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Speaker 1: to the Big Weekend Pod. We got a lot to

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Speaker 1: cover today. With John Ellis, we are talking about, among

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Speaker 1: other things, AI, I mean, talking as well with Matt

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Speaker 1: Contineny of The Wall Street Journal and Ben dominicsh of

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Speaker 1: Fox News about a whole bunch of things, including the

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Speaker 1: Venezuelan tanker operation. What's going to happen next with Maduro?

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Speaker 1: What about the quote AI trade? What about President Trump's numbers?

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Speaker 1: The election of a Democrat mayor in the city of

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Speaker 1: Miami for the first time in thirty years. Democrats to

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Speaker 1: be jubilant, Republicans to be alarmed. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: It's really kind of a small electorate and I don't

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Speaker 2: But stick around. We'll also have Doug le Maries.

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Speaker 1: We usually talk Football this week, we're talking the implode

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Speaker 1: a pretty tragic story. We're not gonna do Schrodenfreud, We're

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Speaker 1: not into that. But we'll talk about the implications for

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Speaker 1: college football with Dougla Marives. All that is ahead on

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Speaker 1: the Big weekend Pod. Thank you for listening, just.

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Speaker 2: Not roasting on an open fun Welcome back America. I'm

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Speaker 2: Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 1: That's Frank Sinatra. He'd be one hundred and ten today

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Speaker 1: if you were still alive. And this is Matt Conteney

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Speaker 1: Colmas for the Wall Street Journal. Back in the jail

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Speaker 1: cell Stass Central at AEI. I was going to ask

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Speaker 1: if you had left AEI, Matt, but you haven't obviously,

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Speaker 1: or they won't let you leave, which is it.

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Speaker 3: They'll have to drag me out of here. You love

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Speaker 3: being at AI, love being in the Stazi cell. It's

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Speaker 3: very cold here, so it's really that kind of sense

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Speaker 2: It is the most unfortunate backdrop in Washington, d C. Matt,

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Speaker 2: I have many things to go.

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Speaker 4: Through with you.

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Speaker 2: First.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with the seizure of the Venezuelan tanker.

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Speaker 1: Did it make you raise even an eyebrow or did

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Speaker 1: you say that's the way to do it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's absolutely the way to do it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, in comparison to the strikes on the drug boats,

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Speaker 3: this is kind of small beer, but it's done with

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Speaker 3: the warrant. It was very effective operation, and actually it

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Speaker 3: may be more damaging to the Maduro regime than the

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Speaker 3: strikes on the drug boats, because the regime needs that

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Speaker 3: oil revenue to sustain itself and to buy off all

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Speaker 3: the various elements within the Venezuelan government who.

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Speaker 2: Would like to see Maduro go.

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Speaker 3: So I think this is a step in the right

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Speaker 3: direction as President Trump gradually ratchets up the pressure. You know,

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Speaker 3: we have an indictment, we have a bounty, we have

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Speaker 3: the strikes on the drug boats, we have sanctions, we

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Speaker 3: have the military build up, and now we have seizing

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Speaker 3: the tanker.

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Speaker 2: Let's keep it going.

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Speaker 1: There are apparently at least ten tankers that are stuck

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Speaker 1: in the Venezuelan port where they get the oil, and

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Speaker 1: they haven't moved since his tanker was taken. They'll run

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Speaker 1: out of money in a hurry to pay off the people.

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Speaker 1: They need to pay off now Matt. In nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush, mister Pruden invaded Panama to get rid of Noriega,

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Speaker 1: and Operation just Caused had no congressional warrant whatsoever. There

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Speaker 1: was not any kind of AUFM. What do you think

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think it is applicable. Look, we have Maduro

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Speaker 2: So I think we have a reasonable.

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Speaker 3: Cause to conduct these operations to one to combat the drugs,

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Speaker 3: and two eventually get Maduro to go. We'd all hope

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Speaker 3: way that this is headed, Hugh, President Trump may have

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Speaker 2: Through his days are numbered? Is up there with this?

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Speaker 1: Will not stand by hw After Saddam went in to

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Speaker 1: new book is out Conquering Crisis this year? Perfect for Chris.

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Speaker 1: We saved Iraqi freighters in nineteen ninety on absolutely no

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Speaker 1: wringing his hands in public. They're simply underestimating or do

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Speaker 1: not understand the Article two power, or they just want

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Speaker 1: it not to be so for President Trump, which is it?

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Speaker 1: They don't understand it, or they're just anti Trump.

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Speaker 2: Well, the double standard is obvious here.

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Speaker 3: I mean, where were these Democrats when Obama was droning

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Speaker 3: Where were they after Biden's drone strike, after the retreat

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Speaker 3: in Afghanistan? Our thirteen US Service members killed in that

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Speaker 3: horrible retreat, and then Biden, to show that he was tough,

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Speaker 3: The Democrats are fine with the president's Article two power

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Speaker 1: When I come back with Matt Connety, we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the president's executive order yesterday telling every of

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Speaker 1: of artificial intelligence. That is an assertion of presidential authority

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Speaker 1: without precedent. Doesn't mean it won't work, because we do

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Speaker 1: have the interstate commerce power vested in Congress, not vested

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Speaker 1: much risk he's at by allowing the Obamacare subsidies that

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Speaker 1: were extended on an emergency basis or actually implemented on

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Speaker 1: an emergency basis during COVID to expire, because expire they

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Speaker 1: and after the break stage, I am back with Matt

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Speaker 1: Konteney Wall Street Journal, Calmness Fellow, and the Domestic Policy

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Speaker 1: Studies at the American Enterprise Institute. Matt, I hope you

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Speaker 1: don't have to study the Affordable Care Act. Obamacare would

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Speaker 1: break my brain. But I do know that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are going to get walloped with premium hikes

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Speaker 1: because they've been subsidizing the insurance companies for two and

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Speaker 1: a half years. What do you think the Republicans should do?

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Speaker 1: What do you think the impact of the subsidies subsiding will.

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Speaker 3: Be, Well, in the short term, it's the subsidies ending

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Speaker 3: will be really hard for people who are purchasing plans

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Speaker 3: on the Obamacare exchange.

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Speaker 2: And that's a sign of Obamacare's failure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Obamacare has failed in almost every respect.

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Speaker 3: First they said you were going to be able to

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Speaker 3: keep your doctor. Of course you weren't able to. They

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Speaker 3: Then they said premiums wouldn't rise. Well, of course they've increased.

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Speaker 3: And this temporary measure that the Democrats got through during

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Speaker 3: was simply making all the problems worse by sending the

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Speaker 3: money to the insurers and not to the consumers who

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Speaker 3: are actually buying these plans on the exchange. So there

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Speaker 3: Obamacare on the exchange. You have to remember that's a

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Speaker 3: pretty small percent of the overall American population, but it

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Speaker 3: will hurt. The question then is how do we make

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Speaker 3: healthcare in general more affordable? And there I think the

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Speaker 3: President and Senator Cassidy are on the right track by saying,

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Speaker 3: look that start giving money directly to consumers, directly to

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Speaker 3: patients so that they can have more of a role

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Speaker 3: in figuring out what services they need and how, and

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Speaker 3: more skin in the game to make sure that they

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Speaker 3: get the best price. But I also think there's some

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Speaker 3: other things that the Republicans can do, Hugh. One is

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Speaker 3: really advocate for price transparency. Really make sure that these

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Speaker 3: can do comparison shopping. And the other thing that you

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Speaker 3: big pharma, and there's a populist coalition against big pharma.

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Speaker 3: I think we need to talk about big hospitals a

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Speaker 3: lot of the price increases are due to the hospitals

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Speaker 2: That is it worth the risk.

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Speaker 1: The Republicans technically could do another reconciliation. They could preempt

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Speaker 1: state insurance. They could get avic Roy and you've all

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Speaker 1: loved and put them in a room and say, draft

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Speaker 1: a new Obamacare, because it's a comprehensive, catastrophic failure of

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Speaker 3: You know, healthcare is a very tricky issue for Republicans.

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Speaker 3: They're never comfortable comfortable about it, and they're all over

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Speaker 3: the place on what to do about healthcare, how to

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Speaker 3: these subsidies for Obamacare.

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Speaker 2: That's not the way to do it.

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Speaker 3: You want to have more competition because competition is the

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Speaker 2: Know, Senator of Celibrat and Collins are up for re election. Matt,

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Speaker 2: we got to come back from bread. Yeah that was

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Speaker 2: throwing a four up and standby your uh merry little chrisma.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back America. I'm here, Hewett.

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Speaker 1: During the break, Matt Continenti of the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: and Ai and I were talking about the catastrophic valure

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Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do. Matt, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: that's going to show change. But the Cassidy Crapo bill

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Speaker 1: I think we're out of ideas. On the Republican.

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Speaker 3: Side, well, look here, the House Conference has about ten

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Speaker 3: I think that we can't agree on a single idea

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Speaker 3: a disadvantage to the Liberals and Democrats who have one idea,

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Speaker 3: and that is more government involvement in healthcare, eventually toward

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Speaker 3: a single pair system. I think that healthcare debate, you

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to go back in time almost twenty years.

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Speaker 3: The executive actions that were granted amnesty to both the

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Speaker 2: Which leads me to my last subject. You with you, Matt.

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Speaker 1: I worry that nobody cares because Pat Zippoloni Don McGahn

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Speaker 3: I don't think he should read classify pot.

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Speaker 1: right back, America. I'm Hugh hewittt Morning, Gorey and Amy Grace, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt. Welcome to the Friday look Back weekend

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Speaker 1: review edition, joined by Ben Dominic of The Big Ben

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Speaker 5: It really is, it really is. You can't judge that

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Speaker 1: You well educate the eyes a little bit because it's

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Speaker 2: Now, when does it end?

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Speaker 1: And you know, they'll be a lot better than the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty sixteen twenty twenty field, a lot better than

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris because they're both better on camera.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and here's the other thing. If you believe as

440
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Speaker 5: many of us do, that Kamala Harris was kind of

441
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Speaker 5: the last gasp of a multi generation Democrat establishment that

442
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Speaker 5: had cleared the path for the nominee over and over again,

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Speaker 5: including by the way, of course, for Joe Biden, and

444
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Speaker 5: that they've basically compelled her to be the candidate at

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Speaker 5: that juncture. They've never been more robust by the Democratic base,

446
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Speaker 5: which is so disgusted with the campaign that she ran

447
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Speaker 5: and everything that came out of that. They had their

448
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Speaker 5: hopes up, but believe so much was squandered. And now

449
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Speaker 5: this is the moment for if you're a critic of

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Speaker 5: that Democrat establishment and you can position yourself as such

451
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Speaker 5: to make this kind of run, especially by the way

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Speaker 5: I mentioned Newsom before. Can you imagine the three of

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Speaker 5: them on stage together. Can you have the Slice actually

454
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Speaker 5: being the most compelling?

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Speaker 2: Not at all?

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Speaker 1: I mean jin Soon knife time, Jenson knife chop chop

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Speaker 1: chop chop, Gavin goodbye. Let me switch to the topic

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Speaker 1: about which I have a conflict of interest, not Schottenfreud.

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Speaker 1: Although I'm an Ohio State fan, I went to the

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Speaker 1: University of Michigan law school, and so I do actually

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Speaker 1: love the university and this is terrible for the university.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to have an opinion on it

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Speaker 1: on the air, But what do they do?

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Speaker 4: Ben?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a nightmare.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think that this the thing that's really awful

467
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Speaker 5: about this is I think that the initial reports of

468
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Speaker 5: this story made it look like something that was just embarrassing,

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Speaker 5: and then it became something that was sad, and then

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Speaker 5: it became something that was dark. Sort that's sort of

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Speaker 5: It's just absolutely horrible and sortid. And I don't know

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Speaker 5: where they go from here, particularly because there were so

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Speaker 5: many opening this off season that the good coaches got hired.

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Speaker 5: You know, they all have already moved, and the I

475
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Speaker 5: mean the transfer windows pass open, You're going to have

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Speaker 5: this situation that they're going to be dealing with, I think,

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Speaker 5: and this is, by the way, why I reject some

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Speaker 5: of the conspiracy series that this was something that was

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Speaker 5: well known or that apparently, you know, there was more

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Speaker 5: than rumors going around. That's been said by a couple

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Speaker 5: of people who you know, have a reason to be

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Speaker 5: on the inside in the Michigan circles, including Rich Eisen

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Speaker 5: who you know, apparently heard about it within you know,

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Speaker 5: ninety minutes of the end of of the Ohio State

485
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Speaker 5: Michigan contest. This is the sort of thing that can

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Speaker 5: set a program back in this significant way. And I

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Speaker 5: hate to see it because I you know, as as

488
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Speaker 5: with you, I like to see competition on the field

489
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Speaker 5: and I hate to see this kind of things that

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Speaker 5: are The human tragedy that is going on here seems immense.

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Speaker 2: And so do you do you wait? Just on the

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Speaker 2: sports side, do you wait?

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Speaker 1: They need a new athletic director, but do you wait

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Speaker 1: until after the playoffs and then take a big, big

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Speaker 1: pile of money and go to Kurt signetti in and say,

496
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Speaker 1: you know you can't sustain this here.

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Speaker 2: This is a basketball goal.

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Speaker 5: I think that's about the best that you could do

499
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Speaker 5: in this very bad situation. And maybe that money will

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Speaker 5: talk well. I mean, we'll have to see the way

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Speaker 5: things play out, but they have very limited options at

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Speaker 5: this stage, just given the hiring processes that have already

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Speaker 5: played out.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Tommy Racers, the offensive coordinator of the Browns,

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Speaker 1: if I believe my Cleveland Sports, and he was the

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Speaker 1: Alabama OC for Nick Sabe and he's a very smart guy,

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Speaker 1: but he's never been a head coach before don't you

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Speaker 1: have to have been a head coach to run a

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Speaker 1: program blue Blood program.

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Speaker 5: I feel like you have to be to run a

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Speaker 5: program where you're going to get the kind of slings

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Speaker 5: and arrows and expectations that you have with a Michigan

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Speaker 5: And I mean, maybe things are dire enough that they

515
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Speaker 5: would do something like that, but I don't think that

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Speaker 5: at this point with this program, you're going to tempt

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Speaker 5: one of these other big names that is kind of

518
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Speaker 5: on the shelf to come off. I think you're going

519
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Speaker 5: to have to get someone who believes that they can

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Speaker 5: be more competitive there, and you know, maybe that does

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Speaker 5: set up them up to just put a pile of

522
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Speaker 5: money in front of somebody. But it's late, The hour

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Speaker 5: is late for something like that.

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Speaker 1: Stand By America. During the break, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: listen to the podcast. I'm going to get the update

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Speaker 1: on the pipe bomber, because the only person I know

527
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Speaker 1: who's actually covered the story well is Ben and Miranda Divine.

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Speaker 1: I've not covered it at all because it's so early.

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Speaker 1: The conspiracy nuts are out there in legion, but I

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Speaker 1: trust Ben and Miranda, and they talked about on the

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Speaker 1: Big Ben podcast, and so I'll get Ben's take off

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Speaker 1: there and they'll be back on the other side. Don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere, America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I'm back with Ben Dominich,

534
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Speaker 1: and I'm setting you up to go and listen to

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Speaker 1: the Big Ben podcast because he and Miranda Devine did

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into the pipe bomb guy.

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Speaker 2: Ben.

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Speaker 1: Miranda let fly very quickly with he was on the

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Speaker 1: phone taking instructions from someone as a theory. She didn't

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Speaker 1: say that was what was happening. Yeah, do you buy

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Speaker 1: into the I mean, it had not even occurred to

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Speaker 1: me at all.

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Speaker 2: I just think he's a crazy guy. But do you

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Speaker 2: think that is.

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Speaker 5: I think so. I've I've heard that from a couple

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Speaker 5: of people. I think it could be something that is

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Speaker 5: possible as a rumor. I do not personally believe it.

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Speaker 5: I think that this guy seems to just in terms

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Speaker 5: of his behavior, and we know this from the testimony

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Speaker 5: of multiple you know, people who know him and have

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Speaker 5: known him in his neighborhood for a long time, and

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Speaker 5: and it's enough of a of a you know, sometimes

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Speaker 5: when these things happen, you know, you get one or

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Speaker 5: two people and you always get the grandmother saying you

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Speaker 5: wouldn't hurt a fly. And then you actually get in

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Speaker 5: this case, you know, a pretty significant way of people saying, yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is a very weird, autistic guy. You know, he

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Speaker 5: he sort of sticks to himself, does this thing in

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Speaker 5: the in terms of walking his dog all the time,

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Speaker 5: is on his phone. And that's pretty much the thing

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Speaker 5: that I think that behavior signifies, though, is that this

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Speaker 5: guy is did not seem to be trying to hide

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Speaker 5: his tracks. He might seemed to be trying to hide anything.

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Speaker 5: And in this case, I think that you could ascribe

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Speaker 5: that to either a conspiratorial view where they're taking instruction

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Speaker 5: from someone or something along those lines, or you could

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Speaker 5: take that this is just a very weird person who

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Speaker 5: had no fear about being caught and was you know,

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Speaker 5: just checking his phone about looking at a map of

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Speaker 5: an area he was perhaps unfamiliar with, you know. And

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Speaker 5: in the context of this, I actually think the real

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Speaker 5: indictment is where did all this data come from? That,

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Speaker 5: you know, we had apparently.

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Speaker 2: Corrupted data, allegedly corrupted data.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know any of this until I listened to

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Speaker 1: your podcast, by the way, because I have not read

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Speaker 1: one story about this.

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Speaker 5: And that and that to me, is like, that's the

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Speaker 5: real indictment here. It's like, this is, as I said,

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Speaker 5: this is the area that everyone is looking at. International

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Speaker 5: spies are looking at this. We know that, you know, everybody, everybody,

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Speaker 5: including the US government, pays a lot of attention to

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Speaker 5: the things that happen on Capitol Hill. That's a way,

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Speaker 5: by the way that they were able to track down

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Speaker 5: so many of the January sixth protesters and some of

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Speaker 5: them rioters who were who had, you know, gone a

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Speaker 5: foul of law, and we're able to have so much

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Speaker 5: evidence to throw at him in court. But this is

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Speaker 5: also a situation where how do you miss this guy?

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Speaker 5: Because it seems like it seems like this is something

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Speaker 5: that should have been caught much earlier, and ultimately it

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Speaker 5: may just end up being a story of absolute incompetence

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Speaker 5: in terms of of the FBI and in terms of

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Speaker 5: their behavior in this game.

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Speaker 1: I'm putting my money I'm the guy who got the

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Speaker 1: file or the gal who got the file pretty far

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Speaker 1: down the ladder, not doing the work. I always will

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Speaker 1: go with incompetence over a conspiracy. But yeah, but I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you and Miranda touched on.

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Speaker 2: I want to bring it up.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, go get the Big Bend podcast on the Fox

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network, Read him in the spectator, get the Transom,

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Speaker 1: and Merry Christmas, Ben Dominance touching it, Mary Christen to

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Speaker 1: you you.

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Speaker 6: Oh the weather outside is frightful, but the fire is

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Speaker 6: so delightful.

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Speaker 2: Since we've no place to go, let it snow, let

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Speaker 2: it Welcome back America.

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Speaker 1: That is Francis Albertson, who would be one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten were you alive today December twelve, the Old Blue

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Speaker 1: Eye's birthday. No better person to have on than Eli Lake,

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Speaker 1: who is, of course the host of the Getting a

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Speaker 1: Breaking Breaking History podcast, the most recent one of which

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Speaker 1: was dedicated and I guess rededicated to while all our

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Speaker 1: favorite Christmas music was written by Jews. Eli welcome. I

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Speaker 1: first want to clear up. I want everyone to know

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Speaker 1: you are not in favor of Stalin.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was what's the funniest line? Would you

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Speaker 2: tell people about that? Because I just it was the

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Speaker 2: funniest episode of the commentary.

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Speaker 7: But we were talking about we were talking about this

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Speaker 7: wonderful thing of the house, the home where the house

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Speaker 7: where I live, which is I still love this sentiment

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Speaker 7: of it. It's a special that Frank Sinatra did in

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Speaker 7: the nineteen forties. That was about, you know, was the

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Speaker 7: idea that there is an of Americanism that you know,

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Speaker 7: it doesn't matter where your family came from. We're all

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Speaker 7: Americans and bigotry isn't cool. This is what the younger

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Speaker 7: of Rank and John Bodard's pointed out that the guy

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Speaker 7: who wrote that was a Schalinist, and I had to say, well,

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Speaker 7: I don't like Stalin.

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Speaker 1: John not only pointed it out, he was basically going

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Speaker 1: to throw you off the set if it could physically

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Speaker 1: have removed you, like you triggered John.

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Speaker 8: Never know that that.

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Speaker 7: No, I know that it's great, and the film is great.

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Speaker 7: It's it's one of my it's kind of the one

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Speaker 7: of the things I love about America.

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Speaker 8: But you know, we disagree. Friends disagree from time to time.

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Speaker 2: So I want to know the name of the movie.

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Speaker 2: The house. I have not heard of it. So tell

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Speaker 2: me about the movie.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's not a movie. It's a short film that

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Speaker 7: was sort of done. It was like the equivalent in

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Speaker 7: the nineteen forties of a psa against bigotry, and the

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Speaker 7: it's and it's Sinatra kind of you know, is the celebrity,

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Speaker 7: and he kind of you know happens upon some kids,

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Speaker 7: you know, they were like ethnic epithets. And he explains

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Speaker 7: it that he sings this song about how America is

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Speaker 7: for everyone.

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Speaker 4: That's the idea.

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Speaker 1: Well, all I know is that Sinatra. When I was

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Speaker 1: in high school choir and I wasn't very good. The

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Speaker 1: choir director, who was very good, said, this man has

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Speaker 1: the most perfect pitch ever. Just listened to him. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the most recent breaking history. Why did

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Speaker 1: the Jews write all our Christmas? I've saved it for

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Speaker 1: tomorrow from my long run on the assumption that it

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Speaker 1: gets above freezing in the Beltway. What am I going

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Speaker 1: to hear about? Give us the preview of the Breaking

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Speaker 1: History from Free Press.

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Speaker 7: Well, okay, so this episode is we did it last year,

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Speaker 7: but we're re upping it because I think it's so

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Speaker 7: perfect for this seasonal year. It looks at the kind

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Speaker 7: of American songbook, and in the American songbook you have

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Speaker 7: what I would consider to be sort of the great

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Speaker 7: American classics. I distinguished this from Hondel and Bach, which

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Speaker 7: is very I think religiously inspired music. But the American

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Speaker 7: Christmas music is about a feeling. It's about the you know,

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Speaker 7: the holiday kind of the feeling, and a lot of

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Speaker 7: this was written.

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Speaker 8: Let it s know that you were playing earlier.

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Speaker 7: White Christmas is the kind of classic by Irving Berlin,

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Speaker 7: by this great generation of Jewish immigrants who also helped

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Speaker 7: write the American Songbook. And I just think it's one

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Speaker 7: of these things that talk. It's a testament to the

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Speaker 7: wonders of America that because, first of all, the history

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Speaker 7: of Christmas is fascinating, as I'm sure you know. In Europe,

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Speaker 7: it meant something very different, the kind of Anglo Dutch tradition.

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Speaker 7: It was almost the Christmas of the seventeen hundreds or

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Speaker 7: the sixteen hundreds was an opportunity for class rebellion.

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Speaker 8: It was dangerous.

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Speaker 7: Christmas at times in Europe was you know, usually coincided

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Speaker 7: with anti Semitic riots and progrums, depending on you know,

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Speaker 7: the area, which is a sad thing. In America, Christmas

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Speaker 7: is this wonderful kind of thing that you can be religious,

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Speaker 7: you can be a Christian, you can be non religious.

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Speaker 7: It welcomes you. I love the music and when I

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Speaker 7: was researching it, I thought to myself, this tells us

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Speaker 7: something really wonderful about America, which is that it becomes

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Speaker 7: a home for Jews escaping oppression in Europe and they

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Speaker 7: get to contribute to the American Christmas tradition that we

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Speaker 7: know today.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to listen to this. I think this

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Speaker 2: is going to be so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I want one tiny spoiler, Alan Bergman. I once went

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Speaker 1: with the fetching Missus Shuett to listen to Alan and

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Speaker 1: his wife do a show. And you know, they were

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Speaker 1: quite advanced in age, but mostly they talked about their

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Speaker 1: lives and how they would make music in Hollywood. It

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Speaker 1: was fabulous, and so I said, would you come to

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Speaker 1: the studio? And he came to the studio and he

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Speaker 1: spent a couple hours talking about writing song.

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Speaker 2: Did he write any Christmas music? Does any Alan Bergman

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Speaker 2: tune come to mine?

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Speaker 7: I don't have Alan Bergman in it, but it really

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Speaker 7: is about Irving Berlin, who I'll do a little bit

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Speaker 7: of a spoiler.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 7: I love this story of Irving Berlin is remembering because

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Speaker 7: he writes White Christmas, that's the biggest hit of all time.

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Speaker 7: Almost He says that when he was a child in

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Speaker 7: the Lower East Side in a tenement, he remembers his

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Speaker 7: Irish neighbors inviting him in to look at their very

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Speaker 7: modest tree and remarking that he believed he felt like

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Speaker 7: in that act of kindness, neighborly kind of kindness to him,

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Speaker 7: that the tree was towering to heaven. And I think

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Speaker 7: that he had a great affection for the holiday, writes

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Speaker 7: this song. Originally White Christmas is about you know, being

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Speaker 7: in Los Angeles missing the snow. But the real meaning

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Speaker 7: was that it comes out during World War Two. Our

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Speaker 7: gis cling to it.

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Speaker 8: It's the thing. It's like, this is.

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Speaker 7: What home is, and you know, and it's not. By

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Speaker 7: the way, Irving Berlin has a probably is a titan

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Speaker 7: of American music. So I really wanted to tell that story.

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Speaker 7: I contrast it with as a kind of point of reference,

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Speaker 7: Philip Roth writes about this.

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Speaker 8: I disagree with Philip Roth.

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Speaker 7: He kind of cast it conspiratorially that Irving Berlin dechrist

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Speaker 7: defies Christmas. That's not how I see it. I see

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Speaker 7: it more as it's a testament to America. We have

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Speaker 7: such an amazing country at our best, not every chapter,

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Speaker 7: but at our best. It is the kind of place

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Speaker 7: that can welcome people who were once you know, made

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Speaker 7: fearful because of the holiday and make and have them

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Speaker 7: be part of that's fabulous.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna love love it as a Jew. I

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Speaker 1: got to ask you as a Jew. I just learned

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Speaker 1: from Bethany Mandel that if you go to Israel you

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Speaker 1: get as much Christmas as you do in New York City.

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Speaker 1: And she she's surprised by that. So that's I find

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting. But there are many people wringing their

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Speaker 1: hands about our marginal figures whose names I never say

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Speaker 1: on the program, unlike on the commentary podcast. For you

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Speaker 1: guys worry about them all the time because they're so marginal.

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Speaker 1: Stop stop making them mainstream. So am I wrong to

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Speaker 1: have my opinion? Just just mute them, put them on

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Speaker 1: permanent mute.

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Speaker 7: I think, I think, uh, you're right in a sense

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Speaker 7: that we've kind of had our moment talking about them.

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Speaker 7: But they have a lot, There are a lot. There

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Speaker 7: are millions of people who listen to them. Some of

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Speaker 7: it might be foreign pots. I like your rule on

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Speaker 7: this program we won't mention the names.

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Speaker 8: The key is that.

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Speaker 7: I think you know, the right is having in conversation

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Speaker 7: right now, and it's to be And I think that

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Speaker 7: it's important and to sort of do what Buckley did before,

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Speaker 7: which is to make the case that you know, some

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Speaker 7: of these things are part of the conservative movement.

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Speaker 8: If it becomes then let's get back to ignoring them.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if it becomes big enough, I'll start paying attention

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Speaker 1: to them. But I think you guys have quashed them

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Speaker 1: already enough. But we will see, Eli Lake, I look

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Speaker 1: forward through the Breaking History podcast tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 2: It's available at the Free Press. You ought to subscribe

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Speaker 2: to the Free Press.

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Speaker 1: Eli Lake is that ax Pat Eli Lake, following liking

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Speaker 1: and skate t Morning Glory and even Grace America from

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Speaker 1: a very chilly beltleigh On Hewitt, Thank you and welcome

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Speaker 1: me to the Friday edition of The view of show

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Speaker 1: Always the Week in Review and When We Are Lucky.

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Speaker 1: John Ellis, founder and CEO and chief editor of News

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Speaker 1: Items joins me to kick off the week and John,

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Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of it is pretty complicated. I want to start though,

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Speaker 1: by giving a plug to News Items. It's a perfect

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Speaker 1: Christmas gift for news junkies. Do you find that some

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Speaker 1: people find it a perfect Christmas gift for news junkies?

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Speaker 6: Well, It's a great gift because you can do it

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Speaker 6: so quickly and you know it's painless, essentially, so you

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Speaker 6: can give ten gifts to news items in probably five minutes.

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Speaker 4: And people like that part.

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Speaker 6: And presumably the people who receive it like it as

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Speaker 6: well well.

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Speaker 2: The people who follow me on x NO.

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Speaker 1: That pretty much every morning, the first couple of things

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Speaker 1: I will post are the two or three items from

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Speaker 1: news items that matter the most that day and sort

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Speaker 1: of set me up. But I want to start today

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Speaker 1: with what the President did yesterday with artificial intelligence and

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Speaker 1: executive order, and John, when we were doing our back

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Speaker 1: and forth to set up, I said, take your time

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Speaker 1: on this. This is very complicated. It's also I think

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Speaker 1: very important.

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Speaker 2: What do you do.

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 6: He signed an executive order yesterday that the Time says

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Speaker 6: aims to neuter state laws that limit the artificial intelligence industry,

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Speaker 6: a win for tech companies that have lobbied against regulation

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Speaker 6: of the booming technology, which is not really the way

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Speaker 6: we should.

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Speaker 4: Think about this.

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Speaker 6: The way to think about this is either one believes

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Speaker 6: that we have to stay ahead on AI in order

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Speaker 6: to prevent China from quote winning, or we can take

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Speaker 6: our chances and say it doesn't matter who wins. So

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Speaker 6: what Trump has done here is he's essentially voided any

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Speaker 6: state regulation that might apply to AI because he believes

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Speaker 6: that we have to stay ahead in AI in order

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Speaker 6: to quote meet China. He gets paid to make big decisions.

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Speaker 6: This is a big decision. There are a lot of people,

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Speaker 6: not just Republicans, not just Democrats, a lot of people

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Speaker 6: who think the tech community has too much power, and

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Speaker 6: a lot of those people are in Trump's quote base

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Speaker 6: end quote. But he's made the determination that it's necessary

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Speaker 6: for us to stay ahead the AI race. We can't

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Speaker 6: bog them down and endless regulation. So have at it.

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Speaker 6: It's a tricky it's a difficult decision, and I think

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Speaker 6: you made the right one.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday John I wrote a column for Fox News. Are

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Speaker 1: doing for the Congress to preempt state laws that are

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Speaker 1: interfering with the permitting of gas natural gas pipelines? Because

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Speaker 1: every state does permitting and it screws up pipelines, and

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Speaker 1: the Congress could do it if it wants to. I've

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Speaker 1: never seen a preemption, and Congress does sometimes preempt hasn't

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Speaker 1: done it in state insurance, for example, and so we

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Speaker 1: have all these different insurance regulations all.

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Speaker 2: Over the United States. Congress could preempt that if they

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Speaker 2: want to.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen preemption done by executive order, though, and

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Speaker 1: I've been teaching connin law for a long time. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it works. Have you got anyone telling

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Speaker 1: you they think it works.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry you frozen on me there. Could you rephrase

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Speaker 4: the question?

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Speaker 1: Has anyone told you that an executive order works to

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Speaker 1: preempt state regulation because I've never seen it tried before.

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Speaker 4: No one's told me that.

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Speaker 6: I think what Trump has done, as he sometimes does,

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Speaker 6: is he simply asserted it on the theory that it

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Speaker 6: may be litigated. It may not be, but in the meantime,

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Speaker 6: what he wants done will get done. In this case,

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Speaker 6: you know, if he phrased it, if he couches it

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Speaker 6: as a national security issue, which I suspect he will,

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Speaker 6: then I think the courts would rule favorably.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sort of in favor of this

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Speaker 1: if it works, if it's constitutional, because I'll take my

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Speaker 1: favorite state, Ohio. I don't think they have the capacity

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Speaker 1: in the Buckeye State to regulate AI And I don't

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Speaker 1: know what your favorite state is, but I know they

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Speaker 1: don't have the capacity in California because they have they

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Speaker 1: screw up everything that they touch.

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Speaker 2: Are you glad that he did it? John? You follow

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Speaker 2: Ai pretty closely?

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 6: I think you know it's a choice, right, it's a decision.

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Speaker 6: It's what we pay for us to do, to make

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Speaker 6: big decisions like this. And there are arguments that you know,

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Speaker 6: tech has the big tech community has way too much power,

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Speaker 6: that we need to rain them in, and so on

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Speaker 6: and so forth. The counter argument is if we don't

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Speaker 6: let them get there first, then China will get there first.

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Speaker 6: That has enormous implications for national security, for military obviously,

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Speaker 6: for technology, life sciences. I mean, it goes on and

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Speaker 6: on and on, and so if you believe that it's

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Speaker 6: necessary and important for the US to either stay ahead

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Speaker 6: or at least running when with China, then you have

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Speaker 6: to think that President Trump made the right decision.

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Speaker 4: It's not you know, it's not cut and dry. But

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Speaker 4: that's my that's my.

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Speaker 2: View, that's my leaning as well.

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Speaker 1: But if we agree on that, do you also agree

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Speaker 1: I know it's not the Blackwell chip. It's not the

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Speaker 1: in China. But I just think it makes it easier

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Speaker 1: for developing China.

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Speaker 2: What say you?

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Speaker 4: I agree with you. I was missed.

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Speaker 6: There are a couple of decisions recently that the administration

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Speaker 1: All right, So it does seem we want AI on

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Speaker 1: the other hand because of China. On the other hand,

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Speaker 2: All right. Let's turn to Europe.

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Speaker 1: Because the new National Security Strategy came out. Many people

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Speaker 1: In some cases. You pointed out to me, it might

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you look at the key nations and

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Speaker 6: And I suspect that the leaders of those three parties

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Speaker 4: And they may indeed win.

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Speaker 6: The surge of AfD, which is a right wing populist

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Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to chat with Liz Trust last week.

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Speaker 1: and he blew it. Do you think bond vigilantes would

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know that because in the case

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Speaker 6: don't know how the bond markets would react to that.

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, given that there will be either

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Speaker 1: And then finally China has announced they've they've welcoming in

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Speaker 1: their golden era of fracking, and that is alarming to

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Speaker 1: us because the one thing they never had was energy.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they've actually got it?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 2: I think that.

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Speaker 4: I think that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think the technology will be deployed tomorrow,

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Speaker 6: but I think the breakthrough, the technological breakthrough to get

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Speaker 6: that is.

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Speaker 4: I think will come online.

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Speaker 6: If I'm reading the stories right, that'll come online either

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Speaker 4: That would enable China to uh.

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Speaker 6: You know, the fracking revolution in the United States made

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Speaker 2: Doug Ay Marie's with the Bill and Doug Show.

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Speaker 1: I think the best college football podcast sifts through the

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Speaker 2: What do they do next? Say Tim. We'll hear from

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Speaker 2: Doug right after. Are the held Angels glorious? Welcome back

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Speaker 2: in America. I'm Hugh HEWITTT.

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Speaker 1: You know, the biggest story in college football, impact in

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Speaker 1: all of sports in America right now is the meltdown

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Speaker 1: in Michigan. I'm joined by Doug a Marie. He is

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Speaker 1: co host of the Bill and Doug Show, which you

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Speaker 1: often about OSU exclusively and often about all of college football,

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Speaker 1: often on wherever we get podcasts. Bill and Doug Show, Doug,

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Speaker 1: my hat tip to you and Bill for handling this

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Speaker 1: meltdown without any shaden freud, because I.

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Speaker 4: Don't have it.

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Speaker 1: It's my law school, almamater. I wanted to ask you

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Speaker 1: what you think the NC two a hot to do

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Speaker 1: about the kids who were defrauded, because I really do

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Speaker 1: think they were defrauded by the program, the ones who

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's hard.

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Speaker 9: So, as people may or may not know, the first

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Speaker 9: Wednesday in December is the date now when college football

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Speaker 9: players sign with their university, and so it's it's you know,

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Speaker 9: a week eight days since that happened. And although this

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Speaker 9: is now exploding at Michigan and so there are already

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Speaker 9: some of those players who are being let out of

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Speaker 9: those letters of intent, I think the rulebook says if

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Speaker 9: there is a coaching change, you can get out of that.

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Speaker 9: So I think those players will be in a position

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Speaker 9: off if they do not want to be part of

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Speaker 9: this at Michigan. They will have opportunities at other schools,

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Speaker 9: and certainly other schools will be.

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Speaker 5: Open to that.

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Speaker 9: And then also even after you sign, you can transfer,

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Speaker 9: and the window to transfer is in January. So like

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Speaker 9: that most of these guys will be okay because this

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Speaker 9: is not the first time that has happened to you.

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Speaker 9: That Sometimes the timing on this, whether it's coincidental or not,

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00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 9: it is sometimes it's like, oh, man, like these kids

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00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 9: just committed and now everything changed. That feels unfair. The

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00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 9: olden days you were more like locked in. These kids

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00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 9: should be okay. They can get out if they.

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Speaker 2: Want, all right.

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Speaker 1: The second big question what thed Doug La Marie Eve

1101
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: been covering this game for a long long time and

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00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: you know a lot about the team up north. What

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00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: should Michigan look for in the head the face of

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00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: their program now old news, yes, lineage or should they

1105
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: go find throw bags of money at signetty and get

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00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: them to come north and tell them it's a basketball school.

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00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: Good you did well, but come up here. What should

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00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: they do if you were going to whisper to their

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00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: new age?

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Speaker 5: It's hard.

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00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 9: The news broke when we were recording a show, and

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00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 9: so my initial thing I said, like John Harbaugh, Jim

1113
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 9: Harbaugh's brother, did not play at Michigan but grew up

1114
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 9: into the family as the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens.

1115
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 9: It feels like that might be going south a little bit.

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Speaker 9: But actually the more I think about it, the more

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00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 9: a lot of other people think about it, it feels

1118
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 9: like maybe time for a clean break. That Sharon Moore

1119
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 9: was an assistant coach for Jim, that you know that

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Speaker 9: Jim Harbaugh was, you know, Sharon Moore was part of

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00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 9: the Jim Harbaugh legacy, right, And so that idea was, like,

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Speaker 9: you can't want to continue that, even though they had

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Speaker 9: the Connor scalliont Stallion's cheating scandal and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 9: I think, maybe you want a clean break from this now,

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00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 9: Maybe maybe you just want maybe you want a clean

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00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 9: break and that you bring in somebody completely from the outside,

1127
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 9: but hugh to get somebody like that I don't know

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Speaker 9: if it would be a terrible idea.

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Speaker 8: To wait a year.

1130
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Speaker 9: Ohio State when Jim when Jim Tressel was forced to

1131
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 9: resign on Memorial Day twenty eleven, they had an interim

1132
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 9: coach for a year, but it allowed you to do

1133
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 9: a whole search, and they wound up with Urban Meyer.

1134
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 9: If you're Michigan and you want to rush this, do

1135
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 9: you want to rush it when a lot of the

1136
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 9: other best candidates are already signed up or they've gone

1137
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 9: to other schools, or would you want to take a

1138
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 9: breath and say we'll get through with an interim coach

1139
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 9: and come back next year.

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Speaker 1: What would their fans say about that? Does anyone get

1141
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: to take a breath in the new era? Doug a Marie, No.

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Speaker 8: No, it's hard.

1143
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 9: I mean, like everybody like you feel like in the moment,

1144
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 9: you can't. You can't ten year higher, Hugh, it's a

1145
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 9: fifteen year higher. You think about what Urban Meyer did

1146
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 9: for Ohio State. They got through that one year. It

1147
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 9: was difficult, but the end result was you could take

1148
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 9: that every time. But nobody wants to listen to that.

1149
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 9: Everybody's panicked about, well, what if you lose these players?

1150
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 5: What if you do this.

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00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 9: They have very talented players right now that they might lose.

1152
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 9: But also with the transfer portal, you can add talented

1153
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 9: players very quickly.

1154
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 9: I heard Rich Eisen on ESPN is in Michigan alum

1156
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 9: talking about what Michigan should do. He was talking about

1157
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 9: getting a builder, getting somebody who's want at a lower

1158
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 9: level with fewer resources. And I thought to myself, he's

1159
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 9: describing Matt Campbell. Ye, who just took the Penn State job.

1160
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 9: Who if Matt Campbell was still at Iowa State, I

1161
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 9: think he'd be the number one candidate for Michigan right now.

1162
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 9: He's been at Penn State a week, so you already

1163
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 9: lost out on that. So now you're in a scramble mode.

1164
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 9: But you should be making a ten year higher. This

1165
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 9: is the future of Michigan football. This is a line

1166
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 9: in the sand for Michigan football. And I just wouldn't

1167
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 9: be desperate. If you feel like your choice is a

1168
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 9: desperate choice, maybe the time is to make no choice.

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01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 9: I know that might be unrealistic you with the way

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01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 9: things work these days, but I'd rather wait than rush.

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Speaker 1: Well that's another good word. I want to emphasize it.

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Speaker 1: On yesterday Doug and Bill Show special podcasts. They emphasize

1173
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: we really don't know these people, something my friend Dennis

1174
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: Praeger once said when Tiger Woods.

1175
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: Life blew up.

1176
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: We really don't know these We think we know them

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01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: because they're interviewed all the time and they're on the

1178
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: we really don't know them.

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Speaker 2: Doug.

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Speaker 1: My hat's off for you for that episode yesterday, it

1181
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: was it was fabulous. My compliments to Bill as well,

1182
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: Bill and Doug os Bill and Doug Show O s U.

1183
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: I get it right, Bill and Doug OSU dot substack

1184
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: dot com, Bill and Doug os U dot substack dot com,

1185
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: or just go find the Bill and Doug Show at

1186
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: anywhere you find podcasts.

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Speaker 2: I'll be right back