1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seegers, and 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will tackle this intriguing question can 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: freedom survive if we forget where it came from? In 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: other words, can freedom exist without God? Yeah? That is 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: a great question for the dinner table as we continue 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: our timely conversation with Oz againnest one of the world's 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: foremost voices on faith and freedom. Today we will dig 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: beneath the surface to discover the true origin of liberty. 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: The foundation of freedom isn't found in a constitution, a government, 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: or a political philosophy. Nope, it begins in Genesis, where 13 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: a free God created humanity male and female in his 14 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: image to be free. That revolutionary truth changed the course 15 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: of human history, and it's the very foundation our children 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: must understand if they're going to preserve freedom for generations 17 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: to come. That's the ground we will cover on this 18 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: episode of Christian Parent Crazy World. So today we are 19 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: wrapping up our best of series with a great Oz Guinnis. 20 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: If you missed last week's episode, please go back and 21 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: give it a listen. Trust me, you will be glad 22 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: that you did. Oz is truly a gift to the Church, 23 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: to America, and to freedom loving people everywhere. He holds 24 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: a doctorate in philosophy from Oxford University and is the 25 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: author or editor of more than thirty books, including The 26 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: Magna Carta of Humanity, Sini's Revolutionary Faith, and the Future 27 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: of Freedom, the remarkable book that has shaped this conversation. 28 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: As I've shared before, outside of the Bible, it is 29 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: one of the most important books I have ever read. 30 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: If you want to understand where America is today and 31 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: where we're headed, I cannot recommend this book highly enough. 32 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: You guys, I love today's conversation because it brings everything together. 33 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: We explore how human dignity, equality, and freedom all begain 34 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: with one revolutionary truth found in Genesis, that is that 35 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: every person is created in the image of God. We 36 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: also talk about why the West is in decline and 37 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: what it will take to turn things around. And here's 38 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: the very encouraging part, Moms and day. God has given 39 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: us as parents a vital role to play as we 40 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: faithfully pass the truth of His word on to the 41 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: next generation. We're not just shaping our children, we're helping 42 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: preserve the very foundations of freedom. So with that lofty 43 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: goal in mind, let's jump right in. 44 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Christian Parent Crazy World. 45 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: Ez. 46 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 2: It is one of the great honors of my life 47 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 2: having this conversation with you. 48 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 4: Oh, my pleasure to be back with you, Catherine. Thank you. 49 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: So in the last episode we covered a lot of ground. 50 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: We were really discussing the state of the Union, which is. 51 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: Really the state of the world and the place where 52 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: our children and our grandchildren live. And as parents and grandparents, 53 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: we must understand the underlying ideologies in play in our 54 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: world today and where they're heading. But I would venture 55 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: to say that no one in the world is better 56 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: qualified to guide us in this conversation than you are. 57 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: And today we're going to talk about the origin of freedom, 58 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: a topic that you discuss at length and your book 59 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: The Magne Carta of Humanity, Sinie, Revolutionary Faith and the 60 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: Future of Freedom. So I know that my audience is 61 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: predominantly American, probably explain for us just very quickly what 62 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 1: is the significance of the Magna Carta in history, because 63 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: we focus more in US history, and I know I 64 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: covered it and I've covered it with my kids, actually 65 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: did a little puppet show. 66 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: For them on the magnet Carta years ago. But explain 67 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: for us the significance of the Magnaicarta in history. 68 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 4: Well, historically, Magne Carta is iconic because it was the 69 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 4: first great stand on behalf of freedom and human rights 70 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 4: and the limits of the abuse of power in England 71 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 4: through the King, and so Magne Carta is iconic. But 72 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 4: I would argue that Exodus and all the truths it 73 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: contains is far bigger than Magna Carta. It's the Magna 74 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: Carta for humanity. It truly is the master narrative of 75 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: freedom and a sustain critique of the potential of the 76 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 4: abuse of power. Now that's important because as we look 77 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: around the world, the alternative to the West and the 78 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: West is in decline other rising autocracies China, Russia, Iran, 79 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: North Korea and the like, in other words, authoritarianism. So 80 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 4: we need to have a strong, robust counter to that 81 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: through a strong view of freedom. And that's what's missing 82 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 4: in the West today. That's why it's important. 83 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: And we find that through the inception of the Hebrew 84 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: Republic and the Old Testament, and then that it actually 85 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: goes back to the Genesis decoration. I would like to 86 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: read this section on page seventy eight of your book. 87 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: I loved this. This was so beautiful. 88 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: By the way, I was listening to this book on 89 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: tape or the audio version while I was reading it. 90 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: I love hearing your voice this, it's so beautiful. But 91 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: you said in this is phage seventy eight on the 92 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: Genesis declaration. The Genesis Declaration is brief but stunning. It 93 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 2: changes the status of humanity forever. It flashes across the 94 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: darkness of history like the first rays of dawn and 95 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: lights up humanity and the human story and its warm 96 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: and brilliant light. No wonder that the Genesis declaration that 97 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: humans are made in the image of God is a 98 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: foundation stone of the Magna carta of humanity. Then you 99 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: go on to say this, this so blessed me. You say, 100 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: the central thrust of the story is about the power 101 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: of God free the powerless from captivity and oppression. A 102 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: free God frees his people to worship him freely and 103 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: to build a free society worthy of that freedom and 104 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: theirs Why Because God himself is sovereign and free, and 105 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: he has made humans in His image to be significant, 106 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: and so for His people created in His image, activity 107 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: and oppression should never have been The world should be 108 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: otherwise evil and justice and oppression are never to be 109 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: taken as normal, inevitable, or final. They are always to 110 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: be fought. 111 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Humans are to be free as the image bearers of God, 112 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: who is free. The Genesis declaration that humans are made 113 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: in the image. 114 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: Of God and the likeness of God is the clearest, strongest, 115 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: and most influential statement of priceless value of the individual 116 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: human being in human history. End quote. 117 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: Sorry, I know it was a long section, but that 118 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: was so mind blowing and altering. 119 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: I wrote in my book Mike Drop after this, please 120 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: speak to us about the importance of what God has 121 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: done for us as human beings. And this Genesis declaration, 122 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: which is the great charter of humanity. 123 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 4: Well, you can tell you love that. I love that 124 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 4: idea too. 125 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: Love it. 126 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 4: You think of the American Declaration of Independence, you could 127 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: probably the. 128 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: Whole thing, portions, not quite all of Itratherson. 129 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: We take these truths to be self evident, But of 130 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: course those truths were not self evident except to people 131 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: who knew the Bible. Because it's the only place where 132 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 4: you have that high view of humanity. The regardless of 133 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 4: physical handicaps, regardless of education, regardless of wealth, regardless of anything, 134 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 4: every single human being has a worth and a dignity 135 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 4: because made in the image and likeness of God. Now 136 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: that's incredibly important today because we're not only in a 137 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 4: post truth society with postmodernism, we're in a post rights society. 138 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: And the Universal Declaration used to be considered the Bible 139 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: of humanity for the second of people, but actually it's 140 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 4: now considered west Stone or something like that, or white 141 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: because you know, Charles Malick, who wrote those words, was 142 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: a Christian, and without the biblical foundation, it simply isn't 143 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: true humans have no innate worth if they're not made 144 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 4: in the image and likeness of God. Were animals and 145 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: you can see we're highly disposable and so on. And 146 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 4: it's the great dictators of the twentieth century who not 147 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 4: only hated God, they hated in effect the image bearers 148 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 4: of God and destroyed them with all the mass murders. 149 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: So this is an incredibly important truth. So my view 150 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 4: is we're not only defending the best of the past, 151 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: the Bible, American Revolution and so on, we're actually doing 152 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 4: that and looking forward to the future. So it's the 153 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 4: once and future significance of this that's important. So say 154 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 4: the West to class, well, we've got to unite with 155 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:08,239 Speaker 4: the global church in standing for a better way and humanly, 156 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: the heart of it stems from the fact that we're 157 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 4: made in the image and likeness of God. Human dignity 158 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 4: that is the cornerstone of everything. Now, the Old Testament 159 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 4: has a whole series of truths human dignity, truth words, freedom, justice, covenant, peace, 160 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 4: you're go on down the line. These are the great 161 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 4: foundational truths which matter not just for a free republic 162 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: like America, but for the future of humanity. So I 163 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 4: think we should be exploring these things as Christians because 164 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: they are the once and the future key to a 165 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 4: good way of living. 166 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 2: And the seeds defining them are in our holy book, 167 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: aren't they. 168 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: They take the Bible of some sort of holy book 169 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 4: that's religious. It is a sacred book. It's the only 170 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 4: book that shared by two faiths, Jews and Christians together, 171 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 4: but it's very practical and gives us the best politics, 172 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: the best way of knowing the Lord. 173 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: Amen to that. I love the SmackDown that you gave 174 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: to Jefferson in. 175 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 4: That was awesome, claiming Jefferson, I'm not trying to smack 176 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,359 Speaker 4: him down. 177 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: Yes, because he said that it was written in the 178 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: Book of Fate that these people, that the slaves would 179 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: be free. That's where you gave him a little bit 180 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: of a SmackDown there. I thought, oh, no, no, no, 181 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: the declaration. There was obviously the declaration he said one thing, 182 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: But then of course he was a slave owner. And 183 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: then you you bring up the fact that William Wilberforce 184 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: tried to have to get Jefferson to come on board 185 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: with the idea of freeing the slaves, and then you know, 186 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: there was this dichotomy with him. And then he said 187 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: that nothing is more certainly written in the Book of 188 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: Faith that these people shall be free. 189 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: And then you said, written in the book of Fate. 190 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: Fate has never freed anyone, and never will free anyone. 191 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: Fate is antithetical to freedom. Freedom has everything to do 192 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: with faith, not fate. Slavery is the norm in history, 193 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: and abolition is the exception. And of course what we 194 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: find in Exodus is that God comes down, he frees 195 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: these people who have been in bondage for four hundred years. 196 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: He brings them out into the desert, and unlike bad 197 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: King John in twelve fifteen with the Magna Carta, where 198 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: he was his hand was forced right, he was forced 199 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: by his people to sign that document. God comes down 200 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: and freely offers this agreement with the people who had 201 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: nothing to bargain with. 202 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: What I mean, they had nothing to give. 203 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: They were former slaves, that the only thing they had 204 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: was the plunder that God allowed them. 205 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: To take out of Egypt. So speak to the significance 206 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: of what God did at Sinai, with the inception of 207 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: the Hebrew nation, the creation of this republic, and under 208 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: the consent of the governed, that he would give them 209 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: that kind of government which has never existed before in 210 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: human history. And then was the impetus for the Reformation. 211 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: And then following that are our great revolution in seventeen 212 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: seventy six. 213 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 4: Well, you know, if you think of Exodus, and I 214 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: mentioned the Master Narrative of Freedom, you think of a 215 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 4: film under ten Commandments. You know you're Brenner Charleston Heston. 216 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 4: Yes it will go. People only think of the Exodus. 217 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 4: But the book as a whole has three major parts. 218 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 4: The first part is Exodus, liberation, freedom from and you 219 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 4: have to start there. But the second part is Sinai 220 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: and the Covenant, an ordered freedom, freedom and understanding of 221 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: how they were to live together. And the third part 222 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: is the making of the tabernacle. So the Lord doesn't 223 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: just say let my people go. He says, let my 224 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 4: people go that they may worship me, or the alternative 225 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 4: is that they may serve me. You remember Bob Dylan's 226 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: song serve a Master, and that was the libertarian idea 227 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 4: that we can all be autonomous totally is rubbish. Everybody 228 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 4: serves someone or something. So you have these three movements 229 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: in the book of Exodus. Freed from yes Pharaoh, the 230 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: ordered freedom of how to live freely together, but then 231 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: the making of the tabernacle. They need to go on 232 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: worshiping the Lord daily, serving him daily. We all live 233 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: under someone. Under God is so important. So we need 234 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: to have all three parts of Exodus together. 235 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: That is so good. 236 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: I love what you said on page twenty five. Exodus 237 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: shows us nothing less than the DNA of ordered human freedom. 238 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: We need to understand where freedom comes from, how we 239 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: can maintain it, because obviously we've accomplished freedom but can 240 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: we sustain freedom. I've heard you speak to that before. 241 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: Sustaining freedom is not the same thing as obtaining freedom, 242 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: is it. 243 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 4: No? No, the Framers understood this wonderfully world. You can 244 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 4: win freedom. That's one thing the revolution did that they 245 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 4: won it have to order freedom, and they did that too. 246 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: That's the brilliance of the Constitution. But the really challenging 247 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 4: task is the third one, sustaining it, and that takes forever. 248 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: As you quoted Franklin earlier, a republic if you can 249 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: keep it. That's where my goal and trigon comes in. 250 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 4: And I love the fact that the Framers said different 251 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: views of faith and different views of religious freedom, one 252 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 4: thing they all agreed on, as far as I can 253 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 4: find out, is the idea of sustaining freedom. Freedom requires virtue. 254 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 4: Virtue requires faith, and faith requires freedom, which requires virtue 255 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: and so on. And like recycling triangle, it goes round 256 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 4: and round and around. But the trouble is today every 257 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: one of those three legs of the triangle is under assault. 258 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: Americans have lost the way to sustain freedom, so the 259 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 4: republic will have to decline unless that's reversed. What are the. 260 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: Best things that we can do then as parents, as 261 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: citizens of this nation, that we've been given this faith. 262 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: And one thing you talk about in the book I 263 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: Love is that there's this idea out there that somehow 264 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: this ordered freedom kind of evolved from the French Enlightenment. 265 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: That's not where it came from. They went back to 266 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 2: the scriptures, to the Hebrew Republic, and they were You 267 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: talked about how many of the leaders back then in 268 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: the seventeenth century or the great thinkers, were kind of 269 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: obsessed with this right. They were obsessed with this idea 270 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: of what had been created here, because there's not another 271 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: instance in history where that that occurred. Again until are 272 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: those the only instances in history, like the Hebrew Republic, 273 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 2: and then again when the English tried to do that 274 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: in their revolution and then the American Revolution. 275 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 4: The Swiss oh okay, the Swiss Republic is a covenantal 276 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: or republic too. The big three, the Jews, the Swiss, 277 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 4: and the Americans. The English one failed mentioned parents. Yes, 278 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 4: important because you know, again I mentioned later in the book, 279 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 4: the rabbis point out, what did Moses talk about the 280 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 4: night of the Passover four hundred? Ideas tonight they going free? 281 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: He never mentions freedom they're on their way to the 282 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: Promised Land, the land of milk and honey. He never 283 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 4: mentions it. What does Moses talk about three times the 284 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 4: Night of the Passover? Moses talks about children because the 285 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 4: stories parents tell to their children are the key to 286 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 4: identity and the key to continuity. The stories we tell 287 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 4: to our children. That's why the public school crisis is 288 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 4: so important. The public schools used to pass on the 289 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 4: American Union. He played with unum collapsed and you have 290 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: how it's in and basically the sixteen nineteen project. So 291 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 4: homeschooling has done an incredibly good thing because it's the 292 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 4: stories parents tell to their own children that are so 293 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 4: significant for the passing on of the republic, as well 294 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 4: as family values and so on. 295 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 2: One of my favorite portions of Scriptures Deuteronomy eleven eighteen 296 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: through twenty one. Fix these words of mine and your 297 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: hearts and minds. Tie them as symbols on your hands, 298 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: bind them on your foreheads, teach them to your children, 299 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: talking about them as you sit at home, and as 300 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: you walk along the road, as you lie down, and 301 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: as you get up. Write them on the doorframes of 302 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: your houses. And I've got a psalm ninety written over 303 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: the doorframe of my house and on your gate, so 304 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 2: that your days and the days of your children may 305 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: be many in the land that the Lord swore to 306 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: give to your ancestors, as many as the days that 307 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: the heavens are above the earth. Fix these words of 308 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 2: mine in your hearts. So as parents, that's our imperative, 309 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: is to fix the words of God, to plant them 310 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: as seeds into the hearts and minds of our children, 311 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: and to understand, as you have helped me to understand 312 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 2: more than perhaps anyone, is that freedom comes from our God, 313 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: who is free and sovereign, and he declares that we 314 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: are free, and we are made in his image, and 315 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: the government that he instituted. They're in exodus with these 316 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: people that had nothing but the clothes on their backs 317 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: and the plunder they took out of Egypt. That he 318 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: gave them this representation, He gave them this freedom. But 319 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 2: as you say in your book, what is the greatest 320 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: enemy of freedom? 321 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 4: Freedom? 322 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: Freedom? 323 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: Hey friends, it's Catherine here. If you're trying to be 324 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: a godly parent in this wild and wacky world, you 325 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: need all the help you can get, and I've got 326 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: you covered. When you subscribe to my website. You'll get 327 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: instant access to tons of free resources made just for 328 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: Christian parents. 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Now, 347 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 4: that's the key. They could be scattered across the world 348 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 4: as they were persecuted viciously, as they were the victims 349 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 4: of genocide, as they were what helped them to survive 350 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 4: was their education through families of children. That's so important 351 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: that I love champions of homeschooling like Sam Sorbo and others, 352 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 4: and at this point is so important and needs to 353 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 4: be gone across. Because you mentioned earlier people going to 354 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 4: colleges and coming back losing their faith. I think some 355 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 4: people do well in going to good colleges, but they 356 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: need to be kept ahead of the game. Now was 357 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 4: warned and trained and prepared. This is what you're going 358 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 4: to face, and here's the answer before you get there, 359 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 4: because it's when they're unprepared that they're knocked out. But 360 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 4: homeschooling is incredibly important, and those who start with good, 361 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 4: solid home schooling really have the best foundation of all. 362 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 4: I was talking to a senator some years ago and 363 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 4: he said, you know, in my stuff, the only difference 364 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: between the homeschoolers and the Harvard graduates is that the 365 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 4: Harvard people know it. The homeschoolers are just as good 366 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 4: with the arrogance. It goes along with hobbit and so on. 367 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: Yes, we can instill that virtue, that virtue of humility 368 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: which you talk about. It's freedom virtue, faith that instilling 369 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: those virtues are so critically important in our kids. You know, 370 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: I love the conclusion of your introduction. I think it's 371 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: so often we feel like there's nothing that we can do. 372 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: I know that my audience is filled with really busy 373 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: parents who are worried about paying bills and getting food 374 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: on the table. Solving the freedom crisis in our community, 375 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: sometimes con seeing a very lofty but unattainable goal. But 376 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: you speak to that saying so beautiful in page twenty seven. 377 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: Only the few, not the many, are ever open to listening. 378 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: But it is only the few and not the many, 379 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: who will make the difference that will count in the end. 380 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: Let there be a fair and wise consideration of a 381 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 2: vision that is truly nothing short of the Magna Carta 382 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: of humanity. Humanity and our children's children deserve no less 383 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 2: end quote. I think that's quite a charge to us 384 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 2: as parents, and an encouragement to us as parents that 385 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: it is the few, not the many, who ever really 386 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: fulfill the call. But it's also the few and not 387 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 2: the many, who make the difference, Right. 388 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 4: Katrin, you know one thing I'm saying in another book 389 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 4: I've just written. We're in a civilizational moment. Every civilization 390 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 4: reaches the point it's inspired by something, but it loses 391 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 4: touch with this inspiration. When that happens. There are only 392 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 4: three broad choices renewal, replacement, or decline. But here's the point. 393 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 4: Historians like Donald Toynbee and Peter and Broke in the 394 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 4: Great Historians of Civilization, they all point out that what 395 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 4: is key in a civilizational moment or a moment of 396 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 4: crisis that we are in now is the creative minority. 397 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 4: It is the few. It is the positive remnant, the 398 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 4: people who are faithful. And that's why we should be encouraged. 399 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 4: We're called to be salt and light. We are the few, 400 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 4: we are the creative minority. We've got to be that 401 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: with courage and confidence and know that under the Lord, 402 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 4: it will make a difference. 403 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: Amen to that. Thank you so so much, And just 404 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: in the closing moments, I just want to tell you, 405 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: obviously you have contributed so greatly to so many and 406 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: helping us to understand history and theology and culture and 407 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: worldview and philosophy. But as I was sitting I was 408 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: worshiping on Sunday this week at church, I realized that 409 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: I was worshiping a God that I understand more than 410 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: I did before. And because I understand who he is 411 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: more the magnitude of who he is and what he 412 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: did for me and for all of us, with the 413 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: Genesis declaration that were made in his image, and then 414 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: what he established in ordering freedom, I worship him with 415 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: a greater understanding of who he is and who I am. 416 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: Because of your work. 417 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 4: Well, I owe a lot of that to Francis Schaeffer. 418 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 4: M You know, he is not the greatest preacher I've 419 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 4: ever heard, but almost every sermon his voice would break. 420 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 4: He was overcome with awe at the truth and the 421 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 4: majesty of what he was saying about the Lord. And 422 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 4: I love that, I mean, And there was too many 423 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 4: people these are just bad truths or remote doctrines. No, 424 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 4: these things should stir us deeply. The one the difference 425 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 4: of who the Lord is. It's amazing. I'll never forget 426 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 4: when I was studying under a guru and I knew 427 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 4: its challenging to really see the differences between Hinduism, which 428 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 4: is very profound, and the Christian faiths. And someone told me, 429 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 4: Shaeffer told me, if my little boat was being swamped, 430 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 4: get out. But suddenly I saw the incredible difference between 431 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: the Lord and all the gods of Hinduism with all 432 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 4: their philosophy, and I was just overcome with gratitude and wonder, 433 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 4: love and praise. So who the Lord is should always 434 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 4: move us deeply in that way, as well as inspiring us, 435 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 4: you know, apologetically and politically and so on. But it 436 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 4: all goes. 437 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 3: Back to worship, h worship, and I believe, I know 438 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: that you've helped me to do that in a more 439 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 3: sincere and enlightened way, just because I understand who God 440 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: is more so. 441 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you your treasure to the Christian community. 442 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: And I'm so grateful to have had this time with 443 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: you to enlighten my audience. And I encourage my audience 444 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: to go and get all of your books. I'm collecting 445 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 2: them and working my way through them. I must say 446 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: that your work, it's some books you can just burn through. Yours. 447 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: I have to sit and savor. I have to sit 448 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: and schee on it and savor it. I gave the 449 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: Magna cart of Humanity and my dad last Christmas, and 450 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: I came back and he's a voracious reader, incredible library, 451 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: and like eight months later, nine months later, it's still 452 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: on the coffee table. 453 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, Dad, you're not done with it yet, and 454 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 2: he's like, no, not this book. 455 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: This book has to be savor you just go at 456 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: it a take the scenic er out. 457 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: This is how I would put it. I would put 458 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: in with most of your works. I like to take 459 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: the scenic rout. 460 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate that. I than sure to be with you, 461 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 4: Catherine Godlet. 462 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: Thank you Oz. It's a true honor to have met 463 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: you and to have had you on our show. 464 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 3: Thank you, God blessed, Thank you. 465 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: You can learn more about Oz at oz gi dot 466 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: com and pick up a copy of The Magna Carta 467 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: of Humanity wherever books are sold. I also have those 468 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: links for you in the show notes at Life Audio 469 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: and on my website at Katherine Seekers dot com. So 470 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: what truly changes the course of history, Moms and dads, 471 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: It's the stories that we tell our children. It's the 472 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: truth that we plant in their hearts. It's the faith 473 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: they see faithfully lived out in our homes day after day, 474 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: ordinary parents faithfully introducing their children to an extraordinary God. 475 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: That is how generations are transformed. Never ever underestimate the 476 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: significance of your calling as a parent, Moms and dads. 477 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: The conversations around your dinner table, the prayers whispered over 478 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: your sleeping children, the scriptures you open together, the example 479 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: you said when no one else is watching. These are 480 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: the things God uses to shape not only your children, 481 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: but the future of families, of churches, of communities, and 482 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: even of nations. That's why the family has been under 483 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: such relentless attack. The enemy knows that if he can 484 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: weaken the home, he can weaken the next generation. So 485 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: strengthen that foundation of your family. Build your home on 486 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: the unchanging truth of God's word. Pray boldly for your 487 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: children that they will become faithful ambassadors for Christ, shining 488 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: his light into a world that desperately needs Jesus and 489 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: the freedom he brings. And as always, remember God gave 490 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: you your kids, your specific kids for a reason. That's 491 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: because you hold the key to unlocking God created them 492 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: to be. 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