1 00:00:02,660 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,900 --> 00:00:09,030 Speaker 2: But ultimately, our hope is not in our self-empowerment. 3 00:00:09,110 --> 00:00:13,730 Speaker 3: It's not in our positive thinking. It's not in positive self-talk. 4 00:00:13,870 --> 00:00:15,810 Speaker 2: Our hope is in God and. 5 00:00:15,710 --> 00:00:18,060 Speaker 3: Inviting Him by the power of the Spirit to bring 6 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 3: about that transformation in our lives. 7 00:00:20,380 --> 00:00:23,060 Speaker 4: Welcome to the Faith Over Fear podcast, where we discuss 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,290 Speaker 4: powerful truths to quiet anxiety and fear, big and small. 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,540 Speaker 4: In today's episode of Faith Over Fear, we're joined by 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,470 Speaker 4: Kyle Eidelman, author of the new release, Every Thought Captive. 11 00:00:35,229 --> 00:00:37,089 Speaker 1: If you've ever asked, why do I. 12 00:00:37,050 --> 00:00:40,150 Speaker 4: Keep getting stuck in thoughts I feel like I shouldn't 13 00:00:40,190 --> 00:00:43,129 Speaker 4: be having, or maybe I feel like I'm at war 14 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:46,339 Speaker 4: with my own mind, then you've selected the right episode 15 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 4: to get to the heart of the matter. Join us 16 00:00:48,900 --> 00:01:05,819 Speaker 4: after we hear these brief messages from our sponsor. I'm 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 4: Carol McCracken, and today's guest is Kyle Eidelman. He's the 18 00:01:09,860 --> 00:01:13,890 Speaker 4: senior pastor at Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, Kentucky, one 19 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:17,289 Speaker 4: of the largest churches in America. He's the best-selling author 20 00:01:17,330 --> 00:01:20,770 Speaker 4: of numerous books, and today we're talking about his newest release, 21 00:01:21,050 --> 00:01:24,950 Speaker 4: Every Thought Captive. He and his wife, Desiree, have been 22 00:01:24,970 --> 00:01:28,270 Speaker 4: married for more than 30 years, but get this, they 23 00:01:28,350 --> 00:01:31,210 Speaker 4: live on a farm together. Where Kyle doesn't do any 24 00:01:31,450 --> 00:01:32,750 Speaker 4: actual farming. 25 00:01:33,490 --> 00:01:34,210 Speaker 1: Hi, Kyle. 26 00:01:35,150 --> 00:01:36,750 Speaker 2: That's true. I have to confess. 27 00:01:37,020 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 3: My wife does some actual farming. I do not do 28 00:01:39,860 --> 00:01:42,250 Speaker 3: actual farming. But I get to enjoy the beauty of it. 29 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:43,669 Speaker 3: And I'm grateful for it. 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: But she's the farmer in the family. 31 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:47,380 Speaker 1: I love it. Is it a working farm? 32 00:01:47,860 --> 00:01:48,180 Speaker 4: It is. 33 00:01:48,340 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: It's a working horse farm here in Kentucky. And it's 34 00:01:51,690 --> 00:01:53,850 Speaker 3: how she grew up. And so she knows a lot 35 00:01:53,890 --> 00:01:56,580 Speaker 3: about it. I know little about it. But yeah, grateful 36 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: for the beauty of it. Lots of just moments of 37 00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: enjoying God's creation there. 38 00:02:00,380 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: So it's good. 39 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: Nice. 40 00:02:01,820 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: It sounds lovely. Really does. 41 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 4: Well, thank you, first of all, for writing this book. 42 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:10,500 Speaker 4: I've got a personal connection with it because my own 43 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 4: church is doing this as an all-church study starting next week. 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,860 Speaker 4: And we are just really grateful that you've given us 45 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 4: such a tool. And Every Thought Captive identifies lies that 46 00:02:24,370 --> 00:02:27,730 Speaker 4: we believe. And you say in your book that our 47 00:02:27,770 --> 00:02:30,329 Speaker 4: thoughts often lie to us. And I'd love to know, 48 00:02:30,370 --> 00:02:34,010 Speaker 4: what's one lie that you personally wrestled with that surprised 49 00:02:34,030 --> 00:02:35,170 Speaker 4: you once you recognized it? 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the challenge with our minds is some 51 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:40,780 Speaker 3: of the lies we believe. 52 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 2: We didn't choose. 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,579 Speaker 3: They were something that was told to us maybe when 54 00:02:45,620 --> 00:02:48,340 Speaker 3: we were young, something that's been repeated perhaps by people 55 00:02:48,380 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: around us or maybe the culture that we live in. 56 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,579 Speaker 3: So we believe some lies. The Bible would call these 57 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,460 Speaker 3: strongholds in 2 Corinthians. We believe some lies without recognizing 58 00:02:57,500 --> 00:03:00,380 Speaker 3: that they're lies, and then they surface in some destructive 59 00:03:00,410 --> 00:03:03,390 Speaker 3: ways in our lives. And so your question for me is, 60 00:03:03,510 --> 00:03:06,590 Speaker 3: you know, what's one of those that I've identified? And, 61 00:03:06,610 --> 00:03:08,829 Speaker 3: you know, the one that comes to my mind is 62 00:03:08,910 --> 00:03:13,590 Speaker 3: this idea that I don't remember ever consciously choosing or 63 00:03:13,730 --> 00:03:16,470 Speaker 3: anyone intentionally saying to me, but this idea that. 64 00:03:16,490 --> 00:03:18,089 Speaker 2: I can't ask for help. 65 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,590 Speaker 3: That I need to be somebody who helps but shouldn't 66 00:03:21,630 --> 00:03:23,270 Speaker 3: be somebody who asks for help, that I can be 67 00:03:23,310 --> 00:03:26,030 Speaker 3: a rescuer but not someone who needs to be rescued. 68 00:03:26,110 --> 00:03:30,890 Speaker 3: And that lie, I think, held me captive in many 69 00:03:30,930 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: ways for many years. I think back to when I 70 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: was first married and we were navigating some of the 71 00:03:36,820 --> 00:03:40,820 Speaker 3: challenges of early marriage and my wife. It was like, 72 00:03:41,180 --> 00:03:44,030 Speaker 3: let's ask somebody for help. Let's get some help navigating this. 73 00:03:44,210 --> 00:03:45,970 Speaker 3: And in my mind, we just couldn't do that. Like, hey, 74 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:46,730 Speaker 3: I'll figure it out. 75 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:48,810 Speaker 2: We'll get it fixed. But we're not going to ask 76 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:49,490 Speaker 2: somebody for help. 77 00:03:49,590 --> 00:03:51,270 Speaker 3: And when we were figuring out some of the parenting 78 00:03:51,310 --> 00:03:54,870 Speaker 3: things and dealing with challenges around parenting, and again, my 79 00:03:54,910 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: wife was like, well, let's ask for some help. And 80 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,260 Speaker 3: I just didn't feel like we could ask for help. 81 00:03:58,940 --> 00:04:01,860 Speaker 3: There was something within me that was believing the lie 82 00:04:01,900 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: that asking for help was admitting failure, that asking for 83 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,660 Speaker 3: help was weakness. Now, I know, of course, that that 84 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: is not just a lie. That's anti-gospel. Like at the 85 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: heart of the gospel is a humble acknowledgement that you 86 00:04:14,580 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: need saved. And so just reaching a place where I 87 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:20,820 Speaker 3: began to understand that that thought, that lie wasn't just 88 00:04:20,850 --> 00:04:23,710 Speaker 3: holding me captive. It was holding people in my life captive, 89 00:04:24,010 --> 00:04:26,870 Speaker 3: my wife, my kids, and recognizing that. 90 00:04:27,750 --> 00:04:28,789 Speaker 2: I needed a new thought. 91 00:04:29,070 --> 00:04:31,630 Speaker 3: I needed my thought around asking for help to be 92 00:04:31,710 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: transformed into something that was true and biblical. 93 00:04:35,260 --> 00:04:35,589 Speaker 1: I love it. 94 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,050 Speaker 4: Well, you're talking in the book that many people feel 95 00:04:40,170 --> 00:04:43,990 Speaker 4: stuck in this negative thinking spiral, if you will, and 96 00:04:44,010 --> 00:04:47,170 Speaker 4: they don't know where it started. Like you were talking about, 97 00:04:47,210 --> 00:04:50,010 Speaker 4: you don't know where your lie about that got started. 98 00:04:50,430 --> 00:04:52,770 Speaker 4: How can, or how did you work through, how can 99 00:04:52,790 --> 00:04:56,450 Speaker 4: somebody trace their current fear or anxiety back to a 100 00:04:56,490 --> 00:04:57,229 Speaker 4: root thought? 101 00:04:57,790 --> 00:05:00,809 Speaker 3: Well, even the language that the Bible uses about taking 102 00:05:00,850 --> 00:05:03,930 Speaker 3: your thoughts captive, I think hints at this. And that is, 103 00:05:04,089 --> 00:05:06,330 Speaker 3: if you take something captive, you're not just saying, I'm 104 00:05:06,350 --> 00:05:10,050 Speaker 3: going to stop thinking this way, but you're interrogating that thought. 105 00:05:10,089 --> 00:05:12,589 Speaker 3: You're learning about that thought. Where did this come from? 106 00:05:13,470 --> 00:05:15,830 Speaker 3: Who did I hear this from? How has this served me? 107 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: Where has this thought led me? And so let's say 108 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,980 Speaker 3: you're dealing with some anxious thoughts about things that are 109 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,779 Speaker 3: going on in life. And so you're trying to identify, okay, 110 00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: what's that coming from? And you recognize that your first 111 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:31,580 Speaker 3: thoughts when you wake up in the morning aren't very intentional. 112 00:05:31,660 --> 00:05:33,220 Speaker 3: In fact, the first thing you do maybe is you 113 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,940 Speaker 3: get on your phone and you scroll through the news 114 00:05:34,980 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: and you see what's happened. 115 00:05:35,820 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: Around the world. 116 00:05:36,779 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: Well, you are setting a neural pathway for yourself that 117 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: will react with anxiety to whatever happens that day, because 118 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:48,350 Speaker 3: you start off the day thinking a certain way. 119 00:05:48,410 --> 00:05:49,930 Speaker 2: But if you'll start the. 120 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:55,150 Speaker 3: Day differently, taking your thoughts captive, focusing on intentional scriptures 121 00:05:55,210 --> 00:05:58,339 Speaker 3: about casting your anxiety on God, 1 Peter 5, 7, 122 00:05:58,339 --> 00:06:00,809 Speaker 3: about God working all things together for good, Romans chapter 123 00:06:00,810 --> 00:06:04,590 Speaker 3: 8 verse 28, and you replace your anxious thoughts with 124 00:06:04,630 --> 00:06:08,540 Speaker 3: some biblical truth, then you're setting yourself up for thoughts 125 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:11,500 Speaker 3: during the day that aren't reactive but are responding. 126 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,510 Speaker 2: Like you can... Be intentional with it. 127 00:06:13,660 --> 00:06:16,700 Speaker 3: And so I challenge people who are struggling maybe with 128 00:06:16,779 --> 00:06:19,860 Speaker 3: anxious thoughts is to really do a thought diary, really 129 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: pay attention to when do those thoughts come? 130 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: What triggers those thoughts? Where do those thoughts come from? 131 00:06:25,060 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: And then how can you practice thought replacement where you 132 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:30,660 Speaker 3: put new thoughts in place. 133 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,260 Speaker 2: Of those old thoughts? 134 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: That's great. Some lies are loud and they're obvious. 135 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:41,300 Speaker 4: And then some kind of masquerade as wisdom or reality. 136 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,510 Speaker 4: can we discern when our thoughts, they sound true, but 137 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:47,170 Speaker 4: they really aren't? 138 00:06:47,529 --> 00:06:51,770 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think understanding that most of the 139 00:06:51,810 --> 00:06:56,900 Speaker 3: lies we believe have some element of truth to them. That's, 140 00:06:57,220 --> 00:07:00,740 Speaker 3: in fact, what can make lies that we believe really dangerous. 141 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: Let me give you an example of this. 142 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,140 Speaker 3: I talk in the book about the pattern of offense of, 143 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,050 Speaker 3: you know, this lie that I'm a victim, that the 144 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: way somebody's offended me is One of the most important 145 00:07:10,670 --> 00:07:13,770 Speaker 3: things about me that I'm at the mercy of how 146 00:07:13,810 --> 00:07:16,630 Speaker 3: other people treat me. There's some truth to that. Like 147 00:07:17,050 --> 00:07:19,830 Speaker 3: you may have been offended. Like you may have been 148 00:07:20,170 --> 00:07:24,250 Speaker 3: unfairly victimized. Like for some people in your listening audience, 149 00:07:24,410 --> 00:07:26,930 Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a lot of truth to that. 150 00:07:27,190 --> 00:07:28,210 Speaker 2: But what's not. 151 00:07:28,090 --> 00:07:31,770 Speaker 3: True is that that is your identity. That's not who 152 00:07:31,810 --> 00:07:34,190 Speaker 3: you are. Your identity is not being a victim. Your 153 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:37,100 Speaker 3: identity is not being a person, is not what was 154 00:07:37,180 --> 00:07:39,850 Speaker 3: done to you. Yeah. Your identity as a follower of 155 00:07:39,910 --> 00:07:43,850 Speaker 3: Jesus is what was done for you through Jesus. And 156 00:07:43,910 --> 00:07:46,970 Speaker 3: so recognizing that, yeah, it is true maybe that something 157 00:07:47,010 --> 00:07:47,930 Speaker 3: was done to you. 158 00:07:48,350 --> 00:07:48,850 Speaker 2: That's true. 159 00:07:49,530 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: But replacing that with what is truer, that your identity 160 00:07:55,780 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: is marked in Christ and what Jesus has done for 161 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: you is the challenge. Beautiful. 162 00:08:02,500 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: All right. 163 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,860 Speaker 4: So getting to the verse, the title of your book, 164 00:08:06,490 --> 00:08:10,830 Speaker 4: When scripture tells us to take every thought captive, what 165 00:08:10,850 --> 00:08:15,010 Speaker 4: does it really actually look like on a Tuesday morning 166 00:08:15,070 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 4: when we're anxious, say before a meeting or some kind 167 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: of shame spiral? 168 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: It really does begin with identifying the thoughts that we're thinking. 169 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: So if you think on average, I think that science 170 00:08:27,940 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: on this is somewhere around 60,000 thoughts per day or 171 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,189 Speaker 3: something like that. They would say that around 90% of 172 00:08:33,250 --> 00:08:35,910 Speaker 3: our thoughts are on repeat, that they're happening below our 173 00:08:35,950 --> 00:08:38,570 Speaker 3: level of consciousness. We're not even aware that we're thinking them. 174 00:08:38,929 --> 00:08:42,310 Speaker 3: They're just on repeat. We thought it yesterday. We think 175 00:08:42,350 --> 00:08:45,010 Speaker 3: it today. We'll think it tomorrow. And so in order 176 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:47,050 Speaker 3: to take our thoughts captive, we have to recognize what 177 00:08:47,090 --> 00:08:50,140 Speaker 3: we're thinking when we're not thinking, because so many of 178 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: our thoughts, they just traveling down a neural pathway that's 179 00:08:53,660 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: been established and We're not really paying attention to them. 180 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: And yet, according to Proverbs 4.23, those thoughts are defining 181 00:09:00,340 --> 00:09:05,050 Speaker 3: our lives. So it really does begin with identifying your thoughts, 182 00:09:05,090 --> 00:09:09,130 Speaker 3: keeping track of them, paying attention to what you think, 183 00:09:09,190 --> 00:09:11,330 Speaker 3: what you say about yourself, what you say about God, 184 00:09:11,370 --> 00:09:15,580 Speaker 3: what you say about other people, and recognizing that the 185 00:09:15,620 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: thoughts you think, even the unintentional ones, are in so. 186 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: Many ways shaping your reality. 187 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 3: They determine your attitudes, they regulate your relationships, they lay 188 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:26,460 Speaker 3: a path. 189 00:09:26,220 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: For your future. 190 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: And so prioritizing that, saying, okay, I want to be 191 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,370 Speaker 3: intentional God to identify these thoughts and I need your 192 00:09:35,410 --> 00:09:38,630 Speaker 3: help understanding the impact they're having on my life. The 193 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:41,370 Speaker 3: science term for this would be cognitive repraisal. It's where 194 00:09:42,330 --> 00:09:44,050 Speaker 3: you don't just tell yourself, I'm going to stop thinking 195 00:09:44,090 --> 00:09:47,070 Speaker 3: the thoughts I've been thinking. but you are intentional to 196 00:09:47,130 --> 00:09:50,620 Speaker 3: replace those thoughts with something different. In other words, if 197 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: you're going on a diet and your diet is, I'm 198 00:09:52,940 --> 00:09:54,490 Speaker 3: not going to eat this, this, and this, and you're 199 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:56,530 Speaker 3: just focused on what you're not going to eat, you'll 200 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,900 Speaker 3: be thinking about those things. And in fact, your appetite 201 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: for those things grows. 202 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: It doesn't lessen. 203 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: And so by saying, okay, I'm not going to just 204 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:08,339 Speaker 3: stop thinking those thoughts. I'm going to replace it with 205 00:10:08,540 --> 00:10:11,070 Speaker 3: a biblical truth, not my truth, not the power of 206 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:14,750 Speaker 3: positive thinking, but like, what does the Bible say about this? 207 00:10:15,730 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 3: And then being intentional to replace it. And the Bible 208 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:20,980 Speaker 3: says in Romans 12 that when you do that, you 209 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,430 Speaker 3: experience God's transforming work. It's work He does in you 210 00:10:24,590 --> 00:10:27,030 Speaker 3: by the renewing of your minds. And so aligning our 211 00:10:27,070 --> 00:10:30,989 Speaker 3: thoughts with His truth brings about supernatural transformation. 212 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:34,570 Speaker 4: Well, we're going to be using that verse after reading 213 00:10:34,590 --> 00:10:37,170 Speaker 4: your book every single time. We're going to do a 214 00:10:37,230 --> 00:10:41,010 Speaker 4: five-week series at church. And the point is to memorize 215 00:10:41,050 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 4: that verse so that we are replacing it. So we 216 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,260 Speaker 4: love practical tools. That's why I was asking about that. 217 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,010 Speaker 4: And you suggest in the book that not every thought 218 00:10:52,070 --> 00:10:53,569 Speaker 4: deserves a seat at the table. 219 00:10:53,850 --> 00:10:54,709 Speaker 1: I love that. 220 00:10:55,050 --> 00:10:58,650 Speaker 4: You're thinking those thoughts, but it doesn't have an opportunity 221 00:10:59,070 --> 00:11:02,429 Speaker 4: to sit at your table. So what's a practice that 222 00:11:02,470 --> 00:11:06,780 Speaker 4: you use to actually challenge and replace those toxic thoughts 223 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 4: with truth that you were just talking about? 224 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 3: Well, I talk in the book about community and content, 225 00:11:13,820 --> 00:11:16,610 Speaker 3: that these are ways that you can challenge. Having some 226 00:11:16,660 --> 00:11:20,589 Speaker 3: people around you that will challenge your thinking is really needed. 227 00:11:20,770 --> 00:11:23,330 Speaker 3: I started off our time together by talking about the 228 00:11:23,370 --> 00:11:26,929 Speaker 3: lie I believed of, I can't ask for help. I 229 00:11:27,050 --> 00:11:31,010 Speaker 3: am married, thankfully, to a wife who challenged that and 230 00:11:31,110 --> 00:11:33,890 Speaker 3: really forced me to acknowledge. 231 00:11:33,510 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: That the Deliah that I was believing. 232 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: I don't know that I would have seen it or 233 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:40,610 Speaker 3: acknowledged it or been humble enough to recognize it without 234 00:11:40,670 --> 00:11:42,809 Speaker 3: her help. And I think all of us need that 235 00:11:42,830 --> 00:11:45,309 Speaker 3: from time to time. We need somebody that is willing 236 00:11:45,490 --> 00:11:47,910 Speaker 3: to challenge our thinking, that they've been given the permission 237 00:11:48,330 --> 00:11:50,890 Speaker 3: to challenge how we're thinking. Any parent probably does this 238 00:11:50,910 --> 00:11:53,730 Speaker 3: for their child where you hear them say their thoughts 239 00:11:53,790 --> 00:11:55,550 Speaker 3: out loud and you're like, hey, don't, you can't think 240 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:57,530 Speaker 3: that way. But we don't grow out of the need 241 00:11:57,929 --> 00:12:00,950 Speaker 3: for that kind of community. And then content is the 242 00:12:00,990 --> 00:12:05,290 Speaker 3: other thing, is Letting content challenge your thinking. 243 00:12:05,330 --> 00:12:06,790 Speaker 2: God's word will do this for you. 244 00:12:06,929 --> 00:12:09,580 Speaker 3: The Bible says of itself that it's sharper than any 245 00:12:09,620 --> 00:12:13,860 Speaker 3: double-edged sword that is able to penetrate your thoughts. And 246 00:12:13,940 --> 00:12:18,220 Speaker 3: so God's word confronts my wrong thinking. God's word confronts 247 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,050 Speaker 3: the lies I believed. And so making sure that I'm 248 00:12:21,330 --> 00:12:24,610 Speaker 3: putting that content in my mind and meditating on it 249 00:12:24,690 --> 00:12:28,570 Speaker 3: day and night so that it will expose the thoughts 250 00:12:28,670 --> 00:12:29,790 Speaker 3: that need to be confronted. 251 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:32,390 Speaker 1: I like that. I deliberately did that. 252 00:12:32,510 --> 00:12:35,660 Speaker 4: I've got a prayer partner and we make time every week, 253 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 4: no matter what, how's it going? How's it going with you? 254 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,500 Speaker 4: And we've given each other to do just what you're saying. 255 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,059 Speaker 4: You know, that practical thing, like you have permission to 256 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 4: challenge what I'm telling you. 257 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: It's kind of freeing. 258 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 4: You know, you think you're going to be judged, but 259 00:12:50,260 --> 00:12:52,300 Speaker 4: it's freeing to know it's kind of a safe zone, 260 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:52,700 Speaker 4: isn't it? 261 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:53,810 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. 262 00:12:53,820 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: Now people need, almost anyone in your life needs to 263 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: know that it's safe to do that, you know, because 264 00:13:02,179 --> 00:13:03,740 Speaker 3: it has to almost be an invitation. 265 00:13:04,020 --> 00:13:05,300 Speaker 2: But if you don't have that, you need it. 266 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: I don't know that anyone doesn't need that kind of 267 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:09,860 Speaker 3: voice in their lives. 268 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: You can get stuck in your own head and wrong thinking. So, okay, 269 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 4: based on that then, how do you coach people to 270 00:13:18,990 --> 00:13:22,670 Speaker 4: recognize the difference between like conviction from the Holy Spirit? 271 00:13:22,730 --> 00:13:25,229 Speaker 4: That's what we're supposed to have. That's right and true. 272 00:13:25,550 --> 00:13:28,730 Speaker 1: But then there's also condemnation. from the enemy. 273 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:33,370 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Bible says of the enemy that he's a liar. 274 00:13:33,630 --> 00:13:36,250 Speaker 3: That's his native language, that all he does is lie. 275 00:13:36,270 --> 00:13:37,209 Speaker 2: He just lies, lies, lies. 276 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:40,809 Speaker 3: And recognizing the kinds of lies that he likes to tell. 277 00:13:41,050 --> 00:13:45,090 Speaker 3: The Holy Spirit is the truth teller, speaks truth. And 278 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:47,610 Speaker 3: so if I am listening for the lies of the enemy, 279 00:13:47,750 --> 00:13:49,890 Speaker 3: those lies are going to come almost always in the 280 00:13:49,929 --> 00:13:52,350 Speaker 3: form of some accusation. It's going to have at the 281 00:13:52,390 --> 00:13:56,110 Speaker 3: heart of it an accusation because shame is is one 282 00:13:56,130 --> 00:13:57,010 Speaker 3: of his favorite tools. 283 00:13:57,950 --> 00:13:59,990 Speaker 2: He wants you to be caught up in shame. 284 00:14:00,070 --> 00:14:02,990 Speaker 3: Those lies are going to come against the character of God, 285 00:14:03,290 --> 00:14:06,870 Speaker 3: make you question just as he did in the garden. 286 00:14:06,890 --> 00:14:10,340 Speaker 3: Did God really say where he questions what God has said? 287 00:14:10,510 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: And so learning to discern that language, learning the language 288 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: he speaks, that when you're hearing accusations about yourself, when 289 00:14:19,620 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: you're hearing lies about who God is and the character 290 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,290 Speaker 3: of God and what contradicts scripture, you'll start to recognize it. 291 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,820 Speaker 3: And then asking the Holy Spirit to be your partner 292 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 3: in this. 293 00:14:31,140 --> 00:14:32,050 Speaker 2: He's the one. 294 00:14:32,510 --> 00:14:35,729 Speaker 3: Who gives you that, who has the power to help 295 00:14:35,770 --> 00:14:39,670 Speaker 3: you really change, really experience transformation. One of the things 296 00:14:39,690 --> 00:14:41,450 Speaker 3: that's so important to me in this book is that 297 00:14:41,490 --> 00:14:44,860 Speaker 3: it not be mistaken as a self-help book. 298 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,700 Speaker 2: That's not what it is. 299 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: There are ways that we are responsible for our thoughts 300 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,860 Speaker 3: to align them with God, but it's to be transformed 301 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: by him and by his spirit that we can't bring 302 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: about that transformation on our own. It's not to say 303 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,900 Speaker 3: that we can't have impact on our own lives, but 304 00:15:03,140 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: ultimately our hope is not in our self-empowerment. It's not 305 00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:12,580 Speaker 3: in our positive thinking. It's not in positive self-talk. 306 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:13,620 Speaker 2: Our hope is in God. 307 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,700 Speaker 3: And inviting him by the power of his spirit to 308 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: bring about that transformation in our lives. 309 00:15:19,330 --> 00:15:21,550 Speaker 1: But how nice that we're not responsible for that. 310 00:15:21,830 --> 00:15:24,670 Speaker 4: You know, we do our part, but oh, my goodness, 311 00:15:24,850 --> 00:15:28,430 Speaker 4: to allow to rest in God, you know, doing that transformation. 312 00:15:28,950 --> 00:15:30,670 Speaker 4: If you look at it the right way, I suppose 313 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: that's very freeing instead of convicting. 314 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. 315 00:15:34,940 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: Let's go back to that verse in Romans 12 where 316 00:15:37,060 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: it says, do not be conformed to the patterns of 317 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:41,140 Speaker 3: this world, but be transformed. 318 00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:42,350 Speaker 2: By the renewing of your mind. 319 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,950 Speaker 3: And that verb tense for be transformed is in the 320 00:15:46,990 --> 00:15:50,750 Speaker 3: passive imperative form, meaning that it's something that's done to you. 321 00:15:50,850 --> 00:15:53,330 Speaker 3: It's a passive tense, but it's also imperative. It's something 322 00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:55,609 Speaker 3: you need to do. And so the verb tense of 323 00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:59,130 Speaker 3: that helps us kind of live in this tension of 324 00:15:59,630 --> 00:16:03,130 Speaker 3: my part in the transforming work that God wants to do. 325 00:16:03,250 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: It's passive, but it's also imperative. 326 00:16:05,020 --> 00:16:08,020 Speaker 3: It's something that's done to us, but it happens when 327 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,340 Speaker 3: we take the initiative and we. 328 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: Don't let our thoughts be conformed to the patterns of 329 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:12,620 Speaker 2: this world. 330 00:16:13,540 --> 00:16:14,340 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. 331 00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 4: There's this battle, this spiritual battle, and you know, some 332 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,700 Speaker 4: people get, you know, really freaked out by that spiritual 333 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:38,900 Speaker 4: battle thing. So for somebody new to the idea, could 334 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:41,450 Speaker 4: you explain, in your opinion, what does it mean to 335 00:16:41,620 --> 00:16:46,230 Speaker 4: fight spiritually rather than just to think more positively? 336 00:16:46,250 --> 00:16:52,460 Speaker 3: Yeah, so 2 Corinthians 10 talks about strongholds that we have, 337 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,300 Speaker 3: and think of strongholds as lies that we live by, 338 00:16:56,100 --> 00:16:59,190 Speaker 3: usually not on purpose, but maybe it's a lie that 339 00:16:59,230 --> 00:17:01,310 Speaker 3: came from when we were young, or maybe it's a 340 00:17:01,330 --> 00:17:03,550 Speaker 3: lie that's just been repeated enough that we believed it, 341 00:17:03,630 --> 00:17:05,730 Speaker 3: or maybe it's a lie we believe because it got 342 00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:08,540 Speaker 3: attached to something traumatic that happened in our lives, but 343 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 3: it's a lie that we live by. But the Bible 344 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,420 Speaker 3: says in 2 Corinthians 10 that we've been given divine 345 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: weapons to tear down strongholds. Okay. divine weapons, that it's 346 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:22,090 Speaker 3: a supernatural power that we have access to. And then 347 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,729 Speaker 3: it says that the way we access these divine weapons 348 00:17:25,869 --> 00:17:29,710 Speaker 3: is by taking every thought captive and making them obedient 349 00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:32,690 Speaker 3: to Christ. And so to understand that what we're talking 350 00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:35,469 Speaker 3: about when we talk about every thought captive is we're 351 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:38,230 Speaker 3: not talking about psychology as much as we're talking about 352 00:17:38,330 --> 00:17:41,690 Speaker 3: spiritual warfare. In the book, I have a lot of 353 00:17:41,730 --> 00:17:46,290 Speaker 3: neuroscience information in there. But it's only because neuroscience affirms 354 00:17:46,910 --> 00:17:49,670 Speaker 3: and shows us, gives us a window into the truth 355 00:17:49,710 --> 00:17:52,900 Speaker 3: of Scripture in these ways, and that when we take 356 00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:54,699 Speaker 3: our thoughts captive, again, we don't just say, I'm going 357 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: to stop thinking that. We do our best to submit 358 00:17:57,619 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 3: it to Jesus. What that means is we take that 359 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 3: and we say, God, here's a thought pattern in my 360 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:03,770 Speaker 3: life that's whatever. 361 00:18:03,790 --> 00:18:07,169 Speaker 2: It's led to anger and bitterness. It's consuming me. 362 00:18:07,609 --> 00:18:09,129 Speaker 3: Here's a thought pattern in my life. It's led to 363 00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:12,300 Speaker 3: anxiety and fear. And I feel overwhelmed. Here's a thought 364 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,170 Speaker 3: pattern in my life that has caused me to be 365 00:18:15,310 --> 00:18:17,590 Speaker 3: more and more obsessed with pleasure or what. 366 00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:18,270 Speaker 2: I can get. 367 00:18:18,770 --> 00:18:20,909 Speaker 3: And it's what I've been living for. Okay, God, so 368 00:18:20,970 --> 00:18:23,350 Speaker 3: here's this thought pattern in my life. Help me submit 369 00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:25,580 Speaker 3: that to you. And the way that I'm going to 370 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 3: submit that to you is I'm going to take it captive. 371 00:18:28,859 --> 00:18:31,820 Speaker 3: And then I'm going to, with the help of God's word, 372 00:18:32,220 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 3: align that thought with what the Bible says is true. 373 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,970 Speaker 3: Instead of just what feels right or instead of the 374 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: way I've been thinking before. So let's say that the 375 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:45,660 Speaker 3: thought pattern that's holding me captive is bitterness. I'm going 376 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:48,110 Speaker 3: to then submit that. I'm going to do some spiritual warfare. 377 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:51,369 Speaker 3: I'm going to submit that to Jesus by spending time 378 00:18:51,490 --> 00:18:54,730 Speaker 3: thinking about not what's been done to me, but what's 379 00:18:54,770 --> 00:18:56,970 Speaker 3: been done for me. I'm going to spend some time 380 00:18:57,230 --> 00:19:00,609 Speaker 3: thinking about the fact that how I've been forgiven and 381 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:04,310 Speaker 3: recognizing that the forgiveness that's been given to me, I'm 382 00:19:04,330 --> 00:19:07,550 Speaker 3: going to give to others. So submitting the thought to 383 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:12,590 Speaker 3: Jesus is... I think it's hard work, but to understand 384 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:16,670 Speaker 3: it as spiritual warfare, not just some kind of psychological 385 00:19:16,930 --> 00:19:17,670 Speaker 3: best practice. 386 00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:18,390 Speaker 2: Good. 387 00:19:18,730 --> 00:19:19,350 Speaker 1: Well, okay. 388 00:19:19,369 --> 00:19:21,550 Speaker 4: You described then that our minds are kind of like 389 00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:25,889 Speaker 4: battlefields or mission field type of thing. And what's the 390 00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 4: difference between managing the thoughts? You were talking about that. 391 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:33,379 Speaker 1: I like that. And renewing them. Managing versus renewing thoughts. 392 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Managing. 393 00:19:36,990 --> 00:19:39,260 Speaker 3: The scripture that comes to my mind is when Paul says, 394 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:44,180 Speaker 3: I die daily. He describes following Jesus as a daily 395 00:19:44,260 --> 00:19:48,970 Speaker 3: dying to himself. I think of the scripture that says, 396 00:19:48,990 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 3: I'm not my own. I've been bought with a price. 397 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: I'm offering myself as a sacrifice to God. And so, 398 00:19:56,260 --> 00:19:58,420 Speaker 3: you know, the call to follow Jesus is not a 399 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: life management plan. It is an invitation to take up 400 00:20:03,940 --> 00:20:06,950 Speaker 3: your cross, to die to yourself, and to follow him. 401 00:20:07,890 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: And if you try to manage sin, you're going to 402 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: be in trouble. Like it was not meant to be managed. 403 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: It was meant to be crucified. It was meant to 404 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,770 Speaker 3: be put to death. And so recognizing that, you know, 405 00:20:21,810 --> 00:20:26,550 Speaker 3: there are certain thought patterns that we've got to break 406 00:20:26,609 --> 00:20:30,130 Speaker 3: free from. We don't try to manage them, but we 407 00:20:30,190 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: try with God's help to put those to death. 408 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,750 Speaker 1: Thank you. That's a good way of looking at it. 409 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:36,270 Speaker 3: All right. 410 00:20:36,290 --> 00:20:39,970 Speaker 4: We've talked a little bit about strongholds and their mental 411 00:20:40,010 --> 00:20:43,570 Speaker 4: pattern that feel unbreakable, whether they're known or not from 412 00:20:43,609 --> 00:20:47,570 Speaker 4: the cause. What hope would you offer somebody who has 413 00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:54,429 Speaker 4: tried everything and still feels, say, imprisoned by fear or shame? 414 00:20:54,450 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: Well, here's what I would do. I would challenge somebody 415 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: who feels that way to try something different. 416 00:21:01,780 --> 00:21:04,859 Speaker 2: Different in how they're practicing this discipline of taking every 417 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:05,379 Speaker 2: thought captive. 418 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,500 Speaker 3: Specifically, I would say, hey, take the first five minutes 419 00:21:08,540 --> 00:21:13,850 Speaker 3: of every morning and decide that those thoughts are thoughts 420 00:21:13,869 --> 00:21:16,149 Speaker 3: you're going to be really intentional with. Maybe that's in 421 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:18,409 Speaker 3: prayer or that's reading God's word out loud. 422 00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:19,430 Speaker 2: There's power in that. 423 00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:22,650 Speaker 3: But just for five minutes every morning, you're going to say, God, 424 00:21:22,670 --> 00:21:24,930 Speaker 3: I need your help for the rest of this day. 425 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,490 Speaker 2: I am really struggling. I've tried to win this battle. 426 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:29,310 Speaker 2: I feel like I keep losing. 427 00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:32,189 Speaker 3: And for the first First five minutes of your morning, 428 00:21:32,490 --> 00:21:36,010 Speaker 3: commit yourself to that. Ask God for his help. Pray 429 00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:39,149 Speaker 3: some prayers out loud. Read some scripture out loud. And 430 00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:41,850 Speaker 3: that might seem simple to some people. They think, well, 431 00:21:41,869 --> 00:21:44,330 Speaker 3: that's not going to make much difference. I would really 432 00:21:44,410 --> 00:21:47,930 Speaker 3: challenge people to try it. The people that I've worked 433 00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:50,170 Speaker 3: with and talked to and pastored and I've experienced in 434 00:21:50,190 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 3: my own life, if you'll spend 30 days doing that, you. 435 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: Will see the needle move. 436 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 3: You will experience some freedom in your life. You'll experience 437 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:02,090 Speaker 3: some empowerment. just by taking the first five, 10 minutes 438 00:22:02,109 --> 00:22:05,090 Speaker 3: of every morning and being intentional with your thinking. 439 00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:06,670 Speaker 1: That's great. 440 00:22:07,390 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 4: I want you to help me with something. We treat 441 00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 4: scripture like a band-aid sometimes. You know, you slap on 442 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: a verse and then you move on, but you argue 443 00:22:17,619 --> 00:22:21,899 Speaker 4: for more. How do we actually internalize God's word so 444 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 4: it shapes our thoughts long-term? 445 00:22:24,980 --> 00:22:28,740 Speaker 3: You know, I referenced this just briefly about when I 446 00:22:29,060 --> 00:22:31,830 Speaker 3: was talking about The power of reading God's word. You 447 00:22:31,869 --> 00:22:34,689 Speaker 3: might have heard me notice that I said out loud. 448 00:22:34,930 --> 00:22:35,210 Speaker 2: Yes. 449 00:22:35,410 --> 00:22:37,669 Speaker 3: It turns out that when we say things out loud, 450 00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: our brains pay closer attention. Like when your mind hears 451 00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: you say a thought out loud, it leans in and wants. 452 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: To believe it. It can work for you or. 453 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: Against you, but there's a lot of power in speaking 454 00:22:51,460 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: God's word out loud. And we see this prioritized throughout 455 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 3: scripture where God doesn't just tell his people to read. Yeah. 456 00:22:58,150 --> 00:23:00,070 Speaker 2: But to read the word of God out loud. 457 00:23:00,109 --> 00:23:03,470 Speaker 3: Like that's a discipline. And so one of the things 458 00:23:03,570 --> 00:23:06,699 Speaker 3: I would challenge people to do on this is to 459 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:09,979 Speaker 3: not just think about God's word, but to identify scripture 460 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,459 Speaker 3: verse and then to speak it, to speak it out 461 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 3: loud with faith. 462 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: Like there's real power in this. 463 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,570 Speaker 3: And so maybe that looks like, you know, when you're 464 00:23:18,590 --> 00:23:20,490 Speaker 3: in the shower in the morning, having a few verses 465 00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: that you speak out loud. Maybe it's On your commute 466 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,700 Speaker 3: to work, having a few verses in your car that 467 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,540 Speaker 3: you say them out loud, you speak them out loud. 468 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: Or in the morning when you wake up and you're 469 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:31,659 Speaker 3: looking in the mirror getting ready, you look yourself in 470 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,180 Speaker 3: the eye and you speak God's word to yourself out loud. 471 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,619 Speaker 2: Just that practice alone has. 472 00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:41,470 Speaker 3: The power to disrupt patterns of thinking that have had 473 00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:41,830 Speaker 3: a grip. 474 00:23:42,430 --> 00:23:43,030 Speaker 1: That's great. 475 00:23:43,570 --> 00:23:46,090 Speaker 4: You share stories of people in your book whose lives 476 00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:48,929 Speaker 4: were radically changed when they started winning the battle in 477 00:23:48,970 --> 00:23:52,870 Speaker 4: their minds. Can you share one maybe that especially encouraged you? 478 00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: Let's see if one comes to mind. Yeah, I have 479 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 3: a friend, a good friend, whose dad. 480 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 2: Died when he was in the fifth grade. 481 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:01,900 Speaker 3: Okay. 482 00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: My friend was in the fifth grade when his dad died. 483 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,780 Speaker 3: And there was a thought that got connected to him 484 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: at that time. And here's the thought that was holding 485 00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:12,330 Speaker 3: him captive until he was in his 50s. The thought was, 486 00:24:13,090 --> 00:24:14,370 Speaker 3: nobody understands how you feel. 487 00:24:14,890 --> 00:24:15,610 Speaker 2: Nobody understands. 488 00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:18,830 Speaker 3: God doesn't understand how you feel. Your mom doesn't understand 489 00:24:18,869 --> 00:24:21,889 Speaker 3: how you feel. Nobody understands how you feel. And one 490 00:24:21,910 --> 00:24:23,710 Speaker 3: of the things that can happen for us is that 491 00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 3: a certain thought that accompanies something traumatic like that can 492 00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 3: form a neural pathway in our minds that marks us 493 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:33,900 Speaker 3: for a long time. 494 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,859 Speaker 2: And so that lie that. 495 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,070 Speaker 3: Nobody understands how I feel had caused him to keep 496 00:24:39,109 --> 00:24:42,190 Speaker 3: his distance from people. It caused him to withdraw, that 497 00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:45,449 Speaker 3: he didn't share his sadness, which is very lonely in 498 00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:47,869 Speaker 3: life if you feel like you can't share sadness with someone. 499 00:24:48,170 --> 00:24:49,300 Speaker 2: And so for him. 500 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,820 Speaker 3: Being able to take that thought captive and to recognize 501 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,939 Speaker 3: where it started helped him find freedom from that. To see, okay, 502 00:24:59,290 --> 00:25:01,929 Speaker 3: since I was a kid, I've believed this idea that 503 00:25:01,970 --> 00:25:04,230 Speaker 3: nobody understands how I feel, that God doesn't understand how 504 00:25:04,290 --> 00:25:08,490 Speaker 3: I feel. And to watch what that has done, being 505 00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:11,250 Speaker 3: set free from that lie, what that has done for 506 00:25:11,290 --> 00:25:14,570 Speaker 3: his relationships with other people and with God, it's been 507 00:25:14,609 --> 00:25:18,369 Speaker 3: a transforming truth in his life. But that thought had 508 00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:19,650 Speaker 3: been holding him captive. 509 00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:19,870 Speaker 2: For a long time. 510 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: Boy, the sweet release he must have felt. Okay. 511 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 4: If somebody remembers one thing from your book, what do 512 00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 4: you hope it is? 513 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: And how could that truth shape their tomorrow? 514 00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: I think the one thing that I would want people 515 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,300 Speaker 3: to have underlined is probably captured in the title, you know, 516 00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:46,220 Speaker 3: Every Thought Captive, that every thought you think is defining 517 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: who you are. We're just so careless about I mean, 518 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,979 Speaker 3: we all are. We're so careless with the input we have, 519 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,460 Speaker 3: what we give our eyes to and ears to. We're 520 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 3: careless with the words we speak about ourselves and about 521 00:25:58,340 --> 00:26:02,020 Speaker 3: our circumstances. We don't pay that close of attention to 522 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 3: our thoughts. If you think about watching your thoughts like 523 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,220 Speaker 3: you might watch your food for health, we don't pay 524 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,700 Speaker 3: that much attention to what we consume. And my challenge 525 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,169 Speaker 3: for people would be to not underestimate the power of 526 00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:19,270 Speaker 3: your thinking. You know, it's the law of cognition and 527 00:26:19,310 --> 00:26:20,790 Speaker 3: psychology that what you think. 528 00:26:20,670 --> 00:26:21,810 Speaker 2: About determines who you are. 529 00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:26,170 Speaker 3: But that comes right out of scripture, that your thoughts 530 00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:28,750 Speaker 3: determine your life. And so, you know, if you want 531 00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:34,330 Speaker 3: to experience God's transforming power in your life, understand the 532 00:26:34,410 --> 00:26:37,300 Speaker 3: role that your thoughts are playing in all of that 533 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 3: and take every thought captive. 534 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, to our listeners, thank you for listening. 535 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,380 Speaker 4: We hope you were inspired by Kyle's message and feel 536 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,420 Speaker 4: like you are maybe able to take a step closer 537 00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:52,300 Speaker 4: to finding your freedom and your peace in the process 538 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,300 Speaker 4: of taking every thought captive with some practical steps and tools. 539 00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 4: If you haven't already done so, I encourage you to 540 00:26:59,140 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 4: subscribe to the podcast so you won't miss a single 541 00:27:01,550 --> 00:27:05,870 Speaker 4: episode and rate it because it encourages both Jennifer, me 542 00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:06,670 Speaker 4: and our guests. 543 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: So share it with your friends. 544 00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:11,830 Speaker 4: And until next time, may you live as one who 545 00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:13,030 Speaker 4: has been set free.