1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Love Offering Podcast. I'm your host, Rachel Adams, 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: author of Everyday Prayers for Love, Learning to Love God, others, 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: and even yourself. Each week we dive into meaningful conversations 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: about how to live out the greatest commandment, loving God 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: with all of her heart's soul, mind and strength, and 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: loving our neighbors as ourselves, whether through inspiring stories, practical wisdom, 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: or biblical truth. My hope is to encourage you to 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: love boldly, live faithfully, and reflect God's love in your 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: everyday life. Today, I'm honored to welcome Aaron Harrigan to 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: the show. Aaron is a wife, emptiness mom, speaker, author, 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: and biblical business coach who serves high achieving women in 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: business and the boardroom. Through her coaching, writing, and podcasting, 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: Aaron creates a grace filled space for women to integrate 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: their faith and work, helping them pursue excellence without compromising 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: their relationship with God. In her new book, Redefining Hustle 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: Navigating Success with Jesus, Aaron boldly challenges the world's definition 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: of hustle and invites us into a more peace, purposeful, 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: and christ centered approach to ambition. Leadership and success. Well, 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: hello Aaron, and welcome to the Love Offering Podcast. I'm 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: so happy to have you. 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: Thanks Rachel. I'm so excited to be here. I can't 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 3: wait to see where Holy Spirit has taken us today. 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: Well same, Okay, so you're redefining hustle. So is it 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: safe to assume that you have been a hustler that 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: needed read a fun how you be than out your life? 27 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: Still have kind of the backstory to your life before 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: writing this book? 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 3: So I have been what I say as a recovering 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: driver's driver and achievement chaser most of my life. I 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 3: came to Jesus at the age of forty six, twelve 33 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: years ago when I had all of this outward success 34 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: both from what was my corporate job and then I 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: left and I started my first business. But I was 36 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: waking up just spiraling an anxiety, unfulfilled, empty, couldn't figure 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: out what it was, and thinking, well, I just have 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: to do more, right, I just have to go hustle more. 39 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: And a faithful conversation with a mentor whom in my 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 3: first book I call the Velvet Hammer, she brought me 41 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: to Jesus. 42 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: She shared the gospel. 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: She told me I didn't know who I was or 44 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: whose I was, and that began this journey. But fast 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: forward four years ago, the Lord was showing me all 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: of this conversation about hustle online, and it was leaning 47 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: toward this idea of anti hustle, and I said, I 48 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: just don't think that resonates with me. 49 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: Like I like to be busy, I'd like to be active. 50 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: I liked working in my assignment that you've given me, Lord, 51 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: And so he began to show me that, like so 52 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: many words, the world had taken it out of context, 53 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: and that if you actually look at the definitions and 54 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: a dictionary, aside from the frantic, chaotic, aggressive definitions, there 55 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: are things like intention and purpose and timing. And then 56 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: he began to connect the dots for me to show 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: me like that is how Jesus worked. He was never hurried, 58 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: he was never frantic, He worked with intention and purpose, 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: He had a sense of timing, and he always sought 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: his father first. And that was where he showed me, like, 61 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: we can redefine this and take back this idea. Because 62 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: I've made my children, many of them ambitious. There's nothing 63 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: wrong with that, But I intended that ambition to be 64 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: aligned to my will. So it's not the hustle that's 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: the issue, it's how we define it that is crushing us. 66 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: That's a really interesting point because I think there's this 67 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: pendulum swing. It's not all or nothing. You can still 68 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: work hard and do things with excellence. I think God 69 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: wants that, but he just doesn't want us to be frantic. 70 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: Maybe while doing it. 71 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: Well, he modeled work for us, right, I mean he 72 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: created work, and then not only did he create and 73 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: model that work, and then he gave Adam and Eve 74 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: work right to be fruitful and take care of the 75 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: earth and all of those things. So work is a 76 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: biblical concept. And where we get hung up is that 77 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: we make it an idol and we think, well, if 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: I just keep working, then I'll have that result, or 79 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: I'll reach that achievement, or I'll have those dollars or 80 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 3: whatever that is. And so the world is so deceitful as. 81 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: We know that. 82 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: It twists what it means to work with excellence or 83 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: what it means to work hard into this constant work. 84 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: And even when we're not working, we're constantly thinking about 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: what has to get done. 86 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: And that's true. 87 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: Rachel whether you're a mom raising your kids, whether you're 88 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: working outside the home, whether you're running a business or 89 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: in a professional career, it can become all consuming. That's 90 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: the piece that he does not want for us to have, 91 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: and he did not intend for us to operate in. 92 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: Well. I can't wait to continue today's conversation, but we're 93 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: going to take a brief break to hear a word 94 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: from today's sponsor, and when we come back, we are 95 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: going to talk about the hidden cost of hustle and 96 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: the burden of self reliance. 97 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 98 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm talking with Aaron Harrigan about redefining hustle, navigating success 99 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: with Jesus. So I think even the word success we 100 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: just talked about hustle, that there's kind of like this 101 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: misconception of hustle, there's also a misconception of believe of success. 102 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: What is success in God's eyes versus what is success 103 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: in our current culture? That is vastly different, do you 104 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: think absolutely. 105 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 3: I first started to unpack that reading a Bible study 106 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: that doctor Charles Stanley had done, and he talked about. 107 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: That the Lord created us. 108 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: When the Lord thinks of success, it's about our relationship 109 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: with Him and aligning our lives and our work and 110 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: our goals and what doctor Charles Stanley calls sort of 111 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: whole person success. 112 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: Right. 113 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: But in the world, success is measured by how high 114 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: you go and what is your revenue and how many followers? 115 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: Right? 116 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 3: And I want to be clear that many of those 117 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: measurements are mathematical, and the math is real, okay, But 118 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: what happens is, just like we take hustle out of context, 119 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: we take success and then we allow it to define us. 120 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: So then what happens when the job goes away? What 121 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: happens when the sales goal is now bumped up for 122 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: the new year? 123 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: Right? 124 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: So we're constantly in this pace of trying to recapture 125 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: what that success is because the goalpost is always moving 126 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: and the Lord doesn't care about any of that. 127 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't. 128 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 3: Did he make us to have missions in the marketplace, yes, 129 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 3: many of us. Did he make us to work in 130 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: certain ways? Absolutely, but again all aligned to him. But 131 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: we're so busy chasing what the world says success looks 132 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: like that we're missing that the true success is in 133 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 3: our surrender, in our obedience, and quite honestly, in our abiding, 134 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: and that the feeling of that abiding is, I believe 135 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: truly like nothing else we could ever get from reaching 136 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: the pinnacles of success. 137 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: Talk to us about the hidden cost of us, because 138 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: I think our bodies can fill it, our minds can 139 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: fill our relationships. You can only go at a break 140 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: neck pace for so long. So talk us to us 141 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: about some of those hidden costs. 142 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: Sure, there's certainly hidden costs physically mentally, right, we can 143 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: push ourselves so far and not rest and not effectively 144 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: nourish our bodies and hydrate and all of those pieces. 145 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: There's certainly issues we can have with our central nervous 146 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: system and those kinds of things that are the mental 147 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: cost of it. 148 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: The mental load that. 149 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: We carry even when we're not physically working, but we're 150 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: constantly thinking about what has to get done, and the 151 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: deadlines and often self imposed deadlines. Right, there is a 152 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: cost to I believe this is mental and physical too. 153 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: Thinking we have to be in all the places all 154 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: the time, online and showing up right, social media is 155 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: built to addict us, and so therefore we think we 156 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: have to be in all those places. And then there's 157 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: things like comparison and coveting. That's a word we don't 158 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: use very often right, but certainly in my case as well, 159 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: the hidden cost of going for the next incentive, in 160 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: the next revenue level, et cetera. While I thought on, 161 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: I'm going to have time freedom having my own business, 162 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: not like when I was handcuffed to a corporate job. 163 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: So I have more quality time with my family. 164 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: And two, I'm able to bring in income and that's 165 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: important for my family. 166 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: Right. But what I was. 167 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: Doing in the small spaces of time, Rachel is I'd 168 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: be sitting with my kids, but on my phone or 169 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: on my laptop. It affected my marriage because I was 170 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: constantly going, and my husband will tell you I used 171 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: to love to fill all the white space on the calendar. 172 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: It affected my motherhood. My kids are twenty eight and 173 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: twenty six, and I recently interviewed my daughters at about 174 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 3: like what did you learn from mom being a business owner? 175 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: And they learned really valuable lessons positive and negative. You know, 176 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: they both sort of gave me feedback that was like, 177 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: sometimes you were in the room, but you weren't present, 178 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: and these are hidden costs because that's time I won't 179 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: get back. 180 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: That's a little convicting or a lot convicting in a 181 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: good way. And I'm just thinking about and reflecting on 182 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: my own life because I have quite a few opportunities 183 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: that I'm actually praying through as we speak. And I'm 184 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: kind of an overachiever. And it's like, Okay, is this 185 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: open door because God's opening the door or is this 186 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: something that I need to realize, like I only have 187 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: so much capacity, I'm a limited human being. Am I 188 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: pushing the limits right here? And why am I trying 189 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: to push the limits and just say yes because it 190 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: seems like an open door talk to us about capacity 191 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: and just being realistic about you're human and you can 192 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: only do so much. 193 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the noise of the world says, 194 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: but you have to do more because you're going to 195 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: miss out. 196 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: And He's doing you're missing out fear missing out. 197 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: And Jesus in my first book gave me a very 198 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: different definition of fomo. Instead of fear missing out, it 199 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 3: was him saying, focus on me only right, And so yes, 200 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: those are all good things, but not all good things 201 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: are God things. And we can take the good things 202 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: and suddenly make them an idol. And I've had women say, 203 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: but the Lord gave me a brain, and I should 204 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: be able to make these decisions on my own, and 205 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: I said, you can make those decisions on your own. 206 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: He gives you that free will, But I don't know 207 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: about you. Have made plenty of decisions. 208 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: On my own that have taken me in the wrong direction, 209 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 3: and they looked so good and they weren't bad things, 210 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: but I moved forward, and I ran forward instead of 211 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: seeking him in the middle of it. 212 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I do advocate that we're talking. 213 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: To him all day long and we're seeking him at 214 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: every opportunity. 215 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: Yes, he will redeem us if we take. 216 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: The wrong turn. He'll get us back on track. He's 217 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: gracious that way. But we have to be careful because 218 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: we are high capacity, which means we will add more 219 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 3: and more things to our plate because we think, well, 220 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: that'll only take a few minutes, and I can fit 221 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: that around this. But is that how he wants you 222 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: using the time? Because friends, it's not our time, it's 223 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: his time. And he convicted of me of that last year, 224 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: So we've got to be seeking him in the middle 225 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: of that. We've got to remember that even Jesus sought 226 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 3: sorry his father, and yet he knew all right. So yes, 227 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: there are many opportunities that will come across our plates, 228 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: but we have to defer to the Lord, who already 229 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: is out ahead of those opportunities and knows what's going 230 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: to work and what's not, and remind ourselves that he's 231 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: our advance in our rear guard, and that we can 232 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: make our plans, but he directs our steps. He tells 233 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 3: us this throughout scripture, and it is hard for women, 234 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: I think sometimes because the word submission. 235 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: We don't want to do that. 236 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: But he's not asking us to be his slave, although 237 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: I think in some ways it says it does sort 238 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: of say that that, Like even Paul says that, right, 239 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: like I am a slave to Christ. But he wants 240 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 3: his best for us, and if we keep filling our 241 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: plates with all the things, we have a hard time 242 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: siphoning through what's really his best. 243 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when we get so busy, it's hard to 244 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: hear his voice. It's his still small voice. And then 245 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: as you're talking, we talked about fomo like fear of 246 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: missing out. But I think often it's not just oh, 247 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to miss out on that opportunity, or 248 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: I'm scared I'm gonna let down other people that people 249 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: pleasing aspect, but I'm honestly sometimes Aaron, I'm worried that 250 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: I am going to disappoint the Lord. Like, Lord, you 251 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: had this opportunity for me, and what if I say no, 252 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: and that was something that you wanted for me. There's 253 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: there's that kind of. 254 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: Fear, Like, Lord, I want to make the most of 255 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: my life. 256 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: I want to lay it all on the line and 257 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: do everything you called me to do. And there's a 258 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: sense of urgency in that for me. Does that make sense? 259 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: When it makes total sense? 260 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: And I often hear women say I don't want to 261 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: miss out on what the Lord has for me. Yes, yes, 262 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: And my answer there is, if we are seeking him, 263 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 3: if we are abiding in him, if we are surrendered, 264 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: we are never going to miss what he has for 265 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: us because we're letting him direct us. And so for me, 266 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: what that looks like is, Wow, this looks like a 267 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 3: really great opportunity. In the past, I would have been 268 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: super quick. 269 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: To say yes. But now I say. 270 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: You know what, can you give me twenty four hours 271 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 3: just to pray over this and then I'll sit down 272 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: in journal with the Lord like show me right. 273 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: I believe that he makes. 274 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: It clear to us he does communicate with us all 275 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: in different ways. We hear from him in different ways. 276 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: I know for me it is a sense in my spirit. 277 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a song comes on and it has exactly 278 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: the right answer. Right, we are never going to miss 279 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 3: what he has for us as long as we are 280 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: surrendered to let him lead us. And so, yes, some 281 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 3: of these opportunities are his right, and sometimes he does 282 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: allow us to step out and do it and then 283 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: learn from it and grow from it. Right that he's 284 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: so gracious that way, But as long as we're seeking 285 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: him in it, he has never led us astray, and 286 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: he's never left us alone. So he's never going to 287 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: let us miss his best. 288 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, as we're looking at our calendars, many of our 289 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: calendars are just filled to the brim, and some of 290 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: us and I'm raising my hand right here, feel guilty 291 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: to rest. I think culture even makes us maybe feel 292 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: like that's the message, like you're lazy or selfish to 293 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: take care of yourself. 294 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your opinion on that? 295 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: Well? 296 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: I used to think that rest was like a nap, 297 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: and I am not a napper, right, I overlook the 298 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: fact that sometimes a walk is RESTful for me. Folding 299 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: laundry is RESTful for me right. And in my book, 300 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: I actually quote the book Sacred Rest by doctors Saundra 301 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: Dalton Smith, and I've had a number of conversations with 302 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: her on my podcast and she talks about there's seven 303 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: types of rest. And when I understood that, and I 304 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: then sought the Lord who reminded me of the Sabbath, 305 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: reminded me of why he rested and why he and 306 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: he established the Sabbath. And then I've experienced how when 307 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: I do rest, even kicking and screaming like a toddler 308 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: who you know needs a n app but they're not 309 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: having it, that when I rest, things happen that I 310 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: never could have foreseen, and he takes my efforts further. 311 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: He blesses my rest by showing me his goodness in 312 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: a new opportunity or a new connection or whatever. Right now, 313 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: I'm launching my book, and last fall, when I plan 314 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: to launch my book, there were all the things that 315 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: had to get done right, and I very clearly felt 316 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: in my spirit, you don't need to do all of that, 317 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: and you don't need to do all of it right now. 318 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: You're going to do one thing at a time. And 319 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: that was so hard for me. Because I'm like, you 320 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: give me three things, I'm going to multiply it and 321 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: do six. But what I have seen him do with 322 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: me holding myself back is surrendered to him and only 323 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 3: doing what he's told me to do. Like literally racheled 324 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: down to like, ooh, Lord, I think I've better post 325 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: about that today, and he's like nope, and so I don't, 326 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 3: and then I get messages from people, or then I 327 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: check Amazon and the book is like number one and 328 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense in. 329 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: A worldly perspective. 330 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: So he wants us rested, and that's honoring him in 331 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: that rest. So we're not fully filling our calendars, we're 332 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: leaving room to breathe. How many times have we not 333 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 3: even taken a deep breath because we're doing all the things. 334 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: But I do want to encourage everyone that rest doesn't 335 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: have to look like a nap. And let's also, I'll 336 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: leave you with this the story of Elijah, Like here's Elijah, like, Lord, 337 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: I've done all of this for you, and they're after me, 338 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: and he's like, basically, you've probably seen the memes like 339 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: here's some shade. You need a nap and a snack 340 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: and you'll feel better and to me, that is why 341 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: rest is so important. Like sometimes we just need to rest, 342 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: and I would rather take the first inclination to rest 343 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: than have him sideline me, because you know he'll do that. 344 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, A nap and the snack sounds 345 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: pretty good about right now. 346 00:16:58,560 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: I know. 347 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: Right well, we're going to take another brief break to 348 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: you hear a word from today's sponsor, and when we 349 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: come back, we're going to talk about peace filled rhythms, leadership, 350 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: and working from rest instead of striving. 351 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 352 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: I'm talking with Aaron Harrigan about redefining hustle navigating success 353 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: with Jesus. So you kind of alluded to this at 354 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: the beginning of the episode. It is not wrong to 355 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: be ambitious. Ambitious can be make desire from God? Is 356 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: that possible? 357 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: I absolutely believe that's possible. I say very often God 358 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 3: made you ambitious, but he did not make you for 359 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 3: business or life as usual. Our clear example of this 360 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: in scripture is Paul was ambitious. He had a long resume, 361 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: he had all the reasons, he was the rule follower, 362 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 3: he was getting it done, and then he met Jesus. Now, 363 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 3: please know, from the beginning of time just like He's 364 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 3: chosen and assigned you and me. He knew he assigned 365 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: Paul to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles before Paul 366 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: was even on the earth. Okay, But this ambition that 367 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 3: welled up inside of Paul his whole life led him 368 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: to I need to persecute these Christians, and I'm being 369 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: a good Pharisee in doing that, right, I am productive. 370 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: And then he met Jesus, and Jesus didn't take away 371 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 3: Paul's ambition. He shifted it to what it was originally 372 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 3: intended for. And then Paul's zeal for being a servant 373 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 3: of the Lord. Yes, the Lord's strength and power and 374 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: Paul's faith, but my goodness, look at everything he went through. 375 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: You had to be ambitious to keep going in. 376 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: The middle of that. 377 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: Right, So I do believe that the Lord makes us 378 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: ambitious in various and sundry ways, and so I believe 379 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: that it is a gift that then we are able 380 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: to bring into alignment with Him. 381 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: Again, ambition is not the issue. The issue, come on, 382 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: Holy Spirit, is how. 383 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 3: The world describes it, and particularly for women. Because I 384 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: don't know about you, Rachel, but I know in plenty 385 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 3: of circles. In my past before christ b C life, 386 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: I had people tell me that my ambition made me aggressive, 387 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 3: it made me too much. Right now, maybe that's because 388 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: I wasn't walking in the center of God's will and 389 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 3: using my ambition the way he intended. But ambition can 390 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 3: have a really negative connotation for women, and I'm just 391 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: here to tell you that that's not how the Lord 392 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: intended it. 393 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: I think circling back to our conversation on rest and 394 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: the story that you told about, you know, you were 395 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: felt led to do all these things and the Lord's like, no, 396 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: don't do that, and then all of a sudden he 397 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: worked all this stuff in the background, which was more 398 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: than you could have done. Talk to us about the 399 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 2: idea of self reliance versus relying on and depending on 400 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: the Lord. 401 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 3: M I used to be really good at that. It 402 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 3: was like a badge of honor for me. Right. Part 403 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 3: of it I think came because of my childhood the 404 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: oldest of four, so I was very independent. 405 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: I had to be independent. 406 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: My mom was a single mom, so the four of 407 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: us kind of relied on each other and what that 408 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: has done. However, we talked about hidden costs earlier. The 409 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: hidden cost of my self reliance is that it led 410 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: me to be the leader of my family, not my husband. 411 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 3: It led me to sort of push him aside because 412 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 3: it needed to be done this way, right. No, no, no, 413 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: I got it. To the point, Rachel, like, I know 414 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 3: this is kind of simple. But when I go grocery shopping, 415 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: He's like, let me help you, and I'm like, no, no, no, 416 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 3: I got it. Let me get the door, no, no, no, 417 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: I got it right. These are all ways that our 418 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 3: self reliance shows up. And the problem with self reliance, 419 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: one of the problems is that when that is ruling us, 420 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 3: we literally get no rest because who else can we 421 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: rely on, right, We can't be down, we can't be sick, 422 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 3: we can't take a rest because everything relies on us. 423 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: But because we're so responsible, it also is a control 424 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: issue because we have to control all the things. And 425 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: then I bought my daughter a sign that says everything 426 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 3: is fine as long as everything goes my way, which 427 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: I actually think probably should be in my office. 428 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: But this is what we think, right. 429 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: The difference in relying on the Lord is that first 430 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 3: of all, he is the authority who made us. He 431 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: knows us, he knows our whole story. He knows what's 432 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: happening in chapter twenty two and we're sitting in chapter fifteen, right, 433 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: so who better to rely on? It's when we don't 434 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 3: see what we want to see that our confidence in him, 435 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: our trust in him, our doubt, and the enemy starts 436 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 3: to creep in and says, see, well, if you had 437 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 3: relied on yourself, this wouldn't be an issue because you'd 438 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: have gotten it done. And then and because you didn't 439 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 3: get it done, well, you're lazy, right. It's just it's 440 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: so insidious. So for me, he had to really wrestle that. 441 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: Sometimes I do feel like Jacob like I was wrestling 442 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 3: with him around self reliance. Sometimes I still have that challenge, 443 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 3: but I will tell you that I have found such 444 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 3: peace in relying on Him, even when each challenges me 445 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 3: because it doesn't look the way that I think it 446 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: should look. We can't rely on ourselves because we can 447 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 3: never see the full picture, and we're in tunnel vision, right, 448 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 3: and that has consequences. 449 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: Like we talked about, We've been. 450 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 2: Talking the whole episode about redefining hustle God's way. So 451 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: how does working with God rather than for his approval 452 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 2: or for even that outcome, how does that transform not 453 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: just our work but our identity. 454 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: So in my book the framework that I present the 455 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: four keys to redefine Hustle, which he gave me, the 456 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 3: very first key is defined, and it is all about 457 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: where are we finding our identity? 458 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: Because we're so quick. 459 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 3: We kind of talked about this earlier to wrap our 460 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: identity and what we've gotten done and how much we've 461 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: gotten done, and how we look good in certain spaces 462 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: and places, et cetera. But working with him, you know, 463 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 3: he doesn't need us to do the work. He invites 464 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 3: us to be his co laborers. He could do it 465 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: all by himself. But that's the point, right, It's not 466 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: just the free will he gives us, but it's the 467 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: fact that he desires to work with us. And I 468 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: believe he desires to work with us because he knows 469 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 3: how he made us, and he knows the gifts and talents, 470 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: and he's like, man, if you just would work with me, 471 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: you would send such fulfillment and peace and nourishment and 472 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: the kingdom impact that would happen because I have aligned 473 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 3: people that can only hear from Rachel, or can only 474 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 3: learn from Aaron, and and so work with me, not 475 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 3: on your own. There's only so far you're going to 476 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: be able to go on your own. And so the difference, 477 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: in my opinion is, you know, very often I work alone. 478 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: I work at home. 479 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: Most of my clients are online, and I'm like, man, 480 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 3: i am literally a team of one. I'm here by myself, 481 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 3: and it's almost like I in my spirit, it's like knock, knock, knock, I'm. 482 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: Sorry, you're not alone? Are you kidding me? 483 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: There's just such a piece and knowing I don't have 484 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: to carry all of it, I don't have to shoulder 485 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 3: it all, it's scary times because like it's like Abraham, right, 486 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: I will take you to a land you do not know, 487 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 3: and we're like, well, we want to see the whole path. 488 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: But it's exciting and it's adventure, and we know that 489 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: he will never ever leave us, and we know that 490 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: he will never leave us floundering. So I would much 491 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 3: prefer to work with him because I've worked on my 492 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: own and I know where that's taken me. 493 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too. 494 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: And I'm just mindful of the woman right now listening 495 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: that is caught up in this whole hustle culture and 496 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: she's trying to climb all the ladders, and she's debating 497 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: on what success looks like, just caught up in that trap. 498 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: What would you say to her today? What's one thing 499 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 2: maybe that she could do today to kind of get 500 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: her out of that culture. 501 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody asked me a similar question the other day, 502 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 3: and I think the first thing I would start with 503 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 3: is why why are you doing that? Why is that 504 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: important to you? Why do you feel like that's necessary? 505 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: I know there are so many families need multiple incomes, 506 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: and so you know there is a woman listening who's like, 507 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 3: you don't understand, like I have to do this to 508 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: put food on the table because I'm a single mom, 509 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: or because my husband and I together aren't making enough right. 510 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 3: And I acknowledge that, and I get that, and I 511 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: still encourage you to say why. 512 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: Lord? 513 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 3: Your word says that you provide for every one of 514 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: my needs, and that you know my needs. So why 515 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: why not just asking ourselves the why, but even asking 516 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 3: the Lord the why? And then an old sales manager 517 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: of mine said this, So pardon my friend, ask the 518 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: question and shut up, sit with him and let him 519 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: speak to you and in your spirit or however however, 520 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: you know you hear from him, but ask the questions. 521 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: He's not afraid of that question. 522 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: But sometimes we dig into the why and we're like, oh, 523 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: wait a minute, there's a little pride here or there's 524 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: a little idolatry over here. I would start with that 525 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 3: word why, and not like the world says, know you're why, 526 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 3: That's not what I mean. Start with asking why am 527 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: I doing this and why is this important? 528 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: And have that conversation with him. 529 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: It's a really good prompt for us to all sit with. 530 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking, as women or men read this 531 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: book and listen to this episode, what do you hope 532 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 2: changes for them? What's the possibility after receiving this message. 533 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 3: The biggest thing that I hope they get from this, well, 534 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: the number one thing is that they continue to turn 535 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 3: to Jesus because it's not Aaron's it's Jesus. That they 536 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 3: will see that they are not their productivity, they are 537 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 3: not their work. 538 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: They are not. 539 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: The title or the role or the outcomes or that 540 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: none of that is who they are. They are the 541 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: child of the most High King. If they've said yes 542 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: to Jesus, and therefore there is a level of dominion 543 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 3: and authority and being chosen and set apart like I 544 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: want to remind them of that, and that they would, 545 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 3: even if they only read the first three chapters of 546 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 3: the book, that they would understand that they are his, 547 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: that he knows the exact path, and that if they 548 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 3: surrender his promises say that he will lead them. And 549 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: I want them to feel the respite and the relief 550 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 3: in that. 551 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier. There are four keys, and then you 552 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: told us the first was to define. So would you 553 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: briefly outline and give us a teaser on an other three? 554 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely? So the first key is defined. We just talked 555 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: about that, only allowing the Lord to define you. The 556 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: second key is direct, giving him the reins to be 557 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: what I call our great positioning Shepherd, our GPS. He 558 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: is not going to steer you wrong, right, so allowing 559 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 3: him to direct your steps. The third key is discipline. 560 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 3: Not just a daily discipline of how you're setting up 561 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 3: your day and and your to do list in that, 562 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 3: but it's really the spiritual discipline of abiding in Him 563 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 3: and seeking him and rest and renewing your mind. Those 564 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 3: spiritual disciplines are critical for us in walking out and 565 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: letting him lead us. And then the fourth key is 566 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 3: developed because as we know how we're defined and directed, 567 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: and then we put that into action, We're going to 568 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 3: learn some things along the way, and the Holy Spirit 569 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 3: uses that to develop us. That does mean pruding, It 570 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 3: does mean sanding and molding. But can we get to 571 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 3: a place where we embrace and even welcome his development 572 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 3: because it takes us deeper with him. So those are 573 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: the four define, direct, discipline. 574 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: And develop Yeah, and none if it seems easy, unfortunately 575 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 2: one day at a time and then like the next 576 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: day doing it again, kind of like the Mana. 577 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: Right, it's exactly like the Mana. And I always say 578 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: it's not easy, and I don't say that it's easy, 579 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: but there is an ease that you experience that is 580 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 3: that unsurpassed piece that even in the midst of whatever circumstances, 581 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: you feel at peace. And you're like, this is so weird. 582 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: This makes no sense to me. Why would I be 583 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: peaceful right now? Because it's him and it's his and 584 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: the battle is his. 585 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And what we're not saying is I mean you're 586 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: still accomplishing a lot. You are still highly successful in 587 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: the world's eyes and God's eyes. That is all, okay, 588 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: we're just redefining it and doing it differently. 589 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, And there's nothing wrong with that. There's 590 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: nothing wrong with achievement. There's nothing wrong with the revenue 591 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: and all the things. It's when we make them an 592 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 3: idol that we get ourselves in trouble. 593 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this season, I've been asking all of my guests, 594 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: is there a biblical concept of love that you think 595 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 2: applies to this topic today? 596 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: To me, the concept of love of Jesus saying, like, 597 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: you know, the greatest of the greatest of the commandments 598 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 3: in loving one another, that in loving him because he 599 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: first loved us, that means we trust him. That means 600 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: we surrender to him, We follow him and I And 601 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,239 Speaker 3: so often when we're hustling, we're seeking some kind of 602 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: recognition love, right, But we're trying to fill a Jesus 603 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: shaped hole. And so to me, that biblical concept of 604 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: loving others as yourself includes loving in your marriage and 605 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 3: your motherhood, in your communities, et cetera. And we cannot 606 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 3: do that effectively if our focus is solely on going 607 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 3: out and getting more. 608 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, so tell us something you are 609 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: loving right now? 610 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: Well, my oldest is getting married in May, so I'm 611 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: loving all the wedding things and factus, since we're done, 612 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 3: I'm going to be calling her to check in on 613 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: her to do list. 614 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: So I'm loving that. I'm loving seeing. 615 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 3: Her and her fiance start their life and it's so 616 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 3: awesome to sit and be in the middle of that. 617 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, what an exciting season that you're entering. Well, 618 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: congratulations to her. Into you so and I know I 619 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: want to stay connected with you. I'm sure listeners are 620 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: going to want to. They're going to want to grab 621 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: a copy of your books, So tell us how we 622 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: can best do that. 623 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. 624 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 3: The book is on Amazon right now, so you can 625 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: get that there. But connect with me at my website 626 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 3: and you can get to know me, my story, my message, 627 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 3: and if there's any way I can serve you. You can 628 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: also find me on LinkedIn and Instagram. 629 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: Okay, well awesome. What would you do us the owner 630 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 2: of praying for us as we close today? 631 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, thank you, Father, God. 632 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: We thank you that you are our sovereign king, that 633 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: you chose us, that you set us apart before the 634 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: foundations of the world. Lord, and that means that you 635 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: are the ultimate authority, and no matter what we see 636 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 3: around us, no matter what we've been chasing, Lord, I 637 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: pray that we would lay that down and seek you 638 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: and seek your definition and your direction. And Lord God, 639 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: I pray that anything that we said today Holy sphere 640 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 3: just tickle the ears of those that needed to hear it, 641 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 3: And if we said anything that wasn't what you wanted, 642 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: that they wouldn't. 643 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: Hear that at all. 644 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 3: But Lord, I know that there is someone out there 645 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 3: that was needing this message today, and we just praise 646 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 3: you and glorify you and bringing this message forward. Lord, 647 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 3: I ask a hedge of protection around all of the 648 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: listeners and Rachel and just that you would make it 649 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: clear to her and these new opportunities what you want 650 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: her to be engaging with. Lord, we just glorify you, 651 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: We love you, and we thank you in Jesus's mighty name. 652 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: Amen Erin, thank you for helping us to redefine hustle 653 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: and navigate success with Jesus. Appreciate your time. Thanks Rachel, 654 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening to the Level Ring podcast. 655 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: I hope today's conversation encouraged you to release striving, embrace, 656 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 2: grace and pursue success God's Way. If you enjoyed this episode, 657 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: please share it with a friend and leaver if you 658 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 2: it helps others fine the show and spreads the message 659 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: of love even further. To connect with me, visit me 660 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: on my website at Rachelkaadams dot com, where you can 661 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: download the Love Always devotional. Be sure to purchase Aaron's 662 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: new book, Redefining Hustle Navigating Success with Jesus. 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