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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us here and the Aaron Mullinchow.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge episode. Two incredible guests coming up, so

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Speaker 1: let's keep this tight. My first, Cassim Hafiz talks about Pakistan,

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Speaker 1: the blowing up of a mosque by a suicide bomber

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Speaker 1: claimed by Isis. Did you see one person who has

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Speaker 1: joined the pro Palestinian movement or who has posted about

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Speaker 1: Islamophobia as though they.

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Speaker 2: Care about Muslims?

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Speaker 1: Share one message about this horrific tragedy, try to raise awareness,

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Speaker 1: call out or condemn the perpetrator. Not a peep, because

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Speaker 1: they don't care about Muslims either, in case you hadn't noticed. Plus,

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Speaker 1: detonates a bomb, kills over thirty injures so many more.

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Speaker 1: But there is silence, silence from all those who purport

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Speaker 1: to care about the Muslim community.

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Speaker 2: They don't care, not a peep.

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Speaker 1: Kasim Hafez is of Pakistani origin, was born Muslim, raised Muslim.

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Speaker 1: He points this out in the most superb way, their hypocrisy,

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Speaker 1: their lack of care, their weaponization of words like Islamophobia.

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Speaker 1: They don't care about the welfare of Muslims as we've seen.

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Speaker 1: Kasim Hafez, thank you so so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: on the Aaron Mullin Show.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Now, thank you for having me on. I'm really grateful.

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Speaker 2: Such a big fan of your work and your voice.

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Speaker 1: And something that you shared on social media this week

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Speaker 1: really caught my eye as someone whose family is from Pakistan.

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Speaker 1: You're now an American, you live in America. Tell me

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Speaker 1: about this terrorist attack that occurred claimed my isis a

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Speaker 1: talking about the loss of a whole heap of Muslim lives.

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Speaker 1: Because again it's something I say all the time, Muslims

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Speaker 3: Right, and it is it's completely bemusic. I mean, here

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Speaker 3: Stay Friday, the Friday prayers, people are murdered and it's

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Speaker 3: And you know, for me, as someone of a Pakistani heritage,

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Speaker 3: even more so, it seems that in Pakistan when you

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Speaker 1: And the point and you're absolutely true, it's not placing

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Speaker 1: calling out Islamic extremism. Our Prime Minister wouldn't even say

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Speaker 1: I say, you are by calling it out, you are

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Speaker 2: They are victims of this too, and it's not.

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Speaker 1: Racist or Islamophobic or bigoted to call it what it is.

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Speaker 1: And I use the example of Indonesia where one of

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Speaker 1: So they had this true pronged approach and it's worked.

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Speaker 1: It's been really effective in in halting the majority of

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Speaker 1: you're not going against Muslims when you say I hate

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Speaker 1: Islamic extremism. We need to call it out. You're actually

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Speaker 1: helping them because they're dying too. They suffer more than

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Speaker 3: Right, And I think this is really important. Aaron. You

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Speaker 3: You've lived in a Muslim country, you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe some you know Muslims as human beings rather as

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Speaker 3: when Muslims or people on the Muslim community speak out

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Speaker 3: that's racist. I mean, but there's something racist in that,

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Speaker 3: because if you are saying me or someone else going

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Speaker 1: But you're saying me, as a white woman in Australia

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Speaker 1: or America or England knows knows better, knows what's better

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Speaker 2: Know what's better. That's racist, that's that's offensive.

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Speaker 3: It is and it's awful, and it just doesn't take

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Speaker 3: and we can and get multiculturism or tolerance how really, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: to tolerate an ideology which says I need to murder

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Speaker 1: Give now that that's a perfect way to put it.

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Speaker 1: And it goes to, you know, the heart of anything

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Speaker 1: and everything. If you refuse to call something what it is,

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Speaker 1: mean it might say like a strange analogy, but again,

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Speaker 1: I don't think calling out Islamic extremism should be offensive

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, it should actually be the opposite. There

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody always talks about in the West being

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Speaker 3: Islamic extremism. It's brought death, destruction, suppression of women's rights,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where are all the people that are outraged about this?

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Speaker 2: This is a significant attack. Children were there. It was horrible, horrible.

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Speaker 1: Yet again, just like we're seeing in Iran, there's complete silence.

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Speaker 1: It's as if they can't you know, if the blame

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Speaker 3: So I think, especially for people in the West, they

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Speaker 1: Were they freedom fighters if they're killing their Wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: If they don't want to deal with the truth, they

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Speaker 3: a complete coward. After you've been so vocal about the

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Speaker 1: So it would require them to actually come to terms

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Speaker 1: actually evil terrorist murderers. It would force them to somehow

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Speaker 1: the exact same ideology that's killed Muslims in Islamabad, as

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Speaker 2: It's all the same.

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Speaker 1: For them to actually confront that would be very difficult internally,

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Speaker 1: and ninety nine point nine percent don't have you know,

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Speaker 4: As we know, right, and there is, like we discussed earlier,

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Speaker 4: there is this paternalistic or racism of lower expectations, like

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Speaker 4: I'm a Christian now, but I grew up at the

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Speaker 3: I being a sumbody of a Muslim background with brown skin,

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Speaker 3: And that horrific approach, that racism or low expectations of

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Speaker 2: Much for coming on the Aaron Mullin Show.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I would never have thought after twenty years in media

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Speaker 6: to have open season on Jews, is you know, as

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Speaker 6: a mother who's raising three kids and thinking about what

436
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Speaker 6: their life is going to be and the safety of

437
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 6: their future lives. And also, I have my master's degree

438
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 6: in the rise of Hitler. This is what I studied.

439
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 6: I studied the socioeconomic issues that led that allowed for

440
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 6: his rise. And looking around and saying, you know, not

441
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Speaker 6: that this is reminiscent of nineteen thirty three Germany by

442
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 6: any means, but something like this happened, and instead of

443
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 6: being horrified, elements of the world are excited to say, hey,

444
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 6: now we can do similar things. And that's what we

445
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Speaker 6: saw after October seventh. Right, what happened in Bondai Beach

446
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Speaker 6: that you and I spoke about a couple of weeks

447
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 6: ago is only the latest, and honestly, by this point

448
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 6: it's not even the latest anymore. We saw attacks from

449
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 6: Russia and Dakistan to North Africa and Tunisia, all across America.

450
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Speaker 5: The encamped New York City, New York.

451
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Speaker 6: Just today, New York NYPD came out and said that

452
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Speaker 6: for every single day of January there was an anti

453
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Speaker 6: Semitic attack on a Jew, thirty one days, thirty one attacks.

454
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Speaker 6: It's you know, the worst of the war stra is

455
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Speaker 6: out there, but I will also say that we're seeing

456
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Speaker 6: some of the best of the best. Also, you can't

457
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 6: get diamonds without the press. You're on call, and we're

458
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 6: seeing some incredible voices. You're among them coming out post

459
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Speaker 6: October seventh with not only moral clarity, but the bravery

460
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Speaker 6: to say this is going to impact me, and I'm

461
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Speaker 6: still going to stand up and say this is unacceptable.

462
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Speaker 6: And we've seen those voices on social media, We've seen

463
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Speaker 6: those voices in the media, and I have to tell

464
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Speaker 6: you I am grateful for every single one of them.

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Speaker 1: As someone who studied the rise of Hitler, can you

466
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Speaker 1: tell me and my audience some of the things and

467
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Speaker 1: we saw comparisons. I mean, don't even start me on

468
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Speaker 1: the comparisons between Ice and the Nazis, which were appalling

469
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Speaker 1: in so many ways. But you look at things like

470
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Speaker 1: the street signs in the UK where they were removing

471
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Speaker 1: Jewish names off the street signs. What moments as a

472
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Speaker 1: student of this have you looked at since October seven

473
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Speaker 1: and just felt sick regarding because they were reminiscent in

474
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Speaker 1: some way, shape or form of what had occurred so

475
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Speaker 1: many years ago.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 6: I was thinking about that earlier today with everything that

478
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Speaker 6: happened with Holocaust Remembrance Day and erasing the Jews from

479
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Speaker 6: Holocaust Remembrance Day, and people like to.

480
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Speaker 1: Not believe that, and I should not be surprised by

481
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Speaker 1: anything Jackie anymore, but I still am.

482
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Speaker 6: But because you can't help it's not surprising, it's still

483
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 6: really shocking when it happens, you're like, really, we're still

484
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Speaker 6: having this conversation. So, you know, people like to say

485
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Speaker 6: it started with book burnings, it started with isolate it

486
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 6: started with all of these things, and you know it,

487
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 6: it's true, it started with all those things, but it

488
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 6: really started with Jews as a scapegoat, just as it

489
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 6: has throughout history. Anti Semitism isn't new. It's not particularly

490
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 6: inventive or creative. It's just rehashing old things. It started

491
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 6: by blaming the Jews for Germany's loss in World War One, Right,

492
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 6: it started for having someone to say they're the problem.

493
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Speaker 6: And that's what we saw after October seventh, Israel was attacked,

494
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 6: Jews were attacked, and Jews are the problem. We're inviting

495
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Speaker 6: those attacks. And then you follow and this is what

496
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Speaker 6: I'm say starting to see now, you follow that with

497
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 6: as soon as there are socioeconomic problems, as long as

498
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 6: there's inflation or you know, money issues, it becomes we

499
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 6: have to other the Jew. And that's what we're seeing now,

500
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 6: all of the attacks with while Americans don't have health

501
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 6: care because we're.

502
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Speaker 5: Sending too much money to Israel.

503
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Speaker 6: Right, you know, some people are saying that about the Ukraine,

504
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 6: but across the whole it's focused on Jews. It's focused

505
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 6: on Israel. No one cares that the numbers, the math

506
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 6: doesn't math. No one cares that Israel has an effective

507
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 6: tax rate over fifty percent to pay for their social

508
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 6: safety net. It's the Jew's fault. And as things get worse,

509
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 6: the Jews are an easier target. And that is the

510
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 6: most concerning thing as it relates to the rise of

511
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Speaker 6: Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 1: You look at individuals, and not all individuals, but I guess.

513
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Speaker 2: Human nature is to look. It's easier to look externally.

514
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Speaker 1: It's easier to blame someone else for your problems, isn't it,

515
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: because it absolves you of responsibility for them. What it

516
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: means you don't have to force yourself to lift, or

517
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: to change, or to work harder if you can say, well,

518
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: it's out of my control. So how do you fight

519
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: something that seems to just be so inherent in so

520
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: many people? And we don't have the moral courage or clarity,

521
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: or even if you do have it, you don't have

522
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Speaker 1: the bravery to fight back against it.

523
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Speaker 6: You know, it's easy to say that we are that

524
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 6: we the Jewish community are the targets because the people

525
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 6: in charge don't have answers. But on some level, while

526
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 6: that's true, it absolves us as a community of what

527
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 6: we can do. And there's been a lot of conversation recently.

528
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Speaker 6: A couple of people have been giving speeches about the

529
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Speaker 6: fact that we need to stop fighting anti Semitism and

530
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Speaker 6: start focusing on Jewish education.

531
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Speaker 5: And I think that.

532
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Speaker 6: There's something too that I do think that they're missing

533
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 6: the point a little bit on that, which is, even

534
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 6: when we have Jewish education and my kids are in

535
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 6: day school, we don't do a good enough job of

536
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 6: teaching our history because you have two Jews with fourteen opinions,

537
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 6: and no one really wants to have the uncomfortable conversations

538
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 6: within those Jewish communities about you know, history and politics

539
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 6: and reality because we all have different views on that.

540
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Speaker 5: So I think that we have to double down.

541
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Speaker 6: We're so focused as a community on getting beyond the choir.

542
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 6: Let's make sure that we have allies, And for me,

543
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Speaker 6: I want to double down on the choir. I want

544
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 6: to make sure that those kids that are Jewish and

545
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 6: have a Jewish upbringing and they have the privilege of

546
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 6: going to Jewish day school know their history, know their Dudaism,

547
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 6: know their Israel information, so that when they go to

548
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 6: college campuses, they are fully prepared to fight back against

549
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 6: the blatant lies, because that's what it is.

550
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Speaker 3: Right.

551
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Speaker 6: History and current events are gray. No one, you know,

552
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 6: take not to German out of Germany, out of it right.

553
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 6: For the most part, there are no black and white

554
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 6: issues that we're dealing with right now. Whether it's health

555
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 6: care or immigration or the Israeli Palestinian issue. Everything is

556
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 6: a shade of gray, and we've got to get real

557
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 6: comfortable in those sheds of gray and understand that we

558
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Speaker 6: can teach moral clarity while still respecting facts on the ground.

559
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point, and I think that whole

560
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Speaker 1: when you say Jewish education and that focus on each

561
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: individual parent instilling a sense of pride in their children

562
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Speaker 1: and truth, an acceptance and a vulnerability that no one

563
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: gets everything right and no one gets every you know,

564
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Speaker 1: it's that there are ways that you can prepare your kids.

565
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Speaker 1: And to be honest, that's what's changed history, hasn't it.

566
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Speaker 1: It's individuals. It's at home. You can't trust education systems.

567
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Speaker 2: They're infiltrated by people who wish to do us harm.

568
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Speaker 2: And I look at it in.

569
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Speaker 1: A broader sense as well, with Western civilization and trying

570
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Speaker 1: to preserve the qualities and the values that matter to us.

571
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Speaker 2: And I start with my seven.

572
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Speaker 1: Year old and I'm trying to instill in her those

573
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Speaker 1: qualities and those values because at the moment they're going

574
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Speaker 1: to preschool and they're being told where racist, where colonizers,

575
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Speaker 1: This country sucks, don't wave a flag that makes your

576
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: right wing, don't celebrate Australia Day, that makes you a racist.

577
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, why would any of our kids

578
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: fight for what matters in this country when they are

579
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: being told constantly this country sucks? So why would they

580
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: join the military and want to defend our nation if

581
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: they're told that we're racist and we're colonizers. I think

582
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: every parent has to take responsibility, and it's the same

583
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: in the Jewish community. Educate your kids because they won't

584
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: enter the conversation if they're not confident about what to

585
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: say or how to argue, or what the facts are.

586
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: You've got to equip them with that knowledge so they

587
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: can then go out there and fight for themselves and

588
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: feel a sense of pride in that you are.

589
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Speaker 6: Spot on and I have three boys, all under the

590
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Speaker 6: age of ten, and we teach them that patriotism is

591
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 6: not a four letter word, right, no offense to Australia.

592
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 6: But we teach them that having an American passport is

593
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Speaker 6: the greatest passport in the world to have, and there's

594
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Speaker 6: not another one that we would want to have, and

595
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 6: there's nothing wrong with being a patriot and flying the flag,

596
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 6: and that's okay.

597
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 5: And then we teak them to Israel.

598
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 6: Every single year or since they were born, we take

599
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Speaker 6: them to Israel so that they can meet family, so

600
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 6: that they can see the country, they can find that

601
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Speaker 6: love of our history, because that's what's important to us

602
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Speaker 6: as a family. And then we can have the car

603
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 6: conversations as they get older. But you know, I would

604
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Speaker 6: never have known even if it was appropriate to have

605
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Speaker 6: a conversation about the hostages with my children.

606
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Speaker 2: I didn't have a choice.

607
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 5: Once I took them to.

608
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 6: Israel, driving around, they saw everywhere we went pictures on

609
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Speaker 6: the side of the road of the hostages. They saw

610
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 6: yellow ribbons on every single car and asked why we

611
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Speaker 6: didn't have one on our car back home, and why

612
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 6: we weren't going to put one on. And then we

613
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 6: had to have those conversations about being a Jew in

614
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Speaker 6: America and things that we can do inside the house,

615
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 6: horses outside the house, and forced us to get comfortable

616
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 6: in those uncomfortable conversations. But what a gift, because all

617
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 6: of the conversations we're going to have with our children

618
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 6: at some point are going to be uncomfortable.

619
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Speaker 5: Otherwise we're not doing our jobs as parents. So you're

620
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: absolutely right. We have to teach.

621
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Speaker 6: Our children that there is nothing wrong with loving the

622
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Speaker 6: countries that have done well for us.

623
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there's no shame in it. It's such a

624
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Speaker 1: great point you make, And this is it's so relatable,

625
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Speaker 1: I'd say to most people watching and listening now in

626
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: that my daughter, again I've said, is seven. So last

627
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: year year was in year one year before, Kindie, and

628
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: you cannot escape what is happening, particularly if you're in

629
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Speaker 1: the Jewish community.

630
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Speaker 2: And we live in a community.

631
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Speaker 1: That has a lot of Jewish families, And we were

632
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Speaker 1: on the balcony when the Bondi shooting occurred.

633
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Speaker 2: She heard gunshots. We then come inside.

634
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Speaker 1: I'm turning on the news, conscious always of not wanting

635
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Speaker 1: her to see things, but in a moment of panic,

636
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: going how close was it we could hear gunshots.

637
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Speaker 2: I need to know what's happening. I'm calling different people.

638
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: She's seeing all this and I then have to sit

639
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: down and explain to her, and of course the reassurance

640
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: nowhere safe. But I feel like, you know, I would

641
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 1: rather have not her, had her understand that that kind

642
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: of evil exists in the world, I would you know,

643
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Speaker 1: people always stop in the street here, which is so beautiful,

644
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: and they thank me for my voice. And she's as

645
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: she gets older, she's much more curious about I mean,

646
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: she hates it because she's like, why don't they thank me?

647
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets so she.

648
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: Will be some kind of centered star when she's older,

649
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: because she demands the spotlight.

650
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: But I try to explain to.

651
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Speaker 1: Her, well, you know, mummy's you know, standing up for

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Speaker 1: people who you know other people are not being nice

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Speaker 1: and Mummy's trying to fight for them like you would

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Speaker 1: do in the playground, you know, that kind of thing.

655
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Speaker 2: But her understanding is far in excess of.

656
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Speaker 1: What I would have hoped for at her age and

657
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Speaker 1: having to deal with fear and with understanding that there's evil.

658
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Speaker 2: But I feel like for Jewish kids around.

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Speaker 1: The world that trauma is real, and parents have had

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Speaker 1: to have conversations they normally wouldn't have had until they

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Speaker 1: will say ten or eleven or you know that kind

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Speaker 1: of a more appropriate age.

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Speaker 2: But that's all gone out the window, hasn't it.

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Speaker 6: Completely gone out the window? And you know, it's funny

665
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Speaker 6: because a lot of this stuff existed before October seventh, Right,

666
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Speaker 6: every single Jewish institution had security and you didn't go

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Speaker 6: anywhere without security there. But it was almost a passing

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Speaker 6: thought that, of course, we're gonna say, how to the

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Speaker 6: security guards.

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Speaker 5: They're so nice, we really like them.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we're going to give them a fiss bomp, you know,

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Speaker 6: make sure that you know, you bring them water if

673
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Speaker 6: it's a hot day, things like that. Now it is

674
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Speaker 6: such a different story, and you have conversations about well,

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Speaker 6: why are there extra cars outside the school today, and

676
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Speaker 6: making sure that your kids are aware of the security

677
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Speaker 6: that exists for them without, like you said, terrifying them

678
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Speaker 6: of being alive and around.

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Speaker 5: Just this is the reality that we live in.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the.

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Speaker 1: Way media has evolved, and you've got independence podcasters, you know,

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Speaker 1: people who left mainstream media because they were so shackled,

683
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Speaker 1: and now they can tell their truth, even though their

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Speaker 1: truth is often paid for by evil actors and states.

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Speaker 2: But you know that aside.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this is a good thing that people

687
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Speaker 1: now have more choice in where they get their news

688
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Speaker 1: from or is it a greater opportunity for corruption and

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Speaker 1: for disinformation and misinformation.

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of torn, yes, yes to both.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: You know, the way to be a more educated news

693
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Speaker 6: consumer is to consume more news. There is no silver bullet,

694
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Speaker 6: there is no just listen to this person, just read

695
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Speaker 6: this and you'll be great. Even though there are incredible

696
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Speaker 6: people out there, incredible journalists out there, right, so extra news,

697
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Speaker 6: independent news news, all fantastic. That being said, there's even

698
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Speaker 6: less of a check on the information that they provide.

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Speaker 5: And this goes back to the rise of.

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Speaker 6: The internet, honestly, because the Internet was the great equalizer.

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Speaker 5: Now, it didn't matter where you lived, what your economic.

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Speaker 6: Situation was, you had access to the same information as

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Speaker 6: everyone else. And no one taught us what's a primary

704
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Speaker 6: source here, what's a trusted versus, what's a secondary source versus? Hm,

705
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Speaker 6: you know, we don't touch that microfish. We focus on

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Speaker 6: that in psyclopedia, right, All that stuff that we spent

707
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Speaker 6: years in school learning, and now you add the same

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Speaker 6: thing to journalists and it becomes very much an issue

709
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Speaker 6: of who do you trust, and the people who are

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Speaker 6: telling us who to trust are not trustworthy. Right if

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Speaker 6: you go to the Wikipedia accepted sources and who they

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Speaker 6: accept as a source over others.

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Speaker 5: And it's laughable.

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Speaker 6: And half of the media fact checkers that exist out there,

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Speaker 6: when you look at who's advising them, they're some of

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Speaker 6: the worst.

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Speaker 5: Right, you know, There's.

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Speaker 6: There's one media FactCheck organization that prides itself on really

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Speaker 6: teaching media literacy.

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Speaker 5: And Christiana Manpur is one of the lead lead advisors

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Speaker 5: for them.

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Speaker 6: Just Honest Reporting alone in three years has forced three

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Speaker 6: separate apologies out of her for saying things like, uh,

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Speaker 6: you know the d family was killed in a shootout

725
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Speaker 6: when they were actually killed execution styled by terrorists, Right.

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Speaker 2: And that matter is doesn't it so much?

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Speaker 5: That matters? Like you know, we were talking about about

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Speaker 5: what the media does.

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Speaker 6: The story always starts with when Israel fought back, except

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Speaker 6: they don't say when Israel fought back.

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Speaker 5: The story simply starts there.

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Speaker 6: There is zero context of what's happening, and there is

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Speaker 6: an entirely different.

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Speaker 1: Story of that's not true. There's context for Hamasa's invasion

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Speaker 1: of Israel. They say, oh no, there's context. It was,

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Speaker 1: you know, resistance. There's no context for the fighting back,

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Speaker 1: legitimate fight back from Israel.

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Speaker 2: It's insanity there.

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Speaker 5: I think it was something.

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Speaker 6: You know, we developed an AI algorithm software that essentially

741
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Speaker 6: analyzes analyze the media.

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Speaker 5: We can do tens of thousands of articles at a time.

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Speaker 6: And eighty eighty two percent of articles written since October

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Speaker 6: seventh do not mention that Hamas is a terrorist organization.

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Speaker 6: That's that's crazy, right, It is not because the Jews

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Speaker 6: call it a terrorist organization. The Western world has designated

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Speaker 6: it as a terrorist organization. That matters when you're talking

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Speaker 6: about people understanding what's happening.

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Speaker 1: The issue with labeling it would be very difficult for

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Speaker 1: because they would then follow the mention of Hamas with

751
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Speaker 1: says this, many kids have been killed in Gaza, and

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Speaker 1: if they were to label a terrorist organization in their

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Speaker 1: articles or on their reports, it would look very silly

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Speaker 1: of them to then quote exactly word for word a

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Speaker 1: media release from a terrorist organization. So you know, it

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Speaker 1: makes it easier for them to pretend that it's legitimate

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Speaker 1: and that their information is. But you look at places

758
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Speaker 1: like when I was a sports journalist AAP, you were

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Speaker 1: just it was meant to be. And this is you know,

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Speaker 1: associated press, who essentially feed all of the world's media

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Speaker 1: with facts. And when I was a sports host again,

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Speaker 1: it felt very trustworthy. It was facts, it was scores,

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Speaker 1: it was an injury update, it was quotes from an interview.

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Speaker 1: Now that I look at the stuff coming out in

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Speaker 1: this space and they are legitimizing media releases from terrorist organizations,

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Speaker 1: they are appalling people. I used to think we could trust,

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Speaker 1: we can't. Same as United Nations in the holidays, people

768
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Speaker 1: would send me, come on, eron, you know, it's the

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Speaker 1: United Nations and they don't understand.

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Speaker 2: And this is where it's really dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it If an organization has an area of credibility

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Speaker 1: around it, like the United Nations does with a lot

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Speaker 1: of people not with us.

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Speaker 2: We know, you know, people who are invested and engaged. No,

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Speaker 2: but the General brought a public say.

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Speaker 1: It is this body for peace that is not biased

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Speaker 1: in any way. That's the real danger, isn't it When

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Speaker 1: when those organizations a spouting terrorist propaganda.

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Speaker 6: Look at doctors without Borders, which was once you know

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Speaker 6: me or Saved the Children, which is you know mis

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Speaker 6: Rachel has been quoting here, I have UNISEEF, but you

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Speaker 6: know they quoted Hamas for years, right, two and a

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Speaker 6: half years over seventy percent of the dead are are

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Speaker 6: women and children. And when Hamas's own data was published

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Speaker 6: showing that fifty two percent of the dead were males

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Speaker 6: of military age, Yeah, I don't remember getting an email

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Speaker 6: from from Save the Children saying that that.

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Speaker 5: Double got it wrong.

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Speaker 2: You know you may have got into junk.

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Speaker 6: No, No, someone signed me up or Save the Children

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Speaker 6: in emails. I'm getting all of them to Judith, everything on.

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Speaker 6: I have gotten more attraction. And with Doctors without Borders,

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Speaker 6: you know, they're making this seem as though Israel is

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Speaker 6: banning doctors without Borders. No, Israel is implementing safety procedures.

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Speaker 6: And as soon as Hamas ordered the NGOs operating within

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Speaker 6: Gaza not to release their list of employees as Israel

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Speaker 6: EXCEP asked for two days later or three days later,

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Speaker 6: Doctors without Borders came out and said that they wouldn't

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Speaker 6: be releasing in order to protect their employees. But no

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Speaker 6: one talks about that the headline is Israel is banning

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Speaker 6: doctors without door borders.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and doctors when you look at doctors inside

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Speaker 1: of Gaza, I mean, look at the doctor who's actually

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Speaker 1: a Hamask colonel who's writing opinion pieces slamming Israel being.

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Speaker 2: Called a pediatrician.

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Speaker 1: You know, someone who's dedicated their lives to saving people's

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Speaker 1: lives and children and cares deeply.

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Speaker 2: He's a hummus colonel. I mean.

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Speaker 1: We could go on forever and ever. We've partnered up

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Speaker 1: to do some really powerful videos, which I think is

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait for everyone to see them as they

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Speaker 1: come out. And these are some of the most well

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Speaker 1: known incidents. And again you just said, I haven't got

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Speaker 1: the email yet. A lot of what we're covering is

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Speaker 1: these these incidents and these lies that went completely viral

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Speaker 1: and then the correctional or then when the truth came

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Speaker 1: out and it's not your truth on Mitra, it's the

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Speaker 1: truth came out completely buried, or a pr account with

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Speaker 1: one millionth of the followers do little Oh by the way,

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Speaker 1: not apology, but no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: You know, And that's the issue, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Because the narrative that existed prior and that was wrong

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Speaker 1: is the one that stays and the correction is buried.

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Speaker 6: And you know, it's it's amazing that you said it

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Speaker 6: like that, because that's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 5: It's the whole idea of a picture is worth a

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Speaker 5: thousand words. It's that initial headline you're going to read.

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Speaker 5: But they're also doing it with pictures.

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Speaker 6: It's they are publishing pictures that are fully just sieged.

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Speaker 6: They're fully say they're on the same street everywhere. Every

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Speaker 6: single tinpot that they're collecting food in is perfectly clean.

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Speaker 6: It's never been it's never been used before, and they're

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Speaker 6: stinking it so that you have.

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Speaker 5: An emotional response to it.

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Speaker 6: And that's why I'm so excited about this partnership that

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Speaker 6: we're doing, because helping people understand what is.

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Speaker 5: Out there is critical because people want to know.

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Speaker 6: And that, by the way, it goes back to someone

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Speaker 6: said earlier today on x a tweet gone viral that

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Speaker 6: Jews need to stop telling the world that Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 6: is anti Semitic, and I don't.

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Speaker 5: Agree with that. I think that we've done.

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Speaker 6: A terrible job of explaining how he's anti Semitic and

844
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Speaker 6: how can this is anti Semitic, and that we have

845
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Speaker 6: to stop using the word anti Semitic and stop name

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Speaker 6: calling and start helping people understand how to make the

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Speaker 6: kids and that's what we're going to do together their.

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Speaker 1: Eyes now when they say those kind of words, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't actually have the impact that it should and

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Speaker 1: it deserves to have, but we're in a position where

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Speaker 1: it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Jackie Alexander, you are amazing. Thank you for the incredible work.

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Speaker 1: I'm so proud to be working with you guys as well,

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to do more and more with you.

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Speaker 2: And thank you for the fight.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me on. This was great,

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Speaker 6: and thank you for everything you're doing for us.

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Speaker 1: Are amazing. Bless you well. I hope you've enjoyed this episode.

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Speaker 1: Before we go, let's do a little bit of fan feedback.

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Speaker 1: Ao C my segment on her, not just on the

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Speaker 1: fact she couldn't answer a very simple question about what

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Speaker 1: the US's position is in regards to Taiwan, nor that

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Speaker 1: she completely lied through her teeth in the most dangerous

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Speaker 1: of ways talking about Israel being responsible for a genocide,

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Speaker 1: which is bs on every level, which I know you

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Speaker 1: know well. See she tried to take aim at Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 1: who gave his speech for the Ages. She is abhorrent

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Speaker 1: and she made no sense when she was trying to

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Speaker 1: talk about cultures evolving. So of course we exposed her

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Speaker 1: for her being completely incapable on the world stage, capitulating

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to hear what you guys thought, Gregor.

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Speaker 2: Woman says, but bute.

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Speaker 1: But on this YouTube page you see hundreds of channels

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Speaker 1: and their comments section praising her for her oratory skills,

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Speaker 1: her deep insights into international affairs, and her courageous run

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Speaker 1: to be president. I know that's why channels like this

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Speaker 1: need to keep pushing so more people can actually see

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Speaker 1: the truth. You're exactly right, Itamar says. AOC is a

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Speaker 1: gift of substandard intelligence. It keeps on giving opportunities to laugh. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is very entertaining. When you think she reached her

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Speaker 1: own rock bottom. She exceeds herself, making even Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: look slightly intelligent. That's not easy to do, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and someone should show her where the first cowboys in

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Speaker 1: the world who were well exactly right. She tried to

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Speaker 1: mock Rubio, but he was right spot on. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a look at what else you thought?

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Speaker 2: Here we go?

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Speaker 1: Oh you're I mean, I'm not just going to read

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Speaker 1: out compliments, but thank you. Robel wish you are very sweet.

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Speaker 1: Adapt of Eagle says Marco. Rubio operates on an entirely

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Speaker 1: different level. You're absolutely right, Sky my lineer says AOC

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Speaker 1: Mum Danny or Newsome Omar for.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: It would almost be gift, wouldn't it. It would be

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Speaker 1: a slight gift. Craig says, I heard crickets. You did

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Speaker 1: hear crickets? I miss the crickets. Maybe we bring back

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Speaker 1: the crickets. David Schwimmer from Friends sent me a message

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Speaker 1: on Instagram a little while back and said he loved

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Speaker 1: the crickets.

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Speaker 2: That I use on my show. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Jim Winship says a modern Gettysburg address. Jonathan one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent agree erin un has said please run please. If

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Speaker 1: he's talking about me for president, that's going to be

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Speaker 1: a little bit difficult given I'm an Australian. But bless

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Speaker 1: your cotton socks, love you all. We've got a big

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Speaker 1: episode tomorrow. We've got former Ambassador Friedman, the US Ambassador

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Speaker 1: to Israel coming on, and he is fired up. I

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Speaker 1: got to sit next to him at a dinner a

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Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and when he was telling me

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Speaker 1: some of his thoughts about the current situation. He was

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Speaker 1: a man, of course, that convinced Donald Trump to move

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Speaker 1: the embassy to Jerusalem, so he knows a thing or

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Speaker 1: two about how this president operates.

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Speaker 2: Cannot wait for your company on that episode. Take care

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