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<v Speaker 3>You know, when I think about my stuff, I think

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of Ecclesiastes. There's nothing new under the Sun.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just a guy who's articulating timeless principles, one of

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<v Speaker 3>which is that denial self denial is good for the soul.

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<v Speaker 3>And a child learns to deny himself by being denied.

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<v Speaker 3>And the very unfortunate thing is that today's parents don't

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<v Speaker 3>deny vitamin end being no the most character building a

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<v Speaker 3>two letter word in the English language. And today's kids

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<v Speaker 3>are not being denied. The temper tantrums that young people

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<v Speaker 3>are throwing all over America because what they wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>happen didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody, I'm Dennis Prager. Welcome to my show. I

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<v Speaker 1>have on a man whom I respect greatly. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember when I first came across his work, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was a great moment because the man has the one

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<v Speaker 1>of the rarest. What is rare. Let's see, courage is rare,

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<v Speaker 1>Intellectual honesty is rare, and wisdom is rare, and he

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<v Speaker 1>has I think he has all three, but it's the

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom that I'm really focusing on. He's John Rosemond, family psychologist,

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<v Speaker 1>and who has a column and who's written fourteen books.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he's now working on one on the children

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<v Speaker 1>and in Madagascar. His runout of topics after fourteen and

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<v Speaker 1>so he's really now pretty much concentrating on micro subjects.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's right? Oh? Is that right? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what you're oh you mean in suburban and suburban Madagascar? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, thank you, thank you. You know. I just

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<v Speaker 1>want you to know. This is a sort of tactic

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<v Speaker 1>of mine to see if the person I'm about to

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<v Speaker 1>interview was listening, I throw in some absurdity and if

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<v Speaker 1>there's no reaction, I know, oh this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a problem interview anyway. Yeah, that's right, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. Checking his email exactly. This is John Rosemond.

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<v Speaker 1>And John Rosemond has the latest pro university video and

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<v Speaker 1>he uh, it's already one and a half million views

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<v Speaker 1>in two days or three days? What I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>goes up Monday, So I guess it's three days, two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half days and then even I try to

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<v Speaker 1>be precise, and sometimes it trus people and it's is

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<v Speaker 1>your child getting enough vitamin N? And I want to

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<v Speaker 1>just tell you, folks, because I I think you'll find

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<v Speaker 1>this of interest, John, you will find this of interest.

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<v Speaker 1>There is I am a religious person, and in Judaism,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a very famous statement in the Talmud, the

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<v Speaker 1>second holiest work after the Bible, and that is that

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<v Speaker 1>whoever cites a source brings redemption to the world. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful phrase because it says you, wist all, you

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<v Speaker 1>must never take credit for something that you don't own.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have cited vitamin N in almost every speech

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<v Speaker 1>I have given about children, and of course every single

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<v Speaker 1>time I say from this is from doctor John Rosemond.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want I want you to know that, I

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<v Speaker 1>want the audience to know that because I consider it

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<v Speaker 1>a brilliant insight. Vitamin N. Well, you tell everybody what's

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin N.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. First of all, Dennis, you honor me and you

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<v Speaker 3>humble me at the same time. I'm so grateful for

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<v Speaker 3>what for our friendship. I mean, I really and truly am.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been an inspiration to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and it's.

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<v Speaker 3>An honor to know that I've been a source if

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<v Speaker 3>you will for.

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<v Speaker 1>You a mutual way.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when I think about my stuff, I think

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of Ecclesiastes. There's nothing new under the sun.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just a guy who's articulating timeless principles, one of

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<v Speaker 3>which is that denial self denial is good for the soul.

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<v Speaker 3>And a child learns to deny himself by being denied.

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<v Speaker 3>And the very unfortunate thing is that today's parents don't

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<v Speaker 3>deny vitamin end being no the most character building a

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<v Speaker 3>two letter word in the English language, and today's kids

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<v Speaker 3>are not being denied. And to tie this into current events,

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<v Speaker 3>as I was thinking about the show, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of the temper tantrums that young people are

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<v Speaker 3>throwing all over America because what they wanted to happen

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<v Speaker 3>didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly right. It's totally tied into your theme, the video,

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<v Speaker 1>and your general theme. Oh it didn't go my way,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will have a temper tantrum. Now. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you a question, because this, to me is

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<v Speaker 1>as interesting as the concept itself. When I grew up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe that I represent most people of the

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<v Speaker 1>baby boomer generation. Although that may not be true. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that certainly my parents' generation and every generation before them,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with my parents. Don't telling a child no

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<v Speaker 1>was natural to parents? It stopped being So what happened, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was not only natural. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was something parents understood to be an obligation because these parents,

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<v Speaker 3>prior to the psychological parenting era which began in the

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<v Speaker 3>mid nineteen sixties, had what I call a wide angle

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<v Speaker 3>view of parenting Dennis. They understood that their obligation was

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<v Speaker 3>not just to the child, which is what today's parents believed.

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<v Speaker 3>Parents in our parents generation, to some degree, although it

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<v Speaker 3>had become considerably diluted and weakened by the time we

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<v Speaker 3>began having children, understood that proper parenting is an act

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<v Speaker 3>of love for your neighborhood. And they understood, as a

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<v Speaker 3>consequence of that wide angle view, that they had an

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<v Speaker 3>obligation to send out into the world, into the community first,

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<v Speaker 3>and into the world children who were accepting of reality.

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<v Speaker 3>One such reality being as articulated by the great twentieth

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<v Speaker 3>century philosopher Mick Jagger, you can't always get what you want,

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<v Speaker 3>and so yeah, it was felt as an obligation that

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<v Speaker 3>you tell your child no, because this was a reality

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<v Speaker 3>of life. And furthermore, it was understood that this is

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<v Speaker 3>the way you produce a well socialized, highly motivated individual

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<v Speaker 3>opened to understand such thing as a valid, entitled right.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened is that the nineteen sixties came along, during

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<v Speaker 3>which time we became a progressive postmodern culture, and the

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<v Speaker 3>psychological community, the new parenting experts began manufacturing these neu

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<v Speaker 3>veaux postmodern parenting memes, one of which is that children

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<v Speaker 3>have a right to express their feelings freely. And so,

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time in parenting, in any generation, in

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<v Speaker 3>any culture, parents began to believe that children's emotional outbursts

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<v Speaker 3>had meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I want, I want, I want that to

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<v Speaker 1>sink in to my audience. There are times when I

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<v Speaker 1>visualize what a person is saying and I'm thinking, are

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<v Speaker 1>people understanding that this would come in italics? So why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you say that again? For the first time? People?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, let me repeat it, so why I can

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<v Speaker 1>memorize it. For the first time, parents started believing that

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<v Speaker 1>children's children's.

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<v Speaker 3>Anti emotional outright had meaning, meaning, so right that they

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<v Speaker 3>that they had some sort of valid content that needed

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<v Speaker 3>to be deciphered. And so the what was previously, as

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<v Speaker 3>we are told in the Bible and Proverbs, thought to

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<v Speaker 3>be nothing but emanations of the foolishness bound in the

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<v Speaker 3>heart of the child, was suddenly given credence. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the questions I asked my audiences is this,

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<v Speaker 3>raise your hand if when you make a decision that

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<v Speaker 3>your child doesn't like, and your child reacts very emotionally too,

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<v Speaker 3>you believe that on the basis of your child's emotional reaction,

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<v Speaker 3>you may have made the wrong decision. And it was amazing, Denis,

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, my audiences, and that's a conservative estimate. Hand,

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<v Speaker 3>And this is what's happened to American parenting since ironically,

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<v Speaker 3>American parents began listening to people like me, people with

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<v Speaker 3>capital letters after their names, tell them how to raise kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's part of my that buttresses my belief that

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<v Speaker 1>college makes you stupid and graduate school makes you stupider.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I heard an interview yesterday with somebody I forget

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<v Speaker 3>who it was, who said, how can these universities be

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<v Speaker 3>so stupid? You know, you pay all this money to

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<v Speaker 3>go to these places that make you dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is exactly right. I'm speaking everybody to John Rosemond,

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<v Speaker 1>the nationally famous and for Rolino, internationally famous family psychologist.

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<v Speaker 1>He has many terrific books. You should absolutely look at

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<v Speaker 1>them and hopefully get some of them. In any event.

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<v Speaker 1>His video is the late Praguer University course Is your

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<v Speaker 1>Child Getting Enough Vitamin N? Is a rare opportunity for

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<v Speaker 1>you to talk to him if you'd like to call.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how children should be raised for their sake,

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<v Speaker 1>for your sake, and for society's sake. You are listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the Dennis Praguer Show one eight Praguer seven seven six.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm speaking to John Rosemond, one of my favorite people

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<v Speaker 1>and a magnificent why psychologist. His video is up on

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<v Speaker 1>at Prague University. Is your Child Getting Enough Vitamin N?

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<v Speaker 1>Vitamin N is his terrific term for the word no.

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching yesterday and in passing, I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to see much TV, but it was on the family

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen and the Little TV and Bill O'Reilly had two

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<v Speaker 1>students on from two different universities and after they were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about all of the protests and what they're about.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked each of them, one female, one male, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, so are you for open borders? And the

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<v Speaker 1>female says, I have no comment and the male, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he was from Tufts. I don't remember where she was from.

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<v Speaker 1>And the male said, I let's see. She said, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't wish to comment on that, and he said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I really haven't studied the issue. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're complaining about cracking down on illegal immigration, but they

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<v Speaker 1>won't say what their position is on open borders. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't. It's like I want to talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>about what two and two is, but I won't talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you about one and one is. And I I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought you'd find that interesting. It is it is all.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all emotion, and I think it's rooted in the

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<v Speaker 1>not being told no, your emotions can't direct your life

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<v Speaker 1>any thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>That's romanticism come to full flower. The individual being driven

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<v Speaker 3>by feelings, and the the and the feelings are are

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<v Speaker 3>such that they can't even explain them. They can't articulate

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<v Speaker 3>why they feel the way that they do. They just

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<v Speaker 3>feel the way that they do. And they have a

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<v Speaker 3>right to feel the way that they do and so, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a right to say you're wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, and and any evidence to the current because Dennis,

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<v Speaker 3>as you well know, I'm the the When you are

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<v Speaker 3>driven by emotion, you are by definition not intellectually honest.

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<v Speaker 3>And it doesn't matter to this generation of young people

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<v Speaker 3>with the facts are. They're not even interested in the facts.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why, in my estimation, the girl has no opinion

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<v Speaker 3>and the guy hasn't studied the issue enough. But they'll

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<v Speaker 3>get out in the street and they'll scream and yell

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<v Speaker 3>about the fact that Donald Trump is not for open borders.

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<v Speaker 3>But they don't understand the issue at all. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>another opportunity to vent their sacred emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>Life is not ideal, and I will have a temper tantrum.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But to this generation, this generation has been nurtured

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<v Speaker 3>in a way that causes them to believe that life

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<v Speaker 3>has no meaning if life has no soap opera. And

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<v Speaker 3>so this generation of young people takes every opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>manufacture personal soap operas, collective soap operas out of the mundane.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so true. It's the drama Queen generation produced by

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<v Speaker 1>the parents and by the culture. There are so many

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<v Speaker 1>people who have questions for you. And since it's so

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<v Speaker 1>rare to get to have this opportunity for people, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to some calls that okay, okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>again I have the family psychologist John Rosemond on and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be go to Los Angeles and Miriam, Miriam High,

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Prager and John rosemond.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, Miriam, show a lot and mister Rosemont, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Saw your video, write him an end. I showed it

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<v Speaker 4>to my husband the other night because he believes, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if we should provide the technology and whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the kids need to you know, excel in school and

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<v Speaker 4>then we can't give them everything all the time. So

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<v Speaker 4>I showed him the video and lo and behold. This

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<v Speaker 4>morning we had a disagreement because I find out that

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<v Speaker 4>he gave my kids a dollar to make their bed.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was so upset about it, and I said,

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<v Speaker 4>didn't we just like I showed you this video and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it made so much sense, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to get a different perspective, am I am?

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<v Speaker 4>I upset to be wrong at him. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't believe he said, Oh I like to reward good behavior.

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<v Speaker 4>And they said, I'm not responsibility. That's their duty. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not you know, they're not supposed to get cheap from

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<v Speaker 4>making their bed. He's like, yeah, but it was just

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<v Speaker 4>a dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it doesn't matter, all right, love it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very I'm as curious as you are to hear John

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<v Speaker 1>Rosemand's response.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, but I hate to take sides in these

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<v Speaker 3>family disputes, Miriam. But it's more than an issue of responsibility.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an issue of obligation. And that's what today's kids

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<v Speaker 3>are not being taught within their families, is any sense

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<v Speaker 3>of obligation to their parents or their families. And your

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<v Speaker 3>husband's very well intentioned behavior is an example of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was speaking to I was in Hawaii about a

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<v Speaker 3>year ago, and I was doing a workshop and a

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<v Speaker 3>fella came up and introduced himself as a submarine commander,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, John, this entitlement attitude has even infected

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<v Speaker 3>the military at the level of submarine command, which is

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<v Speaker 3>the most demanding of all military jobs. That's arguable, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably probably true. And he said this, these young

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<v Speaker 3>people who qualify for submarine work, they don't understand that

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<v Speaker 3>they have been given a privilege. I tell them to

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<v Speaker 3>do something and they basically ask me, what am I

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<v Speaker 3>going to get if I do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, this is the biggest problem I deal with in submarine.

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<v Speaker 1>His answer should be you get to stay on the submarine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what you get the submarine precisely. But isn't

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<v Speaker 3>that mind blowing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Now that is where did you hear this.

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<v Speaker 3>In Hawaii from a submarine?

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<v Speaker 1>Com Oh? I see? Okay, great? Are you were speaking?

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<v Speaker 1>Are your workshop in Hawaii? Yeah? All right, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to I want to bounce off the theory. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>asked you why this is happening, and your answer was

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<v Speaker 1>superb And I agree. Is another possibility, and we just

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<v Speaker 1>take a break and then we'll hear your response. Is

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<v Speaker 1>another possibility that parents want to be loved by their

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<v Speaker 1>children at every moment of their lives. We shall be back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm speaking to the psychologist John Rosemond. His video course

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<v Speaker 1>is up at pre University.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have the man on in that in not

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<v Speaker 1>even three days, they got a million and a half views,

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube and Facebook and it'll go into the millions,

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<v Speaker 1>and as it should. If every parent saw this, we

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<v Speaker 1>would have a better America and a better world. Vitamin

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<v Speaker 1>N is the word no, and it's the one vitamin

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<v Speaker 1>kids don't seem to be good, and it's been at

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<v Speaker 1>least a generation. So I asked you a question, and then,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I want to I want to comment

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<v Speaker 1>on Miriam's call about the paying for the kid a

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<v Speaker 1>dollar to make the bed. But I wanted you to

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<v Speaker 1>respond to this when I asked you why this has happened,

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<v Speaker 1>the coddling, and you gave this excellent response about needing

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<v Speaker 1>to validate every emotional outburst. So is another possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>parents want to be loved too much and too consistently?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well it's not. I would I'm not disagreeing with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you can. By the way, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want you to Okay, okay, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I can, but I'm not. I just want

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<v Speaker 3>to make that clearer proactively that I would change the

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<v Speaker 3>word to like because I think there is a substantial difference.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that today's parents want to be liked by

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<v Speaker 3>their kids. And one of the things that I talk

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<v Speaker 3>about quite often in my books, newspaper column and public

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<v Speaker 3>President Asians is that over the last fifty years, since

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<v Speaker 3>we began listening to psychologists tell us how to raise kids,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is largely an artifact of a psychological parenting paradigm,

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<v Speaker 3>parents have substituted the desire for relationship with their children

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<v Speaker 3>for the obligation to provide leadership to their children. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't understand anymore that proper parenting is an active leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>They believe now that it's an active relationship. And as

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<v Speaker 3>a consequence of this, Dennis, the norm in American parenting,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in the mother child relationship, has become codependency Today's

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<v Speaker 3>parents when there's no emotional boundary between parent and child,

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<v Speaker 3>and especially mother and child, when the child feels something,

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<v Speaker 3>the mother feels it. The child fails the mother she

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<v Speaker 3>feels that she has failed. The child is bullied, the

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<v Speaker 3>mother feels that she's been bullied, the child gets upset

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<v Speaker 3>about something, the mother feels that herself to be in

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<v Speaker 3>a state of angst. And so the consequence of this

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<v Speaker 3>is that there is lacking in the life of the

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<v Speaker 3>average American child, someone who will represent reality correctly to

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<v Speaker 3>the child someone who will say, when the child has

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<v Speaker 3>a inappropriate emotional outburst, which ninety percent of children's emotional

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<v Speaker 3>outbursts are inappropriate, that this is ridiculous, This has no

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<v Speaker 3>bearing on anything, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You

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<v Speaker 3>and I are members of the last generation of American

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<v Speaker 3>parents of American children, whose parents felt the obligation to

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<v Speaker 3>discipline not only our behavior, but to discipline our thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>and our emotions as well. And today's parents only you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's another topic entirely, but they think of discipline strictly

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of behavior, and so today's children don't think

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<v Speaker 3>straight and they don't feel straight either.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so fascinating. I tell people, they say, where does

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<v Speaker 1>you learn how to speak? And you know, because people,

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<v Speaker 1>at least people, well many people, obviously not all, but

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<v Speaker 1>many people feel that I have a lot of clarity

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<v Speaker 1>in my thoughts. I do believe I do, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's both a gift from God or nature. And

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<v Speaker 1>I also believe that I learned it at the table

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<v Speaker 1>at the dinner table in my house where I was

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest of the two boys by six years, and

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't care if I said something incoherent. They said,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? That's nonsense? And so I got,

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<v Speaker 1>at a very early age a voice in me saying,

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<v Speaker 1>is that nonsense? Did you just say nonsense? So I could?

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<v Speaker 1>I so understand what you said. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>return to Miriam's point on the dollar for making the bed.

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<v Speaker 1>One possible response I would think is also in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to yours, is because I want as you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>the father the husband has only goodwill here. But one

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<v Speaker 1>possibility is that I'll give you a dollar for making

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<v Speaker 1>the bed, and you pay for the food. I'm obligated

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<v Speaker 1>to feed you. You're obligated to make your bed. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get John Rosebud's response in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you enjoying timeless wisdom?

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<v Speaker 1>We'd love to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 2>for your support.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest is the terrific. John Rosemond, the family psychologist,

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<v Speaker 1>gives these seminars around America and he as the latest

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<v Speaker 1>prig University course up as your child getting enough Vitamin

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<v Speaker 1>N that's the word. No. So I had raised the

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<v Speaker 1>issue of perhaps saying, well, if we pay you for

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<v Speaker 1>making your bed, you pay us for room and board,

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<v Speaker 1>because as a way of explaining to the kid. Although

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<v Speaker 1>from your perspective, and I agree with you in explanations

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<v Speaker 1>I assume are not always necessary, this is what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a bed, make it. But nevertheless, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be an interesting way of explaining I have obligations to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have obligations to the family. Is that fair?

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<v Speaker 3>Today's parents they lack confidence in the legitimacy of their authority, Dennis.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why they don't feel that they have the right,

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<v Speaker 3>if you will, to tell their children this is what

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to do. And then when the child asks why,

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<v Speaker 3>answer with because I said so, you don't need another explanation.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on the dole here. I pay for your life.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not obligated to justify any decision that I

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<v Speaker 3>make in your life. I am not oblige gated to

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<v Speaker 3>justify any instruction I give you. And you know, parents say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's mean, that's say you know, that's heartless. I say,

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<v Speaker 3>it's very, very traditional. And the interesting thing is that

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<v Speaker 3>the mental health of children who heard that our generation, Dennis,

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<v Speaker 3>is statistically ten times better than the mental health of

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<v Speaker 3>today's kids who don't hear that. So I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 3>our mental health as children was entirely dependent upon because

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<v Speaker 3>I said so. But I am saying that it was

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<v Speaker 3>dependent largely upon a clarity that existed in our relationships

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<v Speaker 3>with our parents and other adult authority figures during our childhoods.

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<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee lacking today, Yes, totally, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Vince Hi, Vince,

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<v Speaker 1>you're on with Dennis Pragrin, John Rosemond.

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<v Speaker 5>High Well, I would even like to know how the

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<v Speaker 5>doctor would recommend countering behaviors like this when when you're

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<v Speaker 5>dealing with the situation where somebody has told the child

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<v Speaker 5>that they have anxieties and dealing with their issues like that,

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<v Speaker 5>how do you you know the things that are used

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<v Speaker 5>as an excuse and so I like to hang out

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<v Speaker 5>and listen to hear them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know who it is that's told your

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<v Speaker 3>child since that he has anxieties, but this is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there are certain anxieties that are legitimate. Certain

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<v Speaker 3>anxieties are the results of legitimate trauma, etc. Etcetera, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 3>I use the word legitimate because a lot of what

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<v Speaker 3>is a lot of what people and especially young people

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<v Speaker 3>are claiming to be traumatic, is by historical, traditional rational standards,

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<v Speaker 3>not traumatic at all. It's just that we raised the

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<v Speaker 3>generation of children who have no emotional resiliency.

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<v Speaker 1>But forgive me, that's why they have safe rooms at colleges.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why they're giving them therapy dogs and letting

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<v Speaker 3>them curl up in corners and suck their thumbs collectively,

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<v Speaker 3>and so on and so forth. It's just absurd what

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<v Speaker 3>has happened to today's kids, and tragic at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, a lot of what I talk

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<v Speaker 3>about when I talk about today's kids can be interpreted

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<v Speaker 3>as criticisms, and really, I'm not criticizing today's children. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to help American parents understand that our obligation to

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<v Speaker 3>God and America is to raise competent human beings, and

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<v Speaker 3>competency is largely a fact not of your IQ. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a largely a function of your emotional resiliency and the

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<v Speaker 3>manufacturing of personal soap operas such as I Have Test

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<v Speaker 3>anxiety is rampant in American youth culture today. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I hear this. You know my child has test anxiety.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to pass a written exam on the United

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<v Speaker 3>States Constitution in the eighth grade in order to go

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<v Speaker 3>to high school. I mean, talk about test anxiety. Today's

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<v Speaker 3>kids don't understand what test anxiety is. You know, anything

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<v Speaker 3>that provokes a little distress is suddenly a reason to

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<v Speaker 3>go to a therapist. It's it's absurd.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, think of distress parents as a vaccine. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a. I think it's an analogy that

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<v Speaker 1>works for me. And in any event, all right, let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go on. Let me let me summarize some calls

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<v Speaker 1>and callers. Please forgive me. I'll try to get to somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>get more done if I do this. So let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron in Los Angeles makes it, I think a very

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<v Speaker 1>important point in such a wealthy society that people find

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<v Speaker 1>it harder to say no to kids they already have

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Any thoughts on the affluent society.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's but it's not just affluence. Dennis, it's what

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<v Speaker 3>you raised earlier, and that is that today's parents, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>number one, they want relationship with their children. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>another way of looking at this is that they have

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<v Speaker 3>no long term vision. It's very interesting when I ask

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<v Speaker 3>parents to write down ten word and phrase description of

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<v Speaker 3>the adult they want their child to be when their

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<v Speaker 3>child is thirty years old. They always write down things

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<v Speaker 3>like emotionally resilient, compassionate, responsible, you know, good sense of

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<v Speaker 3>work essays, et cetera, et cetera. But when I ask,

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<v Speaker 3>what have you done specifically purposefully in the last week

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<v Speaker 3>to promote anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, I want to hear that this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is awesome. John Rosemond, my guest, back in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have John rosemand on for all three hours

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<v Speaker 1>and then do it again tomorrow and then the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>The only problem is he's going to send me a bill.

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<v Speaker 3>I would not do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, good, I'm glad you. No, no, no, that

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<v Speaker 1>was important that I would love it too. John Rosemond,

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<v Speaker 1>his books should all be read, and his video is

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<v Speaker 1>up this week, and of course obviously forever at the

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<v Speaker 1>pre university dot com and it's already past the million

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<v Speaker 1>and a half years. And I believe it's a moral

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<v Speaker 1>obligation for people to have people raising children. See it, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>you have this brilliant thing that you were just saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost everything you say is so sharply focused. So you

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<v Speaker 1>ask parents, why would you like your child to be

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<v Speaker 1>at thirty? And then you ask them, so, what have

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<v Speaker 1>you done this week in order to foster that? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that correct? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to illustrate to them that intuitively, they really

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<v Speaker 3>do want to raise their children according to what we

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<v Speaker 3>are told, what God tells us in Deuteronomy chapter six,

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<v Speaker 3>Versus six and seven, to paraphrase, that it's all about

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<v Speaker 3>your child's character. I tell parents all the time, Dennis.

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<v Speaker 3>God does not care what your child's grades are in school.

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<v Speaker 3>God does not care how many trophies your child wins

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<v Speaker 3>on the athletic field, care what college your child goes to.

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<v Speaker 3>God wants you to raise children who love him, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is all about character. And I tell people, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there are two two pressing obligations, and the raising of

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<v Speaker 3>a child. One is to honor God and the others,

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<v Speaker 3>to make America a better place. And so as part

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<v Speaker 3>of this, this whole diatribe that I do, this whole exercise,

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<v Speaker 3>I have people write down a ten word and phrase

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<v Speaker 3>description of the adult they want their child to be

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<v Speaker 3>when their child is thirty. And interestingly enough, every descriptor

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<v Speaker 3>is a descriptor of character. Nobody puts in there. I

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<v Speaker 3>want my child to be the governor of California.

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<v Speaker 1>Or brilliant nobody, or even brilliant, or.

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<v Speaker 3>Even brilliant, nobody puts that down. It's all character. And

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<v Speaker 3>I say, okay, now now that you understand what your

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<v Speaker 3>job is, and you understand that, you intuitively know what

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<v Speaker 3>your job is, visa this exercise. Write down something. I

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<v Speaker 3>give you five minutes. Tell me one thing you have

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<v Speaker 3>done purposefully intentionally to promote any of these character values

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<v Speaker 3>in the last week.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we got to leave it at that. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, That's exactly right. See his video, Go to

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<v Speaker 1>his website. It's at Dennisprager dot com. You see his website,

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<v Speaker 1>read his books. I give you a big hug, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big thank you, thank you, so much. Please

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<v Speaker 1>see the video and give your child vitamin.

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<v Speaker 2>End tomorrow on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager.

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<v Speaker 1>The missing tile syndrome is when we focus on the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing we don't have. No matter how much you have,

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<v Speaker 1>you focus on what is missing. I do too. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, it's not when I say you, I am

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<v Speaker 1>a member of this group of humanity if folks, if

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have these issues, I couldn't have written my book.

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<v Speaker 1>That book was as much about me as it is

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<v Speaker 1>about you. The only difference is I've thought it through

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<v Speaker 1>and I have tried to put these principles into practice,

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<v Speaker 1>and they work.

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