1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 2: You are listening to The Becket Cook Show with your host, 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: Beckett Cook. For more information about Beckett and his ministry, 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: visit his website at Beckettcook dot com. To help support 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: the podcast, visit Patreon dot com slash the Becket Cook Show. 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Please consider subscribing to the podcast and leaving a five 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: star rating. 8 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to the show. Today. 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: I have a special guest, Blake Bozarth, and we're going 10 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: to be talking about Iran. Obviously, there's a lot going 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: on in Iran right now, but we're going to be 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: specifically focused on Christianity in Iran and what it was 13 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: like to be a Christian before the Islamic Revolution in 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine, what happened right after the revolution in 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: terms of Christians. 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: And what's going on right now. 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: With the explosion of Christianity in Iran today. But first 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: awards from our sponsor, Please welcome my guest to Blake Bozarth. 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 4: Great to be here, Becket, thanks for having me. 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you on. 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: I know, you know, it's really crazy what's going on 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 3: in Iran right now, and it's happening in real time. 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: But before we get into that subject. I want to 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: just ask you because you mentioned that in twenty twenty five, 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: September tenth, twenty twenty five, the obvious date that you 26 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: crossed the rubicon and went all in for the Kingdom, 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: So tell us about that. 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, my story there is I would have told you 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 5: that I was on fire for Christ before. 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: That time, and I was in a lot of ways, 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 4: like in my personal life as. 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 5: A dad, as a husband, I was discipling and leading 33 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 5: men's groups and those sort of things. But there was 34 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 5: a peace of me that I was holding back, and 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 5: it was a big piece of me. 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: So the September tenth, by the way, is. 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 5: When Charlie Kirk was assassinated, when he was murdered, and 38 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 5: I remember I was just because there was a time 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 5: like thirty minutes somebody had texted me like shortly thereafter. 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 5: I'm keeping track of what's going on, and there was 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 5: these rumors that, oh, well, he hasn't been pronounced dead yet, 42 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 5: so maybe he's still alive. I remember being on my 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 5: knees and just like praying to God and like say, 44 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 5: please save this man, you know, please save this man. 45 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 4: And of course that's not the way it turned out. 46 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 5: But in that moment, I just knew that my life 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 5: was forever change at that point. And the thing that 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 5: was I had been holding back was I was I 49 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 5: was safe with my public voice. 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: So I had like leadership development business. 51 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 5: I'd worked with corporates as my main clients, running leadership 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 5: programs for them. I had a leadership podcast, and I 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 5: was very forthcoming about my faith and how much I 54 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 5: love Jesus and you know, the things that were culture 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 5: really acceptable around Christianity. I was very And the way 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 5: I described it is that I was never I never 57 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 5: pretended like the Emperor had closed. But here's here's what 58 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 5: I wasn't doing. I wasn't pointing out that he was neked. 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: And so after Charlie Kirk's martyr him, it was it 60 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 5: was just I crossed that rubicon. So it was like, Hey, 61 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 5: from this point on, I am all in. I am 62 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 5: going to be fighting against evil. I'm going to be 63 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 5: even if it's controversial. I'm going to be fighting for 64 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 5: the Kingdom of God with my public voice, not just 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 5: behind the scenes. 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: Give us the example of give us an example of one, 67 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: you know, being bold for Christ, Like what like, what 68 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: are some of the things things you were saying, or 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: one thing you were saying that. 70 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 4: Changing now since crossing the rubicon. Yeah, so this, this 71 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 4: one's a very controversial one. 72 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 5: But I was saying that Christians should not be supporting 73 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 5: the Democrat Party. Does that mean that you should vote 74 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 5: do you have to vote for a particular candidate or 75 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 5: a particular party on the other side, But at this point, 76 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 5: given where the Democrat Party is and the things that 77 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 5: are codified into their party platform, which include abortion and 78 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 5: their agendas when it comes to all the LGBT and 79 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 5: the sexual kind of revolution gender, I think that Christians 80 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 5: should say no. 81 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: And so that's a red line. 82 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 5: And so that's the sort of thing where it's like 83 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 5: before it's like I had trying to touch anything that 84 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 5: was too like hot mud and political, and now I'm 85 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 5: out there being like, hey, pastors, this shouldn't be controversial. 86 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 5: We should be pastoring our flocks better. It doesn't mean 87 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 5: again that we should be partisan by any means, but 88 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 5: we should be saying, hey, there are certain red line 89 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 5: issues that should prevent a Christian from supporting a certain platform, 90 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 5: and one of those one of the most obvious ones 91 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 5: is the life of babies. 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel the same way. 93 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: I've talked about this before, but when I got saved 94 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, I immediately understood the Imago Day, 95 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: which I didn't believe before I was an atheist. And 96 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: I immediately because I was pro pro abortion before, I immediately 97 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: became pro life because I understood the Amagua Day, and 98 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: and so on this show, there's nothing controversial because I 99 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 3: talk about everything and how God saved me out of. 100 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: Homosexuality, et cetera, et cetera. So I yeah, so I'm glad. 101 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: I'm glad that you've become very bold, and that's awesome. 102 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: Praise God. Okay, so let's get to Iran. 103 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: Now, what was Christianity like under the Shaw and before 104 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: the Islamic Revolution in nineteen seventy nine. What how are 105 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: Christians treated by the by the regime of the Shaw, 106 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: or by just in general, by other Iranians? 107 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: Like, what was it like before the revolution? 108 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 109 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 5: So I have been taken by this topic given where 110 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 5: we are with Iran right now. So I've been hearing 111 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 5: for a while like there's something incredible going on with 112 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: the church in Iran, and it made me want to 113 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 5: dig deeper. So I had lived abroad for a little bit, 114 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 5: studied abroad and lived abroad in the Middle East, had 115 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 5: had some connections some friends. 116 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: In Iran, and. 117 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 5: I was if you know that history is like prior 118 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 5: Nae and seventy nine, they were known for being pretty 119 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 5: western leaning and fairly secular, right, And when I started 120 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 5: to do the research, you want, okay, what's going on 121 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 5: with the church in Iran? You see some of the history, 122 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 5: and yeah, they were. 123 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: They were fairly. 124 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 5: Westernized as a as a as a nation state prior 125 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 5: nae and seventy nine. 126 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 4: Part of the a is long as revolution, but the church. 127 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 5: Was relatively tiny and most of the Christians there are 128 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 5: almost all the Christians that would have been in Iran 129 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 5: were mostly ethnic Armenian Christians that were like from from 130 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 5: hundreds of years thousands of years back. It's just a 131 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 5: part of their culture, right, And they were a small percentage, 132 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 5: but they were only if you look at the research 133 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 5: behind it, there was only about five hundred, five hundred 134 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 5: people from Muslim backgrounds that were Christians in Iran at 135 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 5: that time, so they were secular, and so it would 136 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 5: they were like there was still there were churches operating 137 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 5: freely in Iran, but in that secular world. Uh, the 138 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 5: church was tiny and the people from Muslims background believers 139 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 5: that came from Muslim backround. They call them mbb's Muslim 140 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 5: background believers. There were only about five hundred of them 141 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 5: at the time. 142 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: That's like the five hundred who witnessed the Resurrection of Christ. 143 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: That's kind of that's kind of a crazy actually, Yeah, 144 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: and so and do you know what the shaw like 145 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: thought about Christianity? 146 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean from I understanding, and I don't have 147 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 5: a deep, deep, deep research on the shaw but from 148 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 5: my understanding is that they were there Muslim but they 149 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 5: were just more friendly towards it. So yeah, may consider 150 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 5: it sort of like Dubai is today, right, which is 151 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 5: where I lived for a while. They they they are, 152 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 5: they're cool with Christianity. They still don't love conversions from 153 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 5: Muslims coming into the faith of that. They're not like 154 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 5: raw raw, like, yeah we want to see Muslim people 155 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 5: become Christian or they're not good with that. But the 156 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 5: Church wasn't facing significant persecution at that time in a 157 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 5: similar way as you would see kind of an other 158 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 5: secularized states. 159 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this short break. So what happened, right, 160 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: after the revolution when the Ayatola come in. He came 161 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: in and took over and the clerics took over. What 162 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: what happened to the Christians in Iran then? Were they 163 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: all like murdered or persecuted? 164 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: What happened? 165 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, so they were all murdered, but persecution. 166 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 5: I think there was like a pretty much a switch 167 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 5: overnight where it's like, hey, there's a there's a new 168 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 5: sheriff in town. When it comes to Sharia law and 169 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 5: the way that the way that we're going to run 170 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 5: this country and religious liberty took a immediate hit. There 171 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 5: was a lot of boshed So there was purges throughout 172 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 5: Iran when when the revolution was happening. But it wasn't 173 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 5: like they were just going out say he anybody who's Christian, 174 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 5: we're gonna we're gonna take you out, We're going to 175 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 5: kill you. But the persecution certainly happened in a particular 176 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 5: for people that were Muslim background. So they have formal 177 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 5: apostasy laws, it's my understanding, are still on the books 178 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 5: today in this way that if you're converting from a 179 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 5: if you're from a Muslim family, from a Muslim background, 180 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 5: and you are converting to Christianity or any other religion 181 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 5: not approved Islam. If you're converting, then you are officially apostate. 182 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 5: And the penalty for that, the maximum penalty, I guess, 183 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 5: can be death. 184 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 4: And we did see that. 185 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 5: So there's a very famous case Reverend Sudmand Hossein Sudman, 186 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 5: father of four, and he was a I think Assemblies 187 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 5: of God pastor, actually it's evangelical pastor. 188 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 4: And it was it was. It wasn't like it happened overnight. 189 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 5: It was kind of a little I think of a 190 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 5: slow burn where they basically UH came down on him 191 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 5: and said, hey, you cannot you cannot be proselytizing, you 192 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 5: can't be doing this. He was warned and so like 193 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 5: like the church in Iran was aware of what was 194 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 5: going on, the missionaries across the across the world in 195 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 5: America warning people like, hey, it's maybe a good time 196 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 5: to leave. And he refused to leave, and he refused 197 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 5: to back down, and so he's he's a he's a 198 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 5: very famous case of he was somebody that they they captured. 199 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 5: They took him in front of his UH, in front 200 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 5: of his family, imprisoned and let him back out with 201 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 5: the saying, hey, if you do this again, then it 202 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 5: can be much worse. And sure enough they hung him 203 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 5: on apostasy charges. And there's been other martyrs in Iran 204 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 5: uh in a in like kind of a similar way. 205 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 5: But there's been lots of other reports of people who 206 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 5: have been at prison, imprisoned, beaten, their families, abused, even 207 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 5: sexually abused, and it kind of it wrenches your heart 208 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 5: as a as a believer the more you kind of 209 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 5: dig into that stuff. 210 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: It's just it's just the reality there. 211 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 5: But as we know, when that happens, just like the 212 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 5: church and acts. So it started out with like around 213 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 5: those five hundred people who witness resurrection, right few hundred people, 214 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 5: the church did go underground, and so there are still 215 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 5: churches in Iran, but from my understanding they're okay, they're okay. 216 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 5: I think they still persecuted something I don't know enough 217 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 5: about it. With like the the ethnic Christians that don't 218 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 5: come from Muslim backgrounds, but Muslim background believers are very 219 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 5: much underground house church kind of style. And so it's 220 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 5: starting from that like five hundred from the Muslim background 221 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 5: that went underground, that has exploded in Iran. And so 222 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 5: over the years and this is why they they it's 223 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 5: reportedly the fastest growing evangelical movement in the world because 224 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 5: now they the best reports out there suggests that there 225 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 5: are over one million believers from a Muslim background in Iran. 226 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 5: And that's that's just it blew my mind. It's just 227 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 5: a beautiful thing. 228 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: Wow. And so. 229 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: How how what I mean? Obviously I forgot who said 230 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 3: this was a Tertolian. The blood of the blood of 231 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: the martyrs is the seed of the church. So do 232 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: you think that that the martyring of of Christians was 233 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: kind of the spark that started this explosion of conversions 234 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 3: to Christianity. 235 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very very similar to what we've 236 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 4: seen in the church and acts. 237 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 5: And uh, I even it hit it hits still close 238 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 5: to home for me as a as an American Christian. 239 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 5: Now who just told you my story in the beginning 240 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 5: you asked about crossing the Rubicon. I've experienced that now 241 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 5: for the first time in my life where I've seen 242 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 5: a fellow believer gruesomely martyred, and what it did for 243 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 5: my my own faith in my own walk with God. 244 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: It gives me gives me gooseums. 245 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 5: Even even talking about it right now, so I have 246 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 5: no doubt like that. That's a big part of what 247 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 5: has driven the church, the growth in the church in 248 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 5: Iran is the persecution that it's that it's faced, the 249 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 5: blood of the martyrs, the imprisonment, the beatings. So I 250 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 5: have no doubt about that. But what's really cool too. 251 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 5: I know we talked about this some back it before, 252 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 5: but there are so many reports, hundreds of reports, not 253 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 5: thousands of reports across the Middle East, but especially in 254 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 5: Iran of people encountering Jesus Christ in dreams. 255 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: And I know what's going on with this? What? What's? What's? 256 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: What is? 257 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 5: We we both share the Reformed background, And so for me, 258 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 5: I when when I first heard this years ago, I'm like, 259 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 5: that's really cool. But then there's this part of like 260 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: me that's always like skeptic, like like, does God really 261 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 5: show up? Is Jesus showing up to people in visions? 262 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 5: And are they are they coming to God without are 263 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 5: they coming to know Jesus without like someone like, you know, 264 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 5: evangelizing them directly. And the more that I've researched this 265 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 5: over the last few years and looked into this and 266 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 5: Iran is it's absolutely happening. 267 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: You can't. It's undeniable. 268 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 5: It's undeniable to see the way God is moving, the 269 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 5: Holy Spirit's moving, Jesus is moving, and the way he's 270 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 5: showing up to people envisions and dreams even and they're 271 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 5: just if you just kind of google this, you can 272 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 5: look at Uh there's lots of YouTube interviews where some 273 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 5: of these stories are shared. But missionaries from all sorts 274 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 5: of different agencies are reporting these same things. And and 275 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 5: of course they're getting fed, they're getting nurtured by believers. 276 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: Like once they have that kind of encounter. 277 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 5: And that's one of the cool things if you start 278 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 5: to research like how the underground church works and the 279 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 5: same thing, the same story, by the way, has happened 280 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 5: in China like that there. 281 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 4: People ask me, there's more. 282 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 5: There's more Christians in China than there are in America 283 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 5: these days, which is mind boggling, right, And when you 284 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 5: think about what it means to be Christian in China, 285 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 5: if you were talking about born again believers who were 286 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 5: seriously following the Lord, it's probably a lot more Christians 287 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 5: in China. Well, there's something there's something special about this 288 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 5: dynamic where you're underground and Uh, the way I've heard 289 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 5: of people describe it is you really rely on the 290 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 5: discernment from the Holy Spirit of who to talk to, 291 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 5: how to approach someone sometimes you know, like like people 292 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 5: like especially if they're encountering if God is speaking to 293 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 5: them in some way where there's a vision or some 294 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 5: other way. The the the believer has to be very 295 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 5: discerning about how they engage. 296 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 4: People and the spirit leads. 297 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 5: And so I found it. I found it fascinating as 298 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 5: a as an American Christian to think about these things 299 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 5: and to just kind of understand how it happens that 300 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 5: you can go from five hundred to over a million. 301 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 5: That's a two thousand times growth during during this time 302 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 5: that the persecution has been so extreme these past few decades. 303 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: And is it in China? Is are they having the 304 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: same kind of phenomena where they're having visions of Jesus? 305 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 4: Is that I haven't heard that. I haven't heard that 306 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: in China. There could be reports of that, but I've. 307 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 5: Specifically you can specifically find a lot of these reports 308 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 5: in the Middle East, which to the Old Thing, which 309 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 5: which is so cool too, but back then we talk 310 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 5: about in the beginning too, is it kind of dispels 311 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 5: this myth you're hearing a lot from from secularist or 312 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 5: atheist that that, oh, you're only your religion because of 313 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 5: where you're born, and so if you're born here, then 314 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 5: you would be you'd be Muslim, if you're born in Iran, 315 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 5: you'd be Muslim. And generally, yes, it's it's a very 316 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 5: it's very predictive of course that that helps shape somebody's 317 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 5: religious background. But this kind of dispels that myth that 318 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 5: that this that this is the way it works. God, 319 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 5: God moves through his people, but God also can move 320 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 5: absolutely directly, and it's it's just really cool to see 321 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 5: to see this happening. 322 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: And talk about what I mean, what's what happens you 323 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: know when a Muslim background believer and what what do 324 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: you call them? 325 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: MBB? 326 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, mbb's when when they do convert to Christianity. 327 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 3: Obviously the cost is high, but it's I mean including 328 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: with family members, I'm assuming, right. 329 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. 330 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 5: This is where it Jesus tells us the division that 331 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 5: the Gospel cause causes. 332 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: It did not come to bring peace but a sword and. 333 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 5: The sword yeah, and so like we hear Jesus say this, 334 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 5: I did not come to bring peace, but a sword 335 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 5: to set father against against against son, and mother against son, 336 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: to set family against each other. And you're like, he's 337 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 5: saying he didn't come to bring peace, yet he is 338 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 5: the prince of peace. So we kind of have this dichotomy. 339 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 5: But the more that I think you reflect on that 340 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 5: and you kind of apply uh, you know, biblical framework 341 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 5: to what that's what Jesus is talking about. There's something 342 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 5: special about the Gospel that it causes conflict, and it 343 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 5: shouldn't cause conflict within the believing families, right, Like we're like, 344 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 5: if you have a heritage of belief, God works through generations, 345 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 5: he works, His Covenant applies to the thousands. 346 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: That love him. 347 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 5: But when you're coming from non belief and you're coming 348 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 5: from other religious backgrounds or non religious backgrounds, it causes division. 349 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 5: But also like it also confirms who is a true follower. 350 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 5: And so anyways, yeah, that verse, actually, that passage really 351 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 5: stands out for me, and it reminds us in America. 352 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 5: I think we're so I think we're so comfortable and 353 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 5: we've gotten to a point where our gospel does not 354 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 5: offend anymore in a lot of ways. Right, So we're 355 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 5: we're not used to, Uh, there's a version of the 356 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 5: American or westernized Gospel that is not offensive, it's safe, right, 357 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 5: And I would say it's because that version is not 358 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 5: the true Gospel if it's not actually offending. But you 359 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 5: see it, You see the dichotomy so much more clearly 360 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 5: when you're in a when you're in a culture that's 361 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 5: not that doesn't have the historical Christian roots, the division 362 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 5: is it's so noticeable. 363 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when Paul was preaching in Acts or 364 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: Peter when especially Paul, I mean everywhere he went he 365 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: would preach and there would be. 366 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: Riots, and how you know, half the people would believe 367 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: and half wouldn't believe. 368 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 3: But there, I mean, he was causing all kinds of 369 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: trouble just because the Gospel is so offensive. 370 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: And so we've kind of lost that. 371 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: A bit in in in the United States. But what 372 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 3: I think about this too in Iran and in terms 373 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 3: of Islam, like Islam is so such a heavy burden 374 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 3: of works religion and you know, graceless religion, and it 375 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 3: must be so alluring to to consider Christianity and and 376 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: just see how it's just this, it's all grace, and 377 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 3: it's all God and it's it's and there's so much 378 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: freedom in Christianity. I mean that must be like a 379 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: that must be just such a when people in Iran 380 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 3: are converting to Christianity, they must just feel this. It's 381 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: like the Pilgrim's progress. They must feel that just burden 382 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: fall off of them. 383 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 5: That's great, that's such a good imagery. I'm smiling because 384 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 5: I've recently saw this young woman who came from Muslim 385 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 5: background in Iran who was talking about how. 386 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 4: She read the Bible for the first time. 387 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 5: And I believe I think she was from Iron as well, 388 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 5: but she was Muslim background, and she was I think 389 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 5: she may have been one who had encountered us in 390 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 5: a vision and she you talk to someone else and 391 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: get introduced to the Word of God in the Bible, 392 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 5: and comparing that to her background with God as the 393 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 5: Koran kind of outlines who God is, she was just 394 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 5: like blown away. 395 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 4: Like you mean, God has grace. God, God, He's a loving. 396 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 5: God as well, not just a person God, God personal 397 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 5: loving graces, grace Field. It's it is a powerful concept, 398 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 5: and I think we forget, we forget, honestly as believers 399 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 5: sometimes how radical God's graces, how radical it is right. 400 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 5: And so when when when you have somebody who's coming 401 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 5: from such an oppressive background, and and it's not just 402 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 5: it's not just they've experienced hard things in their life 403 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: or they're coming from like a non belief background. They're 404 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 5: coming from a belief background of a version of God 405 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 5: that is so severe and so lacking, so lacking in mercy, 406 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 5: and when they discover who God really is, I can't imagine. 407 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 4: I just can't imagine. 408 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: I know it's a it's incredible. 409 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 3: And so what do you, I mean, what are your 410 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: thoughts on the just Us, on the on the invasion 411 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: of Iran? 412 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: What do you what do you thought from that? 413 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, So, to be honest, honest, I am. I am 414 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 5: conflicted in the sense of, like I think all Christians, 415 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 5: here's one thing I think we should agree on. I 416 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 5: think all Christians should be praising the Lord to see 417 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 5: this oppressive regime weakened and if he gets amazing about 418 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 5: how how it transpires from here on out. But to me, 419 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 5: that's that's a no brainer. Like, no matter where somebody 420 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 5: lands politically, matter how much they like or dislike a 421 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 5: certain president, that's something that we should all be praising 422 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 5: the Lord that this oppressive, wicked regime that has been 423 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 5: persecuting God's Church, Christ, the Church. 424 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: Of Christ rather in Christ. 425 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that that regime is being weakened. 426 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 5: That to me is the no brainer in terms of 427 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 5: the rest of like the geopolitical implications of it, I 428 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 5: am conflicted. 429 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 4: I I I. 430 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 5: Hope and pray that it works out beautifully as as 431 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 5: as as this administration has planned it, Like, I get 432 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 5: the logic behind it from Hey, they've never been weaker, 433 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 5: Like this is an opportunity to there's there there is 434 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 5: justification that can be made, even though I think that 435 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 5: case has been uh kind of poorly prosecuted in some ways, 436 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 5: but there's a lot justification where this this this UH 437 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 5: country has perpetrated so much terrorism across the globe, including 438 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 5: against Americans and American assets, including this is one. 439 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 4: This is the part, uh, not to. 440 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 5: Get too far offrom the political stuff, but it's the 441 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 5: part that I've actually been surprised that the administration hasn't 442 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 5: messaged more. But supposedly we've been told of at least 443 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 5: I think too maybe more incidents where the Iranian Iranian 444 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 5: regime actually tried to assassinate our president, right and that 445 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 5: is kind of an active war in and of itself. 446 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 5: And yeah, it took a while to respond to that, 447 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 5: but there's I think there is justification for it. But 448 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 5: I'm also not one of these it's like, oh, this 449 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 5: is the best thing in the world. 450 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 4: Like. 451 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 5: I think the proofs of the I think. I think 452 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 5: it remains to be seen how it's going to transpire. 453 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 5: And I could make an argument to you that our 454 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 5: hand could have been forced by others and it wasn't 455 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 5: necessarily America making the decision based on just America's interest. 456 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 5: But I also I've become more personally, I've become more 457 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 5: open minded and sympathetic towards America using our strength are 458 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 5: God blessed given strength for good and and and having 459 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 5: the lens of hey, how does this benefit our own people? 460 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 5: Like it needs to be our first lens. So if 461 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 5: you call that America first, our first lens, our leaders 462 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 5: jobs is first towards America and not and not jeopardizing 463 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 5: our our own interest. But I also think that part 464 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 5: of what we get to do is have a positive 465 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 5: influence in the world. 466 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 4: And I don't think that looks like nation buildings. So 467 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 4: as long as that's the big thing. 468 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 5: So we don't want to we don't want to try 469 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 5: to get bogged down in a quagmire like we've experienced 470 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 5: in the past. None of that, I think so far 471 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 5: as administration has made it very clear they have no 472 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 5: interest to do that, and they've shown that they can 473 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 5: take military action that is strategic, decisive and doesn't involve 474 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 5: us fighting endless force. 475 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 476 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 3: I mean when I first heard that comedy comen a 477 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 3: was taken out and a lot of his his guys 478 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 3: were taken out, my first reaction was, I mean, I 479 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 3: was just overjoyed. I was like, yes, like because for me, 480 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: it was just like this good versus evil feeling, and 481 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 3: I just I was so excited and I still am. 482 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 3: I'm excited because I mean the very least, I mean, 483 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: Christians now have the freedom they may potentially have the 484 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: freedom to worship freely in that country, and also just 485 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: in general, the population of the country will have freedom 486 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 3: now as opposed to I don't know if you saw 487 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 3: that story about I think it was a six year 488 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 3: year sixteen year old girl who didn't wear her hit 489 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: job or something, and she they some guards like arrested 490 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: her and then they ended up all of them I 491 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 3: think I don't know how many. I think it was 492 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: like twelve of them or maybe twenty, but they all ended, 493 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 3: they all her and then she got hanged from a 494 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: crane in the middle of Iran. I mean, so it's 495 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 3: like for me, it was just like like good versus evil. 496 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 3: But as you said, I am, you know, I'm a 497 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: little worried about the quagmire. I'm a little worried about 498 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 3: how this is going to play out out. And I 499 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: you know, my prayer is that the Iranian people will 500 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 3: rise up and you know, take over and and it'll 501 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 3: be a kind of a peaceful sort of transfer of power. 502 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: Uh. But that remains to be seen. 503 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 4: But to your point, but I think that that has 504 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 4: to be our prayer. 505 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 5: There's always risk, and that's where you have to appreciate 506 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 5: at least the courage from this administration, from the president 507 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: is there. 508 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: There's always risks. 509 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 5: We get to play arm chair quarterback and say, oh this, 510 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 5: I don't know how this is gonna work out. 511 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 4: It makes me kind of queasy. 512 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 5: But we should be praying, and I guess is where 513 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 5: like I think back to like the Christian perspective, we 514 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 5: should be praying that God raises up leaders that in 515 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 5: Iran that that are are honoring to him and that 516 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 5: are good for his church. We should be praying for 517 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 5: that at the very least. And I think that's always 518 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 5: the big risk in these kinds of situations, is like 519 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 5: the power vacuum, because I think the same thing happened 520 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 5: in Syria, a terrible leader get taken out, something happened 521 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 5: in Right terrible is taken out with Yeah, we should rejoice, 522 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 5: but then the power vacuum comes and and it actually 523 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 5: makes things even more oppressive for the people. We definitely 524 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 5: don't want to see that scenario. And I think what's 525 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 5: what's unique about Iran is they do have a history 526 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 5: with the Shaw of having a more stable, western friendly, 527 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 5: more liberty friendly, I should say government. And so that's 528 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 5: what we should be praying for, is that that version, 529 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 5: some sort of version like that can come back. 530 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think the Shaw's idea, it's I mean, 531 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: this is what's been thrown out there. But the Shaw's 532 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 3: sun might take over temporarily and then they'll be an election, 533 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: But we'll see if that happens. Yeah, just keep praying 534 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: for Iran. So what I mean you and you talk 535 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: about kind of the cut flower problem in America in 536 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: terms of kind of relating it to Iran. And how 537 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: obviously you know, as we mentioned, person acution has really 538 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 3: just made this church and iron explode talk about the 539 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: cut flower problem in America. 540 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 541 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 5: So so here's the way I like to think of America. 542 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 5: We are so blessed, We're so blessed like as a 543 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 5: nation that how how profoundly Christian our roots are. That 544 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 5: root produced that Christian those Christian roots produced a beautiful 545 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 5: flower like one of the and this is really a 546 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 5: Western civilization in general. You could you could you could 547 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 5: describe the story for Western civilization. So Western civilization was 548 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 5: so shaped by Christ. So the ethic, the value system, 549 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 5: the imago day, by the way that emerge, where where 550 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 5: we get the basis for human rights? 551 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 4: Right? We take human rights for granted, human rights came. 552 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 5: From it rooted in a Christian understanding of the value 553 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 5: of the individual. Without I think it's where people get. 554 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 5: It kills me because I see so many Christians who 555 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 5: don't appreciate how important it is that we have a 556 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 5: basis for where our rights come from. So for instance, 557 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 5: when our when our declaration says uh and now by 558 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 5: our creator, by certain available right. Those rights didn't come 559 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 5: from just anywhere. It wasn't like men of the Enlightenment 560 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 5: who were just like, oh, we can reason too, we 561 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 5: should treat people this way and that way. And that's 562 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 5: not where it came from. Our rights come from our creators. 563 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, the French Revolution was a disaster, in the American 564 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 3: Revolution wasn't because it was based on biblical principles and 565 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 3: and God basically. 566 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 5: Yes and so so again. This is where after crossing 567 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 5: the Rubicon, I spend a lot. Like my heart, I 568 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 5: have a heart for our country, have heart for America, 569 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 5: and I have a heart for God's Church across the world. 570 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 5: I want to see I want to see every country 571 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 5: be a Christian country. Imagine that that freaks people out 572 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 5: when you say that, But I want to see the world. 573 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 4: I want to see that the glory of God cover 574 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 4: the earth. 575 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 5: Like the waters of the sea. I que back, except 576 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 5: I wanted. I want to see that, and I think 577 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 5: God is doing that. He's redeeming, He is redeeming the world. 578 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 5: I take a more post millennial. 579 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 3: Uh uh, where it was going to say, for where, 580 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: for where? 581 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 4: For where God is going? 582 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 5: And it doesn't mean that it's all advancing at the 583 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 5: same time, but overall, and that's what this guy actually 584 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 5: tied their discussion together pretty well too, is when the 585 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 5: more I think Americans study and learn about the church 586 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 5: abroad in the world, the more you can see the 587 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 5: way God is advancing his kingdom on earth. So it's 588 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 5: it's not like it's the hearing not yet as well, right, 589 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 5: So you're you're seeing God's kingdom grow even though we're 590 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 5: seeing retreat in America. So back to your point the 591 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 5: cut flower. So America has these profoundly Christian roots that 592 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 5: produce this beautiful flower. And what's happened is over time 593 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 5: we have intentionally tried to disconnect from those roots. We 594 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 5: tried to we tried to disconnect from God. 595 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 4: And when that happens, you. 596 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 5: See, like the flowers beauty is still there, like like 597 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 5: the you cut the flower away, that it's still a 598 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 5: beautiful flower for a while, right, and then it starts 599 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 5: to starts to with it starts to fade because no longer. 600 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 4: Has has that foundation. And we see that in America. 601 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 5: We've seen the way we've drifted so far from God 602 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 5: and the impact that's had on the moral rot in 603 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 5: our country, and I look at the application for America 604 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 5: as to say, hey, the church was actually not it 605 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 5: was not growing in this comfortable, secular world in Iran. 606 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy? It wasn't really growing. 607 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 5: Then it started growing when they face severe persecution. And 608 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 5: so I don't want that to happen in America by 609 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 5: any means. I don't want us to face severe persecution. 610 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 5: But when we see things like Charlie Kirk coming back 611 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 5: to that in my personal story, and I've seen so 612 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 5: many other thousands of us, right, thousands of us in 613 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 5: this nation. 614 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 4: Who have been embolden, and. 615 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 5: Christians who have been embolden in their faith, but also 616 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 5: people who weren't saved yet who have started to seek God. 617 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 5: They want to buy a Bible for the first time 618 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 5: in their lives, they want to go to church. When 619 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 5: you experience that type of event, there's it does something 620 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 5: for us to wake us up again, to say, Wow, 621 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 5: we've been comfortable for so long, we've been in this 622 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 5: we've kind of bought the lie of secular neutrality, and 623 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 5: we're gone through the motions and we needed we need 624 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 5: to be woken up again. We need we need revival. 625 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 5: And in order for that flower to not completely wither. 626 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 5: We have to return to our Christian roots, and so 627 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 5: I get fired up about that. I want to see 628 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 5: us appreciate what's going on in Iran, what's going on 629 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 5: in the Middle East and the persecuted church, and ask 630 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 5: on for mercy that we don't see that happen here 631 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 5: one day, but that the church can wake up and 632 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 5: and return to God in our own country too. 633 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: Did you go to Charlie Kirk's memorial. 634 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 4: I didn't go to it. I wish I went to it. 635 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 4: I was plugged into it the whole day on the 636 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 4: on the TV. 637 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: I was absolutely stunned. How much you go? 638 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: No, I didn't know, but I watched the whole thing, 639 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 3: all five hours of it or whatever, and I was done. 640 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: To the core. 641 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 3: How much Jesus was proclaimed at that memorial. I mean, 642 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. I was like, billions of people 643 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 3: are I. 644 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: Don't know how many. I don't know. I don't know 645 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: the numbers on who ended up. 646 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was. I think it was. It was. 647 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 4: It was a lot of people. It was over it 648 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,959 Speaker 4: was over one hundred million people. 649 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, million, hundreds of millions of people 650 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 3: are watching this and they're hearing the Gospel over and 651 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 3: over and over and over again, like this is incredible. Well, yeah, 652 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 3: it was amazing. I was I was, Yeah, I was shocked. 653 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 4: What's also crazy on that too? That kind just made 654 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 4: a video on this. 655 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 5: Today, you will still have Christians, progressive prisian. You'll still 656 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 5: have Christians who looked at that, looked at that, uh. 657 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 4: That ceremony, memorial service. Sorry, you looked at the momorial 658 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 4: service and they hated it, I know. 659 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 5: And they didn't want to see. They didn't want to 660 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 5: see our leaders are our elected officials. They didn't want 661 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 5: to see them proclaiming the Gospel. And like Marco Rubio said, uh, 662 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 5: it was beautiful. 663 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: And how could you not as a Christian like be 664 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: glad and thank. 665 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 5: The Lord that we have elected officials that honor him 666 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 5: in this way and that want to honor him in 667 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 5: this way. 668 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 4: It blows the mind. 669 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I can't I can't think of I mean, 670 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 3: I think I can't think of anything in modern history 671 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: that where elected officials proclaimed Christ in this way. 672 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that they never had. 673 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 5: They used to back in the day. Like we have 674 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 5: profoundly Christian roots where like we used to have this 675 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 5: is what this video I just made on. 676 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 4: We used to have calls to national calls to repentance. 677 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 5: That would make the modern pasture blush, like they were 678 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 5: so like crazy about our manifold. 679 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 4: Sins and through the through the merits and mediation of 680 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, we confess our sins. We used to do 681 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 4: that from Congress and the President. 682 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 5: So anyways, I say that to say back to how's 683 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 5: this tie in with iron? The people, the Christians in Iran, like, 684 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 5: what would they give to have leaders like that? What 685 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 5: would they give for that? So as Christians America's like, 686 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 5: let's let's get it. Let's get let's get on fire again. 687 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 5: Let's repent from our own sins in the church. But 688 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 5: let's be praying that we as a nation return to 689 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 5: God and the fear. 690 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:31,479 Speaker 4: Of the Lord. 691 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: Amen to that. Well, let's leave it there. 692 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 3: Blake Bozarreth, I appreciate you coming on the show and 693 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: talking about this. 694 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 4: Great to be here man, Thanks for having me. 695 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to this episode of The Beckett 696 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: Cook Show. Your support makes this content possible. 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