1 00:00:08,257 --> 00:00:09,057 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:11,097 --> 00:00:13,777 Speaker 2: Did you know that Jesus Calling has its own YouTube channel. 3 00:00:14,257 --> 00:00:17,296 Speaker 2: It's full of great content that will enhance your spiritual life. 4 00:00:17,617 --> 00:00:20,576 Speaker 2: You'll find beautiful videos with short devotional moments to help 5 00:00:20,576 --> 00:00:23,137 Speaker 2: you through your day, as well as stories on video 6 00:00:23,177 --> 00:00:27,257 Speaker 2: from celebrities, authors, pastors, and everyday people who share what 7 00:00:27,297 --> 00:00:30,176 Speaker 2: their faith journey has meant to them. You'll also find 8 00:00:30,217 --> 00:00:33,697 Speaker 2: that Jesus Listens Stories of Prayer series hosted by Susie 9 00:00:33,817 --> 00:00:38,496 Speaker 2: McIntyre Eaton, featuring new guests monthly. Subscribe today for new 10 00:00:38,577 --> 00:00:39,537 Speaker 2: videos each week. 11 00:00:43,177 --> 00:00:46,416 Speaker 3: The way that I show up at work it matters 12 00:00:46,457 --> 00:00:49,817 Speaker 3: to me. One of the greatest gifts that my faith 13 00:00:49,976 --> 00:00:52,297 Speaker 3: has given me in my life is knowing how beloved 14 00:00:52,336 --> 00:00:54,577 Speaker 3: I am, and knowing that I'm seen, and knowing that 15 00:00:54,657 --> 00:00:57,577 Speaker 3: I matter and that I'm valuable and that I belong right. 16 00:00:59,297 --> 00:01:02,457 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Calling Podcast. This week, we're thrilled 17 00:01:02,457 --> 00:01:06,456 Speaker 2: to be celebrating our five hundredth podcast episode. Sarah Drew, 18 00:01:06,817 --> 00:01:10,057 Speaker 2: known for her roles in Grey's Anatomy and Everwood, Sarah 19 00:01:10,057 --> 00:01:12,537 Speaker 2: shares how her faith shaped her career journey. From a 20 00:01:12,577 --> 00:01:16,057 Speaker 2: pastor's kid finding God's pleasure in acting to navigating the 21 00:01:16,057 --> 00:01:19,857 Speaker 2: pressures of Hollywood. She discusses the rewarding challenge of developing 22 00:01:19,897 --> 00:01:23,937 Speaker 2: her Gray's Anatomy character, April Kepner, into an honest portrayal 23 00:01:23,977 --> 00:01:26,777 Speaker 2: of a person of faith, including the storyline of April's 24 00:01:26,777 --> 00:01:30,697 Speaker 2: crisis of faith and her eventual return. Later in the episode, 25 00:01:30,737 --> 00:01:33,937 Speaker 2: We'll Hear from actor Jeanine Turner, Jeanine recounts her own 26 00:01:33,977 --> 00:01:38,377 Speaker 2: tumultuous journey to Hollywood, characterized by countless rejections and setbacks. 27 00:01:38,857 --> 00:01:41,337 Speaker 2: She shares the story of her darkest period, when she 28 00:01:41,417 --> 00:01:44,777 Speaker 2: only had eight dollars and felt entirely alone, right before 29 00:01:44,857 --> 00:01:47,937 Speaker 2: landing her breakthrough unexpected role as a bush pilot in 30 00:01:47,977 --> 00:01:51,537 Speaker 2: Northern Exposure, a role she nearly lost due to being 31 00:01:51,617 --> 00:01:55,337 Speaker 2: considered too pretty. Janine reminds us that closed doors often 32 00:01:55,417 --> 00:01:59,337 Speaker 2: lead to unexpected better opportunities, proving that perseverance, even through 33 00:01:59,377 --> 00:02:01,857 Speaker 2: black holes of despair, can take us to where we're 34 00:02:01,897 --> 00:02:05,657 Speaker 2: meant to be. Let's begin with Sarah's story. 35 00:02:08,857 --> 00:02:12,377 Speaker 3: I grew up on Long Island in New York, and 36 00:02:13,056 --> 00:02:20,497 Speaker 3: I've always been a piquet pastor's kid. I think a 37 00:02:20,497 --> 00:02:22,737 Speaker 3: lot of people assume that if you're a pastor's kid, 38 00:02:23,417 --> 00:02:28,337 Speaker 3: you love to rebel or your parents are super judgy 39 00:02:28,737 --> 00:02:30,657 Speaker 3: and you feel like you live in this box that 40 00:02:30,697 --> 00:02:33,537 Speaker 3: you can't get out of. And I would say my 41 00:02:33,737 --> 00:02:37,057 Speaker 3: experience was totally opposite to that. I grew up in 42 00:02:37,097 --> 00:02:41,657 Speaker 3: a really beautiful home with a ton of laughter and 43 00:02:41,777 --> 00:02:45,817 Speaker 3: so much support. We always watched Chariots of Fire growing up, 44 00:02:46,257 --> 00:02:49,577 Speaker 3: and Eric Little the main character in Cherry's Fire. He's 45 00:02:49,577 --> 00:02:53,457 Speaker 3: this incredible runner and his sister wants him to leave running, 46 00:02:53,497 --> 00:02:55,776 Speaker 3: to go and become a missionary in China, I think, 47 00:02:56,057 --> 00:02:58,137 Speaker 3: and he has this line where he says, well, I 48 00:02:58,177 --> 00:03:01,417 Speaker 3: can't go because when I run, I feel God's pleasure. 49 00:03:02,097 --> 00:03:06,217 Speaker 3: And for me, that was sort of my motto life. 50 00:03:06,377 --> 00:03:09,297 Speaker 3: That's what acting is for me. So when I act, 51 00:03:09,417 --> 00:03:12,857 Speaker 3: I feel God's pleasure. It was an extension of how 52 00:03:13,297 --> 00:03:16,257 Speaker 3: I lived out my faith and my giftings in the world. 53 00:03:17,817 --> 00:03:19,577 Speaker 3: I don't remember a time in my life when I 54 00:03:19,657 --> 00:03:23,897 Speaker 3: wasn't acting. When I graduated from kindergarten, I walked out 55 00:03:23,937 --> 00:03:25,817 Speaker 3: onto the stage and was like, and. 56 00:03:25,857 --> 00:03:26,897 Speaker 1: This is my new home. 57 00:03:28,617 --> 00:03:32,977 Speaker 3: I belong on the stage. I will sing, I will dance, 58 00:03:33,457 --> 00:03:35,897 Speaker 3: I will make you laugh, priye and think. And this 59 00:03:35,937 --> 00:03:38,497 Speaker 3: is where I am the most alive hello, and welcome. 60 00:03:38,697 --> 00:03:40,657 Speaker 3: Here I am and I'm here to stay. That was 61 00:03:40,777 --> 00:03:44,617 Speaker 3: my energy walking onto the stage of my kindergarten graduation, 62 00:03:45,057 --> 00:03:49,697 Speaker 3: and I went on to any possible stage I could 63 00:03:49,737 --> 00:03:52,977 Speaker 3: get myself on. Started doing community theater. I was in 64 00:03:53,057 --> 00:03:56,897 Speaker 3: every school play. I did a couple of like regional, 65 00:03:57,297 --> 00:04:00,377 Speaker 3: you know, professional shows when I was in eighth grade, 66 00:04:00,417 --> 00:04:03,017 Speaker 3: and then again in ninth grade. I just couldn't get 67 00:04:03,097 --> 00:04:06,337 Speaker 3: enough of it. It was my greatest job. I was 68 00:04:06,417 --> 00:04:08,457 Speaker 3: acting all through high school. And I went to look 69 00:04:08,497 --> 00:04:11,057 Speaker 3: at colleges and I went and visited University of Virginia 70 00:04:11,617 --> 00:04:15,257 Speaker 3: and fell madly in love with the department and with 71 00:04:15,297 --> 00:04:19,976 Speaker 3: the facility, and felt like immediately a sense of family 72 00:04:20,337 --> 00:04:23,176 Speaker 3: in the hallways of that university. I did this musical 73 00:04:23,217 --> 00:04:26,857 Speaker 3: theater program the summer between my second and third year 74 00:04:26,856 --> 00:04:31,137 Speaker 3: of college, and I made this snap decision that completely 75 00:04:31,176 --> 00:04:33,616 Speaker 3: changed the trajectory of my life. We'd only been working 76 00:04:33,616 --> 00:04:36,576 Speaker 3: on songs thus far at this musical theater program, but 77 00:04:36,897 --> 00:04:39,017 Speaker 3: I am a much stronger actor than I am a singer. 78 00:04:39,257 --> 00:04:42,257 Speaker 3: And we had this masterclass of this casting director from 79 00:04:42,296 --> 00:04:45,856 Speaker 3: a very prominent casting office come in to do a 80 00:04:45,897 --> 00:04:48,856 Speaker 3: masterclass with us, and I decided in the bathroom, and 81 00:04:48,897 --> 00:04:52,256 Speaker 3: I remember it so clearly and so viscerally. In the bathroom, 82 00:04:52,296 --> 00:04:54,856 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm going to do a monologue. I'm gonna 83 00:04:54,897 --> 00:04:58,537 Speaker 3: do Nora from a doll's house. And that started my 84 00:04:58,577 --> 00:05:03,017 Speaker 3: career because that casting director then went to her office 85 00:05:03,017 --> 00:05:04,976 Speaker 3: and said, we got to bring this girl in for stuff. 86 00:05:05,137 --> 00:05:08,257 Speaker 3: And third audition they brought me in for was a 87 00:05:08,257 --> 00:05:11,136 Speaker 3: professional production of Romeo and Juliet and so I was 88 00:05:11,257 --> 00:05:16,337 Speaker 3: cast as Juliette in this incredible theater right outside of 89 00:05:16,376 --> 00:05:19,496 Speaker 3: New York. I ended up doing that play, and I 90 00:05:19,537 --> 00:05:21,896 Speaker 3: was reviewed in the New York Times and in Variety 91 00:05:21,936 --> 00:05:25,017 Speaker 3: and in all these places, and the reviews were really incredible. 92 00:05:25,056 --> 00:05:28,056 Speaker 3: And so I wound up kind of getting to choose 93 00:05:28,097 --> 00:05:30,296 Speaker 3: what agency I wanted to go with because they started 94 00:05:30,376 --> 00:05:33,337 Speaker 3: knocking on my door, which is just not a thing 95 00:05:33,376 --> 00:05:36,976 Speaker 3: that happens. It's like such a gift, you know. So 96 00:05:37,457 --> 00:05:41,257 Speaker 3: I was taking meetings in my fourth year of college 97 00:05:41,337 --> 00:05:45,137 Speaker 3: while I was engaged and preparing for my wedding and 98 00:05:45,176 --> 00:05:47,896 Speaker 3: getting all my classes done so I could graduate. I 99 00:05:47,936 --> 00:05:50,456 Speaker 3: signed with an agency that I'm still with today, and 100 00:05:50,537 --> 00:05:53,176 Speaker 3: I was off to the races. So it was a 101 00:05:53,217 --> 00:05:55,616 Speaker 3: wonderful way that it was all orchestrated and meant to 102 00:05:55,616 --> 00:05:56,416 Speaker 3: be and everything. 103 00:06:02,337 --> 00:06:03,856 Speaker 1: I had done. 104 00:06:03,816 --> 00:06:06,257 Speaker 3: A little two episode of arc on Private Practice, which 105 00:06:06,296 --> 00:06:08,176 Speaker 3: was the spin off of Grey's Anatomy, and that's where 106 00:06:08,217 --> 00:06:12,697 Speaker 3: I got to meet Shonda and the whole Shondaland community 107 00:06:12,697 --> 00:06:16,657 Speaker 3: and family. And then when Grays came around, she first 108 00:06:16,856 --> 00:06:20,737 Speaker 3: offered these two episodes to me, just to like, come 109 00:06:20,777 --> 00:06:23,577 Speaker 3: play for two episodes. Which was the character at the 110 00:06:23,697 --> 00:06:26,537 Speaker 3: end of season five beginning of season six, it's the 111 00:06:26,616 --> 00:06:29,897 Speaker 3: character that George saves and then he gets hit by 112 00:06:29,897 --> 00:06:32,257 Speaker 3: the bus and I couldn't do it because I had 113 00:06:32,257 --> 00:06:36,976 Speaker 3: a scheduling conflict. Thank god, because then they called again 114 00:06:37,056 --> 00:06:38,816 Speaker 3: a couple months later to be like, Okay, we got 115 00:06:38,856 --> 00:06:40,737 Speaker 3: this other two episode arc. You're going to come on 116 00:06:40,856 --> 00:06:42,936 Speaker 3: and get fired. It's going to be really fun. So 117 00:06:43,017 --> 00:06:44,816 Speaker 3: I went to do this two episodes. I knew it 118 00:06:44,816 --> 00:06:46,697 Speaker 3: was only going to be two episodes, and then had 119 00:06:46,736 --> 00:06:51,217 Speaker 3: a blast and left. And the morning after that firing 120 00:06:51,416 --> 00:06:54,337 Speaker 3: episode aired, I got a call from my team and 121 00:06:54,376 --> 00:06:55,817 Speaker 3: they said they want to bring you back and this 122 00:06:55,936 --> 00:06:59,376 Speaker 3: might become a series regular gig. Cut to nine years later, 123 00:06:59,616 --> 00:07:03,576 Speaker 3: April Kepner came to be and blossom and grow and change. 124 00:07:03,897 --> 00:07:06,617 Speaker 3: But it's really interesting because there was no plan for 125 00:07:06,657 --> 00:07:09,216 Speaker 3: her to be there for any long term. From the beginning. 126 00:07:09,376 --> 00:07:11,417 Speaker 3: She came on to kind of be a catalyst and 127 00:07:11,617 --> 00:07:14,977 Speaker 3: be annoying and kind of grating. It was like, for 128 00:07:15,057 --> 00:07:18,776 Speaker 3: that whole first season I was on the show, season six, 129 00:07:19,017 --> 00:07:22,377 Speaker 3: I didn't have any fans. Like, people did not enjoy 130 00:07:22,537 --> 00:07:26,497 Speaker 3: April Kepner. The character was not loved, And so then 131 00:07:26,537 --> 00:07:29,337 Speaker 3: it became this journey of like who is this person? 132 00:07:29,417 --> 00:07:31,576 Speaker 3: How do we grow her? How do we shape her? 133 00:07:31,816 --> 00:07:34,657 Speaker 3: Who is she going to become? Every single episode i'd read, 134 00:07:34,657 --> 00:07:36,217 Speaker 3: I'd be like, Okay, what have you given me to do? 135 00:07:36,257 --> 00:07:38,256 Speaker 3: What can I show you that I can do today? 136 00:07:38,297 --> 00:07:41,617 Speaker 3: Who is she today? I approached April in the same 137 00:07:41,657 --> 00:07:44,337 Speaker 3: way that I would approach any other character. The gift 138 00:07:44,377 --> 00:07:47,937 Speaker 3: of having so many seasons to develop somebody, you actually 139 00:07:48,057 --> 00:07:52,457 Speaker 3: have time to sort of unpack and allow someone to 140 00:07:52,497 --> 00:07:56,017 Speaker 3: take seven different turns and twists and upside downs, and 141 00:07:56,417 --> 00:08:02,177 Speaker 3: you get to experience a far more human life when 142 00:08:02,217 --> 00:08:04,657 Speaker 3: you see someone on a series for a long period 143 00:08:04,697 --> 00:08:07,737 Speaker 3: of time. They didn't decide to make her a Christian 144 00:08:08,057 --> 00:08:11,497 Speaker 3: until end of season eight. April went through so much 145 00:08:11,537 --> 00:08:15,177 Speaker 3: trauma on that show. You know, she has a gunpointed 146 00:08:15,217 --> 00:08:18,857 Speaker 3: at her, she like literally trips on her best friend's 147 00:08:18,857 --> 00:08:23,297 Speaker 3: dead body. She loses a baby, her marriage falls apart, 148 00:08:23,697 --> 00:08:27,656 Speaker 3: She then gets cut open with no anesthesia, and maybe 149 00:08:27,697 --> 00:08:30,497 Speaker 3: her next baby is gonna die. She fails her boards, 150 00:08:30,857 --> 00:08:33,297 Speaker 3: she gets fired, and then she loses her faith. Like 151 00:08:33,377 --> 00:08:37,136 Speaker 3: the ultimate agony, which I think is a bigger agony 152 00:08:37,177 --> 00:08:40,657 Speaker 3: than any of those things, is a loss of your 153 00:08:40,697 --> 00:08:45,777 Speaker 3: central like north Star, Like if I don't have the 154 00:08:45,817 --> 00:08:49,217 Speaker 3: thing that rooted me and anchored me to the whole 155 00:08:49,257 --> 00:08:55,057 Speaker 3: purpose of my life, if that somehow comes undone and 156 00:08:55,177 --> 00:08:59,337 Speaker 3: is shaking under my feet, then what am I doing here? 157 00:08:59,777 --> 00:09:02,497 Speaker 3: How do you keep breathing? You know when you are 158 00:09:02,737 --> 00:09:06,857 Speaker 3: so shaken to your core? So telling that story was 159 00:09:08,017 --> 00:09:12,377 Speaker 3: so deep and so profound, the whole crisis of faith storyline. 160 00:09:12,537 --> 00:09:14,857 Speaker 3: I remember talking to the writer who was writing it. 161 00:09:15,817 --> 00:09:17,897 Speaker 3: We knew that April was going to have this journey 162 00:09:17,897 --> 00:09:19,697 Speaker 3: of loss of faith and then she was going to 163 00:09:19,737 --> 00:09:22,937 Speaker 3: have this coming back to faith storyline in season fourteen. 164 00:09:23,417 --> 00:09:26,457 Speaker 3: And I developed a relationship with her over eight years 165 00:09:26,497 --> 00:09:28,817 Speaker 3: on the show, and she asked me, She's like, what 166 00:09:28,817 --> 00:09:31,097 Speaker 3: would it take for a believer to come back, what 167 00:09:31,097 --> 00:09:34,257 Speaker 3: would you need to hear? And so I just said 168 00:09:34,297 --> 00:09:38,577 Speaker 3: to her, I think it's important for a believer to 169 00:09:38,737 --> 00:09:43,857 Speaker 3: know that nobody promises that we will have a pain 170 00:09:44,017 --> 00:09:48,017 Speaker 3: free life when we say yes. In fact, what we're 171 00:09:48,097 --> 00:09:50,777 Speaker 3: guaranteed is that there's going to be suffering. But what 172 00:09:50,857 --> 00:09:53,977 Speaker 3: we're also guaranteed is that we won't ever be alone 173 00:09:54,097 --> 00:09:57,617 Speaker 3: walking through it because we have God in human form 174 00:09:57,657 --> 00:10:00,377 Speaker 3: who did it for us and with us, and so 175 00:10:00,497 --> 00:10:04,777 Speaker 3: we have like a person with the ultimate empathy that 176 00:10:05,017 --> 00:10:08,297 Speaker 3: is walking those steps with us. I think I would 177 00:10:08,337 --> 00:10:11,177 Speaker 3: need to hear that, like, God is not indifferent to 178 00:10:11,217 --> 00:10:14,417 Speaker 3: your pain, you know. And so that line was put 179 00:10:14,457 --> 00:10:17,497 Speaker 3: into the script, and I remember being in that room 180 00:10:17,537 --> 00:10:21,297 Speaker 3: and the writer's being like, that's beautiful, that's lovely, Like, yeah, 181 00:10:21,377 --> 00:10:24,017 Speaker 3: let's do more of that. Seanda said, Look, I really 182 00:10:24,057 --> 00:10:28,857 Speaker 3: want to tell a very honest and multi layered and 183 00:10:29,017 --> 00:10:31,137 Speaker 3: vulnerable story about a person of faith. I want it 184 00:10:31,177 --> 00:10:33,817 Speaker 3: to feel authentic. I want it to feel real. Just 185 00:10:33,937 --> 00:10:37,217 Speaker 3: consider these doors open all the time anytime something doesn't 186 00:10:37,217 --> 00:10:40,937 Speaker 3: feel real, doesn't feel right. Could be more complicated, could 187 00:10:40,937 --> 00:10:44,217 Speaker 3: ask more questions and bring people in more to an 188 00:10:44,257 --> 00:10:47,137 Speaker 3: honest telling of a person faith story. Please tell us. 189 00:10:47,417 --> 00:10:51,297 Speaker 3: I had the tremendous privilege of getting to shape her 190 00:10:51,497 --> 00:10:54,657 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, episode by episode, just in 191 00:10:54,737 --> 00:10:59,137 Speaker 3: tiny ways and in sometimes in bigger ways. I go 192 00:10:59,217 --> 00:11:01,617 Speaker 3: to fan conventions and things like this, or just meeting 193 00:11:01,617 --> 00:11:04,337 Speaker 3: people in the street who love April, and I often 194 00:11:04,457 --> 00:11:08,017 Speaker 3: get shape tears. And it's not because they're excited to 195 00:11:08,057 --> 00:11:12,977 Speaker 3: meet Sarah. It is because April has gone through like 196 00:11:13,217 --> 00:11:16,377 Speaker 3: so much trauma and has come out the other side 197 00:11:16,817 --> 00:11:24,777 Speaker 3: with this sparkling, still joyful hope, like she is relentless 198 00:11:25,017 --> 00:11:29,297 Speaker 3: in her pursuit of the gold in life and of 199 00:11:29,417 --> 00:11:33,057 Speaker 3: not losing that hope no matter how hard the thing is. 200 00:11:33,097 --> 00:11:37,337 Speaker 3: And so many people are suffering. So when they welcome 201 00:11:37,377 --> 00:11:40,177 Speaker 3: a character day after day, week after week, you know, 202 00:11:40,457 --> 00:11:43,737 Speaker 3: year after year, and really become kind of friends with 203 00:11:43,777 --> 00:11:47,537 Speaker 3: this person who's walked this path and they're feeling through 204 00:11:47,577 --> 00:11:51,137 Speaker 3: it with them, they feel like, if she can do it, 205 00:11:51,737 --> 00:11:54,937 Speaker 3: I can do it. Like April's my friend. So it's 206 00:11:54,977 --> 00:11:58,137 Speaker 3: a really beautiful. So it's just a powerful experience for 207 00:11:58,257 --> 00:12:02,657 Speaker 3: me also to see how she has affected so many people. 208 00:12:03,217 --> 00:12:06,937 Speaker 3: I cried through the nine years of that character. She 209 00:12:07,137 --> 00:12:09,697 Speaker 3: went through so much and she came out the other 210 00:12:09,737 --> 00:12:12,737 Speaker 3: side and you can too. You know, She's such a 211 00:12:12,777 --> 00:12:14,257 Speaker 3: part of me, and I think will always be a 212 00:12:14,257 --> 00:12:24,297 Speaker 3: part of me. In every job I walk onto, I 213 00:12:24,337 --> 00:12:26,497 Speaker 3: want the folks that I'm working with, the cast and 214 00:12:26,537 --> 00:12:29,737 Speaker 3: crew and everyone to really feel a sense of belonging 215 00:12:29,777 --> 00:12:32,217 Speaker 3: and that they deserve to be there and that they 216 00:12:32,257 --> 00:12:34,417 Speaker 3: are part of this community. And we're so happy that 217 00:12:34,457 --> 00:12:37,657 Speaker 3: they're here and all in this together. And so I 218 00:12:37,697 --> 00:12:41,497 Speaker 3: think that that's one of the biggest ways that I 219 00:12:41,577 --> 00:12:43,857 Speaker 3: kind of live out my faith. 220 00:12:45,577 --> 00:12:47,177 Speaker 1: And experience is what you make it. 221 00:12:47,377 --> 00:12:49,777 Speaker 3: So if you choose to show up, even if other 222 00:12:49,817 --> 00:12:53,497 Speaker 3: people are behaving badly around you, or maybe just not 223 00:12:53,657 --> 00:12:57,737 Speaker 3: as positive or not as enthusiastic about being there. 224 00:12:57,857 --> 00:13:00,657 Speaker 1: You can still create your own vibe. 225 00:13:00,857 --> 00:13:05,497 Speaker 3: You can choose to that positive energy that, like ground 226 00:13:05,537 --> 00:13:08,057 Speaker 3: and did openness, warmth, you bring with you. 227 00:13:10,817 --> 00:13:12,777 Speaker 2: To learn more about Sarah Drew and to keep up 228 00:13:12,817 --> 00:13:16,417 Speaker 2: with her work, follow her on social media. Stay tuned 229 00:13:16,417 --> 00:13:30,617 Speaker 2: to Janine Turner's story After a brief message. These uncertain 230 00:13:30,657 --> 00:13:34,097 Speaker 2: times bring anxiety and fear, but Jesus listens. Prayers for 231 00:13:34,137 --> 00:13:38,137 Speaker 2: every season gives you daily prayers of comfort with seasonally 232 00:13:38,177 --> 00:13:42,177 Speaker 2: inspired illustrations. This beautiful book includes prayers that speak to 233 00:13:42,217 --> 00:13:45,737 Speaker 2: your situation, whether it's a time of stress or strength. 234 00:13:46,497 --> 00:13:49,857 Speaker 2: Look for Jesus Listens prayers for every season wherever you 235 00:13:49,897 --> 00:13:59,337 Speaker 2: buy books. Our next guest is actor Janine Turner, whose 236 00:13:59,337 --> 00:14:02,137 Speaker 2: path to Hollywood was full of setbacks, near missus and 237 00:14:02,257 --> 00:14:04,697 Speaker 2: moments that could have ended her career before it began. 238 00:14:05,017 --> 00:14:08,657 Speaker 2: From count auditions and feeling misunderstood to landing her breakthrough 239 00:14:08,737 --> 00:14:12,337 Speaker 2: role on Northern Exposure, Janine shares the insights and wisdom 240 00:14:12,537 --> 00:14:15,737 Speaker 2: of staying grounded in your identity and navigating the challenges 241 00:14:15,737 --> 00:14:17,777 Speaker 2: that test your strength and perseverance. 242 00:14:19,617 --> 00:14:22,297 Speaker 1: My faith has been a huge part of my career. 243 00:14:22,977 --> 00:14:26,897 Speaker 4: When I was in Texas, even I was at apprentice 244 00:14:26,897 --> 00:14:29,737 Speaker 4: to the Fourth Ballet and then my first place were 245 00:14:29,737 --> 00:14:33,617 Speaker 4: at Casamignana are local for Worth Theater and I didn't 246 00:14:33,657 --> 00:14:36,697 Speaker 4: get the role in Sound of Music, and I remember crying. 247 00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:38,777 Speaker 4: My mother was driving and she pulled over the side 248 00:14:38,777 --> 00:14:40,057 Speaker 4: of the road and I was like, I did that 249 00:14:40,137 --> 00:14:42,537 Speaker 4: was fourteen, you know, I didn't get the rungs on 250 00:14:42,657 --> 00:14:46,417 Speaker 4: the music. And my mother said, when God closes the door, 251 00:14:46,457 --> 00:14:49,617 Speaker 4: he opens a window. My mother was raised in a 252 00:14:49,617 --> 00:14:53,457 Speaker 4: devout Baptist family. Her grandmother, my great grandmother, played the 253 00:14:53,497 --> 00:14:57,097 Speaker 4: piano every Sunday at church, and so faith was really 254 00:14:57,217 --> 00:15:02,017 Speaker 4: integral always, and that sort of seed was planted within 255 00:15:02,137 --> 00:15:04,937 Speaker 4: me by my mother. So my career has been a 256 00:15:04,977 --> 00:15:09,977 Speaker 4: journey of God whispering in my ear a purpose. And 257 00:15:10,457 --> 00:15:13,817 Speaker 4: I believe we are all born with a purpose. God 258 00:15:13,817 --> 00:15:19,057 Speaker 4: gives us a purpose. And it's learning to navigate the 259 00:15:19,177 --> 00:15:22,297 Speaker 4: ups and downs and the dark times and the desperation, 260 00:15:22,457 --> 00:15:24,537 Speaker 4: and I've hit so many of these in my life 261 00:15:24,577 --> 00:15:28,617 Speaker 4: and various genres of my life, and just staying true 262 00:15:28,737 --> 00:15:31,657 Speaker 4: to the fact that God has given me a purpose 263 00:15:31,777 --> 00:15:34,777 Speaker 4: and I need to continue to listen to Him and 264 00:15:34,857 --> 00:15:37,937 Speaker 4: not to what everyone else around me is saying. Because 265 00:15:37,977 --> 00:15:43,657 Speaker 4: the journey in Hollywood is treacherous. It's just really difficult. 266 00:15:44,017 --> 00:15:46,617 Speaker 4: I often give speeches across the country about hearing ten 267 00:15:46,697 --> 00:15:50,737 Speaker 4: thousand no's. But it is just learning to hone your 268 00:15:50,737 --> 00:15:53,777 Speaker 4: craft and wait for God's timing. And I know that 269 00:15:53,897 --> 00:15:56,497 Speaker 4: in the Bible talks about I can't do it, but 270 00:15:56,617 --> 00:16:00,817 Speaker 4: God can. God will lean not on my own understanding, 271 00:16:00,937 --> 00:16:04,817 Speaker 4: but on God's understanding. My mother always taught me about tenacity, 272 00:16:05,057 --> 00:16:07,497 Speaker 4: and I guess what I've learned from this. She's the 273 00:16:07,497 --> 00:16:11,297 Speaker 4: most determined woman I know. But also I've imbued into 274 00:16:11,337 --> 00:16:15,537 Speaker 4: that sort of vernacular what does God want me to do? 275 00:16:15,577 --> 00:16:18,417 Speaker 4: And I'm not going to stop until I've tried every 276 00:16:18,457 --> 00:16:22,177 Speaker 4: avenue I know, because God may be directed me in 277 00:16:22,217 --> 00:16:25,337 Speaker 4: such a way, and it may be circuitous. In a 278 00:16:25,377 --> 00:16:29,657 Speaker 4: scope of a year, you might book two jobs and 279 00:16:29,697 --> 00:16:32,177 Speaker 4: the rest of the time you're doing three auditions a day, 280 00:16:32,217 --> 00:16:35,497 Speaker 4: four auditions a day, and it's this kind of gut 281 00:16:35,777 --> 00:16:39,377 Speaker 4: wrenching sort of sense of survival. But it was always 282 00:16:39,417 --> 00:16:43,537 Speaker 4: intertwined about my purpose for God. If God closes the door, 283 00:16:43,537 --> 00:16:45,857 Speaker 4: he opens a window, there will be a window. There'll 284 00:16:45,897 --> 00:16:48,737 Speaker 4: be the right thing at the right time. At age 285 00:16:48,737 --> 00:16:50,777 Speaker 4: of twenty three, I decided to move to New York 286 00:16:50,777 --> 00:16:54,497 Speaker 4: City because I was watching all the great roles where 287 00:16:54,537 --> 00:16:57,737 Speaker 4: you were taken seriously. Another thing is I wanted to 288 00:16:57,817 --> 00:17:03,097 Speaker 4: go beyond the exterior of how I looked because people 289 00:17:03,137 --> 00:17:06,017 Speaker 4: would pigeonhole me. So I told my agents I was 290 00:17:06,057 --> 00:17:07,976 Speaker 4: moving to New York City to study with a method 291 00:17:07,977 --> 00:17:10,617 Speaker 4: acting coach and to be a serious actress where I 292 00:17:10,617 --> 00:17:12,457 Speaker 4: could respect the craft of what I'm doing, or I 293 00:17:12,497 --> 00:17:13,696 Speaker 4: wasn't going to do and they fired me. 294 00:17:14,577 --> 00:17:16,817 Speaker 1: They said, well, if you moved in New York. 295 00:17:17,217 --> 00:17:20,777 Speaker 4: You know we're we're not doing that. So I thought, well, okay, 296 00:17:21,017 --> 00:17:22,977 Speaker 4: and I moved to New York. And in New York City, 297 00:17:23,017 --> 00:17:24,936 Speaker 4: I passed on a lot of things, but I had 298 00:17:24,977 --> 00:17:28,137 Speaker 4: a small role in Steel Magnilia's and and Monkey Shines 299 00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:31,377 Speaker 4: and things of that nature. But commercials wore my bread 300 00:17:31,417 --> 00:17:35,897 Speaker 4: and butter. And right around the time of Northern Exposure, 301 00:17:35,977 --> 00:17:42,297 Speaker 4: I hit this just exhaustive black hole where nothing in 302 00:17:42,337 --> 00:17:45,377 Speaker 4: my life was going the way I thought it should go. 303 00:17:45,417 --> 00:17:48,177 Speaker 4: I was now twenty seven, so I'd been auditioning either 304 00:17:48,177 --> 00:17:50,057 Speaker 4: from the age of three or from the age of fifteen. 305 00:17:51,017 --> 00:17:54,137 Speaker 4: I'd worked, but I'd never had my big break. I 306 00:17:54,137 --> 00:17:58,737 Speaker 4: had auditioned for this pilot with Stanley Tucci. Everybody knows 307 00:17:58,817 --> 00:18:02,936 Speaker 4: Stanley Tucci out there and Tom Selleck, and it was 308 00:18:02,977 --> 00:18:03,617 Speaker 4: his project. 309 00:18:03,657 --> 00:18:07,297 Speaker 1: It was an NBC pilot. Lawyer. I thought, great, this 310 00:18:07,457 --> 00:18:08,897 Speaker 1: is it. You know, she's a lawyer. 311 00:18:09,577 --> 00:18:11,936 Speaker 4: And back in the day, they had to fly you 312 00:18:12,017 --> 00:18:14,217 Speaker 4: from New York back out to la you had to 313 00:18:14,257 --> 00:18:17,977 Speaker 4: go in and meet the studio. Was just this excruciating experience, 314 00:18:18,217 --> 00:18:19,857 Speaker 4: and you had to sign a contract ahead of time. 315 00:18:19,897 --> 00:18:21,737 Speaker 1: If you got the role, how much money you'd be making, 316 00:18:21,897 --> 00:18:22,936 Speaker 1: which is good money. 317 00:18:23,537 --> 00:18:26,377 Speaker 4: Around this time, I only had eight dollars left to 318 00:18:26,417 --> 00:18:29,937 Speaker 4: my name because I'd become oversaturated in the commercial market, 319 00:18:29,937 --> 00:18:33,417 Speaker 4: which had been my bread and butter. And I auditioned 320 00:18:33,457 --> 00:18:35,977 Speaker 4: for this. I didn't get it, and I had eight 321 00:18:35,977 --> 00:18:39,177 Speaker 4: dollars left. Nothing was going in my life. Nothing was 322 00:18:39,217 --> 00:18:40,817 Speaker 4: going well in my life at all. I was in 323 00:18:40,817 --> 00:18:44,857 Speaker 4: New York City, I'd been all alone, and I was very, 324 00:18:45,017 --> 00:18:45,936 Speaker 4: very depressed. 325 00:18:46,257 --> 00:18:47,817 Speaker 1: I was trying to do the right thing and be 326 00:18:47,857 --> 00:18:50,137 Speaker 1: a serious actress. And I this was the role. 327 00:18:50,417 --> 00:18:52,857 Speaker 4: And this is leaning not on our own understanding, but 328 00:18:52,937 --> 00:18:56,777 Speaker 4: lean on God's understanding. To paraphrase, when I heard don't 329 00:18:56,857 --> 00:18:59,977 Speaker 4: let anybody put out your flame, you know the words, 330 00:19:00,097 --> 00:19:03,057 Speaker 4: I have a purpose, stick to it, and then my 331 00:19:03,297 --> 00:19:06,337 Speaker 4: saying that I love don't give up before the miracle. 332 00:19:08,377 --> 00:19:11,057 Speaker 4: And I got this call for Northern exposure, this bush 333 00:19:11,057 --> 00:19:14,337 Speaker 4: pilot in Alaska who killed her own deer and chopped 334 00:19:14,337 --> 00:19:16,817 Speaker 4: her own wood, and flew her own plane and fixed 335 00:19:16,857 --> 00:19:19,417 Speaker 4: her own plumbing. It was everything I had ever wanted. 336 00:19:19,977 --> 00:19:21,977 Speaker 4: But when I didn't get that Tom Selick pilot, I 337 00:19:22,017 --> 00:19:25,256 Speaker 4: couldn't see that I was leaning on my own understanding, 338 00:19:25,297 --> 00:19:28,057 Speaker 4: and I couldn't see that. So I didn't give up 339 00:19:28,057 --> 00:19:30,737 Speaker 4: before the miracle, because you know, eighty percent of success 340 00:19:30,777 --> 00:19:34,337 Speaker 4: is just showing up. And I crawled out of bed 341 00:19:34,417 --> 00:19:37,257 Speaker 4: and showed up for this audition. And when I arrived 342 00:19:37,377 --> 00:19:38,857 Speaker 4: at the audition in New York City, my sister in 343 00:19:38,897 --> 00:19:40,177 Speaker 4: law had flown up to help me because I was 344 00:19:40,177 --> 00:19:44,737 Speaker 4: so depressed. The casting director's assistant looked at me and said, 345 00:19:44,857 --> 00:19:47,057 Speaker 4: I don't know what these producers are doing. We saw 346 00:19:47,097 --> 00:19:50,617 Speaker 4: all of New York City's best talent last week. 347 00:19:51,737 --> 00:19:54,976 Speaker 1: Look oh okay, sure. 348 00:19:55,817 --> 00:19:57,577 Speaker 4: And for the first time in my life, I've been 349 00:19:57,657 --> 00:20:00,057 Speaker 4: performing at molleying at the age of three, performing at 350 00:20:00,097 --> 00:20:01,177 Speaker 4: Carnivals tap dancing. 351 00:20:01,577 --> 00:20:03,857 Speaker 1: I couldn't walk in the room with the camera. I 352 00:20:03,937 --> 00:20:04,417 Speaker 1: just balked. 353 00:20:04,657 --> 00:20:06,777 Speaker 4: I just like a horse trying to load a trailer. 354 00:20:06,817 --> 00:20:08,897 Speaker 4: I was like, I can't go in, and my sister 355 00:20:08,897 --> 00:20:10,377 Speaker 4: in law said, I'll go in with you. And I 356 00:20:11,017 --> 00:20:14,497 Speaker 4: did the Northern Exposure audition and afterwards we left and 357 00:20:14,537 --> 00:20:16,697 Speaker 4: I was crying down Park Avenue saying. 358 00:20:16,577 --> 00:20:17,897 Speaker 1: I can't act. I can't act. 359 00:20:17,937 --> 00:20:20,736 Speaker 4: I just I just can't act. It's all over. And 360 00:20:20,777 --> 00:20:22,697 Speaker 4: then I get the call you know, had to get 361 00:20:22,777 --> 00:20:25,777 Speaker 4: back on a plane go back out to Hollywood. 362 00:20:26,457 --> 00:20:28,016 Speaker 1: I wore a skirt instead of jeans. 363 00:20:28,457 --> 00:20:31,257 Speaker 4: So in my first reading for in the Colisseum, you know, 364 00:20:31,297 --> 00:20:36,497 Speaker 4: with everybody from CBS, they had told Joshua Brand, our creator, 365 00:20:37,097 --> 00:20:40,017 Speaker 4: she's too pretty to be a pilot. And he comes 366 00:20:40,017 --> 00:20:41,857 Speaker 4: out and he's shaking his side. He goes, why did 367 00:20:41,897 --> 00:20:44,216 Speaker 4: you wear a skirt? They think you're too pretty to 368 00:20:44,217 --> 00:20:47,337 Speaker 4: be a pilot. And I thought, oh my gosh, am 369 00:20:47,337 --> 00:20:49,697 Speaker 4: I gonna lose this role because they think that I'm 370 00:20:49,697 --> 00:20:51,897 Speaker 4: too pretty to be a pilot. I mean, that's exactly 371 00:20:51,937 --> 00:20:53,457 Speaker 4: everything I'd been fighting against. 372 00:20:53,457 --> 00:20:56,497 Speaker 1: And because I wore a skirt. So I walked back 373 00:20:56,537 --> 00:20:57,897 Speaker 1: in the room and God spoke to me. 374 00:20:58,537 --> 00:21:00,216 Speaker 4: I walked in and I just took the chair and 375 00:21:00,257 --> 00:21:02,897 Speaker 4: I just straddled it in this kind of masculine sort 376 00:21:02,897 --> 00:21:06,697 Speaker 4: of way and read with Rob Morrow and I got 377 00:21:06,737 --> 00:21:11,537 Speaker 4: the part. And little did I know in that celebration 378 00:21:11,657 --> 00:21:15,577 Speaker 4: that I actually booked it. Looking back on all of it, now, 379 00:21:17,017 --> 00:21:20,097 Speaker 4: what if I'd given up before that miracle? And for 380 00:21:20,177 --> 00:21:23,457 Speaker 4: people that are so down and depressed and suicidal of things, 381 00:21:23,457 --> 00:21:26,577 Speaker 4: I was thinking, it's darkest before the dawn. Don't give 382 00:21:26,657 --> 00:21:28,497 Speaker 4: up before that miracle, and what if I hadn't shown 383 00:21:28,577 --> 00:21:31,337 Speaker 4: up for it? And I look back at it now. 384 00:21:32,257 --> 00:21:36,057 Speaker 4: Northern Exposure was a huge success. I mean five years, 385 00:21:36,057 --> 00:21:38,537 Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty two nominations. I was nominated for 386 00:21:38,817 --> 00:21:40,257 Speaker 4: Golden Globes and Emmys and. 387 00:21:40,657 --> 00:21:41,817 Speaker 1: Everybody said no. 388 00:21:42,977 --> 00:21:45,377 Speaker 4: And at that point I had to rely on God. 389 00:21:46,217 --> 00:21:49,817 Speaker 4: I had to just rely on God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, listen, 390 00:21:50,297 --> 00:21:53,577 Speaker 4: don't give up, show up. And it became the most 391 00:21:53,617 --> 00:21:58,417 Speaker 4: miraculous opportunity for me that I think also used my 392 00:21:58,537 --> 00:22:03,256 Speaker 4: talents in such a way that were dignified, respected, and 393 00:22:03,297 --> 00:22:06,137 Speaker 4: it had an impact that made people's lives happier. 394 00:22:06,177 --> 00:22:06,577 Speaker 1: To this day. 395 00:22:06,617 --> 00:22:09,177 Speaker 4: We're doing a podcast about it, Northern Disclosure. 396 00:22:09,177 --> 00:22:13,257 Speaker 1: People love Northern Exposure. So that's that story. 397 00:22:13,537 --> 00:22:17,057 Speaker 4: It was a long, long trajectory, but it was all along. 398 00:22:17,137 --> 00:22:20,017 Speaker 4: It was about don't take no for an answer, don't 399 00:22:20,057 --> 00:22:22,417 Speaker 4: let anybody put out your flame that God has given 400 00:22:22,697 --> 00:22:23,937 Speaker 4: you or me, and. 401 00:22:23,897 --> 00:22:25,217 Speaker 1: Don't give up for that miracle. 402 00:22:33,097 --> 00:22:35,337 Speaker 4: I was born in nineteen sixty two and in the 403 00:22:35,417 --> 00:22:39,057 Speaker 4: mid nineteen seventies was when Rocky was released, and Rocky 404 00:22:39,217 --> 00:22:43,577 Speaker 4: was just huge and Sylvester Saloone was a mega megastar. 405 00:22:43,817 --> 00:22:46,737 Speaker 4: You can't even make a star like that anymore. And 406 00:22:47,377 --> 00:22:49,777 Speaker 4: during halftime at the football games, and I was a cheerleader, 407 00:22:50,137 --> 00:22:52,817 Speaker 4: all the bands played the theme from Rocky, you know 408 00:22:52,857 --> 00:22:55,777 Speaker 4: what I mean. I had met Sylvester at an audition 409 00:22:56,097 --> 00:23:00,657 Speaker 4: and I was just in awe and I got cast 410 00:23:01,177 --> 00:23:05,936 Speaker 4: in the movie Cliffhanger, but Northern Exposure they needed me 411 00:23:06,057 --> 00:23:09,417 Speaker 4: to be in Italy where we filmed it on a Friday. 412 00:23:09,697 --> 00:23:11,936 Speaker 4: But Northern Exposure wasn't going to release me till the 413 00:23:11,937 --> 00:23:15,577 Speaker 4: following Wednesday. And if I couldn't make it to Italy 414 00:23:15,617 --> 00:23:18,297 Speaker 4: on that Friday, they were going to cast somebody else. 415 00:23:19,017 --> 00:23:22,377 Speaker 4: So I kept calling this the execs ait Universal and 416 00:23:22,617 --> 00:23:25,256 Speaker 4: dealing with them. I said, can't you reboard? It's like reschedule, 417 00:23:25,417 --> 00:23:28,057 Speaker 4: just reschedule it, and they said no, no, no, you 418 00:23:28,097 --> 00:23:29,777 Speaker 4: know we can't reschedule. 419 00:23:29,817 --> 00:23:31,417 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I said, but I'm going to miss out 420 00:23:31,417 --> 00:23:33,697 Speaker 1: on this movie. You know, we could just do my scenes, 421 00:23:33,777 --> 00:23:35,697 Speaker 1: you know a little bit early. It's not that easy, 422 00:23:35,737 --> 00:23:37,936 Speaker 1: but I mean it could have been done. They said, no, no, 423 00:23:37,977 --> 00:23:38,537 Speaker 1: it can't be done. 424 00:23:38,577 --> 00:23:42,337 Speaker 4: And once again I kept fighting, you know what I mean, 425 00:23:42,697 --> 00:23:44,177 Speaker 4: I was not going to take no for an answer, 426 00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:46,337 Speaker 4: and I was gonna, you know, not let anybody put 427 00:23:46,377 --> 00:23:48,177 Speaker 4: out my flame, and I was going to not give 428 00:23:48,257 --> 00:23:49,137 Speaker 4: up before the miracle. 429 00:23:50,097 --> 00:23:52,537 Speaker 1: I called the Universal EXECU. I'm like, look, my gosh, 430 00:23:52,857 --> 00:23:53,417 Speaker 1: it's a. 431 00:23:53,417 --> 00:23:56,017 Speaker 4: Huge action movie with syvestist alone, and why can't we 432 00:23:56,057 --> 00:23:56,577 Speaker 4: work this out? 433 00:23:56,777 --> 00:23:58,377 Speaker 1: He goes, hang on out, hang on, I'll call you back. 434 00:23:58,377 --> 00:23:58,817 Speaker 1: He calls back. 435 00:23:58,857 --> 00:24:01,057 Speaker 4: He goes, we can't do it because it's going to 436 00:24:01,137 --> 00:24:03,257 Speaker 4: cost seventy thousand dollars to reboard it. 437 00:24:04,097 --> 00:24:04,857 Speaker 1: Right now. 438 00:24:04,897 --> 00:24:07,297 Speaker 4: I was only made one hundred thousand dollars on this movie. 439 00:24:07,377 --> 00:24:09,257 Speaker 4: But I knew that this movie role for me was 440 00:24:09,297 --> 00:24:11,897 Speaker 4: not about the money. It was about the role and 441 00:24:11,937 --> 00:24:14,017 Speaker 4: being in a movie with Sylvester Stallone in Italy and 442 00:24:14,097 --> 00:24:17,496 Speaker 4: Cliffhanger and whatnot. So I said to him, I'll pay it. 443 00:24:18,937 --> 00:24:23,177 Speaker 4: He said, he said what I said, I'll pay it, 444 00:24:23,777 --> 00:24:26,217 Speaker 4: And I like, if it's seventy thousand, fine, I'll give 445 00:24:26,257 --> 00:24:27,457 Speaker 4: you my entire salary. 446 00:24:27,697 --> 00:24:30,817 Speaker 1: He goes, what hang on? He hung up. 447 00:24:31,337 --> 00:24:35,057 Speaker 4: He was like, he was like stunned, and he calls 448 00:24:35,137 --> 00:24:38,737 Speaker 4: me back and he says, you're out. You can go, 449 00:24:39,857 --> 00:24:42,617 Speaker 4: And I said, what about the seventy thousand, because you 450 00:24:42,657 --> 00:24:45,577 Speaker 4: don't have to pay it when you're this tenacious and 451 00:24:45,697 --> 00:24:48,617 Speaker 4: a brave and God gives me all. 452 00:24:48,417 --> 00:24:51,337 Speaker 1: Of this, It's not like you don't ruffle a few feathers. 453 00:24:51,737 --> 00:24:54,657 Speaker 4: But it worked and I was able to go film 454 00:24:54,657 --> 00:24:57,737 Speaker 4: the movie with Sylvester Stallone and it was a fabulous experience. 455 00:24:59,657 --> 00:25:02,057 Speaker 4: I have been through so many what I call black 456 00:25:02,177 --> 00:25:05,377 Speaker 4: holes in my life at different stages of my life. 457 00:25:05,697 --> 00:25:08,217 Speaker 4: I've hit this kind of literally, sort of a wall 458 00:25:08,297 --> 00:25:12,257 Speaker 4: of blackness where I'm desperate, or I'm in a panic attack, 459 00:25:13,577 --> 00:25:19,617 Speaker 4: or I'm crying hysterically and I don't see the light, 460 00:25:20,097 --> 00:25:24,617 Speaker 4: i don't see the hope. But there's always been something 461 00:25:25,337 --> 00:25:29,817 Speaker 4: that has kept me from going over that cliff, and 462 00:25:30,737 --> 00:25:34,817 Speaker 4: I believe it is my faith, and it's God and 463 00:25:34,937 --> 00:25:38,216 Speaker 4: Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and it's my recognition and 464 00:25:38,337 --> 00:25:41,337 Speaker 4: experience of my own life that if you just it's 465 00:25:41,457 --> 00:25:45,137 Speaker 4: darkest before the dawn, if I just stick with it, 466 00:25:45,777 --> 00:25:48,217 Speaker 4: tomorrow will be a better day. The next day will 467 00:25:48,257 --> 00:25:51,777 Speaker 4: be a better day. Ride this wave and get through it, 468 00:25:51,817 --> 00:25:57,017 Speaker 4: because there is always something beautiful on the other side. 469 00:25:57,137 --> 00:25:59,777 Speaker 1: It may not be exactly how I pictured it. It 470 00:25:59,817 --> 00:26:00,617 Speaker 1: may be. 471 00:26:00,337 --> 00:26:02,617 Speaker 4: Better than most of the time, it's better than I 472 00:26:02,657 --> 00:26:08,697 Speaker 4: ever pictured it. Jesus calling at actually speaks an inspiration 473 00:26:08,777 --> 00:26:12,257 Speaker 4: to us through the divine and it's Jesus is calling 474 00:26:12,377 --> 00:26:16,177 Speaker 4: all of us. Jesus is saying hey, hello, and it's 475 00:26:16,257 --> 00:26:19,736 Speaker 4: up for us to listen to it. Don't give up 476 00:26:19,737 --> 00:26:21,817 Speaker 4: before that miracle, because it will be there on the 477 00:26:21,817 --> 00:26:24,097 Speaker 4: other side. And I've lived it over and over and 478 00:26:24,137 --> 00:26:26,137 Speaker 4: over in my life. I'm sixty two. 479 00:26:26,657 --> 00:26:28,857 Speaker 1: And I'm here to tell you that I'm still here. 480 00:26:29,297 --> 00:26:30,976 Speaker 4: So God must have a plan, and I'm going to 481 00:26:30,977 --> 00:26:34,897 Speaker 4: show up for it and see what it is. I'll 482 00:26:34,897 --> 00:26:40,617 Speaker 4: be reading a passage from Jesus. Listens October eighth. Delightful Lord, 483 00:26:41,217 --> 00:26:43,577 Speaker 4: An easy way for me to start talking with you 484 00:26:44,297 --> 00:26:47,776 Speaker 4: is to thank you for being my savior, God and 485 00:26:47,817 --> 00:26:50,976 Speaker 4: beloved friend. I can also give you thanks for the 486 00:26:51,017 --> 00:26:54,537 Speaker 4: things that are happening in my life, in my family 487 00:26:54,857 --> 00:26:59,417 Speaker 4: and beyond. These prayers that thanksgiving connect me with you 488 00:26:59,737 --> 00:27:04,257 Speaker 4: and ease my way into other types of prayers. I 489 00:27:04,297 --> 00:27:08,737 Speaker 4: can talk with you free you because you understand everything 490 00:27:08,777 --> 00:27:11,257 Speaker 4: about me and my circumstances. 491 00:27:12,057 --> 00:27:15,137 Speaker 1: And since you paid the full penalty for. 492 00:27:15,177 --> 00:27:20,457 Speaker 4: All my sins, I know you never reject me, so 493 00:27:20,537 --> 00:27:23,177 Speaker 4: I am free to pour out my heart to you. 494 00:27:24,057 --> 00:27:30,297 Speaker 4: Trusting in you, my refuge, in your redeeming name, Jesus. 495 00:27:31,097 --> 00:27:31,497 Speaker 3: Amen. 496 00:27:33,897 --> 00:27:36,777 Speaker 2: To learn more about Jeanine Turner, visit Janine Turner dot 497 00:27:36,777 --> 00:27:39,337 Speaker 2: com and be sure to check out her new podcast, 498 00:27:39,377 --> 00:27:43,417 Speaker 2: co hosted with Rob Morrow, Northern Disclosure Wherever you listen 499 00:27:43,457 --> 00:27:46,257 Speaker 2: to podcasts. If you'd like to hear more stories about 500 00:27:46,257 --> 00:27:48,617 Speaker 2: what to do when God closes the door, check out 501 00:27:48,657 --> 00:27:59,297 Speaker 2: our interview with Aaron Hicks Moon. Next time on the 502 00:27:59,377 --> 00:28:02,937 Speaker 2: Jesus Calling podcast, we'll hear from author and speaker John O'Leary, 503 00:28:03,097 --> 00:28:05,817 Speaker 2: who shares the story of how he narrowly survived a 504 00:28:05,857 --> 00:28:09,137 Speaker 2: tragic house fire as a child and the unexpected heroes 505 00:28:09,217 --> 00:28:13,097 Speaker 2: who shaved his life in unimaginable ways. 506 00:28:13,137 --> 00:28:15,777 Speaker 5: The heroes show up and none of them were tights, 507 00:28:16,177 --> 00:28:18,337 Speaker 5: and none of them were capes, and they just look 508 00:28:18,417 --> 00:28:21,297 Speaker 5: like ordinary friends who faithfully live out the message of 509 00:28:21,377 --> 00:28:24,777 Speaker 5: Jesus in life. If God can use those people, he 510 00:28:24,937 --> 00:28:27,297 Speaker 5: can use me. And that is a message I think 511 00:28:27,297 --> 00:28:28,617 Speaker 5: we need right now in this world. 512 00:28:33,257 --> 00:28:35,777 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Jesus Calling Stories of Faith 513 00:28:35,857 --> 00:28:39,697 Speaker 2: podcast on the Life Audio Network. Every week we'll bring 514 00:28:39,737 --> 00:28:42,337 Speaker 2: you stories from people who share their journeys of faith 515 00:28:42,657 --> 00:28:46,337 Speaker 2: and how prayer and a relationship with God transformed their lives. 516 00:28:47,137 --> 00:28:50,497 Speaker 2: Be sure to follow us on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or 517 00:28:50,537 --> 00:28:53,817 Speaker 2: wherever you listen to podcasts, and leave us a review 518 00:28:53,937 --> 00:28:58,137 Speaker 2: so others can be inspired weekly by these stories of faith. Finally, 519 00:28:58,417 --> 00:29:01,937 Speaker 2: you can find encouragement resources and more on the Jesus 520 00:29:01,937 --> 00:29:04,737 Speaker 2: Calling website at Jesus Calling dot com.