1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: Christians often think theology is only for scholars or maybe 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: the spiritual elite, but that just simply isn't true. While 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: theology is in one sense an academic discipline, it can 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: also be understood as really the art of knowing our creator. 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: God invites us to know Him as we are fully 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: known by Him, So theology goes beyond the study of 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: just the character of God and into the art of 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: knowing the one who already knows and intimately loves us 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: his believers. Theology is important for everyone, but if it's 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: too dense, it can be hard to digest. So today 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about biblical literacy and why 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: it's important to learn who God is. Welcome back to 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: another episode of your Hope Field Perspective, where it's always 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: our goal to restore hope and empower listeners to live 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: in your God given identity. I'm your host, doctor Michelle Bankson, 17 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: and I'm so glad you've chosen to spend a few 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: minutes of your week with us. Today we're going to 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: be talking about biblical literacy and why it's important to 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: learn who God is. So to start off this episode, 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: I want to remind you of verse out of numbers 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: numbers twenty three, verse nineteen that says God is not 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: a man that he should lie, or a son of 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: man that he should change his mind? Has he said 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: and will he not do it? Or has he spoken 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: and will he not fulfill it? God has made so 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 2: many promises in his word, but it's up to us 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: to know what he has said. I'm excited about today's 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: conversation because you get to meet my friend Jenny Randall, 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: who's an Emmy Award winning editor who went on a 31 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: journey to discover what it really means to live on 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: purpose from a career in the heart of Hollywood to 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: a Bible teacher. Her voice and work have been featured 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: in hundreds of notable films, print and media outlets, and 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: she's joining us today. Last year, in twenty twenty four, 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: Jenny formed the Holy Spirit Ministry Center. You may know 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: her as the author of Courageous, Creative, Getting to Know 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: God's Voice, Dream Come True and her newest book, Flash Theology. 39 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: Jenny received her Masters in Theology at Asbury Theological Seminary, 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: and she and her husband Matt live on an island. 41 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: You heard that right in northern Florida with their two kids. 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to the program, Jenny. 43 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: Hi, Michelle, thanks so much for having me on. 44 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 2: Today's such an important conversation, because what I've found with 45 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: so many that I talked to is that even growing 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: up in the church, often we haven't learned who God is, 47 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: so we develop misperceptions. Can I say so? In your 48 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: book Flash Theology, A Biblical Guide to Knowing and Enjoying 49 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: God More, I'm curious what led you to write that. 50 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: I always start off every Bible study that I ever 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 3: teach that we all carry a theological bias. So we 52 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: all enter into a variety of conversations and our own 53 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: circumstances within our life carrying a bias towards who we 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: think God is. And that is based on a whole 55 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: bunch of different things. How we are raised, different things 56 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: you hear over time, the media you consume, the church 57 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 3: you attend. All these different facets of how we view 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: God and the way we absorb information can help us 59 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: view God biblically or not biblically at all. As I 60 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: stepped into writing and authoring the first three books I wrote, 61 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: I would hire my brother in law, Branden Brookshire, who 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: is a pastor, academic scholar, and he was always kind 63 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: of my theological eyes on the projects to make sure 64 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: I actually was doing things properly and biblical. And we 65 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: had so much fun, and we would always almost get 66 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: in trouble at family parties, like my husban would be like, 67 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: can we talk about something else other than theology because 68 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: we just be like the Bible nerds in the corner, 69 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: wanting to talk about all the things. And we dreamed 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: into doing a project together and this is kind of 71 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: the best of both of our brains, a creative adventure 72 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: into who God is and the theology that helps shape 73 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 3: us to be better Christ followers and walk for Christ. 74 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: So this was this is the project that came from 75 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: all of our dreaming into how can we use our 76 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: brains for the good? And that's that's flash theology. 77 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: Why are so many Christians overwhelmed with this big word theology. 78 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost seems like a cuss word for it 79 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 3: suffs like no, I think, because oftentimes that word is 80 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: as as you already mentioned, is associated with academics and scholars, 81 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: so there is kind of a hefty price tag to it. 82 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,119 Speaker 1: But theology is simply the study of God. 83 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: So if we are just es that easy definition, then 84 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: if you open up the Bible, you. 85 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: Are studying the Christian God. 86 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 3: So it really everybody that opens up the Bible is 87 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 3: a theologian. Of course, there are the academic theologians, but 88 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: I like to say we're all We're all theologians, and 89 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: we should take ownership of that because that helps us 90 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: realize it is a worthy pursuit to understand God and 91 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: his text. 92 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: So then what are Christians missing out on when we 93 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: leave theology to the pastors and scholars because it is 94 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: such a heady word that we think, oh, I don't 95 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: have enough education, right, So what do we miss out on? 96 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: Then we miss out on. 97 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: So much because we're leaving it to those that are 98 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 3: called to lead us. Right, we're saying, okay, which is good, 99 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: we should trust our leaders, but we should also be hey, 100 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: is that actually biblically accurate? I love if I go 101 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: to teach the Bible somewhere. I love when people do 102 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: their digging afterwards and make sure that I actually taught 103 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 3: the text properly. I think we should do that every 104 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: Sunday's permit that we have because people are people, and 105 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: I'm not saying if your pastor gets it wrong, leave 106 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: the church. But we should have a hunger and an 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: understanding to pursue a depth. 108 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Of who God is. 109 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: And that's not always going to be accurate in the 110 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: different areas of consumption, like those twenty second reels on 111 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 3: social media that we come across. You are worthy, You're 112 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 3: so worth it. How many times have we heard these 113 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 3: false messages almost disguised as the truth of what something 114 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: God would say, but it's a little twisted out of context, 115 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: and then there's deception there. So yes, we are worthy 116 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: because Christ himself died on the cross of our sins, right, 117 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: so there's that sanctification. But if we so Yeah, Anyways, 118 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: I could go on a tangent on a lot of 119 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: half truths, but I will. I'll say, what's that conversation 120 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: for later? But I think it's important for us to 121 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: dig in so we can battle the deception and so 122 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: we can actually know who was worthy of our worship, 123 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: and that is Christ and Christ alone. 124 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: I think it's really important, just as you said after 125 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 2: the Sunday sermon, that we're going home and digging in 126 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: for ourselves because we've seen too many times where the 127 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: church has been lulled into complacency, leave what is spoken 128 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: without questioning it to go back for ourselves. Just a 129 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: couple of weekends ago, we were visiting a church and 130 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: a pastor had us repeat a prayer after him, and 131 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: it was all well and good until he got to 132 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: like a three word phrase and I just bolted up, like, 133 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: uh uh no, no, no, that's not biblical. And I 134 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: wrote it down so that I could go and investigate 135 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: it later. But had I not had that Holy Spirit 136 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: kind of nudge, it would have been easy just to 137 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: recite what he said, because he's the pastor, he's supposed 138 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: to know better. But the problem is we're finding that 139 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: in too many churches, the Bible is not being preached, 140 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: some perception of the Bible is being preached. Part of 141 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: what I think is difficult is sometimes we get to 142 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: passages in scripture and we don't understand we don't understand 143 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: the cultural norms, we don't understand phrases and what they 144 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: meant back then. But share how in Flash Theology, one 145 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: of your goals was to actually make scripture accessible to 146 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: the reader. 147 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we First of all, I love what you 148 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: shared about your church experience and how you brought up 149 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: how the Holy Spirit kind of helped you discern that's 150 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: not okay. And then you didn't stop there, you took 151 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: it a step further. We were like, let's dig in and 152 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: find the relevance here. I think that those are two 153 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: good things people, your listeners can take away from this 154 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: conversation alone. But yeah, we tried to make a flash 155 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: theology easy to digest. So it's very visual. It's a 156 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: visual guide, so there's a lot of graphics. It's graphically driven, 157 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: just talking about when you're talking about the culture, culture 158 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: norm and like there are things in scripture called the 159 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: meta narrative of the Bible. This is just one example 160 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: of how we try to make this conversation accessible. 161 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: Through Genesis to Revelation, there's. 162 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: A storyline of scripture that's happening, and it is revealing Christ. 163 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: All throughout scripture, who Christ is is being. 164 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: Revealed, And oftentimes if we don't understand the overarching theme 165 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: of scripture, we won't understand the importance of the Old 166 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: Testament and how it connects to the New Testament and 167 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: who the Messiah is is being walked out right before 168 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: our fairy eyes. So just one example of making Scripture 169 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: accessible is showing that mena narrative throughout the scripture and 170 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: showing it visually, and that's like one of the first chapters. 171 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: So you can understand, Okay, this is we are to 172 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: always look for Jesus and see where he is in 173 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: the storyline, and then that'll help us continue to understand 174 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: who he is and what that means for us. 175 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: Love it, friends. We're going to put all the information 176 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: about Jenny and her ministry and all of our books 177 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: in the show notes that you can find at doctor 178 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: Michelle b dot com. We're going to take our real 179 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 2: quick break, but I want you to stick with us 180 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 2: because when we return from this break, we're going to 181 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 2: continue this conversation about the importance of biblical literacy and 182 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: why it's important to learn who God is. We'll be 183 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: right back. Welcome back to your Hope Field perspective, where 184 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: my guest today is my friend Jenny Randall, who's written 185 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: this book, co written a book called Flash Theology, and 186 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: we'll put all the information about where you can find 187 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: that in the show notes. Jenny, what happens when we're 188 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: fully known by God? 189 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is totally a trick question because God 190 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: knows us already, right, So it's really this question of 191 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: do we embrace the fact that He fully knows us? 192 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: Do we understand the depth of his love? And I 193 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: can only imagine that it's a consistently we're walking out 194 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: understanding the depths of his love until we're face to 195 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 3: face with Jesus. So because I mean, even in Luke 196 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: twelve seven it says he knows the number of hairs 197 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: on our head, which is which is wild. 198 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: Because I don't. I'm like constantly having hair fall out 199 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: of my ada. I'm like, do you know him number now? 200 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 3: Lord? But he does, which is crazy. When we can 201 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: embrace the truth that we are fully known by a 202 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 3: God who loves us, by a God that is for us, 203 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: by God that knows the beginning from the end, it 204 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 3: creates this stabilizing truth in our life that will carry 205 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: us when our circumstances are out of control, when the 206 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: world feels like it's mass chaos, when something comes at us, 207 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: when we're not prepared, like there is a stabilizing truth 208 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: that God is good, he is sovereign, He is my 209 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: savior for those that declare Christ as their Lord and savior, 210 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: and that stabilizing truth in itself is something that will 211 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 3: help you continue to move. 212 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Forward until we are again face to face with Jesus. 213 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: When we start to really understand what that means. Like 214 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: you said, God has always fully known us, And when 215 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: we can really start to accept that and receive that, 216 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: I think that's when we really start to live in 217 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: the abundant life that Jesus came to give, when we 218 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: realize the depths of his love, his grace, his mercy, 219 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: his forgiveness, and that he does know every time we 220 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: lose a hair or an eyelash. He knows the numbers 221 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: like who else knows us that intimately nobody, but yet 222 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: who else loves us despite knowing our every fault? Nobody 223 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: but God. I think that's really the stepping stone to 224 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: walk into that abundant life that Jesus came to give. Jenny, 225 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: what skepticisms or challenges do you see that people often 226 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: experience when it comes to theology. 227 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: The greatest skepticism I see within women, and I would 228 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 3: love to hear your thought as well. Michelle on this, 229 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: The biggest wrestling match I've seen in ministry is people, 230 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: maybe people in general, but understanding God is Father. So 231 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: in flash theology, we share a whole bunch. There's thirty 232 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: one truths about who God is inherently holy, he is relational, 233 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: He's savior, He's our friend, our protector, our healer. And 234 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: then chapter eight, God is our Father. And that is 235 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: a hard one, Like we're talking about the depth understanding 236 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: the depth of who God is. That's been a hard 237 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: one for a lot of people to fully embrace, especially 238 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: people that have had a father figure or lack of 239 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: a father figure that has been unhealthy. So a lot 240 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: of the truths of who God is, some we've already mentioned, 241 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: some we're talking about now. It's almost like this wrestling 242 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: match with the Holy Spirit has to happen to be 243 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 3: able to fully embrace almost the fullness of what that means, 244 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: to understand God as Father. And I think we're human, right, 245 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: So there's layers of unraveling that are constantly happening. But 246 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: I found that that the hardest truth that I've seen 247 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: is God as Father. Do you have anything to expand 248 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: on that or have you seen something different in your 249 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: ministry efforts? 250 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: So often our view of God as Father is directly 251 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: impacted by our relationship with the parental figures that we're 252 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: in our life, and the problem with that is that 253 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: we're relating to a perfect God using a flawed metric. 254 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: But the thing that has been most helpful in working 255 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: with patients is helping them explore the fact that even 256 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: if they were abandoned by their earthly father or their 257 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: earthly father was not a kind person, God as father, 258 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: specifically chose us, made the loving choice that he wanted 259 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: us to be a child. And so when we can 260 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: get past looking at our earthly parents and projecting those 261 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: traits on God and recognize that God was so sovereign 262 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: that he chose us from the very beginning. But one 263 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: of the things that people struggle with is but if 264 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: God really loved me, then why did he let that 265 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: that happened? And we could never exhaust the conversation on 266 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: that because we live in a fallen world and there 267 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: are consequences going back thousands and thousands of years from 268 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: our previous ancestors. Yet God is still good, He still 269 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: loves us. He sent his son to die for us 270 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: to prove his love. And when we don't accept that, 271 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: it's like saying, Jesus, what you did on that cross, 272 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: it didn't matter. It wasn't enough, and that was something 273 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: I had to wrestle with, like, was Jesus's death for 274 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: me enough? And I got to the place where I 275 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: said yes, but that's part of that wrestle that I 276 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: think has to happen for us to look at God 277 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: more accurately. 278 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's the most worthy wrestling match we can 279 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: half because I remember so for me, I became a 280 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: Christian at the age of eighteen and I was invited to. 281 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: A church play. 282 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: Was I was raised in the Catholic church, so this 283 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 3: this was a Pentecostal, wild and crazy church. 284 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: So they invited me to church play and I became 285 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: a Christian. I understood who Jesus was. 286 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: June fourth, the year two thousand and I remember walking 287 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: out those doors and being like, God chose to make 288 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 3: the grass green. 289 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: This is amazing. 290 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: Like just the lens from which I viewed the world 291 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: just one hundred percent was totally different night and day. 292 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 3: And I know that for some it's not always that 293 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: pinpoint of oh, that's when I became a Christian. For 294 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: some they're raised with the truth of who God is 295 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: and it's just kind of ingrained in them and then. 296 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: They realized, oh, I have been following Jesus or something 297 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: like that. But like I said, we all have this 298 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: theological bias. 299 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: We all have these different thoughts about God and even Denominationally, 300 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: there are some things that are shaping us that might 301 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: not be true that we have to hold up to 302 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: the truth of scripture, like healing. The topic of healing, 303 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: for example, has been a wrestling match in a lot 304 00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: of people's lives. 305 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: There's been really bad theology on that. 306 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 3: And if there's a listener or somebody that is battling 307 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 3: an illness, it's like, if you don't have the proper 308 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 3: theology of God is Healer, then you're going to be 309 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: walking out some really hard times, also missing out that 310 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 3: God is kind, God is loving. God puts people in 311 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: our path to help us and support, you know, just 312 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: all these different facets of who God is and how 313 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 3: He wants to come alongside us and walk with us 314 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: through these harder things in life, and he wants to 315 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: use us to walk alongside others in these harder things 316 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: of life too. 317 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, I'm going on a tangent. 318 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: But like you mentioned, it does start with understanding God 319 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: as savior, as Christ as Savior, and from there we're 320 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: able to walk out our own narrative of what it 321 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: means to be a follower of Christ. 322 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: You've led a really interesting life, and so as a 323 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 2: former Hollywood Emmy Award winning editor, what led you to 324 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: become a Bible teacher of all things? 325 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: Oh? 326 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: I ignored the calling for a really long time. So 327 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: you know how when you feel God kind of awakening 328 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: something in you and it's terrifying and it makes you 329 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 3: want to run away crying. That was me for ten years. 330 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: So I felt as if the Holy Spirit when I 331 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: was working in the entertainment industry, I felt as if 332 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: he said, I've called you to be a speaker. And 333 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: at that time I didn't really know what that meant. 334 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: I was at a church where there was a woman preaching, 335 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 3: which is rare, so that was kind of exciting. And 336 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: I remember I told one friend I feel called to 337 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: be a speaker, and that friend said, well, why would 338 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: you do that? Just like that, just an innocent why 339 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: would you do that? And I for ten years I 340 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: twisted those words too. You're not worthy, you're dumb, you're stupid, 341 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 3: you can't even tell a story and land a plane 342 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: on it, like just everything, And I would see other 343 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 3: people do what I felt called to do, and there 344 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 3: was something in my soul that would be like connect 345 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 3: with it and be like, oh, maybe I could do this. 346 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: And eventually I remember I was driving around one day 347 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: in Hollywood, and you know, it's just it's so it's 348 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 3: such a fun city because everyone, almost everyone there is 349 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 3: like dreamers. They moved to Hollywood because they have a 350 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 3: big dream to pursue. So I'm driving around listening to 351 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: worship music just I'm in love with the city, and 352 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: I felt this deep conviction from God where he was like. 353 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: You've been making this calling. You've been making this all 354 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: about yourself. 355 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: And it was that like gut punch of like oh gosh, 356 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: I better pay attention. And what I felt him saying 357 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: in my spirit was, you've been making this all about you. 358 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: This really has nothing to do with you. 359 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 3: Do you trust that I can fill the spaces between 360 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 3: you and this dream that I've called you to pursue. 361 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: So of course I ugly cried. I repented. I said, 362 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: I'm so I'm so sorry God, And I've tried to 363 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: be faithful with what He's asked me to do up 364 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: until this point, but I just had to have that 365 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: turning point of realizing this isn't about me, that this 366 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: is like the simple question of will I do what 367 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: God asked me to do? 368 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: Simply because He asked me to do it? 369 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: Is that enough? 370 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: And my answer, of course should have been yes, let's go. 371 00:19:59,080 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm ready, But. 372 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 3: I've I made it all about me, and I think 373 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: that's when we start to get in trouble. And I 374 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: think even with biblical, biblical literacy, we always make it 375 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 3: about ourselves. And that's also when we get into trouble. 376 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: So it's kind of a kind of a twofold one 377 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: two punch to my heart. But here I am years 378 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: later walking it out. It's not easy, but we're doing it. 379 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: It isn't that how the enemy works. The enemy makes 380 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 2: it all about us because he doesn't want it to 381 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: be all about God. And your story underscores the power 382 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: of our words because you had this unction, and yet 383 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: a friend says, why would you do that? Your friend 384 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: listening to the enemy and speaking to you made you 385 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: doubt you when that wasn't what God asked. God wanted 386 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: to use you, but he wanted to do it through you. 387 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: But the enemy always makes it about us, and when 388 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: he can get that doubt in our mind one half. 389 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: The battle right there. Yeah, it's the. 390 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: Same thing that he did in Genesis. Did God really 391 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: say that? It's kind of like that friend said, Jenny, 392 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: did God really say that to you? It comes back 393 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: to that same mo o and it just makes me 394 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: mad because I wonder how many people are listening today 395 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: who have felt the unction of God calling them into 396 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: something and self doubt has interfered. Frenzy. If that is you, 397 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: If God is calling you into something, He's gonna equip you. 398 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: He's gonna walk with you, he's going to train you, 399 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: he's going to bring along mentors, he's going to provide 400 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: the finances. Listen to Jenny's story. It's not all about you, 401 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: It's about him. Okay, and of Brant. 402 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: Friends, we're gonna have good. But when we come. 403 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: Back, we'll wrap up this conversation with Jenny about why 404 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: it's so important to learn who God is. We'll be 405 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: right back. Welcome back, Jenny. Today we're talking about why 406 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: it's important to learn who God is. And before we 407 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: were before the break, we were talking about God's call 408 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: to bring you as a Bible teacher, and how you 409 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: even questioned who were you to do that. 410 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: What if a. 411 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 2: Listener is having those same questions today, What if they're thinking, 412 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: I don't understand the Bible. I didn't study Greek, I 413 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 2: didn't study Hebrew. I don't know more than what is 414 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: written plainly on the page. What would you say to them? 415 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: I would say, join a Bible study. 416 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 3: There's so many, so many valuable resources that can teach 417 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: you how to do inductive Bible study, how to understand 418 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: the cultural context of the passage you're reading, how to 419 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 3: observe the text, and then how to apply to our lives. 420 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: Oftentimes this well, when I first became a Christian, I 421 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 3: would just open up the text and be like, yes, Lord, okay. 422 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: That's what we want to learn today. And I had 423 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: there was no method to my madness. It's almost embarrassing. 424 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: But I've since learned how to study the Bible and 425 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: how to sit with it, because we can read it, 426 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: but it's something different when we sit with the text 427 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 3: and at say, make it come alive to me, Lord. 428 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: And there's a lot of different ways we can do that. 429 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: So if one is feeling like they don't know where 430 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: to start, they could start reading the Gospels. They could 431 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 3: watch go to the Bible Project, great resource. They share 432 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: the overarching theme of each book of the Bible. So 433 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 3: you could say you're going to read the Book of Matthew. 434 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: You can watch the Bible Project Overview of Matthew, so 435 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: now you have more of a context of what was 436 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: happening within the text that you're reading. And then just 437 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: slowly start to sit and wrestle with the scriptures and 438 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: ask your pastor if you have questions. My hope is 439 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: that churches, the local churches are discipling you to be 440 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 3: followers of Christ. And then just get resourced up and 441 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: just slow, slowly, slowly, and Charlie, start to dig in. 442 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 3: And also invite the Holy Spirit into your reading process, 443 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 3: because like I said, we can read or listen to 444 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: the text, but it's one thing to say, like, Holy Spirit, 445 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 3: make this come alive and show me how to apply 446 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: this to my life as well. 447 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: I love that last recommend because when Jesus left and 448 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: he said I'm going to send one to remind you 449 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: of all truth, I was talking about the Holy Spirit. 450 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: But the Holy Spirit can't remind us of truth that 451 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: we haven't already taken in. So when you were reading 452 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: the Word, do just as Jenny says, and invite the 453 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: Holy Spirit to teach you truth and those words are 454 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: going to come alive off the page, Jenny. As we 455 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: wrap up this episode, if a listener is resonating with 456 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: our conversation today, what hope filled perspective do you want 457 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 2: to leave them with? 458 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: The greatest hope I have is the remembrance of a 459 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: couple of things, and it's about the character of God, 460 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 3: and it shaped my theology beyond. I don't know any 461 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: self help thing we could find, and it's not. God 462 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 3: is good, he is. 463 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: Sovereign, and He's worthy of my worship. 464 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, whatever circumstances, I'm 465 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 3: facing my greatest successes. If I remember God is good, 466 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 3: he is sovereign, He's worthy of my worship, then I'm 467 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 3: going to be okay. So I prayerfully impart that to 468 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: your listeners as well. When we have that has the 469 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 3: foundation within our relationship of Christ, I believe we will 470 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: be able to continue to walk faithfully in obedience towards 471 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: all the things He asks of us. 472 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing out of your experience your wisdom. Listeners, 473 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: you're going to want to pick up a copy of 474 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: flash theology. As we close this episode today, I just 475 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: want to remind you of the scripture that comes out 476 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: of Hebrews four twelve that says, for the Word of 477 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 2: God is a live and active sharper than any double 478 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: edged sword. It penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, 479 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: joints and marrow, and it judges the thoughts and attitudes 480 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: of the heart. Friends, I hope that you will use 481 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: the encouragement from my conversation with Jenny today to get 482 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: into the Word, to study the Word, to learn who 483 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: God is and who He wants to be for you. Friends, 484 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: if you're going through a difficult time, that's your resource. 485 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: Above all, be in the Word of God, because he 486 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: tells us in his Word that his Word gives us 487 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: everything we need for life and godliness. So make that 488 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 2: your plumbline. It's been a delight to be with you 489 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: on this episode of your Hope Field Perspective. I look 490 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 2: forward to having another conversation with you next week, but 491 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: until we meet them, it's my preyer for you that 492 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: you have a hope filled week. 493 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 4: Thank you for joining doctor Banks and for your Hope 494 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 4: Build perspective. We hope you were encouraged by her authenticity, vulnerability, 495 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 4: and biblical truths. 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