WEBVTT - The Minnesota Fraud Scandal pt. 3 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.600 Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College, All Things Hilldale. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:05.480 At Hillsdale dot edu. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:07.440 I encourage you to take advantage of the many free 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.680 online courses there, and of course I'll listener to the 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.760 Hilldale Dialogue all of them at q for Hillsdale dot 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.840 com or just Google, Apple, iTunes and Hilldale. 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.800 Back to the Hugh Hughit Show. I'm guest host Kurt Schlichter. 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.720 And if you were listening right now, right here on 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.720 your radio dial er on the Salem News Channel app, 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:31.920 you would have seen my next guest, Doctor Sebastian Gorka. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.479 He is the Deputy National Security Advisor for counter Terrorism. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.479 He is a close personal friend. I am very proud 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.839 to welcome him to the Hugh Hewitt Show. Welcome doctor Gorka. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:49.040 Greetings, my dear friend, Happy new year. Just one small correction. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:53.760 Deputy Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Characterism. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:58.200 How is it to host my former show, Colonel Kay. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.840 Well, I hope I'm meeting your exact standards, doctor Gorka, 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.240 and I'm glad to say that you haven't gone and 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:08.240 activated this retired United States Army colonel and made myself. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:09.680 That was going to be my next thing. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:14.360 I mentioned stop playing foot see with US patriots inside 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.959 the administration and playing with the idea of US reactivating you, 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.679 because you know, I can text Pete Hegseth right now 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.400 and I can say, hey, there's an old six who 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:27.640 wants to get in the fight. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.399 So one more time. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.959 You played coquettish with that concept, and you may just 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.240 have the dow on your doorstep. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.880 Oh well, you don't have to worry about me. You 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:43.520 have to worry about Arena, and you've met her, doctor Gorka. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:46.840 We're friends. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.200 But I gotta say I am so proud to have 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.720 a guy like you, just as an American because you 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.080 have gone from a very public persona We don't hear 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:02.080 anything from you except occasional updates on what you're doing. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.600 You are all business, and your business is killing terrorists. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.240 And my understanding is that business is good. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:10.360 Yeah. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.560 The bumper sticker, my friend, is we are back in 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.200 the business of counter terrorism. It started on day eight 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.800 of the administration when we walked into the Oval office 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.360 told the Commander in Chief as a leader vices walking 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.320 around a freeman who Biden had been surveilling for a 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.639 year and a half He looked up at us from 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.320 the resolute desk and he said kill. That man got 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.280 out his iconic sharpie pen marked the go box on 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.320 the operational aord Is. Less than thirty hours later, I 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.400 was in the situation room under the West Wing with 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.359 my NSC colleagues, with the then National Security Advisor as 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.840 we watched that leader of Isis be removed with extreme prejudice. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.920 That was eleven days into the administration. Since then, I 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.040 can now report to you and our incredible Salem viewers 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:02.360 and listeners, the President has neutralites is removed from the 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:03.959 battlefield for good. 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:05.639 Four one hundred. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.079 And seventy nine g huddists with American blood on their 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.440 hands or who are plotting to kill Americans. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.440 That is outside of the Houthy campaign. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.120 That is outside of the incredible work of Dow, the 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:25.480 Coast Guard Secretary Rubio, Stephen Miller, Governor nomat DHS who 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:30.720 have been taking out with Pete Hegseth's direction, the drug boats, which, 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.079 let me be very clear, the President mentioned this recently, 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.560 every single one of those drug boats would cause the 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:43.480 deaths of between twenty and fifty thousand Americans. Every single 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.160 time we take one out, we are saving tens of 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.960 thousands of lives. So yes, we are back in the 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.320 business of protecting America and protecting her citizens. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:57.040 Kurt Ah Well, doctor Gorka, thank you and thank your team. Now, 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.200 I know as a leader you are only as good 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.560 as the people who work for you. And while of 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.400 course you're not going to reveal their names, can you 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.920 tell us a little about the kind of people you 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:15.560 get to orchestrate in your symphony of righteous retribution against terrorists? 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.720 Yeah, this is when you realize how blessed you are 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.880 as a man. So yes, I'm responsible for counter terrorism 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.880 for the most consequential president of the modern age, President Trump. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.200 But it only looks so good and the figures are 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.800 only so incredible because of the team who works for 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:38.839 me in the National Security Council. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.680 Our work is classified. I live skiffed life today. You 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:43.560 are familiar with that. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:47.719 Yes, spending very wrong days in a secure compartmented information 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.479 facility doing classified work. I have detail ees from across 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.160 the government. I have a direct hire who is my deputy. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.520 But these I'm just going to say this, And if 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.000 I had the good book in front of me, I'd 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.839 swear on the b and I said this to the 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.360 head of Hi. Everybody I know in government, every single member, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.600 every single director in my CT, my characters and directorate, 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.279 is a rock star. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.640 Whether they've come from the Department of War, whether. 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.159 They're from the intelligence community or other parts of the 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:18.960 US government. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.320 You know, it's like the President. 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.640 I give them, you know, a mission statement, I give 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.280 them the concept of operations, and they just execute. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.560 I don't need to hold their hands. None of them 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:31.440 is a prima dollar. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.719 And you know what's really rare in this stinking city 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.000 you are fully aware of that is people without egos. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.920 None of my directors has an ego. All they care 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.000 about is a mission and they are amazing patriots. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:48.040 Doctor Gorka, I'm going to keep you over into the 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.000 break for our podcast viewers, So let's just take a 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.680 quick pause and then we'll start up again with doctor 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.960 Sebastian Gorka here on the Hugh Hewett Show. Doctor Gorka, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:05.400 we're back in the podcast portion. I still think like 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.440 a kernel, what is the end state your unit is 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.480 looking for to achieve by the end of twenty twenty six, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.279 in our words, one year from now, what do you 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:17.400 want to be able to brief? 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.880 Oh, that's perfectly put. So the end state is very simple. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.800 I have one metric for the President and for all Americans, 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.280 whether they vote for President Trump or not, if you're 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.040 a US citizen, if you're a US taxpayer. I want 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:37.440 to make the five top jihadi entities in the world 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.160 which are capable of and have the intent to execute 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.920 what we call external operations, that's mass casualty attacks against 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.520 US citizens on the mainland or elsewhere. I want to 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.960 make them combat ineffective. I want to make them incapable 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.480 of killing Americans in America or doing anything like in 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.840 nine eleven. That is my very simple metric, and within 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.200 a matter of months that could happen. We are on 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.760 the casp of presenting the new US CANA Terrorism strategy. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:08.160 To the President. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.640 If he approves it and signs it, we will see 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.840 the hammers of hell come down on these entities even 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.960 more than they have in the last eleven and a 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.560 half months, and we will look. Here's another metric, and 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.280 it's kind of facetious, but it's true. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.320 I want to put people like me out of a job. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.560 There should not be a senior director of Canaterrorism in 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.600 the NSC. In terms of other threats like China, like Russia, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:36.400 like Iran. We shouldn't be dealing with you know, rag 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.000 tag jihadists in the most powerful building in the world. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.560 I want to suppress them until they become an irrelevance. 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:44.840 That is my dream. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.840 Ah, doctor Gorka, that's a wonderful dream. You helped me 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.440 out with my book The Attack, which postulate a mass 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.160 terrorist attack on the United States of America. He gave 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.000 me some great feedback on big picture stuff and also, Chris, 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.600 I some of my description of AK forty sevens if 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.560 I remember correctly. Let me ask you, though should have 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.720 right now, because you know we've only had a year 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:12.600 and we had open borders. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:12.000 For four years. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.400 How would you assess the internal threat in the United 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.480 States of America And what can individual Americans do to 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:24.200 ameliorate that threat? We got about thirty seconds. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.960 Yeah, number one, we are fixing it with the likes 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.320 of Stephen Miller, Tom Homan, Governor Ome. We are getting 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.000 rid of the worst of the worst who are let 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.520 into this country by Biden and Harris. But I will say, 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.360 you are the first line of defense, so don't expect 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.600 Uncle Sam to always be there to protect you. If 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.959 you can do so where you live, do what I do. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.120 Get licensed, carry a gun, protect your family and your 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.520 loved ones. But we are cleaning the mess up right 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.560 now that we inherited from President. 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.280 Auto Pen and doctor Gorka. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.160 Let me add go out, go find the Red Cross, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.480 learn urgency medical care, stop the bleeding. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:04.360 You can save lives. 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.560 Doctor Gorka, thank you, and please pass on the thanks 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.000 of this entire audience to your entire team, because you 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.960 know that's what leaders do. Thank you so much, Doctor Gorka. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:25.800 Happy New Year, and God bless America. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.000 We're back on the Hugh Hewitt Show. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.200 I'm guess Ho's church Schlickter, and of course that's the 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:35.320 Plimsul Southern California's Oh Peter Case. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.440 And the Gang Rocket Gosh. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.880 I love this music and I love the chance the 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.320 guest host the hu Hewit Show because I get to 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.959 pick it and I also get to have my pals 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.040 on and one of the guys. I listen to him 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.600 every week, just like I listen to Hwit Show. He's 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:56.320 on the Ruthless Podcast. He's one of the fellas. John Ashbrook, 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.239 Welcome to the hu Hewit Show. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:09:59.920 Sared, how you doing? 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.199 Happy New year, Happy New Year. 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:03.480 I'm doing great. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.679 You guys on the Ruthless podcast have had an incredible 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.320 twenty twenty five, haven't you. 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.679 Well, it's been a whirlwind. I mean, it's hard to believe. 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.800 We started out in January of twenty twenty five, and 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.080 Caroline Levitt and President Trump were nice enough to let 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.880 us ask the first question of any podcasters at a 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.600 White House briefing. So it started with that and then 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.679 continued through the summer. We had some great interviews, but 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.120 a lot of laughs, and we've got more in store, 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:34.880 I think for twenty twenty six. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.040 Well that was my next question. What are we looking 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.040 at in the near future for the Ruthless guys? Are 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.240 we looking at a Fox TV show? Because you guys 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.319 have linked up with the premier conservative television network. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.360 Well, I don't know about that. I do know that 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:51.800 what they asked us to do was just more of 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.800 what we've been doing all along. And so we had 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.199 a third show this year. Who knows what whether we'll 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.000 end up adding another one in twenty twenty I guess, 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.960 I guess we'll see. But I mean, we thought that 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.920 we were going to head into January with our ongoing 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.880 coverage of the Democrat Civil War. But this story out 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:17.320 of Minnesota and Ohio and probably every other state, you 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.040 can't you can't look away. I mean, this is the 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.800 most insane thing I've ever seen in my life. And 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.079 I mean a lot of people have been talking about 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.160 this for years, but thank God for Nick Shirley. I mean, 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.160 that guy really exposed something that at the right time. 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.320 And I mean, you got a tip a. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:36.520 Cap to that guy. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.360 It was amazing. I mean, I've been guest hosting for 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.800 four days. We're in the middle of a news desert, 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.400 and I've been I've been milking the Somali scandal like 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:50.920 a Wisconsin cheesemonger. So I mean, it just keeps giving 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:51.440 and giving. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.920 It doesn't it it does, It doesn't. You can't make 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.280 it up. The guy I was just talking to Dwayne 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.680 a minute ago, and you reminded me about this guy 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.520 who at a press conference today and said that we 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.400 would like to cooperate, but all the papers were stolen, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.040 our financial records. You can't make it up. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.720 One of those maga burglars who comes in looking for 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.960 your looking for your tax receipts, I'll show them. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:26.720 Man, it's you know, if it would be. It's you know, 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.720 it's so funny, but also like that, it's just so 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.400 much money. And all of us pay taxes every April 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.120 fifteenth at gunpoint or would go to jail, So you 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:40.479 send your taxes. You hope that the government bends them wisely, 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.560 but clearly they're just dumping it down a money pit 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:50.880 with these crooks who are who are just stealing so much. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:55.960 And also, you know, medicaid is for poor people who 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.520 who need help, you know, and so they're stealing it. 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.319 They're steal it from you and me, but they're taking 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.440 it right out of the right out of the Mauths 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.880 or the people who need it the most. And you know, 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.080 you wonder why there are all these problems in Medicaid 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.320 and they're you know, they are all these complaints that 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.160 it's not working as well as it should or they 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.120 don't have the funding they need. Well, now we know 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.280 where a lot of it's gone. And I really hope 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.400 that the Trump administration can put a stop to this. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.040 I really really hope I think they can. You know, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.520 they've got found like BONDI and cash Bit Talent, all 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.920 them are on the case. But you know, you just 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.920 know that this is going on in every single state 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:36.640 in our country. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.400 Well, I think John Ashberg of Ruthless, I think this 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.080 is just beautiful as a Republican because it hits them 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.520 on you know, it hits them on every level. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:47.800 Right in the Gonads. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.400 It is attack on immigration because we've imported this this 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.000 culture that's now eighty five percent you know well government 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:01.559 dependent and is running these the giant theft rings we. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.640 Have, uh. 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.000 We we have uh the. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:11.800 The the failure of welfare state on display for everybody. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:17.440 And we also have, thanks to uh Tim Waltz, an 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:22.560 amazing display of the inability of Democrats to perform the 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.400 basic blocking and tackling of government. 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.160 I mean, it's like a win win win. 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.680 If you if if we convened a council of renowned, 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:36.200 uh cynical right wing consultants to figure out the perfect scandal, 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.000 they would come up with this one. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.800 We're going to use. I mean, I figure we use 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:41.320 this as. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:46.080 A stically a suppository for the Democrats all through up 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:46.760 to the midterms. 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:47.360 What do you think. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.400 I think it's a great idea. I mean, the truth 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.600 is they are just really really bad at governing. Look 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.400 at every single blue state in this in this country. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.360 Look at every blue city. You got crime problems, you 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.680 have budget problems. You've got Democrats promising everybody everything and 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.800 not delivering on any of it. And then people are 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.280 stealing things right up from from under them, and they're 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.960 just like, well, you know, maybe we should let them 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.600 steal it and we shouldn't ask questions. There was a 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.200 CBS reporter, I don't know if you saw this CBS 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.920 reporter who came did a report from Minnesota, and he 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.680 basically was like, well, I checked in with the government 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.720 sources and they assure me there is no fraud. 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:30.600 Well that's. 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.840 What are you talking about, man, I mean the basic 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:39.360 level of journalism. You're supposed to question what the government 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.880 is telling you. But evidently when the Democrats says it, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.240 they take him at their word. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:45.880 Well, you know, they. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.120 Instead of speaking toe truth to power, they stuck the 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:50.960 toes of power. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:56.200 It's it's it's disgusting. I mean, uh, we. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.640 We've got about a little less a minute left, Johnbrook, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.840 how do you think I think the economy's coming kicking back. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.280 I think America is going to hit another boom. I 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.240 think we're going to do fine in the twenty twenty 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:09.120 six midterms. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:10.160 What do you think. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.080 Well, I'm not super optimistic about the twenty twenty six midterms, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.680 to be honest with you, Although the more fraud that's 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.280 uncovered in these Democrat run cities, the worse their brand 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.080 that's going to look, and the better the chances for 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:28.040 Republicans will be in terms of the economy. You know, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.800 I'm not the expert on that. I'm not as smart 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:35.320 as not defent, but he's pretty smart and he seems optimistic, 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.480 and he's made the case time and time again that 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.000 when these tax cuts that were passed last year kicking 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:43.840 at the beginning of this year, it's going to be 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.640 like rocket fuel. And I really hope he's right, and 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.520 I am willing to believe him because he knows a 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.360 whole lot more about it than I do. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.160 Well, John Ashbrook of Ruthless, thank you for joining me 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.120 on the h Hewitt Show. Please let Josh Holmes know 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.600 that I am a supporter of his porn staff. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:01.040 I think it. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.879 Looks great, and everybody stick around because I'm guest. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.920 Knows Kurt Schlicker, and we got a lot more to come. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.520 There are trial lawyers, and there are trial lawyers, and 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.480 this next guest is one of the latter. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:16.720 He's Ted Frank. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.000 He's the director of Litigation at the Hamilton Lincoln Law Institute. 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:24.560 You've probably seen him on the Twitter machine at Ted 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:29.040 Frank ted fri ns k and he's a pal of 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.720 mine who turned me onto Pinkerton's Barbecue in Houston. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.040 Ted, Welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:36.880 My pleasure. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:38.880 It's a real honor to be here. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:39.600 Thanks. What happening. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:41.760 I know it's your first time on the Hugh Hewitt Show. 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.040 Can you I know your background, but in about twenty seconds, 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.520 can you sketch it out for the audience so they 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.520 know who's going to be giving him some insights. 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:51.119 Sure. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.400 I'm an attorney that leads a conservative public interest law firm, 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.080 the Hamilton Lincoln Law Institute hll I dot org. 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.240 We've bought against class action lawyers. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:06.120 We've fought against government overreach, especially California First Amendment violations, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.720 and we have some litigation now pending against left wing 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:16.879 NGOs that organize disruptive demonstrations in the cities that block 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.600 roads and keep people stuck in traffic for hours. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.439 So when people talk about law fare, you guys are 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:23.920 the ones who counterattack. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:26.240 That's exactly right. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.760 Oh well, there's no better defense than a good offense. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.679 And I say that as a guy who's primarily a 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.240 corporate defense attorney. For years and years and years, ted 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.240 people have been seeing what's going on in the law. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:45.000 It seems like organized resistance to Donald Trump among primarily 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.280 Democrat appointed district court judges throughout the United States. You 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:53.239 and I both practice in the practice or practiced in 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.200 front of district court judges, and you know, normal people 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.280 look at and think this is kind of weird. It 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:02.760 doesn't sound right. You know, I practice there for thirty years. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.760 They're right, it's weird and it doesn't sound right. 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:07.000 How would you. 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.879 Characterize the last year of litigation? 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.520 There seems to be special rules that apply to Trump 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:20.040 that don't apply to other presidents. And we just have 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.960 a number of district court judges that are making effectively 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:30.439 lawless rulings and putting themselves in the position to rule 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.200 the executive branch or control the military, or order planes 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.760 to turn around, or order Congress to spend money that 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:42.080 they've explicitly said they don't want to spend. We have 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.960 one judge in the First Circuit who's now been reversed 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.200 three times, not even by the Supreme Court, but by 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:53.359 the First Circuit, which has one Republican appointed judge in 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:54.399 the entire bench. 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:56.400 What can. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:19:58.080 You know? 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.000 The criticism is Supreme Court. It is, well, you're not 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.600 acting normally. You're you're doing things that you know you're 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.840 you're breaking down guardrails. And my response is, way, man, 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.880 the guardrails are gone. The Supreme courts reacting to bizarre 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:16.040 procedural and bizarre substantive rulings. And when you have to 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:20.359 react to things that are weird and wrong, you can't 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.520 do that by being the same way you were when 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.000 there was some kind of coherence to it. 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.080 I don't even think the Supreme Court is doing something 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.480 all that different than what it's been doing for the 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:37.440 last ten years. They're they're enforcing the law, they're calling 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.560 balls and strikes. The administration doesn't bring every case before 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.920 the Supreme Court. I think they're they're picking and choosing 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.800 their cases and picking the cases. 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.719 That are most likely to win. And even then they 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.080 don't win all the time. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:56.880 And and uh often to the disapproval of Justice Alito, 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:00.640 who's spoken out against what the Court is Last week 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.200 in Trump the Illinois. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:03.399 Well, Trump vi. 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:07.040 Illinois was a case involving the deployment of the National Guard, 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.119 and I look at that, and. 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:11.680 You know, it was a very. 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:16.639 Textual based kind of decision with without a lot of 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.640 concern for the practicalities. The practicality being that the President 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.240 could just go, Okay, if I can't use that statue 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.879 to bring up the National Guard, I just declare the 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.639 Insurrection Act in effect and sending the active duty Marines. 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:37.440 My objection, Ted Frank, is that you know, we are 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:41.840 litigating things in a way they shouldn't be litigated, and 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:47.640 it's going to lead to jarring and off putting results. 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:53.680 I think that's right, and I certainly have some concern 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.439