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Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of

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Speaker 2: Are up to Genesis nineteen, my friends, Now, let me

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Speaker 2: tell you something. Those of you are going to stick

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Speaker 2: through the through the whole book and hopefully the whole

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Speaker 2: Torah with me. I didn't write the Torah ergo, I

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Speaker 2: cannot predict to you always when the most spectacularly exciting

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Speaker 2: points rise. The real challenge to me is not in Genesis.

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Speaker 2: Wait till Leviticus, and you know, you take a turtle,

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Speaker 2: dove and two pigeons, and you know, and a bullock

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Speaker 2: of three weeks old and so on. But that's going

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Speaker 2: to be the challenge. I think that there's profundity all over.

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Speaker 2: But understand some some chat are richer than others, obviously,

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Speaker 2: and so that's just part of the way it goes.

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Speaker 2: That's by way of saying that nineteen is not as

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Speaker 2: rich as eighteen plus. So we just we would simply

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Speaker 2: go faster in it, and let's see what we go to. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you know what we have just done. We have

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Speaker 2: just had Abraham arguing on behalf of Sudoman Gomorrah. Those

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Speaker 2: of you who were with me, recall that he made

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Speaker 2: two arguments to God, and God ignored the one on justice.

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Speaker 2: It was the one on compassion, because on justice alone,

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Speaker 2: they deserve to be destroyed. On justice alone, the world

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Speaker 2: may deserve to be destroyed. I mean, if God, if

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Speaker 2: you were God now and look down and saw Bosnia,

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Speaker 2: and saw Somalia, and saw the torture chambers of Iraq,

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Speaker 2: you might conclude on justice alone that I could do

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Speaker 2: a lot of honest destroying. There was so much evil

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Speaker 2: taking place. So it is compassion that ultimately animates God

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Speaker 2: to respond, because that's the more effective effective argument that

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Speaker 2: Abraham raises. Okay, the two angels arrived in Siddame. Who

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Speaker 2: are they arriving for? Everybody? Recall who's in Sidame that

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Speaker 2: they want to save? Okay, lote or a lot in English? Okay,

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Speaker 2: I call him loathe. The two angels arrived in Sidame

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Speaker 2: in the evening as Loate was sitting in the gate

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Speaker 2: of Sidome. Okay, now here are some thoughts already on

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Speaker 2: this thing. Why did they come in the evening? Because

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Speaker 2: the place is so rotten. If they came in the day,

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Speaker 2: they'd have been killed. Okay, that is if you give

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Speaker 2: you an idea. Remember I told you, when we study this,

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Speaker 2: always ask why does it say that? It could have

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Speaker 2: just said and the angels came. Why does it tell

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Speaker 2: you in the evening? Because anybody who showed up in

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Speaker 2: Sidome during the day had a very poor reception, so

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Speaker 2: they came at night. This was a very bad place.

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Speaker 2: God doesn't destroy mediocre places. Okay. They weren't just mediocre,

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Speaker 2: they were evil. And Load is sitting there, And why

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Speaker 2: is he sitting at the at the gate? Probably because

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Speaker 2: Abraham had told him to expect visitors. Now the question

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Speaker 2: is what does Loat know? Remember I went through this

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Speaker 2: with you. What did Abraham know? Remember Abraham is sitting

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Speaker 2: him kekom hayom and during the heat of the day.

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Speaker 2: It tells when they came to him, and it tells

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Speaker 2: when they came to Load. They came in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the day. And he's sitting out there and welcomes

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Speaker 2: them in and so on. But it's said there when

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Speaker 2: he looked up Abraham, he saw Amashim, he saw people

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Speaker 2: men here it's the two angels or messengers went to Sidame. Now,

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Speaker 2: why does that mean? Does it mean that if they'd

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Speaker 2: they're the same, they're the same creatures. Why doesn't it

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Speaker 2: say and the men came to Loat at the gate,

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Speaker 2: just as in the men came to Abraham at the tent.

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Speaker 2: I can argue a number of things. One obvious one

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Speaker 2: a fascinating mirror image. Especially if you were with me

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Speaker 2: or heard the tape on Noah, you will find Loath

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Speaker 2: Noah here is it describes him as a good man

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Speaker 2: in his generations, in other words, in a miserable time.

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Speaker 2: That's the implication he was okay, And we don't hear

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Speaker 2: but not right now. We know why Abraham is good.

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Speaker 2: We don't know why Loat is good. We don't even

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Speaker 2: we'll find out now. He therefore might not have treated

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Speaker 2: We don't know. But they had to come as angels

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Speaker 2: may be nothing to be read into this. I hope

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Speaker 2: that is a possibility, because we don't know for sure

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Speaker 2: and Hebrew for joy, pride, and glory. Abraham did not

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Speaker 2: walk around saying that's my nephew. That's really a quality

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Speaker 2: sort of guy. Anyway, And and the Torah goes out

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Speaker 2: and he absolutely bows down to the down to the ground.

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Speaker 2: And he says so again, the implication is he knows

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Speaker 2: that they're angels because they came as angels. I said,

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Speaker 2: I may be wrong, but the implications are pretty strong. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he says, we're on verse verse two, please my Lord's

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Speaker 2: turn aside to your servant's house. Turn aside suru in

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Speaker 2: Hebrew means go circuitously. In other words, it's again an

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Speaker 2: implication of what a place sid Doome was. If you

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Speaker 2: walk directly to my house, forget it. You gotta take

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Speaker 2: a a you know, you got to go this way,

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Speaker 2: a sideway route in order to get to my house. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's one of those subtleties that that you that you

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Speaker 2: That's very important. Does it say it? You have it?

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Speaker 2: I'll take care of you and then and then you'll go. Now,

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Speaker 2: up early before they know I've been nice to you.

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Speaker 2: You see how what I mean. It's tough to know,

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Speaker 2: because if they're angels, his behavior is why would he

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Speaker 2: kick them out? Maybe they appear as people to Sidome,

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Speaker 2: he knows their angels it's a little complex, but his

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Speaker 2: with the people of Siddam. They'll hurt you. And they say, no, well,

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Speaker 2: And here is a credit to him. Here is where

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Speaker 2: He really begged them. They he could have gotten, you know,

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Speaker 2: helping Jews in World War Two. And the Jews say,

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Speaker 2: modern Hebrew, a party, Michteza party. It's difficult to imagine

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Speaker 2: he going to invite? You know, for parties usually have guests.

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Speaker 2: So uh and umtsot here is the first time we

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Speaker 2: see in the Tara matza. This is this is a

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Speaker 2: pre exodus note. And what what is the beauty? What

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Speaker 2: had a Bible is where did matsys turn up before Egypt?

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Speaker 2: You now know that chef Lote made it made them

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Speaker 2: do you do you have it that? It says men twice?

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Speaker 2: Here it says when the townspeople, the men do you

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Speaker 2: should be should be more accurate. It has onhee twice

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Speaker 2: the same Hebrew word the men of the city, the

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Speaker 2: men of Sidome. Why these were the leaders? Imagined? Then

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Speaker 2: wonder why did God destroy Sidome? And here you just

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Speaker 2: or he would have left Sidome. Good people leave evil places,

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Speaker 2: there is a time, and it's a very important thing.

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Speaker 2: It's a point we'll touch today or another time. What

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Speaker 2: you fight and you fight. But there is a time.

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Speaker 2: In Hebrew there is a statement makomshe ain't ish well

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Speaker 2: children doing bad things, then old people. You know that

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Speaker 2: American crime rates are entirely dependent upon the number of

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Speaker 2: lower the violence. The higher their number, the higher the violence.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly not dependent upon the elderly. Point that I

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Speaker 2: make frequently. If you see graffiti on spray painted on

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Speaker 2: But they said stand back, and and before I go on,

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Speaker 2: Look at what appeals to them. These guys value virginity,

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Speaker 2: And this is the part of me that argues with

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Speaker 2: will deal worse with you than with them. Now, who

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Speaker 2: are they talking about, Loat? Exactly? What's with you? The

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Speaker 2: Verse eleven. And the people who were at the entrance

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Speaker 2: If they were made blind, they would have still been

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Speaker 2: part of the angels. Who can do that sort of thing?

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Speaker 2: Number twelve. Then the men said to Lote, who else

427
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: do you have here? Sons in law, your son and daughters,

428
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: or anyone else that you have in the city. Bring

429
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: them out of the place. Who are the men here?

430
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: The angels? Right, So the angels say, who else do

431
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: you have here? We want to save your whole family,

432
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: So you tell us who you have, all right? Now,

433
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: as I made a point here, the angels ask even

434
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: though they certainly knew the answer. Angels no answers, But

435
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: God always asks the question, and this helps answer your question.

436
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: God knows. God doesn't need our anything. He doesn't even

437
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: need our answers. When God says to Adam in the

438
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: garden of Eden, where are you? It's not because God

439
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: can't find Adam. It's a question for us to answer.

440
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: When God asks Cain, where is your brother? God doesn't

441
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: know where Abel is. It's to get the answer. So

442
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: what is the answer. What is the answer that is

443
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: being sought here? Basic lee, whom do you want to save?

444
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: It's to have Loath open up and answer the question

445
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: who do you want to save? Because God knows the

446
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: angels know who his relatives are. By the way, to

447
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: give you an idea of how low on the totem

448
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: pole women were. Look at who's placed first? Sons in law?

449
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: I mean, is that that's inconceivable today? You'd say your

450
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: children and their spouses. Right if somebody'd ask you, who

451
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: are you going to say? Oh, well, my sons, and

452
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: you might say sons and daughters. Okay, well acknowledge that,

453
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: But you'd sort of say, oh, and their husbands and

454
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Speaker 2: wives or their wives and husbands. But who would ever

455
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: say my sons in law? And then who's second my sons? Now,

456
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: why are my sons in law even more valuable if

457
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: this is true that the order shows value because they're

458
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: married to my daughters and they have built owns. So

459
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: that's more valuable even than my bloodline of my sons,

460
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: my sons in law, my son, Oh yeah, my daughters.

461
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean it almost sounds you know, the ones I

462
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: wanted to give to the to the mob. By the way,

463
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: you will die. You will just if you don't know Genesis,

464
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: you will die when you see the the hold on.

465
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: When you will see the way the Bible has tit

466
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Speaker 2: for tack all through Genesis. If you hang around, you

467
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: will see the most amazing belief in recompense for deeds

468
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Speaker 2: in Hebrew. It's the best me doc. Can I give

469
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: me doe measure for measure? That thank you, that's right,

470
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Speaker 2: measure for measure. He gets paid Backload for offering his

471
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: daughter to the men. Boy does he? He gets screwed,

472
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: as you will see by them. That's the unbelievable denuma

473
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: of the story with Load and his daughters. Anyway, let's

474
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Speaker 2: see what are we up to? Thirteen? Oh, David Walby,

475
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Speaker 2: whom I go over these? Rabbi Walby, I know many who,

476
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Speaker 2: being familiar with made a point here there were moments

477
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Speaker 2: in life when each of us has to decide whom

478
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: to leave behind and whom to take with us. And

479
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: it's true, isn't it. Who do you carry on in life?

480
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: When you move on, who do you take with you?

481
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: And in that sense it's somewhat of a homiletic, but

482
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was a good point. That's what really

483
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: he's being asked load by the angels. We're at thirteen

484
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: for we, Oh, that's interesting. Excuse me. It's not low

485
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: who said sons in law first. It's the angels. It's

486
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: just it's really totally societally given. Even the angels put

487
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Speaker 2: the sons in law first, for we are about to

488
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: destroy this place because the outcry against them. Good, let's

489
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Speaker 2: cut tom because their outcry against is been heard by

490
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: God and God has sent us to destroy it. I again,

491
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Speaker 2: I I just I have to say to you, we

492
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: don't have a conclusive answer unless any of you can

493
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Speaker 2: show me evidence from the text as to when, at

494
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: what point loke knew they were angels? Is it from

495
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: the beginning. If it's from the beginning, you would you

496
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: would think he would known about the destruction. I don't

497
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,519
Speaker 2: know the I don't know that answer. I'm just saying

498
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: it's an interesting question. At what point did he know?

499
00:34:15,279 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: It might have been from the beginning, but you were

500
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Speaker 2: not certain because of the information given here, which he

501
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: would have assumed he would have had earlier. Maybe he did,

502
00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: maybe at it from Abraham. Anyway, fourteen and a lot

503
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: went out, and he spoke, and he spoke to his

504
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: sons in law. Now here is the takers of his daughters.

505
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: This is a tough one. This is very tough. First

506
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: of all, it's again the emphasis on the sons in law.

507
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: You notice right now, it's a very odd construction. First

508
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: of all, who I thought his daughters never knew a man? Right?

509
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: I mean, this doesn't say much for the sons in law.

510
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: Presumably there are other daughters. I'm saying, presumably maybe he

511
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: lied about his daughter. They could have been betrothed, so

512
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: that's right. In other words, they could have been the

513
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: same daughters. You're considered a son in law in betrothal,

514
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: and so that could be the thing so everybody's on

515
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: the up and up here, or it could have been

516
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: other daughters. It probably is betrothal. It's right to the point.

517
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: Because I try not to interrupt you. I see that's interesting.

518
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: What translation is that? Where to be taken or where

519
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: to take? I think, yeah, well, it's well, the actual

520
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: literal Hebrew is the takers of the daughters, which is

521
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: not a genteel way of speaking about the sons in law.

522
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: That is not how the Torah describes men marrying women. Okay,

523
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: I just want you to know there is an implication here.

524
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: The implication is that he is probably right on betrothal.

525
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: But what is interesting is they did not leave with him.

526
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Speaker 2: I think what the Torah is saying here is they

527
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Speaker 2: were the takers of the daughters, but they didn't really

528
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Speaker 2: love them or bond with them. They just had taken

529
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: them because they didn't go with the family. Okay, I

530
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: think that it goes out of its way to describe

531
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Speaker 2: a non familial, somewhat animalistic almost relationship to the daughters

532
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: as the takers of the daughters. What kind of sons

533
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 2: in law? They daughter takers? But once there's family trouble,

534
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: they don't go on, as you will see, he says

535
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: to them, Lot says to them, come get out of

536
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: this place, because God is destroying this place, is going

537
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: to destroy it. And he appeared as a joker, as

538
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 2: a laugher in the eyes of his sons in law.

539
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: Isn't that something? By the way, the same word is

540
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: used mitzahrenk as how Sarah reacted when the news about

541
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: Isaac came. And Isaac in Hebrew is laugh. So there's

542
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: a play on this word throughout these chapters here. But anyway,

543
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: they didn't go with him. The sons in laws were

544
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: not terribly attached to the family, and they did not leave,

545
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: and he appeared to be a joker in their eyes. Now,

546
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: by the way, that too is interesting. If Load had

547
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: had a reputation as a god fearing man in his

548
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: family and among others, he probably wouldn't have appeared as

549
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: a joker. Isn't that interesting? Do you agree that that's possible?

550
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, If a guy who seems like you,

551
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: all of a sudden turns god fearing, he seems like

552
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: a joker. If the guy had had a reputation as

553
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: being in touch with the Holy and the moral. I

554
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: think he would have appeared to have been a joker

555
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: to them. Is that a fair eating to you? Again?

556
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: I am trying to understand the character of Loath from

557
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: by inference, since it's never directly spelled out anyway, The

558
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: sons in laws don't leave verse fifteen, and at about dawn,

559
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: the the angels urged strongly on Loat, saying get up now.

560
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: By the way, notice how many commands and active verbs

561
00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 2: are here on doing things to Loat. Loat doesn't really

562
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: want to leave either. No wonder he appeared as a

563
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: joker to his sons in law. He probably himself wasn't

564
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: thoroughly convinced of it, because if he were, why would

565
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 2: the angels have to urge him? He would have said,

566
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: let me get out of here as soon as possible.

567
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: He didn't. Look at what happens in fifteen, the angels

568
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: urge Loat, saying, get up, take your wife, and your

569
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: two daughters are who are found here, And that, by implication,

570
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: might mean it wasn't betrue that there were two other

571
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: daughters married. We don't know, because it says the daughters

572
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: who were here? Is that correct? You have that in

573
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: your two remaining daughters even it's so right. Well, that's

574
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: in other words, the sons in law kept their wives

575
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 2: his other two daughters. So that would appear to say

576
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: that we don't have the betrothal issue. Lest you be

577
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: destroyed in the sin of the city. This is a

578
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: very important philosophical moral point. Lest you be destroyed in

579
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: the sin of the city, you will have that iniquity

580
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: or sin of the city. What would the more logical

581
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: thing be lest you be destroyed when the punishment of

582
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: the city, right, isn't that interesting? The point here is this,

583
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Speaker 2: if you do bad and you suffer for it, it's

584
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: the punishment. It's the sin, excuse me, that has caused

585
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: your suffering, not the punisher or the punishment. That's very important.

586
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: You have brought this on to yourself. Don't say the

587
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: one who's punishing you has brought upon the destruction. Your

588
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: sin has brought upon the destruction. I can't think of

589
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: a more important thing to be said in America today,

590
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: where people walk around desiring to believe that whatever happens

591
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: to them, they have no responsibility for whatever I do.

592
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: I am the victim of the outside force, including I

593
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: have murdered or raped and I'm in prison, and I'm

594
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: angry at society for its punishing me. Even to that point,

595
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: interviews with criminals show a great deal of anger at

596
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: being punished. You are punished for your sin. Your sin

597
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: is what has punished you, so lest you be destroyed

598
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: in the sin of the city. It's a very It's

599
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: one of those critical little moments. Now, just in case

600
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: you missed the point about what kind of guiload is

601
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: and why the sons in law would have laughed at him,

602
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: Look at the verse sixteen, and he dawdled. They've urged him.

603
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 2: They're angels of God. He saw them. He saw them

604
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: smite all these people with blinding light, and he's still dawdles.

605
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: By the way, in Hebrew, in almost all versions of

606
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: the Hebrew Torah, there are musical notes on every word,

607
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: cantillation notes, trope as it's called. And it is a

608
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: lot of non Jews don't know this. Jews in synagogue

609
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: do not read the Torah. They sing the Torah, but

610
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: you don't sing it according to the way you want.

611
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: We have ancient musical notations under every word, and they

612
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: are immensely helpful in understanding the text. Because the Torah

613
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: text has no periods, no punctuation, so no commas, no

614
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: question marks, no exclamation points. The only way we know

615
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: where to stop and where to start and where to

616
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: hesitate is through the trope, the musical cantillation. There is

617
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: a very rare musical note in the trope. It's called

618
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: shal shellet, and it's found over the word in Hebrew

619
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: he dawdled or delayed. It's vait mama. That's the word,

620
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: and this is the way the word is sung, vayt ma.

621
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Speaker 2: It's almost like the writers of the cantillation had a

622
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: sense of humor to make sure you know how much

623
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Speaker 2: he dawdled. They have the longest musical note in the

624
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: entire trope on top of that word. There's another time

625
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: you have it, by the way, when the wife of

626
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: Potifar wants to seduce Joseph and Joseph declines, but his

627
00:43:52,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: decline gets a shelf shell it. He declined, naha soo fast.

628
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating little thing which you know most people

629
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: don't obviously wouldn't be able to pick up on. But

630
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: it's right over the word he really dawdled. That's the point.

631
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Speaker 2: And now number time number three where they are pushing

632
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: him via harazikuhannashibia do. And they grabbed, strongly grabbed the men,

633
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: the angels, his hand, and the hand of his wife,

634
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: and the hand of the of the two daughters. Now

635
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: Here is the giveaway on why I'm unimpressed with Lot

636
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: berchem laa denia love because God felt pity for him.

637
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: God didn't save Noah out of pity. God to saved

638
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: Noah because he deserved it. Lot got saved because God

639
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: had pity on him. This is a loser.

640
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: He is.

641
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: He's a loser, not evil like the rest of the

642
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: Sadon people, but he's a loser. And God just felt

643
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: sorry for him. And you get an idea what a

644
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: loser he is. God's about to destroy everything around him.

645
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: And the guy dawdles and they so far we have

646
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: And they urged him and they told him get up,

647
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: and they told him take that's three he dawdled. Four, five,

648
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: they grab his hand. Six were still in verse sixteen

649
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: y yo toe you who? And they took him out

650
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: seven vay yanni who who? And they placed him down.

651
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: It's almost as if they took him like this, carried

652
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: him out and put him outside of the city. The

653
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: Hebrew word is hilarious bay Yanni who who? You never

654
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: have it with people, And it's like you place an

655
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 2: object it's and they placed him down. He I mean,

656
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: the man didn't want to leave. He didn't want to

657
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: leave Sidome. It's and it's about to be destroyed. And

658
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: he sees angels doing miracles. This is not impressive. However,

659
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: never ever, think that there's no loat in us. Every

660
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: one of us has loat in us. Who wants to

661
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 2: leave even miserable circumstances. This is This is a very

662
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: very important point I want to speak about for a moment.

663
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: Many Jews wonder why did the Jews of Germany not

664
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: leave in nineteen thirty three when Hitler was elected, or

665
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 2: in thirty four, or in thirty five, or in thirty six,

666
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: and they could have left, Why didn't they? Why didn't

667
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: they leave? I mean, is Germany under Hitler not Sadome.

668
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm talking even pre Auschwitz. It's not Sidome. When you

669
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: have Nazis running your society. Why didn't those Jews leave?

670
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: For the great majority of them, they're not all losers

671
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 2: like Lote, but my friends, we all have that part

672
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: in US. Why don't women leave abusive husbands not in

673
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: sidame when they go when their husband's drunk or sometimes

674
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be drunk. That's what I mean by

675
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: this stuff is a teacher. If you just laugh at

676
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: low and he's laughable, the point is lost. Do you

677
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: leave bad situations all the time? Got to be very

678
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: strong to leave a bad situation, truly bad marriage, a

679
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: truly bad home, truly bad parents, truly bad community, truly

680
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: bad work environment. How much do you tolerate of garbage

681
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 2: in your life? Really bad stuff? I mean, we all

682
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: have nuisances. I'm not talking nuisance, I'm talking bad stuff.

683
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: I mean it's one of the two men. Being male.

684
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 2: It has always been a puzzle to me. I would

685
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: want my daughter to leave the day one slap occurred.

686
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: That's it. Not two slaps one, not one punch, one slap, bye, goodbye.

687
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I am puzzled that women stay for the

688
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 2: next beating. I'm not blaming them. I'm merely telling you

689
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: the loat the loatness that pervades all our lives, or

690
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: many of our lives. That's why this is such a

691
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: powerful thing. Who doesn't dawdle, Who doesn't do what Loat's

692
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: wife will finally do and look back. It's very hard

693
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: to look forward in life, very hard. And that's why

694
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: this story is so powerful. It's not just to tell

695
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: you about Loat, who cares about Loat, but the idea

696
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 2: of dawdling when there is a better future in front

697
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: of you and you're hanging around with crap, that's universal.

698
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: That's the power of this story, and that's why it

699
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: goes out of its way to tell you how he

700
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: had to be lifted up and placed outside the city.

701
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: That's why it's so it's such a great story. Seven

702
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: times you told this in two in three and two

703
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: or three verses. So God felt sorry for him, and

704
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: that's the only reason he saved. He doesn't deserve to

705
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: be saved. That's the implication here seventeen and so it

706
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: was when they were taken outside, he said, presumably the angel,

707
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: one of the angels, flee for your life. And here

708
00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: is such an interesting thing. The Hebrew for flee is

709
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: the same root as lot. The word here is himaleth

710
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 2: loath himaleth. And there's no question that there is a relationship.

711
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: To give you an idea that perhaps like Adam. The

712
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: question is not whether or not Loat existed. To me,

713
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: that question about the Bible is an unsophisticated question. Did

714
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: Adam really exist in the Garden of Eden is an

715
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: unimportant question. Did Loat really exist is unimportant. Did Romeo

716
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 2: and Juliet exist? They didn't exist. Do you not learn

717
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: from Hamlet? Does it matter if there was or wasn't.

718
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: Does it matter if King Richard was exactly like that

719
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: or not? When you read it, Load is paradigmatic of

720
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: the one who did flee or didn't flee. We have

721
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: to read into Load what we do. I believe Load existed,

722
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: but so he didn't. So some biblical scholari proved to

723
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: me there was no Load. So does it make the

724
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: story less important? Adam means earth? Eve hm, well, but

725
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: it's really from Adamah, okay, I will it's really but

726
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: it's really more from earth because he was created from earth,

727
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: not from blood. And Eve means life. So life and

728
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: earth got together. Now tell me that is in the

729
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: way of saying to you folks, they're paradigms. You know paradigms,

730
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: Are you know archetypes that really helped? I'm sure for

731
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: those Sometimes I laugh at myself when I do that,

732
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure anyone who has no paradigm archetype that'll do it.

733
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: But anyway that that's the sort of that's the that's

734
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: the idea conveyed. Whether or not mister and ms Adam

735
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: and Eve as such existed, isn't the key any more

736
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: than lowed And so I believe that this play on

737
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: words tells you something to that effect. Flee for your

738
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: life and don't look behind you verse seventeen, And don't

739
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: stand in all of this of the square. What does

740
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: kikar hear? What do you have? Plane? Okay, in the

741
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: plane right to the mountain. You should flee lest you

742
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: are destroyed. How many times now are they giving him directions?

743
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: I mean, is this incredible? Now? This is the ultimate

744
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: if you were low, even if you were lowd or

745
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: I were load, at this point, I get the message

746
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: and move rapidly. Okay, not him. Listen to this and

747
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: this I want you to know. You know, I was

748
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: telling my wife today. When I prepare this stuff, I

749
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: work on every sentence. I have like eight books around me.

750
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: I call up scholars to check on points. I really

751
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: do a lot of work in preparation and by the way,

752
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: I love it. But sometimes, after all the work I

753
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: will do, I will finally realize I have no answer.

754
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: This is what happened when I'm prepared the next couple

755
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: of It is so bizarre. What Load, then does I

756
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: still don't know why. To this minute, I cannot tell

757
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: you the answer. The most logical thing in the world is.

758
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: He goes, Okay, thank you, goodbye? And what does he do?

759
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: All right? Maybe you can help me out eighteen and

760
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: Load says to them, No, my lords, No, my lords.

761
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 2: They've saved his life. They've lifted him up, they perform miracles. Goes, No,

762
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: now listen to this, he goes. If if I have

763
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: found favor in your eyes, I'm sure big favor in

764
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: their eyes. You know, he's a real impressive guy. Anyway,

765
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: whatever it is you, Oh no, well you have been

766
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: so gracious to your servant, or he's showed me so

767
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: much kindness in order to save my life.

768
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 4: But I cannot flee to the hills now that cracked

769
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 4: me up. Lest the disaster overtake me and I die.

770
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 4: Look that town there is near enough to flee to.

771
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 4: It's such a little place. Let me flee there. It's

772
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 4: such a little place and let my life be saved.

773
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: Huh. Now do you understand how bizarre this is. I

774
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 2: have analyzed this to death, and I have no answer

775
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: until finally, finally, I read one scholar who said he

776
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: was bumbling. He was a bumbling idiot at this time,

777
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to figure out the words of a

778
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: bumbling idiot, and that's would you believe it? That's well,

779
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: one of the biggest scholars on Genesis finally concludes, it

780
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: makes no sense a place is being destroyed, so you

781
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: don't go to the upper hills. You go to a

782
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: lower city that's nearer to the place. Maybe he doesn't

783
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: feel deserving, so well, that's very it's a beautiful psychological

784
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: interpret In other words, he had a death wish. Okay,

785
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 2: that's possible. That's possible. But the presumption is he wanted

786
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: to live and live in the city. Mind you, what

787
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: makes this thing even more bizarre is the city is

788
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 2: a bad city. The city was also scheduled. Huh, that's

789
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: the point exactly. He's in shock. So in other words,

790
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: what we're getting here is to get is the sort

791
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: of thing that makes me think we really have authentic

792
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 2: texts because it's not every word of the Torah is pristine,

793
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: pure ethical and religious insight. It's sometimes the words of

794
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 2: utterly confused human beings, and there is nothing to be

795
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: learned except that it's an accurate story. We'll see in

796
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: a moment he says, maybe he wants to save the

797
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: people of that city, since he never tried to save

798
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: anybody in Sidome, his track record is pretty poor. It's

799
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: a lovely interpretation. I like the death wish frankly a

800
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: little better. Yes, huh faces it with denial, and Abraham

801
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: faced it with confrontation. You're absolutely right. In fact, one

802
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: of the notes I have to say to you at

803
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: the end of the chapter, but I'll tell you now,

804
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: is all of this does another thing. It is an

805
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 2: attempt to have you appreciate the greatness of Abraham. Abraham

806
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: is the hero of our story. Load is a sidebar. Okay,

807
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 2: remember that. So your point is one hundred percent correct

808
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: in my opinion. Yes, yeah, right. That is interesting that

809
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: she says Abraham. I'll be in a minute. Abraham was

810
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: in the mountains, and maybe he didn't want to go

811
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: to Abraham. That is exactly what the mid Rush says.

812
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: You know what mid Rush is the mid Rush is

813
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: very early, talking about fifteen hundred to two thousand years

814
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: ago Rabbinic stories on the Bible. But they're not just stories.

815
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: They're stories to teach ideas. And that's what they held,

816
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: that it was too painful to be in the presence

817
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: of Abraham, and so he wouldn't want to go there.

818
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: He'd be shown up, as it were. Trouble is, that's

819
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: not where Abraham was. I checked that out. Other than

820
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 2: that it was a great idea, but from the best

821
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: of our knowledge, that's not a The mountains to which

822
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: they pointed, apparently, are the mountains across the Dead Sea.

823
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: Any of you been to the Dead Sea from the

824
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: Israeli side, what do U see across mountains? Those are

825
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: the mountains of Moav, they're called that's where he was

826
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: supposed to flee. But Abraham is not in the mountains

827
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: of Moov. Okay, so I don't know. I mean, it's good,

828
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 2: it's a good thought. Yes, God is he right? He's

829
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: saying here. I keep saying. Look, the guy is shown

830
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: miracles and it has no effect. This is a point

831
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: for a longer time, but that point is a critical one.

832
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: I bet most of you feel that if God just

833
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: showed you one miracle, you'd be an absolute, firm believer

834
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: for the rest of your days on this earth. And

835
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 2: I want to tell you that zero would change. You'd

836
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: be impressed for about a day, and by next week

837
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: you would be back to watching television news. I am.

838
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: I am as convinced of it as one could be

839
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: of anything. Do you know it's absolutely raw, brand new

840
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: thinking on my part. And if any of you heard

841
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: my show last night on KBC, you got a sense

842
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: of it.

843
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

844
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.

845
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Speaker 2: I had the subject. I started off with the subject

846
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: of why do so many couples a vast proportion of

847
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: couples who lose a child break up? And I offered

848
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: some thoughts, and couples who had lost children, or at

849
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: least parents who had lost children called the show and

850
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: it was absolutely riveting for me and extremely instructional. And

851
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: I concluded something last night that has had a deep

852
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: impact on me in the last day because I only

853
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: concluded it last night, but it really it coincided with

854
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: stuff that I had thought but never drew The conclusion.

855
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: You all have that right, and you get all this data,

856
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: then one day, all of a sudden, you realize two

857
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: and two really do equal for and that is this

858
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: for most of us. What happens to us doesn't affect

859
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: us as much as our philosophy of life affects us. Example,

860
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: studies were done on Jewish concentration camp and death camp survivors.

861
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: If you knew nothing about it, you would think that

862
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: a lot of Jews who were religious and saw their

863
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 2: children cremated, saw their parents hanged and there, and knew

864
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: of their wife's murder, would cease to be religious, or

865
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: vice versa, that a lot of irreligious Jews would see

866
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: that the only thing left in life is God, can't

867
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: believe in man and become religious. The overwhelming majority of Jews,

868
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: from every study we have changed not one iota religiously.

869
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: They went through stuff that none of you could imagine,

870
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: that I can't imagine, and came out religiously and philosophically

871
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: the same. I don't say psychologically, I mean obviously. But

872
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: even then, what you go into trauma with you often

873
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: come out of trauma with. If you have a predisposition

874
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: to believe that God relates to us. You will see

875
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: miracles if you have a predisposition against believing it. God

876
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: could come and dance the hula for you and it

877
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 2: would have a zero impact on your life. That's why

878
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 2: what you said is so critical. I am convinced of that.

879
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: Whom does God talk to those who were prepared to hear?

880
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: That would be my answer to that question. Most of

881
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: us in the modern world are not prepared to hear.

882
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 2: I am as guilty as anyone. I am very rational,

883
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 2: I am very scientific. Therefore I am cut off to

884
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: seeing certain things that others see. I even sometimes have

885
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: an envy of those who see God's hand here, in

886
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: God's hand there, and I don't have the cuts but

887
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 2: to say they're wrong. I just envy their ability to

888
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: hear and see what I can't. And we even in

889
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: a physical level. You know, our dog can hear things

890
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: that we can hear. There are things going on. So

891
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. Abraham is very impressed with being told

892
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: that you're gonna have a son at your age, and

893
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: more impressively, at your wife's age, and he yep, that's right.

894
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're right. Thanks for stopping by. And here's

895
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: a great meal. That's Abraham, not this guy. He's got

896
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 2: to be lifted up and just put out. And his

897
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: is more obvious, dramatic. Abraham's thing took much more of

898
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: a leap of faith. It'll happen a year later, it

899
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 2: goes totally contrary to anything. No miracles were shown by

900
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: the angels, Lotzi's miracles. See Sidome on the brink of destruction,

901
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 2: and still it has no impact. Yes, that's that's why.

902
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: That's why that point is so important. Yep, right, yeah,

903
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: this is the point the Rabbi's made, and that she

904
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: made that if he went to that in Sidome he

905
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 2: was pretty okay, but living next to Abraham it would

906
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: really show his moral worth. Yeah, I understand, you're right,

907
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 2: but we don't have the basis to hold. That's why

908
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 2: he didn't want to run to the mountains. It may be, though,

909
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: it may truly be, that he is more comfortable in

910
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: miserable places. Maybe that's not so much a death wish,

911
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 2: But I'm used to darkness. Don't send me to the light,

912
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: send me to another dark city. So who knows, maybe

913
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: that is what it is. Twenty Yes, okay, he wants

914
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: to go to this little place he replied that is

915
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: the angel. Very well, I'll grant you this favor too.

916
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: Love that two. You keep demanding all these things, we'll

917
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: give you this one too. They were not impressed with

918
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 2: him either. And I will and I will not annihilate

919
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: the town of which you have spoken. Now that who

920
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: said that he wanted to sew you did? That's right,

921
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: that was the basis, as I said, we'll see on

922
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,959
Speaker 2: which you can make that claim. But as we've seen

923
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: no moral heroism on his behalf before. He didn't argue

924
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 2: for the people of the dome. Abraham did, which is

925
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:16,479
Speaker 2: another I mean, glaring, glaring difference right between Abraham and Lot.

926
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 2: We don't. He didn't say say of the place. But

927
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: on the other hand, he might have known if he

928
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: goes there and he's going to be saved, the place

929
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 2: will be saved. Yep. That time was that he wanted

930
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 2: to be able to say something, but he just can't. Oh,

931
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: that's very sweet, it's very sweet. Wherever load is resting,

932
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: he is appreciative of your of your kind thoughts. That

933
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: he prevaricated only because he couldn't think of a good

934
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: argument at the time. Right, I'd love you to These

935
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 2: are really fine men. Look, I offered my daughters and

936
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 2: they wouldn't take that. Moral giants of Sidon. The wife

937
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: and daughters are with him right now when he's having

938
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 2: this discussion. But wives and daughters don't talk to angels

939
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 2: and Genesis. Sorry, they're lucky. They're a law and if

940
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: the sons in laws didn't take them, they're dead. Hurry

941
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: flea there to this, to this other city, for I

942
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: can't do anything until you arrive there. Hence the name

943
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: came to be called Soar, which I'm sure makes perfect

944
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: sense to all of you, I know, don't don't you

945
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 2: love that when in the English you can't, you can't,

946
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 2: you can't help doing that. It's it's there's no way.

947
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: As he writes Hebrew, mitzar is a play on soar

948
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: in verse twenty two, is intended to explain by by

949
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: popular etymology, mitzar is uh is what suffering bad uh

950
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: low low place. So that's that's that's how it got

951
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: the name, presumably twenty three the as the sun rose

952
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: upon the earth. By the way, it's not that in

953
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: Hebrew and Hebrew it's very weird. Hebrew it's usually hamshallah

954
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 2: the sun rose. It doesn't say that here it says

955
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: amish yatsa, which means left. It's very odds it or

956
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: went out. It's like the sun went out on the land.

957
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that because it's an interesting Hebrew construction.

958
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: And Lot went to soar and God reigned upon sid

959
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: Dome's sulfurous fire. And it's added again from the Lord

960
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 2: out of heaven, it would seem to be redundant. Is

961
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: that not correct? Hmm? It said it's said here that

962
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: God did it, and then it says it came from

963
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 2: God out of heaven. It's simply to make the point,

964
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 2: it's not nature doing this, it's God. Just in case

965
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: you know it was any doubt. It is purely coming

966
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: from God. In other words, what we assume is some

967
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 2: massive earthquake type upheaval did take place in that area.

968
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,520
Speaker 2: It is apparently apparently it is verified by by some

969
01:08:16,639 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 2: archaeological study. And and what the toras saying is God

970
01:08:21,719 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 2: did it. Don't think this was just a natural phenomenon

971
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,119
Speaker 2: that took place. By the way, there is an interesting

972
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 2: question I have. It says I won't destroy so Are

973
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: because you load are there, But why would God destroy

974
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 2: Sadome if load is there? If so are of a

975
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 2: lower moral deficiency. I don't have an answer to that question.

976
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 2: It's just something if you come up with I would appreciate.

977
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 2: It's one of those puzzles that I couldn't figure out

978
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 2: an answer to. God reigns all of these things on

979
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: them twenty five. He annihilated those cities and the entire plane,

980
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 2: and all the inhabitants of the cities, and the vegetation

981
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 2: of the ground. Notice when Noah is when Noah is

982
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 2: saved during the flood, it says, and God destroyed all

983
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: man on the earth except for Noah's family and all

984
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 2: the animals. It doesn't speak of the vegetation. And here

985
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't speak of the animals. My theory is that, remember,

986
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 2: this is being read by a Jew looking at a

987
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:38,480
Speaker 2: desolate Sidame, and it's an attempt to explain the desolation

988
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,839
Speaker 2: of that area. You don't even see vegetation in Sidome.

989
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 2: If you've been to the Dead Sea, it's a world

990
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,520
Speaker 2: of salt. It is why it's called dead. It's dead

991
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 2: in Hebrew. It's not dead sea, it's sea of salt,

992
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 2: but it is. It's all dead. Nothing grows there, basically,

993
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 2: And so I think that that's the point that it

994
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: wished to make. You know why it's dead if you

995
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: look at Sidome today Jews, because I God destroyed all

996
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 2: of the vegetation. Okay. All the other possibility is they

997
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 2: were so cruel they didn't even keep animals there. But

998
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 2: I doubt it just wanted to throw that as a possibility.

999
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: And here is one of the most famous statements of

1000
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 2: the entire Bible. Lot's wife looked back, and she thereupon

1001
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 2: turned into a pillar of salt. And that's that's what

1002
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: happened to That's what happens if you look back it is.

1003
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 2: It's a very powerful imagery. And by the way, Josephus

1004
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 2: claims the time of the of the year of Jesus, Josephus,

1005
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 2: the Jewish historian, claims to have seen the pillar of salt.

1006
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: If you go today to the Dead Sea on an

1007
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: egged bus tour, your egged bust tour driver will tell

1008
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: you there is a pillar. And they will still point

1009
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 2: out but that's somewhat of a joke. Everybody does look

1010
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 2: for it, though, and it is true. I don't. I

1011
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: have not used the Torah as a metaphoric book. I

1012
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,839
Speaker 2: have tried to be very strict to the literal writing,

1013
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: but the concept is very powerful. You look backward, you

1014
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 2: die in the next place. Well, it's it's basically the

1015
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: same thing that you don't go ahead, or you die,

1016
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 2: you you may still breathe. That's why I must tell you.

1017
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: I say this. I say this to older people all

1018
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: the time. I have the chutzpa two admonish people twice

1019
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 2: my age. When I hear from an older person, after

1020
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: I will give a lecture. Oh you know, it's not

1021
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 2: important for us old ones to hear it. The youth

1022
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: have to hear it. We're too old to change. That

1023
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 2: strikes me as exactly lots Wife. A lot of old

1024
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,719
Speaker 2: people have the lots Wife syndrome. They only look back,

1025
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 2: and they end up a pillar of salt. It's natural

1026
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 2: when you get older to look back. Of course, in fact,

1027
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 2: being more or less at mid age forty four, I

1028
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 2: realize that I now a lot of the time, not

1029
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: majority forty percent of the time. Let's say, have memories.

1030
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: When you're twenty, you only think about what'll be. You

1031
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: don't have memories. What are you going to remember? What

1032
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 2: things were great? At fourteen? I mean, there's nothing to remember.

1033
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: But now I have a lot of memories. I have

1034
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: a storehouse of memories, and they are They're a very

1035
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 2: real part of life. You should have memories. They're a

1036
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:01,759
Speaker 2: very powerful part of life. But if you only look backward,

1037
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 2: you turn into a pillar. That's exactly the point here.

1038
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 2: You have to move on even at eighty eight, or

1039
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: you're a pillar either way. Lot's wife wasn't eighty eight.

1040
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 2: You can be a pillar of salt at thirty. You

1041
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 2: could be a dynamo at eighty. And you all know

1042
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 2: that because you all know exactly those two types of people.

1043
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: There are people who are dead in high school and

1044
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 2: just and go on till they die. That's one of

1045
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: the few times I would use a homily. But I

1046
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 2: am convinced that that is part of the story about

1047
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: whether you move on when you have to move on,

1048
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: especially from bad scenes, whether you look forward, whether you're

1049
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 2: able to change, or whether you just look back and

1050
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 2: turn to a pillar of salt. I'm going to really,

1051
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 2: you know, as I think about this, I'm going to

1052
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 2: really write it up as the loats wife syndrome, as

1053
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: an affliction of old age that's far more corrupting than arthritis,

1054
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Speaker 2: and it's something that you really have to work against.

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Speaker 2: It's okay to look back, but not only look back.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why I think that that's powerful. I

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Speaker 2: will stop here but take a few more questions. We

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Speaker 2: get into a staggering story of Lot and his daughter's

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Speaker 2: next time, which, as I say, is the perfect measure

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Speaker 2: for measure. Let me take these these these seventeen and

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Speaker 2: let me take a handful of you raising your hands,

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Speaker 2: and then I do have to do a radio show

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Speaker 2: forgive me. By the way, did how many of you

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Speaker 2: heard it last night? I'm just curious what were you

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Speaker 2: moved by it? I mean, was it? Were those calls

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Speaker 2: meaningful to you? Because I was really overwhelmed myself. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 2: all right, speak as loudly as you can.

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Speaker 3: S Yeah.

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Speaker 2: She's saying that the value on virginity was not a

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Speaker 2: moral value, which which I was saying. I was saying,

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Speaker 2: it's not a moral value. But they would hold you're

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Speaker 2: just saying it's for their sexual gratification. But the sexual

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Speaker 2: gratification there is not. I mean, the act with a

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Speaker 2: virgin is no more pleasurable than the act with a

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Speaker 2: non virgin. It's a it's an attitude toward women, an

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Speaker 2: ownership yes, if it had nothing to do with homosexuality. Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. If it wait, if it if it had

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with homosexuality, why did't he offer himself? Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean that would have been the ultimate that's an

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Speaker 2: interesting thought. Or why didn't he offer his sons in law? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you you don't. You don't offer for men. It's you

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Speaker 2: can offer women, they're more expendable. It's it's pure sexism.

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Speaker 2: That was that was the that was the issue. It

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Speaker 2: has a lot to do with homosexuality. See, it's a

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Speaker 2: funny thing because in today's very sensitive era of homosexual

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Speaker 2: rights and so on, people want to say that there

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Speaker 2: is no homosexual sin here. There is only the evil

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Speaker 2: of rape, period and of the violation of hospitality period.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's dishonest to the text to hold that

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Speaker 2: homosexuality is not ascribed as a given to a very

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Speaker 2: bad people, and it is biblically based. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: constant that homosexuality is ascribed to the nations that are

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Speaker 2: described as awful, that that Israel goes into. You may

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Speaker 2: say that that's it's an unfortunate thing or whatever, and

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about homosexuality well down the line, but that's

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Speaker 2: a I can only take two more because I got

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Speaker 2: to do a show. Yeah, mm hmm. The theory on

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Speaker 2: who the angels are? Angels are messengers of God who

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Speaker 2: clearly come in human form. That's all we could really say.

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Speaker 2: You mean, who, who are they? Where they are? They?

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Speaker 2: Are they celestial creatures? There angelology and there really there

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Speaker 2: is such a thing. Is is a part of rabbinic thought.

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Speaker 2: I've never gotten into it personally, so I can't. I

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Speaker 2: can't tell you. I can. I can tell you though,

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Speaker 2: there is a belief, and whether it's literal or not

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Speaker 2: is the question. They're are Malachy Hasharat? Who do you

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Speaker 2: sing shallo to on Shabbat? Leon? The angels of the above?

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Speaker 2: The angels who serve you? Is the is the song

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Speaker 2: imply that there really are the celestial wing beans? I

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Speaker 2: guess it's up to you, know, it's up to you

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Speaker 2: to conclude on your own. I gotta take one final

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Speaker 2: please forgive me. Sorry, Yes, yeah, it's a very good one.

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Speaker 2: I have to. I have to think that through. What

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Speaker 2: was the argument against it? What was the argument that

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Speaker 2: he would have thought they were angels?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Oh? The way? Yeah, that this the the servile greeting. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he might have been. He's a mixed bag, let's put

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Speaker 2: it that way. No, No, he is, and that's a

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Speaker 2: important I know. I'm not. You know, I haven't been

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Speaker 2: his biggest booster tonight, but I but he is clearly

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Speaker 2: rungs above his h his brothers as he calls the

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Speaker 2: citizens of Siddoma. I'm gonna think that one through. I'll

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Speaker 2: see in two weeks. Thanks a lot.

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