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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hilldale. Welcome back, America. I'm you, Hewitt, so

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Speaker 1: please to welcome back. Aviv Rettig Gore. Aviv is the

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Speaker 1: Middle East correspondent for The Free Press. He's also the

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Speaker 2: Haveviv. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: How are you, Hugh?

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I greatly enjoyed the interview with Jonah Platt, though I

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Speaker 1: did not know who he was until you sat down

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Speaker 1: with him. I was a little bit amused because Jonah's

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Speaker 1: despairing that there isn't enough great Jewish content in Hollywood

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Speaker 1: is like every conversation I've had with an evangelical Christian

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Speaker 1: we don't have enough evangelical You know, Hollywood makes what sells.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was very interesting, but I also thought

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Speaker 1: you rebuked him. You people are going to argue, this

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Speaker 1: is the most privileged set of Jews in world history,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to be upset.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, there isn't enough of the Jewish experience in Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: The Jews kind of in America are too easy to

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Speaker 3: I think, in my opinion, are too easy.

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Speaker 2: They're too quick.

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Speaker 3: To dismiss themselves, dismiss their experience, seed the ground to

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Speaker 3: everybody else. And I don't think that's very different from

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Speaker 3: Evangelicals and from Catholics and from other faith groups. By

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Speaker 3: the way, religion is hugely popular when Hollywood actually goes

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Speaker 3: around gets around to doing it. Look at Steven Spielberg's

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Speaker 3: their lives. And so it's a shame that the stories

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Speaker 3: of these groups, minorities not so minorities, aren't aren't told

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Speaker 3: in Hollywood. Hollywood's not producing all that great stuff lately.

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Speaker 3: Offense to the MCU, but what the heck is the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm with you because I used to be

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Speaker 1: a two movie a week guy, and now I've turned seventy.

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Speaker 1: we're not aviv. I have two serious questions and then

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Speaker 1: some big questions. First one, I just don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: about Gaza. Prior to the nineteen sixty seven war, was

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Speaker 3: No, they're They're different from Egyptians. They don't share Egyptian

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Speaker 1: What was was there identity with the other native peoples

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Speaker 3: So I mean identity is a funny story. Okay, Arabs

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Speaker 1: I hope at some point you devote and ask Aviv

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Speaker 1: familiar with. Second big question that's specific the Heredom, the

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Speaker 3: That that's a new idea. That is a new idea.

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Speaker 3: so there are these exemptions for extraordinary people to the military.

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Speaker 3: This isn't actually about religion.

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Speaker 3: They claim. I don't think they themselves take it seriously.

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Speaker 3: kicking and screaming. By the time nostrae Tante came around,

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Speaker 3: by the time the Catholic Church really wanted to distance

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Speaker 3: itself from the sections of its history that talked about

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Speaker 3: superseding the Jews and also the standing in the way

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Speaker 3: of redemption and all of that, most Catholics really were there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Christianity isn't anti semitic anymore, and just fundamentally

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Speaker 3: the vast, vast majority. But when somebody wants to be

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Speaker 3: anti Semitic, they can still you know, a drop a

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Speaker 3: bucket into that well and pull it out because it's

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Speaker 3: still there in the in the you know background. What

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Speaker 3: do they need to know about this issue?

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Speaker 2: Just learn the people.

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Speaker 3: That's my answer for everything. Jews are a lot less

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Speaker 3: than the anti semi imagines. They're ordinary people, They're unbelievably ordinary.

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Speaker 3: They are a millennia old conversation, and if you learn

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Speaker 3: something about that conversation, you will immunize yourself to a

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Speaker 3: lot of the insane stories about them and a lot

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Speaker 3: of the insane conspiracy theories about them. We keep hearing

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Speaker 3: that we control everything. And one of the running jokes

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Speaker 3: among Jews, just constantly among Jewish people, Jewish comedians, Jewish press, is,

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Speaker 3: you know, if we control the media, why is the

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Speaker 3: media so set against us?

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Speaker 2: And we control the world.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean that if we just had eighty years

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Speaker 3: of the most prosperous and happy and safe period in

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Speaker 3: human history, the Jews get the credit for that, not most.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: The only other you know, and I had somebody, a

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Speaker 3: pretty famous American asked me because they heard from Nick

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Speaker 3: Flintes that Jews wanted to lead mass immigration into America.

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Speaker 3: It was Jewish organizations, Jewish activists like Highest, which is

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Speaker 3: a Jewish you know, refugee agency, a Jewish immigration advocacy agency.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say a single word for or against.

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Speaker 3: I don't actually understand this topic.

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Speaker 4: In American politics.

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Speaker 3: But there is this progressive Jewish organization that works on

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Speaker 3: these issues. But all the mainline Christian churches supported basically

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Speaker 3: the core of the Democratic Party's immigration policy. You have

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Speaker 3: the biggest, vastest mainline churches of America pushing it, But

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Speaker 3: this small Jewish organization is the reason it happened. It's

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Speaker 3: a way of ducking responsibility. Societies that turn anti Semitic fail.

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Speaker 3: Why do they fail because they can no longer perceive

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Speaker 3: responsibility and accountability properly. The Arab world is in collapse,

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Speaker 3: it's in free fall. It has incompetent governments. The most

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Speaker 3: anti submitted of them are the go to Algeria and

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Speaker 3: Hugh has these amazing polls and anti Semitism in places

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Speaker 3: like Algeria, vast vast anti Sunday. They think about Jews

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Speaker 3: all the time. There hasn't been a Jew in Algeria

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Speaker 3: since the nineteen sixties. But they constantly obsess about Jews.

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Speaker 2: Well guess what.

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Speaker 3: They also don't run their country all that well. So

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Speaker 3: this is not a good place for a country, a

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Speaker 3: good you know, path for a country to take, and

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Speaker 3: it's not a Christian path for a country to take.

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Speaker 3: It's not what I understand Christianity to be as an outsider,

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Speaker 3: and not what the popes have understood Christianity to be.

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Speaker 1: No, you're right, and that's the point I want to make.

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Speaker 1: I just think that your recommendation got to know some

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Speaker 1: Jews is a good one because and also get to

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Speaker 1: know the lunacy of anti Semitism, because it is lunatic

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't hold up to even five seconds of

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Speaker 1: serious thought. It belongs to dumb people and two people

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Speaker 1: who are making a buck. They're two kinds of anti Semis,

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Speaker 1: those are as stupid and those who are making a buck.

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Speaker 1: And into those two camps they shall all fall heavy.

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Speaker 1: That's all the time I have for it today. But

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Speaker 1: you've been an immense help to me on a bunch

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Speaker 1: of questions I lined up. I will talk to you,

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Speaker 1: hopefully in a couple of months after Iran is at

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Speaker 1: least closer to being free. I didn't ask you any

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Speaker 1: about Iran because nobody knows anyth about I ran right now.

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Speaker 1: But I appreciate the time today. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you.

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Speaker 1: With Ambassador Michael Waltz, our ambassador to the United Nations,

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Speaker 1: fresh from Munich, where the United States has seemed to

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Speaker 1: win every other round. We won when he spoke, Ambassador Waltz,

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Speaker 1: when Ambassador Whittaker was on the round table with AOC

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Speaker 1: and Governor Whitmer, and when, of course Marco Rubio gave

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Speaker 1: his speech, and then we lost whenever AOC or Whittmer

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Speaker 1: or Gavin talk. Mister ambassador, welcome home. That was a

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Speaker 1: really schizophrenic experience.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, next year I'll get on the panel

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Speaker 5: with AOC and Whitmer, because frankly, it was a pretty

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Speaker 5: low bar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not even fair, mister ambassador. I have three

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Speaker 1: things to touch to you about. The first of it

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Speaker 1: is the Gouse of Peace deal.

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Speaker 2: You got that.

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Speaker 1: Through the Security Council, the Trump Peace Plan. My hat

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Speaker 1: is off to you for that. I didn't think it

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Speaker 1: would get through. What happens if Amasu is not disarmed.

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Speaker 5: Well, not only did we get it through to you,

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Speaker 5: we got it through unanimously. And you know, President Trump

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Speaker 5: loves to keep score. And the fact that his peace

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Speaker 5: plan was endorsed by the international community thirteen to zero

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Speaker 5: was truly significant on probably the most contentious issue there

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Speaker 5: is for the UN, which is Israel Palestine. And I

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Speaker 5: was reminding in Munich all of our European friends that

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Speaker 5: this wasn't invented out of whole cloth by President Trump.

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Speaker 5: The UN Security Council endorsed it, including the UK and

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Speaker 5: France and Denmark and other countries that were on And

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Speaker 5: what does it do? It Number one, creates an international

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Speaker 5: security force, which the Indonesians have announced publicly eight thousand

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Speaker 5: troops they pledged. It creates a Palestinian technocratic authority, and

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Speaker 5: it creates a World Bank Fund. And I think you'll

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Speaker 5: see next week the President's already previewed at for the

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Speaker 5: first board of.

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Speaker 6: Piece meeting five billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: So what you saw was a lot of hand ringing

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Speaker 5: from the Europeans.

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Speaker 6: Are you replacing the UN?

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Speaker 5: Are you doing creating an alternative?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know what the President's doing.

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Speaker 5: He's creating something that's working when nothing else has worked.

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Speaker 6: It's not guaranteed to that it will get us the

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Speaker 6: full distance.

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Speaker 5: But the hostages are out, the ceasefires in place, the

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Speaker 5: humanitarian aid is flowing, and we're about to go to

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Speaker 5: round two.

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Speaker 6: To what you're talking about is Hamas.

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Speaker 5: We've made it clear they either are going to disarm

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Speaker 5: the hard way or the easy way.

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Speaker 6: Let's hope they choose the hard way.

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Speaker 5: And what significant you from a diplomatic standpoint, is on

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Speaker 5: the boarder piece or all of the countries that Hamas

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Speaker 5: usually relies on to.

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Speaker 6: Help it out of a jam.

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Speaker 5: It relied on Cutter, It's relied on Turkey, it's relied

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Speaker 5: on Egypt. Well you know what, all of those countries

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Speaker 5: are on the boarder piece singing the same tune as

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Speaker 5: the United States and Israel is on too. I mean,

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Speaker 5: what a diplomatic feat that only President Trump could pull off.

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Speaker 1: Now, if it works, it will be extraordinary. But I

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Speaker 1: don't believe the Indonesians are going to deploy if Hamas

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Speaker 1: is not disarmed. Is that your understanding, mister ambassador.

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Speaker 6: Well, those conversations are still ongoing.

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Speaker 5: There's still a lot to do besides walking down the

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Speaker 5: street and taking a rifle out of Hamas's arms. There's

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Speaker 5: demining unexploded ordnance, clearing debris, creating shelter for the Palestinians,

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Speaker 5: defending humanitarian aid from getting stolen and diverted.

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Speaker 6: So there's a lot that needs to be done.

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Speaker 5: And our message over and over again is you've got

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Speaker 5: three choices.

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Speaker 6: You either have Hamas staying in.

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Speaker 5: Charge, endless occupation by the idea, or a third way

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Speaker 5: that may be unconventional, never tried before. Again, it's not guaranteed,

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Speaker 5: but it is a hell of a lot better chance

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Speaker 5: of working than those other two alternatives.

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Speaker 1: It's an extraordinary achievement. My head is off to now.

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Speaker 1: I want to turn to Iran. Snap back sanctions from

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Speaker 1: the United Nations went into effect in September. They are

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Speaker 1: helping cripple the Iranian.

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Speaker 5: Me.

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Speaker 1: Is there any effort underway to undermine those sanctions, as

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Speaker 1: that would be a disaster.

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Speaker 6: Uh, there is to a degree.

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Speaker 5: The both the Russians and to a lesser extent, the

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Speaker 5: Chinese are saying that they weren't snapped back properly in

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Speaker 5: accordance with you in procedure. But look to the UN's

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Speaker 5: credit for a change their legal office. You know the

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Speaker 5: UN kind of infrastructure, saying no, it was done properly.

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Speaker 6: The snapback sanctions.

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Speaker 5: Are in place and you will be violating those sanctions

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Speaker 5: if you do business with the Iranian regime. So look,

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Speaker 5: this is one of those few when I get asked,

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Speaker 5: as I'm sure you do all the time, what the

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Speaker 5: heck do we need the UN for? What good is

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Speaker 5: it done? Well, we just talked about Gaza. I don't

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Speaker 5: want US troops there. We're going to have an international

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Speaker 5: force there. Uh, you know, we're doing things like Haiti

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Speaker 5: or Sudan that need to be dealt with.

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Speaker 6: But again, burden sharing is a part of America.

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Speaker 5: First, let's have UN member nations deal with those kinds

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Speaker 5: of flicks. And then you just mentioned snapback when the

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Speaker 5: United States decided it was a bad deal, that the

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Speaker 5: Iran deal was a bad deal for the world, and

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Speaker 5: we reimpose sanctions.

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Speaker 6: Now we have a mechanism through the UN to bring

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Speaker 6: the rest of the world with us.

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Speaker 5: And that the regime is feeling it in their wallet.

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Speaker 5: The thing they care about the most is their money.

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Speaker 5: The IRGC controls forty to fifty percent of the Iranian

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Speaker 5: economy and it is there in bad shape all.

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Speaker 2: Around, mister Ambasser.

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Speaker 1: In December, retired Admiral Bill McGavin was my guest talking

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Speaker 1: about his book on being Prepared for Crisis and he

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Speaker 1: helps seze Iraqi oil tanker in the Indian Ocean pursuing

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Speaker 1: two UN resolution prior to Desert Storm.

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Speaker 2: First I rock invasion.

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Speaker 1: Does the United States and other allies have the authority

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Speaker 1: under the UN sanctions to seize the Iranian ghost fleet?

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Speaker 6: Look?

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Speaker 5: I believe that we do under those sanctions. Of course

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Speaker 5: that's disputed by others. I think the UN could be

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Speaker 5: doing a lot more writ large about the ghost fleet issue,

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Speaker 5: whether it's Venezuela, Iran, Russia or otherwise. And at the

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Speaker 5: end of the day, when you're talking about over one

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Speaker 5: thousand unregistered ships out there using different flags, oftentimes there's

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Speaker 5: kind of horrific stories about the crews being used as

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Speaker 5: forced laver.

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Speaker 6: There's all kinds of pollution.

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Speaker 5: Issues in addition to the fact that they're just blatantly

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Speaker 5: violating sanctions. There's more we could do in the insurance

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Speaker 5: industry from an ownership standpoint, from a sanction standpoint, and

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Speaker 5: there's these organizations like the International Maritime Organization out of

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Speaker 5: London under the UN umbrella that's supposed to be enforcing

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Speaker 5: all of these issues. So my point to not only

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Speaker 5: the UN, but to the Europeans and other action should

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Speaker 5: have been taken a long time ago under the Biden administration. Thankfully,

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Speaker 5: President Trump is taking action and not just sending strongly

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Speaker 5: worded letters. And the Venezuelans felt it, the Iranians are

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Speaker 5: feeling it.

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Speaker 6: I think there's a lot more that canon should be done.

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Speaker 1: So I want to end, mister ambassador by telling you

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Speaker 1: about the presentation that the President and you arranged about

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Speaker 1: Iran where you brought in Iranian dissonance to speak directly

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Speaker 1: to Iran. It was powerful. Her testimony, his testimony was

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Speaker 1: I thought, lacerating of the Iranian Islamic regime.

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Speaker 2: Has the UN remained.

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Speaker 1: Fixed on the thirty five to forty thousand people murdered

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Speaker 1: by the regime in January?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the numbers that were briefed to that meeting from

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Speaker 5: the UN, that was verified by a number of NGOs

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Speaker 5: and infrastructure on the ground was eighteen regardless, it is horrific.

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Speaker 5: It was a wholesale, at scale massacre from the regime

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Speaker 5: of its own people. And to your point, again in

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Speaker 5: the bucket of kind of where can the UN do good?

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Speaker 5: It's a platform that reaches the entire world, and we

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Speaker 5: received a volume of feedback that it was reaching every village,

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Speaker 5: every city, and really kind of stiffened the spine of

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Speaker 5: the resistance as they were being just wholesale massacred. When

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Speaker 5: we hosted a forum at the UN Security Council with

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Speaker 5: Masa Alina John who was almost assassinated three times on

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Speaker 5: US soil and imprisoned herself, and a gentleman who was

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Speaker 5: tortured in Iranian prison for nine years, and to hear

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Speaker 5: their voices and to hear the international community saying we're

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Speaker 5: not going to stand for this, we are going to

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Speaker 5: stand for the freedom and the basic rights of the

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Speaker 5: Iranian people was incredibly powerful.

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Speaker 1: So, mister Ambassador at very hard. President Trump has once

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Speaker 1: again achieved strategic confusion. It's better than strategic ambiguity. No

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Speaker 1: one has any idea what's going to happen when when

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Speaker 1: is there a window on Iran capitulating to all of

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Speaker 1: our demands closed?

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Speaker 2: What's your understanding of when that window closes?

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm not going to.

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Speaker 5: Get ahead of the President, Hugh and kind of boxing

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Speaker 5: that or certainly advertising his decision space.

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Speaker 6: But you know, it's the greatest military in the world.

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Speaker 5: We can project around the world anytime, anywhere. Obviously there's

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Speaker 5: been a convergence of forces, but if the President decides

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Speaker 5: to keep that for the foreseeable future, we have the capability.

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Speaker 6: That's you know, what the Defense Department does is present

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Speaker 6: him options, and he's presented a very clear option to the.

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Speaker 5: Iranians step forward and step up to finally walk away

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Speaker 5: from enrichment, to walk away from long range ballistic missiles,

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Speaker 5: from to walk away from its terraced proxies, and don't

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Speaker 5: slaughter your own people. These shouldn't be anything near controversial

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Speaker 5: for any type of reasonable government that seeks to get

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Speaker 5: along with the with its neighbors and with the international community.

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Speaker 6: And I think he's demonstrated the or else means something,

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Speaker 6: So we'll see what they decide.

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Speaker 2: I hope the or else is real. And thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining the minister, Ambassador. Always a pleasure, Ambassador.

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Speaker 1: Michael Wall of the United States representative the United Nations

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Speaker 1: and doing a fabulous job there.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mister ambassador. I'll be right back walking back

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Speaker 2: to America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett joined now by Ambassador Michael arn formerly

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Speaker 1: is Reel's ambassador to the United States, also former Deputy minister.

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Speaker 1: In an earlier netting out who government doctor or in

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Speaker 1: good Monday to you, what do you hear about Iran

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 7: I think Israel's gearing up, you know, this is gearing

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Speaker 7: up for what they see as a likelyghood.

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Speaker 4: I can't stress it more than a likelihood.

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Speaker 7: It's something less than a probability of American kinetic action

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Speaker 7: against Iran. It seems at this point that there's not

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Speaker 7: a lot to talk about these negotiations between the Iran

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Speaker 7: and the United States.

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Speaker 4: Iran wants to whittle the terms of reference to.

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Speaker 7: The nuclear program. No, talk about ballistic missiles. No, certainly,

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Speaker 7: don't talk about support for terrorist organizations. And then at

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Speaker 7: least and beyond and even then whittling down the nuclear issue.

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Speaker 4: They're not talking about giving up in any way.

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Speaker 7: The so called right of return had a return that

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Speaker 7: was recognized by the Bomb administration. They're talking about maybe

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Speaker 7: freezing the enrichment process and perhaps exporting the enriched uranium

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Speaker 7: they have already.

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Speaker 4: That's about four hundred and fifty kilograms of enrich ranium.

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Speaker 7: That's physsile material can be made into a bomb to

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Speaker 7: a third country, perhaps Russia. I can't speak for the president,

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Speaker 7: but that is so marginally, marginally better perhaps than what

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Speaker 7: the JCPOA was. In twenty fifteen, remember when we started

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Speaker 7: having high talk negotiations with the United States at that

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Speaker 7: time very secretive about the Iround nuclear program. There was

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Speaker 7: a notion of freeze the freeze, that the United States

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Speaker 7: would freeze sanctions against Iran in return for freezing the

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Speaker 7: enrichment process. Sound familiar, Yep. That was about twenty eleven.

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Speaker 7: So we haven't moved beyond that. I don't know if

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Speaker 7: that would be remotely susceptible to this administration. I ardently

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Speaker 7: hope that it will not, And if that's the case,

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Speaker 7: then the military option becomes almost unavoidable.

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Speaker 1: So doctor Arnt, you study this a lot more closely

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Speaker 1: than I do. The United States has got probably at

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Speaker 1: least one of its Columbia class submarines that can fire

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty Tomahawk missills off. They've got hundreds

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Speaker 1: of airplanes on the carrier and in the surrounding regions,

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Speaker 1: and destroyers all have missile capability as well as well.

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Speaker 1: It's defensive capability combined with Israel, can they deal a

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Speaker 1: devastating blow to the missile delivery system before anything else begins.

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Speaker 4: They can't, They can't. No, it's very hard to find launchers.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 4: My frame of reference is now forty years old.

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Speaker 7: It's from the First Gulf War when Saddam Hussein was

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Speaker 7: fighting scud missiles at US from launchers in the western

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Speaker 7: Iraqi desert. We couldn't find them. The United States couldn't

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Speaker 7: find them. Now, certainly technology has advanced, you know, light

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Speaker 7: years since then, but it still may be difficult to

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Speaker 7: find launchers that are underground. Look how the difficulties we

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Speaker 7: had finding launchers in.

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Speaker 4: Gaza again and again. These people are finding rockets in

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Speaker 4: downtown Tel Aviv.

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Speaker 7: It's only an hour away by car, and we had

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Speaker 7: trouble finding the launchers because they're underground and they sort

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Speaker 7: of lift up, they fired the rocket and then you

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Speaker 7: know they're underground again and they're camouflaged.

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Speaker 4: So it's very difficult to find them.

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Speaker 7: And yes, Iran may have an arsenal of upwards of

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Speaker 7: two thousands of these very heavy ballistic missiles, each carrying

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Speaker 7: many hundreds of pounds of TNT of explosives, but.

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Speaker 4: They only have a limited number of launchers.

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Speaker 7: And which you want to do is hit the launchers

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Speaker 7: even before you hit the missiles. It's finding them. It's

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Speaker 7: finding them that's going to be the big challenge. And

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Speaker 7: to do that you may have to see where one

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Speaker 7: gets fired and then see where that you know that

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Speaker 7: flash goes off, and hit it again.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I'm not up to date on the actual technology of

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Speaker 7: loking locating me. I know the technology of locating tunnels,

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Speaker 7: but not of launchers.

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Speaker 1: And if there's a first right now, if there's a

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Speaker 1: first strike, do you think the United States and Israel

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Speaker 1: combined could do serious damage to the tentacles of repression

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Speaker 1: that have slaughtered the Iranian people and keep them down.

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Speaker 7: I think that's a bigger that's acts strangely enough, counterintuitively,

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Speaker 7: that's a that's a higher bar.

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Speaker 4: And I'll explain why you can get the missile launchers.

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Speaker 7: Perhaps you know we have penetrated Iran's intelligence.

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Speaker 4: We knew an awful lot about Iran.

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Speaker 7: Where they're their scientists were sleeping, where their commanders were sleeping.

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Speaker 7: My guesses we know at the location of a certain

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Speaker 7: number of these launchers, But the means of oppression at

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Speaker 7: the hands of the Iranic regime is not something can

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Speaker 7: necessarily be bombed. We're talking about the IRGC, which has

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Speaker 7: about half a million men under arms. You have the

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Speaker 7: army itself, there's about a half million people under arms,

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Speaker 7: and then you have the besiege. These are these thugs,

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Speaker 7: and the numbers of the besiege arrange for about two million,

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Speaker 7: upwards of five million people.

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Speaker 4: You can't bomb them. And all they need, all they

795
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Speaker 4: need is a machine gun.

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Speaker 7: All they need is an AK four to seven to

797
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Speaker 7: take down groups of protesters. They don't need ballistic missiles,

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Speaker 7: they don't need a nuclear program. And the hope is,

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Speaker 7: and again it's an art and hope here that once

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Speaker 7: the United States and Israel begins to weaken this regime

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Speaker 7: to an extent that it's almost emasculated, that the people

802
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Speaker 7: will rise up again. And the people, whether the people

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Speaker 7: of your own, will take on the besiege, they'll take

804
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Speaker 7: on the thugs, they'll take on the IRGC, and that's

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Speaker 7: what will bring the regime down.

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Speaker 1: And a last comment, doctor, I think they're out of money.

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Speaker 1: I mean literally out of money. They're not able to

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Speaker 1: ship ghost fleet oil will seize their tankers, the UN

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Speaker 1: snap back sanctions or in place. Ambassador Walsh has told

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Speaker 1: me that they might have a pipeline or two through Azerberjean,

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Speaker 1: but they're out of money. When does the regime collapse

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Speaker 1: when it's out of money?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think certainly that that imposing a naval blockade

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Speaker 7: on Iran, which by the way, under his Assa law

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Speaker 7: is an act of war.

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Speaker 4: A naval blockade they're already in war.

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Speaker 7: If that's the case, would be very I think, very

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Speaker 7: prudent at this point and put tremendous, tremendous pressure, perhaps

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Speaker 7: even more pressure than a massive first strike.

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Speaker 4: It's possible that that's what would bring the regime down

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Speaker 4: to his knees.

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Speaker 1: And what do you expect would follow the capitulation or

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Speaker 1: murder of the Iatola and his molocracy.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that we don't know what comes next.

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Speaker 7: We don't know who would take over power. Could be

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Speaker 7: probably something from the IRGC. The IRGC person could be

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Speaker 7: less practical and could be more radical and may think, oh,

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Speaker 7: this is not going to happen to us again. The

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Speaker 7: first thing I'm gonna do breakout and create a nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 7: So nobody dares, dude, nearly tries us again. We're going

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Speaker 7: to become the North Korea of the Middle East. And

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Speaker 7: that's always been a consideration of the Iranian regime. They

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Speaker 7: wanted a nuclear weapon for many reasons. It was a

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Speaker 7: matter of pride.

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Speaker 4: They'll say that the Indians have one, the pack of

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Speaker 4: Standis have one.

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Speaker 7: They'll say that the Jews have one. How is it

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Speaker 7: that sites don't have one? But the major reason is

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Speaker 7: you know that Saddam Husein got invaded by the United

840
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Speaker 7: States because he didn't.

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Speaker 4: Have a nuclear weapon. Libya mar Maar Kadafi was overthrown

842
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Speaker 4: because he didn't have a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 7: If we have a nuclear weapon, we won't be Libya,

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Speaker 7: we won't be Iraq, we will be North Korea.

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Speaker 1: I Sir, hope that we act before then. And doctor

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Speaker 1: Gorn thirty second, is the mood in Israel tense?

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Speaker 4: The Moon says was tense.

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Speaker 7: But I've never seen attension like this before. I only

849
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Speaker 7: can called that hearken back to the weeks before the

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Speaker 7: nineteen sixty seven work, when Israeli mothers went out to

851
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Speaker 7: protests against the government to tail the government wasn't going

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Speaker 7: to war.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen it since then. Taring me about this

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Speaker 4: using Focus against War and every Days Ready.

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Speaker 7: I talk to him for everybody in my family, and

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Speaker 7: it's kind of less the sensive to say, we.

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Speaker 4: Know what the price is, we know what the dangers are,

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Speaker 4: but we.

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Speaker 1: Need this for what we really need this, want it

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Speaker 1: now and bestor Mike Lawn thank you as always, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett. That, of course, a very familiar song

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Speaker 1: to people my generation. Not sure Bethany Mandel has ever

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00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: heard it before. I play it because it is pouring

892
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Speaker 1: in California. Have you ever heard that? Bethany.

893
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Speaker 8: As soon as he started playing it, I was like,

894
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Speaker 8: what am I walking into?

895
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Speaker 1: Because Harry the late Great Harry Chapin and his Cat's Cradle.

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Speaker 1: I would recommend it strongly to you.

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Speaker 2: I think, taxi? What's what's that? Taxi?

898
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Speaker 1: He only had two songs Cat's Cradle and Taxi. But

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Speaker 1: I recommend that wrong, Bethany, I've seen you at a

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Speaker 1: John and Rasic conference concert. What is your music outside

901
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Speaker 1: of John and Drawsic?

902
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Speaker 8: So Seth has has named it alt country. I think

903
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Speaker 8: that's that's what he calls it. I'm looking at him

904
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Speaker 8: as he's sitting on the yes, he's nodding alt country.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what that is, but I'll find out.

906
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Speaker 1: Do you know that Matt Continetti came up with a

907
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: nickname for Prime Minister at Taka She who's very anti China,

908
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Speaker 1: but he's very thatcher like. Matt calls her the Iron

909
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Speaker 1: Maiden because she was a drummer in a punk rock

910
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Speaker 1: group like Iron Maiden was.

911
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Speaker 2: Isn't that nifty?

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Speaker 8: That's amazing? I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope she's the Iron Maiden, Bethany. What do

914
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Speaker 1: you think is gonna happen with Iron?

915
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Speaker 8: What do I think is gonna happen with Ron? I?

916
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Speaker 8: You know, I don't know. It's been a month since

917
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Speaker 8: we were saying, you know, President Trump said help is

918
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Speaker 8: on the way, and help has not come, and so

919
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Speaker 8: I'm loath to make any sort of prognostications. I will

920
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Speaker 8: say that the Trump Nettunahou meeting was very quiet. Netanyah

921
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 8: who came here and we didn't really hear a peep.

922
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Speaker 8: There was like one photo of him in Blair House

923
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Speaker 8: with Marco Ruby, and that was kind of it. So

924
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Speaker 8: my radar goes off a little bit on that. I

925
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Speaker 8: think it's a little sus I haven't checked the pizza

926
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Speaker 8: numbers around the Pentagon recently, but I think that help

927
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Speaker 8: might still be on the way. Maybe that's just me

928
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Speaker 8: being hopeful.

929
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Speaker 1: I do too, because I think if it doesn't arrive,

930
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Speaker 1: it will be a shadow over his presidency, but if

931
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Speaker 1: it does, it will be a great triumph.

932
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Speaker 2: When he posted.

933
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Speaker 1: The posts, they talked to me, and he talked to

934
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Speaker 1: Sean Hannity, talked to a bunch of people about the

935
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Speaker 1: Iranian people marching. I think he was trying to protect

936
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Speaker 1: them from the regime, but the regime didn't care.

937
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Speaker 2: They murdered him anyway.

938
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Speaker 1: So I just don't think Trump lets that go by.

939
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Speaker 1: It's not very trumpy and to ignore that.

940
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Speaker 8: Yeah, if I were to guess, I have heard from

941
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Speaker 8: people inside Israel, and you have a lot of the

942
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Speaker 8: same sources that I do. If I were to guess

943
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Speaker 8: I would think that maybe the Israelis are going to

944
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Speaker 8: do something in the Americans are going to provide back up.

945
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Speaker 8: That's my best guess as to what might happen. And

946
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Speaker 8: that was sort of maybe the purpose of the meeting

947
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Speaker 8: that we just saw over the week the last weekend

948
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Speaker 8: with a Finnishiyahu.

949
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Speaker 1: It was a three hour meeting. I also point out

950
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: a three hour tour like Gillian's Island. Now let me

951
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Speaker 1: turn to my homework. I just had a vive ready Guron,

952
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Speaker 1: and I asked him to come on because I had

953
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Speaker 1: to prepare. I'm giving a speech at a Christian college

954
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Speaker 1: next month, and I'm going to make the speech about

955
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Speaker 1: the obligation of Christian colleges and their students specifically to

956
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Speaker 1: combat anti Semitism, Why and how to do it?

957
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Speaker 2: What do you think are the why and how to

958
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Speaker 2: do it?

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Speaker 8: So it's interesting. So I just was at the October

960
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Speaker 8: seventh play at the Kennedy Center last month and there

961
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Speaker 8: was a huge contingent behind me of Regent University School

962
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Speaker 8: students along with former Representative Michelle Bachman. She brought them

963
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Speaker 8: and she said it very plainly. You know, we are

964
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Speaker 8: brothers and sisters and you know, it is our obligation

965
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Speaker 8: as faithful Christians to defend the Jewish people. And I

966
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Speaker 8: think that's that's a strong understanding of faith in a

967
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Speaker 8: way that I'm not seeing from a lot of sort

968
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Speaker 8: of newcomers to especially Catholicism, like Carrie Prejan, who was

969
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Speaker 8: the former Miss California who turned the Religious Liberty Commission

970
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 8: into a laughing stock. She just converted a couple of

971
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 8: months ago, and all of a sudden, she's proclaiming that

972
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Speaker 8: them to be a Zionist.

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Speaker 1: I'm a practicing Catholic. That was deeply embarrassing. She has

974
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: no idea what she's talking about. It was a slander

975
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Speaker 1: on the Catholic Church. I just got done talking to

976
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Speaker 1: Heavy John Paul, the second Benedict went to great lengths

977
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Speaker 1: to repudiate anti Semitism in the church. Historically, there's a

978
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Speaker 1: lot to repudiate there. But she pops up Bolaga Jack

979
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Speaker 1: in the box out of nowhere. And I want to know,

980
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Speaker 1: and no one's done the report who put her on

981
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Speaker 1: the commission?

982
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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, that is that is a good question. She

983
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 8: doesn't seem to have a basic understanding of Catholicism, and

984
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 8: and that's the case with a lot of these antisemitic

985
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 8: and you know they call themselves anti Zionist, but these influencers,

986
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Speaker 8: they don't have a really basic understanding of what their

987
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 8: faith Truish teaches in a lot of areas. And so

988
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Speaker 8: I think it's important to you know, when you're speaking

989
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Speaker 8: to students, to just explain to them be well read

990
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Speaker 8: on everything, not just as relates to to Jews and

991
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 8: anti Semitism, but it all, it all is in the

992
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Speaker 8: under the same umbrella of you have to be literate

993
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Speaker 8: in your faith.

994
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Speaker 2: Being a community follows you have to be literate. Unlike aoc.

995
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Speaker 8: Yes who thought that cowboys didn't come from saying that

996
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 8: was what she said.

997
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm about a man.

998
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 8: It's embarrassing.

999
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: It what's very embarrassing now bethe back to the college kids.

1000
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Speaker 1: I don't make a theological argument, as as some evangelical

1001
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Speaker 1: Christians do, that that the end times are upon us

1002
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: in Israel.

1003
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Speaker 2: That's not for me.

1004
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: I defend Israel as a secular ally of the United States,

1005
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: and I defend Jews as a Catholic who thinks all

1006
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: human beings have human rights. But I'm curious, do you

1007
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: think they have a special obligation, given the history of

1008
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Speaker 1: anti Semitism in the church to do special things.

1009
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Speaker 8: Why are you asking the laps to Catholic turned you

1010
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 8: that question. There's no right way I could possibly answer

1011
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 8: that question. You might not walk into that trap.

1012
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: Now, Danny Silva was ahead of you.

1013
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 8: I am not walking into that. Everyone should do with

1014
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 8: their heart and their faith leader thinks they should do.

1015
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: You know what have ev answered?

1016
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Speaker 1: He answered, get to know some Jews. I mean, it

1017
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Speaker 1: was pretty quick to saying make a visit to Israel.

1018
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: But he didn't go all Israeli tourism board. But he

1019
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: might have done that. Don't you think that helps?

1020
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Speaker 8: I mean, I certainly think it helps. I mean people

1021
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 8: of all faiths should go to Israel. It's a really cool,

1022
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 8: interesting place with so much amazing history and biblical everything whatever.

1023
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Speaker 8: And you know, being a good person inevitably often follows.

1024
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Speaker 1: Did you listen to Brett Stevens State of World Jewelry

1025
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Speaker 1: speech at.

1026
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Speaker 8: The ninety second Street Why it was amazing And he

1027
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 8: was right.

1028
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Speaker 1: On he said, and I said, anti Semitism is birthed

1029
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: in resentment, stewed in envy.

1030
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Speaker 2: Perfect.

1031
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely perfect, and there's there's no fighting it so

1032
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 8: don't even try. The Jews should just live their lives

1033
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 8: and raise and educate as many Jews as possible, and

1034
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Speaker 8: stop apologizing for ourselves.

1035
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 2: I agree. Now.

1036
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Speaker 1: The other part of it is, though I don't believe

1037
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Speaker 1: in calling attention to that lady or any other anti

1038
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Speaker 1: semit online.

1039
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Speaker 2: I don't use their names.

1040
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to reply to them in posts. Do

1041
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: you believe I think I've got the right way to

1042
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: deal with which is to marginalize.

1043
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1044
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Speaker 8: I don't know if I agree. I mean, when you

1045
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 8: think about sort of the biggest names right now out

1046
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 8: there that are spewing this. Candace Owens has one of

1047
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 8: the biggest podcasts in America, she has an audience. It's

1048
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 8: not meat platforming Candace Owens. It's you know, I wish

1049
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 8: it were the case that we could sort of starve

1050
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 8: them of oxygen, but that's I don't think that that's

1051
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 8: a reliable action plan right now.

1052
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Speaker 2: I think it will fade that because it's so intellectually thin.

1053
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: In fact, there's nothing there. It's not even thin, it's invisible.

1054
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: There's nothing there.

1055
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Speaker 8: So I have taken a lot of stupid people, though, I.

1056
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Speaker 1: Know, speaking of which did you see the President Obama

1057
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Speaker 1: interview this weekend.

1058
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Speaker 8: Yes I did.

1059
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Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the next hour and a half

1060
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Speaker 1: on that interview. Bethany Mandel, thank you. Follow her on exit,

1061
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Speaker 1: Bethany Shondart, and I'll look up All Country or whatever

1062
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Speaker 1: that is that you listen to. You listen to Harry Chaffin,

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned in the middle