1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Hey Boch, thanks for joining me absolutely, Michael, thanks for 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: having me on to that. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Animator Butch Hartman as our guest today. 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: He's known for such a Nickelodeon classics such as The 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 3: Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom, and for a faith 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 3: based series, The Garden Cartoon. That's kind of how I 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 3: got to know you. 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: Really good. 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: Butch, of course, but also is a Christian, which is 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: why we have him on. He has a new studio, 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: Butch Hartman Studios, with exciting goals and an exciting future. 13 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: But I want to kind of catch people up for 14 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: who you are. For those who are just learning about you, 15 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: tell us about your background, tell us what got you 16 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: started in the animation world in the first place, and 17 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 3: what led you into this values driven space. 18 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: Well, thanks Michael so much. I'm so glad to be here. 19 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: And I was born on the planet Krypton and I 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: was rocketed here as a youth in a rocket ship 21 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: where I gained powers under the yellow sun of Earth. Now, okay, 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: now I'm actually from Michigan, was kind of like the 23 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: planet Krypton, but grew up in Michigan and in nineteen 24 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: eighty three, I came out to California to go to 25 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: cal Arts, which is an animation school. 26 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: It's actually an art school founded by Walt Disney. 27 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: But I discovered this magical place called California with this 28 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: amazing art school, and I decided to go there. Didn't 29 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: know the first thing about Disney Studios as far as 30 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: getting in. 31 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: How am I going to do this? 32 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: But it was really the only school, and then the 33 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: country that taught animation at the time went there, ended 34 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: up learning more from the other my fellow students. I 35 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: died from the teachers, great teachers, but we all just 36 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: hung out and immersed ourselves in animation and nerdiness and 37 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: all that stuff. And slowly but surely I would get 38 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: one job after another in the industry from the eighties 39 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: and nineties, and started creating shows for Nickelodeon in the 40 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 2: late nineties early two thousands and Fairly Out in Parents 41 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: was my first one, and then I created Danny Phantom, 42 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: and then Tough Puppy, and then Bunsen is a Beast, 43 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: and now we're doing a Christian show called The Garden Cartoon. 44 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: That's a good summary there. Now you worked on more 45 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: than one hundred and fifty episodes of The Fairly Outparents. 46 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: For those who don't know what an animator does, I 47 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: think it's probably most people. What specifically does an animator 48 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: do for working on a specific episode? Are you working 49 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: on one scene in the episode? Are working on the 50 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: entire show? Are you writing the scripts? What did you 51 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: do exactly on one of those episodes? 52 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: Such a great question. 53 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: I did a little bit of everything, and I still do. 54 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: Just refer to simplify it. 55 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: For everybody doing a cartoons like kind of like building 56 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: a car, some people put the wheels on, some people 57 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: put the engine in, some people put the doors on. 58 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: A cartoons the same way. Some people will do the 59 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: character design, like Batman back here in my room there, 60 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: and somebody. 61 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: Will design his costume. 62 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: But then someone will design the car, and then somebody 63 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: will paint the bat cave, which is basically the set. 64 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: You know, we say people doing backgrounds, which are the sets, 65 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: the characters, which are like casting a movie, and then 66 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: voice actors come in and provide the voices, but they 67 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: all have to have a script to go off of, 68 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: so that script has to be written down. So I 69 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: was part of the writing team, and I had a 70 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 2: great staff for writers, great staff of artists to great 71 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: staff of I had a wonderful musician, Guy Mood, who 72 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: did my music for me. And that's every episode has 73 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: to have all those pieces in it. So once you 74 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: get one episode done, the conveyor belt keeps going, and 75 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: you do another episode and another, and the show's a 76 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: hit and runs for many years. You're doing it over 77 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: and over and over again as the years go by. 78 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: Now you are You and I are both old enough 79 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 3: to have done hand drawn animation. I don't think meter 80 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 3: animation existed. Computer animation did not exists in the eighties. 81 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: I don't think so. Yeah, what type of animation are 82 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: we talking about for your career? 83 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: Most of my career was spent doing hand drawn stuff, 84 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: like you said, on paper, pencil, markers, ink. 85 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: And paint, that type of stuff. 86 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: And people would actually paint things with paint brushes and 87 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: dead and brushes and ink and paint like that, and 88 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 2: they still do. That has not gone away. But now 89 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: when you have things like this like an iPad. You 90 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: got my iPad here, If I want to do a 91 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: digital drawing, I never run out of colors this ever, 92 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: where I never have to go buy another marker set 93 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: or inks or anything. It's all right here, but then 94 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: you kind of lose that traditional quality of having an 95 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: actual physical here's like a sketch pad I have here, 96 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: actually use that physical one of a kind and feel 97 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: with an actual piece of art that way. 98 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: But they still need people like us to draw, you know. 99 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: To design stuff originally, because they're not going to spend 100 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: twenty billion dollars on a movie until you draw it 101 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: up and sketch it on you know, your little notebook 102 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: and see if characters, if they like the characters are 103 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: like the story. So all computers have really done is 104 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: become tools to make things get done faster. 105 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: Looking back on your time in Nickelodeon, were there are 106 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: moments when your faith felt in conflicts with demands of 107 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 3: what you were doing? 108 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: And how did you navigate those? 109 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: Oh? 110 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 2: Thanks for asking. I got saved in the year two 111 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: thousand when I was thirty five years. 112 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: Old, and I had lived most of. 113 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: My life without believing who Jesus was or knowing who 114 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: Jesus was. And then when I sold fairly on parents 115 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: like right when I sold it to Nickelodeon, I became 116 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: say I got saved and love the Lord start following 117 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: the Lord, and so I was living in a secular world, 118 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: working in a secular world, but having a navigated like 119 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: a Christian the Bible tells us to be. Why is 120 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: the serpents and harmless as doves? You know, I couldn't 121 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: just start making shows about Christianity. No one's going to 122 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: make a show like that in Hollywood. I made right 123 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: off the bat, And so I would just try and 124 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: put Christian values in my stuff, you know, happiness, joy, love, peace, 125 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But behind the scenes, I was 126 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: always like trying to encourage people, lift them up. I 127 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: know I'm not perfect, I never was, but I tried to. 128 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: My heart and my values were changing. 129 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: The entire time I was making the show. 130 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: Certain jokes I would make when I first got saved, 131 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: I wouldn't make later on as my walk with Jesus increased, 132 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: you know, because when you're with the Lord, you're going 133 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: to become more a reflection of him. You're going to 134 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: be more like him, as a Christian means means christ like. 135 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 2: So my words would change, my thoughts would change, jokes 136 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: I would make. I didn't make anymore things I would say. 137 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: I didn't say anymore things I would do. Hey, let's 138 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: all go out after work. I wouldn't do things like 139 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: that anymore. 140 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: You know, stuff like that. 141 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: My life started changing, my heart started changing, and so 142 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: my value started changing a lot. So it was really 143 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: a lot of temptations in Hollywood, a lot of temptations 144 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: in the world do matter where you go. But I 145 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: really was great grateful that I had the Lord to 146 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: lean on during that time. 147 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: Tell me why you wanted to start and why you 148 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: wanted to launch into values driven entertainment. What did you 149 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: see as the need right now in society for that? 150 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: I think we all know what the need is. I 151 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: think it's a very different place. I mean not saying 152 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: Hollywood's ever been a center of morality, and by the way, 153 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: I'm not the most moral person ever. 154 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: That's why I need a savior. 155 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: But I will say this, there's a lot of kids 156 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: that won't walk into a church ever, but they have 157 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: an iPhone in their hand and something has to go 158 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: in that screen. And it's my job as a creator 159 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: and a filmmaker at a cartoonist as to what I'm 160 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: going to put on that screen. 161 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: So what do I put on that screen? 162 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: Am I going to put in something that's detrimental to 163 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: that child's wellbeing or am I going to put something 164 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: else going to make them laugh and give them hope 165 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: and give them joy. So now knowing, do they want 166 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: to watch it again? But maybe when they're an adult 167 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: and those traumatic moments said, maybe they can lean back 168 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: on something they learned as a kid and it will 169 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: help them. And that's what I want to do because 170 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: I learned a lot from you know, listen, television shaped 171 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 2: me growing up. I grew up in the seventies and 172 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: I'm not saying TV was perfect back then, but you 173 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 2: didn't get nearly as exposed to as much dark stuff 174 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: back then as you do. 175 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: Now. 176 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: Amen to that. Let's talk about your new studio, which 177 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: Hartman Studios. What types of projects are you going to 178 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: make with it, and what should people look forward to? 179 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, it's amazing. They were opening up which 180 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: Heartman Studios, and I auditioned and got the job. It 181 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: was crazy. I didn't think that. I couldn't believe I 182 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: got it. No, you know, it takes a lot to 183 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: open up your own studio. And we started off with 184 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: a garden cartoon. It was a cartoon I developed during 185 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: my time in Nickelodeon, but I never made it at 186 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: a Kelodion, of course. So when I left Ickelodeon in 187 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, I decided to make The Garden cartoon, which 188 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: is about a little lion named Lenny a little lamb 189 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: named Lucian. Together they live and work in a miraculous 190 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: garden where anything can grow. And God comes down as 191 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: a rainbow and talks to them every day and gives 192 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: them an assignment and as sue that assignment, and through 193 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: an original song or a scripture, they learned how to 194 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: do the assignment better. It's really funny. We started with 195 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: funny first. His kids want to want something entertaining and oh, 196 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: by the way, there's scripture in it too. So The 197 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: Garden's doing really well. It's actually on Angel Studios right now. 198 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: We just signed an exclusive deal for season two an 199 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: Angel Studio, so that's on as well. It's going to 200 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: be so exciting. But now we got some brand new 201 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: shows I'm doing. I got one idea I want to 202 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: do that. We're doing a half hour special. 203 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: Now. 204 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: I love the story of Noah's Ark, but I thought, 205 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: what if we took the TV show The Office and 206 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: put it inside Noah's Ark because like they're on the 207 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: arc for forty days and forty nights. 208 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: Noah, his wife, a ton of talking animals. What went 209 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: on in there? 210 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: It's like, well, Company Picnic Friday, why they're permitting still raining? 211 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: I guess the Company Picnic's canceled? All right, what are 212 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: we going to do today, guys? And so that show 213 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: is called two by two and I'm excited about that. 214 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: So that's kind of an older kid audience for that one, 215 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 2: like maybe twelve to eighteen. And then we're doing one 216 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: called Apossom Paul, where there's a little apossum who goes 217 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: around the land of Judea and talks about Jesus, and 218 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: that's for younger kids. 219 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: He's an en and he gets. 220 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: When he gets maybe hit the head and knocked down, 221 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: he plays dead because he plays possum. 222 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: And so Apossum Paul's another one we want to do. 223 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: And then we were another one about three little dragons 224 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: that are making fast food and a town run by 225 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: the greasy, terrible Cornhog who wants to just float the town. 226 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: With grease and is disgusting pigfigs. His name is the 227 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: corn Hoog. 228 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: So the three little Dragon is named Smoky, Spicy and Stewy. 229 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: Smoky breathes fire, he makes the hamburger's spicy breaths hot sauce, 230 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: he makes the tacos, and Stewy breathes stell and ice 231 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: as she makes the milkshakes. And so they have their 232 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: fresh food, and of course the cornhog wants to destroy them. 233 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 2: So the show is called Dragon Drive Through. And that's 234 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: another one that we're doing. And these are all for 235 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 2: family friendly audiences. You know, we mentioned God in them. 236 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: They're not straight up you know, Christian shows about the Bible, 237 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: but they are full of family values. Were full of 238 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: fun and enjoyment for everybody. 239 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 3: What does animation do that live action cannot? In other words, 240 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: how can why? How does animation communicate it to a child? 241 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 3: Maybe that other types of genres do not communicate. Why 242 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: are you so passionate about animation? 243 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: Oh? I love animation simply because there's so many things 244 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: you can do in animation and you can't do in 245 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: live action. They can do it faster. I think animation 246 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: really gives you a chance to really go into your 247 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: imagination and just do whatever. 248 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: Comes to mind. 249 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: You know, if I wanted to do an episode of 250 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: fairly on parents. I could just draw Timmy Turner wishes 251 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: for something. 252 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: Which just for an elephant, Boom, an elephant shows up. 253 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: But if I did a live action fairly on parents, 254 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: then took like a real physical magic wand like this 255 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: one here, and I wished up an elephant, I'd have 256 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: to go rent an elephant, get the elephant wrangler, have 257 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: the elephant come in, have them waiting off set. 258 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Ready for the elephant, bring the elephant in. Your writing 259 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: is very. 260 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: Limited when it comes to live action because the real 261 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: world is a lot harder to maneuver through than a 262 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 2: piece of paper with a pencil on. 263 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: It or an iPad, if you will. 264 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: So animation is a lot and for me a lot 265 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: more fun to do because I could really do a 266 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: lot more. 267 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: Well, what strikes me though, but just that we don't 268 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: have a ton of animation in the faith genre. We 269 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 3: have some, but it seems like we have like live 270 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: action dominates. 271 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: Why is that? 272 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: Is it just hard hard to do? Is it expensive? 273 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: Is it? I think talent? 274 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: That's such a great question. You know. 275 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: I was just at NRB this weekend, our last week 276 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: that National Religious Broadcasters can Mention in Nashville and they 277 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: are about five hundred booths there, of all these different 278 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: podcasts and TV shows and movies and apps and all 279 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: this stuff. We were one of the only kids booths there. 280 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: There's very little kids entertainment in the Christian marketplace, and 281 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: I think it's because, quite honestly, kids isn't taken as 282 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: seriously as it should be. 283 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: And I am here to prevent that. 284 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: I'm here to say kids do not think, not that 285 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: the Christians don't love kids, but when it comes to 286 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: the kids entertainment, it's not taken as seriously, quite frankly, 287 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: because most people don't do it, like you said, most 288 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: people don't think it is as serious. People would rather 289 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: make like a Dave movie or Apostle Paul movie, which 290 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: are fine movies to make, or they call them a 291 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: Sand and Sandals movie. They want to make these Bible movies, 292 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: and that's wonderful and they're great, But then we're forgetting 293 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: the kids over here and listen, I'd rather start feeding 294 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: the kids now while they're young, so that later on. 295 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: Because I'm a pastor, I deal with a lot of 296 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: adult set of a lot of childhood trauma. 297 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to deal. 298 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: With a lot of maybe I'd rather feed the kids 299 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 2: now so they don't become adults with a lot of 300 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 2: childhood trauma. You know, Let's get them while they're early, 301 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: because the enemy's going after them while they're young as well. 302 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: And there's lots of animation on different platforms that I 303 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: have to mention that include adult themed content that included 304 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 3: unbiblical worldviews. I think that's one thing we have to 305 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 3: consider higher is in. 306 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: Big Yeah, you're exactly right. You know, the biblical worldview 307 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: these days is not a popular one. It never has 308 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: been popular. Jesus says in the Bible, if the world 309 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: hates you, don't worry, because it hated me first. 310 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: You know. If you're if you're of the world, you're 311 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: not of me. That's what Jesus says. 312 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: And so when we're doing when we're doing things for 313 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: Him and the world isn't agreeing with us, we're doing 314 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: something right. Matthew five eleven says, blessed to you, and 315 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: they were violent, curse you for my namesake, and they 316 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: you know, they mock and revalue. It means blessed are 317 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: you when they do that, when they when they revalue 318 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: from my namesake. Jesus says you're doing something right, You're blessed. 319 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: So our job is to go into the dark places 320 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: in the entertainment world or the world in general, and 321 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: try and be that little light, that little firefly if 322 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: we can, and and light light the darkness. And so 323 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: I want shows that many people laugh. I want shows 324 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: that anybody can watch. I want I want shows that 325 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: don't embarrass people. I want shows that can And by 326 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: the way, here's the important thing. I want these shows 327 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 2: to make a ton of money so we can make 328 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: more shows, because it all comes down to finances. It 329 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: all comes down to what can we fund, right, And 330 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: that's why a lot of people in the Christian world 331 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: they don't want to fund a lot of it. They 332 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: want to fund all these big movies, which are fine, 333 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: but sometimes they don't have the Hollywood level of quality 334 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: that's necessary to be competitive. I bring that Hollywood level 335 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 2: of quality to the animation that I do. 336 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, what we used to be able to sit our 337 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 3: kids in front of Disney Cartoon Network and PBS and 338 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 3: let them watch it and not have to worry about it. 339 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: That's no longer the case. 340 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: I'm really grateful that you are doing what you're doing. 341 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: Let's same subjects sub briefly before we close here. You 342 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: also lead the Lion and the Lamb Foundation, which is 343 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: a nonprofit supporting entertainment that inspires the next generation. You 344 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: also run Goods Hartman Art Academy. That's something else, but 345 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: before we close, tell us about those two endeavors and 346 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: maybe what people should know about those. 347 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: You are so kind, Michael, Thank you, Britch Harvard Art Academy. 348 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: I have a ton of online courses that teach you 349 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: not only how to draw, but how to write and 350 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: how to produce and how to navigate. 351 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: The entertainment industry. 352 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: Anyone can teach you how to draw, but everybody can 353 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: teach you how to navigate the entertainment industry. The guy 354 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: who runs Disney Studios who doesn't draw a thing, makes 355 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: a lot more money than the people that draw for 356 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: Disney Studios. 357 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: And I've been in the industry a. 358 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: Million years and I've seen a lot of people do 359 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: very well, but they don't really have the artistic talent 360 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: that all these other people working really hard to have either. 361 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: So I want to show there's guys my age that 362 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: are living paycheck to paycheck because they didn't know how 363 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: to handle their business. They could handle their art really well, 364 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: but not the business end. So my job is to 365 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: teach people how to make it in the business world 366 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: of entertainment. That's what I want to do. In fact, 367 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: I have a brand new seminar coming out in March, 368 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: March thirteenth and fourteenth. It's called Hartcon for Borch Hartman. 369 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: It's in Calabasas, California. You can sign up now. But 370 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: I'm bringing artists, writers, producers, directors, and voice actors for 371 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: two days to teach you what it takes to make 372 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: it in the industry. And I really want you to 373 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: come to that. And Line and Lamb Foundation is my 374 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: nonprofit foundation where if you want to donate to that, 375 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: you can support us and what we're doing. And I 376 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: think that'd be a lot of fun too. So it's 377 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Line and Lambfoundation dot org because we need your support 378 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: if we're going to get this off the ground. 379 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: And Butch Hartman Studios is Butch Hartman Studios dot com. 380 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: Answer that is h A R T M M A 381 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: N or M O N M A N. 382 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: Buch Harmamn Butch hart Man, Butchartman Studios doc. 383 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: I see I say that I'm the art maan, Butch 384 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: Hartman the art man. That's what I say. I'm trying 385 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: easy to remember. 386 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: Hey, Butch always heard dog and see you. 387 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Michael, thank you for having me on. 388 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: That's a bluffing. 389 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: If you like today's episode, please subscribe and leave a 390 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: five star review. That's how we help more people just 391 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: like you find the show. A big thanks to the 392 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: team at life Audio for their partnership with us on 393 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: the podcast. 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