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Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hello, Hello, and welcome to the Confessions of

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Speaker 1: a Christian Alcoholic podcast. I am your host, John Seidel.

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Speaker 1: This is your home for real stories, radical vulnerability, and

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Speaker 1: remarkable comebacks. In the end, this podcast is a place

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Speaker 1: for the desperate, the downtrodden, the destitute, and especially the drunk.

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Speaker 1: But it's also a place of hope and healing. I

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Speaker 1: know that firsthand because I'm the Christian who became an alcoholic,

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Speaker 1: not the other way around. Today I've found sobriety after

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Speaker 1: decades of struggling. But more importantly than finding sobriety, I

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Speaker 1: found Jesus. My prayer is that as I interview people

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Speaker 1: just like you and just like me, along with professionals

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Speaker 1: in the fields of trauma, faith and addiction recovery, you

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Speaker 1: will find the peace that is available to you through

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Speaker 1: Christ on the other side of whatever you're going through

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Speaker 1: and whatever addiction that might be. Because let's face it,

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Speaker 1: we're all addicted to something so welcome. Let's get radically

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Speaker 1: vulnerable as we explore what it looks like to be

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Speaker 1: on this journey of MESSI sanctification. We'll be right back

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Speaker 1: after this. What if the real goal of salvation is

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Speaker 1: not forgiveness. Think about that for a second. And for

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Speaker 1: some of you you may have just said like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that makes me feel uncomfortable. What are you talking about? John?

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Speaker 1: I thought you were in seminary and now you're saying

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Speaker 1: the goal of salvation is not forgiveness. What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing? Take a breath, because my guest,

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Speaker 1: who is a very orthodox pastor's written a bunch of books,

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Speaker 1: goal of salvation. Fellowship with God is the goal of salvation.

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Speaker 1: And he's written a book about that concept. It's called

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Speaker 1: Home with God. And our guest is Kyle Warley. I

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Speaker 1: love Kyle. I've known Kyle for a long time. I've

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Speaker 1: known Kyle since he was just I say, just in

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Speaker 1: maybe scary air quotes just coming on staff at at

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Speaker 1: a church that we went to together when my wife and

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Speaker 1: I first moved to Dallas. And he is a deep thinker,

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Speaker 1: he is a theologian, and he's got a pastor's heart,

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Speaker 1: and he's written this book called Home with God where

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Speaker 1: he talks about in a sense, the thing that I

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Speaker 1: talk about in my book as the first step in

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Speaker 1: breaking free, and that is abiding with Christ. And he

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Speaker 1: talks about it as in making your home in Jesus,

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Speaker 1: and he also says he says this, He says, in

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Speaker 1: Christ Jesus, we're given a new me, a new we,

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Speaker 1: and a new way. And boy, I cannot think of

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Speaker 1: a better way to summarize what happens when we abide

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Speaker 1: with Christ. So I'm really excited to talk with Kyle

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Speaker 1: about forgiveness, obviously not being the goal of salvation, about

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Speaker 1: getting a new identity. That's step two. If you've been around,

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Speaker 1: as I've talked about my four steps, and Kyle is yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's just he's just a really great guy, and I'm

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Speaker 1: excited for you to hear from him before we get

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Speaker 1: to that. I would love it if you would consider

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Speaker 1: pre ordering Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic. We are less

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Speaker 1: than a month away from the release of the book,

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Speaker 1: and I can't believe it. It's starting to feel real.

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Speaker 1: You know, you put so much into this for the

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Speaker 1: last year and a half, almost two years, and now

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Speaker 1: here you are, and man, it just feels like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: pinch me. And so if you can go to Christian

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Speaker 1: Alcoholic and pre order the book, it is still forty

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Speaker 1: case when it hits really stay on October seventh, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for all who have prayed for me as I've

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Speaker 1: started the Confession's book to or. I had my first

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. So with all of that said,

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Speaker 1: let's talk to Kyle Worley about making our home with God,

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Speaker 1: of salvation, and how we can truly abide in Christ.

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Speaker 1: Even though Kyle does not have a addiction story per se,

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Speaker 1: I think what he offers and what He gives us

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Speaker 1: Kyle Warley, Kyle, thank you so much for joining the

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Speaker 1: Confession of a Christian Alcoholic podcast. This is a real treat.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like you know people in your life

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Speaker 1: core group of ministers that really I think formed our

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Hey, thank you.

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Speaker 2: thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: And I you know, it's interesting because I think generally

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Speaker 1: want to open up by giving you the floor to

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Speaker 1: kind of explain what is this idea of making your

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure that not everyone who listens to this

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Speaker 2: And if you've read the Bible, you know how it begins.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people think forgiveness is the goal of salvation.

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Speaker 2: There have certainly been patterns of sin in my life

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Speaker 2: don't know how you thought about Christian salvation for or

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Speaker 2: how you've thught about christiantivation for the bulk of your

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Speaker 2: me in Christ Jesus, we're no longer defined by who

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Speaker 2: we were outside of Christ Jesus. So there are really

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Speaker 2: only two fundamental identities in the world, and they come

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Speaker 2: in all shapes and sizes, all language groups and socioeconomic

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Speaker 2: brackets and experiences and educations and stories. But there's really

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Speaker 2: only two fundamental ways of being in this world. You

435
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Speaker 2: can be in Atom, which is who we are by nature,

436
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Speaker 2: all of us, so that one's unavoidable. Everyone according to

437
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Speaker 2: the Bible is born in Atom, which means you have

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Speaker 2: Adom as your representative before God, and his estate is broken.

439
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Speaker 2: His condition is broken, and so yours is as well,

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Speaker 2: because you're in him. That's fundamental. Everyone according to the

441
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Speaker 2: Bible is born into that broken estate in Atom. But

442
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Speaker 2: there's a second way of being in God's world, which

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Speaker 2: is to be in Christ. Be in Christ is to

444
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Speaker 2: have Christ as your ambassador representative, and his estate isn't broken.

445
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Speaker 2: His estate is beloved. It's righteous. And not everyone experiences

446
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Speaker 2: this identity. But just like we are born by nature

447
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Speaker 2: in Adam, we can be born again by grace in Christ.

448
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Speaker 2: And so this identity change is a core component to

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Speaker 2: what happens when we are united with Christ. When we

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Speaker 2: place our faith in Jesus, we are no longer defined

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Speaker 2: by Atom or by our brokenness. We are now defined

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Speaker 2: by Christ and his belovedness. So that's the new meme

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Speaker 2: in Christ Jesus. Think about two Christians five seventeen. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: if anyone is in Christ is a new creation. The

455
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Speaker 2: old has gone, the new has come. Right. That's this

456
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Speaker 2: new identity that we're given. But it's not just a

457
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Speaker 2: new me and Jesus. We're brought into a new we

458
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Speaker 2: in Jesus, a new people. Now. I'm just not a

459
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Speaker 2: new person in Christ. I am now a part of

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Speaker 2: a new people in Christ Jesus. And this new people

461
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Speaker 2: is the body of Christ. In Christ Jesus, I am

462
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Speaker 2: knit together with other brothers and sisters in Christ with

463
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Speaker 2: different stories and backgrounds and preferences and language groups and

464
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Speaker 2: experiences and educations and all these things. And our unity

465
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Speaker 2: is not grounded in anything but a shared allegiance to

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Speaker 2: Christ Jesus. We're a new people in Christ, a new

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Speaker 2: we in Christ. And then lastly, we're given a new

468
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Speaker 2: way in Christ, a new way, just a new way

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Speaker 2: to live in God's world. We see this pattern throughout

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Speaker 2: the Bible. Like when God delivers Israel from Egypt, does

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Speaker 2: he shout down the Ten Commandments at them when they're

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Speaker 2: still enslaved in Egypt. No, he rescues them. He delivers

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Speaker 2: them because of the covenant, love and grace he has

474
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Speaker 2: for them, And having brought them out, he says you

475
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Speaker 2: are my people. Now let me show you how to

476
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Speaker 2: live as my people. We have a new way of

477
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Speaker 2: living in God's world as his people. And this puts

478
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Speaker 2: the emphasis where the Bible puts the emphasis, which is,

479
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Speaker 2: we don't live the Christian life in order to receive

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Speaker 2: God's love. We live the Christian life in order that

481
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Speaker 2: we might enjoy more and more of the love that

482
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Speaker 2: God already has perfectly for us in Christ Jesus. So

483
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Speaker 2: that new me, new we, new way, or kind of

484
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Speaker 2: the three I would say, critical building blocks of what

485
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Speaker 2: we receive in Christ Jesus.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this. You know, I had

487
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Speaker 1: written down this line that you would that you had

488
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Speaker 1: put in the book. It's you say, we are born

489
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Speaker 1: with a broken compass for a heart already looking for

490
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Speaker 1: a home, and then union with Christ creates a new me,

491
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Speaker 1: a new wet and a new way. And I think

492
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Speaker 1: that is just such a beautiful juxtaposition. But I'm curious,

493
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Speaker 1: like you know, and you've kind of talked that about

494
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Speaker 1: this a little bit, but specifically about that compass part,

495
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Speaker 1: how does union with Christ really does it fix that

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Speaker 1: broking compass? Does it reorient that broken compass? How does

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Speaker 1: that work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, so whenever we place our faith in Christ,

499
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Speaker 2: we are as according to the Bible, our broken heart

500
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Speaker 2: is replaced with a whole heart. Now that doesn't mean

501
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: that there are not still problems there. It just means

502
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: there's a heart of stone that we're born with into

503
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Speaker 2: this world, and it's not It cannot move towards good

504
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: and righteous things. It won't move towards good and righteous things. Naturally,

505
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: it's bent and broken. So its structure is sound, but

506
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: its direction is bent. It goes for things that don't satisfy.

507
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Speaker 2: But in Christ Jesus, we're giving new affections, new desires.

508
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Speaker 2: We're given a new heart that now can move towards

509
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Speaker 2: what is good and true and lovely and righteous. Now

510
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: it won't do so perfectly. We're still broken, waiting for

511
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Speaker 2: the world to be remade, waiting for ourselves to be

512
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Speaker 2: remade fully for good forever. But now we're at least

513
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Speaker 2: able to move towards that which is good and lovely

514
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Speaker 2: and true and right. And so when you ask the question, okay,

515
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Speaker 2: what does it mean that we're born with a broken

516
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Speaker 2: compass for a heart, Well, it means in Christ we

517
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: are given a new heart. And while sometimes we do

518
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: find ourselves lost and wayward. We at least now know

519
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Speaker 2: the difference, you know, we now know like, Okay, I'm

520
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Speaker 2: I'm out of where, I'm out of alignment where I

521
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Speaker 2: should be. You know, It's like I might say it

522
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Speaker 2: like this, if I, let's say that I have a

523
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Speaker 2: broken bone. Okay, like I break something in my leg.

524
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Speaker 2: I may have to have some surgery. They may have

525
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Speaker 2: to put something in there. I might have to have

526
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Speaker 2: a cast on there for a period of time, like

527
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Speaker 2: it has to get back to health. We're born with

528
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Speaker 2: like a broken bone, and it needs a kind of

529
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Speaker 2: intrusive work and resetting that needs to be reset. Even

530
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Speaker 2: after it's reset, it may not be everything that it

531
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: could be, you know what I'm saying. It may not

532
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Speaker 2: be as strong as it was before, but it's not

533
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Speaker 2: broken anymore, you know what I'm saying. Like it may

534
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Speaker 2: still need to be kind of into a line. It

535
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Speaker 2: still may need to be treated with a degree of sensitivity,

536
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Speaker 2: but it's not broken. It just may not be everything

537
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Speaker 2: that it could be one day, or could have been

538
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Speaker 2: had it not ever been broken. And then we're kind

539
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: of in the lands between right now, you and I

540
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 2: and everyone listening to this podcast. The time between the

541
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Speaker 2: First Coming of Christ and the Second Coming of Christ,

542
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Speaker 2: and in this time between, everything in the world, including

543
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Speaker 2: your eye, is a mixture of brokenness and beauty. It's

544
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Speaker 2: and we are moving towards the world and ourselves as

545
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Speaker 2: it should be, but things aren't fixed for good, permanently forever.

546
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, in Christ the compass is reset. We

547
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: still find ourselves lost and wayward, confused, scattered, caught, but

548
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: way we at least have a sense to know that

549
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Speaker 2: that's where we're at, as opposed to before when it

550
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Speaker 2: just feels like, well, that's all that it could be.

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Speaker 1: That is such a helpful explanation. You know, I've because

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Speaker 1: I've had some people who have questioned if I was

553
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Speaker 1: ever truly a Christian, having struggled with with addiction. And

554
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Speaker 1: you know, they take some verses and say, well, you know,

555
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Speaker 1: actually in first John, you know, there's there's there's some

556
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Speaker 1: of those a little bit later. I obviously disagree with that,

557
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Speaker 1: and and so I think that that idea of saying

558
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Speaker 1: it's not that you won't ever get off course, but

559
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Speaker 1: it's that you know actually how and where to reorient yourself. Yeah,

560
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Speaker 1: I think that's and and and the broken bone. If

561
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Speaker 1: you're if people are watching this, if you're a paying subscriber,

562
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Speaker 1: I subsect, you'll see, like I broke my hand as

563
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Speaker 1: a freshman in high school, and so this analogy is

564
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Speaker 1: really helpful because ever since I broke my hand in

565
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Speaker 1: high school, I can't make a three like this is

566
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Speaker 1: this is this is the only thing I can do.

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Speaker 1: It looks like a claw because because the the the

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Speaker 1: I don't know, the nerve, the whatever in there will

569
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Speaker 1: never be the same. You know, I can't make a

570
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Speaker 1: three on my right hand with my fingers, you know.

571
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Speaker 1: So uh so I love that analogy. I want to

572
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Speaker 1: go to identity. It's it's one of the four things

573
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Speaker 1: that I talk about in my book, the four steps

574
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Speaker 1: that I took to break free, and that was you know,

575
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Speaker 1: finding finding my identity in Christ. Now what's interesting is

576
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Speaker 1: I I gloss over intentionally. I'm like, I'm not talking

577
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Speaker 1: just about the identity as a child of God. You know,

578
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Speaker 1: if you're a Christian, you have that. I you know,

579
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Speaker 1: I focus more on that specific identity, that specific role

580
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Speaker 1: that the Lord has given you. And so I think

581
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Speaker 1: what's really great is your book, your book really is

582
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Speaker 1: going into depth about the general identity in a good way.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm curious, as someone who really has that

584
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Speaker 1: general identity concept nailed down, how does anchoring your general

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Speaker 1: identity lead to finding and help you find that specific

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Speaker 1: purpose and what God has called you to do in life.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. If I know that, I

588
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Speaker 2: think I'll be pulling my punches on risk taking, if

589
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Speaker 2: I think that it's possible that in taking risks to

590
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Speaker 2: move towards what God might be specifically calling me too,

591
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Speaker 2: could compromise my future estate and I mean like spiritual

592
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Speaker 2: estate with God. Let me see a different way I

593
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Speaker 2: can really improvise on in God's world if I know

594
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Speaker 2: his review on me is already in. Like I can

595
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Speaker 2: really chase after some big things if I know considantly

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Speaker 2: if I fail, guess what I fell into a beloved

597
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Speaker 2: identity I can never lose. Like, I really don't think

598
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Speaker 2: you'll see the zeal, boldness, courage, conviction, genuine creativity pioneered

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Speaker 2: if if you don't have the confidence of knowing my

600
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Speaker 2: Father has me, and even if I fail in every

601
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Speaker 2: endeavor I set out to accomplish, his love for me

602
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Speaker 2: is not lesser or greater than the day I began.

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Speaker 2: So I think in moving towards, moving people towards specifically,

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Speaker 2: like what God might be uniquely entrusting to them in

605
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Speaker 2: their calling or purpose or specific identity, whatever phrase you'd

606
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Speaker 2: want to use, I think that giving them a sure

607
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Speaker 2: and stable foundation is an invaluable piece of that. Like

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Speaker 2: if I John, neither one of us are tall people,

609
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Speaker 2: you and me, right, amen, Okay, we're not tall guys.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that either one of us would be

611
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Speaker 2: prime contenders for dunking a basketball.

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Speaker 1: Have never been able to do it him, I will

613
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Speaker 1: never taste that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very unlikely for both.

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Speaker 1: Well you move the hoop down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sure, well of course. Yeah. But even if

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Speaker 2: we were six'. Ten you, know but the super high,

618
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Speaker 2: vertical if we if we just raised somebody kind of

619
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Speaker 2: just levitated them three or four inches off of the,

620
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Speaker 2: ground and we said jump and reach the rem they

621
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to do. It they'd have nothing by

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Speaker 2: which to stand on to build the momentum to jump

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Speaker 2: into the air to dunk the. BASKETBALL i think that

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Speaker 2: when you give A christian or you give anybody a solid, foundation,

625
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Speaker 2: identity a platform and say guess, What it doesn't matter

626
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Speaker 2: whether you fail a thousand. Times this foundation is going.

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Speaker 2: NOWHERE i think that powers people to move with risk

628
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Speaker 2: and with boldness and courage and with. Confidence and that's

629
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Speaker 2: exactly what we're given In. Christ we're given this, unbreakable,

630
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Speaker 2: unchangeable unshakable union and we can stand confidently on that,

631
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Speaker 2: foundation knowing it can never be. Removed and if we

632
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Speaker 2: fail in every single endeavor we set out to, accomplish

633
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Speaker 2: it goes nowhere because it is sealed not in our,

634
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Speaker 2: victory but in the victory Of, christ our savior And. Lord,

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Speaker 2: well that changes how we'll participate in the. WORLD i

636
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Speaker 2: think it provides the proper, foundation motivation, engine whatever you

637
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Speaker 2: want to call, it towards pursuing, things pursuing, growth pursuing,

638
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Speaker 2: flourishing pursuing, opportunity cultivating a holy.

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Speaker 1: Ambition oh that's so. Good AND i think you, know

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe you're listening to this and you're Hearing, Kyle

641
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Speaker 1: you're hearing, me and you're, like, great you, Guys i'm not.

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00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: THERE i, like you know, WHAT i. CAN'T i can't

643
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: fully get. There maybe maybe you are A, christian but

644
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: you're just like H, kyle you talk about in your

645
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: book this gift of, faith AND i think that is

646
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: so important and you break it down into the, agreement,

647
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: affection and. Allegiance can you talk about the gift of? Faith?

648
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know, what it's so, Interesting, john because

649
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: faith is so fundamental to the language That christians, use

650
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: and OFTENTIMES i find that people have knowing like like

651
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: and this was me. Too it's not me, saying, hey

652
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: your listeners should have figured out. Faith when people would

653
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: ask me what faith is for a long, time it was,

654
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: LIKE i don't. KNOW i don't know THAT i know

655
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: how to describe. Faith AND i think a lot of

656
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: other people, like we'll, say, hey you should place your

657
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: faith In. Jesus what does that mean to place your

658
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: faith In? Jesus, Right it's it's not like he's asking

659
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 2: me to take a dollar and putting it in The god.

660
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: Jar you know that'd be very that'd be real. SIMPLE

661
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: i know exactly what that meant to place your faith In.

662
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: Jesus SO i think trying if being united With, christ

663
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: if that comes by way of putting our faith In,

664
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: Jesus if putting our faith In, jesus how we experience.

665
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: Salvation if that's how we experience. Sanctification if it's how we,

666
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: grow if it's How god works in our, life then

667
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: what does it. Mean, Well i've said faith is the

668
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: gift That god gives you so you can give yourself

669
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: back To. God when we're born into this, world we

670
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: can't give ourselves To. God we need to give ourselves To.

671
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: God we can't do. It it's almost like there's a,

672
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: muscle there's like a tool that we don't. Have we

673
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: can't do. It god gives us the gift of, faith

674
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: and the first fruit of the gift of faith is

675
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: giving ourselves back To. God and that involves your a

676
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: sent your. Mind, okay it Involves, yeah it involves believing

677
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: some core things that there's A god AND i am not.

678
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: Him it involves believing that you Need him for salvation

679
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: And he's provided salvation for you In. JESUS i, mean

680
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: those are kind of three core components of what you

681
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: really got to believe from the ASCENT a sent just

682
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: being A, S, S E N. T MEANING i assent to,

683
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: IT i affirm these, things these true things About. God

684
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: so it's a part of. That but a lot of

685
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: people only think about faith that, way, Like, okay here's

686
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: a set of true, things And i'm gonna check yes

687
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: or no to. Them and IF i check yes to the,

688
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: questions THEN i have placed my faith In. God that's

689
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: one part of. It another part of it is your,

690
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: heart which is your. Affection it's your. Affection it's not

691
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: just that you believe these things to be. True you're

692
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: glad that they're. True so just do you believe that

693
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: there's A god and you're Not, him that you're glad

694
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: there's A god and that you're Not. God it Doesn't

695
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: it's not just that you believe or firm that you

696
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: need salvation And god has provided In. Jesus it's that

697
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: you're glad that you need salvation And god has provided In.

698
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: Jesus so you have affirmation your, mind, affection your, heart

699
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: and then you have allegiance which is your, hands which is, yeah.

700
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: Okay placing your faith means there's an allegiance. Change we're

701
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: born into this world with the wrong, allegiance you, know you,

702
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: know we're born by, nature not waking up reciting the

703
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: pledge to The United states Of, america but reciting the

704
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 2: pledge to, self sin and, satan and that one's way

705
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: worse that one's way, worse and so we need an allegiance.

706
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: Change and that's what repentance really. Is repentance is an allegiance.

707
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: Change i'm no longer going to follow in this. DIRECTION

708
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: i am turning to follow in the direction That god

709
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: has laid out for. Me so. Faith god gives us

710
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: this gift of, faith and we can give ourselves back

711
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: To god and that involves affirming some true things About,

712
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: god ourselves in the, world our affections getting getting in

713
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: alignment with that, affirmation being glad that those things are,

714
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: true and then our allegiance shifting to Follow.

715
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: God you, Know i'm so glad that, you especially in that,

716
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: answer talked about. Repentance there was a there was another.

717
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: You, Know.

718
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm struggling with this, word but A, christian a dictionary

719
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: recovery advocate who wrote a, book AND i was going

720
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: to interview them on this, podcast and, UH i just

721
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: couldn't because there were some things THAT i read in

722
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: the book and one of them was talking the way

723
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: that he described repentance was, well let's just, say let's

724
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: just for our purposes say repentance is thinking about the

725
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: bad things that we've. Done And i'm, like, no that's not, repentance.

726
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: Right repentance requires an. Action it's that, turning, Right and

727
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: so that that that that changing of, allegiances, RIGHT i

728
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 1: think is really core and important to what you talked.

729
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: About and So i'm glad that you said that is

730
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: so so. Helpful couple couple more questions. Here one of,

731
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: THEM i, think you know you're you're opening the book

732
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: and you talk about this season of discouragement and, anxiety

733
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: AND i, think just on a personal, level, Well i'm,

734
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: curious is how have you found you, KNOW i talk

735
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: about my my my greatest addiction is not to, alcohol

736
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: it's to. Escapism, yeah and you, know alcohol is my

737
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: was my means to escape some really crappy things that

738
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: went on in my, life you, know two years. Ago

739
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: And i'm just, curious from a personal, level how do

740
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: you manage not, now you, know taking those moments of

741
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: discouragement and anxiety to The lord and not falling into? Escapism?

742
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: Oh, brother this is we're gonna learn. Together we're gonna learn.

743
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: Together and it's so Anything i'm saying is stuff That

744
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: i'm very much still. Learning because, yeah you put your

745
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: finger right on the tender spot in my. Heart that's

746
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: very much the case for me as. WELL a lot

747
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: of my, drive a lot of my WHAT i have

748
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: to really grapple with every day is If i'm constantly

749
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: moving the goalpost on myself, constantly IF i break through

750
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: one brick, Wall i'm looking at, That i'm looking at

751
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: the next hundred brick. WALLS i very rarely pause to be,

752
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: like thank You god for, that Or, GOD i need.

753
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: Help and So i've just got to drive in me

754
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: that The lord can direct towards holy goals WHENEVER i

755
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: have a heart of faith in humility before. Him but by,

756
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: nature my muscle memory runs on an unholy, discontentment AND

757
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: i got to wake up every day prepared for that

758
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: unholy discontentment engine to be, running because it's just waiting

759
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: every single. Day and so it leads to, Hustle it

760
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: leads to, burnout it leads to, anxiety and for a

761
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: season of my, life it led to panic attacks that

762
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere that just felt LIKE i had

763
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: no idea where these panic attacks were showing up from

764
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: this is back in twenty, thirteen really through twenty, fifteen

765
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: and lo and, BEHOLD i had so pummeled the engine

766
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: of my human heart with reckless ambition and escapism and

767
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: unholy ambition and vainglory that man the engine was just

768
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: pride and, mind body and soul was just starting to.

769
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: Crumble and it was really in that period of time

770
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: WHERE i was discovering once again THAT i don't think

771
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: there is a solution to, escapism a solution to, healing

772
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: a solution to besetting sin that doesn't involve a surrender

773
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: of yourself and your identity To like the first question

774
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: of The Heidelberg catechism asks what is your only comfort

775
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: in life and? Death and the escapist wants to find

776
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: comfort that is like what you, Gosh you're, Like i'm

777
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: gonna get. It IF i have to pay for, it

778
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: IF i have to hustle for, it IF i have

779
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: to build for, it IF i have to drink for,

780
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 2: it IF i have to click for, IT i am

781
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: going to get. Comfort i'm The Heidelberg catechism, aster what

782
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: is your only comfort in life and in? Death you

783
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: would expect that the response to, that IF i was

784
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: writing the right like the biblical response to, that you,

785
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: KNOW i, wasn't Thank god because it's much better the

786
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: way it. Says BUT i would have been LIKE i

787
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: would have said something real. Sweet it would have been

788
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: like a real sweet thing right out of the. Gate

789
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: the way That heidelberg responds to. It what is our

790
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: only comfort in life and? Death THAT i am not my?

791
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: Own those are the first words of. It you think

792
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: about how counter, cultural how, counterintuitive how counter self that,

793
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: is That i'm not my. Own so it begins with

794
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: saying you don't belong to. You my only comfort in

795
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: life and death is THAT i am not my, own

796
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: but belong both in body and soul and life and

797
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: in death to my faithful, Savior Jesus. Christ the last

798
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: part of, that belonging to my faithful, savior that sounds

799
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: that's the sweet sounding. Part the first part of, it,

800
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: though is sacrificial. SURRENDER i am not my what's my

801
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: only comfort of life and? Death to realize my comfort

802
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: is not, Mine to realize my life is not. Mine

803
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: to realize my death it's not. Mine it all belongs

804
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: to The. Lord that for me was the, counterintuitive countercultural

805
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: discovery THAT i really was in order to experience What

806
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: god has for, ME i was going to have to

807
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: let go of WHAT i wanted for.

808
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: Me, yeah that is so. Good that is so. Good

809
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: last question THAT i want to ask. You you have a

810
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: whole other book we didn't get to out call form For,

811
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: Fellowship and BUT i want to read this little part

812
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: of the description of the book because it really hit.

813
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: Me and it says, this what we spend our time

814
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: consuming will inform who we are, becoming and where we

815
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: set our eyes today will determine the trajectory of who

816
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: we are years and even decades from. Now god's invitation

817
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: to his people is to be formed for, fellowship fellowship

818
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: With god and with one. Another and there's two things

819
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: that really hit. Me there, is you KNOW i spent you,

820
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: know my whole, life but then really you, know for

821
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: two years consuming alcohol in secret and chasing that chasing that,

822
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 1: comfort right like like you just talked about give us

823
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: and you were the first ONE i think that introduced

824
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: me to the. Book you are what you love during

825
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: a class where you were you were one of my.

826
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: Teachers but walk us through. Quickly why is it that

827
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: what we, chase what we consume cannot help but change

828
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: inform us and we become That.

829
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah whoa that it's a big winch, on that's a big,

830
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: one but it's it is important you AND i are born.

831
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: Beholders we're born. Beholders Andy krout says it in the

832
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: life we're looking. For he says it this. Way and

833
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: this is not just like a biblical or philosophical. Notion

834
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: when when we study the formation of of infant brains

835
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: and babies as they're, born babies are born into this

836
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: world looking for a face looking back at, them and

837
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: when that face looks back at, them their brain begins

838
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: to get. Activated we're born into this world looking for

839
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: something that is looking back at us and when we

840
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: and that's a creaturely. Designed we were born for. Fellowship

841
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: we were born for, relationship born for, communion fellowship With

842
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: god and with other. People but because of the brokenness

843
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: of this, world there are a lot it's almost like

844
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: we're born into a hall of, mirrors you, know because

845
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: the world is, broken and all of them will tell us, like,

846
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: hey this is who you, are this is who you could,

847
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: become this is who you'll. Be look into, me give

848
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: me your. Attention and whether it's alcohol or it's, pornography

849
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: or it's the next, promotion or it's a six figure,

850
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: salary or it's a four year, degree or it's the

851
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: email inbox or it's our slack feed or it's hustle, culture.

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Speaker 2: these distorted, images and we just are set into that

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Speaker 2: who you really, are and we only really discovering that

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Speaker 2: by discovering Who god. Is John calvin begins his biggest

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Speaker 2: Work institute of The Christian religion by, saying the core

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Speaker 2: thing that we set out to do is to know

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Speaker 2: we can only know who we are if we first

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Speaker 2: clearly we begin to see ourselves, clearly and this hall

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Speaker 2: lose its enticing power to distract us and distort our self.

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Speaker 2: Understanding and so it is absolutely crucial that we learn

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Speaker 2: and discover what or who are we really looking at

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Speaker 2: to discover who we, are because if we don't really

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Speaker 2: answer that, question we end up becoming the sum total

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Speaker 2: of all the things that get our. Attention maybe to,

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Speaker 2: say the best single summary that you could get for

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Speaker 2: this is from the, poet and Says Mary, oliver a naturalist,

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Speaker 2: poet check out our poetry if you. Want but she says,

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Speaker 2: this and she says that in the way only a poet,

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Speaker 2: Can attention is the beginning of. Devotion whatever you give

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Speaker 2: your attention, to that's what's going to have your. Devotion

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Speaker 2: attention is the beginning of. Devotion AND i think the

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Speaker 2: book form For fellowship is really just all about recognizing

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Speaker 2: where your attention is going and finding some basic ways

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Speaker 2: In christ to redirect that attention into places that will

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Speaker 2: give you more of the good and less of the.

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Speaker 1: Bad what a great and perfect place to. End because, yes,

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Speaker 1: yes and, amen that's so, Good. Kyle if people want,

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Speaker 1: TO i, mean because you're a prolific. Writer you don't

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Speaker 1: just have these two. Books you also have some children's

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Speaker 1: books coming. Out if people want to get in touch

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Speaker 1: with you and see what you're up, to where can they?

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Speaker 2: Go, Yeah Kyle worley dot. Net And i'm online At

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Speaker 2: Kyle worley on, Really instagram And. Twitter so At Kyle

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Speaker 2: worley On instagram OR i guess x Or Kyle worley dot.

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Speaker 2: Net you can find everything that you might be looking.

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Speaker 1: For, yeah we age ourselves LIKE i still can't you

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Speaker 1: know me either.

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Speaker 2: Either it'll always be to us every TIME i go

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Speaker 1: Twitter so absolutely, Absolutely, kyle thank, you thank you so,

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Speaker 1: Much love you, brother this has been just a.

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Speaker 2: Treat thanks for having me. Man thank.

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Speaker 1: You how about that quote about grace being, disruptive right,

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Speaker 1: like it's hard to receive a gift you can't earn or.

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Speaker 1: Repay that is so, true Right? Like think about. THAT

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Speaker 1: i LOVE i love what he talked about. THERE i,

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Speaker 1: MEAN i love so much of what he talked. About

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Speaker 1: but you know about failing and how if we, fail

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Speaker 1: we can fail into a beloved identity that we can never.

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Speaker 1: LOSE i, MEAN i think those of us who have

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Speaker 1: struggled with addictions and doing what we don't want to,

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Speaker 1: do we need to hear that again and again and

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Speaker 1: again and. Again and to know That god has made

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Speaker 1: his home in the midst of his people and that

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Speaker 1: we can make our home In jesus is a great.

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Speaker 1: Reminder and it's one of the reasons THAT i advocate

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Speaker 1: abiding In christ because there is really something to be

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Speaker 1: said about what it does to our. Souls you, know

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Speaker 1: you talk about That god shape toll and maybe you've

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Speaker 1: heard that, before that there's a hole inside of us

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Speaker 1: that Only god can. Feel AND i think there is

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Speaker 1: definitely something inside of us that wants to be In, jesus,

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Speaker 1: Right and maybe that seems weird to, You maybe that

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Speaker 1: seems beyond what you can comprehend or you can't imagine

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Speaker 1: a life. There CAN i just, say, like start, practicing

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Speaker 1: start practicing a body In. Christ And i'm telling you

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Speaker 1: that it will. Come it definitely will. Come if you

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