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Speaker 1: We've talked to bottom with guests today, most talking about Iran,

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Speaker 1: but I'm starting off with Mary Katherine Ham, co host

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Speaker 1: of Getting Hammered, and there was a super duper normal

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Speaker 1: getting Hermreed today with Kelly Mayer as our guest host

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Speaker 1: as opposed to Vic Mattis. I found it very amusing,

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Speaker 1: Mary Katherine. I don't know Kelly, what's the deal on? Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Kelly is a political operative out in Colorado, So she

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Speaker 2: works in the Big Square States, formerly on getting Republicans elected,

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Speaker 2: but the party out there doing so great these days,

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Speaker 2: and that's one of the things that she comments on

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Speaker 2: and observes and tries to correct to the best of

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Speaker 2: her ability by getting normal people into the party, because

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Speaker 2: once the party goes into a spiral in a state,

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Speaker 2: it is hard to get back.

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Speaker 3: So that's what's going on out there.

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Speaker 1: But is she super duper not normal like your kids

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Speaker 1: thought of you. She's played super duper not normal.

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Speaker 2: She's I mean, we all have our ways. All my galfriends,

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Speaker 2: I would say, are a little too into politics to

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Speaker 2: be actually normal, but they But she is a normy

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Speaker 1: Not normal to get a wake off and say, I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to auctioneer school. And I've never

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Speaker 1: heard of auctioneer school.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: When I would get a week off, I would go

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Speaker 1: to like Saint John's College and read great books with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of venture capitalists, that sort of. But the

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Speaker 1: auctioneer school in Iowa in a blizzard, that's just not normal.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, We're just opening up new areas

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Speaker 2: of capitalism to understand and it's very powerful.

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Speaker 1: I have one more question before we get to the

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Speaker 1: serious stuff. You have a star spangled banner renission. You

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Speaker 1: can sing the star spangled banner.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't say it's a treat, but I

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Speaker 3: I can carry a tune.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I my request wild I.

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Speaker 2: Mostly wielded as a weapon because if there's a rowdy crowd,

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Speaker 2: I just start the anthem and then they hush, and

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Speaker 2: then I say, ah, look you here's the real singer.

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Speaker 1: I have a request, which is, when Vick is in

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Speaker 1: the house, that you get whatever kind of boombox you

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Speaker 1: need and you warm up the pipes and you let

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Speaker 1: us hear it, because you never know when you're going

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Speaker 1: to use it. We were in the middle of Yosemite,

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Speaker 1: was in the Canadian Rockies, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the fetching missus Schwett thought, you know, there might be

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Speaker 2: The bears, look, you don't want to you don't want

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Speaker 2: to surprise them, and they're very patriotic, so very patriotic.

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Speaker 2: It all works out when you use that as a tool.

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Speaker 1: All right, Let me come around to patriotism. Your assessment

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Speaker 1: of our war with Iran.

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Speaker 2: Look, to me, the media seems to be almost not

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Speaker 2: at all focusing on what looked like tactical and operational

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Speaker 2: there are risks here.

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Speaker 5: Of course, there are risks here.

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Speaker 2: There are risks in any military action, but it seems

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Speaker 1: Now we're Americans. We don't like to hurt people, we

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Speaker 1: really don't. But the way to win a war is

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think that the people of Iran have

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Speaker 3: Obviously they're sort.

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Speaker 3: Exactly what that looks like moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm afraid we won't take a kill shot because

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Speaker 1: the President doesn't want to blow up the infrastructure that

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Speaker 1: allows Iran to rebuild. We do dominate that you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: know it from the media, but we have complete air supremacy.

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Speaker 1: We can hit anything we want to hit any time

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Speaker 1: they're ruthless sobs, they're not going to be reformers.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I think it's an open question what

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Speaker 2: of a military action or how much you can employ

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Speaker 2: military supremacy in the actual operational part is not really

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Speaker 2: quite low. So I think, and of course Trump is

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Speaker 3: To some degree.

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Speaker 1: Now, what did you pay for gas last, Mary Catherine?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I could tell you, but I'm in

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Speaker 2: northern Virginia, so it's expensive.

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Speaker 1: Okay. My son is visiting California paid six and a

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Speaker 1: his way to Disneyland today, and that's not unusual. We've

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Speaker 1: been there before in California under Joe Biden, but it's

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Speaker 1: not what we've been used to for a while. I

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Speaker 1: don't think the American people will break and run on

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Speaker 1: Trump if he brings the regime down. This is a

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Speaker 1: world historical moment. It's a pivot moment. This regime has

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Speaker 1: been nothing but evil for my adult life. Do you

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Speaker 1: think we've got three months of hardship in US?

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Speaker 2: I think some people are interested in the world shifting moment.

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Speaker 3: That this is.

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Speaker 2: I think he needs to make a case for it regularly.

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Speaker 2: I think an Oval Office address on this and why

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Speaker 2: And if it looks like he is too distracted by

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Speaker 2: this and not making that case. It does run a

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Speaker 1: Now I've got audition, I feel that's worth it. I've

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Speaker 1: got August Flueger coming up. He runs a Republican Study Committee,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to make my plea to him. Please

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Speaker 1: do a reconciliation. Please put your arm around the Pentagon

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Speaker 1: supplemental double it fask for two hundred billion, given four

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Speaker 1: Fund DHS through the end of the term so that

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Speaker 1: we don't go through this ridiculous stuff at the airports anymore.

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Speaker 1: And hang any other Christmas tree ornament. But do it

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Speaker 1: in two weeks. It's not really complicated, Mary Catherine. You

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Speaker 1: can do it with fifty one votes in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: and you can do it with a majority. You can

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Speaker 1: lose Massey who won't vote for it. But what do

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Speaker 1: you think should they at least try?

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Speaker 2: Look, I do think it's probably important in the near

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Speaker 2: term to do something domestically, to say that you're doing

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Speaker 2: something and say, look, these are our priorities. We're making

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Speaker 2: sure that these people can't mess with you in the

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Speaker 2: future by pulling funding. By doing these shutdown stunts. I

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Speaker 2: think they could have been better over the last bit

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Speaker 2: about messaging that this is wholly a project of the

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Speaker 2: Democrats that are proactively attempting to do this. The media

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Speaker 2: But yeah, profering an actual solution to that through legislation

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Speaker 1: Okay, last question about Northern Virginia. They shut the schools

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Speaker 1: down in anticipation of thunderstorms that did not come. Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: in Warren, Ohio, thunderstorms meant Tuesday. What is wrong with this.

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Speaker 2: State many things, But what's wrong with a lot of

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Speaker 3: Do it at the drop of a hat. And places

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Speaker 3: that practice being open.

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Speaker 2: Are better for students and will do it even through adversity. Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, closing for the NFL Draft for three

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Speaker 2: days while that happens I mean, that's Detroit didn't do that,

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Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that. I'm going to get Selena

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Speaker 1: Zito on the case. Mary Catherine, I'm always good to

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt and no C. Rothman,

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Speaker 1: senior writer for a National Review. Iran Warhawk. I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to now use that as your lower third, Noah,

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Speaker 1: because you're like me, you're an Iran warhawk. Do you

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Speaker 1: think Donald Trump has it in him to finish the job?

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Speaker 6: I sure hope he does. I mean that is the

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Speaker 6: biggest question mark, isn't it. I kind of think that

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Speaker 6: we've been seeing over the course of this week could

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Speaker 6: be any number of things. It could be everybody has

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Speaker 6: been said, well, maybe he's just trying to manipulate a

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Speaker 6: a diplomatic off ramp, or perhaps he's sowing dissension within

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Speaker 6: the ranks in the IRGC and the clearsy. Everybody thinks

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Speaker 6: that their brothers and arms are going to sell them

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Speaker 3: Could be all of those things. It could be none

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Speaker 6: But what we're seeing in the press seems to be

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Speaker 6: an exploration of every possible downside of this war except

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Speaker 6: the prospect of stopping too soon. That's the most dangerous

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Speaker 6: of all the outcomes that are presented before us right now.

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Speaker 6: And it seems to me that the press exploring all

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Speaker 6: these outcomes leaves that one unexplored because it's the one

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Speaker 6: they want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right now. I want to make

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Speaker 1: it clear because I'll say this, if the war ends

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Speaker 1: during this broadcast, we are much better off today than

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Speaker 1: the regime is revealed. Most of the regime has been shattered,

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Speaker 1: and their military war making ability has been set back decade.

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Speaker 1: But they would more than that, if they had one.

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Speaker 3: More than that.

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Speaker 6: You Yeah, I mean, I have a twenty seven hundred

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Speaker 6: word piece on this on the website if you're interested

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Speaker 6: in my thoughts in all.

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Speaker 3: Of their luggery.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know. The President doesn't share that outlook.

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Speaker 6: People brush them off as saying a da YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 1: The IRGC is not bringing people out of the freezer.

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Speaker 6: They have to be visible, because those are the people

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Speaker 6: And we can anticipate that another conflict with the Iranian

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Speaker 6: We're going to see another one soon, and we need

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Speaker 6: the prospect. In the near term, it will be horrible

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Speaker 1: But in the last questions, who besides Noah Rothman and

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it really does depend on who you ask.

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Speaker 6: But within the Republican Party, the majority of them are

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Speaker 1: Not only yield return but that it's a world historical

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Speaker 1: no see Rothman, thank you. I'll be right back in America.

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Speaker 1: do the Democrats know that they are losing the country

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Speaker 3: No, Actually, it seems like they don't at all.

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Speaker 8: In fact, it seems like they're taking the opposite lesson

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Speaker 1: If that's the case. Why is there an effort to

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Speaker 8: Well, it's a problem for Schumer because every time that

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Speaker 8: With full government shutdowns, He's faced an enormous amount of

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Speaker 1: All right, let me go over to the others. I

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Speaker 1: I'm going to press him on reconciliation. Is it going anywhere?

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Speaker 8: It's going to be an enormous challenge. You can only

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Speaker 8: But you're right, reconciliation will be the only train leaving

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Speaker 8: I think there's fear for some of the vulnerable members.

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Speaker 8: There's talk of potentially measures that might incentivize states to

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Speaker 8: It's so popular even most Democrats support it. Why can't

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Speaker 1: Republicans just have to be willing to stand up and

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Speaker 1: say that, and Mike Lee will get mad. But Mike

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Speaker 1: is a good guy, you know. The Republicans who understand

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Speaker 1: this do not want to end the filibuster. Has anyone

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Speaker 1: made the argument yet?

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 8: I think you're right that there's not an appetite to

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Speaker 8: end the filibuster. But there could be a way that

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Speaker 8: Republicans could break out the most popular parts of the

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Speaker 8: Save Act, and I'm talking primarily about voter ID and

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Speaker 8: strip out the things like the proof of citizenship, to

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Speaker 8: register to vote, and the stuff that Democrats have really

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Speaker 8: voiced more aggressive objections over. It would be hard for

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Speaker 8: Democrats to oppose a voter ID only bill, And in fact,

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Speaker 8: Schumer has sort of hinted that, look, we're not opposed

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Speaker 8: to voter I D we know eighty percent of America

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Speaker 8: wants it. It's all that other stuff. So Republicans could

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Speaker 8: sort of strategize and not let perfect be the enemy

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Speaker 8: of the good if they really want and voter ID.

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Speaker 1: I hope they do that. I didn't realize you what said.

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Speaker 1: They should get what they can. The good must not

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Speaker 1: be the perfect, must not be the enemy. They're good.

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Speaker 1: Sarah C. Bedford on X from The Washington Examiner, good

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. Thank you, Sarah. Don't go any America.

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Speaker 1: Danny Pletka from ai AS next as we go back

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Speaker 1: to the war, Stay tuned, Welcome back in America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Hugh Ewett, Danny Pleck, Senior fellow at American Enterprise Institute,

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Speaker 1: co host with Mark Tison of What the Hell Is

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Speaker 1: Going On podcast. I saw Mark out for dinner on

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Speaker 1: Virginia Danny, and I thought Danny's probably working. Mark's out

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Speaker 1: here having drinks. That's not really fair, Danny. You ought

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Speaker 1: to tell him he needs to be working more. I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad you're here because I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: is do you think the Trump administration has it in

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Speaker 1: them to finish the job? And by that I mean

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Speaker 1: bite down. It might mean high energy prices for three months,

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Speaker 1: it might take three months to clear the straight of

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Speaker 1: horror moves, but bring this down? Do you think they've

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Speaker 1: got it?

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Speaker 3: So that's a great question.

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Speaker 4: I think that the problem is the end of the sentence.

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Speaker 4: Does the Trump administration have what it takes to fill

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Speaker 4: in the blank if it's to open this trads of formus.

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Speaker 4: I think there's no question they have what it takes.

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Speaker 4: They have a plan. I think that they are executing

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Speaker 4: on that plan. I think the President hasn't faltered. I

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Speaker 4: think he recognizes that he can not allow the Iranians

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Speaker 4: to at will close the straight. But if the question

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Speaker 4: is does he have the will to see our campaign

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Speaker 4: from the air tople the regime? I think the answer

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Speaker 4: to that increasingly is no.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that? Because I'm betting unless they

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Speaker 1: hit his fifteen points, which is effectively the dismantling of

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Speaker 1: the regime, in the way that the South Africans gave

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Speaker 1: up their nukes and the Libyans gave up their nukes.

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Speaker 1: They're not the regime anymore, Harmonias, They're corrupt dictators at

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Speaker 1: that point, Why do you think Trump will blink if

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Speaker 1: they don't deal.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's a question of blinking, Hugh. I

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Speaker 4: think it's a question of defining his end game. And increasingly,

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Speaker 4: what I hear in Washington, and frankly from the Israelis

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Speaker 4: as well, although I'm hearing a lot, is that their

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Speaker 4: aim is to create the circumstances under which the Iranian

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Speaker 4: people can reclaim their country. It is not to bomb

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Speaker 4: the regime into smithereens.

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Speaker 3: So there's nothing left.

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Speaker 4: And I will say this, if you and I think

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Speaker 4: about this, and you have a lot of experience, you know,

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Speaker 4: going back decades as well, if you think about this,

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Speaker 4: there are very few campaigns from the air that execute

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Speaker 4: a regime change, so you know, so I think those

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Speaker 4: are the big caveats right now. And that's very much

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Speaker 4: what I'm hearing, and that is what my co host

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Speaker 4: Mark Tissen is hearing as well.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think happens if the we will stipulate.

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Speaker 1: The Iranian people want to be rid of this regime

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Speaker 1: and they would fight for it if they had weapons.

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Speaker 1: What happens if Iran runs out of electricity and oil?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we really do shatter their infrastructure like

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Speaker 1: the President threatened to do and then walked it back.

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Speaker 1: Is that good for the Iranian people? It's bad, it

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Speaker 1: would be make rebuilding harder. But in the short term,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it make it easier to throw off the regime? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I couldn't agree with you more. Look, you know,

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Speaker 4: on the one hand, you want to preserve as much

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Speaker 4: as is possible in order for a successor regime to

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Speaker 4: take over. On the other hand, you need to recognize

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Speaker 4: there are forty seven years here, and as you and

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Speaker 4: I have discussed previously, this isn't a strong man government.

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Speaker 4: This is a system. This is a dictatorship. The Islamic

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Speaker 4: Republic is a giant infrastructure and it needs to be crushed.

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Speaker 4: And unfortunately there will be some baby thrown out with

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Speaker 4: the bathwater here.

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Speaker 1: Well, what worried me this week is that they began

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Speaker 1: to get old timers off the bench, people who fought

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Speaker 1: in the eighty eighty eight war IRGC retired general. They're killers,

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Speaker 1: They're not They're enjoying their lucre. They're enjoying their corruption,

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Speaker 1: but they've been brought back to kill the next wave

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Speaker 1: of that regime's not changing, Danny. Do you think there's

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Speaker 1: any chance of it changing?

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Speaker 4: Not a chance, No, absolutely not. Look, they are inextricably

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Speaker 4: tied to it. And I would add, there's so much

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Speaker 4: money at stake. Even if you discount the ideology, and

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Speaker 4: I don't discount the ideology. These people believe that they

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Speaker 4: are God's chosen leaders.

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Speaker 3: They believe that they are.

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Speaker 4: The only people who can lead in wrong. And even

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Speaker 4: if you set that aside and you think that's a

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Speaker 4: bunch of you know, think tank clap trap. They have

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Speaker 4: so much money that they've stolen and they if they

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Speaker 4: are going to hold on to that money, they need

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Speaker 4: to hold onto power.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know a Valley Naser, he's

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Speaker 1: all right, JOHNS Hopkins, and he wrote the book Iran's

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Speaker 1: Grand Strategy. When you read that or you listen to

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Speaker 1: the Ready g they're never going it's a zombie regime.

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Speaker 1: But it's pretty hard to kill a zombie. You agree

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Speaker 1: with that assessment, it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely I mean, look, you know, I watch cable

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Speaker 4: TV just like everybody else, and I know just.

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Speaker 7: How hard zombies are to kill.

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Speaker 4: And you know, of one of Iran's most loving analysts

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Speaker 4: here in Washington, somebody who really always takes the side

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Speaker 4: of the regime, said to me a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: You know, he said, the regime says that thirty percent

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Speaker 4: of the people are with them. Even if that's half true,

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Speaker 4: we are talking about millions and millions of people. This

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Speaker 4: is going to be a hard job. I think the

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Speaker 4: Iranian people can do it. I think there's a tipping point.

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Speaker 4: I think we can help push it. But I worry

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Speaker 4: that both the Israelis and the Americans are overconfident in

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Speaker 4: our ability to put the Iranians in a position from

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Speaker 4: which they can't come back.

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Speaker 5: They can always come back.

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Speaker 1: Are we too restrained? And by that I mean they

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Speaker 1: do have power plants, they do have oil production facilities.

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Speaker 1: They have command and control structures that will blinker the

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Speaker 1: entire city and throw it into darkness. They have overpasses,

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Speaker 1: they have roads and bridges. We did not spare that

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Speaker 1: with the Allies in World War Two. We didn't spare

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Speaker 1: it with Vietnam, and I'm not sure we should be

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Speaker 1: sparing it now, should we?

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Speaker 4: No, you are completely right, and there are other mistakes

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Speaker 4: we're making in terms of the assets we have. We

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Speaker 4: should absolutely be hitting everything. We should be allowing the

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Speaker 4: Israelis to hit what we're not hitting. And in addition,

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Speaker 4: only fifty percent of Iran is Persian. There are Azari's

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Speaker 4: that are Ba Loochs, there are Kurds. Everyone hates this regime.

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Speaker 4: This regime has.

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Speaker 3: Murdered absolutely everybody.

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Speaker 4: And if they're bad to the Persians, you can only

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Speaker 4: imagine what they're like to other minorities. Those people want

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Speaker 4: to stand up and revolt. Those people want to march

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Speaker 4: on towns in the north, in the south, and we

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Speaker 4: should be letting them. So far, the president has not

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Speaker 4: been willing to let them, in part because because Erduwan,

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Speaker 4: the dictator in Turkey, does not want to see the

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Speaker 4: Turks get the Kurds get any any liberty whatsoever, and

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Speaker 4: so he's talking him out of it day on day out,

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Speaker 4: and that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that, and that is why we

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Speaker 1: talked to Danny Plutka follower he Plukka at Ai and

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Speaker 1: listen to what the hell is going on with Mark Tishan. Danny,

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Speaker 1: don't let him go out and drink when you're working.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you I saw him out there at the bar.

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Speaker 1: Thanks having a good time, I mean, with work on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Danny. I'll be right back to America States

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Speaker 1: in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Welcome to the second hour

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Speaker 1: of today's program. I'm joined by Abe Greenwald. Abe is

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Speaker 1: the executive editor of Commentary magazine. He's also a frequent contributor,

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Speaker 1: almost daily contributor to the Commentary podcast. Abe. I found

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Speaker 1: today's podcast to be very interesting, especially towards the end

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Speaker 1: when you raised the possibility that maybe persuasion is no

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Speaker 1: longer possible in America. You want to expand on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sadly, I think that's true, and actually I wrote

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Speaker 3: a newsletter.

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Speaker 10: To that effect that was sent out just about half

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Speaker 10: an hour ago. I think that Donald Trump should have

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Speaker 10: laid out a lucid and convincing argument for going into

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Speaker 10: Iran when he did in the way he did. But

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Speaker 10: I think you should have done it because that's the

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Speaker 10: job description. Do I think it would have weighted some

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Speaker 10: vast number of Americans who are now doubting the war.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't.

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Speaker 10: And to whatever extent it would do so, I think

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Speaker 10: I apologize my dog is growling. So whatever extent it

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Speaker 10: would do so, it would I think that would be

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Speaker 10: very fleeting. As the media anti war coverage, Walt's war,

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Speaker 10: anti war coverage has just swallowed up what is really

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Speaker 10: an ongoing string of remarkable successes in this war.

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Speaker 3: So the effort to talk.

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Speaker 10: Down this war, to discuss it as if it's some

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Speaker 10: sort of travesty, is so overwhelming. I mean, I'm kind

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Speaker 10: of reminded of the argument that people made about Israel

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Speaker 10: post October seventh that, you know, if the Israelis just

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Speaker 10: could explain better to people why they were doing what

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Speaker 10: they were doing in response.

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Speaker 3: To October seventh, as if October seventh wasn't proof enough

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Speaker 3: taped and filmed for everyone to see, wasn't the case

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Speaker 3: enough for what the Israelis were doing?

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Speaker 10: And so similarly, if you look back on forty seven

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Speaker 10: year history of the running regime, it's provocations, it's violence,

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Speaker 10: it's killing, its weapons development, its terror supporting, and so on,

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Speaker 10: and you don't see the case for war right now,

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Speaker 10: You're not going to see.

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Speaker 1: It, you know, Hey, I am reminded of the movie

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Speaker 1: Chariots of Fire. Did you ever see it? Yes? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the sprinter is the Jewish Kid nineteen twenty Olympics

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Speaker 1: true story, and he asks a professional track coach make

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Speaker 1: me faster. He says, you can't put in what God

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Speaker 1: left out. God has left out of a lot of

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Speaker 1: Americans basic knowledge about the evil nature of the regime

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Speaker 1: in Iran. I mean, I don't think they understand it.

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Speaker 1: So it's the equal the Chinese Communist Party, and they

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Speaker 1: are the equal of Putin on his worst day. These

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Speaker 1: are the three worst regimes in the world. North Korea

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Speaker 1: would be in that rank, except they've done about as

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Speaker 1: much damage as they can do short of precipitating in

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Speaker 1: nuclear war. Do you think Americans understand how evil Iran

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Speaker 1: is and its ambitions?

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Speaker 3: No, I think they're doubtful. I think they don't quite

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Speaker 3: believe it.

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Speaker 10: I think that's also because we suffer from still Vietnam syndrome,

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Speaker 10: Iraq and Afghanistan syndrome. And then that's all complicated by

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Speaker 10: Trump derangement syndrome.

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Speaker 5: And on the left you have.

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Speaker 10: These anti colonialist idelogus who believe that any action the

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Speaker 10: US takes his prima facia a war crime, and on

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Speaker 10: the right, a lot of what used to go under

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Speaker 10: the banner of patriotism has been swallow up by nationalism,

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Speaker 10: which looks at American national interests from the most narrow

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Speaker 10: lens and would say, well, even if they are an

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Speaker 10: evil regime, what does.

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Speaker 3: That have to do with us? So I think all

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Speaker 3: told yes.

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Speaker 1: No now At twelve forty seven this afternoon East cost time,

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Speaker 1: Ambassador Yusef Alotaiba, who is the United Arab Emirates Ambassador

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Speaker 1: to the United States and really one of the most

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Speaker 1: talented people in the business inside of DC. I've had

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to have dinner with him a few times.

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Speaker 1: He worked very hard at making his country understood to

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Speaker 1: the Beltway press corps. He posted a piece over at

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal which I recommend to every listener,

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Speaker 1: and it reminds people the UAE, which is forty miles

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Speaker 1: away from Iran across the Strait of Hormos, has absorbed

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Speaker 1: two thousand, one hundred and eighty missiles projectile drones. They're

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Speaker 1: standing tall with us, and it finishes the tagline is

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Speaker 1: that this war requires a conclusive outcome, one that addresses

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Speaker 1: Tehran's full range of threats and the way that it ends.

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Speaker 1: The last three paragraphs. Iran's nuclear capabilities have been degraded,

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Speaker 1: its proxies have been weakened. More needs to be done

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Speaker 1: to remove the missile and drone threats, and we are

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Speaker 1: ready to join an international initiative to reopen the strait

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Speaker 1: and keep it open. We aren't asking the US to

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Speaker 1: carry the full burden. We are defending our people, protecting

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Speaker 1: regional stability and global prosperity, demonstrating that re alliances are

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Speaker 1: built on cooperation and contribution, not dependency. Finally, we want

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Speaker 1: Iran as a normal neighbor. It can be reclusive and

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Speaker 1: even unwelcoming, but it can't attack its neighbors, blockade international waters,

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Speaker 1: or export extremism. Building a fence around the problem and

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Speaker 1: wishing it goes away isn't the answer. It would simply

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Speaker 1: defer the next crisis. That is blunt blunt can get

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Speaker 1: that puts u AE in with US in Israel. Don't

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Speaker 1: you think it's time that Trump just resolves to finish

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Speaker 1: the job.

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Speaker 10: Sure, and I'm not I'm not certain that that he's

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Speaker 10: He doesn't feel the same way. You know, he's very

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Speaker 10: hard to read, to put it very mildly, and part

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Speaker 10: of my thinking here, my suspicion is that in his

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Speaker 10: announcing these very positive talks, suppose it talks with Iran,

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Speaker 10: is in sense some way of him demonstrating for the

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Speaker 10: world going to that he's going to get an unreasonable

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Speaker 10: response from the running regime that's going to reject diplomacy,

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Speaker 10: and that he will then have made a stronger case

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Speaker 10: for finishing the job after.

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Speaker 1: Now finishing the job. In my view, I don't think

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Speaker 1: we're going to send ground troops and in any sort

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Speaker 1: of maybe to secure this strait. I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 1: a civilian, but I do think it means taking out

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Speaker 1: their dual use power plants, taking out their oil refineries,

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Speaker 1: taking out their bridges and roads that allow command and

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Speaker 1: control the function. In other words, treating it like an

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Speaker 1: enemy in World War two, but with the precision that

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Speaker 1: can save civilian lives. Would you support that?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Sure, I would support that. I mean I would probably

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Speaker 3: go farther. I mean, I think we should retrieve fistle material.

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Speaker 3: I think that would be a wise move.

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Speaker 1: And I think.

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Speaker 10: Then there's job finishing that goes beyond what America.

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Speaker 5: May be willing to put itself on the line.

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Speaker 10: For In other words, I'd be perfectly fine if we

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Speaker 10: left under the conditions that you describe. I'm very doubtful

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Speaker 10: that there wouldn't be some ongoing operations having to do

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Speaker 10: with Israel and the Masade and their coordination with.

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Speaker 3: The run people to actually overthrow the regime.

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Speaker 1: And I also but that's if we took out the

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Speaker 1: infrastructure and we said we had to do it. The

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Speaker 1: regime is irredeemable. They're promoting by the way, they're getting

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Speaker 1: old Irgc people off the bench. They're bringing it hardened

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Speaker 1: killers who had, you know, walked through minefields in the

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Speaker 1: Iraq Iran War. They're true believers, their fanatics. If we

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Speaker 1: just said we had to do it, We're sorry, America.

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Speaker 1: We spared as many lives. They will be bankrupt, they

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Speaker 1: will be out of gas, they will have no friends.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that the way to bring it down?

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Speaker 10: I think that's that's that's where that's the road we're

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Speaker 10: headed down. Yeah, and I think that that is exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and should I think Republicans ought to just stand

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Speaker 1: up and say we support this, we want to pass

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Speaker 1: the Supplemental we are the party of Security and Defense,

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Speaker 1: and go into the November elections and let the Democrats

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Speaker 1: be in favor of leaving this evil regime in place.

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Speaker 5: Sure, I mean.

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Speaker 10: I have to admit I think part of the calculation

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Speaker 10: here on the administration's part is that maybe the midterms

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Speaker 10: are a lost cause anyway, So let's do what's necessary

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Speaker 10: and then we'll let the chips fall where they may.

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Speaker 10: If the war proceeds along the same lines that it's

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Speaker 10: been going up till now, I think it's going to

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Speaker 10: be the kind of situation where six months from now,

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Speaker 10: polls will show a large chunk of Americans saying, oh,

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Speaker 10: I was always for it.

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Speaker 1: I agree. But do you think President Trump understands this

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Speaker 1: is the most important month of his presidency in history's terms.

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Speaker 1: I think it is We're not going to go to

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Speaker 1: war with China if we can avoid it. I think

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Speaker 1: this is the month. Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: One hundred he's going all in on changing the world.

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Speaker 10: I think he's very cognizant of that, and I think

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Speaker 10: it's reflected in.

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Speaker 3: His demeanor, his behavior, the way he speaks. He is

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Speaker 3: not rattled.

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Speaker 10: He's unbelievably focused, and I think I think I think

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Speaker 10: he's you know, there's a lot of discomfort with Trump's

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Speaker 10: being murky about messaging and being contradictory about messaging, and

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Speaker 10: I have to say I've grown quite comfortable with it

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Speaker 10: because I think there's a good strategic reason for doing that,

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Speaker 10: and he's using that well.

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Speaker 1: I heard you say that today. I just said I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to Ada. You're exactly right, Ed

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Speaker 1: Greenwald follo him on exit a Greenwald. Sign up for

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Speaker 1: the newsletter at commentary dot org and listen to the

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Speaker 1: podcast every day. You'll be smarter for it. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: a stay tuned, America. I'll be right back talking back, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm cue Hewitt. Early visit this week from Matt Continetti.

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Speaker 1: Matt is the head of Domestic Policy Studies at ai

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Speaker 1: SO also calumn is for the Wall Street Journal. He

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Speaker 1: has an excellent column in Today Journal entitled I Got

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Speaker 1: to get the title right. Get to the right page here.

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Speaker 1: Voters lose in congressional WrestleMania, and my favorite line in

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Speaker 1: it is Washington is too distracted by bitter infighting. It's

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Speaker 1: too busy imitating professional wrestling to address voters economic concerns.

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Speaker 1: Matt You're exactly right, you expect that's going to change

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Speaker 1: anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately not you.

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Speaker 11: I mean, we can just see what's happening on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 11: where there seemed like there could be a deal to

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Speaker 11: open up the Department of Homeland Security and address the

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Speaker 11: pay lapses for TSA agents. But it seems like the

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Speaker 11: Democrats are getting cold feet. Why because they're so fearful

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Speaker 11: of their far left base, which despises ICE so much

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Speaker 11: that the Democrats are willing to impose costs on an

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Speaker 11: entirely different set of federal employees, the TSA agents, the Coastguard, FEMA,

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Speaker 11: all of whom are suffering because of this shutdown, while

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Speaker 11: ICE ironically is fully funded for years thanks to the

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Speaker 11: working Family's tax cut that was passed via reconciliation last year.

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Speaker 11: So this type of empty, gestural politics that we're witnessing

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Speaker 11: on Capitol Hill doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty damning piece. I recommend everyone go and

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Speaker 1: read it. But I also want to talk about the

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Speaker 1: world historical event that's unfolding. This war has the possibility

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Speaker 1: of taking off of the map the equal of any

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Speaker 1: evil regime on the world's map and a thorn in

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Speaker 1: the side of free people for forty seven years. First question,

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Speaker 1: do you think Americans realize how evil Iran is the regime?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 11: I think that when you've looked at American public opinion

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Speaker 11: prior to the launch of Operation Epic Fury, Americans have

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Speaker 11: understood the Iranian regime for what it is. It's the

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Speaker 11: world's largest sponsor of terrorism. It's killed Americans, it's held

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Speaker 11: our people hostage, it's attacked our allies, it's oppressed its

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Speaker 11: own people. Now, the public opinion currently is I think,

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Speaker 11: refracted through the lens of Donald Trump. And so when

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Speaker 11: you see these polls saying that the public may be

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Speaker 11: divided on what we're doing right now in Iran, I

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Speaker 11: think you always have to read them with the view to, well,

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Speaker 11: how does the public feel about Donald Trump? And we

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Speaker 11: know that about half the country right now won't accept

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Speaker 11: anything that Donald Trump does, even if he is addressing

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Speaker 11: a longstanding threat to American national security, like he's doing

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Speaker 11: with our Israeli allies in Iran right.

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Speaker 1: Now now about twelve forty seven today, the Journal posted

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Speaker 1: an editorial by Ambassador Yusuf Alataiba from the United Arab

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Speaker 1: Emirates of the United States, one of the true professionals

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Speaker 1: in diplomacy inside the Beltway. In it, he basically the

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Speaker 1: subtitle says it all this war requires a conclusive outcome,

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Speaker 1: one that addresses Tehran's full range of threats. And I

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Speaker 1: recommend I read part of it to Abe Greenwald in

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Speaker 1: the last segment. And the bottom line is finish the

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Speaker 1: job Donald Trump. He doesn't say it explicitly, but that's

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Speaker 1: the message. Do you think the President has it in

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Speaker 1: him to finish the job? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I think he has it in him.

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Speaker 11: I think that he's hearing messages like Ambassador of Taibas

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Speaker 11: from other partners, including the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia NBS,

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Speaker 11: probably other Gulf states as well. We know that's the

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Speaker 11: message he's hearing from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netan Yahoo.

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Speaker 5: So President Trump wants to hold out.

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Speaker 11: The possibility of a diplomatic resolution, but when you actually

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Speaker 11: look at what the Americans are asking of the Iranians,

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Speaker 11: it's nothing that the Iranians will accept because it's the

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Speaker 11: same thing that we've been offering earlier. And when you

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Speaker 11: look at what the Iranians are counteroffering the Americans. It's

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Speaker 11: nothing America would accept. I mean, it's absurd, but it

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Speaker 11: would involve US recognizing Iran's sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz.

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Speaker 11: It would involve US paying Iran reparations for the attack.

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Speaker 11: So I think while President Trump always holds out diplomacy

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Speaker 11: is an option, he recognizes the need for force, and

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Speaker 11: he also uses diplomacy sometimes as cover for putting our

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Speaker 11: forces in place. So I think it's very interesting that

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Speaker 11: the end of Trump's latest deadline for the Iranians to

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Speaker 11: agree to the diplomatic proposal will coincide with the arrival

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Speaker 11: of our marines and some of our components of the

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Speaker 11: eighty second Airborne into the region. So he may just be,

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Speaker 11: like earlier, playing out the diplomatic channel while he's putting

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Speaker 11: all of his forces in place for the next stage

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Speaker 11: at the conflict.

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Speaker 1: So how would you react, Matt Continent, Given that we

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Speaker 1: precision strike, we can blow up every bridge, we can

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Speaker 1: blow up every power plant, we can blow up every refinery,

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Speaker 1: bankrupt the regime so it cannot pay its forces. They

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Speaker 1: are not promoting moderates into these positions that are vacant

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Speaker 1: because of assassinations. They're pulling old IRGC people out of

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Speaker 1: the off the retirement rolls, off the bench and their killers.

873
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Speaker 1: So they're not gonna blink, They're not gonna change. Shouldn't

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Speaker 1: we reduce them to poverty before we throw ground trips

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Speaker 1: in there and then wait and see what happens. Well, Hugh, I.

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Speaker 11: Think we need to reduce the regime to poverty. What

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Speaker 11: I think that means is we need to take a

878
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Speaker 11: real hard look at the sources of revenue to the regime,

879
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Speaker 11: and that does mean their energy flows. And so that

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Speaker 11: does mean that not only do we need to get

881
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Speaker 11: the Strait of Harmuz open, create a channel for commercial

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Speaker 11: traffic free of Iranian threats, but we should also look

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Speaker 11: at stopping the Iranian ghost fleet, stopping their refining capacity.

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Speaker 11: I'd be reluctant to take measures that would affect the

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Speaker 11: Iranian civilian population because we're going to rely on that

886
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Speaker 11: civilian population to be the boots on the ground in

887
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Speaker 11: overthrowing the regime.

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Speaker 3: Eventually.

889
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Speaker 11: When I listen to the military experts like General Frank

890
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Speaker 11: Mackenzie or Admiral Mark Montgomery on your program, it seems

891
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Speaker 11: to me that the military has a war plan in place,

892
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Speaker 11: and one that they have been pursuing very effectively, and

893
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Speaker 11: that probably has two to three more weeks left in

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Speaker 11: it before all of our military objectives are complete. I

895
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Speaker 11: trust General Kin, I trust Admiral Cooper, I trust our

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Speaker 11: US fighting men and women to pursue that plan, and

897
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Speaker 11: I think at the end of it will have a

898
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Speaker 11: very good outcome, so long as we don't abandon the

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Speaker 11: effort before all of our objectives are complete.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would follow through on their target list, but

901
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Speaker 1: before we called it a day and sailed away with

902
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Speaker 1: a straight open and their ability to blackmail US reduced,

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Speaker 1: I would darken the place because I think it would

904
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Speaker 1: assist the Iranian people and frame themselves if the agents

905
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Speaker 1: of repression don't have the internet or energy. Last word

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Speaker 1: to you, Matt.

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Speaker 11: I agree, and I think that just points to the

908
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Speaker 11: fact that even when the bombs stop dropping, Hugh America

909
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Speaker 11: will still have a role to play. The people haven't

910
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Speaker 11: taken to the streets yet, but when they do, they're

911
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Speaker 11: going to need our support. That's why Trump sent help

912
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Speaker 11: in the first place. So when they do go out

913
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Speaker 11: on the streets, we need to be prepared to help

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Speaker 11: them finally overthrow this regime.

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Speaker 1: Well said, By the way, if they do that, I

916
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Speaker 1: believe that will make up a lot of ground in politics.

917
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Speaker 1: But more importantly, from history's perspective, this is Donald Trump's

918
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Speaker 1: big moment. Last do you agree with that, Matt. It's

919
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Speaker 1: his big moment. It's his moment.

920
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Speaker 11: Like he told the Atlantic, this is his time to

921
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Speaker 11: run the country in the world, and he's changing the

922
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Speaker 11: world in extraordinary ways. You know, it's so funny, Hugh,

923
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Speaker 11: quickly remember she Jenping said that the world was going

924
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Speaker 11: to see things that hadn't seen in one hundred years. Well,

925
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Speaker 11: he was half right, except it's Donald Trump that's making

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Speaker 11: those things happen.

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Speaker 1: Well said Matt Connetty follow him on exit continent. He

928
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Speaker 1: read his peaches in the Wall Street Journal and over Ady,

929
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Speaker 1: I thank you, Matt, coming right back with Congressman Fluger.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Welcome back America.

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Speaker 1: I'm he Hewett. I spend most of my time on

932
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Speaker 1: the war, but once in a while I sneak in

933
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Speaker 1: someone who does a little bit of policy, including Representative

934
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Speaker 1: Andy Vlueger from Texas. He's the chairman of the Republican

935
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Speaker 1: Study Committee and August. Excuse me, I say, Andy, I'm sorry, August.

936
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Speaker 1: And you gave a speech on X that I saw

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Speaker 1: talking about the Democrats and the shutdown of Deehat. Do

938
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Speaker 1: you think that issue is going to last Congressman through

939
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Speaker 1: to the fall.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, my Democrat colleagues on the Homeland Committee said, well,

941
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Speaker 9: let me tell you.

942
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Speaker 3: Why we got here. We got here.

943
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Speaker 9: Because ICE agents were taking illegal aliens out of the country.

944
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Speaker 9: And you know, the narrative is just that they were

945
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Speaker 9: very emotional about it, and I just had to refute that.

946
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Speaker 9: I said, No, the reason we got here is because

947
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Speaker 9: we're cleaning up a mess where ten million illegal aliens

948
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Speaker 9: have come into this country under Joe Biden's presidency, which

949
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Speaker 9: was a complete disaster. And I said, not a single

950
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Speaker 9: Democrat had any sympathy for Joscelyn nunger A's parents or

951
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Speaker 9: for Lake and Riley's parents, who were both tragically murdered

952
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Speaker 9: by illegal aliens. That's the reason we're here. And now

953
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Speaker 9: you're unwilling, even with an open border policy that was

954
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Speaker 9: completely disastrous, you're unwilling to support TSA agents, Coast guardsmen,

955
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Speaker 9: Border patrol or ICE to just do their job to

956
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Speaker 9: keep our country safe, even though we heard testimony today

957
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Speaker 9: saying the terror threat on our American airlines is still high.

958
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Speaker 3: So it's very shameful.

959
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Speaker 5: And it's try that we're in this situation.

960
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Speaker 9: And yes, I don't think that this issue is going

961
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Speaker 9: to continue to be an issue that defines the Democrats

962
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Speaker 9: of who they are.

963
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Speaker 1: I think Republicans have taken back the party of Defense

964
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Speaker 1: and deterrence, and I think seriousness. How about a reconciliation bill,

965
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Speaker 1: a second process that funds depending on supplemental times too,

966
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Speaker 1: given whatever they want in times to, and then funds

967
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Speaker 1: DHS through the end of the Trump term so we

968
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Speaker 1: don't have to deal with this insanity. I mean, there

969
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Speaker 1: are has been lots of leaper sells. I was in

970
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Speaker 1: the government a long time ago. I know there are

971
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Speaker 1: a lot of bad guys. How about just using reconciliation

972
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Speaker 1: to get the garment working again?

973
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Speaker 9: Well, Hugh, as you know, I chair the Republican Study

974
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Speaker 9: Committee one hundred and ninety members. We've been pushing for

975
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Speaker 9: reconciliation for months now, and we are certainly open to

976
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Speaker 9: a defense supplemental in DHS funding, but I think it

977
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Speaker 9: needs to be more than that. You know, Democrats have

978
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Speaker 9: obstructed passing anything. If President Trump cured cancer, they would

979
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 9: vote against it. And that's the trage nature of where

980
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Speaker 9: we are.

981
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Speaker 3: So we have to.

982
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Speaker 9: Codify the rest of President Trump's agenda, and reconciliation is

983
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 9: the mechanism by which we can do this. So, yes,

984
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Speaker 9: we can certainly include defense supplemental and DHS funding, but

985
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Speaker 9: I don't think that can be the sole focus of this.

986
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Speaker 1: When's it get started? What frustrates me because I don't

987
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: want to lose the midterms. I don't think it's an inevitability.

988
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Speaker 1: I certainly don't think losing the Senate's an inevitability. But

989
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: you got to do something. What are we waiting for?

990
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Speaker 9: Well, you're speaking my language. This is exactly what we

991
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 9: have been pushing through the RSC.

992
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: Let's go. We did such a good job through.

993
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 9: One big, beautiful bill of identifying so many of Joe

994
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Speaker 9: Biden's errors and the things that he caused pain and

995
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Speaker 9: suffering to every American family with. But there is more

996
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Speaker 9: work to be done, you know, and our constituents want

997
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Speaker 9: to know that we can unify even with a one

998
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Speaker 9: seat majority. We can and we will unify. And this

999
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Speaker 9: is why we have been moving with the sense of urgency.

1000
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Speaker 9: RSC with one hundred ninety members has come together and

1001
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Speaker 9: so we want to do this. I know the Speaker

1002
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Speaker 9: is in favor of it. Let's put the items on

1003
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Speaker 9: the board that we think we can accomplish. That include

1004
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 9: housing affordability, healthcare affordability, energy affordability, but now probably also

1005
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 9: need to include national security and defense items.

1006
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: So when does that decision get made? Congressman further, when

1007
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,959
Speaker 1: does somebody say the starting gun goes off?

1008
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Speaker 9: Well, I think the starting gun has gone off, and

1009
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Speaker 9: there are many of us who are working on this,

1010
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Speaker 9: and I know Chairman and Jody Arrington is extremely motivated

1011
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 9: as the Budget Committee chair to move this. So I

1012
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Speaker 9: think the starting gun has gone off, and we as

1013
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Speaker 9: a conference we'll be looking at a lot of the

1014
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Speaker 9: proposals and making those recommendations to Speaker Johnson asap.

1015
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Speaker 1: Okay, So last question, how long does it take once

1016
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Speaker 1: the Budget Committee gets the work, gets a budget, gets

1017
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Speaker 1: it over to the Senate and they agree, and then

1018
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Speaker 1: you got to go to the authorizing committees and the

1019
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: Committee of Jurisdiction. How long until we could see that

1020
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: get through Because if that arrived in June or July,

1021
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Speaker 1: it could change the dynamic in the fall.

1022
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Speaker 9: Well, certainly, and that's the goal I think you just

1023
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 9: nailed it is. This has to arrive no later than

1024
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Speaker 9: June July timeframe. This is a two minute drill. You know,

1025
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 9: the one Big Beautiful Bill was really more of the

1026
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Speaker 9: long game, and we had some time on our side

1027
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Speaker 9: to get that done by the July fourth date that

1028
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Speaker 9: we set last year. But this is a two minute drill.

1029
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Speaker 9: It's more compact and narrow. The focus will be narrower.

1030
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Speaker 9: So you know, you just nailed it. I mean, we

1031
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Speaker 9: have to get this passed no later than July, and

1032
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Speaker 9: it will have an impact because those policies will come

1033
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Speaker 9: into play and American families will benefit from all of them,

1034
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 9: and our nation will be safer and more secure as

1035
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Speaker 9: a result of us continuing to work. We're not done

1036
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Speaker 9: and we're going to continue to fight every single day.

1037
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Speaker 1: Well, bravo on your floor remarks, and we're floor remarks

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Speaker 1: behind a podium with other members, and I thought, well done,

1039
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Speaker 1: August Bleuler, Thank you so much, Congressman. Keep pushing the RSC,

1040
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: to keep pushing the leadership, to keep pushing reconciliation because

1041
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: we need it. Don't go anywhere in America. I'm coming

1042
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: right back on the hu Human Show. Welcome Back America.

1043
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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt, joined now by Josh Krashauwer, editor in

1044
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Speaker 1: chief of Jewish Insider. Josh from your thirty thousand foot perspective,

1045
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Speaker 1: how goes the war?

1046
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 12: Well, look, it does seem like the Trump administration is

1047
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Speaker 12: trying to negotiate diplomatically with Iran and through back channels.

1048
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Speaker 12: Apparently it doesn't seem like Iran is receptive. From the

1049
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Speaker 12: looks of this fifteen point plan that was proposed, it

1050
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Speaker 12: looks like it's very similar to what was introduced to

1051
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Speaker 12: the Iranians before the war, and like was the case

1052
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Speaker 12: before the war, Iran has rejected it. So, you know,

1053
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Speaker 12: I don't think I think there is some domestic political

1054
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 12: pressure that Trump has faced, especially when it comes to

1055
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 12: higher gas prices. But when it comes to the military

1056
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 12: uh landscape, Look, I think the US and Israel are

1057
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Speaker 12: accomplishing things ahead of schedule and are actually achieving, as

1058
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Speaker 12: we've talked about on this show, a lot of their

1059
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Speaker 12: military objectives. The challenge though, is number one, the straight

1060
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 12: up wore moves and and and figuring out how to uh,

1061
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Speaker 12: you know, deal with that and clear clear up the shipping,

1062
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Speaker 12: and that may take uh, you know, more military action

1063
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Speaker 12: to do so, more more military assets, more UH personnel

1064
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Speaker 12: in the region. So that's a big, big, big wild

1065
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Speaker 12: card going forward. And I also think, you know, we're

1066
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Speaker 12: still seeing Israel being being in the Goal Skulf States

1067
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Speaker 12: as well, facing UH military or sorry ballistic missile attacks

1068
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Speaker 12: day in, day out. And and the question is, you know,

1069
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Speaker 12: how many how much more of the launchers and the

1070
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Speaker 12: missiles does I Ran have and how long is there

1071
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Speaker 12: is there is there a the stockpile gonna last for.

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Speaker 1: Now, Josh. About three hours ago, Ambassador actually an hour

1073
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Speaker 1: and a half ago, Ambassador Yusef Alan Taiba from the

1074
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Speaker 1: United Arab Emirates to the United States posted published over

1075
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Speaker 1: at the Wall Street Journal a column the UAE stands

1076
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Speaker 1: up to Iran. This war requires a conclusive outcome, one

1077
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Speaker 1: that addresses to Tehran's full range of threats. Points out

1078
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Speaker 1: the UAE has been on the receiving end of twenty

1079
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Speaker 1: and eighty missiles, drones, rockets, you name it, and they've

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Speaker 1: had it. I think that is a sign that the

1081
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Speaker 1: Golf allies are going to go over from being merely

1082
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: on the defensive, but to the offensive, and that the

1083
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Speaker 1: endgame's got to be the regime's got to go.

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Speaker 12: What do you think, Well, yeah, not just usfl a

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Speaker 12: little tibo who wrote that in the Wall Street Journal today,

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Speaker 12: but we also saw the New York Times report you

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Speaker 12: yesterday that the Saudis have urged Donald Trump and the

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Speaker 12: administration to continue all to continue to fight militarily to

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Speaker 12: get rid of the noxious regime in Iran. And then

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Speaker 12: and I think they are much more concerned, frankly, that

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Speaker 12: that there could be some remnant left in place and

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Speaker 12: would still pose a threat, an ongoing threat to the

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Speaker 12: Gulf states, their economies, and and and and their way

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Speaker 12: of life. The the you know, I think the the

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Speaker 12: Amoradi ambassador to the US, I think, in that column

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Speaker 12: put it put it pretty well. He said, building a

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Speaker 12: frience around the problem and wishing it goes away isn't

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Speaker 12: the answer. It simply defers the next crisis. So if anything,

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Speaker 12: and you know, you look at the where the UA

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Speaker 12: in Saudi was before the war and where they are now.

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Speaker 12: They're they're much more supportive of of the military action.

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Speaker 12: They're not uh eager for it to end right now.

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Speaker 12: They want more, more accomplishments on the battlefield, and they

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Speaker 12: really have actually said that they would like to see

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Speaker 12: a different regime in Iran, and so that that's a

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Speaker 12: very notable comment from two of the closest golf state

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Speaker 1: Now, I expect hutis are going to get involved here

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Speaker 1: pretty soon, and the Iranians sort of suggested that today

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Speaker 1: because the people that they're replacing the dead leadership with

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Speaker 1: are veterans of the IRGC who had basically retired, but

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Speaker 1: they're hard killers who are seventy years old, fought in

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Speaker 1: the Iran I Rock War, part of the Revolutionary Guard.

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Speaker 1: The original Solomani could force kind of harden those guys.

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Speaker 1: They're never going to change, Josh, do you think that's

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Speaker 1: the correct assessment. They don't know how to be normal.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think that is the correct assessment.

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Speaker 12: And intendidly like that's what a lot of the people

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Speaker 12: who are a little more wary about the military operation

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Speaker 12: had worried about, which is that you could get rid

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Speaker 12: of some of the top leaders, as the US Israel

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Speaker 12: operation has done, but you still have layers and layers

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Speaker 12: of IERGC and besiege and other you know, you know,

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Speaker 12: parts of the regime that are have every incentive to fight,

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Speaker 12: fight till the death because otherwise, you know, they're they're

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Speaker 12: every every benefit they've had since the nineteen seventy nine

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Speaker 12: revolution is going to go away. So you know, this

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Speaker 12: is you know, you've seen mixed reported on this, but

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Speaker 12: you know, I think the initial notion that that you

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Speaker 12: the regime is proving to be a little too optimistic,

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Speaker 12: and it's probably gonna take you know, not only longer

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Speaker 12: military action, but perhaps boots on the ground if they

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Speaker 12: do want to achieve those ends, which I'm not sure

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Speaker 12: if the US really wants to go that far, but there.

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Speaker 1: Are boots on the ground. Before we go to boots

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Speaker 1: on the ground, though, we can destroy their oil production.

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Speaker 1: The UAE can seize their money, so can Bahrain. The

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Speaker 1: port facilities can be destroyed, and indeed the power plant

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Speaker 1: in Tehran, bridges can be blown out. All sorts of

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Speaker 1: stuff can be done that doesn't involve boots on the air.

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Speaker 1: It hurts the Iranian population short term, but the regime can't.

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Speaker 1: It's a zombie regime already. Take away their oil and

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Speaker 1: got nothing. Should we do that?

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Speaker 12: Well, I think the Trump administration has shown that they

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Speaker 12: are wary at least we've what we've seen in the

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Speaker 12: last few days of actually destroying energy facilities that could

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Speaker 12: actually hurt not just the people of Iran and then

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Speaker 12: their ability to you know, the economy that totally and

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Speaker 12: you know, in the economy of the regime so to speak,

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Speaker 12: but it could also affect the global oil market. And

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Speaker 12: you see that the Trump administration has been very receptive

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Speaker 12: and very you know, concerned about the domestic political pressures

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Speaker 12: back home about rising gas prices. So you know, I

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Speaker 12: think that was certainly an option that was that was floated.

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Speaker 12: But that was also when when Israel hit an energy

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Speaker 1: Of it, but.

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Speaker 12: They quickly backtracked when it turned out to affect the

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Speaker 12: world market globally. So you know, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: There is but last word to you, at some point,

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Speaker 1: if the objective is to get this regime collapsed, if

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Speaker 1: they haven't collapsed after pages one through fourteen, don't we

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Speaker 1: up there. We can't leave them there? Do you agree

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Speaker 1: with me about that? You cannot leave them in place?

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Speaker 12: Look at the very least, at least in me is

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Speaker 1: There's they want to wipe out.

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Speaker 12: The missile launchers, the ballistic missiles, and I think the

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Speaker 12: next most important thing is getting rid of the nuclear material.

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Speaker 12: That may also require some special operation forces to do that.

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Speaker 12: So there may need to be more more you know,

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Speaker 12: more more assets or more you know, military personnel in

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Speaker 12: the in the region to handle some of the operational goals.

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Speaker 12: But I think you know, they've done a lot and

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Speaker 12: the question is what is the timeline going forward?

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Speaker 1: I hope they do a lot more. Josh croush Houer,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining with me today. I got a

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Speaker 1: because I got to hear the episode with Professor schufton today,

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Speaker 1: so that added to my list. Can you first tell

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Speaker 1: be a part of it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks you, I appreciate it very much. We have

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Speaker 7: a podcast that's trying to teach this region, trying to

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Speaker 7: teach the history of the region of Israelis and Palestinians,

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Speaker 7: of the big ideas that drive the Iranian regime. For example,

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Speaker 7: it's not just a bunch of crazy people. They're big

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Speaker 7: and profound and serious ideas, and they're generations old. And

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Speaker 7: when you really understand that, you begin to be able

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Speaker 7: to really understand policy better, why they respond.

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Speaker 5: The way they respond, why they can take.

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Speaker 7: Catastrophic levels of damage and still hold out. Right, that

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Speaker 7: was an episode I did before the war began. The

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Speaker 7: bombs are are not going to fellow this regime, and

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Speaker 7: if you understand why, you also begin to understand what

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Speaker 7: will fill this regime, what kinds of narratives, what kinds

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Speaker 7: of strategies will So that's what it's about. And the

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Speaker 7: Patreon community was just a way to keep the lights on,

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Speaker 7: and things like that, and it turned into a real community.

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Speaker 7: There are forums there, people are discussing, people are sharing

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Speaker 7: studies they pull from all over the internet, and I

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Speaker 5: So it's a new world.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 7: I grew up in print journalism and this is a

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Speaker 7: whole new world, and it's kind of wonderful.

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Speaker 1: It is kind of wonderful, especially if you have a

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Speaker 1: it will at war for two and a half years.

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Speaker 1: The United States has been at war for one day

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Speaker 1: and then now we're in day twenty six. Let me

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Speaker 1: begin with the big broad question, how do you assess

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Speaker 1: the war that began on ten to seven? How is

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Speaker 1: that war going? That means all of it?

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Speaker 7: On ten seven, Israel went to war against an idea,

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Speaker 7: not against a specific militia, even though that specific militia

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Speaker 7: is absolutely our enemy. It wants to murder my children,

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Speaker 7: it says so every day. You have to be a

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Speaker 7: very particular kind of Western ideologue not to hear it

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Speaker 7: when it's their fundamental idea.

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Speaker 5: We certainly went to war with Kamas, but.

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Speaker 3: We looked around them.

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Speaker 7: We said, wait a second, how could Kamas want this

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Speaker 7: war in Gonza? What is the meaning of these tunnels?

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Speaker 7: This the biggest tunnel system in the history of war,

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Speaker 7: I mean, just the most comprehensive system that the only

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Speaker 7: the means that the only way to get to Kamas

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Speaker 7: is to go through Palestinian cities, is to blow up

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Speaker 7: entire regions in order to blow up what is, by

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Speaker 7: far I mean fivefold the next biggest military tunnel system.

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Speaker 7: It's the biggest thing Palestinians have ever built. And Hamas

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Speaker 7: spent Gaza's entire economy for fifteen years on building it.

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Speaker 7: And so this is the war, this war, this way

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Speaker 7: that Gaza looks, This was what Kamas planned, This was

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Speaker 7: what it would take to get Kamas out of those tunnels,

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Speaker 7: and it wasn't enough to get Ramas out of those tunnels.

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Speaker 5: And critiques are all all you want.

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Speaker 7: I think it's really important to critique wars. And this

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Speaker 7: dead in the many thousands, So this is not But

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Speaker 7: my point is a strategic tactical on how will Tramas

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Speaker 7: possibly want plan build a war in which the only

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Speaker 7: possibility for the enemy coming for you? After you commit

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Speaker 7: a massacre like that and announced many times since October seven,

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Speaker 7: then you will commit it again and again and will

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Speaker 7: never not commit it.

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Speaker 5: But the enemy is going to come for you.

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Speaker 7: And then you build this tunnel system. And then in

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Speaker 7: two and a half years of war, after building what

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Speaker 7: is basically the most common brandsive bomb shelter system in

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Speaker 7: the history of war, not letting a single gusen child

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Speaker 7: into it for two and a half years, what is that?

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Speaker 7: How do you understand these things? Assume that Kamas isn't

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Speaker 7: stupid or crazy. Assume that it's normative. Real thoughtful human

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01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 7: beings live in a certain world and are responding to

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01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 7: how they see the world. And it turns out that

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Speaker 7: the idea driving Khamas.

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Speaker 5: Is this particular idea.

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Speaker 3: It's called in Arabic the mukalama.

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Speaker 7: It translates into resistance in English, but that doesn't describe

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Speaker 7: what the word means. What the word means in Arabic

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Speaker 7: is something much much bigger. It's a kind of mass

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Speaker 7: martyrdom ideology in which Muslim thinkers, over the last century

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Speaker 7: and a half I've tried to explain why Islam is

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Speaker 7: so far behind the West. And one of the streams

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Speaker 7: that come out of this conversation between theologians and political

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01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 7: leaders has been this stream called the Muslim brothers, or

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,919
Speaker 7: the Solophists, or the basically Jihadi radicals, however you call them.

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Speaker 7: Is this stream that says, we are very weak, but

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Speaker 7: our weakness is a kind kind of purity. The Westerners

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01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 7: are very powerful, but that makes them also arrogant. The

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Speaker 7: we can humble or closer to God by definition, and

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Speaker 7: so God will intercede on our behalf. How do we

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Speaker 7: get God to intercede on our behalf in the great

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 7: civilization of war against the arrogant, powerful West. Martyrdom, sacrifice,

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Speaker 7: mass martyrdom, and sacrifice that demonstrates our faith, that brings

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01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 7: God into history in intertwo intervene and allows us to

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Speaker 7: defeat the great powers of the West. This is the

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01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 7: animating idea behind the Iranian regime. Pomani, the founder of

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01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 7: this regime, talked about the Musta the fiend, the humble,

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,440
Speaker 7: defeating the Musta Kamilian, the powerful, the arrogant, and explicitly

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01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 7: explained that martyrdom was the path that closes that gap

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01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 7: between weak and powerful. It's a way of thinking about

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Speaker 7: the world and instead of looking at the West as

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01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 7: a kind of successful best practice right democracies, it turns

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01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 7: out build better economies, stronger political systems, more stability. When

1343
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 7: you're switching out your leader every years, you tend to

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01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 7: be a more stable political system than when you're just

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01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 7: a bunch of tyrants who inherit from each other all

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 7: of these best practices the West brought. Instead of that

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01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 7: being the secret to the West's power and success and

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 7: scientific advancement, it's a way of saying, actually, none of

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Speaker 7: that is true. All we're all living through a kind

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01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 7: of mystical religious situation. And if we just are willing

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01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 7: to die enough and to have our people die enough,

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01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 7: and that's how you, then we win, and that's how

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01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 7: you and the victory is a religious victory, and that's

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01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 7: how you produce a ramas that plans the destruction of

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Speaker 7: Gaza as its foundational strategy and force multiplier. And we

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Speaker 7: looked around the region and that on October eighth and

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01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 7: we said, well, that's Risbalah Krasbela is absolutely willing to

1358
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 7: have leban Un destroyed in the Great War to defeat

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01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 7: the arrogant Israeli power Western power, which is how they

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01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 7: frame it, and that's Iran. Iran talks about us as

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Speaker 7: the little Satan, and America is the big Satan. It's

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 7: not that it hates America because America supports Israel. It

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Speaker 7: hates Israel because it sees Israel.

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Speaker 5: As part of America. I know there's America is the

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01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 5: thing it hates most and first.

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Speaker 3: And most profoundly.

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Speaker 5: And if people want to understand why, you.

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01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 7: Have to go to Ali Shariati.

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01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 5: That's the name to google, and.

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Speaker 7: You will discover a kind of Marxist theoretician who melded

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Speaker 7: Shia eschatology with Marxist ideas in the nineteen sixties and

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01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 7: seventies and was Folmani's great teacher on these issues. And

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01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 7: so they see us as that and they're coming for us,

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01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 7: and they're undeterrible because they believe that martyrdom is strength,

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01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 7: and if you have an enemy that is literally willing

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 7: to burn their own society to the ground on the

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01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 7: altar of the destruction of you, because they believe God

1378
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 7: has decreed it. There's no deterrence, it's literally undeterable, and

1379
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 7: there's no peace and there's no compromise.

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Speaker 5: You actually have to defeat this enemy, the Nazis.

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Speaker 1: And have to be defeated. Now, for twenty years, maybe seventeen,

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Speaker 1: I've been telling people they need to read Lawrence Writes

1383
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: The Looming Tower to understand Sunni extremism and Katube and

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Speaker 1: the Muslim Brotherhood. After you did episode ninety three, which

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01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: is your two and a half hour extravaganza on resistance

1386
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Speaker 1: theology on the Shia side, then you followed it up

1387
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Speaker 1: with episode ninety nine, which is the one hour version.

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Speaker 1: I went and found a book entitled Iran's Grand Strategy

1389
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: of Political History by Valley Nasser, who's at Johns Hopkins

1390
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: School of Advanced International Studies in Washington, DC, and it's

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01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: really good, and it's sort of a slower version for

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01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: readers or listeners of what ninety three and ninety nine do,

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01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: but I was able to understand it. Are you familiar

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01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:38,799
Speaker 1: with that book?

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01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 3: I haven't read it. I know of its existence. I

1396
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 3: really ought to read it.

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Speaker 1: It makes the same point, so you do about maybe

1398
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: in a little less judgmental, a little more academic approach,

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01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: but yours is more entertaining, and it made this a

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01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: lot more understandable when you have we have two enemies

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01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: Sunny fundamentalism, Wahabist extremes, a mal Kaita and the Iranian regime,

1402
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: and they sometimes work together. And then you get a Asarkali

1403
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 1: who will sometimes try and just go right after the

1404
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: Shia throat. There is no alternative except to destroy the

1405
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: Iranian regime. That's what John Fetterman said yesterday. Is there

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01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: an alternative other than destroying the Iranian regime?

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01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 7: The idea has to die, it doesn't you know if

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 7: you can't literally destroy the regime, Because if I'm saying,

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 7: because for forty seven years, this regime has literally succeeded

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01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 7: at nothing, built, nothing developed, nothing driven one of the

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01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 7: wealthiest countries in the world naturally in terms of both

1412
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 7: human intelligence and in terms of hydrocarbon reserves, has driven

1413
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 7: its economy.

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Speaker 5: Into the ground.

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01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 7: So this is a regime that has done nothing but

1416
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 7: destroy every part of Iranian society. That could possibly have

1417
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 7: built out any kind of power center to.

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Speaker 3: Oppose the regime.

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Speaker 7: There's simply no one organized any on an Iranian society.

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Speaker 7: The Iranians made sure of it. Who could resist, who

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01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 7: could organize against this regime. So maybe the regime can't fall.

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01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 7: But we don't actually need the institutions to fall. What

1423
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 7: we need is the idea to die, the idea that

1424
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 7: says we must destroy Israel on the path to destroying

1425
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 7: America in all of the arrogant West in order for

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01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 7: Islam to be redeemed. And along the way, it's okay

1427
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 7: if the entire Iranian people chokes to death on our

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 7: tyranny and on our incompetence, that.

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Speaker 5: Idea, and we found some prospects of the military of.

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Speaker 1: The wrong, but pause for a moment. Of that idea

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01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: has to die. We'll come back. I don't know what

1432
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: happened when the music came up. You got modeled there,

1433
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: But we'll come back and fix that. Stay tuned in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm here Hewett. You're watching the Here Hewitt Show on

1435
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: the Fail New Channel. Welcome back to America. My guess

1436
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: is a vive Rettick Gore. He is the host of

1437
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: Ask evive anything. It's also the Middle East. Corresponding for

1438
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: the Free Press. Follow him on ex Ataviv, redig Gore

1439
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: and join his patroon. You'll think that's the best. And

1440
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: five dollars a month you spent Haviva before he went

1441
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: to break. You said the idea has to die. I

1442
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: hope it does. But in the meantime there are a

1443
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: two front war going on. The latest battle ten seven

1444
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,799
Speaker 1: led to a battle in Gaza. There was a battle

1445
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: in Lebanon and Hesba Lah. Now there's a battle over

1446
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: the skies of Iran and there's a battle in southern Lebanon.

1447
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: How do you assess those two battles? Just like World

1448
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: War Two had many fronts and many battles. Some were

1449
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: terrible Tarawa, some were the Marianas Turkey shoot, others were

1450
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: really risky Normandy. We've got two right now, Israel in

1451
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 1: southern Lebanon, and Israel and American maybe the UAE and

1452
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: maybe Saudi Arabia joining in over the skies of Iran.

1453
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: How do you assess both of those battles and their

1454
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: immediate objectives not against the idea but against the regime's power.

1455
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 7: If you understand this war as a war against an

1456
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 7: ideological front, it's going astonishingly well. If you want to

1457
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 7: pick apart every single individual battle, it's going fairly astonishingly

1458
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 7: well in military terms. I don't know about political terms.

1459
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 7: Israel certainly hated among many parts of the world right now.

1460
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 7: Some of that is propaganda. Some of that is that

1461
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 7: there is this terrible war in Gaza, but you know,

1462
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 7: there was a worst war going on in Sudan nobody

1463
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 7: talked about or saw. There's a lot of discourse, a

1464
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 7: lot of propaganda. The Israelis and the Palestinians and the

1465
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 7: Iranians are symbols to a whole lot.

1466
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 3: Of ideologues all over the world.

1467
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 7: Israel certainly has a huge problem in terms of its

1468
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 7: public persona public image on the world stage. Militarily, it

1469
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 7: is a victory every step of the way. People will

1470
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 7: then argue, you can't kill an idea. People will then

1471
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 7: argue still there. People will argue, the Iranian regime hasn't

1472
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 7: fallen yet, it can still burn things to the ground

1473
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 7: on its way out. Maybe that means it can never

1474
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 7: be felt because nobody's willing to literally remove twenty percent

1475
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 7: of the oil supply for five years. Yeah, You could

1476
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 7: argue that, sure, but that would assume that Israel is

1477
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 7: thinking the way most Westerners think about this war, which

1478
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 7: is to say, we have a pinpoint problem, We're going

1479
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 7: to attack it with a pinpoint solution, and if it

1480
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 7: isn't all finished and within two weeks and we're all

1481
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 7: home drinking our eggnog, then then we've lost. That is

1482
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 7: not how the Israelis are thinking about it. The Israelis

1483
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 7: are thinking about this in Middle Eastern terms. The idea

1484
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 7: will come for us in one form or another, no

1485
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 7: matter what we do in any one arena.

1486
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 5: So it has to be.

1487
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 7: All the arenas, and the idea itself has to die.

1488
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 7: On October eighth, I went on a podcast and I

1489
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 7: was asked this question what happens now? And one of

1490
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 7: my main arguments was, this is not.

1491
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:36,839
Speaker 3: Going to be about Goza.

1492
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 7: This is going to be the beginning of a war

1493
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 7: that must go to Fisbella and a war that must

1494
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 7: go to Iran, and it might take five years. And

1495
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 7: I got some emails of people telling me, what, you're silly,

1496
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 7: not even you're a warmonger, You're just that's a silly

1497
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 7: thing to say.

1498
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 3: Israel's not going to challenge Iran.

1499
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Speaker 7: Israel's not going to take on the costs the two

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Speaker 7: hundred thousand missiles and rockets hitting Tel Aviv that would

1501
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 7: be involved in attacking Fisbellah. And here we are two

1502
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 7: and a half years later, and actually it is exactly

1503
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 7: what has happened.

1504
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 5: And so Israel is vastly.

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01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 7: More powerful than it was two and a half years ago.

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01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 7: Its enemies are vastly weaker than they were two and

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Speaker 7: a half years ago. And that has to continue, and

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Speaker 7: it may have to continue for years more until the

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01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 7: idea no longer makes any sense. And Hugh, I'm sorry

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01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 7: to go on like this. Can I just one last

1511
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 7: point about this. It's happened before, our experience of this

1512
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 7: has happened before. In the nineteen fifties and sixties. Israel,

1513
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 7: tiny little third world Israel that began its life rationing

1514
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 7: egg powder to children because they didn't have enough food

1515
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 7: to feed the children, tiny poor, impoverished Israel under a

1516
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 7: British and American arms embargo, faced Arab armies united behind

1517
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 7: this charismatic Nasser with brand new Soviet hardware coming at

1518
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 7: them to demolish and annihilate them. And this idea of

1519
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 7: pan Arabism that Naser was selling, that unified Egypt and Syria. Briefly,

1520
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 7: that brought up Jordanians, and then the Iraqis all to

1521
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 7: attack us, all it once again and again and again.

1522
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 7: This idea was basically the argument that if the Arabs

1523
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 7: lost in forty eight because they were disunited, if they

1524
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 7: unite and remember their strength and remember their unity, the

1525
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 7: Jews stand no chance. How did that pan Arabist idea die?

1526
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 7: We destroyed it in tank battles in the desert. So

1527
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 7: we've already been through this cycle and we have to

1528
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 7: go through it again. And by the way, if we

1529
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 7: can't kill this Mukawama idea, this terrorism self sacrificial mass

1530
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 7: martyrdom terrorism ideas, it already doesn't stop in the Middle East.

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01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 7: It's going to be exported everywhere because it works. It

1532
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 7: had better not work, and we're going to make sure

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01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 7: it doesn't work.

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01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,799
Speaker 1: Now. You already named the price, although I thank you,

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01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: you priced it too high. You said the world has

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01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: to get along without twenty percent of its oil supply

1537
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: for five years. In fact, substitutionary effect will take place.

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01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 1: People will find alternative forms of energy. Shouty's already opened

1539
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: up their pipeline that they haven't used for years. You

1540
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: can build a pipeline from Saudi Arabia through Israel to

1541
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean. It can. You can get the oil. It

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01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: takes a year and a half to get the oil.

1543
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, I think the world will produce more.

1544
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: America can produce more, and some costs will go. I

1545
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: think it's worth it whatever it takes, and I think

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01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: Trump might think it's worth it. Do you think the

1547
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: Israeli Do you think UAE and Saudi Arabia have come

1548
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: around to the fact we cannot live across the Strait

1549
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 1: from this fanatical, medieval, theological, crazy regime.

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01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 7: Before you know, from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty four,

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01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,759
Speaker 7: Iran took out something like twenty tankers in the Persian

1552
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 7: Golf and in the Tanker War, in the Irani Rock War,

1553
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 7: there were four years where hundreds of tankers in the

1554
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 7: Persian Golf were hit by this Ragis team.

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01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 5: This idea that every time it's in danger.

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01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 3: It shoots up the global oil supply. You want to

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01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:50,759
Speaker 3: live under that shadow.

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01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 7: I'll say more than that, the energy prices can be

1559
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 7: spiked at Iran's will, because it can start blowing things up.

1560
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 7: That is its one strategy. By the way, has no strategy.

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01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 7: It has no air force that can fly, it has

1562
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 7: no navy that can sail. All it has is the

1563
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 7: ability to blow up somebody else's tankers. A more productive

1564
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 7: society and government's tankers. That's not any word of bad

1565
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,839
Speaker 7: word against Persians. The Persian people are amazing. This regime

1566
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 7: can only destroy and only ever has. But I'll say

1567
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 7: another thing. Iran sits on something like the third largest

1568
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 7: hydrocarbon reserve in the world. We keep talking about, well,

1569
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 7: what will happen to the cost of energy if Iran

1570
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 7: blows up tankers in the strait of promos. Why don't

1571
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 7: we have this conversation about what happens to the cost

1572
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 7: of energy if the Iranian oil and the Iranian gas

1573
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 7: enters the global market. Actually doesn't have sanctions on It

1574
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 7: isn't the plaything of grand empires. They're not trying to

1575
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 7: constantly demolish entire nations and the police. But this unbelievably

1576
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 7: vast oil reserve comes onto the market naturally and builds

1577
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 7: up Iran and makes everybody's oil much cheaper. On the

1578
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 7: other side of this regime lies a much, much lower

1579
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,520
Speaker 7: price of oil for everybody. That's also part of this conversation.

1580
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 7: We can only see the bad side, there's also a

1581
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 7: good side, and it's massive. So you know, you want

1582
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 7: to live in the shadow of a bullied trying to

1583
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 7: get a nuke that has already done this again and

1584
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 7: again and again, go for it. I think that I

1585
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 7: can't afford to. It's told me this won't end until

1586
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 7: I'm dead. So here I am responding to somebody who

1587
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 7: told me I have nothing to lose. I submit that

1588
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 7: the world has vastly more to gain from this regime

1589
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 7: falling than they have to lose from this regime being

1590
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 7: in its death thrones.

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01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: After they fired whatever they had at Diego Garcia. Everybody

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01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: in Western Europe should have figured that out. When we

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01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: come back, I'm going to ask again the follow up,

1594
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: does the golf get it? And in fact, if the

1595
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: Golf gets it, can the coalition do what has to

1596
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: be done? Because the Iranian people are done with this too.

1597
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: They have thirty five thousand of them murdered in January,

1598
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: and I have to think they're done with this too.

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01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 1: So the idea might already be dead, but a zombie

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01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: regime is a zombie regime. I'll be right back with

1601
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: Aviv ready Gore once again. You can foll him on

1602
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: exit and Viv Ready Gore. You can join his Patreon

1603
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: and you can read him at the Free Press where

1604
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: he's their Middle East correspondent station. Welcome back, America. You

1605
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: hewit with Aviv Reddy Gore. We're in week four of

1606
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 1: the war, Aviv, that is the war with Iran, that

1607
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: American's condent. We're going actually the thirtieth months of the war,

1608
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: which began on ten to seven. Do you think the

1609
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: world will wake up and do what has to be done?

1610
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: And by the way, you hew it, not anybody else.

1611
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 1: Nobody's told me that think you have to destroy the

1612
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: oil infrastructure of Iran. You have to impoverish the nation

1613
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: and impoverish the IRGC, because they just keep pulling old

1614
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: IRGC guys out of retirement to put him in charge

1615
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: of a regime. When Israel United States kills them, they've

1616
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: probably got a limited supply somewhere, but not for a

1617
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 1: long time, and they got to run out of hardliners.

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01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: You fought in the Iraq Iran war for ten years,

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01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: thirty five year years ago. They got a lot of

1620
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: those crazy people. So do you think the world's ready

1621
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: to do what has to be done, which is to

1622
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: blow up their ability to sustain their regime.

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01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 7: I mean the Europeans, absolutely not. Europe has willfully made

1624
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 7: itself completely dependent on Russian energy and on Persian Gulf energy,

1625
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 7: something that is not true of the United States. And

1626
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 7: Europe has disarmed itself of militaries and the ability to

1627
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 7: project power. And Europe is now at the mercy of

1628
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 7: everyone else, of the whims of various Middle Eastern powers

1629
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 7: and the United States and everybody else. And so they're

1630
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 7: really very nervous and very angry and very upset. We're hearing,

1631
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 7: we're hearing interesting things from the Italian leadership, from the

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01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 7: German leadership, and from the Japanese leadership. Ironically, eighty years

1633
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 7: ago the Axis powers and they get the great danger

1634
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 7: represented by the ideology that Iran leads and isn't this

1635
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 7: sole purveyor of leads in the Middle East, And they

1636
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 7: don't want this war to end with the regime intact.

1637
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 7: They might not have anything to contribute in terms of

1638
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 7: toppling it, but they certainly are on the side of

1639
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 7: the Gulf States. They're on the side of Israel in

1640
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 7: this war, even if some of them, like the Italians,

1641
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:17,839
Speaker 7: don't say so. Ironically, it is the allies of Europe,

1642
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 7: the French, the British, who are utterly unwilling to see

1643
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 7: the actual challenge posed by these ideas and the destructiveness

1644
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 7: of them to Iran and to the region and to

1645
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 7: the oil infrastructure of the world and all of that.

1646
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 7: So I think the world understands. I'll put it really simple.

1647
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 7: If this regime survives this round of war.

1648
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 3: That is okay.

1649
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:38,759
Speaker 5: That is okay.

1650
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 7: I was asked in the twelve day war in June

1651
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 7: this exact same question. You bombed them for twelve days,

1652
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 7: you killed a bunch of generals, and here they are

1653
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 7: still picking.

1654
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a long war. This is not the

1655
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 5: kind of war.

1656
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 7: That is exactly catered to the schedule of your TikTok

1657
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 7: feed like. This is a long, serious confrontation between deep

1658
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 7: ideas and ways of life and ways of thinking about

1659
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 7: the world. And it will be decided in time. It

1660
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,759
Speaker 7: will be decided in investment, in will, in a test

1661
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,719
Speaker 7: of wills, and in sticking power.

1662
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 5: And that remains true.

1663
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 7: So we brought down this regime a few very large pegs,

1664
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 7: and the world might because of the energy prices pulled back.

1665
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 7: The United States might pull back. I don't ask Trump

1666
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 7: to lose the midterms for me. I don't think he's

1667
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 7: doing it for me. I think there are a thousand.

1668
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 7: But not living under the shadow of Iran's veto of

1669
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 7: shipping in the Strait of hor moves is reason enough

1670
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 7: to not have this regime rule for another twenty five

1671
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 7: years in that region. But nevertheless, he has given me

1672
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 7: this great gift. It's a great gift to me, even

1673
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 7: if it wasn't specifically meant for me, and I don't

1674
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 7: have the right to ask for more.

1675
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 5: But we will have another war. There's no other choice.

1676
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 7: Iran will not stop fighting, will not stop demolishing nations,

1677
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:53,440
Speaker 7: will not stop expanding.

1678
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: Now, yesterday Israel called up four hundred thousand reservists. If

1679
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 1: I read my Israeli English line, which press correctly, what's

1680
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: that mean heavy, That's that's the whole shebang. That's everybody

1681
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: who can get called up.

1682
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 7: Basically, it's uh, it's flexibility for the army. It's flexibility

1683
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 7: for the army, for Lebanon, for a longer term fight

1684
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 7: with Iran. It is Israel signaling a willingness to keep

1685
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 7: going at a very strong level and to escalate. One

1686
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 7: of the things that Professor Schiftan talks about is this

1687
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 7: idea of escalation dominance. You face an enemy, and the

1688
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 7: enemy he wants to escalate until you bow out, and

1689
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 7: you want to escalate until they bow out. Well, whoever

1690
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 7: can escalate farthest wins, and so the ability to project

1691
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 7: the willingness to escalate is very much part of this

1692
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 7: more that's that's my sense of it. Four hundred thousand

1693
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 7: people were not called up. The army was given permission

1694
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 7: by the political echelon to begin to do that.

1695
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 5: In terms of.

1696
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 3: Logistics, which is which is mostly a signal.

1697
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: Okay, it does it? Do you think it signals that

1698
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:07,480
Speaker 1: the Lebanon south of Latani is going to be occupied

1699
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: on a more or less permanent basis thirty seconds to

1700
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 1: the break.

1701
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 7: What we have heard from Israeli officials, it's a big

1702
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 7: question of how much of it is rhetoric and how

1703
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 7: much of it is actual policy. What we've heard from

1704
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 7: Israeli officials is we have to root out Chrisbelasbela.

1705
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 3: Remains a threat. We will root it out until it

1706
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 3: is dead.

1707
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 7: We can do this forever they claim they can, we

1708
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 7: can too, and we will hold south of the Litani

1709
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 7: until we have defeated them.

1710
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 3: Instead of Hasbela.

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01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 7: Saying that about Israel back when Israel occupied southern Lebanon

1712
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 7: for eighteen years, like America's Afghanistan experience and then Israel left,

1713
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 7: now it's the opposite.

1714
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 5: Chasbelah will never not.

1715
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,600
Speaker 7: Play the war against us, but we will hold that

1716
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 7: territory and hurt them until they are the ones wholieve.

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01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: One more segment with a vive ready gourd, don't go

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01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: anywhere in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Welcome back in America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett. I want to thank you Vieve reddi Gore

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Speaker 1: for a lot of time. I have a column coming

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Speaker 1: out tomorrow. We have an ally in Israel that is

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Speaker 1: really unique. We've never operated with an ally, even in

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Speaker 1: World War Two, at this level of interoperability and command

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Speaker 1: and control. So it's really an extraordinary point in military history.

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Speaker 1: And not many Americans know much about what the Israelis

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Speaker 1: think of their point of view. And I list a

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Speaker 1: few people and my Fox News call them tomorrow, including

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Speaker 1: a viv about whom Americans ought to be aware and

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Speaker 1: follow so they know what our ally is doing now,

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Speaker 1: our allies politics matter a lot. The Khaki election. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember in nineteen hundred the English

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Speaker 1: thought they'd won the Second World War. They hadn't, but

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Speaker 1: they thought they'd won. So I think Lord Salisbury called

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Speaker 1: a snap election won more than four hundred seats. The

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Speaker 1: poor Liberal Party got smashed. They were below two hundred

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Speaker 1: seats because they have a really quick election in England.

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Speaker 1: And you can do that when you think you've won

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Speaker 1: a war. Can BB do that? I asked all this

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Speaker 1: yesterday's no, no, no, it's going to be in October.

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Speaker 1: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: We're going to find out very soon?

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Speaker 7: It depends on a very few people, and I don't

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Speaker 7: like to predict what a very few people will do.

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Speaker 3: It's easier to.

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Speaker 7: Predict what one hundred million people will do. It's hard

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Speaker 7: to predict what three people will do. The Knesset has

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Speaker 7: to pass the budget by the end of the month,

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Speaker 7: and they might pass an extension and give themselves a

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Speaker 7: couple more weeks or something like that. But if they

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Speaker 7: don't complete the budget process properly and all the different things,

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Speaker 7: then the Kannesset is legally required to dissolve itself to

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Speaker 7: snap elections, which happened ninety days later, so that would

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Speaker 7: be July. If they do pass that budget, then the

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Speaker 7: elections will be at their regularly scheduled time in October.

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Speaker 7: What's fascinating about that is that this would be one

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Speaker 7: of the more hated governments or more divisive governments.

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Speaker 5: In the history of Israel, which.

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Speaker 7: Is, by the way, not unexpected after October seven. And

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Speaker 7: it's also a much more polarized time than it was

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Speaker 7: in many periods in Israel's passed. So I'm not even

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Speaker 7: accusing of being somehow beyond the pale of although.

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Speaker 5: In some of the things they're doing, I'm extremely troubled.

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Speaker 7: But it would be even though it's one of the

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Speaker 7: least liked governments, and even though it hasn't actually won

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Speaker 7: in any poll that I know of since it was

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Speaker 7: voted in in December twenty twenty two, it will be

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Speaker 7: the first Israeli government in history to last its full

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Speaker 7: term if they managed to pass a state budget.

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Speaker 5: Now, can they pass a state budget? I think so.

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Speaker 7: I think so because the ultra Orthodox are getting a

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Speaker 7: lot of what they want, mainly a ton of money.

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Speaker 7: The religious Zionist factions of the government are getting a

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Speaker 7: lot of what they want again, mainly a ton of money,

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Speaker 7: and everyone is getting enough that you know they're going

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Speaker 7: to stick with it. As we get closer to election day,

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Speaker 7: by the way, the various different right wing factions are

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Speaker 7: all going to need to try to cannibalize each other's

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Speaker 7: voters because they have some overlapping constituencies. And that's a

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Speaker 7: lot of the times leading up to Israeli elections, and

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Speaker 7: this is true of many parliamentary systems where parties that

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Speaker 7: are together in a coalition share many ias tend to

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Speaker 7: then produce all kinds of artificial crises to have something

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Speaker 7: to distinguish themselves to their bases as they enter the

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Speaker 7: election season. So it's not a big question whether the

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Speaker 7: election is in July or August or October, but those

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Speaker 7: are the kinds of structural things that we have to

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Speaker 7: watch for to know.

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Speaker 1: It's the last question, and you've got three or four

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Speaker 1: minutes on this one, so take your time. Natanyao has

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Speaker 1: done a brilliant job in waging this long war. He

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Speaker 1: got caught off by surprise, and he was wrong about

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Speaker 1: a moss but he's done a great job waging this war,

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Speaker 1: and he's got President Trump working with him. We're waging

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Speaker 1: this war, and finally we've come to grips for the

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Speaker 1: Iran over those guys that were run Finally. I'm seventy

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Speaker 1: years old. I've been waiting for this for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I saw Ron fall into chaos on the couch with

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Speaker 1: Richard Nixon and Zan Clementi as a writing member's staff

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine and eighty, so I

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Speaker 1: remember it very well. Do you think that matters to

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Speaker 1: the average ars Israeli or are they just as likely

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Speaker 1: to do what the English did in nineteen forty five

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Speaker 1: and throw Churchill out after he was the only man

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Speaker 1: who could have beaten the Nazis and dead, and nevertheless

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Speaker 1: they threw him out because they were the English and

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Speaker 1: they were tired of him.

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Speaker 7: I have to tell you a lot of Israelis who

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Speaker 7: really appreciate it too on the war think that he

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Speaker 7: has hurt them, betrayed them, and led them in bad

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Speaker 7: directions on a host of domestic issues that have no

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Speaker 7: saliens or residents that really are understood outside of Israel.

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Speaker 7: For obvious reasons, how much does anyone else around the

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Speaker 7: world understand America's healthcare debate?

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Speaker 5: Right, but elections can be about health and unemployment and.

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Speaker 7: Not about the big thing that the world cares about,

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Speaker 7: like the Rock War twenty five years ago or whatever.

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Speaker 7: So the answer, as the far as the polls tell us,

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Speaker 7: is how does not his current coalition does not at

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Speaker 7: this moment have a majority, It does not have a

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Speaker 7: parliamentary victory, and it.

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Speaker 5: Hasn't any poll.

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Speaker 7: Now, somebody will find me one poll by right wing polster.

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Speaker 7: I'll take that back. I'm not saying there literally isn't one,

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Speaker 7: but I follow the polls very closely, and certainly none

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Speaker 7: of the mainstream ones over time. Does that mean that

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Speaker 7: the opposition has a victory. We don't see a clear path.

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Speaker 7: We're talking about an election between you know, sixteen parties,

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Speaker 7: of which eleven will make it in roughly give or take.

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Speaker 5: That's how it works.

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Speaker 7: So it's always a kind of chaos math to try

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Speaker 7: and figure out that path. But a lot a lot

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Speaker 7: of Israelis say things like, and it's now the.

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Speaker 3: Trigger on Iran.

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Speaker 5: That was terrifying, that was scary, that took guts.

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Speaker 7: We didn't know that Iran would not respond competently if

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Speaker 7: it had responded much war come.

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Speaker 1: You didn't was, yeah, you didn't know that.

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Speaker 7: It could have been two thousand ballistic misses on Tel Aviv.

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Speaker 7: It could Tel Aviv could have been on fire. And

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Speaker 7: he knew the potential cost. He also knows the cost

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Speaker 7: of letting Iran continue to develop, letting this regime produce

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Speaker 7: the capabilities it wants to produce. The Chinese where literally

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Speaker 7: they signed in agreement a month before the war to

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Speaker 7: hand Iran it's supersonic missiles. You know what that would

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Speaker 7: have done to the strait of Hormones. An American aircraft

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Speaker 7: carrier could have been taken easily by an Iranian gunboat.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we're talking about an upgrading of their capabilities

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Speaker 7: that we have stopped. And so Nittagnell pulled the trigger

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Speaker 7: and made that absolutely terrifying decision on every domestic policy

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Speaker 7: issue that I care about, that my kids' lives depend

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Speaker 7: on on this massive welfare state over in the ultra

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Speaker 7: Orthodox community that is larger, they get more per capita,

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Speaker 7: and they get incentivized not to work in a vast scale,

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Speaker 7: something like fifty percent of their men don't work at all,

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Speaker 7: and the ones who do work tend to be low

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Speaker 7: earners because their education system is a separate education system

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Speaker 7: that doesn't teach math in English after fourth grade.

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Speaker 5: Now, Israel is not a hydrocarbon power.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it has some natural gas reserves right now, but

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Speaker 7: not compared to Middle Eastern levels.

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Speaker 5: And that's very recent.

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Speaker 7: All we have built we have built with human talent.

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Speaker 7: We have built with the simple fact that the Israel

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Speaker 7: invests more in R and D than any other nation

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Speaker 7: on Earth per capita. It is the number one on earth.

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Speaker 7: Is That is what we are. That is our strength,

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Speaker 7: that is our power. Now, I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 7: religious education. I'm the son of a rabbi. I have

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Speaker 7: podcast episodes about holidays and diving into the Jewish religious bookshelf.

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Speaker 5: I'm a huge fan of religion.

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Speaker 3: Ditto Christianity.

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Speaker 5: I am a big thing.

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Speaker 7: You've got to work that doesn't need to get them

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Speaker 7: not working, and movie tolate it. And if he has

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Speaker 7: expanded that there was a law passed this week this

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Speaker 7: week by this kind asset, when everybody else is hunkering

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Speaker 7: down in bomb shelters, when people are losing jobs because

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Speaker 7: businesses are closed, this kind of set passed. The law

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Speaker 7: that expands the powers is a redemicult course.

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Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, good on the war, bad on

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Speaker 1: everything else. Have they writing Door, I will check back

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Speaker 1: with you in a few weeks. I greatly appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time today, very illuminating as always Episode ninety nine Friends.

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Speaker 1: I asked to be of anything to me too,