WEBVTT - Checking in on the DHS Shutdown, SAVE America Act, and war in Iran

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked to bottom with guests today, most talking about Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm starting off with Mary Katherine Ham, co host

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<v Speaker 1>of Getting Hammered, and there was a super duper normal

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<v Speaker 1>getting Hermreed today with Kelly Mayer as our guest host

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to Vic Mattis. I found it very amusing,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Katherine. I don't know Kelly, what's the deal on? Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly is a political operative out in Colorado, So she

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<v Speaker 2>works in the Big Square States, formerly on getting Republicans elected,

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<v Speaker 2>but the party out there doing so great these days,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's one of the things that she comments on

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<v Speaker 2>and observes and tries to correct to the best of

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<v Speaker 2>her ability by getting normal people into the party, because

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<v Speaker 2>once the party goes into a spiral in a state,

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<v Speaker 2>it is hard to get back.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what's going on out there.

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<v Speaker 1>But is she super duper not normal like your kids

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<v Speaker 1>thought of you. She's played super duper not normal.

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<v Speaker 2>She's I mean, we all have our ways. All my galfriends,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, are a little too into politics to

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<v Speaker 2>be actually normal, but they But she is a normy

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<v Speaker 2>mom out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Not normal to get a wake off and say, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go to auctioneer school. And I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of auctioneer school.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>When I would get a week off, I would go

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<v Speaker 1>to like Saint John's College and read great books with

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of venture capitalists, that sort of. But the

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<v Speaker 1>auctioneer school in Iowa in a blizzard, that's just not normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you know what, We're just opening up new areas

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<v Speaker 2>of capitalism to understand and it's very powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>I have one more question before we get to the

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<v Speaker 1>serious stuff. You have a star spangled banner renission. You

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<v Speaker 1>can sing the star spangled banner.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wouldn't say it's a treat, but I

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<v Speaker 2>can hit the notes.

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<v Speaker 3>I can carry a tune.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, I my request wild I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly wielded as a weapon because if there's a rowdy crowd,

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<v Speaker 2>I just start the anthem and then they hush, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I say, ah, look you here's the real singer.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a request, which is, when Vick is in

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<v Speaker 1>the house, that you get whatever kind of boombox you

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<v Speaker 1>need and you warm up the pipes and you let

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<v Speaker 1>us hear it, because you never know when you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to use it. We were in the middle of Yosemite,

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere way off in the middle of nowhere. Actually it

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<v Speaker 1>was in the Canadian Rockies, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>the fetching missus Schwett thought, you know, there might be

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<v Speaker 1>bears around here, and she broke into the Star Spangled Bears.

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<v Speaker 2>The bears, look, you don't want to you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to surprise them, and they're very patriotic, so very patriotic.

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<v Speaker 2>It all works out when you use that as a tool.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Let me come around to patriotism. Your assessment

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<v Speaker 1>of our war with Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, to me, the media seems to be almost not

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<v Speaker 2>at all focusing on what looked like tactical and operational

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<v Speaker 2>pretty tremendous victories along with alliances and open support from

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<v Speaker 2>Arab states that you would not have suspected Gulf states

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<v Speaker 2>that you would not have predicted several years ago. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't want to miss that part of the

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<v Speaker 2>story for the fact that everyone is reporting only on

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<v Speaker 2>there are risks here.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, there are risks here.

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<v Speaker 2>There are risks in any military action, but it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to me that there's a lot of overlooking of the

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<v Speaker 2>actual victories happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're Americans. We don't like to hurt people, we

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<v Speaker 1>really don't. But the way to win a war is

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<v Speaker 1>to blow up the bridges and the roads, destroy the

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<v Speaker 1>power plants, and decimate the refinery so they can't make

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<v Speaker 1>any money afterwards. And I'll bet the people of Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>the families of the thirty thousand plus people were murdered,

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<v Speaker 1>would not mind if we told them what we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to do and they could stay away from it.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Look, I think that the people of Iran have

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<v Speaker 2>shown to the best that they can.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously they're sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Of cut off from things that they are supportive of

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<v Speaker 2>much of this and the clips that we have seen,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly what that looks like moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm afraid we won't take a kill shot because

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<v Speaker 1>the President doesn't want to blow up the infrastructure that

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<v Speaker 1>allows Iran to rebuild. We do dominate that you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>know it from the media, but we have complete air supremacy.

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<v Speaker 1>We can hit anything we want to hit any time

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<v Speaker 1>we want. We can hit it three times between the

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli Asia and we've hit sixteen thousand targets. But the iergy,

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<v Speaker 1>she keeps bringing people out of retirement and they're old killers,

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<v Speaker 1>they're ruthless sobs, they're not going to be reformers.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and I think it's an open question what

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<v Speaker 2>the American public will tolerate when it comes to length

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<v Speaker 2>of a military action or how much you can employ

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<v Speaker 2>a kill shot, because that, you know, our sort of

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<v Speaker 2>military supremacy in the actual operational part is not really

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<v Speaker 2>in question at this point, certainly coupled with Israeli intel,

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<v Speaker 2>which is amazing, and those two working together. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do think there's a question about how much the public

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<v Speaker 2>is willing to stomach, and sometimes that threshold can be

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<v Speaker 2>quite low. So I think, and of course Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>attuned to that.

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<v Speaker 3>To some degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, what did you pay for gas last, Mary Catherine?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I could tell you, but I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>northern Virginia, so it's expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. My son is visiting California paid six and a

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<v Speaker 1>half dollars a gas with a gallon of gas on

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<v Speaker 1>his way to Disneyland today, and that's not unusual. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been there before in California under Joe Biden, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not what we've been used to for a while. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think the American people will break and run on

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<v Speaker 1>Trump if he brings the regime down. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>world historical moment. It's a pivot moment. This regime has

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<v Speaker 1>been nothing but evil for my adult life. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think we've got three months of hardship in US?

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<v Speaker 2>I think some people are interested in the world shifting moment.

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<v Speaker 3>That this is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he needs to make a case for it regularly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think an Oval Office address on this and why

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<v Speaker 2>it's important would be helpful. Because people are concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>the gas prices. They are as concerned about their home

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<v Speaker 2>lives and how things look there for what they can afford.

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<v Speaker 2>And if it looks like he is too distracted by

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<v Speaker 2>this and not making that case. It does run a

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<v Speaker 2>risk of alienating people before the midterms.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I've got audition, I feel that's worth it. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got August Flueger coming up. He runs a Republican Study Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to make my plea to him. Please

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<v Speaker 1>do a reconciliation. Please put your arm around the Pentagon

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<v Speaker 1>supplemental double it fask for two hundred billion, given four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred billion, Tell them to spend it on Golden Dome

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<v Speaker 1>Fund DHS through the end of the term so that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't go through this ridiculous stuff at the airports anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And hang any other Christmas tree ornament. But do it

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<v Speaker 1>in two weeks. It's not really complicated, Mary Catherine. You

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<v Speaker 1>can do it with fifty one votes in the Senate,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can do it with a majority. You can

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<v Speaker 1>lose Massey who won't vote for it. But what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think should they at least try?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I do think it's probably important in the near

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<v Speaker 2>term to do something domestically, to say that you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>something and say, look, these are our priorities. We're making

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<v Speaker 2>sure that these people can't mess with you in the

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<v Speaker 2>future by pulling funding. By doing these shutdown stunts. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they could have been better over the last bit

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<v Speaker 2>about messaging that this is wholly a project of the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats that are proactively attempting to do this. The media

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to back you up on that. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got to make that clear yourself from the beginning so

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<v Speaker 2>that people standing in these TSA len lines know why.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, profering an actual solution to that through legislation

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<v Speaker 2>would probably be a good pitch for people.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, last question about Northern Virginia. They shut the schools

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<v Speaker 1>down in anticipation of thunderstorms that did not come. Now, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>in Warren, Ohio, thunderstorms meant Tuesday. What is wrong with this.

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<v Speaker 2>State many things, But what's wrong with a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>blue localities, particularly when the politicians are aligned with teachers' unions,

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<v Speaker 2>is that they practiced closing schools for several years. They

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<v Speaker 2>got really good at it. And the places that practiced

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<v Speaker 2>closing schools continue to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it at the drop of a hat. And places

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<v Speaker 3>that practice being open.

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<v Speaker 2>Are better for students and will do it even through adversity. Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, closing for the NFL Draft for three

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<v Speaker 2>days while that happens I mean, that's Detroit didn't do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had seven one hundred and seventy five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people in town for the draft. But this is what

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<v Speaker 2>leadership and education does now in blue areas.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I didn't know that. I'm going to get Selena

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<v Speaker 1>Zito on the case. Mary Catherine, I'm always good to

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<v Speaker 1>see you. Follow her at MK hammer, Listen to her

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<v Speaker 1>at Getting Hammered Along the podcast Very Funny podcast Today,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome Back in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt and no C. Rothman,

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<v Speaker 1>senior writer for a National Review. Iran Warhawk. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to now use that as your lower third, Noah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're like me, you're an Iran warhawk. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think Donald Trump has it in him to finish the job?

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<v Speaker 6>I sure hope he does. I mean that is the

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<v Speaker 6>biggest question mark, isn't it. I kind of think that

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<v Speaker 6>we've been seeing over the course of this week could

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<v Speaker 6>be any number of things. It could be everybody has

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<v Speaker 6>been said, well, maybe he's just trying to manipulate a

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<v Speaker 6>wheel markets, or maybe he's just trying to look for

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<v Speaker 6>a diplomatic off ramp, or perhaps he's sowing dissension within

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<v Speaker 6>the ranks in the IRGC and the clearsy. Everybody thinks

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<v Speaker 6>that their brothers and arms are going to sell them

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<v Speaker 6>out right.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be all of those things. It could be none

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<v Speaker 3>of those things. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>But what we're seeing in the press seems to be

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<v Speaker 6>an exploration of every possible downside of this war except

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<v Speaker 6>the prospect of stopping too soon. That's the most dangerous

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<v Speaker 6>of all the outcomes that are presented before us right now.

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<v Speaker 6>And it seems to me that the press exploring all

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<v Speaker 6>these outcomes leaves that one unexplored because it's the one

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<v Speaker 6>they want.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you're right now. I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>it clear because I'll say this, if the war ends

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<v Speaker 1>during this broadcast, we are much better off today than

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<v Speaker 1>we were twenty five days ago because the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the regime is revealed. Most of the regime has been shattered,

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<v Speaker 1>and their military war making ability has been set back decade.

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<v Speaker 1>But they would more than that, if they had one.

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<v Speaker 3>More than that.

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<v Speaker 6>You Yeah, I mean, I have a twenty seven hundred

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<v Speaker 6>word piece on this on the website if you're interested

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<v Speaker 6>in my thoughts in all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of their luggery.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and the extent to which I can't contain them

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<v Speaker 6>beyond the fact that we have defanged, for the most part,

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<v Speaker 6>RAN's capacity to project power across its borders. We have

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<v Speaker 6>also re ordered the geopolitical landscape in ways that are

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<v Speaker 6>very beneficial to US. China and Russia have been exposed

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<v Speaker 6>as fairweather friends. The strategic pac that they signed with

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<v Speaker 6>Iran as recently as in January isn't worth the ink

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<v Speaker 6>that was spilled on it. Their radars and anti air

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<v Speaker 6>systems have been exposed as insufficient to meet the threat

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<v Speaker 6>posed by Western airpower, and the Gulf States seem rather

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<v Speaker 6>completely arrayed against Iran, recognizing that Iran is the threat

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<v Speaker 6>in their neighborhood, not Israel, not the United States, and

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<v Speaker 6>the United States is the only power on Earth that

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<v Speaker 6>has both the will and the capability to see to

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<v Speaker 6>their defenses.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to be gradually there in eric in orbit

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<v Speaker 1>as a result. Ambassador Yusef Alo Taiba, who is really

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<v Speaker 1>one of the more influential and important ambassadors in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>DC's been here for a long time. Ambassador from the

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<v Speaker 1>United Arab Emirates to the United States, has a peached

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<v Speaker 1>in the Journal the UAE stands up to Iran. This

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<v Speaker 1>war requires a conclusive outcome, one that addresses Tehran's full

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<v Speaker 1>range of threats. I think that's an appeal for the

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<v Speaker 1>kill shot, and by that I mean blow up the highway,

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<v Speaker 1>blow up the bridges, blow up the power plants, blow

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<v Speaker 1>up the oil refineries, reduce the country to penury that

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<v Speaker 1>people will take it from there. Do you agree with me?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I don't know. The President doesn't share that outlook.

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<v Speaker 6>As you said in the last segment, he wants to

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<v Speaker 6>leave as much infrastructure in place for a successor regime

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<v Speaker 6>to utilize and so the Iranian people can get a

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<v Speaker 6>post Islamic republica ran off its feet as soon as possible.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not going to second guess that scenario. It's too

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<v Speaker 6>soon to think about post war scenarios in the midst

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<v Speaker 6>of the conflict. But people accuse me of being pollyannish

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<v Speaker 6>about this war merely because I don't emphasize the negatives

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<v Speaker 6>or the theoretical negatives honestly possible downsides of which there

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<v Speaker 6>are many and I'm willing to recognize and explore. But

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<v Speaker 6>what they don't explore is the degree to which the

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<v Speaker 6>tactics which are begetting the strategic of benefits that we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Going that we're enjoying now and will.

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<v Speaker 6>Enjoy as a result of this war are immensely successful.

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<v Speaker 6>People brush them off as saying a da YadA, YadA, YadA.

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<v Speaker 6>We never win the post war. But you get to

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<v Speaker 6>the post war by the tactics. If you don't focus

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<v Speaker 6>on the beat by beat and you talk about the

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<v Speaker 6>day after, the audience has no idea honestly what you're

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<v Speaker 6>talking about, and it's prime for pessimism. And that seems

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<v Speaker 6>to me to be honestly sort of the ticket into

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<v Speaker 6>sophisticated circles. Now, if you're not really hopeless in dower

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<v Speaker 6>and melancholy about this war.

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<v Speaker 5>Well you're just not a serious person, or you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not crazy yourself knowing it's weird. I agree, but I

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<v Speaker 1>am not. I think we are crushing them. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the American.

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<v Speaker 6>Worlitaria, it's at a granular level.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the only thing that has bothered me happened yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>The IRGC is not bringing people out of the freezer.

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<v Speaker 1>They're bringing out the sixty eighth to seventy year old

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<v Speaker 1>generals who fought way back eighty to eighty eight against Saddam.

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<v Speaker 1>They're hardened killers. They've got money in the bank and

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<v Speaker 1>their four oh one k's are at risk, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna kill everyone they need to kill on the street.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're not going to a regime of moderates. They're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing the old hardliners out of retirement to replace the

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<v Speaker 1>ones we've killed. That tells me that we're gonna we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be in the war for a one I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know is that I got you go ahead?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you can you talk?

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<v Speaker 7>You?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, sorry about.

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<v Speaker 1>That, That's okay. My point was yesterday they brought the

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<v Speaker 1>old guard out of retirement, the IRGC guys who were

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<v Speaker 1>killers for here. That's a bad sign. They're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to make peace with Donald Trump. Do you agree?

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<v Speaker 3>No, they're not going to make peace.

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<v Speaker 6>Just about the entire idiot the regime, the IRGC and

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<v Speaker 6>the Claresy, which are one and the same, are highly ideological,

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<v Speaker 6>highly committed to the revolutionary creed inside Iran, and the

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<v Speaker 6>old timers are going to be even more inclined towards

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<v Speaker 6>that that outlook. But the post war environment that we

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<v Speaker 6>want to create is one of internal fragmentation within the regime.

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<v Speaker 6>Expose elite disagreement over how the best course of internal

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<v Speaker 6>survival is individual survival. Those disagreements will have to materialize

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<v Speaker 6>after the war, and they involve the disintegration of patronage networks,

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<v Speaker 6>institutions that break down the isolation that I Ran experiences

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<v Speaker 6>on the world stage beginning to bite is well, including

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<v Speaker 6>not just the Western world, but the anti American axis Russia, Beijing, Moscow, Beijing,

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<v Speaker 6>North Korea, et cetera. And those old timers are going

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<v Speaker 6>to be the people who expose those internal divisions.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't be in hiding.

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<v Speaker 6>They have to be visible, because those are the people

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<v Speaker 6>who have to break at some point, either with the

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<v Speaker 6>regime or with the people, and they have to compel

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<v Speaker 6>a confrontation at some point with the internal mechanisms of

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<v Speaker 6>this regime versus the conflict with the people in the streets.

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<v Speaker 6>And we can anticipate that another conflict with the Iranian

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<v Speaker 6>people will material as it has pretty regularly over the

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<v Speaker 6>course of this century two thousand and one, twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 6>twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty two, and twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 6>We're going to see another one soon, and we need

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<v Speaker 6>to see the Iranian regime exposed so that it can

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<v Speaker 6>it's its internal divisions can be visible by the publican

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<v Speaker 6>by the wider world. So I'm not entirely horrified by

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<v Speaker 6>the prospect. In the near term, it will be horrible

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<v Speaker 6>for the American people, difficult for us.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the last questions, who besides Noah Rothman and

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hewittt are Iran warhawks?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, it really does depend on who you ask.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think the American people would be supportive of

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<v Speaker 6>this project. As Mary Catherine said in the last segment,

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<v Speaker 6>the President needs to enlist the American people in this

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<v Speaker 6>national project. Sacrifices will be asked of them. They already

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<v Speaker 6>are and the President needs to be forthright about that.

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<v Speaker 6>But within the Republican Party, the majority of them are

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<v Speaker 6>supportive of this war, apprehensive about its outcomes, anxious about

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<v Speaker 6>its conduct, but supportive of the war aims and its

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<v Speaker 6>conducts so far. And that's a that's a bedrock that

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<v Speaker 6>the President can build on. He should get to work

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<v Speaker 6>on it because that apprehension is only growing and the

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<v Speaker 6>American public want to know that their investment in this

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<v Speaker 6>project is going to yield returns.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only yield return but that it's a world historical

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<v Speaker 1>moment of the likes of which we have not seen

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen eighty nine. Rare when you realize that you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a pivot. Everybody should know this

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<v Speaker 1>is that right now, it's like nineteen eighty nine, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have to topple this regime. We just have to

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<v Speaker 1>no see Rothman, thank you. I'll be right back in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned. Morgan back in America. You do it here on

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<v Speaker 1>the Salem New Channel, joined by Sarah C. Bedford to

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<v Speaker 1>The Washington Examiner follow on exit. Sarah C. Bedford, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>do the Democrats know that they are losing the country

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<v Speaker 1>over the TSA and Brouglio.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Actually, it seems like they don't at all.

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<v Speaker 8>In fact, it seems like they're taking the opposite lesson

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<v Speaker 8>from this. Republicans have accused them, i think quite credibly,

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<v Speaker 8>of moving the goalposts on what a DHS funding deal

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<v Speaker 8>could look like. They don't seem to be acting in

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<v Speaker 8>the situation is that they believe they're going to shoulder

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<v Speaker 8>any political blame for the long lines we're seeing at

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<v Speaker 8>airports and the other knock on effects of the dj shutdown.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's the case. Why is there an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>basically do a seizure on the way to the forum

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<v Speaker 1>to Chuck Schumer because Chris Murphy and the other people

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<v Speaker 1>have lean and hungry looks in their eyes.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it's a problem for Schumer because every time that

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<v Speaker 8>he has ultimately accepted some sort of deal that leads

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<v Speaker 8>to the reopening of government. Now, this is a partial

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<v Speaker 8>government shutdown, but twice now we've seen Schumer do that.

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<v Speaker 8>With full government shutdowns, He's faced an enormous amount of

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<v Speaker 8>backlash from the Democratic base. There's already talk of challenges

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<v Speaker 8>to his leadership should Democrats expand their minority or even

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<v Speaker 8>an in a less likely scenario, take control of the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>There's talk that.

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<v Speaker 8>Maybe Schumer isn't the man for the moment for Democrats.

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<v Speaker 8>So he's worried about his leadership position as well. And again,

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<v Speaker 8>you do have Democrats acting as if they don't think

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<v Speaker 8>that they are going to pay a political price for

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<v Speaker 8>this shutdown. And so there's not a ton of incentive

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<v Speaker 8>or pressure on Schumer right now to accept what might

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<v Speaker 8>be considered by the base a bad deal.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let me go over to the others. I

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<v Speaker 1>have criticisms of the GOP as well. Congressman Fluberry is

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<v Speaker 1>coming along later. He runs the Republican Study Committee, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to press him on reconciliation. Is it going anywhere?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the GOP is not going to get anything done

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<v Speaker 1>unless they do it on reconciliation.

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<v Speaker 8>It's going to be an enormous challenge. You can only

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<v Speaker 8>lose three senators if you're going to do that, and

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<v Speaker 8>obviously the margins for Johnson maybe even smaller at this point,

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<v Speaker 8>so it's really really hard to get all of.

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<v Speaker 3>The Republicans on board.

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<v Speaker 8>But you're right, reconciliation will be the only train leaving

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<v Speaker 8>this this year realistically for a lot of priorities, and

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<v Speaker 8>there are a bunch of things that Republicans want to

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<v Speaker 8>get done. They want some extra Pentagon funding for the Iranmar.

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<v Speaker 8>There's some talk of potentially trying to shoehorn parts of

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<v Speaker 8>the Save Act electron integrity measures into a reconciliation bill.

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<v Speaker 3>And you could also put funding.

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<v Speaker 8>For ice removal and enforcement operations in a separate bucket

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<v Speaker 8>and fund it through reconciliation and not have to hash

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<v Speaker 8>out all of this immigration enforcement stuff with the DHS deal.

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<v Speaker 8>So there are a lot of reasons for Republicans to

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<v Speaker 8>do a reconciliation bill, but because it's a heavy lift.

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<v Speaker 8>That's why you've seen reluctant so far this year from Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>They could, I believe, fund DHS through the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump term so you don't have to worry about

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<v Speaker 1>that again. They could take the Pentagon's floated two hundred billion,

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<v Speaker 1>they could double it and add money for Golden Dome

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<v Speaker 1>and the Golden Fleet, and they can. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff from say won't make it past the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>part elementarian or a bird bath, but they're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to get it through the talking filibuster either. They might

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<v Speaker 1>as well take a run at it. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand doing nothing. Does anyone tell you why they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 8>I think there's fear for some of the vulnerable members.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, you have Susan Collins of Maine, for example,

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<v Speaker 8>has said she doesn't love the idea of doing reconciliation.

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<v Speaker 8>She's going to be in a very bitter reelection battle

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<v Speaker 8>this year, So you do have some Republicans on the

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<v Speaker 8>bubble who are nervous about voting for stuff that might

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<v Speaker 8>come back to haunt them and You're right about parts

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<v Speaker 8>of the Save Act not making it through the bird bath.

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<v Speaker 8>There's talk of potentially measures that might incentivize states to

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<v Speaker 8>pass their own voter ID laws, but that certainly will

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<v Speaker 8>not satisfy conservatives who say, this is an eighty twenty issue.

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<v Speaker 8>It's so popular even most Democrats support it. Why can't

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<v Speaker 8>a Republican trifecta in Washington.

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<v Speaker 6>Deliver this for us?

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a valid criticism from conservatives.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not of a not in my eyes of criticism,

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<v Speaker 1>because the bilibuster is the filibuster is the filibuster, and

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<v Speaker 1>if we change it, it's gone forever. And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans just have to be willing to stand up and

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<v Speaker 1>say that, and Mike Lee will get mad. But Mike

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<v Speaker 1>is a good guy, you know. The Republicans who understand

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<v Speaker 1>this do not want to end the filibuster. Has anyone

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<v Speaker 1>made the argument yet?

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<v Speaker 9>No.

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<v Speaker 8>I think you're right that there's not an appetite to

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<v Speaker 8>end the filibuster. But there could be a way that

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<v Speaker 8>Republicans could break out the most popular parts of the

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<v Speaker 8>Save Act, and I'm talking primarily about voter ID and

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<v Speaker 8>strip out the things like the proof of citizenship, to

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<v Speaker 8>register to vote, and the stuff that Democrats have really

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<v Speaker 8>voiced more aggressive objections over. It would be hard for

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<v Speaker 8>Democrats to oppose a voter ID only bill, And in fact,

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<v Speaker 8>Schumer has sort of hinted that, look, we're not opposed

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<v Speaker 8>to voter I D we know eighty percent of America

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<v Speaker 8>wants it. It's all that other stuff. So Republicans could

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<v Speaker 8>sort of strategize and not let perfect be the enemy

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<v Speaker 8>of the good if they really want and voter ID.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope they do that. I didn't realize you what said.

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<v Speaker 1>They should get what they can. The good must not

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<v Speaker 1>be the perfect, must not be the enemy. They're good.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah C. Bedford on X from The Washington Examiner, good

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you. Thank you, Sarah. Don't go any America.

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Pletka from ai AS next as we go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the war, Stay tuned, Welcome back in America. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh Ewett, Danny Pleck, Senior fellow at American Enterprise Institute,

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<v Speaker 1>co host with Mark Tison of What the Hell Is

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<v Speaker 1>Going On podcast. I saw Mark out for dinner on

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Danny, and I thought Danny's probably working. Mark's out

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<v Speaker 1>here having drinks. That's not really fair, Danny. You ought

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<v Speaker 1>to tell him he needs to be working more. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so glad you're here because I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>is do you think the Trump administration has it in

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<v Speaker 1>them to finish the job? And by that I mean

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<v Speaker 1>bite down. It might mean high energy prices for three months,

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<v Speaker 1>it might take three months to clear the straight of

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<v Speaker 1>horror moves, but bring this down? Do you think they've

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<v Speaker 1>got it?

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<v Speaker 3>So that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that the problem is the end of the sentence.

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<v Speaker 4>Does the Trump administration have what it takes to fill

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<v Speaker 4>in the blank if it's to open this trads of formus.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's no question they have what it takes.

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<v Speaker 4>They have a plan. I think that they are executing

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<v Speaker 4>on that plan. I think the President hasn't faltered. I

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<v Speaker 4>think he recognizes that he can not allow the Iranians

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<v Speaker 4>to at will close the straight. But if the question

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<v Speaker 4>is does he have the will to see our campaign

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<v Speaker 4>from the air tople the regime? I think the answer

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<v Speaker 4>to that increasingly is no.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think that? Because I'm betting unless they

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<v Speaker 1>hit his fifteen points, which is effectively the dismantling of

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<v Speaker 1>the regime, in the way that the South Africans gave

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<v Speaker 1>up their nukes and the Libyans gave up their nukes.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not the regime anymore, Harmonias, They're corrupt dictators at

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<v Speaker 1>that point, Why do you think Trump will blink if

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<v Speaker 1>they don't deal.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's a question of blinking, Hugh. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's a question of defining his end game. And increasingly,

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<v Speaker 4>what I hear in Washington, and frankly from the Israelis

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<v Speaker 4>as well, although I'm hearing a lot, is that their

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<v Speaker 4>aim is to create the circumstances under which the Iranian

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<v Speaker 4>people can reclaim their country. It is not to bomb

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<v Speaker 4>the regime into smithereens.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's nothing left.

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<v Speaker 4>And I will say this, if you and I think

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<v Speaker 4>about this, and you have a lot of experience, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>going back decades as well, if you think about this,

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<v Speaker 4>there are very few campaigns from the air that execute

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<v Speaker 4>a regime change, so you know, so I think those

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<v Speaker 4>are the big caveats right now. And that's very much

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm hearing, and that is what my co host

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<v Speaker 4>Mark Tissen is hearing as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you think happens if the we will stipulate.

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<v Speaker 1>The Iranian people want to be rid of this regime

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<v Speaker 1>and they would fight for it if they had weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens if Iran runs out of electricity and oil?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if we really do shatter their infrastructure like

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<v Speaker 1>the President threatened to do and then walked it back.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that good for the Iranian people? It's bad, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be make rebuilding harder. But in the short term,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it make it easier to throw off the regime? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I couldn't agree with you more. Look, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>on the one hand, you want to preserve as much

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<v Speaker 4>as is possible in order for a successor regime to

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<v Speaker 4>take over. On the other hand, you need to recognize

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<v Speaker 4>there are forty seven years here, and as you and

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<v Speaker 4>I have discussed previously, this isn't a strong man government.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a system. This is a dictatorship. The Islamic

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<v Speaker 4>Republic is a giant infrastructure and it needs to be crushed.

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<v Speaker 4>And unfortunately there will be some baby thrown out with

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<v Speaker 4>the bathwater here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what worried me this week is that they began

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<v Speaker 1>to get old timers off the bench, people who fought

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighty eighty eight war IRGC retired general. They're killers,

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<v Speaker 1>They're not They're enjoying their lucre. They're enjoying their corruption,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've been brought back to kill the next wave

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<v Speaker 1>of that regime's not changing, Danny. Do you think there's

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<v Speaker 1>any chance of it changing?

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<v Speaker 4>Not a chance, No, absolutely not. Look, they are inextricably

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<v Speaker 4>tied to it. And I would add, there's so much

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<v Speaker 4>money at stake. Even if you discount the ideology, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't discount the ideology. These people believe that they

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<v Speaker 4>are God's chosen leaders.

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<v Speaker 3>They believe that they are.

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<v Speaker 4>The only people who can lead in wrong. And even

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<v Speaker 4>if you set that aside and you think that's a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of you know, think tank clap trap. They have

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<v Speaker 4>so much money that they've stolen and they if they

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<v Speaker 4>are going to hold on to that money, they need

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<v Speaker 4>to hold onto power.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you know a Valley Naser, he's

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<v Speaker 1>all right, JOHNS Hopkins, and he wrote the book Iran's

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Strategy. When you read that or you listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the Ready g they're never going it's a zombie regime.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's pretty hard to kill a zombie. You agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that assessment, it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely I mean, look, you know, I watch cable

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<v Speaker 4>TV just like everybody else, and I know just.

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<v Speaker 7>How hard zombies are to kill.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, of one of Iran's most loving analysts

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<v Speaker 4>here in Washington, somebody who really always takes the side

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<v Speaker 4>of the regime, said to me a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he said, the regime says that thirty percent

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<v Speaker 4>of the people are with them. Even if that's half true,

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<v Speaker 4>we are talking about millions and millions of people. This

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be a hard job. I think the

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<v Speaker 4>Iranian people can do it. I think there's a tipping point.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we can help push it. But I worry

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<v Speaker 4>that both the Israelis and the Americans are overconfident in

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<v Speaker 4>our ability to put the Iranians in a position from

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<v Speaker 4>which they can't come back.

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<v Speaker 5>They can always come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we too restrained? And by that I mean they

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<v Speaker 1>do have power plants, they do have oil production facilities.

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<v Speaker 1>They have command and control structures that will blinker the

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<v Speaker 1>entire city and throw it into darkness. They have overpasses,

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<v Speaker 1>they have roads and bridges. We did not spare that

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<v Speaker 1>with the Allies in World War Two. We didn't spare

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<v Speaker 1>it with Vietnam, and I'm not sure we should be

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<v Speaker 1>sparing it now, should we?

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<v Speaker 4>No, you are completely right, and there are other mistakes

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 4>we're making in terms of the assets we have. We

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<v Speaker 4>should absolutely be hitting everything. We should be allowing the

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<v Speaker 4>Israelis to hit what we're not hitting. And in addition,

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<v Speaker 4>only fifty percent of Iran is Persian. There are Azari's

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<v Speaker 4>that are Ba Loochs, there are Kurds. Everyone hates this regime.

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<v Speaker 4>This regime has.

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<v Speaker 3>Murdered absolutely everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>And if they're bad to the Persians, you can only

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<v Speaker 4>imagine what they're like to other minorities. Those people want

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<v Speaker 4>to stand up and revolt. Those people want to march

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<v Speaker 4>on towns in the north, in the south, and we

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<v Speaker 4>should be letting them. So far, the president has not

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<v Speaker 4>been willing to let them, in part because because Erduwan,

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<v Speaker 4>the dictator in Turkey, does not want to see the

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Turks get the Kurds get any any liberty whatsoever, and

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<v Speaker 4>so he's talking him out of it day on day out,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know that, and that is why we

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<v Speaker 1>talked to Danny Plutka follower he Plukka at Ai and

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>listen to what the hell is going on with Mark Tishan. Danny,

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<v Speaker 1>don't let him go out and drink when you're working.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you I saw him out there at the bar.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks having a good time, I mean, with work on.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Danny. I'll be right back to America States

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<v Speaker 1>in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Welcome to the second hour

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<v Speaker 1>of today's program. I'm joined by Abe Greenwald. Abe is

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<v Speaker 1>the executive editor of Commentary magazine. He's also a frequent contributor,

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<v Speaker 1>almost daily contributor to the Commentary podcast. Abe. I found

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<v Speaker 1>today's podcast to be very interesting, especially towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>when you raised the possibility that maybe persuasion is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer possible in America. You want to expand on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sadly, I think that's true, and actually I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>a newsletter.

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<v Speaker 10>To that effect that was sent out just about half

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 10>an hour ago. I think that Donald Trump should have

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<v Speaker 10>laid out a lucid and convincing argument for going into

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<v Speaker 10>Iran when he did in the way he did. But

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<v Speaker 10>I think you should have done it because that's the

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<v Speaker 10>job description. Do I think it would have weighted some

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<v Speaker 10>vast number of Americans who are now doubting the war.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 10>And to whatever extent it would do so, I think

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<v Speaker 10>I apologize my dog is growling. So whatever extent it

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<v Speaker 10>would do so, it would I think that would be

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 10>very fleeting. As the media anti war coverage, Walt's war,

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 10>anti war coverage has just swallowed up what is really

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<v Speaker 10>an ongoing string of remarkable successes in this war.

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<v Speaker 3>So the effort to talk.

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<v Speaker 10>Down this war, to discuss it as if it's some

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<v Speaker 10>sort of travesty, is so overwhelming. I mean, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 10>of reminded of the argument that people made about Israel

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<v Speaker 10>post October seventh that, you know, if the Israelis just

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<v Speaker 10>could explain better to people why they were doing what

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<v Speaker 10>they were doing in response.

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<v Speaker 3>To October seventh, as if October seventh wasn't proof enough

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<v Speaker 3>taped and filmed for everyone to see, wasn't the case

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<v Speaker 3>enough for what the Israelis were doing?

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<v Speaker 10>And so similarly, if you look back on forty seven

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 10>year history of the running regime, it's provocations, it's violence,

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 10>it's killing, its weapons development, its terror supporting, and so on,

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<v Speaker 10>and you don't see the case for war right now,

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<v Speaker 10>You're not going to see.

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<v Speaker 1>It, you know, Hey, I am reminded of the movie

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<v Speaker 1>Chariots of Fire. Did you ever see it? Yes? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So the sprinter is the Jewish Kid nineteen twenty Olympics

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>true story, and he asks a professional track coach make

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>me faster. He says, you can't put in what God

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>left out. God has left out of a lot of

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Americans basic knowledge about the evil nature of the regime

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<v Speaker 1>in Iran. I mean, I don't think they understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the equal the Chinese Communist Party, and they

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 1>are the equal of Putin on his worst day. These

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>are the three worst regimes in the world. North Korea

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 1>would be in that rank, except they've done about as

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>much damage as they can do short of precipitating in

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>nuclear war. Do you think Americans understand how evil Iran

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<v Speaker 1>is and its ambitions?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think they're doubtful. I think they don't quite

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 3>believe it.

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<v Speaker 10>I think that's also because we suffer from still Vietnam syndrome,

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 10>Iraq and Afghanistan syndrome. And then that's all complicated by

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 10>Trump derangement syndrome.

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 5>And on the left you have.

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<v Speaker 10>These anti colonialist idelogus who believe that any action the

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<v Speaker 10>US takes his prima facia a war crime, and on

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 10>the right, a lot of what used to go under

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 10>the banner of patriotism has been swallow up by nationalism,

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<v Speaker 10>which looks at American national interests from the most narrow

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 10>lens and would say, well, even if they are an

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:11.280
<v Speaker 10>evil regime, what does.

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<v Speaker 3>That have to do with us? So I think all

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<v Speaker 3>told yes.

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<v Speaker 1>No now At twelve forty seven this afternoon East cost time,

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<v Speaker 1>Ambassador Yusef Alotaiba, who is the United Arab Emirates Ambassador

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States and really one of the most

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>talented people in the business inside of DC. I've had

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.360
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to have dinner with him a few times.

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 1>He worked very hard at making his country understood to

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:42.879
<v Speaker 1>the Beltway press corps. He posted a piece over at

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the Wall Street Journal which I recommend to every listener,

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 1>and it reminds people the UAE, which is forty miles

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<v Speaker 1>away from Iran across the Strait of Hormos, has absorbed

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>two thousand, one hundred and eighty missiles projectile drones. They're

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 1>standing tall with us, and it finishes the tagline is

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that this war requires a conclusive outcome, one that addresses

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Tehran's full range of threats and the way that it ends.

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<v Speaker 1>The last three paragraphs. Iran's nuclear capabilities have been degraded,

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 1>its proxies have been weakened. More needs to be done

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 1>to remove the missile and drone threats, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>ready to join an international initiative to reopen the strait

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<v Speaker 1>and keep it open. We aren't asking the US to

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 1>carry the full burden. We are defending our people, protecting

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>regional stability and global prosperity, demonstrating that re alliances are

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<v Speaker 1>built on cooperation and contribution, not dependency. Finally, we want

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<v Speaker 1>Iran as a normal neighbor. It can be reclusive and

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>even unwelcoming, but it can't attack its neighbors, blockade international waters,

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>or export extremism. Building a fence around the problem and

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>wishing it goes away isn't the answer. It would simply

0:36:56.560 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 1>defer the next crisis. That is blunt blunt can get

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that puts u AE in with US in Israel. Don't

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you think it's time that Trump just resolves to finish

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<v Speaker 1>the job.

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<v Speaker 10>Sure, and I'm not I'm not certain that that he's

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.879
<v Speaker 10>He doesn't feel the same way. You know, he's very

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 10>hard to read, to put it very mildly, and part

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 10>of my thinking here, my suspicion is that in his

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<v Speaker 10>announcing these very positive talks, suppose it talks with Iran,

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 10>is in sense some way of him demonstrating for the

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 10>world going to that he's going to get an unreasonable

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 10>response from the running regime that's going to reject diplomacy,

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 10>and that he will then have made a stronger case

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<v Speaker 10>for finishing the job after.

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<v Speaker 1>Now finishing the job. In my view, I don't think

0:37:57.880 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 1>we're going to send ground troops and in any sort

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 1>of maybe to secure this strait. I don't know. I'm

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 1>a civilian, but I do think it means taking out

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:10.919
<v Speaker 1>their dual use power plants, taking out their oil refineries,

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>taking out their bridges and roads that allow command and

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 1>control the function. In other words, treating it like an

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>enemy in World War two, but with the precision that

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 1>can save civilian lives. Would you support that?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Sure, I would support that. I mean I would probably

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.800
<v Speaker 3>go farther. I mean, I think we should retrieve fistle material.

0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 3>I think that would be a wise move.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think.

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<v Speaker 10>Then there's job finishing that goes beyond what America.

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<v Speaker 5>May be willing to put itself on the line.

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<v Speaker 10>For In other words, I'd be perfectly fine if we

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 10>left under the conditions that you describe. I'm very doubtful

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 10>that there wouldn't be some ongoing operations having to do

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 10>with Israel and the Masade and their coordination with.

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:04.800
<v Speaker 3>The run people to actually overthrow the regime.

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 1>And I also but that's if we took out the

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure and we said we had to do it. The

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>regime is irredeemable. They're promoting by the way, they're getting

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>old Irgc people off the bench. They're bringing it hardened

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>killers who had, you know, walked through minefields in the

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Iraq Iran War. They're true believers, their fanatics. If we

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>just said we had to do it, We're sorry, America.

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 1>We spared as many lives. They will be bankrupt, they

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>will be out of gas, they will have no friends.

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that the way to bring it down?

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<v Speaker 10>I think that's that's that's where that's the road we're

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<v Speaker 10>headed down. Yeah, and I think that that is exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and should I think Republicans ought to just stand

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>up and say we support this, we want to pass

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the Supplemental we are the party of Security and Defense,

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and go into the November elections and let the Democrats

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>be in favor of leaving this evil regime in place.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, I mean.

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<v Speaker 10>I have to admit I think part of the calculation

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<v Speaker 10>here on the administration's part is that maybe the midterms

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 10>are a lost cause anyway, So let's do what's necessary

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 10>and then we'll let the chips fall where they may.

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<v Speaker 10>If the war proceeds along the same lines that it's

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<v Speaker 10>been going up till now, I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 10>be the kind of situation where six months from now,

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 10>polls will show a large chunk of Americans saying, oh,

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 10>I was always for it.

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I agree. But do you think President Trump understands this

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>is the most important month of his presidency in history's terms.

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it is We're not going to go to

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<v Speaker 1>war with China if we can avoid it. I think

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.319
<v Speaker 1>this is the month. Do you agree with that?

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred he's going all in on changing the world.

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<v Speaker 10>I think he's very cognizant of that, and I think

0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 10>it's reflected in.

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 3>His demeanor, his behavior, the way he speaks. He is

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 3>not rattled.

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:10.839
<v Speaker 10>He's unbelievably focused, and I think I think I think

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 10>he's you know, there's a lot of discomfort with Trump's

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 10>being murky about messaging and being contradictory about messaging, and

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 10>I have to say I've grown quite comfortable with it

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 10>because I think there's a good strategic reason for doing that,

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 10>and he's using that well.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard you say that today. I just said I

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:33.719
<v Speaker 1>can't wait to talk to Ada. You're exactly right, Ed

0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.480
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<v Speaker 1>a stay tuned, America. I'll be right back talking back, America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm cue Hewitt. Early visit this week from Matt Continetti.

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Matt is the head of Domestic Policy Studies at ai

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 1>SO also calumn is for the Wall Street Journal. He

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 1>has an excellent column in Today Journal entitled I Got

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 1>to get the title right. Get to the right page here.

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Voters lose in congressional WrestleMania, and my favorite line in

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 1>it is Washington is too distracted by bitter infighting. It's

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 1>too busy imitating professional wrestling to address voters economic concerns.

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Matt You're exactly right, you expect that's going to change

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<v Speaker 1>anytime soon.

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately not you.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, we can just see what's happening on Capitol Hill,

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 11>where there seemed like there could be a deal to

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 11>open up the Department of Homeland Security and address the

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 11>pay lapses for TSA agents. But it seems like the

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:44.960
<v Speaker 11>Democrats are getting cold feet. Why because they're so fearful

0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 11>of their far left base, which despises ICE so much

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 11>that the Democrats are willing to impose costs on an

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 11>entirely different set of federal employees, the TSA agents, the Coastguard, FEMA,

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.959
<v Speaker 11>all of whom are suffering because of this shutdown, while

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 11>ICE ironically is fully funded for years thanks to the

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 11>working Family's tax cut that was passed via reconciliation last year.

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:17.720
<v Speaker 11>So this type of empty, gestural politics that we're witnessing

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:21.359
<v Speaker 11>on Capitol Hill doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon.

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:25.239
<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty damning piece. I recommend everyone go and

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.719
<v Speaker 1>read it. But I also want to talk about the

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:32.439
<v Speaker 1>world historical event that's unfolding. This war has the possibility

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 1>of taking off of the map the equal of any

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 1>evil regime on the world's map and a thorn in

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the side of free people for forty seven years. First question,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think Americans realize how evil Iran is the regime?

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I do?

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<v Speaker 5>I do.

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<v Speaker 11>I think that when you've looked at American public opinion

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 11>prior to the launch of Operation Epic Fury, Americans have

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 11>understood the Iranian regime for what it is. It's the

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 11>world's largest sponsor of terrorism. It's killed Americans, it's held

0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 11>our people hostage, it's attacked our allies, it's oppressed its

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 11>own people. Now, the public opinion currently is I think,

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 11>refracted through the lens of Donald Trump. And so when

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 11>you see these polls saying that the public may be

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 11>divided on what we're doing right now in Iran, I

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 11>think you always have to read them with the view to, well,

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 11>how does the public feel about Donald Trump? And we

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 11>know that about half the country right now won't accept

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 11>anything that Donald Trump does, even if he is addressing

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 11>a longstanding threat to American national security, like he's doing

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.280
<v Speaker 11>with our Israeli allies in Iran right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now now about twelve forty seven today, the Journal posted

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 1>an editorial by Ambassador Yusuf Alataiba from the United Arab

0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Emirates of the United States, one of the true professionals

0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 1>in diplomacy inside the Beltway. In it, he basically the

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:07.280
<v Speaker 1>subtitle says it all this war requires a conclusive outcome,

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 1>one that addresses Tehran's full range of threats. And I

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 1>recommend I read part of it to Abe Greenwald in

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the last segment. And the bottom line is finish the

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>job Donald Trump. He doesn't say it explicitly, but that's

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the message. Do you think the President has it in

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>him to finish the job? Oh?

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:28.279
<v Speaker 3>I think he has it in him.

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 11>I think that he's hearing messages like Ambassador of Taibas

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:38.320
<v Speaker 11>from other partners, including the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia NBS,

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.360
<v Speaker 11>probably other Gulf states as well. We know that's the

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 11>message he's hearing from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netan Yahoo.

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.080
<v Speaker 5>So President Trump wants to hold out.

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 11>The possibility of a diplomatic resolution, but when you actually

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 11>look at what the Americans are asking of the Iranians,

0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 11>it's nothing that the Iranians will accept because it's the

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 11>same thing that we've been offering earlier. And when you

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:07.399
<v Speaker 11>look at what the Iranians are counteroffering the Americans. It's

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 11>nothing America would accept. I mean, it's absurd, but it

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 11>would involve US recognizing Iran's sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz.

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:19.400
<v Speaker 11>It would involve US paying Iran reparations for the attack.

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 11>So I think while President Trump always holds out diplomacy

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:26.560
<v Speaker 11>is an option, he recognizes the need for force, and

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 11>he also uses diplomacy sometimes as cover for putting our

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 11>forces in place. So I think it's very interesting that

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:38.239
<v Speaker 11>the end of Trump's latest deadline for the Iranians to

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 11>agree to the diplomatic proposal will coincide with the arrival

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 11>of our marines and some of our components of the

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:49.439
<v Speaker 11>eighty second Airborne into the region. So he may just be,

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 11>like earlier, playing out the diplomatic channel while he's putting

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 11>all of his forces in place for the next stage

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 11>at the conflict.

0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 1>So how would you react, Matt Continent, Given that we

0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:04.440
<v Speaker 1>precision strike, we can blow up every bridge, we can

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 1>blow up every power plant, we can blow up every refinery,

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 1>bankrupt the regime so it cannot pay its forces. They

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:15.600
<v Speaker 1>are not promoting moderates into these positions that are vacant

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:19.840
<v Speaker 1>because of assassinations. They're pulling old IRGC people out of

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the off the retirement rolls, off the bench and their killers.

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:28.880
<v Speaker 1>So they're not gonna blink, They're not gonna change. Shouldn't

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 1>we reduce them to poverty before we throw ground trips

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 1>in there and then wait and see what happens. Well, Hugh, I.

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:40.239
<v Speaker 11>Think we need to reduce the regime to poverty. What

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 11>I think that means is we need to take a

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:46.840
<v Speaker 11>real hard look at the sources of revenue to the regime,

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 11>and that does mean their energy flows. And so that

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 11>does mean that not only do we need to get

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 11>the Strait of Harmuz open, create a channel for commercial

0:47:55.920 --> 0:48:00.959
<v Speaker 11>traffic free of Iranian threats, but we should also look

0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 11>at stopping the Iranian ghost fleet, stopping their refining capacity.

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:09.239
<v Speaker 11>I'd be reluctant to take measures that would affect the

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 11>Iranian civilian population because we're going to rely on that

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 11>civilian population to be the boots on the ground in

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:17.320
<v Speaker 11>overthrowing the regime.

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Eventually.

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 11>When I listen to the military experts like General Frank

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 11>Mackenzie or Admiral Mark Montgomery on your program, it seems

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 11>to me that the military has a war plan in place,

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 11>and one that they have been pursuing very effectively, and

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.400
<v Speaker 11>that probably has two to three more weeks left in

0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:41.319
<v Speaker 11>it before all of our military objectives are complete. I

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 11>trust General Kin, I trust Admiral Cooper, I trust our

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 11>US fighting men and women to pursue that plan, and

0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 11>I think at the end of it will have a

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 11>very good outcome, so long as we don't abandon the

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 11>effort before all of our objectives are complete.

0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, I would follow through on their target list, but

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 1>before we called it a day and sailed away with

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>a straight open and their ability to blackmail US reduced,

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:10.919
<v Speaker 1>I would darken the place because I think it would

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:14.800
<v Speaker 1>assist the Iranian people and frame themselves if the agents

0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 1>of repression don't have the internet or energy. Last word

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to you, Matt.

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 11>I agree, and I think that just points to the

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 11>fact that even when the bombs stop dropping, Hugh America

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:29.240
<v Speaker 11>will still have a role to play. The people haven't

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 11>taken to the streets yet, but when they do, they're

0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:35.239
<v Speaker 11>going to need our support. That's why Trump sent help

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 11>in the first place. So when they do go out

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:40.399
<v Speaker 11>on the streets, we need to be prepared to help

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 11>them finally overthrow this regime.

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Well said, By the way, if they do that, I

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.879
<v Speaker 1>believe that will make up a lot of ground in politics.

0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>But more importantly, from history's perspective, this is Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>big moment. Last do you agree with that, Matt. It's

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<v Speaker 1>his big moment. It's his moment.

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<v Speaker 11>Like he told the Atlantic, this is his time to

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<v Speaker 11>run the country in the world, and he's changing the

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<v Speaker 11>world in extraordinary ways. You know, it's so funny, Hugh,

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<v Speaker 11>quickly remember she Jenping said that the world was going

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<v Speaker 11>to see things that hadn't seen in one hundred years. Well,

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<v Speaker 11>he was half right, except it's Donald Trump that's making

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<v Speaker 11>those things happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said Matt Connetty follow him on exit continent. He

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<v Speaker 1>read his peaches in the Wall Street Journal and over Ady,

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<v Speaker 1>I thank you, Matt, coming right back with Congressman Fluger.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't go anywhere, America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Welcome back America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm he Hewett. I spend most of my time on

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<v Speaker 1>the war, but once in a while I sneak in

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<v Speaker 1>someone who does a little bit of policy, including Representative

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Vlueger from Texas. He's the chairman of the Republican

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<v Speaker 1>Study Committee and August. Excuse me, I say, Andy, I'm sorry, August.

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<v Speaker 1>And you gave a speech on X that I saw

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the Democrats and the shutdown of Deehat. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that issue is going to last Congressman through

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<v Speaker 1>to the fall.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I mean, my Democrat colleagues on the Homeland Committee said, well,

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<v Speaker 9>let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>Why we got here. We got here.

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<v Speaker 9>Because ICE agents were taking illegal aliens out of the country.

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<v Speaker 9>And you know, the narrative is just that they were

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<v Speaker 9>very emotional about it, and I just had to refute that.

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<v Speaker 9>I said, No, the reason we got here is because

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<v Speaker 9>we're cleaning up a mess where ten million illegal aliens

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<v Speaker 9>have come into this country under Joe Biden's presidency, which

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<v Speaker 9>was a complete disaster. And I said, not a single

0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 9>Democrat had any sympathy for Joscelyn nunger A's parents or

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<v Speaker 9>for Lake and Riley's parents, who were both tragically murdered

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.359
<v Speaker 9>by illegal aliens. That's the reason we're here. And now

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<v Speaker 9>you're unwilling, even with an open border policy that was

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<v Speaker 9>completely disastrous, you're unwilling to support TSA agents, Coast guardsmen,

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.520
<v Speaker 9>Border patrol or ICE to just do their job to

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<v Speaker 9>keep our country safe, even though we heard testimony today

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<v Speaker 9>saying the terror threat on our American airlines is still high.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's very shameful.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's try that we're in this situation.

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<v Speaker 9>And yes, I don't think that this issue is going

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<v Speaker 9>to continue to be an issue that defines the Democrats

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<v Speaker 9>of who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Republicans have taken back the party of Defense

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<v Speaker 1>and deterrence, and I think seriousness. How about a reconciliation bill,

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<v Speaker 1>a second process that funds depending on supplemental times too,

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<v Speaker 1>given whatever they want in times to, and then funds

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<v Speaker 1>DHS through the end of the Trump term so we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to deal with this insanity. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 1>are has been lots of leaper sells. I was in

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<v Speaker 1>the government a long time ago. I know there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of bad guys. How about just using reconciliation

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<v Speaker 1>to get the garment working again?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, Hugh, as you know, I chair the Republican Study

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<v Speaker 9>Committee one hundred and ninety members. We've been pushing for

0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:48.000
<v Speaker 9>reconciliation for months now, and we are certainly open to

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<v Speaker 9>a defense supplemental in DHS funding, but I think it

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<v Speaker 9>needs to be more than that. You know, Democrats have

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<v Speaker 9>obstructed passing anything. If President Trump cured cancer, they would

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:01.200
<v Speaker 9>vote against it. And that's the trage nature of where

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<v Speaker 9>we are.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have to.

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<v Speaker 9>Codify the rest of President Trump's agenda, and reconciliation is

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<v Speaker 9>the mechanism by which we can do this. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 9>we can certainly include defense supplemental and DHS funding, but

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think that can be the sole focus of this.

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<v Speaker 1>When's it get started? What frustrates me because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to lose the midterms. I don't think it's an inevitability.

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't think losing the Senate's an inevitability. But

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<v Speaker 1>you got to do something. What are we waiting for?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, you're speaking my language. This is exactly what we

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<v Speaker 9>have been pushing through the RSC.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go. We did such a good job through.

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<v Speaker 9>One big, beautiful bill of identifying so many of Joe

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<v Speaker 9>Biden's errors and the things that he caused pain and

0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 9>suffering to every American family with. But there is more

0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.719
<v Speaker 9>work to be done, you know, and our constituents want

0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:51.719
<v Speaker 9>to know that we can unify even with a one

0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.480
<v Speaker 9>seat majority. We can and we will unify. And this

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<v Speaker 9>is why we have been moving with the sense of urgency.

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<v Speaker 9>RSC with one hundred ninety members has come together and

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<v Speaker 9>so we want to do this. I know the Speaker

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<v Speaker 9>is in favor of it. Let's put the items on

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<v Speaker 9>the board that we think we can accomplish. That include

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<v Speaker 9>housing affordability, healthcare affordability, energy affordability, but now probably also

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 9>need to include national security and defense items.

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<v Speaker 1>So when does that decision get made? Congressman further, when

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<v Speaker 1>does somebody say the starting gun goes off?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I think the starting gun has gone off, and

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<v Speaker 9>there are many of us who are working on this,

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<v Speaker 9>and I know Chairman and Jody Arrington is extremely motivated

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<v Speaker 9>as the Budget Committee chair to move this. So I

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<v Speaker 9>think the starting gun has gone off, and we as

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<v Speaker 9>a conference we'll be looking at a lot of the

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<v Speaker 9>proposals and making those recommendations to Speaker Johnson asap.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So last question, how long does it take once

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<v Speaker 1>the Budget Committee gets the work, gets a budget, gets

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<v Speaker 1>it over to the Senate and they agree, and then

0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you got to go to the authorizing committees and the

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<v Speaker 1>Committee of Jurisdiction. How long until we could see that

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<v Speaker 1>get through Because if that arrived in June or July,

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<v Speaker 1>it could change the dynamic in the fall.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, certainly, and that's the goal I think you just

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<v Speaker 9>nailed it is. This has to arrive no later than

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<v Speaker 9>June July timeframe. This is a two minute drill. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>the one Big Beautiful Bill was really more of the

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:28.520
<v Speaker 9>long game, and we had some time on our side

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<v Speaker 9>to get that done by the July fourth date that

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.000
<v Speaker 9>we set last year. But this is a two minute drill.

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<v Speaker 9>It's more compact and narrow. The focus will be narrower.

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<v Speaker 9>So you know, you just nailed it. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 9>have to get this passed no later than July, and

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<v Speaker 9>it will have an impact because those policies will come

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<v Speaker 9>into play and American families will benefit from all of them,

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<v Speaker 9>and our nation will be safer and more secure as

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<v Speaker 9>a result of us continuing to work. We're not done

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<v Speaker 9>and we're going to continue to fight every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, bravo on your floor remarks, and we're floor remarks

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<v Speaker 1>behind a podium with other members, and I thought, well done,

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<v Speaker 1>August Bleuler, Thank you so much, Congressman. Keep pushing the RSC,

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<v Speaker 1>to keep pushing the leadership, to keep pushing reconciliation because

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<v Speaker 1>we need it. Don't go anywhere in America. I'm coming

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<v Speaker 1>right back on the hu Human Show. Welcome Back America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Hugh Hewitt, joined now by Josh Krashauwer, editor in

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<v Speaker 1>chief of Jewish Insider. Josh from your thirty thousand foot perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>how goes the war?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, look, it does seem like the Trump administration is

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<v Speaker 12>trying to negotiate diplomatically with Iran and through back channels.

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<v Speaker 12>Apparently it doesn't seem like Iran is receptive. From the

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<v Speaker 12>looks of this fifteen point plan that was proposed, it

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<v Speaker 12>looks like it's very similar to what was introduced to

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<v Speaker 12>the Iranians before the war, and like was the case

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<v Speaker 12>before the war, Iran has rejected it. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>I don't think I think there is some domestic political

0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 12>pressure that Trump has faced, especially when it comes to

0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:03.680
<v Speaker 12>higher gas prices. But when it comes to the military

0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:07.960
<v Speaker 12>uh landscape, Look, I think the US and Israel are

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<v Speaker 12>accomplishing things ahead of schedule and are actually achieving, as

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:13.480
<v Speaker 12>we've talked about on this show, a lot of their

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:17.840
<v Speaker 12>military objectives. The challenge though, is number one, the straight

0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 12>up wore moves and and and figuring out how to uh,

0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 12>you know, deal with that and clear clear up the shipping,

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<v Speaker 12>and that may take uh, you know, more military action

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<v Speaker 12>to do so, more more military assets, more UH personnel

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 12>in the region. So that's a big, big, big wild

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 12>card going forward. And I also think, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 12>still seeing Israel being being in the Goal Skulf States

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<v Speaker 12>as well, facing UH military or sorry ballistic missile attacks

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<v Speaker 12>day in, day out. And and the question is, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>how many how much more of the launchers and the

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<v Speaker 12>missiles does I Ran have and how long is there

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<v Speaker 12>is there is there a the stockpile gonna last for.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Josh. About three hours ago, Ambassador actually an hour

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<v Speaker 1>and a half ago, Ambassador Yusef Alan Taiba from the

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<v Speaker 1>United Arab Emirates to the United States posted published over

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<v Speaker 1>at the Wall Street Journal a column the UAE stands

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<v Speaker 1>up to Iran. This war requires a conclusive outcome, one

0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:22.880
<v Speaker 1>that addresses to Tehran's full range of threats. Points out

0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the UAE has been on the receiving end of twenty

0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and eighty missiles, drones, rockets, you name it, and they've

0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 1>had it. I think that is a sign that the

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Golf allies are going to go over from being merely

0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:38.800
<v Speaker 1>on the defensive, but to the offensive, and that the

0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:40.760
<v Speaker 1>endgame's got to be the regime's got to go.

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<v Speaker 12>What do you think, Well, yeah, not just usfl a

0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 12>little tibo who wrote that in the Wall Street Journal today,

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<v Speaker 12>but we also saw the New York Times report you

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<v Speaker 12>yesterday that the Saudis have urged Donald Trump and the

0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:01.800
<v Speaker 12>administration to continue all to continue to fight militarily to

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<v Speaker 12>get rid of the noxious regime in Iran. And then

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<v Speaker 12>and I think they are much more concerned, frankly, that

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:14.440
<v Speaker 12>that there could be some remnant left in place and

0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:17.520
<v Speaker 12>would still pose a threat, an ongoing threat to the

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:19.720
<v Speaker 12>Gulf states, their economies, and and and and their way

0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 12>of life. The the you know, I think the the

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:24.840
<v Speaker 12>Amoradi ambassador to the US, I think, in that column

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<v Speaker 12>put it put it pretty well. He said, building a

0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:29.320
<v Speaker 12>frience around the problem and wishing it goes away isn't

0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:33.400
<v Speaker 12>the answer. It simply defers the next crisis. So if anything,

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<v Speaker 12>and you know, you look at the where the UA

0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:37.480
<v Speaker 12>in Saudi was before the war and where they are now.

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<v Speaker 12>They're they're much more supportive of of the military action.

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<v Speaker 12>They're not uh eager for it to end right now.

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<v Speaker 12>They want more, more accomplishments on the battlefield, and they

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<v Speaker 12>really have actually said that they would like to see

0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:53.640
<v Speaker 12>a different regime in Iran, and so that that's a

0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:57.400
<v Speaker 12>very notable comment from two of the closest golf state

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<v Speaker 12>allies of the of the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I expect hutis are going to get involved here

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<v Speaker 1>pretty soon, and the Iranians sort of suggested that today

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<v Speaker 1>because the people that they're replacing the dead leadership with

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<v Speaker 1>are veterans of the IRGC who had basically retired, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're hard killers who are seventy years old, fought in

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<v Speaker 1>the Iran I Rock War, part of the Revolutionary Guard.

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<v Speaker 1>The original Solomani could force kind of harden those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>They're never going to change, Josh, do you think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the correct assessment. They don't know how to be normal.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean, I think that is the correct assessment.

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<v Speaker 12>And intendidly like that's what a lot of the people

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<v Speaker 12>who are a little more wary about the military operation

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<v Speaker 12>had worried about, which is that you could get rid

1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:43.920
<v Speaker 12>of some of the top leaders, as the US Israel

1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:47.600
<v Speaker 12>operation has done, but you still have layers and layers

1:00:47.640 --> 1:00:51.560
<v Speaker 12>of IERGC and besiege and other you know, you know,

1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:55.600
<v Speaker 12>parts of the regime that are have every incentive to fight,

1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:58.680
<v Speaker 12>fight till the death because otherwise, you know, they're they're

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<v Speaker 12>every every benefit they've had since the nineteen seventy nine

1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:04.440
<v Speaker 12>revolution is going to go away. So you know, this

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<v Speaker 12>is you know, you've seen mixed reported on this, but

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<v Speaker 12>you know, I think the initial notion that that you

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<v Speaker 12>could easily with air strikes degrade and get rid of

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<v Speaker 12>the regime is proving to be a little too optimistic,

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<v Speaker 12>and it's probably gonna take you know, not only longer

1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:22.600
<v Speaker 12>military action, but perhaps boots on the ground if they

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<v Speaker 12>do want to achieve those ends, which I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 12>if the US really wants to go that far, but there.

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<v Speaker 1>Are boots on the ground. Before we go to boots

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground, though, we can destroy their oil production.

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<v Speaker 1>The UAE can seize their money, so can Bahrain. The

1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:44.800
<v Speaker 1>port facilities can be destroyed, and indeed the power plant

1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:48.720
<v Speaker 1>in Tehran, bridges can be blown out. All sorts of

1:01:48.760 --> 1:01:51.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff can be done that doesn't involve boots on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>It hurts the Iranian population short term, but the regime can't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a zombie regime already. Take away their oil and

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<v Speaker 1>got nothing. Should we do that?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, I think the Trump administration has shown that they

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<v Speaker 12>are wary at least we've what we've seen in the

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<v Speaker 12>last few days of actually destroying energy facilities that could

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<v Speaker 12>actually hurt not just the people of Iran and then

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<v Speaker 12>their ability to you know, the economy that totally and

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<v Speaker 12>you know, in the economy of the regime so to speak,

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<v Speaker 12>but it could also affect the global oil market. And

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<v Speaker 12>you see that the Trump administration has been very receptive

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<v Speaker 12>and very you know, concerned about the domestic political pressures

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<v Speaker 12>back home about rising gas prices. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 12>think that was certainly an option that was that was floated.

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<v Speaker 12>But that was also when when Israel hit an energy

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<v Speaker 12>facility of about a week ago, and the US apparently

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<v Speaker 12>was supportive.

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<v Speaker 1>Of it, but.

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<v Speaker 12>They quickly backtracked when it turned out to affect the

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<v Speaker 12>world market globally. So you know, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 12>of sensitivities about the economy, and that's that's affecting the

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<v Speaker 12>strategy here against Ran.

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<v Speaker 1>There is but last word to you, at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>if the objective is to get this regime collapsed, if

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't collapsed after pages one through fourteen, don't we

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<v Speaker 1>up there. We can't leave them there? Do you agree

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<v Speaker 1>with me about that? You cannot leave them in place?

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<v Speaker 12>Look at the very least, at least in me is

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<v Speaker 12>really perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>There's they want to wipe out.

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<v Speaker 12>The missile launchers, the ballistic missiles, and I think the

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<v Speaker 12>next most important thing is getting rid of the nuclear material.

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<v Speaker 12>That may also require some special operation forces to do that.

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<v Speaker 12>So there may need to be more more you know,

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<v Speaker 12>more more assets or more you know, military personnel in

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<v Speaker 12>the in the region to handle some of the operational goals.

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<v Speaker 12>But I think you know, they've done a lot and

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<v Speaker 12>the question is what is the timeline going forward?

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<v Speaker 1>I hope they do a lot more. Josh croush Houer,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Follow them on Act Josh crash Hower. Read

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for joining with me today. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to talk to you about. But I'm sort of

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<v Speaker 1>glad we missed a couple of times earlier this week

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<v Speaker 1>because I got to hear the episode with Professor schufton today,

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<v Speaker 1>so that added to my list. Can you first tell

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<v Speaker 1>people about the Patreon community and why they want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a part of it?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, thanks you, I appreciate it very much. We have

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<v Speaker 7>a podcast that's trying to teach this region, trying to

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<v Speaker 7>teach the history of the region of Israelis and Palestinians,

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<v Speaker 7>of the big ideas that drive the Iranian regime. For example,

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<v Speaker 7>it's not just a bunch of crazy people. They're big

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<v Speaker 7>and profound and serious ideas, and they're generations old. And

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<v Speaker 7>when you really understand that, you begin to be able

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<v Speaker 7>to really understand policy better, why they respond.

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<v Speaker 5>The way they respond, why they can take.

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<v Speaker 7>Catastrophic levels of damage and still hold out. Right, that

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<v Speaker 7>was an episode I did before the war began. The

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<v Speaker 7>bombs are are not going to fellow this regime, and

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<v Speaker 7>if you understand why, you also begin to understand what

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<v Speaker 7>will fill this regime, what kinds of narratives, what kinds

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<v Speaker 7>of strategies will So that's what it's about. And the

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<v Speaker 7>Patreon community was just a way to keep the lights on,

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<v Speaker 7>you know. It's a way to pay five dollars a

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<v Speaker 7>salaries at this point. We try and have fact checkers

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<v Speaker 7>and things like that, and it turned into a real community.

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<v Speaker 7>There are forums there, people are discussing, people are sharing

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<v Speaker 7>studies they pull from all over the internet, and I

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<v Speaker 7>have learned a lot and people ask questions that then

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<v Speaker 5>So it's a new world.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>I grew up in print journalism and this is a

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<v Speaker 7>whole new world, and it's kind of wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>It is kind of wonderful, especially if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>war going on and run up to a war and

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<v Speaker 1>it will at war for two and a half years.

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<v Speaker 1>The United States has been at war for one day

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<v Speaker 1>and then now we're in day twenty six. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>begin with the big broad question, how do you assess

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<v Speaker 1>the war that began on ten to seven? How is

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<v Speaker 1>that war going? That means all of it?

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<v Speaker 7>On ten seven, Israel went to war against an idea,

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<v Speaker 7>not against a specific militia, even though that specific militia

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<v Speaker 7>is absolutely our enemy. It wants to murder my children,

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<v Speaker 7>it says so every day. You have to be a

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<v Speaker 7>very particular kind of Western ideologue not to hear it

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<v Speaker 7>when it's their fundamental idea.

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<v Speaker 5>We certainly went to war with Kamas, but.

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<v Speaker 3>We looked around them.

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<v Speaker 7>We said, wait a second, how could Kamas want this

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<v Speaker 7>war in Gonza? What is the meaning of these tunnels?

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<v Speaker 7>This the biggest tunnel system in the history of war,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, just the most comprehensive system that the only

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<v Speaker 7>the means that the only way to get to Kamas

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<v Speaker 7>is to go through Palestinian cities, is to blow up

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<v Speaker 7>entire regions in order to blow up what is, by

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<v Speaker 7>far I mean fivefold the next biggest military tunnel system.

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<v Speaker 7>It's the biggest thing Palestinians have ever built. And Hamas

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<v Speaker 7>spent Gaza's entire economy for fifteen years on building it.

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<v Speaker 7>And so this is the war, this war, this way

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<v Speaker 7>that Gaza looks, This was what Kamas planned, This was

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<v Speaker 7>what it would take to get Kamas out of those tunnels,

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<v Speaker 7>and it wasn't enough to get Ramas out of those tunnels.

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<v Speaker 5>And critiques are all all you want.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's really important to critique wars. And this

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<v Speaker 7>was a war food in an urban environment with civilian

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<v Speaker 7>dead in the many thousands, So this is not But

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<v Speaker 7>my point is a strategic tactical on how will Tramas

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<v Speaker 7>possibly want plan build a war in which the only

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<v Speaker 7>possibility for the enemy coming for you? After you commit

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<v Speaker 7>a massacre like that and announced many times since October seven,

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<v Speaker 7>then you will commit it again and again and will

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<v Speaker 7>never not commit it.

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<v Speaker 5>But the enemy is going to come for you.

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<v Speaker 7>And then you build this tunnel system. And then in

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<v Speaker 7>two and a half years of war, after building what

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<v Speaker 7>is basically the most common brandsive bomb shelter system in

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<v Speaker 7>the history of war, not letting a single gusen child

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<v Speaker 7>into it for two and a half years, what is that?

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<v Speaker 7>How do you understand these things? Assume that Kamas isn't

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<v Speaker 7>stupid or crazy. Assume that it's normative. Real thoughtful human

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<v Speaker 7>beings live in a certain world and are responding to

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<v Speaker 7>how they see the world. And it turns out that

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<v Speaker 7>the idea driving Khamas.

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<v Speaker 5>Is this particular idea.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called in Arabic the mukalama.

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<v Speaker 7>It translates into resistance in English, but that doesn't describe

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<v Speaker 7>what the word means. What the word means in Arabic

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<v Speaker 7>is something much much bigger. It's a kind of mass

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<v Speaker 7>martyrdom ideology in which Muslim thinkers, over the last century

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<v Speaker 7>and a half I've tried to explain why Islam is

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<v Speaker 7>so far behind the West. And one of the streams

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<v Speaker 7>that come out of this conversation between theologians and political

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<v Speaker 7>leaders has been this stream called the Muslim brothers, or

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<v Speaker 7>the Solophists, or the basically Jihadi radicals, however you call them.

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<v Speaker 7>Is this stream that says, we are very weak, but

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<v Speaker 7>our weakness is a kind kind of purity. The Westerners

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<v Speaker 7>are very powerful, but that makes them also arrogant. The

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<v Speaker 7>we can humble or closer to God by definition, and

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<v Speaker 7>so God will intercede on our behalf. How do we

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<v Speaker 7>get God to intercede on our behalf in the great

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<v Speaker 7>civilization of war against the arrogant, powerful West. Martyrdom, sacrifice,

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<v Speaker 7>mass martyrdom, and sacrifice that demonstrates our faith, that brings

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<v Speaker 7>God into history in intertwo intervene and allows us to

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<v Speaker 7>defeat the great powers of the West. This is the

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<v Speaker 7>animating idea behind the Iranian regime. Pomani, the founder of

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<v Speaker 7>this regime, talked about the Musta the fiend, the humble,

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<v Speaker 7>defeating the Musta Kamilian, the powerful, the arrogant, and explicitly

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<v Speaker 7>explained that martyrdom was the path that closes that gap

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<v Speaker 7>between weak and powerful. It's a way of thinking about

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<v Speaker 7>the world and instead of looking at the West as

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<v Speaker 7>a kind of successful best practice right democracies, it turns

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<v Speaker 7>out build better economies, stronger political systems, more stability. When

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<v Speaker 7>you're switching out your leader every years, you tend to

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<v Speaker 7>be a more stable political system than when you're just

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<v Speaker 7>a bunch of tyrants who inherit from each other all

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<v Speaker 7>of these best practices the West brought. Instead of that

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<v Speaker 7>being the secret to the West's power and success and

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<v Speaker 7>scientific advancement, it's a way of saying, actually, none of

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<v Speaker 7>that is true. All we're all living through a kind

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<v Speaker 7>of mystical religious situation. And if we just are willing

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<v Speaker 7>to die enough and to have our people die enough,

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<v Speaker 7>and that's how you, then we win, and that's how

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<v Speaker 7>you and the victory is a religious victory, and that's

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<v Speaker 7>how you produce a ramas that plans the destruction of

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<v Speaker 7>Gaza as its foundational strategy and force multiplier. And we

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<v Speaker 7>looked around the region and that on October eighth and

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<v Speaker 7>we said, well, that's Risbalah Krasbela is absolutely willing to

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<v Speaker 7>have leban Un destroyed in the Great War to defeat

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<v Speaker 7>the arrogant Israeli power Western power, which is how they

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<v Speaker 7>frame it, and that's Iran. Iran talks about us as

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<v Speaker 7>the little Satan, and America is the big Satan. It's

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<v Speaker 7>not that it hates America because America supports Israel. It

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<v Speaker 7>hates Israel because it sees Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>As part of America. I know there's America is the

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<v Speaker 5>thing it hates most and first.

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<v Speaker 3>And most profoundly.

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<v Speaker 5>And if people want to understand why, you.

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<v Speaker 7>Have to go to Ali Shariati.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the name to google, and.

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<v Speaker 7>You will discover a kind of Marxist theoretician who melded

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<v Speaker 7>Shia eschatology with Marxist ideas in the nineteen sixties and

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<v Speaker 7>seventies and was Folmani's great teacher on these issues. And

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<v Speaker 7>so they see us as that and they're coming for us,

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<v Speaker 7>and they're undeterrible because they believe that martyrdom is strength,

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<v Speaker 7>and if you have an enemy that is literally willing

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<v Speaker 7>to burn their own society to the ground on the

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<v Speaker 7>altar of the destruction of you, because they believe God

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<v Speaker 7>has decreed it. There's no deterrence, it's literally undeterable, and

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<v Speaker 7>there's no peace and there's no compromise.

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<v Speaker 5>You actually have to defeat this enemy, the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 1>And have to be defeated. Now, for twenty years, maybe seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been telling people they need to read Lawrence Writes

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<v Speaker 1>The Looming Tower to understand Sunni extremism and Katube and

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<v Speaker 1>the Muslim Brotherhood. After you did episode ninety three, which

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<v Speaker 1>is your two and a half hour extravaganza on resistance

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<v Speaker 1>theology on the Shia side, then you followed it up

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<v Speaker 1>with episode ninety nine, which is the one hour version.

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<v Speaker 1>I went and found a book entitled Iran's Grand Strategy

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<v Speaker 1>of Political History by Valley Nasser, who's at Johns Hopkins

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<v Speaker 1>School of Advanced International Studies in Washington, DC, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>really good, and it's sort of a slower version for

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<v Speaker 1>readers or listeners of what ninety three and ninety nine do,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was able to understand it. Are you familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with that book?

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't read it. I know of its existence. I

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<v Speaker 3>really ought to read it.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes the same point, so you do about maybe

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<v Speaker 1>in a little less judgmental, a little more academic approach,

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<v Speaker 1>but yours is more entertaining, and it made this a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more understandable when you have we have two enemies

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<v Speaker 1>Sunny fundamentalism, Wahabist extremes, a mal Kaita and the Iranian regime,

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<v Speaker 1>and they sometimes work together. And then you get a Asarkali

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<v Speaker 1>who will sometimes try and just go right after the

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<v Speaker 1>Shia throat. There is no alternative except to destroy the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian regime. That's what John Fetterman said yesterday. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>an alternative other than destroying the Iranian regime?

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<v Speaker 7>The idea has to die, it doesn't you know if

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<v Speaker 7>you can't literally destroy the regime, Because if I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 7>because for forty seven years, this regime has literally succeeded

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<v Speaker 7>at nothing, built, nothing developed, nothing driven one of the

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<v Speaker 7>wealthiest countries in the world naturally in terms of both

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<v Speaker 7>human intelligence and in terms of hydrocarbon reserves, has driven

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<v Speaker 7>its economy.

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<v Speaker 5>Into the ground.

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<v Speaker 7>So this is a regime that has done nothing but

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<v Speaker 7>destroy every part of Iranian society. That could possibly have

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<v Speaker 7>built out any kind of power center to.

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<v Speaker 3>Oppose the regime.

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<v Speaker 7>There's simply no one organized any on an Iranian society.

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<v Speaker 7>The Iranians made sure of it. Who could resist, who

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<v Speaker 7>could organize against this regime. So maybe the regime can't fall.

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<v Speaker 7>But we don't actually need the institutions to fall. What

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<v Speaker 7>we need is the idea to die, the idea that

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<v Speaker 7>says we must destroy Israel on the path to destroying

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<v Speaker 7>America in all of the arrogant West in order for

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<v Speaker 7>Islam to be redeemed. And along the way, it's okay

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<v Speaker 7>if the entire Iranian people chokes to death on our

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<v Speaker 7>tyranny and on our incompetence, that.

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<v Speaker 5>Idea, and we found some prospects of the military of.

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<v Speaker 1>The wrong, but pause for a moment. Of that idea

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<v Speaker 1>has to die. We'll come back. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>happened when the music came up. You got modeled there,

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll come back and fix that. Stay tuned in America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here Hewett. You're watching the Here Hewitt Show on

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<v Speaker 1>the Fail New Channel. Welcome back to America. My guess

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<v Speaker 1>is a vive Rettick Gore. He is the host of

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<v Speaker 1>Ask evive anything. It's also the Middle East. Corresponding for

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<v Speaker 1>the Free Press. Follow him on ex Ataviv, redig Gore

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<v Speaker 1>and join his patroon. You'll think that's the best. And

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<v Speaker 1>five dollars a month you spent Haviva before he went

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<v Speaker 1>to break. You said the idea has to die. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope it does. But in the meantime there are a

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<v Speaker 1>two front war going on. The latest battle ten seven

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<v Speaker 1>led to a battle in Gaza. There was a battle

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<v Speaker 1>in Lebanon and Hesba Lah. Now there's a battle over

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<v Speaker 1>the skies of Iran and there's a battle in southern Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you assess those two battles? Just like World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two had many fronts and many battles. Some were

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<v Speaker 1>terrible Tarawa, some were the Marianas Turkey shoot, others were

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<v Speaker 1>really risky Normandy. We've got two right now, Israel in

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<v Speaker 1>southern Lebanon, and Israel and American maybe the UAE and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Saudi Arabia joining in over the skies of Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you assess both of those battles and their

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<v Speaker 1>immediate objectives not against the idea but against the regime's power.

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<v Speaker 7>If you understand this war as a war against an

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<v Speaker 7>ideological front, it's going astonishingly well. If you want to

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<v Speaker 7>pick apart every single individual battle, it's going fairly astonishingly

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<v Speaker 7>well in military terms. I don't know about political terms.

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<v Speaker 7>Israel certainly hated among many parts of the world right now.

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<v Speaker 7>Some of that is propaganda. Some of that is that

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<v Speaker 7>there is this terrible war in Gaza, but you know,

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<v Speaker 7>there was a worst war going on in Sudan nobody

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<v Speaker 7>talked about or saw. There's a lot of discourse, a

1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:28.360
<v Speaker 7>lot of propaganda. The Israelis and the Palestinians and the

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<v Speaker 7>Iranians are symbols to a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of ideologues all over the world.

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<v Speaker 7>Israel certainly has a huge problem in terms of its

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<v Speaker 7>public persona public image on the world stage. Militarily, it

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<v Speaker 7>is a victory every step of the way. People will

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<v Speaker 7>then argue, you can't kill an idea. People will then

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<v Speaker 7>argue still there. People will argue, the Iranian regime hasn't

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<v Speaker 7>fallen yet, it can still burn things to the ground

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<v Speaker 7>on its way out. Maybe that means it can never

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<v Speaker 7>be felt because nobody's willing to literally remove twenty percent

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<v Speaker 7>of the oil supply for five years. Yeah, You could

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<v Speaker 7>argue that, sure, but that would assume that Israel is

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<v Speaker 7>thinking the way most Westerners think about this war, which

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<v Speaker 7>is to say, we have a pinpoint problem, We're going

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<v Speaker 7>to attack it with a pinpoint solution, and if it

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<v Speaker 7>isn't all finished and within two weeks and we're all

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<v Speaker 7>home drinking our eggnog, then then we've lost. That is

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<v Speaker 7>not how the Israelis are thinking about it. The Israelis

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<v Speaker 7>are thinking about this in Middle Eastern terms. The idea

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<v Speaker 7>will come for us in one form or another, no

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<v Speaker 7>matter what we do in any one arena.

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<v Speaker 5>So it has to be.

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<v Speaker 7>All the arenas, and the idea itself has to die.

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<v Speaker 7>On October eighth, I went on a podcast and I

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<v Speaker 7>was asked this question what happens now? And one of

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<v Speaker 7>my main arguments was, this is not.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be about Goza.

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<v Speaker 7>This is going to be the beginning of a war

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<v Speaker 7>that must go to Fisbella and a war that must

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<v Speaker 7>go to Iran, and it might take five years. And

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<v Speaker 7>I got some emails of people telling me, what, you're silly,

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<v Speaker 7>not even you're a warmonger, You're just that's a silly

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<v Speaker 7>thing to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Israel's not going to challenge Iran.

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<v Speaker 7>Israel's not going to take on the costs the two

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<v Speaker 7>hundred thousand missiles and rockets hitting Tel Aviv that would

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<v Speaker 7>be involved in attacking Fisbellah. And here we are two

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<v Speaker 7>and a half years later, and actually it is exactly

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<v Speaker 7>what has happened.

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<v Speaker 5>And so Israel is vastly.

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<v Speaker 7>More powerful than it was two and a half years ago.

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<v Speaker 7>Its enemies are vastly weaker than they were two and

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<v Speaker 7>a half years ago. And that has to continue, and

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<v Speaker 7>it may have to continue for years more until the

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<v Speaker 7>idea no longer makes any sense. And Hugh, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 7>to go on like this. Can I just one last

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<v Speaker 7>point about this. It's happened before, our experience of this

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<v Speaker 7>has happened before. In the nineteen fifties and sixties. Israel,

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<v Speaker 7>tiny little third world Israel that began its life rationing

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<v Speaker 7>egg powder to children because they didn't have enough food

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<v Speaker 7>to feed the children, tiny poor, impoverished Israel under a

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<v Speaker 7>British and American arms embargo, faced Arab armies united behind

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<v Speaker 7>this charismatic Nasser with brand new Soviet hardware coming at

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<v Speaker 7>them to demolish and annihilate them. And this idea of

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<v Speaker 7>pan Arabism that Naser was selling, that unified Egypt and Syria. Briefly,

1:20:57.160 --> 1:20:59.479
<v Speaker 7>that brought up Jordanians, and then the Iraqis all to

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<v Speaker 7>attack us, all it once again and again and again.

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<v Speaker 7>This idea was basically the argument that if the Arabs

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<v Speaker 7>lost in forty eight because they were disunited, if they

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<v Speaker 7>unite and remember their strength and remember their unity, the

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<v Speaker 7>Jews stand no chance. How did that pan Arabist idea die?

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<v Speaker 7>We destroyed it in tank battles in the desert. So

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<v Speaker 7>we've already been through this cycle and we have to

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<v Speaker 7>go through it again. And by the way, if we

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<v Speaker 7>can't kill this Mukawama idea, this terrorism self sacrificial mass

1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:31.920
<v Speaker 7>martyrdom terrorism ideas, it already doesn't stop in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 7>It's going to be exported everywhere because it works. It

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<v Speaker 7>had better not work, and we're going to make sure

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<v Speaker 7>it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. You already named the price, although I thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>you priced it too high. You said the world has

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<v Speaker 1>to get along without twenty percent of its oil supply

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<v Speaker 1>for five years. In fact, substitutionary effect will take place.

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<v Speaker 1>People will find alternative forms of energy. Shouty's already opened

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<v Speaker 1>up their pipeline that they haven't used for years. You

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<v Speaker 1>can build a pipeline from Saudi Arabia through Israel to

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<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean. It can. You can get the oil. It

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<v Speaker 1>takes a year and a half to get the oil.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the meantime, I think the world will produce more.

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<v Speaker 1>America can produce more, and some costs will go. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's worth it whatever it takes, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Trump might think it's worth it. Do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli Do you think UAE and Saudi Arabia have come

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<v Speaker 1>around to the fact we cannot live across the Strait

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<v Speaker 1>from this fanatical, medieval, theological, crazy regime.

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<v Speaker 7>Before you know, from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 7>Iran took out something like twenty tankers in the Persian

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<v Speaker 7>Golf and in the Tanker War, in the Irani Rock War,

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<v Speaker 7>there were four years where hundreds of tankers in the

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<v Speaker 7>Persian Golf were hit by this Ragis team.

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<v Speaker 5>This idea that every time it's in danger.

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<v Speaker 3>It shoots up the global oil supply. You want to

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<v Speaker 3>live under that shadow.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll say more than that, the energy prices can be

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<v Speaker 7>spiked at Iran's will, because it can start blowing things up.

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<v Speaker 7>That is its one strategy. By the way, has no strategy.

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<v Speaker 7>It has no air force that can fly, it has

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<v Speaker 7>no navy that can sail. All it has is the

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<v Speaker 7>ability to blow up somebody else's tankers. A more productive

1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:12.000
<v Speaker 7>society and government's tankers. That's not any word of bad

1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:14.839
<v Speaker 7>word against Persians. The Persian people are amazing. This regime

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<v Speaker 7>can only destroy and only ever has. But I'll say

1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:20.080
<v Speaker 7>another thing. Iran sits on something like the third largest

1:23:20.120 --> 1:23:23.519
<v Speaker 7>hydrocarbon reserve in the world. We keep talking about, well,

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<v Speaker 7>what will happen to the cost of energy if Iran

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<v Speaker 7>blows up tankers in the strait of promos. Why don't

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<v Speaker 7>we have this conversation about what happens to the cost

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<v Speaker 7>of energy if the Iranian oil and the Iranian gas

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<v Speaker 7>enters the global market. Actually doesn't have sanctions on It

1:23:40.160 --> 1:23:42.680
<v Speaker 7>isn't the plaything of grand empires. They're not trying to

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<v Speaker 7>constantly demolish entire nations and the police. But this unbelievably

1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:51.200
<v Speaker 7>vast oil reserve comes onto the market naturally and builds

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<v Speaker 7>up Iran and makes everybody's oil much cheaper. On the

1:23:55.240 --> 1:23:59.719
<v Speaker 7>other side of this regime lies a much, much lower

1:23:59.720 --> 1:24:03.520
<v Speaker 7>price of oil for everybody. That's also part of this conversation.

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<v Speaker 7>We can only see the bad side, there's also a

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<v Speaker 7>good side, and it's massive. So you know, you want

1:24:08.800 --> 1:24:11.600
<v Speaker 7>to live in the shadow of a bullied trying to

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<v Speaker 7>get a nuke that has already done this again and

1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:17.680
<v Speaker 7>again and again, go for it. I think that I

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<v Speaker 7>can't afford to. It's told me this won't end until

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<v Speaker 7>I'm dead. So here I am responding to somebody who

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<v Speaker 7>told me I have nothing to lose. I submit that

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<v Speaker 7>the world has vastly more to gain from this regime

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<v Speaker 7>falling than they have to lose from this regime being

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<v Speaker 7>in its death thrones.

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<v Speaker 1>After they fired whatever they had at Diego Garcia. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in Western Europe should have figured that out. When we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, I'm going to ask again the follow up,

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<v Speaker 1>does the golf get it? And in fact, if the

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<v Speaker 1>Golf gets it, can the coalition do what has to

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<v Speaker 1>be done? Because the Iranian people are done with this too.

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<v Speaker 1>They have thirty five thousand of them murdered in January,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have to think they're done with this too.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea might already be dead, but a zombie

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<v Speaker 1>regime is a zombie regime. I'll be right back with

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<v Speaker 1>Aviv ready Gore once again. You can foll him on

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<v Speaker 1>exit and Viv Ready Gore. You can join his Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>and you can read him at the Free Press where

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<v Speaker 1>he's their Middle East correspondent station. Welcome back, America. You

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<v Speaker 1>hewit with Aviv Reddy Gore. We're in week four of

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<v Speaker 1>the war, Aviv, that is the war with Iran, that

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<v Speaker 1>American's condent. We're going actually the thirtieth months of the war,

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<v Speaker 1>which began on ten to seven. Do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>world will wake up and do what has to be done?

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, you hew it, not anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's told me that think you have to destroy the

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<v Speaker 1>oil infrastructure of Iran. You have to impoverish the nation

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<v Speaker 1>and impoverish the IRGC, because they just keep pulling old

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<v Speaker 1>IRGC guys out of retirement to put him in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of a regime. When Israel United States kills them, they've

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<v Speaker 1>probably got a limited supply somewhere, but not for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, and they got to run out of hardliners.

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<v Speaker 1>You fought in the Iraq Iran war for ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five year years ago. They got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those crazy people. So do you think the world's ready

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<v Speaker 1>to do what has to be done, which is to

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<v Speaker 1>blow up their ability to sustain their regime.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean the Europeans, absolutely not. Europe has willfully made

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<v Speaker 7>itself completely dependent on Russian energy and on Persian Gulf energy,

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<v Speaker 7>something that is not true of the United States. And

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<v Speaker 7>Europe has disarmed itself of militaries and the ability to

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<v Speaker 7>project power. And Europe is now at the mercy of

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<v Speaker 7>everyone else, of the whims of various Middle Eastern powers

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<v Speaker 7>and the United States and everybody else. And so they're

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<v Speaker 7>really very nervous and very angry and very upset. We're hearing,

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<v Speaker 7>we're hearing interesting things from the Italian leadership, from the

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<v Speaker 7>German leadership, and from the Japanese leadership. Ironically, eighty years

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<v Speaker 7>ago the Axis powers and they get the great danger

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<v Speaker 7>represented by the ideology that Iran leads and isn't this

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<v Speaker 7>sole purveyor of leads in the Middle East, And they

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<v Speaker 7>don't want this war to end with the regime intact.

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<v Speaker 7>They might not have anything to contribute in terms of

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<v Speaker 7>toppling it, but they certainly are on the side of

1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:10.439
<v Speaker 7>the Gulf States. They're on the side of Israel in

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<v Speaker 7>this war, even if some of them, like the Italians,

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<v Speaker 7>don't say so. Ironically, it is the allies of Europe,

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<v Speaker 7>the French, the British, who are utterly unwilling to see

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<v Speaker 7>the actual challenge posed by these ideas and the destructiveness

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<v Speaker 7>of them to Iran and to the region and to

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<v Speaker 7>the oil infrastructure of the world and all of that.

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<v Speaker 7>So I think the world understands. I'll put it really simple.

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<v Speaker 7>If this regime survives this round of war.

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<v Speaker 3>That is okay.

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<v Speaker 5>That is okay.

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<v Speaker 7>I was asked in the twelve day war in June

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<v Speaker 7>this exact same question. You bombed them for twelve days,

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<v Speaker 7>you killed a bunch of generals, and here they are

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<v Speaker 7>still picking.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this is a long war. This is not the

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<v Speaker 5>kind of war.

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<v Speaker 7>That is exactly catered to the schedule of your TikTok

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<v Speaker 7>feed like. This is a long, serious confrontation between deep

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<v Speaker 7>ideas and ways of life and ways of thinking about

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<v Speaker 7>the world. And it will be decided in time. It

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<v Speaker 7>will be decided in investment, in will, in a test

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<v Speaker 7>of wills, and in sticking power.

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<v Speaker 5>And that remains true.

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<v Speaker 7>So we brought down this regime a few very large pegs,

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<v Speaker 7>and the world might because of the energy prices pulled back.

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<v Speaker 7>The United States might pull back. I don't ask Trump

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<v Speaker 7>to lose the midterms for me. I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 7>doing it for me. I think there are a thousand.

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<v Speaker 7>But not living under the shadow of Iran's veto of

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<v Speaker 7>shipping in the Strait of hor moves is reason enough

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<v Speaker 7>to not have this regime rule for another twenty five

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<v Speaker 7>years in that region. But nevertheless, he has given me

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<v Speaker 7>this great gift. It's a great gift to me, even

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<v Speaker 7>if it wasn't specifically meant for me, and I don't

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<v Speaker 7>have the right to ask for more.

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<v Speaker 5>But we will have another war. There's no other choice.

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<v Speaker 7>Iran will not stop fighting, will not stop demolishing nations,

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<v Speaker 7>will not stop expanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, yesterday Israel called up four hundred thousand reservists. If

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<v Speaker 1>I read my Israeli English line, which press correctly, what's

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<v Speaker 1>that mean heavy, That's that's the whole shebang. That's everybody

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<v Speaker 1>who can get called up.

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<v Speaker 7>Basically, it's uh, it's flexibility for the army. It's flexibility

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<v Speaker 7>for the army, for Lebanon, for a longer term fight

1:29:21.120 --> 1:29:24.400
<v Speaker 7>with Iran. It is Israel signaling a willingness to keep

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<v Speaker 7>going at a very strong level and to escalate. One

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<v Speaker 7>of the things that Professor Schiftan talks about is this

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<v Speaker 7>idea of escalation dominance. You face an enemy, and the

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<v Speaker 7>enemy he wants to escalate until you bow out, and

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<v Speaker 7>you want to escalate until they bow out. Well, whoever

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<v Speaker 7>can escalate farthest wins, and so the ability to project

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<v Speaker 7>the willingness to escalate is very much part of this

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<v Speaker 7>more that's that's my sense of it. Four hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 7>people were not called up. The army was given permission

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<v Speaker 7>by the political echelon to begin to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>In terms of.

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<v Speaker 3>Logistics, which is which is mostly a signal.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it does it? Do you think it signals that

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<v Speaker 1>the Lebanon south of Latani is going to be occupied

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<v Speaker 1>on a more or less permanent basis thirty seconds to

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<v Speaker 1>the break.

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<v Speaker 7>What we have heard from Israeli officials, it's a big

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<v Speaker 7>question of how much of it is rhetoric and how

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<v Speaker 7>much of it is actual policy. What we've heard from

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<v Speaker 7>Israeli officials is we have to root out Chrisbelasbela.

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<v Speaker 3>Remains a threat. We will root it out until it

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<v Speaker 3>is dead.

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<v Speaker 7>We can do this forever they claim they can, we

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<v Speaker 7>can too, and we will hold south of the Litani

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<v Speaker 7>until we have defeated them.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead of Hasbela.

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<v Speaker 7>Saying that about Israel back when Israel occupied southern Lebanon

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<v Speaker 7>for eighteen years, like America's Afghanistan experience and then Israel left,

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<v Speaker 7>now it's the opposite.

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<v Speaker 5>Chasbelah will never not.

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<v Speaker 7>Play the war against us, but we will hold that

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<v Speaker 7>territory and hurt them until they are the ones wholieve.

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<v Speaker 1>One more segment with a vive ready gourd, don't go

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Welcome back in America. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hewett. I want to thank you Vieve reddi Gore

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of time. I have a column coming

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<v Speaker 1>out tomorrow. We have an ally in Israel that is

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<v Speaker 1>really unique. We've never operated with an ally, even in

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two, at this level of interoperability and command

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<v Speaker 1>and control. So it's really an extraordinary point in military history.

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<v Speaker 1>And not many Americans know much about what the Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>think of their point of view. And I list a

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<v Speaker 1>few people and my Fox News call them tomorrow, including

1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>a viv about whom Americans ought to be aware and

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<v Speaker 1>follow so they know what our ally is doing now,

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<v Speaker 1>our allies politics matter a lot. The Khaki election. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you remember in nineteen hundred the English

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<v Speaker 1>thought they'd won the Second World War. They hadn't, but

1:31:35.640 --> 1:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>they thought they'd won. So I think Lord Salisbury called

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<v Speaker 1>a snap election won more than four hundred seats. The

1:31:41.360 --> 1:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>poor Liberal Party got smashed. They were below two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>seats because they have a really quick election in England.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can do that when you think you've won

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<v Speaker 1>a war. Can BB do that? I asked all this

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday's no, no, no, it's going to be in October.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to find out very soon?

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<v Speaker 7>It depends on a very few people, and I don't

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<v Speaker 7>like to predict what a very few people will do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's easier to.

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<v Speaker 7>Predict what one hundred million people will do. It's hard

1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:13.680
<v Speaker 7>to predict what three people will do. The Knesset has

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<v Speaker 7>to pass the budget by the end of the month,

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<v Speaker 7>and they might pass an extension and give themselves a

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<v Speaker 7>couple more weeks or something like that. But if they

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<v Speaker 7>don't complete the budget process properly and all the different things,

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<v Speaker 7>then the Kannesset is legally required to dissolve itself to

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<v Speaker 7>snap elections, which happened ninety days later, so that would

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<v Speaker 7>be July. If they do pass that budget, then the

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<v Speaker 7>elections will be at their regularly scheduled time in October.

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<v Speaker 7>What's fascinating about that is that this would be one

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<v Speaker 7>of the more hated governments or more divisive governments.

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<v Speaker 5>In the history of Israel, which.

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<v Speaker 7>Is, by the way, not unexpected after October seven. And

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<v Speaker 7>it's also a much more polarized time than it was

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<v Speaker 7>in many periods in Israel's passed. So I'm not even

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<v Speaker 7>accusing of being somehow beyond the pale of although.

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<v Speaker 5>In some of the things they're doing, I'm extremely troubled.

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<v Speaker 7>But it would be even though it's one of the

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<v Speaker 7>least liked governments, and even though it hasn't actually won

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<v Speaker 7>in any poll that I know of since it was

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<v Speaker 7>voted in in December twenty twenty two, it will be

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<v Speaker 7>the first Israeli government in history to last its full

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<v Speaker 7>term if they managed to pass a state budget.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, can they pass a state budget? I think so.

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<v Speaker 7>I think so because the ultra Orthodox are getting a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of what they want, mainly a ton of money.

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<v Speaker 7>The religious Zionist factions of the government are getting a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of what they want again, mainly a ton of money,

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<v Speaker 7>and everyone is getting enough that you know they're going

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<v Speaker 7>to stick with it. As we get closer to election day,

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<v Speaker 7>by the way, the various different right wing factions are

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<v Speaker 7>all going to need to try to cannibalize each other's

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<v Speaker 7>voters because they have some overlapping constituencies. And that's a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of the times leading up to Israeli elections, and

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<v Speaker 7>this is true of many parliamentary systems where parties that

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<v Speaker 7>are together in a coalition share many ias tend to

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<v Speaker 7>then produce all kinds of artificial crises to have something

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<v Speaker 7>to distinguish themselves to their bases as they enter the

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<v Speaker 7>election season. So it's not a big question whether the

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<v Speaker 7>election is in July or August or October, but those

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<v Speaker 7>are the kinds of structural things that we have to

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<v Speaker 7>watch for to know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the last question, and you've got three or four

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<v Speaker 1>minutes on this one, so take your time. Natanyao has

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<v Speaker 1>done a brilliant job in waging this long war. He

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<v Speaker 1>got caught off by surprise, and he was wrong about

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<v Speaker 1>a moss but he's done a great job waging this war,

1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:38.759
<v Speaker 1>and he's got President Trump working with him. We're waging

1:34:38.800 --> 1:34:41.360
<v Speaker 1>this war, and finally we've come to grips for the

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<v Speaker 1>Iran over those guys that were run Finally. I'm seventy

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<v Speaker 1>years old. I've been waiting for this for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Ron fall into chaos on the couch with

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Nixon and Zan Clementi as a writing member's staff

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine and eighty, so I

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<v Speaker 1>remember it very well. Do you think that matters to

1:34:58.640 --> 1:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the average ars Israeli or are they just as likely

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<v Speaker 1>to do what the English did in nineteen forty five

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<v Speaker 1>and throw Churchill out after he was the only man

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<v Speaker 1>who could have beaten the Nazis and dead, and nevertheless

1:35:08.240 --> 1:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>they threw him out because they were the English and

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<v Speaker 1>they were tired of him.

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<v Speaker 7>I have to tell you a lot of Israelis who

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<v Speaker 7>really appreciate it too on the war think that he

1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:26.080
<v Speaker 7>has hurt them, betrayed them, and led them in bad

1:35:26.160 --> 1:35:30.000
<v Speaker 7>directions on a host of domestic issues that have no

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<v Speaker 7>saliens or residents that really are understood outside of Israel.

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<v Speaker 7>For obvious reasons, how much does anyone else around the

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<v Speaker 7>world understand America's healthcare debate?

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<v Speaker 5>Right, but elections can be about health and unemployment and.

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<v Speaker 7>Not about the big thing that the world cares about,

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<v Speaker 7>like the Rock War twenty five years ago or whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>So the answer, as the far as the polls tell us,

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<v Speaker 7>is how does not his current coalition does not at

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<v Speaker 7>this moment have a majority, It does not have a

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<v Speaker 7>parliamentary victory, and it.

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<v Speaker 5>Hasn't any poll.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, somebody will find me one poll by right wing polster.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll take that back. I'm not saying there literally isn't one,

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<v Speaker 7>but I follow the polls very closely, and certainly none

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<v Speaker 7>of the mainstream ones over time. Does that mean that

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<v Speaker 7>the opposition has a victory. We don't see a clear path.

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<v Speaker 7>We're talking about an election between you know, sixteen parties,

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<v Speaker 7>of which eleven will make it in roughly give or take.

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<v Speaker 5>That's how it works.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's always a kind of chaos math to try

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<v Speaker 7>and figure out that path. But a lot a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of Israelis say things like, and it's now the.

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<v Speaker 3>Trigger on Iran.

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<v Speaker 5>That was terrifying, that was scary, that took guts.

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<v Speaker 7>We didn't know that Iran would not respond competently if

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<v Speaker 7>it had responded much war come.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't was, yeah, you didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 7>It could have been two thousand ballistic misses on Tel Aviv.

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<v Speaker 7>It could Tel Aviv could have been on fire. And

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<v Speaker 7>he knew the potential cost. He also knows the cost

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<v Speaker 7>of letting Iran continue to develop, letting this regime produce

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<v Speaker 7>the capabilities it wants to produce. The Chinese where literally

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<v Speaker 7>they signed in agreement a month before the war to

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<v Speaker 7>hand Iran it's supersonic missiles. You know what that would

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<v Speaker 7>have done to the strait of Hormones. An American aircraft

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<v Speaker 7>carrier could have been taken easily by an Iranian gunboat.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, we're talking about an upgrading of their capabilities

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<v Speaker 7>that we have stopped. And so Nittagnell pulled the trigger

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<v Speaker 7>and made that absolutely terrifying decision on every domestic policy

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<v Speaker 7>issue that I care about, that my kids' lives depend

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<v Speaker 7>on on this massive welfare state over in the ultra

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<v Speaker 7>Orthodox community that is larger, they get more per capita,

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<v Speaker 7>and they get incentivized not to work in a vast scale,

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<v Speaker 7>something like fifty percent of their men don't work at all,

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<v Speaker 7>and the ones who do work tend to be low

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<v Speaker 7>earners because their education system is a separate education system

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<v Speaker 7>that doesn't teach math in English after fourth grade.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, Israel is not a hydrocarbon power.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it has some natural gas reserves right now, but

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<v Speaker 7>not compared to Middle Eastern levels.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's very recent.

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<v Speaker 7>All we have built we have built with human talent.

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<v Speaker 7>We have built with the simple fact that the Israel

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<v Speaker 7>invests more in R and D than any other nation

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<v Speaker 7>on Earth per capita. It is the number one on earth.

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<v Speaker 7>Is That is what we are. That is our strength,

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<v Speaker 7>that is our power. Now, I'm a big fan of

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<v Speaker 7>religious education. I'm the son of a rabbi. I have

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<v Speaker 7>podcast episodes about holidays and diving into the Jewish religious bookshelf.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a huge fan of religion.

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<v Speaker 3>Ditto Christianity.

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<v Speaker 5>I am a big thing.

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<v Speaker 7>You've got to work that doesn't need to get them

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<v Speaker 7>not working, and movie tolate it. And if he has

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<v Speaker 7>expanded that there was a law passed this week this

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<v Speaker 7>week by this kind asset, when everybody else is hunkering

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<v Speaker 7>down in bomb shelters, when people are losing jobs because

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<v Speaker 7>businesses are closed, this kind of set passed. The law

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<v Speaker 7>that expands the powers is a redemicult course.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. Yeah, good on the war, bad on

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. Have they writing Door, I will check back

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<v Speaker 1>with you in a few weeks. I greatly appreciate your

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<v Speaker 1>time today, very illuminating as always Episode ninety nine Friends.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked to be of anything to me too,