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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Because rewiring your mind isn't just about reading scripture. I

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Speaker 2: think people think it is like, oh, if I just

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Speaker 2: read scripture, that will renew my mind. But it's like, no,

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Speaker 2: it's rewiring those actual physiological, biological neural pathways in your

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Speaker 2: brain and teaching your limbic system, your nervous system, a

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Speaker 2: new truth.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Love Life Sober. I'm your host and your coach,

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Speaker 3: Christy Osborne. This podcast is for the woman who loves

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Speaker 3: Jesus or is longing to reconnect with him and who

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Speaker 3: knows deep down that alcohol is no longer serving her.

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Speaker 3: Here we talk honestly with grace and truth about how

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Speaker 3: stepping away from alcohol opens the door to the love, joy, peace,

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Speaker 3: and connection you've been searching for. Because babe, those things

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Speaker 3: were never meant to be found in a bottle of wine.

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Speaker 3: They're found in Jesus. Through scripture, coaching, and neuroscience, I'll

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Speaker 3: help you make sense of your habits, your nervous system,

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Speaker 3: and what you're really craving so that freedom feels not

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Speaker 3: only possible, but sustainable. You don't have to do this alone, babe.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive in.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever gotten to the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: poured the glass of wine you promised yourself you weren't

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Speaker 3: going to have and thought, why am I still doing this?

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Speaker 3: I know I don't want to drink. I know it's

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Speaker 3: not making me feel better. I know I'm going to

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Speaker 3: regret it tomorrow. So why do I keep reaching for it? Today,

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Speaker 3: my guest, Leanne Ellington, is going to help us understand

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Speaker 3: that question in a completely different way. Because what if

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Speaker 3: your brain is simply doing what you trained it to do?

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Speaker 3: Leanne has spent years studying neuroscience, the nervous system, neuroplasticity,

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Speaker 3: and the way that our brains create patterns. And what

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Speaker 3: I especially love about her work is how she brings

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Speaker 3: all of that together with faith and what God tells

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Speaker 3: us about renewing our minds. We talk about why you

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Speaker 3: can know what God says about you in your head

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Speaker 3: and still struggle to actually believe it. We talk about

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Speaker 3: the gap between the woman you believe you are and

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Speaker 3: the woman.

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Speaker 1: God says you are.

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Speaker 3: And we talk about what it actually looks like to

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Speaker 3: begin rewiring the patterns that keep sending you back to

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Speaker 3: the bottle. I especially want you to listen for our

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Speaker 3: conversation about what happens when you drink when you said

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Speaker 3: you weren't going to. Because that moment doesn't have to

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Speaker 3: become evidence that you failed, my friend. It can become data.

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Speaker 3: It can become a growth point. It can become part

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Speaker 3: of the process of you transforming. And if you're listening

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Speaker 3: to this and thinking, okay, but how do I actually

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Speaker 3: start practicing this in my own life? Then I want

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Speaker 3: to invite you to join us for our next 40-Day

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Speaker 3: Alcohol Fast starting October 5th. For 40 days, we are

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Speaker 3: going to stop trying harder and start trying differently. You'll

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Speaker 3: have coaching, community, four live calls every week, and a

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Speaker 3: group of Christian women walking right alongside you as you

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Speaker 3: begin understanding your patterns, renewing your mind, and discovering what

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Speaker 3: life can feel like without alcohol constantly getting in the way.

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Speaker 3: 40 days is long enough to experience real change and

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Speaker 3: short enough to feel possible. So come and join us,

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Speaker 3: my beautiful friend. You can find all the details in

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Speaker 3: the show notes. Okay, let's get into my conversation with

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Speaker 3: the wonderful Leanne Ellington.

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Speaker 1: Hello, my friend. How are you?

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad to chat with you. I love spending

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Speaker 3: time with you. I love listening to your wisdom. I

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Speaker 3: love the way that you talk about neuroscience. I love

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Speaker 3: the way that you break it down for women.

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Speaker 1: I love all of it. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So let's just start like really quick. For the gals

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Speaker 3: that don't know you yet, who are you, Leanne?

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Speaker 1: Who are you? Yes. What a loaded question, right?

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Speaker 2: from studying nervous system regulation to neuropsychology to neurobiology, that

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Speaker 2: the faith conversation, it's like, again, I became my own

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Speaker 1: And so now I guide women through the same process.

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Speaker 2: Turns out that when you combine brain science with faith

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Speaker 2: he's not withholding or he's not punishing you, that's when

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So much there.

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Speaker 3: think that there is this surprise from gals who are

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Speaker 3: they're surprised by that. Right. And so what we're both

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Speaker 2: And just like so much of this, there's multi-dimensions, it's multi-layered, right?

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Speaker 2: So let's just start looking at some of the layers.

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Speaker 2: Because when we talk about programming, there's the fired and

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Speaker 1: They're not personal. They just happened.

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Speaker 2: But then there's the story, the meaning, the self-image and

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Speaker 2: And then there's all those little nuances in between. When

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Speaker 2: But why do I still feel unworthy? Why do I

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Speaker 3: Yes, 100%. And so that is what we talk about

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Speaker 3: So maybe speak a little bit to how this is

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, God's given us the resources

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, I love both of those topics.

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Speaker 2: I sent you a canoe. I sent you a helicopter.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you get in? You know, and so that's

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Speaker 2: where this, you know, again, the hard truth about free will,

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Speaker 2: God's up there being like, I'm sending you help.

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Speaker 1: Why won't you take it?

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Speaker 2: Right. And that help is like, you know, the actual

439
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Speaker 2: program that would heal us. And it's like, no, I'll

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Speaker 2: just pray harder. Or, you know, oh, is the friend

441
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Speaker 2: who found freedom and tried to share the truth. And

442
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Speaker 2: we just said, no, we're going to pray harder, right?

443
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Speaker 2: The book that could have helped, but we never applied it.

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Speaker 2: Like we're not using our free will to go rewire

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Speaker 2: our brain. And so What does real transformation require? Well,

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Speaker 2: I believe that's where the partnership model comes in. Where again,

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Speaker 2: God gave us the neuroplasticity. It's his design, the miraculous

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Speaker 2: ability for our brains to change. We have to give

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Speaker 2: it not just any stimulus. There's certain types of stimulus

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Speaker 2: that our brains need to experience this transformation and it

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Speaker 2: can't trigger.

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Speaker 1: Our BS meter.

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Speaker 2: But that's where we have to show up and we

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Speaker 2: have to provide the daily practice and showing up differently,

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Speaker 2: not just doing differently and behaving differently, but thinking differently, right?

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Speaker 1: And because the.

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Speaker 2: Problem is our old diet brain, alcohol brain, whatever brain

458
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Speaker 2: we're perpetuating, it just keeps repeating those old patterns. And

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Speaker 2: we need proper guidance and accountability while we build our

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Speaker 2: own self-accountability to actually break that cycle.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's why it is one of.

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Speaker 2: Those things where you can't just pray away neural pathways

463
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Speaker 2: that you're actively reinforcing every single right? So every time

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Speaker 2: you stand in the pantry or in the liquor cabinet

465
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Speaker 2: or whatever it is for you, and you repeat the

466
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Speaker 2: same pattern, you're strengthening those pathways, right? And God is

467
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Speaker 2: waiting for us to pick up the tools that he's

468
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Speaker 2: already given us, but he's not going to override your

469
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Speaker 2: free will, right? He's given us the hard part, right?

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Speaker 2: A brain that can change. The question is, is like,

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Speaker 2: will we get in the boat?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%, babe. I love the way that you explain that.

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Speaker 1: It's so, so good.

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Speaker 3: And it's so, I think, Relatable to the listeners. We'll

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Speaker 3: get back to today's conversation. I was just thinking about

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Speaker 3: some of the gals who I've spoken to recently who really,

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Speaker 3: when you were talking about closing the gap, right, from

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Speaker 3: who God says we are and who we believe we

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Speaker 3: are and that identity piece of the puzzle, which is so,

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Speaker 3: so huge. And I'm just, I see the faces of

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Speaker 3: some of the gals in my mind right now. How

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Speaker 3: would you encourage that woman who feels like that gap

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Speaker 3: is so big?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I was having this conversation with a woman the other

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Speaker 2: day where it's like, Okay, so for me, I was

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Speaker 2: this like skeptical, cynical Jew who grew up literally believing

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Speaker 2: that Jesus was like the Easter money, right? And so

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Speaker 2: when I know what it's like to be a non-believer

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Speaker 2: and now I know what it's like.

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Speaker 1: To be a believer, right?

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Speaker 2: And so when, but if you had talked to me

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Speaker 2: when I was in my non-believing phase, right? It's like

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Speaker 2: if you were telling me about Jesus and the promises

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Speaker 2: of God and the grace gospel, I would have and

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Speaker 2: probably did just look at you like.

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Speaker 1: It was gibberish to me. It didn't make sense. How

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Speaker 1: can you believe when you don't believe in what they're

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Speaker 1: believing in is even possible, right?

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Speaker 2: So the first thing is, the first thing I would

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Speaker 2: address or talk to you about that gap of shame is,

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Speaker 2: it's understandable that, because that's the number one thing I

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Speaker 2: hear from women is like, what if I'm too broken

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Speaker 2: to be healed?

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Speaker 1: What if my self-image is just like a dead end, right?

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Speaker 1: And so that's part of the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like, it's almost like I invite them, you do

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Speaker 2: not have to believe me.

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Speaker 1: You do not have to.

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Speaker 2: Take my word for it, but just suspend your disbelief

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Speaker 2: long enough. And you can borrow my belief while we

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Speaker 2: go build your own about what's possible. So the first

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Speaker 2: thing is like, Because here's the thing, if I'm talking

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Speaker 2: to you about this gap between who you know yourself

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Speaker 2: to be and who God says you are and then

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Speaker 2: who you're showing up as, that gap is where all

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Speaker 2: the shame lives. If I'm talking to you about that

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Speaker 2: gap and reconciling that gap and you're sitting here with

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Speaker 2: your arms closed and you're like, great, Leanne, that's great.

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Speaker 2: But like, I don't believe a word that you're saying.

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Speaker 2: It's almost a moot point, right? So that's why the

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Speaker 2: first thing I would say is like, even if you

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Speaker 2: don't believe it, just suspend disbelief of what's possible and

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Speaker 2: go try it on.

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Speaker 1: See what happens, right?

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Speaker 2: But the way I position it is I just, again,

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Speaker 2: it brings me back to neuroscience. I've been obsessed with

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Speaker 2: the anterior cingulate cortex for 20 years. So everything comes

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Speaker 2: back to the ACC for me.

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Speaker 1: This is our social brain. This is our self-image brain.

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Speaker 2: And so what I know needs to happen for that

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Speaker 2: part of our brain to feel safe, to feel seen,

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Speaker 2: to feel accepted, to feel connected, to feel cared for,

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Speaker 2: because that's.

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Speaker 1: All we really want.

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Speaker 2: And when we're drinking, eating, whatever, that's our brain trying

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Speaker 2: to fill that gap that it'll never fill, right?

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Speaker 1: Acceptance, connection, and care. So I just explain it like

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Speaker 1: it's this, what if.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't this woo-woo, like big, ambiguous concept, and it

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Speaker 2: was actually just science, right? And so again, our anterior

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Speaker 2: cingulate cortex needs acceptance, connection, and care. So then it

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Speaker 2: becomes a matter of like, what's blocking you from receiving

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Speaker 2: the love that God has for you? What's blocking you

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Speaker 2: from receiving the promises that God has for you?

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Speaker 1: What's blocking you from your own self-respect?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What's blocking you from trusting yourself, from bringing in

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Speaker 2: integrity and alignment with yourself? What's blocking you from receiving

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Speaker 2: the compliment that I just gave you or the abundance

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Speaker 2: that God has for you? So I break it down

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Speaker 2: in my system of thinking around the blocks, right? And

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Speaker 2: so there's self-acceptance, self-esteem, self-care, self-worth, and self-endorsement.

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Speaker 1: That's what's blocking us. So what do I mean?

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Speaker 2: Self-acceptance is your inability to accept and receive love, right?

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Speaker 2: And it shows up in the form of self-criticism, self-rejection,

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Speaker 2: and self-abandonment, right? And so when we can acknowledge that

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Speaker 2: and create the antidote to that, like, oh, what would

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Speaker 2: it look like not for me to just like blindly

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Speaker 2: like accept myself?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I just love myself no matter what, because we

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Speaker 1: know that doesn't work, right?

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Speaker 2: But learn to just have a language of acceptance that

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Speaker 2: allows me to love myself and not like parts of me.

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Speaker 2: that allows myself to not like certain circumstances and feel

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Speaker 2: the suck of it, feel the clean paint of it

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Speaker 2: without spiraling, without, you know, arguing with reality, saying it

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be like this.

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Speaker 1: Why is it like this? Why is this so? A

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Speaker 1: lot of people think it goes from like, I hate

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Speaker 1: myself too. I love myself.

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Speaker 2: That's not what acceptance looks like. It goes from, I

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Speaker 2: hate myself too. I'm learning not to hate myself.

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Speaker 1: It goes from not from like, oh, I'm so depressed.

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Speaker 1: I'm so joyful.

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Speaker 2: It goes from I'm so depressed to, okay, I'm just

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Speaker 2: going to find one second of just peace.

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Speaker 1: It's just neutral.

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Speaker 2: I don't even need it to be elation or joy,

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Speaker 2: just neutral, right? So that's where I, you know, have

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Speaker 2: a very different thought process on self-acceptance. But the other

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Speaker 2: thing around self-acceptance is There are certain areas of your

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Speaker 2: life where you're allowed to say, no, I no longer

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Speaker 2: want to accept this in my life. And I'm drawing

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Speaker 2: that line in the sand and I'm choosing to up level,

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Speaker 2: not from a place of shame, but just out of

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Speaker 2: a place of like, I no longer want to be

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Speaker 2: that version of myself. And I think that's where we

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Speaker 2: have the power to choose. So that's where I teach.

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Speaker 2: So again, we're coming back to the science of what

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Speaker 2: our brain actually need to feel safe. That's one of

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Speaker 2: the gaps. There's five of them.

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Speaker 1: The second one is self-esteem. It's the trust factor.

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Speaker 2: We have gotten so good at making promises and breaking

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Speaker 2: promises to ourselves. We'll keep them to everyone else, but

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Speaker 2: to ourselves, we are promise makers, but we're not promise keepers.

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Speaker 1: We've gotten used to thinking, oh, this time will be different.

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Speaker 1: And then secretly.

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Speaker 2: Knowing that nothing's different and we don't believe ourselves. So

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Speaker 2: we're assuming failure before we even start. That's where the

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Speaker 2: failure identity comes in, where we start collecting failures like

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Speaker 2: trophies and assuming our self-image starts to assume that we're

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Speaker 2: going to fail. So how do we earn back our

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Speaker 2: own trust? And in turn, how do we earn back

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Speaker 2: our own respect and become a woman of our word?

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Speaker 2: That is the other gap that needs to fill in.

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Speaker 2: And that's where I have a systematic process for that.

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Speaker 2: The third is self-care. It's not just bubble baths and manicures,

650
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Speaker 2: although those have a place. Like, I love me a

651
00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:33,610
Speaker 2: bubble bath, right? It's like, why are you abandoning yourself?

652
00:30:33,770 --> 00:30:37,630
Speaker 2: Why do you do the things that hurt you, almost

653
00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:40,430
Speaker 2: abuse yourself, right? And these are the questions where a

654
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:43,410
Speaker 2: lot of times if women don't have access to a

655
00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:46,590
Speaker 2: different way of thinking and the tools, their answer is, well,

656
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:48,610
Speaker 2: because I'm not worthy of it or because this is

657
00:30:48,650 --> 00:30:51,730
Speaker 2: just who I am, right? So they need to learn

658
00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:53,420
Speaker 2: how to take care of what I believe is like

659
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:54,940
Speaker 2: a three-dimensional approach to health.

660
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,860
Speaker 1: Most people are looking at it physiologically.

661
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,010
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, what if instead of it just

662
00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:00,209
Speaker 2: being a physical, what do I do?

663
00:31:00,250 --> 00:31:01,610
Speaker 1: What do I don't do? What do I eat? How

664
00:31:01,630 --> 00:31:03,860
Speaker 1: do I move conversation when we're talking about self-care?

665
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:05,910
Speaker 2: It's like, What if it starts at taking care of

666
00:31:05,950 --> 00:31:08,190
Speaker 2: my head, my heart, my brain, my self-image and my

667
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:11,410
Speaker 2: emotions and my spirit? And then from that place, I'm

668
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:13,380
Speaker 2: grounded every single day in that. And then I go

669
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: make decisions about how to move and what to put

670
00:31:15,220 --> 00:31:18,140
Speaker 2: in my body. Totally different conversation, right?

671
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,100
Speaker 1: And then self-worth.

672
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,940
Speaker 2: What are you weighing and what are you measuring? Is

673
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,430
Speaker 2: it the worldly measuring sticks? The external measuring sticks, what

674
00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:28,709
Speaker 2: you weigh, how much you did or didn't do, the

675
00:31:28,750 --> 00:31:32,150
Speaker 2: likes or follows on Facebook or Instagram or whatever, the

676
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: bank balance, the external quantifiables, the relationship status, you name it.

677
00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: No judgment. I've measured myself by all of that. But

678
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:41,850
Speaker 1: what would it look like to build an internal currency?

679
00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: So that you know how to align with who you

680
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: wanna be and the measuring sticks that you wanna actually

681
00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:49,940
Speaker 2: measure by that are also aligned with how God is measuring.

682
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,620
Speaker 2: And that's the part where if you ask women like, okay, well,

683
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:54,940
Speaker 2: what would an internal currency look like? They're like, I

684
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,220
Speaker 2: have no idea because it's in their blind spot. And

685
00:31:57,260 --> 00:32:03,380
Speaker 2: then the last ingredient, so we have self-acceptance, self-esteem, trusting yourself, self-care,

686
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,219
Speaker 2: taking care of yourself three-dimensionally, self-worth, what measuring sticks and

687
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: currency are you using to value yourself?

688
00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: And then the last one is what I call self-endorsement.

689
00:32:12,670 --> 00:32:15,710
Speaker 2: Which is, again, on a neuroscience level, we are wired

690
00:32:15,770 --> 00:32:17,540
Speaker 2: to care what other people think about us.

691
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:21,140
Speaker 1: That ACC, it's literally its job, right? To care what

692
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: other people think. Am I cool? Am I accepted? Do

693
00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: they like me?

694
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: So it's not possible to say, well, I don't care

695
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:27,620
Speaker 2: what anybody else thinks about me, or I'm just going

696
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: to pretend I don't care.

697
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,950
Speaker 1: Not possible. We care. We're humans.

698
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:33,690
Speaker 2: But what is possible is to care what we think

699
00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:35,730
Speaker 2: and what we say and what we believe ourselves to

700
00:32:35,770 --> 00:32:38,790
Speaker 2: be true about ourselves, even just a little bit more.

701
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Than what they say about us.

702
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: And that is how we receive what God says about us.

703
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:45,700
Speaker 1: It's a receivership.

704
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,150
Speaker 2: And again, In our blind spots, that's where I have

705
00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:50,450
Speaker 2: to teach this system of thinking to my clients for

706
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,980
Speaker 2: each of these five ingredients because we don't know what

707
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: we don't know.

708
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: And again, talk therapy isn't going to get us there.

709
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,820
Speaker 1: That lives in the past.

710
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,620
Speaker 2: And neither is just using scripture to renew our minds

711
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: when our subconscious self-image is saying, I'm not worthy.

712
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:04,940
Speaker 1: I don't trust myself. I don't even know how to

713
00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:06,530
Speaker 1: take care of myself. What's wrong with me?

714
00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:09,010
Speaker 2: Again, it's a big answer to the short question of

715
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:14,410
Speaker 2: what's the gap? I think it's five things. It's self-esteem, self-acceptance, self-care,

716
00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:18,489
Speaker 2: self-endorsement and self-worth because those are the blocks that are

717
00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: keeping you from receiving that worthiness that's available to you.

718
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,979
Speaker 3: Babe, so, so, so good and so helpful and so relatable.

719
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: I think part of the reason that this is hard

720
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: for people, for gals, the gal listening, right, is that

721
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,390
Speaker 3: she can relate to those blocks, but sitting in that

722
00:33:37,510 --> 00:33:41,750
Speaker 3: discomfort of, even like you said, I love suspending the disbelief.

723
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,020
Speaker 3: even sitting there and feeling those things and maybe bringing

724
00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:50,420
Speaker 3: them to your attention, to your awareness for the first.

725
00:33:50,180 --> 00:33:53,610
Speaker 1: Time is super uncomfortable, right?

726
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:56,430
Speaker 3: Sure. And so this is why we reach for the

727
00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:58,470
Speaker 3: food or the alcohol or whatever it is, the scrolling.

728
00:33:58,790 --> 00:34:01,950
Speaker 3: Can you just encourage the gal who's like, I can't

729
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:05,220
Speaker 3: even get there, Leanne, because the idea of sitting with

730
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:07,140
Speaker 3: that sounds completely overwhelming.

731
00:34:07,650 --> 00:34:08,890
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah.

732
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:12,230
Speaker 2: And give yourself compassion and grace because it is overwhelming

733
00:34:12,410 --> 00:34:14,430
Speaker 2: when you don't have the tools and when you have

734
00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:16,299
Speaker 2: the worldly view of how to get through this.

735
00:34:16,380 --> 00:34:16,620
Speaker 3: Right.

736
00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: So you're spot on. Like most of us have.

737
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:21,940
Speaker 2: Never learned how to feel our feelings and then be

738
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:24,939
Speaker 2: emotionally available to ourselves in those moments instead of turning

739
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:27,219
Speaker 2: to food, alcohol, Instagram, whatever. Right.

740
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,130
Speaker 1: And again, no judgment. Use them all. Right.

741
00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:31,710
Speaker 2: But so but then we learn like, oh, if I'm

742
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:34,110
Speaker 2: going to feel my feelings, it's going to be hard

743
00:34:34,150 --> 00:34:35,250
Speaker 2: because what I've learned.

744
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:36,630
Speaker 1: Is that means I have to go talk about them.

745
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:39,090
Speaker 1: I have to psychoanalyze them. I have to go spend

746
00:34:39,630 --> 00:34:40,890
Speaker 1: extra attention on them.

747
00:34:41,090 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: Right.

748
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,940
Speaker 1: And no, that's not actually what it is when you

749
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:44,860
Speaker 1: have the tools.

750
00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:47,739
Speaker 2: Again, this is where I talk about being able to

751
00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:52,050
Speaker 2: feel the suck of it, but without letting it make

752
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:52,650
Speaker 2: you spiral.

753
00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:55,270
Speaker 1: Right. So so I'll just give you the tale of

754
00:34:55,350 --> 00:34:56,210
Speaker 1: two different brains.

755
00:34:56,290 --> 00:35:00,270
Speaker 2: Right. Same circumstances, two totally different experiences, just to kind

756
00:35:00,310 --> 00:35:02,069
Speaker 2: of like give you a picture of this.

757
00:35:02,530 --> 00:35:05,150
Speaker 1: So we'll just use, you know, turning to alcohol.

758
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:07,029
Speaker 2: I said I wasn't going to drink and here I am,

759
00:35:07,180 --> 00:35:09,660
Speaker 2: two glasses of wine at 7 p.m., right?

760
00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: So the data is I just drank two.

761
00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:15,380
Speaker 2: Glasses of wine when I said I wasn't going to.

762
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: So brain number one, the drama is, oh my gosh, see,

763
00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:19,819
Speaker 2: this is what I do.

764
00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:22,350
Speaker 1: What's wrong with me? I'm a failure. No wonder I'm

765
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:24,430
Speaker 1: a bad mom, a bad wife. I can't do this.

766
00:35:24,469 --> 00:35:26,489
Speaker 2: What else am I going to break my promises on? Like, ugh,

767
00:35:27,010 --> 00:35:28,710
Speaker 2: insert fill in the blank, right?

768
00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:32,950
Speaker 1: The outcome. same two glasses of wine. It already happened.

769
00:35:33,370 --> 00:35:37,370
Speaker 2: But now I'm down this downward spiral of shame, woulda, shoulda, coulda.

770
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:39,940
Speaker 2: And I'm arguing with realities, being like, why is it

771
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: like this? Why did I do this? It takes us nowhere.

772
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: We add suffering on top of the suck. So not

773
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: only is it the suck of I just drank two

774
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: glasses of wine when I told myself I wasn't going to,

775
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:53,270
Speaker 2: And now we're adding suffering on top of the suffering.

776
00:35:53,350 --> 00:35:56,109
Speaker 1: We're suffering twice. Now let's go over here. We've got

777
00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:58,380
Speaker 1: the tools. We know how to feel the clean.

778
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: Pain of it and without letting it spiral and be

779
00:36:00,739 --> 00:36:03,700
Speaker 2: emotionally available to ourselves in those moments. So option number two,

780
00:36:03,739 --> 00:36:06,410
Speaker 2: same circumstance. I just drank two glasses of wine, even

781
00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:09,029
Speaker 2: though I said I wasn't going to. That's the data, right?

782
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,810
Speaker 1: Same brain, the drama. Oh, this shoulda, woulda, coulda. Nope,

783
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:15,010
Speaker 1: I bring myself back to the data. This is the data,

784
00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:16,930
Speaker 1: but the data sucks. What do I do with that?

785
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:18,450
Speaker 1: This is where I reconcile.

786
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I do not have to like that I just

787
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,500
Speaker 2: drank two glasses of wine. In fact, it makes me

788
00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: feel shame It makes me feel frustrated at myself. I

789
00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:29,609
Speaker 2: am a little bit mad at you, God, too, because

790
00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:31,750
Speaker 2: how could you have let me do this, right? We're

791
00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:34,410
Speaker 2: being human here. We're feeling our feelings, right? This is

792
00:36:34,450 --> 00:36:36,569
Speaker 2: the part most women skip over, by the way. The

793
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:39,220
Speaker 2: feeling of their feelings part. Just naming it for one second.

794
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: You do not have to sit in it. I'll get

795
00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:43,100
Speaker 2: to that in a second. But just calling it out

796
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:45,540
Speaker 2: versus bypassing it or being like, I'm just going to

797
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: think positive and tomorrow's.

798
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: A new day. Yeah, we're like gaslighting ourselves, right? So

799
00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: feel the suck of it. I feel mad. I feel sad.

800
00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:56,390
Speaker 1: I feel shame. I feel incognito dissonance. I'm pissed off.

801
00:36:56,430 --> 00:37:00,250
Speaker 1: I'm all the things, right? But it is what it is.

802
00:37:00,410 --> 00:37:02,610
Speaker 1: It already happened. I already drank it.

803
00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:05,810
Speaker 2: And the sooner I accept and acknowledge that this already happened,

804
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,330
Speaker 2: the sooner I can actually go do something about it

805
00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:10,190
Speaker 2: and act differently next time.

806
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:12,219
Speaker 1: But in the meantime... I refuse to.

807
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: Take myself down this emotional rabbit hole and spiral in shame.

808
00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:17,710
Speaker 2: I refuse to become a victim to my circumstances or

809
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:20,569
Speaker 2: a victim to these two glasses. Because when I do that,

810
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:23,950
Speaker 2: when I argue with reality, I add suffering on top

811
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:26,250
Speaker 2: of the suck and I refuse to do that any longer.

812
00:37:26,969 --> 00:37:29,210
Speaker 2: Do you see how I'm not papering over the suck

813
00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:31,820
Speaker 2: of it? I'm not pretending I'm not feeling a certain way.

814
00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:34,140
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not trying to rush to It's All Roses

815
00:37:34,180 --> 00:37:34,780
Speaker 1: and Butterflies.

816
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,339
Speaker 2: So they talk about in therapy, and this is one

817
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: term I think is very useful, but like clean pain

818
00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:43,900
Speaker 2: versus dirty pain, right? So like the dirty shame is

819
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 2: like the toxic shame.

820
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:48,060
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? All of that versus clean shame

821
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:48,859
Speaker 1: is like, you know what?

822
00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: I just showed up as a version of myself that

823
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,069
Speaker 2: is not who I want to be.

824
00:37:52,090 --> 00:37:54,470
Speaker 1: And I'm going to actually go learn the lesson from that.

825
00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:57,629
Speaker 2: But most people don't ever learn the lesson from their

826
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:59,770
Speaker 2: shame because they're so busy going down.

827
00:37:59,650 --> 00:38:01,850
Speaker 1: The toxicity route of the toxic shame, right?

828
00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:07,410
Speaker 2: So again, two same glasses of wine, two completely different experiences, right?

829
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: And so this is what's renewing your mind, like literally

830
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,340
Speaker 2: teaching your brain to think differently.

831
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%. And we call it in the community, it's

832
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:16,580
Speaker 3: a growth point, right?

833
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, what did you learn? Let's move on.

834
00:38:19,780 --> 00:38:21,620
Speaker 3: What did the data teach you? How did it really

835
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,110
Speaker 3: make you feel? What did you want from that glass

836
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:24,469
Speaker 3: of wine?

837
00:38:24,610 --> 00:38:25,549
Speaker 1: Did it give it to you?

838
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:28,540
Speaker 3: Most of the time, the answer is No, it didn't. OK,

839
00:38:28,820 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: how can you choose the healthier thing the next time? Right.

840
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: And so it's using those things and therefore moving forward,

841
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,410
Speaker 3: which sounds totally counterintuitive, that you can still be having

842
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:44,740
Speaker 3: these growth points. And moving forward if you're learning because

843
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,819
Speaker 3: you are rewiring. Yeah. Sure, sure.

844
00:38:47,860 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: But that is a thousand percent spot on.

845
00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:52,660
Speaker 2: And that place of like, what would be a healthier

846
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:55,580
Speaker 2: way is the part where the subconscious beliefs will undermine

847
00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: you until you address them. Cause it's like, then it becomes, well, great.

848
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,620
Speaker 2: I know what I should be doing and I'm still

849
00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:00,230
Speaker 2: not doing it.

850
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,170
Speaker 1: Right. So there's more in there.

851
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:04,950
Speaker 2: And that's where the identity and self-image has to come

852
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:07,330
Speaker 2: in with the anchoring of new patterns.

853
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:08,430
Speaker 1: You know, it's gotta be both.

854
00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:08,910
Speaker 3: Yeah.

855
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:09,550
Speaker 1: A hundred percent.

856
00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:12,259
Speaker 3: And I feel like that is why, For me, it

857
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: was so helpful, like for the first time I read

858
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,660
Speaker 3: the Bible cover to cover while doing the, you know,

859
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,899
Speaker 3: deep sobriety work that I was doing for that identity piece. Right.

860
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:24,750
Speaker 3: And really actually figuring out who God said I was,

861
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:27,629
Speaker 3: not who my pastor in when I was in middle

862
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:30,299
Speaker 3: school said I was, which was two very different things. things.

863
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,940
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, we all have that picture that

864
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: got painted for us.

865
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:38,859
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So my beautiful friend, tell the gals where

866
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,509
Speaker 3: they can find you learn more about your work, all

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Speaker 3: of the things and we'll link it in the notes.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: If you want to peel back the curtain and just

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Speaker 2: see the system of thinking that I teach my clients

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Speaker 2: to unwire and rewire the disorder and replace it with

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Speaker 2: a system of thinking that actually sets them free. But

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Speaker 2: without using words like macros and low carbs and calorie burn,

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Speaker 2: really getting into the heart of the science of it

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Speaker 2: and all of what we talked about on this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Head on over to stresslesseating.com.

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Speaker 2: And I've literally peeled back the curtain and given you

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Speaker 2: guys a sneak preview of the system I teach my clients.

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Speaker 2: So stresslesseating.com is the best, easiest, fastest way to find

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Speaker 2: out more.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: This was such a beautiful conversation.

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Speaker 3: I know what will encourage so, so many gals and

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Speaker 3: can't wait to have you back and chat again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. It was awesome.

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Speaker 3: All right, gals, we will see you next week. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for spending this time with me on Love Live Sober.

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Speaker 3: If today's conversation stirred something in your heart, don't rush

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Speaker 3: past it.

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Speaker 1: Take it to prayer.

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Speaker 3: If you're feeling ready for deeper connection and support, I'd

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Speaker 3: love to invite you into the Love Life Sober community,

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Speaker 3: a grace-filled, shame-free space where real connection grows and lasting

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Speaker 3: change takes root. You can find the link to join

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Speaker 3: us in the show notes. Love Life Sober is part

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Speaker 3: of the Life Audio Podcast Network, where faith-centered podcasts help

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Speaker 3: you grow deeper in your walk with Christ. You can

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Speaker 3: find more faith-centered podcasts at lifeaudio.com. Until next time, be

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Speaker 3: gentle with yourself, stay curious, and trust God's promises. He

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Speaker 3: has freedom waiting for you.