1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: He's editor in chief of breit Bart News and a 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: New York Times best selling author, and on this podcast 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: he brings deep research, prescient analysis at world class guests. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: He's Alex Marlow, and this is the Alex Marlow Show. 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: All right, we're podcasting, and those of you who been 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: listening to live radio show, No, I'm doing three additional 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: podcasts in addition to the live show. And I'm playing 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: with some formats because it's really sort of a free 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: form space and if you have any thoughts on some 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: of the formats, I'm testing out a lowhat. Alexmarlow dot 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: com is always where to find me. One of the 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: concepts I think I want to do just about every 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: week is have a specific friend of the show or 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: friend Marlow and Friends I think is what I was 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: calling it last time. Marlow and Friends were someone who 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: I've known for a long time and have a great 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: rapport with and they come in and enjoy me to 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: talk about the news. I also want to have a 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: deep dive with an expert every week on a topic. 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: And what's interesting here is that this could be either 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: because Joe Pollock is with me, who's an expert on 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: an old manner of things. He was a close friend 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: of Scott Adams, who I mentioned on the last Live 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: show passed Away, who was really one of the leaders 25 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: of our field. And he's also an expert in the 26 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: Middle East, the Palisades fires, among other things. He's got 27 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: quite a toolkit available to him. But we've also been 28 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: friends for a long time, well over a decade, and 29 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: so I don't know which episode this would classify as, 30 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: but Joel's here. He's now the editor of the California Post. 31 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: Of course worked for me and with me at Breitbart 32 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: for a long time. So opinion editor California Post, which 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: is the sort of New York Posts spinoff in California, 34 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: which is a cool operation. Everyone should check it out. 35 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: And Joel, welcome back to the Breitbart Content. 36 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: It's good to be back with the family. 37 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're here, and we're glad you're here because I 38 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: wanted to talk to you last week about Palisads fires 39 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: and I couldn't get around to it. I kind of 40 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: wanted to talk to you about Iran, and then now 41 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: I definitely want to talk to you about Scott Adams, 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: because Scott was a guy who is pretty legendary figure 43 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: in our movement, and I didn't know him at all. 44 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: You knew him pretty well. You guys worked together on 45 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: things in the past. And I think I misspoke earlier 46 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: and said that you guys wrote a book together, which 47 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: you just corrected me and said, it's not true. But 48 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: you are working his biography, which is pretty fascinating. But 49 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: just before we dive into his life and lessons, tell 50 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: me about your history with him. 51 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: Well. I had followed his work for a long time. 52 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 3: I had been a fan of Dilbert, and then he 53 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 3: wrote an incredible book in twenty thirteen called How to 54 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: Fail At Almost Everything and Still When, And it was 55 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 3: an incredible business book about how to organize your life 56 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: and how to succeed even in the face of failure 57 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 3: and all kinds of obstacles. And it's really a remarkable book. 58 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: It's one of the most influential business books of the 59 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 3: last decade or decade and a half. And I sent 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: one to my brother who was at business school at 61 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: the time and it and it really has changed lives, 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: that book. So I thought, this guy is really interesting. 63 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: There's a lot more to him than the Dilbert cartoon, 64 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: which continued to be very funny and very insightful, but 65 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: there's just this other element that goes beyond criticism into 66 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: advice about life and business and success. And then he 67 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: started blogging about politics, and people started pointing to his 68 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: prediction in twenty fifteen after the first Republican debate that 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: Donald Trump would win the nomination and probably win the presidency. 70 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: And this was very unusual at the time because Trump 71 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: was still seen as someone running a vanity project, not 72 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: very serious, maybe embarrassing to the GOP with all the 73 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: other stellar candidates on stage. And Scott saw what he 74 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: did in that first debate, specifically how he answered the 75 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: really tough question thrown at him by Megan Kelly about 76 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: his past treatment of women, and he said only Rosie O'Donnell, 77 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: and that instantly dealt with the issue. And Scott said, 78 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: this guy has persuasion abilities on a level that he 79 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: has never seen before. And Scott was sensitive to that 80 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: because in addition to being a cartoonist and an entrepreneur, 81 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: he'd also become a trained hypnotist and he understood how 82 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: to manipulate language. So he saw something in Trump that 83 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: was extraordinary. So I followed his writing, and then a 84 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: year later I interviewed him for Breitbart actually in the 85 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 3: summer of twenty sixteen, right after the Democratic National Convention, 86 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: when Trump was really in a slump. If you remember, 87 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: it was right before Steve Mannon left Breitbart to go 88 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: and run. Yeah. Yeah, that was a. 89 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: Really dark moment in the campaign. It looked pretty pretty 90 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: desperate at that moment. 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: It was pretty desperate. Remember the guy named Kaiser Khan 92 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: who waived the Constitution at Trump I reme, He's on 93 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: the convention floor when that happened, and I remember looking 94 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: up at the stage and thinking, Okay, that's going to 95 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: leave a mark. And it did, and there was no 96 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: real clear direction. Steve left Breitbart went to the Trump 97 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: campaign focused the campaign on the voters that it needed 98 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: to reach and the audience that Breitbart frankly had developed. 99 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: And these were working class voters who were conservatives but 100 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: also skeptical of traditional conservative orthodoxy on trade and on immigration, 101 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: this consensus that we just needed as many immigrants as possible. 102 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: And Trump spoke to that audience and once he focused 103 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: his message with Steve's help, he started building a huge 104 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: amount of momentum. And there were so many pitfalls and 105 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: challenges and obstacles along the way, but Scott stuck with 106 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: his prediction and he began to offer insights on each 107 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: new turn in the news cycle. He started out doing 108 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: a livestream on Periscope, and then he moved to YouTube 109 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: and then Rumble, and he became a master of social media, 110 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 3: posting on Twitter and then x and he just became 111 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: this really insightful prognosticator and pundit and commentator, and people 112 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: started listening in and he was very good at explaining 113 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: things and in deep bunking hoaxes. So when the Charlottesville 114 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 3: riot happened in twenty seventeen, he noticed right away that 115 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 3: the media's narrative was false. We were reporting at Breitbart 116 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: that it was false. But he also said specifically that 117 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: the way in which it was false was that they 118 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 3: were very cleverly making it look as though Trump had 119 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: backed up the neo Nazis. And if you actually look 120 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 3: at what he said and the transcript of what he said, 121 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 3: he condemned the Nazis totally, and they had blown up 122 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: this issue, which was a legitimate dispute about the fate 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: of a statue, into something much bigger and much worse. 124 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: And I followed his lead and I started doing reporting 125 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: on it and investigating on it. Eventually I got right 126 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: in the face of then candidate Joe Biden and I 127 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: asked him about it because he was running on this hoax, 128 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: and I asked him why he was misrepresenting what Trump 129 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: actually said. He denied it. But it was probably one 130 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 3: of the highlights of my fifteen year career at Breipart 131 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: was getting this instant response from Joe Biden before he 132 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 3: had layers of security and media flax around him, when 133 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: he was still doing his own off the stump speeches. 134 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: That was more memorable because he said, we want truth 135 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: over facts. Remember that stumble he was right after that, 136 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: I got too, preferred truth over facts, right right. So 137 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: Scott and I and then Steve Cortez, who was then 138 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: with CNN, a rare conservative voice on CNN, we started 139 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: debunking this thing everywhere we found it because it was 140 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: one of the staples of Democrat Party talking points and 141 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: it was just false. It was just totally false. And 142 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: once people knew it was false and they saw how 143 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: the narrative was stitched together, they started looking at Trump 144 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: a different way and they allowed themselves to see his 145 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: pluses and his minuses for what they were, instead of 146 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: just holding him at arms length and saying, I can't 147 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: go with a guy who likes Nazis. Well, he didn't 148 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: like Nazis to condemned them, but you had to sort 149 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: of explain how the illusion had been created, and so 150 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: Scott and I worked closely on that. We became close friends. 151 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: I would visit him when I went to the Bay Area, 152 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: and my daughter and I stayed with him. Once we 153 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: went to a Weezer concert up in Berkeley and we 154 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: just hung out a lot. 155 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: How's Weezer doing these days? I was a big Weezer 156 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: guy for like Kenny. 157 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: I mean, at least they were a couple of years ago. 158 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: Just just really fun. It was one of the most 159 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: fun concerts I've ever been to. Of course, you know 160 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: so many of the songs. They're still putting out great music, 161 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: and it was just a lot of fun. 162 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: A lot all the smart musically minded people in my 163 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: life growing up liked Weezer, and I liked Weezer a 164 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: little bit, but then I kind of got out of it. 165 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: But I feel like smart people's I think that they're 166 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: pop music for smart people. 167 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: It was like the last year of high school. For 168 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: me was the Blue album and I listened to it 169 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: over and over again. And my daughter at the time 170 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: was in I mean, she's still my daughter, but I 171 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: mean at the time, my daughter was in a program 172 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 3: at School of Rock, which she still is involved in, 173 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: where they were doing Weezer, a whole Weezer set, so 174 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: she was doing a Weezer cover show, and so for 175 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: her to go to see the Weezer band live was 176 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: a special treat. And we hung out and we just 177 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: became good friends, and we talked about our lives a lot. 178 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: We would check in with each other, and when and 179 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: he started fighting cancer, I visited him more frequently, and 180 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: to be honest, I didn't know if I was going 181 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: to see him again when my wife and I relocated 182 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,359 Speaker 3: temporarily to d C last June because of the Palisades 183 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: fire and because she got hired by the Trump administration, 184 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: and I left in June, and he was in a 185 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 3: lot of pain, and he said he didn't think it 186 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: was going to last much longer, but he rallied with 187 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: some innovative medical treatment and he hung around for more 188 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 3: than half a year, and in that half a year, 189 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 3: he really showed the world what he was going through, 190 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 3: and he reached out to people and he helped people, 191 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: and he developed a clearer idea of what his ideas 192 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 3: had been. And you know, it's hard to say anything 193 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: nice about death, but he really went in a very dignified, 194 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: courageous and effective way. And so even though there's a 195 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: great deal of mourning among his many millions of fans 196 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: today and I of course devastated on one level that 197 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: he's not here any more, there's nobody who died as 198 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: well as Scott Adams. And he lived well, he died well. 199 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: It's almost as if he showed people how to face 200 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: mortality with greater happiness and success, and he really achieved that. 201 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: Really interesting and it's great to get some of that 202 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: personal background. It sounded like a very painful end of 203 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: his life. It's always hard to know what he was 204 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: putting out that was serious and literal and what was 205 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, some other exercise he would do because 206 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: he would assume personas publicly, so it was hard to 207 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: know exactly how bad it was. But clearly these are 208 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: not these are not pleasant things. I know from my 209 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: wife's line of work. 210 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 3: We did joke about practical jokes. He could play videos, 211 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: he could record and post after he died, and things 212 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: like that. He didn't do any of that, but he 213 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: had a sense of humor. And I'll reveal something to 214 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: you that you're not going to hear on any other platform. 215 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 3: I haven't told anybody yet outside of my wife, but 216 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: my four year old drew a card for him and 217 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: she wrote to Scott and then she wrote her name 218 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 3: under it. And four year olds don't have the best handwriting. 219 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 3: So this was about two days before he died. His 220 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 3: ex wife, who was his caretaker in his last week, 221 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: wrote his last weeks and months. She wrote back to 222 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 3: me and said, Scott said, it looks like she wrote 223 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: the word slut, like too slut. 224 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: You know. 225 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: The sea wasn't fully formed, so he was kind of just, 226 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 3: you know, just having a laugh. He had forty eight 227 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: hours to live, basically, but he was like, still he's 228 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: still cracking dirty jokes, and you know he was. I 229 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: asked him if he was scared of dying. He said 230 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: he wasn't scared at all. And I asked him if 231 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: he was sad, and he said it was really tough 232 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: saying goodbye to people who he knew he wouldn't never 233 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: see again. But he also said that he had discovered 234 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 3: throughout his life that you could usually get back to 235 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 3: a baseline level of happiness and you could face your 236 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: day knowing that you could achieve things that day, and 237 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: if you could get to that headspace, you could be 238 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: happy even if you had lost a limb and he 239 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: lost the function of his legs for the last few weeks. 240 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: So he was just incredible at finding humor and joy, 241 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: and in the end he converted to Christianity. I was 242 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 3: in the room when he announced that he was going 243 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: to do it. I didn't know he had already written 244 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: down in a final message that he was doing it 245 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 3: three days before that. I didn't know that because that 246 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: was only revealed today on the day he died. But 247 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: he made the announcement that he was going to convert, 248 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: and that was really something to be there when he 249 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: made that decision public. 250 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: Wow. 251 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was an extraordinary person. 252 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, he really was. I again, I only got to 253 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: observe him from Afar. But among the highlights, I mean, 254 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: Gilbert itself is a highlight for a career. And also 255 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: he was very passionate about predicting Trump. But what I 256 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: share with the radio audience. Is that I just liked 257 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: that he was away is trying to live life to 258 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: the fullest. It seemed he would continue to write books 259 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: and he would continue to push the envelope on things. 260 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: He podcasted. He was a performance artist at times, and 261 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: he even was an inventor where the funniest one is 262 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: the dial burrito, which was he said was like the 263 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: Blue Genes of food, was how he was marketing it. 264 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: But it was supposed to be a burrito with all 265 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: the nutritional elements necessary in it, and it was almost 266 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: like a like a soilent green or something, but in 267 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: real life and emburrito for him. And I just can't 268 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 2: believe someone would take the time to do this. I mean, 269 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: you have to really have a zest for life, which 270 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: is so interesting. You say that he didn't fear death, 271 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: because I think one of the things that I fear 272 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 2: about with death is the first two or the obvious two, 273 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: which is that I would like more time to make 274 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: sure that I'm going to heaven and to do that 275 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 2: sure that up, and the other one to make sure 276 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 2: my kids have a dad. But the third one is 277 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: I feel like there's so much cool stuff I'm not 278 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: going to get to do if I went anytime soon. 279 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: And there's other like I got stuff on the agenda 280 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: I want to hit, And that's Scott in a nutshell. 281 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: Just seemed like he was always finding something different. 282 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: Let me let you in a little bit on the 283 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: secret of that positive outlook. Yeah, he asked him about 284 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: his life. He said that he felt he had lived 285 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 3: a complete life. He had lived a very happy life, 286 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: fulfilled by his life. And the one area in which 287 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: he felt sometimes that he had not succeeded was in 288 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: his personal life, because he was married twice and divorced twice. Yeah, 289 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: but when he looked back at it from the perspective 290 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: of being about to pass away, he said, I had 291 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: two complete marriages. That's how he looked at it. Not 292 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: I got divorced twice, which is like I failed twice. 293 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: You could wow, wow, I had two complete marriages. So 294 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: that that is fascinating. And I. 295 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: Also so for me, there were two things where I 296 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: feel like he was best known philosophically. I think the 297 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: thing he's best known for, obviously terms of his career 298 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: is Dealbert with many other close seconds. But for me, 299 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: he did a couple of concepts, and one was mainstreaming 300 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: the idea of persuasion being important in American public life 301 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: and all all. I would you speak to that. Joel 302 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: the one that was most resident with me, and I 303 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: read several of his books. I forget which one it 304 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: came from, but it was he was really big into 305 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: systems and explaining how having a system for work productivity, 306 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: for nutrition, for exercise, that's really one of the keys 307 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: to life. And if people pay attention to me, and 308 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: if I mentor anyone in our company, I'm always telling 309 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: people to dial in your routines. But routine is not 310 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: a good word. System is a better word. And there 311 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: were things that I said in place in my life 312 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: and people ask me how I get as much done 313 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: as I do, and a lot of it is based 314 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: on systems, and a lot of that's kind of inspired 315 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: by Scott. 316 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the system part of it is developing something 317 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: you can do every day or in a regular pattern. 318 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: And the classic example would be getting in shape, or 319 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: weight loss, or getting off the couch. He said. The 320 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: system for getting off the couch isn't to tell yourself 321 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: that you're lazy, or to tell yourself that you're getting fat. 322 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: He said, just have a system of moving one finger 323 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: at a time as you can move and you can 324 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: get off the couch. It was a way of orienting 325 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: yourself or better habits, basically, and he said you could 326 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: achieve more if you thought that way rather than in 327 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: terms of goals. So instead of saying I need to 328 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: lose thirty pounds, just say I'm going to exercise every 329 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 3: day and I'm going to cut out one dessert and 330 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: then you're on your way. The other part of it, persuasion, 331 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: really is his own genius. It was applying a filter, 332 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: as he called it, to reality and understanding that facts 333 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: didn't really matter anymore in an age of social media. 334 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: What really mattered was who could make the most persuasive 335 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: argument and brings it back to someone that you and 336 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: I know and worked with at Breitbart, Ben Shapiro. Ben 337 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: had for many years. I haven't looked at his social 338 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: media in a while, but for many years he had 339 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 3: pinned to the top of his x feed. Facts don't 340 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: care about your feelings. That's his famous tagline, yeah feelings. 341 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 3: And Scott had great admiration for Ben's intellect, but he 342 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: said that's actually one hundred percent wrong. The feelings don't 343 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: care about your facts, and. 344 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: Guys tell something amazing about that, Joel. And you've heard 345 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: me say this in private, and I've said it on 346 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 2: the air a couple times too, but I try to 347 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: make a big deal about it. I did not know 348 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: Scott said that, and I've said the same thing. I've 349 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: always thought that that quote was completely not We want that. 350 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: To be true. 351 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: The facts don't care about your feelings. But in reality, 352 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: what we've been witnessing in American life over the last 353 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 2: decade in particular, is that the feelings are what drives 354 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 2: people right. 355 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 3: And his book about the twenty sixteen election win Bigley. 356 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: The subtitle was how to when the facts don't matter? 357 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: Or Sorry, it was persue in a world in the 358 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 3: facts don't matter. So you're dealing with a president President Trump, 359 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 3: who let's say, uses hyperbole from time to time, has 360 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: been known to on occasion he was hyperbole. Well, he 361 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: doesn't lie. Trump rarely says things that are completely demonstrably 362 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 3: untrue in every aspect, but he's often wrong in that particulars. 363 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: But he'll be directionally right, as Scott said, in other words, 364 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 3: he's exaggerating, but to get you to think in a 365 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: certain direction and that was the genius of his exaggeration. 366 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 3: So to come back to the Rosie O'Donnell example, of course, 367 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 3: Trumpet had more arguments with women than just with Rosie O'Donnell, right, 368 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: But he chose this figure because she's so controversial and 369 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: off the wall that it made you think in the 370 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: direction of all of this is ridiculous. All the question 371 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: is ridiculous, The whole topic is ridiculous, because Rosie o'donnald 372 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 3: is ridiculous. And so he guided your mind and your 373 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: feelings by framing issues in a persuasive way. So Scott 374 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: added that element to our understanding. So now people talk 375 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 3: about political persuasion all the time, and some people have 376 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: picked up on it, some people have learned about it. 377 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 3: I mean, Scott very controversially praised Colin Kaepernick for kneeling 378 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 3: on the sidelines to protest against police, not because Scott 379 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 3: agreed that police were bad, but because he said it 380 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: was probably the most effective protest he had seen on 381 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: the left in a very long time, taking a knee, 382 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: And he was right because it caught on and exactly, 383 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: and so he just had a feeling for how persuasion works, 384 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 3: and it didn't matter whether you were right or wrong. 385 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 3: But he didn't believe everything was relative. He didn't believe 386 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: there was no truth. He did believe in one side 387 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 3: winning on the other side losing. But he was also 388 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 3: very clear eyed about what that would take in terms 389 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: of persuasion, that the winning side had to have more 390 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: persuasive arguments because even if it had the facts, that 391 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: wouldn't be enough. 392 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was someone who I think suffered a 393 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 2: lot in his career for coming out as a Crump supporter. 394 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: And then he made some controversial comments that I don't 395 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: have about the give of my brain. 396 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what they I mean. So the context 397 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: was he had tried to help the Black Lives Matter 398 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: and he had been sort of spurned in a way 399 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 3: where the people he tried to help didn't really want 400 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: to be helped. And this poll came out around the 401 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: question whether black respondents agreed with the phrase it's okay 402 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: to be white, and a very small majority agreed fifty 403 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: three percent, but the other forty seven percent said no. 404 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 3: And he picked up on that pole, and he would 405 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: read a poll from rasmust In every day, So it 406 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: just happened to be the Rasmussen poll that day, and 407 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: he said, well, if that's the case, then people should 408 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 3: just avoid black neighborhoods. You should just leave. If you're 409 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: not wanted, you should just leave and avoid. And I 410 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 3: didn't agree with it when he said it. I thought 411 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: he would reading much into the pole. But it wasn't 412 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: like it was a racist rant as it was often described. 413 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: It wasn't like he was coming at it from a 414 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: position of white supremacy or whatever. He was coming at 415 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: it from the position of someone who had tried to 416 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: help and his help had been rejected. And his advice, 417 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: in my opinion, was actually pretty good. I mean, he 418 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: even came out in favor of reparations. He said, I'm 419 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 3: not against reparations. If we use reparations to fix public 420 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 3: education in black neighborhoods, let's just call it reparations if 421 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 3: you want. But that's about uplifting African Americans. And he 422 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: his suggestions were ignored or turned away in some cases 423 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: were rejected, and he had very public falling outs with 424 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: some of the Black Lives Matter leaders. We tried to 425 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: help in a racis here way, so that's kind of 426 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 3: where it came from. It didn't come out of nowhere. 427 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, it was based off of it. If 428 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: there's a group that believed is not okay to be white, 429 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 2: then that's a hate group. And I felt like, so 430 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: this was an interesting one for me because I feel 431 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: like I understood his point. I was kind of surprised 432 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: that he made it, but then he got a big cancelation. 433 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: And here's the main thing. He just kind of kept 434 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 2: soldiering on and I know, his calumn got dropped by 435 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 2: a lot of places, and he just kept moving on. 436 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: And you know, having been there a million times with 437 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: Breitbart where you're getting targeted, I got to say it 438 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: was very provocative what he said. He says having very provocative. 439 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: I would not have if I was counseling him, I 440 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: would not have recommended he say it. But overall, he 441 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: still just kept fighting for the stuff that he believed in, 442 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 2: and he really seemed to slow down creating and I 443 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: thought that was also very admirable on a good lesson. 444 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he knew that he was going to 445 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: be canceled eventually. I think in a way he was 446 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 3: almost provo on purpose. And I visited him interesting flying 447 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: up to the Bay Area on the day he got canceled, 448 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: and he said, this is supposed to be one of 449 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: the worst days of my life, and I'm actually fine. 450 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 3: And he built an entire new publishing platform after being canceled, 451 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: He relaunched his Gilbert comic, He used other means of 452 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: getting to his audience, and he did very, very well. 453 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 3: So he also showed us that canceling isn't the end 454 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: of your life. It's not this punishment that the authors 455 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: of cancel culture wanted it to be. That you can 456 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: actually reach your audience more directly if you don't go 457 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: through the gatekeepers. Now that's hard for people without his 458 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 3: experience and resources to do, but I think in a 459 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: way he stood for a more responsible version of some 460 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 3: of the backlash that we've seen among some of the 461 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: younger conservative leaders who have suffered as victims in a 462 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: sense of DEI. There's an entire generation now, two generations 463 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 3: who've been denied opportunities because they happen to be white 464 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 3: and male. And he would talk about that all the time, 465 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 3: that he was denied promotions at the two companies he 466 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 3: worked for because he was told he would never get 467 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: promoted to management for being white and male. But he 468 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 3: turned that into a successful new career as a cartoonist, 469 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 3: and he showed how you could take that exclusion and 470 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 3: use the momentum almost in a jiu jitsu like way 471 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: to make yourself more successful. So that I think was 472 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 3: the way he the direction he pointed in. But he 473 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: understood I think the bitterness and resentment of people, especially 474 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 3: in Silicon Valley, who had been shut out or denied 475 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: because of their politics, their race, their gender. And so 476 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: I think that in a way he pointed the way 477 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: through cancel culture. How do you survive it? You survive 478 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: it by just continuing to develop a relationship with your 479 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 3: audience and just keep moving. 480 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 2: So give me a recommendation on a book that you 481 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 2: feel like everyone should read of his or something that 482 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: if they want to get. 483 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: And I just. 484 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: Pined a really cool the podcast that he did in 485 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: my x feed if anyone must go over there or 486 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: x at dot com slash Alex Marlowe, you can see 487 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: that that's a highlight that I found. But do you 488 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: have any place you want to direct people Joel where 489 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: you feel like if they want to get a taste 490 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: of who he was, if they're not as familiar with 491 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: some of his. 492 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: Work, how to fail at almost everything and still win big. 493 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: Is his great book. But there's also an interesting guy 494 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: whose name is Akira the Dawn Aki r A, and 495 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: what he has done over the last several years is 496 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 3: put a lot of Scott's lessons for life to music. 497 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: So if you look on x or on iTunes, you 498 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 3: can find a cure the don And he does this 499 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: with a lot of thinkers and philosophers, a lot of 500 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 3: people to put their thoughts out on YouTube and other platforms, 501 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 3: and he takes the audio and he mixes it with 502 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: really good techno music, and it's quite amazing what he's achieved. 503 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 3: If you haven't had any time and you don't have 504 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: time to read Scott's books, you can download Akira the 505 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: Dawn's albums about Scott and it's actually incredible. You'll get 506 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: exposed to how he thought about issues on a very 507 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: high level. Interesting. 508 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so thank you for those recommendations, and tell me 509 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: more about the biography. How farlonging you on it? 510 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 3: Well, we only had started on it, i would say, 511 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 3: in the last few weeks of his life, and we 512 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 3: discussed working on it in December, and I interviewed him 513 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: several times over the last few weeks and had access 514 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: to some of his materials. And I'm actually still working 515 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: with his family and his estate on doing research and 516 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 3: it's an ongoing project. But one of the last text 517 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: exchanges we had was over this past weekend. I sent 518 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: him a photograph of the first page. So that's where 519 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 3: we are right now. It's still a new project, but 520 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: he sat with me to the extent that he could 521 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 3: with his fading strength, and we talked about his life. 522 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: And you know, it's a daunting project because so many 523 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 3: people loved him so much that you can't really fail 524 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 3: because everybody will be angry at you and they'll know, Yeah. 525 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: That sounds like a big one. And I think you're 526 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: an emily up for it and it'll be a must 527 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: read when it comes out. But that definitely sounds like 528 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 2: a huge and a huge undertaking because there'll be people 529 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: who are so close and they're going to scrutinize it 530 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: so closely. But that's really terrific, all right, Joel, I 531 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: wanted to get your take on a couple other things. 532 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: Last week was the anniversary of the La Fires. You 533 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: are LA Fires expert for a while at at Brightbart 534 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: someone who didn't lose your home in the fire, blost 535 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: you old neighborhood and basically making your home uninhabitable. I'll 536 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: just ask the broad thirty thousand foot where we at 537 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: on this thing. 538 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 3: Well, we're not really in a good place just yet. 539 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 3: It's not the worst rebuilt in California. That, unfortunately, would 540 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: be the Paradise Fire up in northern California, which happened 541 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen. And I believe and or I may 542 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 3: be confusing the year with the Tubbs Fire. One or 543 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 3: two of the one or the other was in twenty eighteen. 544 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: It was the campfire that burned Paradise, and Paradise took 545 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: forever to It's not rebuilt yet almost a decade later, 546 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 3: it's still basically largely abandoned. Some people have moved back, 547 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: but it's really really slow going up there. And then 548 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: the best case scenario is a town called Santa Rosa, 549 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: which burned in the Tubs fire. And again I can't 550 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: remember it was the year before or after the campfire. 551 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 3: I could look it up quickly, but it doesn't really matter. 552 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: Santa Rosa, there are parts that haven't been rebuilt, but 553 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: many of the central parts of the town that burnt 554 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 3: have been completely rebuilt to the point where if you 555 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 3: stand in the middle of town today in the neighborhood 556 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 3: of Coffee Park, for example, and you look around, you 557 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: wouldn't have known there was a fire there. I mean, 558 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 3: the trees are young, you know, there aren't any old trees. 559 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: That's basically your only signed is an empty lot here 560 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: or there, but not something unusual. So that's really the 561 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: best case scenario. And Santa Rosa benefited from a very, 562 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 3: very positive relationship between the community and the city and 563 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 3: county government. We don't have that in LA. We have 564 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: a dysfunctional relationship between the community and the city and 565 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: the county government. So the LA rebuilt, both in Pasadena, 566 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: Altadena and in Palisades, is very slow compared to Santa Rosa. 567 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: Not as bad as Paradise. And these are communities with 568 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: more resources than Paradise had and more media attention and 569 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: more clout politically, but still very very slow. And there 570 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: is a huge amount of frustration at Governor Gavin Newsom, 571 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: especially at Mayor Karen Bass. There are questions about whether 572 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 3: money is being mishandled. There are questions about permitting delays. 573 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: You know, you listen to the political commentariat and they say, oh, 574 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: permits are speeding along. They really aren't. They've actually slowed 575 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 3: down in the last few months. So I think it's 576 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: still an open case as to how this is going 577 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 3: to end up. My own house is still standing there, 578 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: but I haven't been able to live in it for 579 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: more than a year. I just got word today that 580 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 3: they finally removed the lead from my house. So that 581 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 3: took a year because I didn't have the insurance money 582 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: at first. I had to fight the insurance company. I 583 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: had the contractor pretty quickly, which was good, but he 584 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: had to wait for months before he could even start. 585 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: He went in December and did a remediation job, and 586 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 3: we've been waiting for weeks for the test results to 587 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: come back from the lab. There are so many other 588 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 3: steps I have to go through just to make the 589 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 3: house inhabitable again, but there was so much contamination from 590 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: lead and other heavy metals that it just took a 591 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 3: huge amount of work simply to decontaminate the house. People 592 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: are going through that process at different paces and with 593 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 3: more or less success, based on what kind of insurance 594 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 3: coverage you have, what sort of fight you're willing to 595 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 3: pull up put up because they're trying to lowball people 596 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: with really low offers and what kind of relationship you 597 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: might have with the city and county government. And it 598 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: is a mess right now. It's a mess that suffers 599 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: from a lack of leadership and a lack of presence. 600 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: Newsome has basically avoided the community and Karen Bass has 601 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: come back for the odd event, but she lies about 602 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: the pace. She touted the first home rebuilt several months 603 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: ago that was not a home. It was a show 604 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 3: house from a developer. They basically put a frame on 605 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 3: a concrete slab, but there were no pipes, there was 606 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 3: no electricity. It wasn't a complete home. They just put 607 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: up what a home would look like. And she said, well, 608 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 3: that's a house. It's not really a house. Yeah, I mean, 609 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: it looks like a house, but it's not actually a 610 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: home where people can live. And so the amount of 611 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 3: deceit and self serving messaging going on is really getting 612 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: to people. And I do think Pacific Palisades will be rebuilt, 613 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: but when it is rebuilt, it will be because of 614 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: the community pulling together and achieving it despite all of 615 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 3: the odds and obstacles, and not because of anything that 616 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: the city of La did or the state of California. 617 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: They have not been helpful, all right. 618 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: The other one where I would normally call on you 619 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: to weigh in is what's going on in Iran. So 620 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: I always like seeing people seeing them to the bad guys, 621 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: and it's a Islamist regime. It's very hostile to Western values, 622 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 2: Israel all a lot of things I care about. But 623 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: I'm not seeing a coherent nature to the protest. I mean, 624 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: I like seeing the protests and I hope they succeed, 625 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: but I don't know exactly what the demands are and 626 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: that they don't like I told a Commanian but that 627 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: feels like that's been going on for a while, and 628 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: it happens every couple of years, breaks out and I 629 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: don't really see any leadership emerging. So, Joel, what's different 630 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: about these protests and do you feel like there's any 631 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: hope for the best case scenario that we see the 632 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: end of the Ietolas? 633 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's different is Trump. And Trump has 634 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: taken a very firm stance against the Iranian regime, and 635 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: he's giving moral support to the protesters. That never happened 636 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 3: under Obama until it was way too late. The other 637 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 3: thing that's happened is that Iran has lost its terrorist proxies. 638 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 3: His Balla was decimated in Lebanon, and Syria fell and 639 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 3: Hamas was basically destroyed in Gaza, so they can't threaten 640 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 3: the other countries in the region to distract from their 641 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 3: domestic problems. They've lost international legitimacy, and they couldn't defend 642 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: themselves against the Operation Midnight Hammer attack by the United 643 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: States on their Newcleustes. So the regime is weak. It's 644 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: very weak, and Trump is very strong. Whether that's enough, 645 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. And it's possible Trump will get the 646 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 3: regime to strike some kind of a deal where the 647 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 3: regime agrees to terms under which the United States could 648 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: live with the Islamic Republic greatly weakened without a nuclear 649 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 3: program and with slowly expanding prospects of democracy over time, 650 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: or the regime is going to fall and the Iranian 651 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 3: people are going to take it over in some way. 652 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: I think what Iran lacks really is an alternative. And 653 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 3: the son of the deposed Cha has been out there 654 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: encouraging protesters and he's been a media figure in the 655 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: United States, But I'm not sure that he has enough 656 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: legitimacy and clout within Iran to really be an alternative. 657 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 3: And also he represents a return of what the monarchy. 658 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: I mean, he says he wants to conduct democratic elections. 659 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 3: I don't know that Iran has a clear idea of 660 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: where it wants to go and what it wants to be. 661 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: So I do think in general it's better if these 662 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 3: kinds of regimes collapse on their own and we don't 663 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 3: intervene directly. But Trump has basically staked his credibility on 664 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: doing something about this regime. So I do think something 665 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: is likely to happen. I'm not sure what it would be, 666 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: but I do think that the prospects for the regime 667 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 3: toppling are higher than they have been in decades, even 668 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: going back before the Green Revolution under Obama when Obama 669 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: was in office. But it feels higher. 670 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to see what's the math on how 671 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: we get there, And. 672 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 3: You basically need the military to switch sides, and it's 673 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 3: not clear they're ready to do. 674 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what is the other side? Like, that's the 675 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: whole thing is that there's there's there's a monarchist from 676 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: the Shaw era and then there's a Marxist socialist leader. 677 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 3: I don't. 678 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like I mean, they can all work together, 679 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: I guess. 680 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 3: But you know, who had ever heard of Cisi in 681 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 3: Egypt before he overthrew Muhammad Morci? So the leader may 682 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 3: emerge from the Iranian military or something, but it's unclear 683 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 3: where it goes from here. But it's also unclear that 684 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: Iran can get out of this even with an agreement 685 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 3: with the United States. They don't have water, they can 686 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 3: barely generate enough electricity, and their economy is in the tank. 687 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 3: Their currency is worthless. 688 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the currency being worthless is so sort 689 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 2: of the big change here, because I mean, that's that 690 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: really is if you've if you've a worthless currency, that 691 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 2: does make me feel like perhaps there is time to 692 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 2: for the people to really wage robust protest. But I'm 693 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: just saying that what is I just I'm struggling to 694 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 2: figure out what dominoes fall and in what a order 695 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: because I see step one protest kind of I got 696 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 2: a little bit of the underpants known South Park meme, 697 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 2: where you know step one steal underpants. There's no step two, 698 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 2: and then step three is make money like it's the 699 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 2: like I don't. Step one is protest the eye toll. Okay, good, 700 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: we like it. A lot of protests. And then step 701 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 2: two I guess is have Trump come in and warn 702 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: a Ron not to kill anyone. 703 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 3: That's good. 704 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: So but what's step three and how do we get 705 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 2: to the final step of the eye toll is done? 706 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 3: We don't know yet. One thing I would point out 707 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 3: that we do know is how empty American college campuses are. 708 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 3: Right now. There are no college students marching in solidarity 709 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 3: with Iran at Columbia Point. There's no filling the streets 710 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 3: and chanting. You know, these are total hypocrites, these movements. 711 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 3: They came out against Israel when Israel is defending itself 712 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 3: against Hamas terror and when you have students their own 713 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 3: age willing to die on the streets of Tehran to 714 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 3: oppose a truly terrible regime and they're being mowed down 715 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 3: by these paramilitary forces, there's no solidarity whatsoever. It just 716 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 3: shows you how empty the campus left is and how 717 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 3: much discrimination there is these college campuses. They go after 718 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 3: Israel because it's a symbol of the West, because it's 719 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 3: a Jewish state, and they don't do anything or say 720 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 3: anything about Iran. You know, someone pointed out there was 721 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 3: queers for Palestine. You don't hear about queers for Iran, Like, 722 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 3: where are the queers for Iran? Well, you know they 723 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 3: have the same fate in Iran that they do in Gaza. 724 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 3: But you know, somehow people are willing to delude themselves 725 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 3: about the Palestinian cause. 726 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting how it does seem like a 727 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 2: lot of our political divides at the moment are just 728 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 2: finding a common enemy, and so often it's Israel or 729 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: trump Ism and these disparate organizations that have just no 730 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 2: connection whatsoever other than they hate the same bad guy 731 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 2: and then that's it. That's a coalition. Joel, So, any 732 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 2: official predictions on what's gonna happen with the Ron. 733 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 3: Do you have any? 734 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: No? 735 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 3: I think what's step to wait and see. I really 736 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 3: don't know enough to make a prediction. I do think 737 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 3: the regimes days are numbered. I just don't know whether 738 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 3: it's going to happen now or in a few years. 739 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 2: Joe Pollock, wonderful stuff. So we'll bring you back when 740 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 2: you get more info on the Scott Adams biography, But 741 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: in the meantime, follow Joel on socials and he is 742 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 2: the opinion editor for the California Post. 743 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 3: And I know it'd be back soon. 744 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 2: And thanks for making time for me in the Marlow Show. 745 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, Alex