker 7: they think the Bodom economy, Biding economy is better, then

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Speaker 7: I think the president begetting a lot of credit about

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Speaker 7: eighty percent twenty percent. You know, he's lost immigration because

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Speaker 7: of because largely of Minnesota, and and I'm not going

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Speaker 7: people aren't seeing well people are.

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Speaker 3: I'm not convinced he's lost the issue wholesale.

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Speaker 2: Not forever, not forever, No, not forever.

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Speaker 7: But but the numbers are clear his his standing on

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Speaker 7: do you approve of disapprove of the president's immigration policy.

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Speaker 7: The numbers slipped dramatically, dramatically, So that's just a reality

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Speaker 7: of where he is. He's not being he's not being

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Speaker 7: able to offset the low numbers on the economy with

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Speaker 7: high numbers on inflation on immigration.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, right, all right? Iran? Sixty seconds?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Iran.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, people should be thinking about this.

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Speaker 7: Not as a binary attack or don't attack. It's attack, big, attack,

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Speaker 7: little or don't attack. And uh, he could attack tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: He could. My sense right now is he'll wait ten days.

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Speaker 7: Or so to give the Iranians a chance, maybe one

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Speaker 7: more chance, to prove they're serious about negotiating. But if

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Speaker 7: they don't come back within a week or so with

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Speaker 7: a pretty serious not a not a stallball, but a serious,

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Speaker 7: uh proposal to deal at least with their nuclear capability,

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Speaker 7: I don't know yet about missiles. But if they don't

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Speaker 7: come back with a serious proposal, I do think there'll

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Speaker 7: be a substantial attack, and I think no ground troops,

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Speaker 7: no nation building, but there'll be a substantial attack to

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Speaker 7: try to degrade not just their nuclear missile capability, but

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Speaker 7: to undermine the regime.

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I would anticipate ahead of the snake

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Speaker 3: operation similar to Venezuela, if they're going to do it.

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Speaker 3: Mark Calprin to w A TV. Thank you, sir, excelle a, gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: thank you. We'll see you being back. For more on

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