1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey, friend, Heather Creek work here. Thanks for 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: listening to the Compared to You podcast today. Today my 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: guest is Morgan Krueger, and she said Jesus follower away 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: a mom and she's an author who's found her voice 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: connecting with women who seek freedom from the brokenness of 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: past shame. And today Morgan and I have just a 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: fantastic conversation about the reality of living for Jesus versus 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: living for self. I mean everything in our culture, self improvement, 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: self awareness, self self self like. We are so programmed 10 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 1: to think of self and magnify self. But what does 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: it mean as a Christ follower to magnify Jesus? And 12 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: as I found it, as I've taught y'all before, it's 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: the freedom of self forgetfulness that actually helps us be 14 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: free from so many of these issues that bog us down. 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: So that's where Morgan and I go today. I think 16 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna love this conversation. And hey, I hope you're 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: on my friends list. Go to improve bodymage dot com. 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: You can take a Bodymache quiz and then we'll be 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: connected so you don't miss a thing coming out on 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: this show. I'm glad you're here, let's go. Morgan Krueger, 21 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Compared To podcast. 22 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: Heather, thanks for having me. This is so fun. 23 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: Yes, well, it's fun to connect with you, and I 24 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: think it would be super helpful for people listening today. 25 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna kind of talk about what does it really 26 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: mean to live for something more? Like were we made 27 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: for something more? We were? We know that, Oh that's 28 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: so cliche, Morgan, But today I hope that we can 29 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: together encourage the listeners that it's true. But often God 30 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: has to take us on our own journeys to really 31 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: show us how that's true. And I'm wondering if to 32 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: start today, you could just share what's your journey been, like, 33 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: why is this important to you? Why is this something 34 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: you like to talk about? 35 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 2: Yeah? 36 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Well, honestly, I kind of trace it back to 37 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 3: when I was a little girl. And obviously there's so 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: many things I could share about our upbringing. 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: But you know, our time is so valuable. 40 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: But as I think about some of my earliest memories, Heather, 41 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: I really struggled to live for the approval of man. 42 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: We call it a scripture calls it fear of man, 43 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 3: and just to simplify that for all my friends out there, 44 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: it's just being really concerned with what others think of you, 45 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: and even the concern of what I think of myself, 46 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: which I think is a really interesting thing in our 47 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: culture right now. A lot of peopleeople would say, well, 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: that is one of the most important things, how you 49 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: see yourself. And that was a lot of my story 50 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: for so many years, and I kind of wrestled with 51 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: that apart from Jesus. I've wrestled with that with Jesus, 52 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: and I will say kind of a a stake in 53 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: the ground moment for me was a couple of years ago. 54 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: I had been walking with Jesus for years, but I 55 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: found myself over time starting to identify my life and 56 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: my identity with things that are good things. And I 57 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: know a lot of people listening can relate with this. 58 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: A good thing can become a bad thing if it's 59 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: even if it's a God thing, if it takes the 60 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: place above our identity and Christ And so what I 61 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: will say to get into that is a couple of 62 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: years ago, I went through a lot of changes at once, 63 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: which I know the women out there listening can relate 64 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: with that. 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: Just seasons of change. 66 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: They come and they go, and a lot of times 67 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: they hit us really fast without us even being able 68 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: to brace for them. And so all in the span 69 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: of a couple months, Heather, I had a job change, 70 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: we moved from one state to another, and I also 71 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: was expecting my first baby. So body changes, job changes, 72 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: location changes. It was like one change after another. And 73 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that any of that was bad. They 74 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 3: were beautiful things of God moved me from one season 75 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: to another. But all of a sudden, everything that I 76 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: subconsciously identified with was stripped away. Who am I apart 77 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: from work? Who am I apart from what I see 78 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: when I look in the mirror? Who am I apart 79 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: from this community that I'm no longer in? And so 80 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: it made me kind of seek, obviously the word of God, 81 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: Lord speak into this. Where did I kind of drift 82 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: here and start to identify myself with things other than you? 83 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: And He brought me to Ephesians four, and Paul basically 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: talks about he calls the Ephesians children, He says in fence, 85 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: children who are tossed to and fro by the waves 86 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: of cunning doctrine and ideas of the time. And I 87 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: just thought Lord, that's me. Even though I'm in Christ, 88 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: I'm really struggling with that right now. So Lord, help 89 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: me find a way to magnify you above my circumstances, 90 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: above my body, above my work. Help me lift my 91 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: eyes off myself and help me find freedom in that. 92 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: And you know, I think Heather a lot of times. 93 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: Is the last thing I'll say about it. We could 94 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: be so afraid to take our eyes off ourself. 95 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 2: Because we as women. 96 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: I know, Heather, we're new friends, but I have a 97 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: feeling we have a lot in common. We probably both 98 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: love a to do list, right, We love to check 99 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: things off our list. We love to kind of manage everything, 100 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: and because of that, our mental load is just constantly 101 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: going crazy. But I think we have this fear of 102 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: if we take our eyes off ourself for a second, 103 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: who's going to take care of us? And my encouragement 104 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: to the women out there today as we kind of 105 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,559 Speaker 3: close this thought is like we are invited to take 106 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: our eyes off of ourselves, not from a place of 107 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: neglecting ourselves, but actually out of a place of deep 108 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: trust that as we look to him, He's going to 109 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: take care of us. He's gonna he sees our desires. 110 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: He has good plans for our life. And so it's it's, it's, it's. 111 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: It can be scary sometimes to take our eyes off ourselves. 112 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 3: But what I have found is when we deeply know 113 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: that our father has got us, we have this new 114 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: ability and new courage and freedom to take our eyes 115 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: off ourself. 116 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it so much, Morgan. 117 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: And yes, we don't know each other very well, so 118 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: you don't know that. Like my whole ministry started after 119 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: reading Tim Keller's The Freedom of Self Forgetfulness, Like that 120 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: changed everything for me. And right now I'm writing a 121 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: book for Moody on the concept of like fear and 122 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: growing faith. And so that's part of what I'm like 123 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: sitting in now is what you just mentioned. Like it. 124 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: It is a little scary to think, uh oh, but 125 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: if I don't control this, if I'm not like tightly 126 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: clenched and really worrying, right, if I'm not worrying about this, 127 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: like will I be safe? Will I be okay? Right? 128 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: And that's not trust, is it? 129 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: That's right? 130 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: And those are the questions I think deep down, if 131 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: we're honest with ourselves, we're all asking and Heather, I 132 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: love that you just brought that book up, because that 133 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: was such an inspiration for me just in that season 134 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: of life. And for all our friends who maybe haven't 135 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: read that book, I would encourage you to do so, 136 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: Heather is nodding. That is obviously a book that has 137 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: changed her life. And it's so small. It's an easy 138 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: read friends, so you can even get it and download 139 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: it like on your phone or kindle or anything. But 140 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: basically the premise and something that really stuck with me, 141 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: which I'm sure it has you as well, Heather Is. 142 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: He basically says, and I don't want to miss tell 143 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: me if I miss quote him a little bit, but 144 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: to paraphrase, he says, you know, the freedom of self 145 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: forgetfulness is not thinking less of ourselves, neglecting ourselves. He says, 146 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: it's not thinking less of ourselves, it's thinking of our 147 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: self less. And freedom comes when we are less concerned 148 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: with our day to day worries and more concerned with 149 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: a God who is worthy of the glory. And as 150 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: he is the God of the universe, he's got us 151 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: and there's. 152 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: A deep freedom in that. 153 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: And so oh, I love that. Well, sign me up. 154 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: I will be the first to be reading that book 155 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: from you. 156 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. I even I saw a Jordan Peterson 157 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: reel and I don't think, you know, Jordan knows the Bible, 158 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: but I don't think he's come around to acknowledging any 159 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: type of actual like personal faith. But he did it 160 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: real recently and it was the same thing, and I 161 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: was like, you just need to read Collor's Freedom of 162 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: Self forgetful of this. But he was talking about how 163 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: most of us try to cure our He didn't use 164 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: the term low self esteem, but you know we try 165 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: to cure our self obsession by I just need to 166 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: like fix all the things and then if I could, 167 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: then I would just think better of myself. And what 168 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: ends up happening is just think about yourself more and 169 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: more and more. And so even Jordan Peterson came around 170 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: to like, no, actually, you need to start thinking about 171 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: things better than yourself, like be in community, like have 172 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: a job to do in that community, caring for other 173 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: people and thinking about other people's needs. And I was like, yeah, 174 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: that's I mean, it's it's that's what works. 175 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: What works. 176 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: And I love that people of every walk of life 177 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: right now are almost sensing that there was a recent 178 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: Barnas survey that talked about people's deepest worries right now 179 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 3: in life, and I think it was like forty two 180 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: percent said that their biggest worry is is fear of 181 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: the future, fear of what will come. And I think 182 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: that's led to so many of our control issues. But 183 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: you know, I love that again, especially for women. We 184 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: resonate with certain scriptures maybe over others, and we love 185 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: to talk about them. They could be like buzz scriptures, 186 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: but there's a reason for them. And I think in 187 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: Luke ten, this is the story of Martha Mary and 188 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: is so fundamental for this understanding that like God knows, 189 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: you know, like Jesus entered into her home and she 190 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: has this call of stewardship. I know, when I have 191 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: friends coming over, I want to fluff those pillows, I 192 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: want to do X y Z. 193 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: But when we. 194 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: Sacrifice what Jesus calls in that passage as the one thing, 195 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: he said, Mary has chosen the one thing that's necessary. 196 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: It is not going to be taken away from her. 197 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: When we decide to put even good things like stewardship 198 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: or our bodies or all these things that are good, 199 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: and that God calls us to a life of stewardship. 200 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: When we put them above him, that that order gets 201 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: so disordered. And that's where we can have all these 202 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: think good things going on, but if they're not in 203 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 3: the right order, then they're going to cause control, maybe 204 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: idle of comfort, anxiety, different things like that. And you know, 205 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: I love to say this, like, way before God Jesus 206 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,239 Speaker 3: gave us the great commission, he gave us the great invitation, 207 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: way before he ever said go and make disciples, he said, 208 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 3: come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, 209 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: and I will give you rest. And I think I'm 210 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 3: really good for me at the going. I'm not really 211 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: good at the coming. 212 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: All the time. You tell me to go, and I 213 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 2: will go. 214 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: You tell me to come, and I'm going to push 215 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: back on that naturally in my spirit. 216 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: And so you know, the going is great and. 217 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: The coming is great, but I think we've got to 218 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 3: get the order right first, come and then go, and 219 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: I think from there it's I'm not trying to dwindle 220 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: our worries down to a formula, because Jesus is so 221 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 3: much better than a formula. But I will say there 222 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: is a beauty in getting that order, right, Yeah. 223 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: And Morgan, what you just said, right, I know a 224 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: lot of exhausted Christian women exhausted, Right, We're not exempt 225 00:11:54,520 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: from the cultures. You know, imperative to be busy all 226 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: the time, and that takes a toll, you know, and 227 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: the come to me invitation, Right, that's the place to start. 228 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: But then I don't know, I think we have to 229 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: think more carefully about the go, like what is the go? 230 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: Like if my go is directed by the hundred reels 231 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: that I watched yesterday, Like, what's that's exhausting? Right, But 232 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: that's not what Jesus is saying when he says go, right, 233 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: it's it's a with him on mission, kingdom purpose, kingdom 234 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: minded go And yeah, it's it's easy to get caught 235 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: up in what culture demands of us. 236 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: Is absolutely yeah. 237 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: And I love that you mentioned that because I think that, 238 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: apart from the Holy Spirit, we don't have the ability 239 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: within ourselves to identify what our best yeses are because 240 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: we might be met with some great I know, for me, 241 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: in the past year, Heather, I've been invited into things, 242 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: or given opportunities or you know, something laid before me 243 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: that face value. 244 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: I'm like this is good, this is great. 245 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: But sometimes our best yes is to say no and 246 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: to trust God even when it's a good thing. And 247 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: you know, for me, I think, I think, just speak 248 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: to this. When we get that order wrong, we're going, going, going, 249 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 3: and we're not coming or and so we don't know 250 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 3: our best yeses. 251 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: We can start to move really fast. 252 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: We can outrun and I know it's so cliche, but 253 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: we can outrun kind of that pace of grace of 254 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 3: meet me in the moment, discern invite me into every 255 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 3: single thing that you're doing, which also feels extreme in 256 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: our culture, but it's true. Jesus wants to be invited 257 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 3: into every decision that we're making. And so for me, 258 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: I could even think about the past two weeks, things 259 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: have gotten a little crazy. I have, you know, two 260 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 3: little boys at home, I have a baby on the way. 261 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: We have so many moving parts in our season, and 262 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: I can look back and I've had to confess to 263 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: the Lord and to some friends even in the past 264 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 3: couple weeks, like hey, I think I think I said 265 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: yes or gave myself over to some things that God 266 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: was kind of prompting my heart to bring to him, 267 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: and instead I just was like, yes, great, yes, yes, 268 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: move past it, and something's kind of came back around, 269 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: and I was like, man, I wish I would have 270 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: paused there. I wish I would have come to him, 271 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: and I wish I would have slowed down enough. Jesus, 272 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: you know, I love to think about this. He could 273 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: have been born in any era that he wanted to. 274 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: He's God. 275 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 3: He was born in a time that maybe was one 276 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: of the slowest in history, right, And we never see 277 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: in any recorded passage in the Gospels Jesus running. 278 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: He didn't run. Now, the Father ran in that prodigal son, 279 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: you know. Parable. 280 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: But at the same time, Jesus's life here on earth 281 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: was never one of hurry or hustle or haste. And 282 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: I think it's a reminder that he's also inviting us 283 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: into that slowness, Like slow downb enough to hear my voice, 284 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: so that you can be a woman who discerns, like 285 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: you're saying, Heather, what our best Yes, really is. 286 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: This concept of following Jesus. Oh, Like, I don't want 287 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: a stereotype, so I'm just revealing myself in this, okay, 288 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: But I have a feeling that everyone can relate to 289 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: this following Jesus in the West means, oh, good morning God, 290 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: here's the twenty seven things I have to do today. 291 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: It looks like I'm going to need your help with three, six, nine, 292 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: oh fifteen could be tricky too. I got the rest, 293 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, See you soon. When when I'm feeling 294 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: a little uncertain this afternoon, right, and it's that's not following, right, 295 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: and so really like reorienting our hearts to like the 296 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: disciple didn't wake up each morning and do that. It 297 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: was like, what do you have planned for us? 298 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: Lord? 299 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know about going there? Like why are 300 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: we walking this direction? But it wasn't here's my agenda. 301 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: Let's let's compare and see how the two line up? 302 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: Or can I just work you in like I was 303 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: planning on doing this today, Maybe you could just come 304 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: along with me instead? 305 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: Right? 306 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: And have we just distorted what it means to follow 307 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: Jesus because we're so competent, because we have, you know, 308 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: so much perceived control over things. I mean, I think 309 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: I think this is a call for us to reorder things, right. 310 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: Yep, yeap. 311 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: And what a beautiful invitation I know for me, I 312 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: went a lot of years Heather with a shame mentality 313 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: of like what you're saying, when I was that girl, 314 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: when I am that girl, the old me, and again 315 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: I still struggle in so many ways, but that shame 316 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: that God has actually done so much in my life 317 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 3: would tell me. 318 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: Like, oh, you've blown it again. And shame always. 319 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: We see this in the garden in Genesis three, and 320 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: it attaches itself to our identity and tells us what 321 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: you've done is disqualifying you to return back to God. 322 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: And I love to point this out. In Genesis three, 323 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: we know that shame attaches itself to our identity because 324 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: when Adam and Eve ate of that fruit, they didn't 325 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: cover the fruit. They never covered the object of their failure. 326 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: They covered themselves. And so I think that shows that 327 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: shame for us can run really deep. But what I 328 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: love about what you're saying is when we fall short, 329 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 3: when we're so trusting in the invitation. Jesus didn't just 330 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: say come to me one time in Matthew eleven and 331 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: you get this one shot and if you don't stay here, 332 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 3: then you're out, you. 333 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: Know, like you didn't say that. 334 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: He was making a declaration and a statement that we 335 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: have this moment by moment, day by day invitation to 336 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: come back to the table of surrender. And so I 337 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: know for me like what you're describing, and again don't 338 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: want to speak for any listeners, but I think we're 339 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 3: all the same in this way that we forget what 340 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: you're saying, that he should be at the forefront of 341 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: every decision, not the afterthought or not the add on. 342 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: You know, he's not guacamole at Chipotle. It his obol. 343 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: He's everything. 344 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: And so with that, if anyone out there is like 345 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: ough like, I relate with that, but I feel so 346 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 3: ashamed because I can't quite get this right and I 347 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 3: keep making plans without him, or I keep neglecting my 348 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: time with him. I would just say, friend, receive grace 349 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 3: in this moment. Jesus knew you would stray again and 350 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: again and again. But to circle back to what we 351 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: talked about, there's something that happens when we decide to 352 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: take our eyes off of ourself and not make it 353 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 3: about willing ourselves into change, not willing ourself into putting 354 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 3: Jesus first. We just looked to him and we become 355 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 3: in love with him, and we aw Towzer has this 356 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 3: amazing quote and I'll you know, I can't get it perfect. 357 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: But to paraphrase, he just says, when the eyes looking 358 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 3: in meet the eyes of the God looking in, heaven 359 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: has begun here, right here on earth. And with that 360 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: life change actually just happens. When we look to him. 361 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 3: We're conformed by him, We're changed by him and transformed. 362 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: And so if anyone out there is like, yeah, I 363 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: just I am the woman that Heather just described, I 364 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: just want to encourage you. You are not too far gone. 365 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: You were invited back to the table of surrendered today 366 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: and take him at his word that he will give 367 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: you rest. 368 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: Yes, I love that. And also, I don't know, I 369 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: feel like I need to say this, but it's it's 370 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: dangerous territory to tread in. We can stay stuck in 371 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: shame because of our pride right where it's it's we're 372 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: believing the lives of shame, but we're also believing this 373 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: prideful lie that says I'm worse than everyone else. So 374 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't deserve to ever, you know, I don't deserve 375 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: grace really, right, And it's it's the flip. It's the 376 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: opposite side of the pride coin because most of the 377 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: time we think about pride as being like, well, I'm 378 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: too good, like I don't need it, like I'm the best, right, 379 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: But pride can also be just being stuck in I'm 380 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: the worst, I'll never get better. It's you know, it's 381 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: just grace isn't enough for me, And that's just a 382 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: lie too, And so seeing that shame like you said, absolutely, 383 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: and if you feel stuck there, oh goodness, maybe it's 384 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: time to just say, okay, Lord, is this a pride problem? 385 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: Like pride is the sneakiest, right, It's so insidious, it 386 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: works its way in and just hides in the corner. 387 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: They're oh, oh that's my pride. Oh I see it now, 388 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: and so looking for that pride because you're not the worstest, 389 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: you are not too bad for grace, that is, there's 390 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: no such thing. 391 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a beautiful I'm so glad you said that. 392 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: Because we can think of pride just be just being 393 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: owning our successes, but it's also. 394 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: Like dwelling on our failures. It's if I win, that's 395 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: on me. If I lose, that's on me. 396 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: And ultimately, Jesus invites us to lay down that pride 397 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 3: of like nothing and see us Lewis and Tim Keller 398 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: talk about this beautifully. Tim Keller says, basically, like, we 399 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: have this mentality to be like, yes, Jesus, it's all God, 400 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: But but I did the work too, And He's like, 401 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: who gave you the ability to do the work, who 402 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 3: gave you the brain, who gave you the plans and 403 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: put you in touch with the right. It was all him. 404 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: And with that we have nothing to boast it. We truly, truly, 405 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: truly don't. That doesn't mean self deprecation, but again it 406 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: means thinking less of myself and more about the plans 407 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: and the purposes of God. The same goes for our 408 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: failure when we blow it. Yes, we had a part 409 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 3: to play, but who are we to say that the 410 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 3: cross is not. 411 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: Greater than the sin? 412 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: And you know, this morning in the Bible, app I 413 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: read Isaiah fifty three six. I have it right here, 414 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: and I just think it was like so providential for 415 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 3: our conversation, Heather. It says, all we like sheep, have 416 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: gone astray. We have turned everyone to his own way. 417 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: And then it says, he says, and the Lord has 418 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 3: laid on him on Jesus. 419 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: The iniquity of us. 420 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: All so all of us have sinned and fallen short 421 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 3: of the glory of God. But truly, the beautiful part 422 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: is that even years before Jesus set foot on earth, 423 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 3: Isaiah prophesied that God would lay on Jesus all the 424 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: sin of the world. And so we can look to 425 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: the cross and we don't have to dwell in that shame. 426 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: We can kind of take. 427 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 3: Those medical four fig leaves off that were in Genesis 428 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 3: three and be clothed with this better. 429 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: Covering that we read in Isaiah fifty three. 430 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, love it. Good preaching there, Morgan. 431 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: Hey, good timing. Thank you, Bible app. 432 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: So you have a new book out, and I kind 433 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: of about some of these things. Would you just tell 434 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: us about the book and you know, maybe what we 435 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: could expect from it. 436 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so sweet. 437 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 3: So yes, my new book made to magnify Choosing to 438 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 3: live for Jesus when everything tells you to live for 439 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: yourself was kind of a book birthed out of the 440 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 3: season that I shared a lot of changes at one time, 441 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: a lot of false identity stripped from me. And I 442 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: remember actually in that season as well, reading in Luke Won, 443 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: and I was becoming a mom for the first time. 444 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, I want to read about 445 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: Jesus's mother and just in a new way and kind 446 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: of just it gave it a new perspective for me. 447 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: And I'll never forget that prayer that she cried out 448 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: to God after Elizabeth had prophesied over her about the 449 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 3: coming of her child and who he would be. And 450 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 3: you know, if we do a little bit of digging, 451 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: like culturally in that day, this was not good news 452 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 3: by the world standard, this was not good news that Mary, 453 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: an unwed young girl, was having a baby. This technically, 454 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's hard for us to understand this, 455 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: but that could have been a death sentence for her. 456 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 3: And instead of dwelling on self, she had very reason, 457 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: very real reasons if she had chosen to dwell on herself. 458 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: But she her eyes were so fixated on her Savior 459 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: that in the midst of everything going on, she just 460 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 3: looks up. I love to think, you know, our holy 461 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 3: imagination kicks in. She just looked up to Heaven in 462 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: that moment, and she said, my soul magnifies the Lord, 463 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 3: and the Spirit of God rejoices in my Savior. And 464 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: I just think about that, and I remember in that season, 465 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: That word magnify just really stuck out to me, and 466 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: so started to do some research what did she mean 467 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 3: when she said the word magnify. And the most simple 468 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: kind of way I could sum it up is to 469 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: magnify just means to make great. And what hit me, Heather, 470 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: is that by nature, we are creatures that are made 471 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: to me. But we are going to wake up every 472 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: morning and we are either going to magnify ourselves and 473 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: our pursuits and our desires and our bodies and our 474 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 3: appearance and our approval and everything. We're going to magnify that. 475 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 3: We're going to magnify Jesus. We're going to magnify his plants, 476 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: his purposes. Again, not out of a place of neglecting self, 477 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 3: but out of a place of deep trust that as 478 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: we make our life centered around him, He's got us. 479 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 3: He's going to provide for us. He's going to make 480 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: our life flourish in his name. And so anyways, that's 481 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 3: really where the book came out of. And I take 482 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 3: a look at our cultural moment we're living in. God 483 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 3: taught me so much about that. But what I found 484 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: heatherto is like, it's so easy for us to blame culture, you. 485 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 2: Know, like, oh, we're in a culture war. Oh the 486 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 2: culture is affecting me. 487 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 3: Of course those things are true, that culture has a deep, 488 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 3: profound impact on us. But I'm gonna say the hard truth. 489 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: It's out there, yeah, but it's really in here. Like 490 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: it's easy for me to blame culture, but I woke 491 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 3: up this morning with this natural bend toward myself. 492 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: And my kids don't make that much easier. But at 493 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: the same. 494 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 3: Time, I have this invitation to return and to once 495 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: again say, God, I place you in the center of 496 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 3: my life. 497 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make great something. Let it be your name. 498 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 499 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you don't know this either, but my first 500 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: book did not get published with this title, but it 501 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: was pitched with the title stop blaming Barbie for the 502 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: same reason, because I was like, man, we gotta like 503 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: our issues. Our body issues are not just because we 504 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: played with plastic Barbie dolls that had unrealistic proportions. Like 505 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: this is a heart issue, this is an idolatry issue. 506 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: This is me waking up every day thinking about to 507 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: use the magnification language, right, like how do I make 508 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: myself great? Like what can Heather do to make Heather 509 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: great today? What does it take for Heather to be great? 510 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: And like in that, I mean it cou's even grosser. 511 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you get to this in 512 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: the book or not, but like my own desire for glory, right, 513 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: Like I really somehow think it would be cool for 514 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: God and I to share, you know, I don't want 515 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: all the glory like he can have like ninety seven percent, 516 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: maybe just like three percent right here, And that's gross 517 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: right like that, No, no, I can't do that. And 518 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean the waking up each morning, like 519 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: how do I make your name great? Like what does 520 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: that look like? Like that's a different thing. And that 521 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: is a heart thing or not just a cultural thing. 522 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm glad you said that. 523 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: I know, I feel like our hearts are so aligned 524 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: on this, Like ultimately it's it's it's not as much 525 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: of an out there issue. We need to be people, 526 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: especially Kingdom people who are aware of the cultural moment 527 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: we're living in and the impact it has on us. 528 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 3: But you're so right, it's an issue of the heart. 529 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 3: It is, like Isaiah says, it is that we are 530 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: the sheep and we have gone astray. Nothing made us 531 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 3: go astray, but it's our nature to go astray, and 532 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: so what invitation does he have for us to return? 533 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: And yes, I talk a lot about just the John Tyson. 534 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: I love him. 535 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: He calls it a glory deficit and then he says, 536 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: we try to fill it with these micro glory voids, 537 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 3: and he's like yeah. He kind of speaks into this 538 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, the new outfit will feel good, Yeah, 539 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 3: the applause will feel good. Yeah, that botox is going 540 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 3: to feel good. But none of that is going to last. 541 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 3: It's all going to fade away, and as we see 542 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 3: in Revelation, there will be a day where we are 543 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: met face to face before the throne and everything will 544 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 3: be made so clear. And on that day, I want 545 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 3: to say that I gave my life to that king, 546 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 3: to that lamb who was slain, and so you know, again, 547 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: we're not gonna And I actually end the book with like, hey, 548 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: here's how to stay the course and here's the grace 549 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: for when you fall, you know, because we again we 550 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 3: are going to wrestle with us for the rest of 551 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: our lives. But I love that Jesus offers us something 552 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: so much better than a ten step program or something 553 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: so much better than a strategy or formula. He offers 554 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: us his presence, and from that place we are changed, 555 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: and we are invited back day after day after day. 556 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: And in this season heather of chaos. I'll tell you what. 557 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 3: I am really grateful for that invitation and really grateful 558 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 3: that I was able to write out of a place 559 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: of the weakness. Not not hey, I nailed it here. 560 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 3: It is everyone of like, wow, I need this, and 561 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: I think I need it again and again again. So 562 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 3: maybe you do too. 563 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes. The number of times I've said something 564 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: to my husband has been like, didn't you write a 565 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: book on that? Oh? Yeah, I guess I read. 566 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: Things that people, The things the author's face are very unique. 567 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: You write it, and then we're like, what did I write? 568 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: And I need it right now again and again again. 569 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: Yes, so true. 570 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: We're going to tell everyone I know the book is 571 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: available everywhere books are sold, tell everyone how they can 572 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: connect with you. 573 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: You're so sweet. 574 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm pretty much on all your major places online 575 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: besides TikTok. I'm not a I talk girly okay, but 576 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: you can find me on Instagram and then mainly if 577 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: you want to learn more about just my ministry and 578 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: my heart behind some of the things that we've chatted 579 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 3: about today. 580 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: You can on my website Morgan Kruger dot. 581 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: Com awesome, and I'll make sure the link to that 582 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: is in the show notes. Morgan, thanks so much for 583 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: being on the show today. I appreciate you being here 584 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: and having this conversation. Thanks Heather, I appreciate you and 585 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: thank you for watching or listening today. 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